Secular Acts Of Faith | Russell Brand & Elif Shafak
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- čas přidán 19. 08. 2019
- A clip from the upcoming Under The Skin podcast with novelist Elif Shafak.
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Russel actually lets his guests speak out and not cut in everytime something jumps his mind. Very refreshing, i guess his meditating is really having an effect
1nf3ct3dTT ... I think he’s responsive to the guests energy no? And Elif has a very calming and focused presence. He mirrors well I think.
@@lifevocabulary from what i remember he also did that for other very calm speaking guests. I feel like that changed recently with his last videos
He did say at the very beginning of the interview he knows nothing about the subject so he was learning along with us.
He does now, not so much when he started out...but it's good he had the self awareness to notice it and changed his ways
That is a very good point.... he does let them speak and that is one of the great aspects of his podcasts
As a Turkish woman ,I was so happy to see one of my favorite author and Russell sitting and having a beautiful conversation . After watching this video I know I will be reaching out one of Elif Safak’s books to read tonight even though I already read all of them at least twice.
Couldnt agree more. To summarize i think shes saying that NOBODY knows it all and EVERYONE needs to know that
exactly. that is precisely what most religions are NOT saying.
maybe there is life after death. maybe there is not. maybe there is a god. maybe there is not. maybe we are not supposed to worry or think about that.
how can it be about the journey if the destination is known?
Glad it's not just me
@@NC700_68 Im not tryna tell you wat to blv but im 100% certain that there is a god and that there is life after death. I jus dont completely understand the details
"EVERYONE needs to know that" is the problem because EVERYONE thinks they know and the crap continues for ever ..
great, let's relativise everything then ^^ ... bro this is nothing new, liberal ideologues been saying his for a long time and it always sounded ridiculous. She's just another liberal using flowery language of romantics and self proclaimed title of interpreter of sufi tradition.
I believe in seeking knowledge from all beliefs. I am always on a journey to learn more, and I know I will never get all the answers, but I think the search is what is important anyway.
Well said I am on the same page *: )*
Well Said' Mr Darkness Sir, Same Journey' Many Different Paths.' Yeah ?
That is the best way to do it. Keep an open mind, you'll be amazed at what you'll experience.
@Daniel Barnes I believe in a lot of things. I just dont judge people that dont believe like I do.
@Daniel Barnes Agree to disagree I suppose. You have a nice day too Mr. Barnes.
Brilliant woman. Bertrand Russell: "What people want is certainty, not knowledge." Also, she is correct to embrace mystery. We don't finally KNOW what is true or real in many contexts.
Elif Shafak's 40 rules of love changed my life. Finally it all boils to down to knowing intuitively that we are part of love. We are the products of universe' s love of itself. This is everything from Hinduism to Islamic Mysticism says.
She has beautifully articulated how I feel and how I've questioned and how I've thought about my relation with a higher power. I've never been comfortable calling myself an atheist or attaching myself to a particular religion. I've tried to express my sense of spirituality as an agnostic too but now I understand my pull towards mysticism within philosophy
Mystics would totally break bread together, I know because I gather around a table every Friday with mystics from many major religions (and myself as a “I believe in my own existence as the truest religion)...it’s a lovely time every time.
Oh, the way you get one of these groups that are fun and insightful...sharing the very beautiful nature of humans...talk to strangers who look different than you and look to learn and enjoy their company...new life with ancient compassion seems to just jump outta the wood work :)
Russel and Elif, thank you for bringing such wonderful philosophy and language to my ears. Now I can continue on my journey more confidently in my own caravan of love!
I bloody hope the full video is uploaded. This was amazing.
Beautifully articulated message. Very synchronous
so let's relativise everything is now a beautiful message because she overused the word love that she doesn't even know the meaning of? great ^^
Faith without doubt is dogma. Three cheers.
Belief without doubt is dogma..faith is usually spiritually influenced.
Brilliant interview 👏👏
Elif says so eloquently what I feel is truth. Her comment about mystics of different traditions breaking bread together is the most profound with evidence to back it up. The Dalai Lama has said that one of his most influential spiritual mentors was the Catholic Monk, Thomas Merton. Two spiritual men at the very boundaries of enlightenment.
Actions become dogmatic when we stop at the action and not the spirit behind it. The five times pray that Muslims engage in is a form of meditation and the ablution that is the preparation for it is a truly spiritual act when done with the spirit which is behind it. Al Ghazali, Rumi, and Ibn Arabi open the door to contemplation and the spiritual path that has led many to embrace Islam as a religion of peace. May God provide you with further openings Russel for engaging people in thought beyond themselves !
I can so relate to Elif. As a former catholic then atheist to now a very flexible agnostic. What she says about organised religions is so true. Dogmas are not helpful and so narrow in their view. Basically we all do not know and that is the position I take. Super video as always.
When someone is counting gold for you, don't look at the gold or the hands...look at the giver.
*Rumi*
As a young Turkish woman, I loved listening to Elif, a lovely Turkish woman! She is great:)
Sende terörist seviciliği var
More people, WOMEN AND MEN, of ALL nations, ethnicities and ALL spiritual directions, wrong word perhaps , I mean to include atheists, fence, sitters like myself ( like Elif I am, a spiritual person who tries to be good, via the tenets of Tibetan Buddhism). Last night I was reading from the FLEA PALACE, laughing and then near sobbing- I am in Canada and if I had any say in high school cirriculum I'd include more books by Indigenous women ( my country's shame) and ALL of her books. I'd put an ELIF SHAFAK channel just to hear her soothing, elegant voice, a mellifluous broth of racial mix ! Sorry for rambling, I want to shout from the rooftops read and listen with all your being to this wise, questing woman!Namaste, Zoe I FORGOT ANYBODY OUT THERE, RUSSELL HI, DIG YOU, ELIF, WHEREVER YOU ARE, YOUNG WOMAN I REPLIED TOO, THIS ISN'T MY TABLET, my hubby's this " old bugger" The opinions expressed in this "paragraph" do not reflect our sponsors views, his loss, and I might add due to PLANNED OBSOLESCENCE, my tablet needed repairs after a scant 10 WEEKS, yep, Ralph Nader and Joni Mitchell and Yanis Vanouflakis? And Screko ? Horvat etc are right. Namaste again, keep well, don't catch that damned virus it hasn't even begun to _uck with humanity yet...
@@user-ed2bn8pq3d Ya abi bir bitin allah aşkına. Esas bizi milleti terörize eden sizsiniz ve sizin terörist seven mafya babalarını aklayan kibir abidesi liderleriniz! Şu kadından bir neler dediğini hiç adam akıllı dinlerdin mi yada kitaplarını okudun mu? Hayır nasıl bir ortamdan mahalleden çevreden geliyorsun bilmiyorum ama dünyalarımız çok farklı, hayır abi böyle Zeki bir kadın böyle tebrik edilen merak edilen bir kadını nasıl bir kaşık suda kibirle itip onu dinleyenleri terörist görebiliyorsunuz akıl almıyor!
@@yusakuzgun2824 Yusa hanim, biliyormusunuz Elif Safak Fetullah Gulenin oglu ile evli? bunun icin elife sahib cikan herkez teroristi destekler.
biliyormusunuz Elif Safak Fetullah Gulenin oglu ile evli? bunun icin elife sahib cikan herkez teroristi destekler.
Well . . . now I'm crying . . . that was such a beautiful interview. *heart the crap out that*
"Faith without doubt is a dogma." I like that.
That's very true. Equally true is "Knowing while continuing to doubt" results in experiencing pain.
LorenzoNW!
I bow down to you for realizing the distinction between "Knowing" and "Believing."
May you continue to Know the Truth within us all, my dear friend. 🙏🏾
@@iyngaranmankkaleswaran2856 ditto ;-)
@@LorenzoNW 😂🙏🏾🤗
False and very dangerous, the point of questioning is reaching truth. Dogma is the absence of that, its ideology, which is different from deen and religion removed from the heavy connotations associated with it.
Very much enjoyed this pod cast ... She made me expand my thinking a bit further and she has a calming, soothing demeanor that is very nice ...
What fantastic and beautiful words of wisdom in regards to the great mystery. much respect, bow and salute.
you know you might have a point when Russell Brand sits in silence lol
That was beautiful, I'm thankful to have come across it.
Islam is the truth
I love Elif's books and I'm happy I got to watch this interview, very cool awesome two individuals :)
Actually, Faith is NOT faith if you doubt, because the doubt negates the faith. It is something else, something empty and fruitless.
Faith without doubt, is one of the most powerful things in the world, you are turning your intension into something real, bringing the unseen into the seen. Energy to matter.
Thank you!
Wow, it's like she took the truth our hearts know and put it into words. Just brilliant.
Thank you for waking up & spreading it Mr Russell welcome to the light
Shafak is such a fantastic writer. Thank you for featuring her!
Rob Vollmar SHE IS!!! How wonderful to see this!!!!
Shafak? what? whos that?
The idea of a caravan of love fits with my core beliefs. The heart continues on and fills every space, changing while at the core it is the same. Thanks. I really enjoyed this, especially your ability to listen. That is a rare gem these days.
thank you Elif, ditto. I have always felt quite similar. peace and joy to you friend!!
Her message resonates with me, not a religious believer but a seeker of open truths that may bring me closer to universal harmony.
AHH Russell infiltrating my serenity with jangling and buzzing again.
Wow!!! That was truly amazing... I'm in awe. She said it all
Thanks again Russell. Every time I watch your videos I come away with something meaningful.
What Do You Mean by that Don ?
@@alanjudd7537 I mean that Russell's videos are helping me on my own path and that I am grateful to him.
Thanks for introducing us to all these amazing people 💖
4:30 I was once on a dinner date with some guy. He asked me, "How many paths do you think lead to 'the divine'?" I replied, "as many as there are paths leading up a mountain." Then a debate ensued. Lol. (He didn't actually use the words "the divine," but I chose to write that here instead). I think I'll love Elif Shafak. Thank you, Russell Brand.
Great video again Russell thank you 😊
Kudos for no ads Russel 👍
Is there more to come from her this was absolutely one of my favorites that you had thank you so much for doing this she speaks so much truth my heart weeps and sings simultaneously 💙💚💖
Ibn Alarabi's poem reminded me of the Prophet Muhammed pbuh when he said “The entire earth has been made a place of prayer...."
Great to see a strong agnostic, firm in her beliefs. I agree with her, that atheists who dogmatically reject the possibility of anything beyond their immediate senses are just as ludicrously insane as fanatical religious people that dogmatically reject that there just might not be any god(s).
I was religious once when I was a child until I realized how hypocritical the christian religion is and most christians are. I entered a period of time where I backlashed on that and became a stern atheist and a scientist. But then I came to realize that the scientific method itself demands that we believe in what we can prove is true and we don't disbelieve in things we cannot prove to be false. By its very nature spirituality can neither be proven true nor proven false, therefore I've become agnostic and truly believe that is the proper path in life. Like this lady, I find comfort in not knowing. Many people in the atheist or religious communities think that all agnostic people are somehow in despair because they don't know "the answer" that they falsely believe they possess. Nothing could be further from the truth, acknowledging that you don't know is a great release and a freedom to enjoy the wonderous beauty of life to the fullest rather than dwelling on dogma and antiquated belief systems.
I see things similarly.
I think you share more in common with the rational Atheist community than you realise.
As someone who once considered myself Agnostic, it was only following research that l identified myself as an Atheist, my principle position unchanged.
Atheists who have an understanding of scepticism, rationality and logic will never claim they know the answer to ANY unfalsifiable propositions: such as the extraordinary claims made by the religious or spiritual. The burden of proof always lies with the claimant and if no sufficient evidence can be provided to warrant belief, it is unreasonable to accept a claim purely on the basis of it being a possibility - l'm suspect we both agree on this point.
However, atheist's DO NOT reject the possibility of the existence of a god or the supernatural either! Atheist's simply hold the view that extraordinary claims, require extraordinary evidence and to date, in our opinion, no sufficient evidence has been provided to convince us.
You may find the find the following utube channels enlightening: Cosmic Skeptic, Rationality Rules, Matt Delahunty.
Masima, I appreciate your comment, and while you may be correct that I do share a lot in common with your beliefs, I'm going strictly off the dictionary definitions of these words. The Merriam-Webster definition of "atheist" is "a person who does not believe in the existence of a god or any gods". That is actual disbelief, which I do not hold. The definition of "agnostic" is "a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality such as god is unknown and probably unknowable, (broadly speaking) one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the non-existence of god or gods. Therefore, by definition, I fall into the agnostic category. I acknowledge that many people have definitions for words and categories that do not match the official definitions but just wanted to let you know that is how I define these terms.
Why is Christian religion hypocritical?
Blanka, sorry I should have said, the vast majority of Christians are hypocritical. It is almost impossible to find someone that claims to be a Christian that actually follows the teachings of Christ, actually far more communists I know follow the morals Christ had, even without being Christians, than do Christians. That is actually why I left the church when I was young because I realized that there wasn't a person amung my Church that was actually following what they said they believed in on Sundays.
The bottle of water, absorbing all the wisdom, seems to be very important in this conversation. It's mesmerizing!
"Organized religion is not close to my heart". I wholeheartedly agree! I do believe that we can respect all religions and see ourselves part of a collective whole, no better than a tree or an ant. But at some point we have to commit to one path in order to dive deeply into the process that it presents. It is a fine line to walk. To me, avoiding dogma while doing faith based (love based) practices is imperative to spiritual growth.
Super fantastic 'lil interview!
It appears Elif equates Knowing and certainty to having faith without doubt. In actuality, faith without doubt is the equivalent of asserting one’s faith because one doubts. All assertions are lies. On the other hand, Knowing comes from direct experience. Knowing does not require data or proof. Knowing is independent of anyone or anything.
It also appears Elif has built an identity around being a seeker. So if she was ever to find what she seeks, it would destroy her identity (ego). And despite what she says, maintaining that identity is more important to her than Knowing. I may be wrong but those are my observations from this brief interview.
Elif's views come from Rumi and similar mystics. I highly disagree with these views as a positivist. I think the contrary is true to what she is saying. Everyrthing is certain including uncertainty. Certainty comes from our senses interpreted through our mind. Truth is mystics gain toll among people who find the cure as isolating themselves from outside world hence decreasing the input. As they focus on their selves, they dont make things better they just isolate the noise. Because outside world doesnt care about your inner feelings. It exists and it sends output that you take as input through your senses. Imagine someone really composed inside.if you torture this person to such a degree tha pain becomes unbearable and it forever changes this person This would show thay your interaction with outside world matters. isolating yourself is a bad and more importantly wrong idea. We r really slaves of our biology. Unless we address our biology as well as perception of senses through our reasoning, cognition, we will never be able to grasp some realities.We cant even perceive or interpet them. From birth to adolescnece all we do is either work on our senses or cognition which help us interpeet those senses both are super useful to knowing your surroundings and its reality.
A P ....really ? that's your highest level of understanding available to you??? I bet you can think deeper than that. Unkess your limeted by your own intelegence (as we all are ...lol)
@@danfield6030 Yes, no amount of thinking she possesses in this philosophy can alter my life, however I can think of multiple ways of my philosophy of realism, senses and cognition that would make her life much more different and exciting. My philosophy wins.
One modern Christian spirituality uses the terms perception, recognition, and knowledge to describe a continuum. Perception can be wrong perception, a followiing of the ego, or right perception based on doing so with the Holy Spirit or Jesus or some other symbol of Love. Recognition introduces correction at the level of the error and is wholly without effort. Knowledge is that of knowing God.
A P No false, they don’t come from Rumi at all. They come from a secular agnostic which Rumi was the total opposite of. This is a FAlSE and very ignorant misrepresentation of Sufisim by the west.
You rock Russell ..... Elif was a great guest . Spiritual on brother . Aho
You guys make such good points that I enjoyed reading your comments as much as I did watching this video. 😊
Thanks for an enlightening exchange.
Cf: Kierkegaard 'leap of faith' for more on the secular acts of faith.
Also, I believe religions do not preclude doubt altogether, they regulate it.
Oh thanks, I am happy to see and hear her for the first time. What a wise woman. And she talks exactly how I feel too ❤️🙏.
belief is personal and best kept that way. Great interview.
Beautiful thoughts eloquently expressed
Elif is so beautiful and articulate! She is truly blessed by the creator. Thank you kindly Russell for sharing...
I'm not a religious person, but obviously know that many are, and good luck to them. I haven't got a clue who or what created the universe, just like everyone else. I take life as it comes, good, bad,or indifferent, and just try and make the best of each situation. I have my own set of morals & values, I try to do the best I can without hurting others, and when I die I guess I'll find out or not, what it's all about.
Brilliant conversation, fantastic and advanced concepts:-)
So glad he changed the title from Sufi to secular 😍 (as it should be) and brought in a real Sufi like Youssef Islam. Your a gem Russel ❤️🤍 Respect! ✊
100% this lady is so ignorant of sufi tradition. She's superimposing her own western ideologies on sufism (feminism, liberals and the rest which are all basically religions)
@@Mr.Jasaw13 exactly
I love this as it is very much the way I think and have tried for many years to explain to people .Blessings to all
"I AM a finger pointing to the moon. Don't look at me, look at the moon."
Buddha......and Bruce Lee in "Enter the Dragon"
bgoodfella7413 I just played that scene in my mind and I haven’t seen the movie since I was a kid!
bgoodfella7413 that’s also just an old saying.. I bet it wasn’t Buddha who came up with that. Buddha never came up with anything, he was a loser copy cat
@@thegoodthebadandtheugly579 Of course Buddha didn't literally say that. He didn't speak English. So who was Buddha copying then around 500 BCE? It wan't Jesus or Muhammad or Russell Brand. Buddha must have been a "copy cat" of some earlier, more ancient figure in history we never heard of huh? Maybe he was copying aliens from outer space or the Ancient Egyptians right dog?
bgoodfella7413 exactly!
@@thegoodthebadandtheugly579 I was making fun of your lack of knowledge of any historical timeline and now you think Ancient aliens put words into Buddha's mouth. SMH Idiot.
Thanks Russell. I always enjoyed your comedy and now this is too cool. I get to share in this wild spiritual journey with those I can trust. Yes it's Answered prayer, I had no idea the familiar faces would be celebrities lol.
I agree with this philosophy. Paradoxly though, the philosophy to impose ones school of thought mandatory amongst others is maybe the best way to sell it and to obtain a solid structure around that faith.
But in my opinion and of the few wise i have seen, i do think all truly wise follow the mindset of freedom of choice and individuality. All mistics do break bread together.
Maybe the difference is that mystics travel, whether it be phisically or mentaly. The arrogant do not.
Elif... If you don't know what you stand for you will fall for anything. You admit you have not put enough thought into faith? Faith is a precious gift and if you are open to all philosophies and want to know all of them intimately then read the most beautiful poetry in the world ... Romans 10:17
Faith Without Doubt Is A Paradox.
Love her ! She is a very interesting person and talented author.
luv her ring🤗..awesome topic...have a blessed day🙏💛
Like ive said. " We are all going the same place, some of us just have different ways of getting there."
I can resonate so much with Elif’s. View. Indeed. Life is full of acts of faith, and have nothing to do with ‘religion. There are natural laws that drive life on earth and we have not even started to explore this properly.
Thanks Russel for this really interesting discussion. Looking forward for your next video ;)
WOW...Elif .... I could listen to her all day. She is the feminine of you Russell 🌟
An intelligent conversation about mysticism, even mentioning Eckhart ❣️✊
I see she is correct in the assertion that the mystics of all traditions would come together at a dinner table, break bread and discuss their individual views without the rancor evoked by the dogma of world religions accepted as reality by the majority of people. BRAVO and ENCORE!! Any chance we could get her to run for Prime Minister? I think I'm in Love.
I totally agree. I'm from a Muslim family and people worry for me because I ask questions and don't agree with everything with research and back up and where did the information come from, what was his back ground who created the rules. I think people who have that balance are I 'very interesting'. Love this talk makes soo much sense to me. I'm not alone.😁
Same but i feel so lost
I'm a religious person i don't agree on many things with her.
But i really love her cleverness and interesting perspective.
Her novels reflects her thoughts beautifully.
Russeeeeel, share the full video man.
There is a 100% certainty that nothing is certain. The moment we stop questioning everything, we fail to evolve.
how uplifting and lovely...much love...
Russel, please upload the full version to youtube like most of your previous videos, i dont wont to use Luminary.....
If you believe we come from spirit, the whole point of being here is to find our individual expression of God. That's why religions are distractions from spirit they are power structures. There are rituals and teachings that can help us, but each has their own possibility and way to find a personal expression of God and to realise how God is all of us.
This is the most sensible position to hold. Both absolute certainty and total uncertainty are insanity.
Very insightful!!
Peace From London. 🙏🙏
Thank you 💚💚💚 much love
Oh I love her book...40 rules of love 🤩
I'm an iranian agnostic mystic and I love molana and also elif shafak's works
very , very good point its no ones place to take the hope of faith from anyone , if they believe in something or not why ruin someones comfort if that helps , this goes for ( in me ) alot of things that helps people get by ........ as long as its not hurting anyone its all good
He gets some of the most interesting guests.
wow i'm closer to elif shafak than even I thought … very introspective and personal insights about the mystical path … i'm never quite sure how I feel when mysticism gets shed too much light because then it also is in danger of becoming commoditised (that Gaia stuff on CZcams for example)… but it is beautiful that more people will be exposed to this way … thanks again Russel
Hello Russell I am 23 from australia and i have always been a seeker for truth.iam a Sagittarius and i have lost two family members last year which was the birth of my spiritually growing up my parents hated each other and never went to church I learnt now that hate is poison.
I liked this very much , I love the way Russell listens intently I want to do that too.
My friends call me a radical centrist, and I think she’s right there with me. I really liked what she had to say.
That was amazing.
Interesting talk. I love Rumi and self enquiry and trying to live a life with more acceptance, kindess and joy. Tiz nice when people make my heart smile. Didnt smile too much during this vid, but found it interesting. Think i was expecting a bit of twirling when i heard the word Sufi 💃🎶💫 Gonna treat myself to a twirl now and ponder about it all.
Thank you both xx
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Now I understand the saying "The dog barks but the caravan moves on." Thank you for this post.
Couldn't agree with her words more...fantastic message. I do think however caution should be used when exploring some areas of mysticism.
Out of interest, which areas are you referring to?
@@lollylula6399 well...:)..there are plenty to be careful with (and I mainly refer to what's loosely termed 'the occult'). There's a very strange book called the Crata Repoa. it may or may not be true. It's about the journey of initiation for ancient Egyptian priests - the original freemasons if you like . It mentions how the initiates could spend years underground in a labyrinth - until they were ready to receive their final 'secret knowledge'. Some never made it out..and the warning of the book was - only embark on this journey if you're able to finish it - otherwise it will lead to madness. Pandora's box perhaps. Icarus....
Now this could just be a story - like I say - but speaking from my own experience - when you start 'looking' for meaning etc - perhaps in shapes - impossible infinite numbers - the synchronous 'key clues' the universe can give us - sometimes - if you allow yourself to get carried away - you can end up with some crazily deep and powerful experiences that can shake you up somewhat (they can be great of course!) . I had one recently - I was shown (in a meditation vision- by who I think must have been the Goddess Isis) 'everything'. She appeared in a temple with a curious necklace (with a pyramid design,and a circle inside another circle (and 7 other smaller ones and another medium one - but I digress far too much!:)...anyway - the circle within a circle opened to reveal a blinding light. I peered in. It was so intense. A silent roar of magnesium white light - with fractured images of the earth from above - a skyscraper - shapes. I lasted about 2 seconds and pulled away. I woke out of my 'daydream' - and thought...maybe another look. I went back in - she was there - in the dark orange temple. As I approached again, I paused, and decided no. This isn't for me yet. To know all that has been, all that is, all that will ever be in one instant. Farrrr to much. And not nice either.
I know I probably sound mad - but this is all true - a vision a few days back as a result of doing quite a bit of history research into the mystics. Now I know all's cool...I won't get foolish. However - I mentioned this before in a comment, and was told by an ex-occultist that this was a demon, and I should beware.
I didn't feel malevolence - but - I felt I was being tested - and luckily I made the right choice. Others (and also easily influenced people) may not...and it may not end well.
I've known several people (including my dear brother) who went too far, and were not able to return to their sanity.
The problem with evaluating everything through the subjective ego is that entities cannot become present in a way that uncovers what they truly are. The subjective ego projects onto and into entities and limits their presence. It cannot just 'let things be' in their presencing. An example of this is the artist Cezanne. When he paints an apple it isn't a familiar object - fruit. When he paints an apple he opens up it's presencing and uncovers what we often fail to see, when we see an apple. In his art he creates a 'clearing' that is neither around transcendence or emergence, but a space for entities and humans to interact freely with each other.
Don't be too harsh when you judge others. 🙌
Russ, I have really enjoyed our many interactions and I really like what this lovely woman had to say. The clock is ticking, and we might not be able to coexist any longer. ☹😔
She's an absolutely beautiful and brilliant writer.
Is there more of this interview Russell. If there is, please would you publish at some point. Thanks.
I love Elif Shafak. She is a lovely person, inside and out.
I guess we're all different, and I must say this lady does bring something to the table regarding spiritual search....but I do think that seeking is aiming to find something.at the end of the day. Otherwise we're stuck on a circular route while God is watching and waiting simply to be found.
Russell, thank you again for bringing these voices to light. The world needs more of this. You're doing good work. Keep it up, mate.
Why this conversation was too short? Is there a longer version?