The super rich, the oligarchs and the beneficiaries of the London Laundromat who short sold the pound want to stay out of the EU because they do not want to comply with the EU Tax Avoidance Directive. That’s the real reason for “taking back control” . They can continue to avoid paying UK tax in offshore tax in avoidance schemes.
Ian Dale is such a disingenuous putz. "Brexit hasn't made us poorer--we're just less well off." Femi, on the other hand, is just as brilliant and honest as ever.
Technically they're both right. Femi is right that comparatively we're worse off. Dale is saying that the economy has grown but at a slower rate. I'd suggest that factoring in inflation, Femi is far closer to the reality of the situation. In real terms people's finances have gone down
You did very well. You can tell you did your „homework“ by immediately destroying the propagandist talking points he throws at you. Thank you for standing up for the truth.
Please tell us what you know about EU fiscal union, EU economic union, EU political union, the unification of member states' armed forces at the command of the European Council, the reckless EU expansionism across Eastern Europe and the unfettered migration into the EU from North Africa and the Middle East. It shouldn't take you long.
@@NaughtyNimitzLet's deal with each one in turn. EU fiscal union (EU Five Presidents' Report 2015); EU economic union (Lisbon Treaty Article 3.4/EU Five Presidents' Report 2015/EU Rome Declaration 2017/ECB's 'Fiscal Implications of the EU Recovery Package 2020); EU political union (EU Five Presidents' Report 2015); unified armed forces under command of the European Council (Lisbon Treaty Article 42.3/ EU Global Strategy 30th June 2016/ European Council's Military Command and Control Structures document, 23rd April 2019); reckless EU expansionism across Eastern Europe has Albania North Macedonia, Serbia, Montenegro, Moldova, Ukraine, Turkey and Georgia lined up for EU accession (widely known); unfettered immigration into the EU from North Africa and the Middle East (Euro-Mediterranean Partnership, enacted in 2010). Are you seriously telling me, seven-and-a-half years after the referendum, that Remainers still don't know what they voted for? Or maybe you think the Kremlin writes the EU's own treaties, documents and declarations? Either way, Remoaners are pathetic! And not only pathetic, but dangerously ignorant. Wake up.
@@NeilCWCampbell So you don't believe them and you haven't read any of them? How do you know what's in them if you haven't read them? So you are admitting you don't know what you voted in favour of. Well, seven-and-a-half years too late, help is at hand. Here is the relevant passage of the EU Five Presidents' Report 2015: "Progress MUST HAPPEN on four fronts: first, towards a genuine ECONOMIC UNION that ensures each economy has the structural features to prosper within the Monetary Union. Second, towards a FINANCIAL UNION that guarantees the integrity of our currency across the Monetary Union and increases risk-sharing with the private sector. This means completing the Banking Union and accelerating the Capital Markets Completing Europe’s Economic and Monetary Union. Third, towards a FISCAL UNION that delivers both fiscal sustainability and fiscal stabilisation. And finally, towards a POLITICAL UNION that provides the foundation for all of the above through genuine democratic accountability, legitimacy and institutional strengthening." The EU wants economic union complete by 2027 (per Rome Declaration 2017), whilst meanwhile the EU continues to put the armed forces of its member states together under its own command (see above). Last year the EU led joint military exercises in Spain. And that's why we left. You are now 100% more educated about the European Union than you were ten minutes ago. Finally!
Excellent interview! I note Iain Dale, a Breixiteer, tried in vain to push back but did not push back on the facts of Brexit's failures. He actually listened. Almost amenable.
He can’t produce any evidence that BREXIT has brought anything but economic madness, so he can’t champion a dead duck. There’s nothing brave about that. He’s complicit in this countries collapse and he bloody knows it.
Fantastic Femi - the message about Electoral Reform needs to be hammered home, repeatedly - I don't care if people get fed up with hearing the same refrain - the solution is simple - change the (UK's) voting system and you change the way we do politics in Britain - permanently!
We had a PR vote in 2011 and people voted against it and wanted to stick with first past the post, you are asking for a change in something that people rejected at the ballot box.
The English have voted Tory for most of my life, and I'm nearly 50. Theft and death, they seem to be happy with both. Scotland has not voted Tory since the 1950s. PR would help, but wont resolve the problem of the Stockholm syndrome down south. They let thousands die deliberately, while stealing billions and refusing to feed kids for millions during a pandemic, and i keep hearing "boris isn't that bad" "i quite like Rishi".... Traitors to all of us, especially those who died at the hands of the Tory fascists, those same people that my grandad fought to protect in ww2 when they were kids, from fascists. Traitors
@goodluck-mx4qr none of the options on the ballot paper were proportional representation. The tories watered down the choices in order to 'keep the constituency link' iirc. The UK has never had a chance to vote on a true PR system.
Thank you Femi! You’re right, it is moral cowardice that no politician in the main parties will publicly support rejoining. I am a Labour member but I have zero enthusiasm to vote for them except to keep the tories out. i.e they are the least worse option. It’s a terrible situation .
@@adhiwicaksono6149 You’re repeating a very tired and completely baseless nonsense. Starmer is not the same as the Tories in any way - which is why Sunak whines about them every Wednesday in PMQs.
@@adhiwicaksono6149I really don’t think Starmer is the same as the Tories . His politics are not the same as Corbyn but he is to left of the current hard right Tory party and I believe he would be harder to corrupt . Despite my disappointment over his Brexit position, he is worth voting for.
Well done Femi. You didn’t put a foot wrong. You look so much more comfortable on a decent show where people want detail as opposed to shows where people want simplistic slogans.
Yeah, I didn't realise it would be just me an Iain. I expected I was going to have to shout over a couple of rabid Faragists. But it was actually constructive! 😍
It isn't age, I'm of a certain age and never considered Brexshit if any value, I saw it for the Tory scan that it always was. I know it IS about bigotry, stupidity and being gullible to the deceit, fraud and criminality of-the-tax-haven-protection-by Tory-crooks. FACT. As a society those Tory fraudsters MUST face criminal prosecution and lengthy prison sentences.
@@Femi_Sorry It was constructive. Still I did like your Colin from Portsmouth appearance. While great fun, it highlighted the insanity of so many "shows".
Please tell us what you know about EU fiscal union, EU economic union, EU political union, the unification of member states' armed forces at the command of the European Council, the reckless EU expansionism across Eastern Europe and the unfettered migration into the EU from North Africa and the Middle East. It shouldn't take you long.
@@SJG-nr8uj So long as you cover all the damage being done to our economy, the trade agreements that never were (US), pretty much unfettered immigration of 700,000+, businesses being faced with piles of red tape (which leavers said wouldn’t happen), prices going up and then moreso into 2024 when the UK actually implements customs borders, significant division within our country, implementation of UK CA standards which have been costly and mean nothing as no other country acknowledges them (and have now been all but abandoned), a ‘bonfire of regulations’ that also had to be abandoned, jobs and money being lost because of Brexit, a country which is now looking globally ridiculous and has lost significant diplomatic leverage, costs of Brexit running into several hundred billions of £s etc etc etc. It really wasn’t worth it just because the Tories wanted more power and couldn’t work with other countries. It has been an unmitigated disaster and the majority of the country now agrees.
@@northyorkshirechris5735The EU is heading for a federal state (= political union = one big country), and you should know this by now. Here is your homework. 1. The Lisbon Treaty (economic union/unified armed forces). 2. The EU Five Presidents' Report 2015 (fiscal union, leading to economic union, leading to political unification). 3. The European Union Global Strategy, 30th June 2016 (the right of the EU's military "to act autonomously if and when necessary"). 4. The EU Rome Declaration, 25th March 2017 (Economic union reaffirmed, with a preferred deadline of ten years for its completion, ie. by 2027). 5. The European Council's Military Command and Control Structures document, 23rd April 2019, outlining the EU's military command structure over member states' land, sea and air forces. 6. The ECB's 'Fiscal Implications of the EU Recovery Package', 2020, advocating getting economic union back on track post-pandemic. 7. Inward migration from Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, the Palestine Authority, Israel, Lebanon, Syria and Turkey as per the Euro-Mediterranean Partnership, enacted from 2010. You are excused not knowing about the latter agreement, because they kept it a secret, but the rest are all in the public domain. So why don't you know about them seven-and-a-half years after the referendum, and fifteen years after the Lisbon Treaty came into effect? You have no excuses left.
I’m shocked. A sensible grown up discussion about Brexit between two adults. Compare that with Rees Mogg and his sound engineers talking all over the contributor’s answers, cutting them short “because that’s all we have time for”, and deliberately fading down the guest mic so Rees Mogg’s voice is the more dominant. And GB News thinks it’s providing fair and impartial debates. Well done Iain Dale and LBC. And well done Femi for a fact laden (verifiable too) interview. There is hope!
@@almafrith778 yes it needs to be reformed but history shows that Labour have no intention of having pr, it was sidelined in Blair's tenure and recently Starmer has done the same AGAINST its own members.
Turns OUT it was the Right thing to do. Boris sold us OUT Committed Treason by signing a TCA.. NIP 15 months after Lisbon Treaty Article 50 TEU Expired , Ceased to Exist . Only Lawful Deal permitted on BOTH Sides was a Trade Deal on Goods . Truss Territory as Trade Sec EU BREAKS THEIR OWN RULES WHEN IT SUITS THEM .. as Boris Committed Treason Doing this, it effectively means upon signing this Deal He is NO Longer Prime Minister @ LAW. & TCA, NIP Treaty is NULL & VOID. i'm surprised NO Ones Mentioned it Before Now.
The abuse we took the European citizens for years and years from the English racist in UK its unimaginable. The damage they did to many ten of thousands
As Gert Wilders wins in HOlland, SD in Sweden, AFD in Germany, ..Italy....Le Pen.....and you think the EU has a future? Schengen is in full reverse gear
As an American I understand I have no right to weigh in on England's politics. But on a human level I have to say that your well reasoned logic, your compassion, and your calm but firm demeanor are all extremely inspiring. Well done, Femi. Cheers
I disagree, as an American you do have the right to comment for example a stronger stable Europe will be in the interests of the USA for example you have spent billions on wars over here over the decades such as in the former Yugoslavia. Also the Russians would love an unstable EU. Finally a lot of US citizens with Irish roots are concerned about the risk to peace in Ireland
The One Commodity that every single person in Britain Requires is food. Sir Winston Churchill said in 1940. That even if all the land was put under tillage Britain would still need to import food from the Empire. 70% off all the food Consumed on a daily basis is imported from the EU or through the EU. Imported food has a shorter Shelf life than before Brexit. 🇮🇪🇪🇺
Well, if Chruchill said it, it must be relevant. Just like when he said about the German rise that "We will sell them our expertise in bombing n******s".
I think this is part of the problem: the UK saw the EEC as a replacement for the Empire and then got upset when it didn't act like they thought it should.
unelected traitorous man - evil. Brexit has not made Uk poorer and the EU will def not make Uk richer. All EU ever did was take Brit's money - for no return. No to unelected foreign bureaucrats. This idiot should be deported - he is a traitor
Please tell us what you know about EU fiscal union, EU economic union, EU political union, the unification of member states' armed forces at the command of the European Council, the reckless EU expansionism across Eastern Europe and the unfettered migration into the EU from North Africa and the Middle East. It shouldn't take you long.
Well done mate, you answered about every question without pausing for breath. That shows just how well you know the subject you were talking about. Very impressive, great job.
Agreed. And Femi is the only person I know of who has successfully forced Farage to admit that lies he'd told were lies, on at least two occasions on his LBC show.
@@Femi_Sorry Here is your homework, 1. The Lisbon Treaty, 2. The EU Five Presidents' Report, 2015. 3. The European Union Global Strategy, 30th June 2016. 4. The EU Rome Declaration, 25th March 2017. 5. The European Council's Military Command and Control Structures document, 23rd April 2019. 6. The ECB's Fiscal Implications of the EU Recovery Package', 2020. Once you've read these you will know what you're talking about. Meanwhile, PR is an electoral disaster. It prevents the government doing what it was democratically elected to do.
Sussana, while our current system has it's flaws, proportional representation will be dredaful, nothing will get done at all. Don't think that if you support a minority party their policies will happen, at best it will be a bit of compromise. Minority parties are just that because few people like their policies.
@iareid8255 No. Most European countries function with coalitions. Politics is about the art of compromise. There is such a thing as the tyranny of the majority. I was part of the 48.1%. A minority. A very sizable minority. An important minority. The one that turned out to be correct. That "minority view" that "just a few" liked.
Rom, function maybe, but less effectively in my view. With majority voting policies can be effectedand if they prove wrong, that party will not be voted in and alternative policies by the incoming party. That is one of the flaws as it takes time and money to get good policies in place. With compromise all you get are watered down policies that do little but are perpetuated due to the mix of directions taken. When I refered to minories, I was talking of parties with no chance of power (because few like their policies) with whom proportional representaion is popular. There is no real right or wrong policies, as such. If party A is elected and the policies they adopt are popular with the party followers who accept the negatives for the positives they percieve from them then that is acceptable. If with time, the negatives start to out weigh the positives then you can expect support for that party to collapse and party B will be elected instead with different policies. The most efficient political system is a dictatorship but the outcome for the population entirely depends on whether the dictator acts with regard for the people's welfare and well being or not. A huge gamble and not really to be recommended.
I've never seen Iian Dale so reasonable!😮 well put Femi! Did you see tonight's question time(30 Nov/23)? A guy in the audience, who wasn't young, made the same argument as you that we should rejoin the E.U. because Brexit has harmed us, and lots of people claped him!👍
@@Femi_SorryPlease tell us what you know about EU fiscal union, EU economic union, EU political union, the unification of member states' armed forces at the command of the European Council, the reckless EU expansionism across Eastern Europe and the unfettered migration into the EU from North Africa and the Middle East. It shouldn't take you long.
I live in the EU, if it goes to a vote to let the UK rejoin it won't happen for a generation. People don't forget how the UK behaved in the EU and also how vile it was during the Leave campaign
Absolutely. The UK spat in our faces, ridiculed the EU, made all things gone bad in the UK the responsibility of the EU and raised a middle finger to us. I am part of the EU and thus all these accusations and insults were taken personally. Britain can suck it, I will do whatever I need to do (voting wise or demonstration wise) to try and hinder the return of the UK. It would even be a single issue voting point for me as well. Any party who vows to block the return of the UK into the EU will get my vote. Brexit is, in the end, the biggest gift the UK has given the EU: a departure of an island full of clowns. Good riddance!
The critical issue will be MPs fear of loosing a seat. Once Tory MPs believe flipping to support rejoining might save them - many will. Once the Tories do it, Labour MPs will be forced to join them & Starmer can't ignore it. Probably quite suddenly, a majority of MPs will call for a rejoining vote - either in the manifesto or a second referendum as part of a GE.
That’s wh😢labour aren’t SHOUTING about it. They need to get elected first. End of. They are already showing plenty of signs of alignment and negotiation if you care to look a bit harder, they’re getting ready. Watch a different bias. He’s alwa😢explaining it very well
@@kevindare3113 you know why labour councils are going bankrupt? Because the Tory central government are withholding funds from labour areas so as to create the idea that austerity is a labour council thing. There’s nothing stooping lower than a Tory
@@SJG-nr8uj You'll WISH the UK could become a federal province. You won't be. You'll be the EU's Puerto Rico, following the rules while others make the decisions. Face it, Jack, you sold your cow for magic beans.
It makes sense for Starmer to not want to discuss PR right now as he's about to win a majority, which he wants so he can get on with repairing the UK. If he said he was in favour of it, knowing the Tories they would introduce it for five years, as a trial. Which would mean Starmer would spend five years getting nothing done because he'd have to haggle with all the other parties. Labour needs to introduce PR before they lose, not before they win, because the whole point of having it is to prevent a Tory majority in future, not a Labour one now. I very much doubt we could go back in the EU whilst keeping FPTP because the EU would worry that we'd Brexit again the next time the Tories got in and that would just waste everyone's time and energy. Help Starmer win, if he's not up to the job after a year depose him for someone else, but at least we'll have five years of Labour. Our country can't afford another five years of the Tories, there'll be nothing left to fight for.
Based on the last few elections, going to PR would shift the UK's parliament quite suddenly to the left. So really Labour need to get in, then bring in PR as fast as possible. The Conservatives will likely always be the largest right leaning party and possibly the largest single party, but it's unlikely they'll outnumber Labour + Lib Dem + Plaid + Green etc, who are far more likely to be able to work with each other and form a Government than they are with the Conservatives. Not that they'll always be harmonious about it.
@@fix0the0spade Why would Labour who are about to get 100% of power be in a hurry to give most of it away to anyone, regardless of whether they're left or right ? You're like someone who's won the lottery thinking it's only fair to give everyone their money back. Why would you do that ?
@@dondoodat The thing about FPTP is every time somebody wins they assume they'll win every time going forward, the Gambler's Fallacy if you will. To get PR in Labour need to win a big majority, then present it as a way to end the wild back/forth swings of UK policy and prevent anyone repeating the damage of the Conservatives. They need to be riding that wave of confidence and authority that comes from a big election win. If they make that change it won't come into effect until the next election, so they'll have 5 years to set it up as well as enact their own policies. . Doing it just before an election won't work. It won't work on a practical level since the laws need to be re-written and the way everyone votes will need to change. It won't work at a PR level because it will look like Labor trying to avoid defeat and the press are owned by the Conservatives (literally). . Besides, a move to PR damages the Conservatives far more than it damages Labour. It would be like winning the lottery then using the money to buy the lottery and change the rules so you're more likely to win in future, but have to share the winnings. You still win.
If we suddenly had PR before the next General Election Starmer wouldn’t spend five years haggling because the parties he’d have to work with have similar goals to Labour. They’d probably get more done.
@@ffotograffydd No. SNP would want a referendum, LibDems would want..... ( I don't know what they stand for), Greens wouldn't vote for anything that wasn't the environmental best choice, Plaid would want it translated into Welsh, Tories would oppose anything automatically, Reform would want people deported first...... Or, Labour could just get on with it because they have the most seats. PR would only slow everything down which would benefit the Tories as nothing would change.
True, although Farage hasn't yet admitted that brexit itself is to blame. He's still pretending that it only failed because of the way it was carried out. I predicted that straight after the referendum when he ran away leaving others to deal with the mess. Not that I have any sympathy for them either.
I think the fact this type of discussion took place shows how much ian dale has drifted away from his brexit hardcore stance, this conversation would never have happened a year ago, dale would never have acted like this. Fantastic interview, and impressive as always Femi
No doubt Brexit has been a disaster but the cost of return will be a bitter pill to swallow. If we think the EU won’t be cautious about the return of the British bearing in mind our often divisive and supercilious attitude think again.
Can you please tell us what you know about EU fiscal union, EU economic union, EU political union, the unification of member states' armed forces at the command of the European Council, the reckless EU expansionism across Eastern Europe and the unfettered migration into the EU from North Africa and the Middle East. It shouldn't take you long.
@@SJG-nr8uj This short explanation should suffice: You're either a scaremonger and/or a believer in paranoid, xenophobic conspiracy theories, which tells us all we need to know about the value and validity of your take on the EU.
@@ftumschkHere is your homework. 1. The Lisbon Treaty (economic union/unified armed forces). 2. The EU Five Presidents' Report 2015 (fiscal union, leading to economic union, leading to political unification). 3. The European Union Global Strategy, 30th June 2016 (the right of the EU's military "to act autonomously if and when necessary"). 4. The EU Rome Declaration, 25th March 2017 (Economic union reaffirmed, with a preferred deadline of ten years for its completion, ie. by 2027). 5. The European Council's Military Command and Control Structures document, 23rd April 2019, outlining the EU's military command structure over member states' land, sea and air forces. 6. The ECB's 'Fiscal Implications of the EU Recovery Package', 2020, advocating getting economic union back on track post-pandemic. 7. Inward migration from Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, the Palestine Authority, Israel, Lebanon, Syria and Turkey as per the Euro-Mediterranean Partnership, enacted from 2010. You are excused not knowing about the latter agreement, because they kept it a secret, but the rest are all in the public domain. So why don't you know about them seven-and-a-half years after the referendum, and fifteen years after the Lisbon Treaty came into effect? You have no excuses left.
People need to remember that there is no "rejoin" the EU schema. There is only application to join. That means that UK needs to apply with the new requirements (most important giving up on the pound and accepting the Euro) and that the rest of the EU members will have to accept them. Right now I believe neither of these is possible.
Is that really deserved? With the likes of Wilders still gaining influence, surely we should be pulling together, not helping Wilders and Farage push us apart!
Please tell us what you know about EU fiscal union, EU economic union, EU political union, the unification of member states' armed forces at the command of the European Council, the reckless EU expansionism across Eastern Europe and the unfettered migration into the EU from North Africa and the Middle East. It shouldn't take you long.
@@tomnicholson2115 - ''Compassion for the conned'' or the lack of intelligence of the leave voters that didn't have a clue what Brexit was really about.
Ha ha! If he debates with me, as a Leaver, he will find himself arguing against the European Union! I know what's in their treaties, documents and declarations, and he either does not know or he's lying to you by not telling you what's in them. So if he takes me on, he'll get destroyed.
A very good interview and analysis such that I almost warmed to Iain Dale but Femi, as always, was at the top of his game in his rationale and explanations; Brexiteers wither when confronted with demonstrable facts.
Iain is definitely reconsidering. He was also quite self deprecating about his Brexit vote in a recent panel discussion (I can remember Stella Creasy was on the panel, didn't recognise the others)
Oh, it's demonstrable facts you want, is it? Crikey - from a Remoaner too! Please tell us what you know about EU fiscal union, EU economic union, EU political union, the unification of member states' armed forces at the command of the European Council, the reckless EU expansionism across Eastern Europe and the unfettered migration into the EU from North Africa and the Middle East. It shouldn't take you long.
@@Kian2002 Here is your homework. 1. The Lisbon Treaty (economic union/unified armed forces). 2. The EU Five Presidents' Report 2015 (fiscal union, leading to economic union, leading to political unification). 3. The European Union Global Strategy, 30th June 2016 (the right of the EU's military "to act autonomously if and when necessary"). 4. The EU Rome Declaration, 25th March 2017 (Economic union reaffirmed, with a preferred deadline of ten years for its completion, ie. by 2027). 5. The European Council's Military Command and Control Structures document, 23rd April 2019, outlining the EU's military command structure over member states' land, sea and air forces. 6. The ECB's 'Fiscal Implications of the EU Recovery Package', 2020, advocating getting economic union back on track post-pandemic. 7. Inward migration from Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, the Palestine Authority, Israel, Lebanon, Syria and Turkey as per the Euro-Mediterranean Partnership, enacted from 2010. You are excused not knowing about the latter agreement, because they kept it a secret, but the rest are all in the public domain. So why don't you know about them seven-and-a-half years after the referendum, and fifteen years after the Lisbon Treaty came into effect? You have no excuses left.
37% voted to leave Europe but the 35% who voted to remain and 28% who did not vote are now paying the price of a binary Yes/No vote to a complex question. Also mention UK Citizens in EU at the time who were not allowed to vote. British people didn’t (and some still don’t) understand the impact of Brexit because they were lied to by a pro brexit government and a xenophobic and jingoistic media that deliberately associated refugees from outside EU with movement of labour.
Can you please tell us what you know about EU fiscal union, EU economic union, EU political union, the unification of member states' armed forces at the command of the European Council, the reckless EU expansionism across Eastern Europe and the unfettered migration into the EU from North Africa and the Middle East. It shouldn't take you long.
Well, maybe the 28% will get its @ss off the couch and act in its own best interests next time. Ah, but what am I saying? There's no "next time". That was it, and they stayed home playing Grand Theft Auto instead of taking half an hour out of their lives to secure their own future. Sucks to be them, I guess.
Can you please tell us what you know about EU fiscal union, EU economic union, EU political union, the unification of member states' armed forces at the command of the European Council, the reckless EU expansionism across Eastern Europe and the unfettered migration into the EU from North Africa and the Middle East. All the stuff that Femi refuses to tell you about.
Please tell us what you know about EU fiscal union, EU economic union, EU political union, the unification of member states' armed forces at the command of the European Council, the reckless EU expansionism across Eastern Europe and the unfettered migration into the EU from North Africa and the Middle East. It shouldn't take you long.
Well as you were born in the UK and the UK is part of the European continent that's not at all surprising, but being born in the UK and the UK being part of the British isles also means you've always been British! Also as the UK and Europe are both on the planet Earth makes you a lifelong Earthman too! Or Earthwoman! depending on your gender preferences.
That’s how the Brexit debate should have been all along.. God bless you Femi for your compassion and commitment in fighting the greatest tragedy to befall this nation..
Excellent conversation. Thank you. As an American who tries to keep at least some kind of tab on what is going with our friends across the pond, this was very illuminating.
But Femi, what about the sovereignty?!? The idea we've failed to grasp the Brexit opportunities without naming a single opportunity was he best argument.
there will be no Swiss deal. EU ruled that out already. Norway will block EFTA membership of UK. So the only option is to apply for candidate EU membership and accept ALL EU rules and ECJ as well as the Euro currencies. Oh, by the way. Turkey applied in 1987 EU membership and failed the test, like UK will. And do not forget that several sovereign EU countries will veto UK back in EU
I honestly think that's where the current loan agreement is heading. We'll get used to them sometimes being in Greece, and then one day we'll just not bother with the hassle of another move from Greece to the UK
Rubbish, the UK needs to regain its integrity, so that the EU wants the UK back in the Single Market. Then it will find a way. (And anyone who acually believes that the EU ruling out something logical and beneficial, is anything more than a negotiating tactic, to prevent time wasters and present a stronger starting poing, must be as gullible as a Brexiteer. And have a short memory)
I cannot work out why someone like Ian Dale who I have always considered to be smart is in consistent denial over Bexit and when asked recently said he would still vote for it. I can only assume because he has not been directly affected by it.
Maybe the penny dropped with Dale when he speculated that no politician cares about the UK. As far as the Tory party are concerned that has been apparent since 2010 and arguably since 1979, as far as labour are concerned we will have to wait and see but history rather indicates that the do care.
It is inevitable and the voice of the young, who will suffer most from Brexit, should be heard. The reasons for Brexit are now proved to be lies and truth should prevail
It is ironic that the least democratic country in the EU left because it considered Europe undemocratic. As membership cost less than the price of a decent gym, less then £200, I would be happy to pay that considering the benefits I would receive.
The super rich, the oligarchs and the beneficiaries of the London Laundromat who short sold the pound want to stay out of the EU because they do not want to comply with the EU Tax Avoidance Directive. That’s the real reason for “taking back control” . They can continue to avoid paying UK tax in offshore tax in avoidance schemes.
Are 17.5 million? No richs+ stupidity did this... 😢
Ian Dale is such a disingenuous putz. "Brexit hasn't made us poorer--we're just less well off." Femi, on the other hand, is just as brilliant and honest as ever.
With Dale's logic, the Rich haven't become richer, they have just acquired more wealth.
He did admit he was splitting hairs. That’s all Brexiters have got now (not they had much to go on from the off).
😂😂 Good one.
Technically they're both right.
Femi is right that comparatively we're worse off.
Dale is saying that the economy has grown but at a slower rate.
I'd suggest that factoring in inflation, Femi is far closer to the reality of the situation. In real terms people's finances have gone down
And the EU is doing so well ?
You did very well. You can tell you did your „homework“ by immediately destroying the propagandist talking points he throws at you. Thank you for standing up for the truth.
Please tell us what you know about EU fiscal union, EU economic union, EU political union, the unification of member states' armed forces at the command of the European Council, the reckless EU expansionism across Eastern Europe and the unfettered migration into the EU from North Africa and the Middle East. It shouldn't take you long.
@@SJG-nr8ujRussian troll is trollin’… 🥱 yawn
@@NaughtyNimitzLet's deal with each one in turn. EU fiscal union (EU Five Presidents' Report 2015); EU economic union (Lisbon Treaty Article 3.4/EU Five Presidents' Report 2015/EU Rome Declaration 2017/ECB's 'Fiscal Implications of the EU Recovery Package 2020); EU political union (EU Five Presidents' Report 2015); unified armed forces under command of the European Council (Lisbon Treaty Article 42.3/ EU Global Strategy 30th June 2016/ European Council's Military Command and Control Structures document, 23rd April 2019); reckless EU expansionism across Eastern Europe has Albania North Macedonia, Serbia, Montenegro, Moldova, Ukraine, Turkey and Georgia lined up for EU accession (widely known); unfettered immigration into the EU from North Africa and the Middle East (Euro-Mediterranean Partnership, enacted in 2010). Are you seriously telling me, seven-and-a-half years after the referendum, that Remainers still don't know what they voted for? Or maybe you think the Kremlin writes the EU's own treaties, documents and declarations? Either way, Remoaners are pathetic! And not only pathetic, but dangerously ignorant. Wake up.
@@SJG-nr8uj the ts in post mate
@@NeilCWCampbell So you don't believe them and you haven't read any of them? How do you know what's in them if you haven't read them? So you are admitting you don't know what you voted in favour of. Well, seven-and-a-half years too late, help is at hand. Here is the relevant passage of the EU Five Presidents' Report 2015: "Progress MUST HAPPEN on four fronts: first, towards a genuine ECONOMIC UNION that ensures each economy has the structural features to prosper within the Monetary Union. Second, towards a FINANCIAL UNION that guarantees the integrity of our currency across the Monetary Union and increases risk-sharing with the private sector. This means completing the Banking Union and accelerating the Capital Markets Completing Europe’s Economic and Monetary Union. Third, towards a FISCAL UNION that delivers both fiscal sustainability and fiscal stabilisation. And finally, towards a POLITICAL UNION that provides the foundation for all of the above through genuine democratic accountability, legitimacy and institutional strengthening." The EU wants economic union complete by 2027 (per Rome Declaration 2017), whilst meanwhile the EU continues to put the armed forces of its member states together under its own command (see above). Last year the EU led joint military exercises in Spain. And that's why we left. You are now 100% more educated about the European Union than you were ten minutes ago. Finally!
Excellent interview! I note Iain Dale, a Breixiteer, tried in vain to push back but did not push back on the facts of Brexit's failures.
He actually listened. Almost amenable.
Eventually a lot few of them will realise that they won't be able to be seen as sensible if they don't join us. Iain is almost there.
I call the brexiters...they are not Buccaneers, Pioneers, Musketeers...they are dull dull dull.
He can't push back facts. Still won't change his mind though
Reality has hit him, happened a year or two ago, but he's still struggling how to express it - a change of Govt will probably be the 'enabler'.
He can’t produce any evidence that BREXIT has brought anything but economic madness, so he can’t champion a dead duck. There’s nothing brave about that. He’s complicit in this countries collapse and he bloody knows it.
Fantastic Femi - the message about Electoral Reform needs to be hammered home, repeatedly - I don't care if people get fed up with hearing the same refrain - the solution is simple - change the (UK's) voting system and you change the way we do politics in Britain - permanently!
You don't know why we have the system we do. You don't want democracy, you want mob rule.
We had a PR vote in 2011 and people voted against it and wanted to stick with first past the post, you are asking for a change in something that people rejected at the ballot box.
Neither main party benefits from PR so why would they suddenly now support it?
The English have voted Tory for most of my life, and I'm nearly 50. Theft and death, they seem to be happy with both. Scotland has not voted Tory since the 1950s. PR would help, but wont resolve the problem of the Stockholm syndrome down south. They let thousands die deliberately, while stealing billions and refusing to feed kids for millions during a pandemic, and i keep hearing "boris isn't that bad" "i quite like Rishi".... Traitors to all of us, especially those who died at the hands of the Tory fascists, those same people that my grandad fought to protect in ww2 when they were kids, from fascists. Traitors
@goodluck-mx4qr none of the options on the ballot paper were proportional representation. The tories watered down the choices in order to 'keep the constituency link' iirc. The UK has never had a chance to vote on a true PR system.
Thank you Femi! You’re right, it is moral cowardice that no politician in the main parties will publicly support rejoining. I am a Labour member but I have zero enthusiasm to vote for them except to keep the tories out. i.e they are the least worse option. It’s a terrible situation .
why would you vote to keep tories out by voting in Starmer they're literally the same thing
Good guy Nick. Subbed your channel as a thank you.
@@adhiwicaksono6149 You’re repeating a very tired and completely baseless nonsense. Starmer is not the same as the Tories in any way - which is why Sunak whines about them every Wednesday in PMQs.
@@adhiwicaksono6149I really don’t think Starmer is the same as the Tories . His politics are not the same as Corbyn but he is to left of the current hard right Tory party and I believe he would be harder to corrupt . Despite my disappointment over his Brexit position, he is worth voting for.
That how politics work. One does not vote for the best but for the least worse. In this case by light years.
Well done Femi. You didn’t put a foot wrong. You look so much more comfortable on a decent show where people want detail as opposed to shows where people want simplistic slogans.
Yeah, I didn't realise it would be just me an Iain. I expected I was going to have to shout over a couple of rabid Faragists. But it was actually constructive! 😍
@Femi_Sorry I felt he has given up on Brexit, he who was for Brexit.
It isn't age, I'm of a certain age and never considered Brexshit if any value, I saw it for the Tory scan that it always was.
I know it IS about bigotry, stupidity and being gullible to the deceit, fraud and criminality of-the-tax-haven-protection-by Tory-crooks. FACT.
As a society those Tory fraudsters MUST face criminal prosecution and lengthy prison sentences.
@@Femi_Sorry It was constructive. Still I did like your Colin from Portsmouth appearance. While great fun, it highlighted the insanity of so many "shows".
Allowed to talk bollocks all day.
Well said Femi. You've clearly articulated the thoughts of most of us. I would vote for you!
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Please tell us what you know about EU fiscal union, EU economic union, EU political union, the unification of member states' armed forces at the command of the European Council, the reckless EU expansionism across Eastern Europe and the unfettered migration into the EU from North Africa and the Middle East. It shouldn't take you long.
Well said Femi. Let’s hope we have a far more positive future ahead of us, ideally with PR and inside the EU.
PR?😂😂😂 Really made Scotland better
traitor
@@prvvideoonline7993 Brexit has failed, even Farage has said so - or is he a traitor too?
@@SJG-nr8uj So long as you cover all the damage being done to our economy, the trade agreements that never were (US), pretty much unfettered immigration of 700,000+, businesses being faced with piles of red tape (which leavers said wouldn’t happen), prices going up and then moreso into 2024 when the UK actually implements customs borders, significant division within our country, implementation of UK CA standards which have been costly and mean nothing as no other country acknowledges them (and have now been all but abandoned), a ‘bonfire of regulations’ that also had to be abandoned, jobs and money being lost because of Brexit, a country which is now looking globally ridiculous and has lost significant diplomatic leverage, costs of Brexit running into several hundred billions of £s etc etc etc. It really wasn’t worth it just because the Tories wanted more power and couldn’t work with other countries. It has been an unmitigated disaster and the majority of the country now agrees.
@@northyorkshirechris5735The EU is heading for a federal state (= political union = one big country), and you should know this by now. Here is your homework. 1. The Lisbon Treaty (economic union/unified armed forces). 2. The EU Five Presidents' Report 2015 (fiscal union, leading to economic union, leading to political unification). 3. The European Union Global Strategy, 30th June 2016 (the right of the EU's military "to act autonomously if and when necessary"). 4. The EU Rome Declaration, 25th March 2017 (Economic union reaffirmed, with a preferred deadline of ten years for its completion, ie. by 2027). 5. The European Council's Military Command and Control Structures document, 23rd April 2019, outlining the EU's military command structure over member states' land, sea and air forces. 6. The ECB's 'Fiscal Implications of the EU Recovery Package', 2020, advocating getting economic union back on track post-pandemic. 7. Inward migration from Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, the Palestine Authority, Israel, Lebanon, Syria and Turkey as per the Euro-Mediterranean Partnership, enacted from 2010. You are excused not knowing about the latter agreement, because they kept it a secret, but the rest are all in the public domain. So why don't you know about them seven-and-a-half years after the referendum, and fifteen years after the Lisbon Treaty came into effect? You have no excuses left.
I’m shocked. A sensible grown up discussion about Brexit between two adults. Compare that with Rees Mogg and his sound engineers talking all over the contributor’s answers, cutting them short “because that’s all we have time for”, and deliberately fading down the guest mic so Rees Mogg’s voice is the more dominant. And GB News thinks it’s providing fair and impartial debates. Well done Iain Dale and LBC. And well done Femi for a fact laden (verifiable too) interview. There is hope!
We all know that GB News means Goebbels News.
GB and the word. News? That’s a dichotomy 😅
Iain Dale is embarrassing.
And Femi isn’t? 😂
Femi that was an excellent piece of advocacy for rational politics, well done 👏
Brilliant interview Femi. 👏🏼
Keep hammering it home.
The country needs PR.
Yes but he's a Labour cheerleader who have no real interest in implementing pr
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Only time will tell. Our electoral system needs to be reformed.
@@almafrith778 yes it needs to be reformed but history shows that Labour have no intention of having pr, it was sidelined in Blair's tenure and recently Starmer has done the same AGAINST its own members.
PR is a terrible idea.
Brexit covered the British people with ridicule and shame
Turns OUT it was the Right thing to do. Boris sold us OUT Committed Treason by signing a TCA.. NIP 15 months after Lisbon Treaty Article 50 TEU Expired , Ceased to Exist . Only Lawful Deal permitted on BOTH Sides was a Trade Deal on Goods . Truss Territory as Trade Sec EU BREAKS THEIR OWN RULES WHEN IT SUITS THEM .. as Boris Committed Treason Doing this, it effectively means upon signing this Deal He is NO Longer Prime Minister @ LAW. & TCA, NIP Treaty is NULL & VOID. i'm surprised NO Ones Mentioned it Before Now.
The abuse we took the European citizens for years and years from the English racist in UK its unimaginable. The damage they did to many ten of thousands
English people
Max- it really didn’t except in your deluded mind.
@@LondonPowerwhat?
Brexit; an idea that could never survive contact with its own reality…
As Gert Wilders wins in HOlland, SD in Sweden, AFD in Germany, ..Italy....Le Pen.....and you think the EU has a future? Schengen is in full reverse gear
Except the British did exit and in reality still survive!
With an 80% Eurphile cabinet like Femi.
Odds were not in its favour.
Good guy, Subbed your channel as a thank you.
@@tomnicholson2115survive, yes
But Brexit promised flourish!
As an American I understand I have no right to weigh in on England's politics. But on a human level I have to say that your well reasoned logic, your compassion, and your calm but firm demeanor are all extremely inspiring. Well done, Femi. Cheers
Appreciated 🥰🥰🥰
I disagree, as an American you do have the right to comment for example a stronger stable Europe will be in the interests of the USA for example you have spent billions on wars over here over the decades such as in the former Yugoslavia. Also the Russians would love an unstable EU. Finally a lot of US citizens with Irish roots are concerned about the risk to peace in Ireland
British politics, Brexit affects all four countries of the UK.
@@ffotograffyddthank you for the correction. Missteps are one of the reasons I don't weigh in. Too easy to offend someone unintentionally
@@19rudy73 I’m not offended, just pointing out basic geography. 😉
The One Commodity that every single person in Britain Requires is food. Sir Winston Churchill said in 1940. That even if all the land was put under tillage Britain would still need to import food from the Empire. 70% off all the food Consumed on a daily basis is imported from the EU or through the EU.
Imported food has a shorter Shelf life than before Brexit.
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Churchill was a turd, surely you could have quoted someone else? Especially of his history in Ireland.
Well, if Chruchill said it, it must be relevant. Just like when he said about the German rise that "We will sell them our expertise in bombing n******s".
I think this is part of the problem: the UK saw the EEC as a replacement for the Empire and then got upset when it didn't act like they thought it should.
Bravo, Femi. You did a fabulous job. Great to be so specific, honest and also optimistic at the same time.
unelected traitorous man - evil. Brexit has not made Uk poorer and the EU will def not make Uk richer. All EU ever did was take Brit's money - for no return. No to unelected foreign bureaucrats. This idiot should be deported - he is a traitor
Please tell us what you know about EU fiscal union, EU economic union, EU political union, the unification of member states' armed forces at the command of the European Council, the reckless EU expansionism across Eastern Europe and the unfettered migration into the EU from North Africa and the Middle East. It shouldn't take you long.
Well done mate, you answered about every question without pausing for breath. That shows just how well you know the subject you were talking about. Very impressive, great job.
Appreciated 🥰 some might call it obsession, so it felt good to be able to open a valve and let it out. 😅
Agreed. And Femi is the only person I know of who has successfully forced Farage to admit that lies he'd told were lies, on at least two occasions on his LBC show.
@@Femi_Sorry Here is your homework, 1. The Lisbon Treaty, 2. The EU Five Presidents' Report, 2015. 3. The European Union Global Strategy, 30th June 2016. 4. The EU Rome Declaration, 25th March 2017. 5. The European Council's Military Command and Control Structures document, 23rd April 2019. 6. The ECB's Fiscal Implications of the EU Recovery Package', 2020. Once you've read these you will know what you're talking about. Meanwhile, PR is an electoral disaster. It prevents the government doing what it was democratically elected to do.
Give us PR then people can vote for the party that truly represents their views. The two party system needs to end! It's not democratic.
Sussana,
while our current system has it's flaws, proportional representation will be dredaful, nothing will get done at all. Don't think that if you support a minority party their policies will happen, at best it will be a bit of compromise. Minority parties are just that because few people like their policies.
@iareid8255 No. Most European countries function with coalitions. Politics is about the art of compromise. There is such a thing as the tyranny of the majority.
I was part of the 48.1%. A minority. A very sizable minority. An important minority. The one that turned out to be correct.
That "minority view" that "just a few" liked.
Rom,
function maybe, but less effectively in my view.
With majority voting policies can be effectedand if they prove wrong, that party will not be voted in and alternative policies by the incoming party. That is one of the flaws as it takes time and money to get good policies in place. With compromise all you get are watered down policies that do little but are perpetuated due to the mix of directions taken.
When I refered to minories, I was talking of parties with no chance of power (because few like their policies) with whom proportional representaion is popular.
There is no real right or wrong policies, as such. If party A is elected and the policies they adopt are popular with the party followers who accept the negatives for the positives they percieve from them then that is acceptable. If with time, the negatives start to out weigh the positives then you can expect support for that party to collapse and party B will be elected instead with different policies.
The most efficient political system is a dictatorship but the outcome for the population entirely depends on whether the dictator acts with regard for the people's welfare and well being or not. A huge gamble and not really to be recommended.
You are so right, Susanna!
Brexit party would sweep top power, why do you think Farage calls for PR
I've never seen Iian Dale so reasonable!😮 well put Femi! Did you see tonight's question time(30 Nov/23)? A guy in the audience, who wasn't young, made the same argument as you that we should rejoin the E.U. because Brexit has harmed us, and lots of people claped him!👍
yeah, i shared the video on twitter :)
@@Femi_SorryPlease tell us what you know about EU fiscal union, EU economic union, EU political union, the unification of member states' armed forces at the command of the European Council, the reckless EU expansionism across Eastern Europe and the unfettered migration into the EU from North Africa and the Middle East. It shouldn't take you long.
I live in the EU, if it goes to a vote to let the UK rejoin it won't happen for a generation. People don't forget how the UK behaved in the EU and also how vile it was during the Leave campaign
How the English Westminster Government and their enablers behaved. We didn't all vote for this. And we didn't all insult the EU.
That's not the UK, that's just Farage and his cult
It's like pointing at Wilders and saying he represents the Netherlands
You have a point
I live in EU and would vote UK in.
Absolutely. The UK spat in our faces, ridiculed the EU, made all things gone bad in the UK the responsibility of the EU and raised a middle finger to us. I am part of the EU and thus all these accusations and insults were taken personally. Britain can suck it, I will do whatever I need to do (voting wise or demonstration wise) to try and hinder the return of the UK. It would even be a single issue voting point for me as well. Any party who vows to block the return of the UK into the EU will get my vote.
Brexit is, in the end, the biggest gift the UK has given the EU: a departure of an island full of clowns.
Good riddance!
Holy crap, Femi's quoting of facts on the fly and without hesitation or stuttering is sodding impressive
He's brilliant!
I wish I knew what sodding meant
A truly outstanding performance Femi, bravo!
We will rejoin eventually
Rejoin what, exactly? The EU that existed as at 23rd June 2016? It doesn't exist. And in truth it never did.
Très belle prestation, posée, réfléchie ... et Iain assez respectueux aussi .. impressionnant!
Je fais de mon mieux 😊
T'as raison!
Absolutely amazing job Femi! 😊👍
Well said Femi.
First I’ve heard of Femi. What an articulate, coherent and impassioned speaker - this is the sort of person we need leading our country.
Oh god you certainly haven't seen him before then.
If people think femme is brilliant they are on waky baby drugs poor sods
@@jeffreybooth5129I've seen him before several times. Just as impassioned, articulate and on the money as he is here.
You probably prefer Jacob Rees Mogg.@@jeffreybooth5129
The critical issue will be MPs fear of loosing a seat. Once Tory MPs believe flipping to support rejoining might save them - many will. Once the Tories do it, Labour MPs will be forced to join them & Starmer can't ignore it. Probably quite suddenly, a majority of MPs will call for a rejoining vote - either in the manifesto or a second referendum as part of a GE.
That’s wh😢labour aren’t SHOUTING about it. They need to get elected first. End of. They are already showing plenty of signs of alignment and negotiation if you care to look a bit harder, they’re getting ready. Watch a different bias. He’s alwa😢explaining it very well
Well if we go the same way as the labour councils, you won’t have to worry about brexit, the country will be bankrupt
@@kevindare3113 you know why labour councils are going bankrupt? Because the Tory central government are withholding funds from labour areas so as to create the idea that austerity is a labour council thing. There’s nothing stooping lower than a Tory
That's an interesting point.
Considering how xenophobic the country seems to be, I don’t see how they will swallow the Euro and the Schengen.
The Guardian had an article recently about how strongly his senior people want Ed Davey to be clearer in terms of rejoin
He is spot on with his analysis
We’re on the long road to the EU !
I so hope so & bloody fast. BREXIT is killing Britain.
No we are not. The UK will not be reduced to the status of a federal province. You can forget it!
@@SJG-nr8uj Oh just look of what we have become! Rejoining will be better than being a poxy little decrepit off shore island perhaps?
@@SJG-nr8uj You'll WISH the UK could become a federal province. You won't be. You'll be the EU's Puerto Rico, following the rules while others make the decisions. Face it, Jack, you sold your cow for magic beans.
@@SJG-nr8ujoh here’s the Russian troll again. See his posts and marvel at the futile attempt to influence smart people…
The polls showed that we would remain in the EU but they got that horribly wrong when the vote was counted.
This is one of the most articulate guests I've seen
God help us lol.
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It makes sense for Starmer to not want to discuss PR right now as he's about to win a majority, which he wants so he can get on with repairing the UK.
If he said he was in favour of it, knowing the Tories they would introduce it for five years, as a trial.
Which would mean Starmer would spend five years getting nothing done because he'd have to haggle with all the other parties.
Labour needs to introduce PR before they lose, not before they win, because the whole point of having it is to prevent a Tory majority in future, not a Labour one now.
I very much doubt we could go back in the EU whilst keeping FPTP because the EU would worry that we'd Brexit again the next time the Tories got in and that would just waste everyone's time and energy.
Help Starmer win, if he's not up to the job after a year depose him for someone else, but at least we'll have five years of Labour.
Our country can't afford another five years of the Tories, there'll be nothing left to fight for.
Based on the last few elections, going to PR would shift the UK's parliament quite suddenly to the left. So really Labour need to get in, then bring in PR as fast as possible. The Conservatives will likely always be the largest right leaning party and possibly the largest single party, but it's unlikely they'll outnumber Labour + Lib Dem + Plaid + Green etc, who are far more likely to be able to work with each other and form a Government than they are with the Conservatives. Not that they'll always be harmonious about it.
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Why would Labour who are about to get 100% of power be in a hurry to give most of it away to anyone, regardless of whether they're left or right ?
You're like someone who's won the lottery thinking it's only fair to give everyone their money back.
Why would you do that ?
@@dondoodat The thing about FPTP is every time somebody wins they assume they'll win every time going forward, the Gambler's Fallacy if you will. To get PR in Labour need to win a big majority, then present it as a way to end the wild back/forth swings of UK policy and prevent anyone repeating the damage of the Conservatives. They need to be riding that wave of confidence and authority that comes from a big election win. If they make that change it won't come into effect until the next election, so they'll have 5 years to set it up as well as enact their own policies.
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Doing it just before an election won't work. It won't work on a practical level since the laws need to be re-written and the way everyone votes will need to change. It won't work at a PR level because it will look like Labor trying to avoid defeat and the press are owned by the Conservatives (literally).
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Besides, a move to PR damages the Conservatives far more than it damages Labour. It would be like winning the lottery then using the money to buy the lottery and change the rules so you're more likely to win in future, but have to share the winnings. You still win.
If we suddenly had PR before the next General Election Starmer wouldn’t spend five years haggling because the parties he’d have to work with have similar goals to Labour. They’d probably get more done.
@@ffotograffydd
No.
SNP would want a referendum, LibDems would want..... ( I don't know what they stand for), Greens wouldn't vote for anything that wasn't the environmental best choice, Plaid would want it translated into Welsh, Tories would oppose anything automatically, Reform would want people deported first......
Or, Labour could just get on with it because they have the most seats.
PR would only slow everything down which would benefit the Tories as nothing would change.
Brilliant stuff Femi! ... Keep going👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
When even Nigel Farage say's Brexit has failed then you know..
True, although Farage hasn't yet admitted that brexit itself is to blame. He's still pretending that it only failed because of the way it was carried out. I predicted that straight after the referendum when he ran away leaving others to deal with the mess. Not that I have any sympathy for them either.
Nigel two faced farage can jog on
"I'm not using that as an excuse..." You just used that as an excuse. A perfect example of Brexit vocabulary.
I think the fact this type of discussion took place shows how much ian dale has drifted away from his brexit hardcore stance, this conversation would never have happened a year ago, dale would never have acted like this. Fantastic interview, and impressive as always Femi
Iain Dale was like an addict finally facing himself and his addiction...'Hello, I'm Iain and I'm a Brexiteer...'😂
He chaired a panel earlier this week, and they literally compared Brexit to drugs, with Dale saying that he inhaled deep!
😂😂😂
Agreed, but please remove the extra 'e' from the word brexiter.
@@erikzoe1 Why? It isn't an "extra e". It's a different suffix with a different connotation.
@@Peter-ud9bx It's a suffix used in words like pioneer, and sounds far too complimentary to be used for brexiters.
I hope you are right Femi and the younger generation will fix this huge mistake.
Fantastic interview, glad to see you getting some msm exposure to get the message across. Thanks for all you do Femi 👍👍
No doubt Brexit has been a disaster but the cost of return will be a bitter pill to swallow. If we think the EU won’t be cautious about the return of the British bearing in mind our often divisive and supercilious attitude think again.
It is inevitable, I agree…and I am one of those who consider myself part of the senior citizens group.
Ian, The SNP have always advocated being in the EU, you seem to forget they are in Westmonster.
I think most people want to forget the SNP these days! wether their in Westmonster or even Westminster!
You should go and read some of his blog posts from before Brexit. Iain Dale's been a misinfo guy for a long, long time.
Agreed, although I see Dale as misguided rather than malicious, which is more than I can say for some public figures I could mention.
@@ftumschk Don't be silly 😂 Dale is a dyed in the wool, Tory brexitard.
Can you please tell us what you know about EU fiscal union, EU economic union, EU political union, the unification of member states' armed forces at the command of the European Council, the reckless EU expansionism across Eastern Europe and the unfettered migration into the EU from North Africa and the Middle East. It shouldn't take you long.
@@SJG-nr8uj This short explanation should suffice: You're either a scaremonger and/or a believer in paranoid, xenophobic conspiracy theories, which tells us all we need to know about the value and validity of your take on the EU.
@@ftumschkHere is your homework. 1. The Lisbon Treaty (economic union/unified armed forces). 2. The EU Five Presidents' Report 2015 (fiscal union, leading to economic union, leading to political unification). 3. The European Union Global Strategy, 30th June 2016 (the right of the EU's military "to act autonomously if and when necessary"). 4. The EU Rome Declaration, 25th March 2017 (Economic union reaffirmed, with a preferred deadline of ten years for its completion, ie. by 2027). 5. The European Council's Military Command and Control Structures document, 23rd April 2019, outlining the EU's military command structure over member states' land, sea and air forces. 6. The ECB's 'Fiscal Implications of the EU Recovery Package', 2020, advocating getting economic union back on track post-pandemic. 7. Inward migration from Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, the Palestine Authority, Israel, Lebanon, Syria and Turkey as per the Euro-Mediterranean Partnership, enacted from 2010. You are excused not knowing about the latter agreement, because they kept it a secret, but the rest are all in the public domain. So why don't you know about them seven-and-a-half years after the referendum, and fifteen years after the Lisbon Treaty came into effect? You have no excuses left.
Keep it up Femi! Excellent stuff!
People need to remember that there is no "rejoin" the EU schema. There is only application to join. That means that UK needs to apply with the new requirements (most important giving up on the pound and accepting the Euro) and that the rest of the EU members will have to accept them. Right now I believe neither of these is possible.
The requirement of the UK needing to accept the Euro if they want to rejoin is bs. Don't go around spreading lies.
Wonderfully done, Femi. Good work.
Well done Femi. You were absolutely spot on👍
A fantastic interview
Many in continental Europe can't help smiling and thinking 'serves you right, Brits!'
Is that really deserved? With the likes of Wilders still gaining influence, surely we should be pulling together, not helping Wilders and Farage push us apart!
Serves the Brits right for voting against the party that pushed through Brexit but still getting dragged out due to an archaic electoral system?
Please tell us what you know about EU fiscal union, EU economic union, EU political union, the unification of member states' armed forces at the command of the European Council, the reckless EU expansionism across Eastern Europe and the unfettered migration into the EU from North Africa and the Middle East. It shouldn't take you long.
You were very polite to Iain "yes, but, no, but" Dale. 😊
Anyone that voted Leave should be spending every spare hour fixing the mess they've helped create, by volunteering to work for free.
Anyone that voted remain can just sit on their arse and mock the rest then? If you want to help fix the mess maybe you should work for free too!
@@tomnicholson2115 - ''Compassion for the conned'' or the lack of intelligence of the leave voters that didn't have a clue what Brexit was really about.
@@dbp1111 If insulting democratic voters is all you've got I'm going to be happy to ignore you from now on!
@@tomnicholson2115 Cry harder, Brexshitting scµm. 😂 😂
Bloomberg calculation from spring 2023: UK loses 100 billion pounds a year due to brexit.
A lot of "work for free" to done.
You do good work Femi!
Tories and Brexiteers know they don't stand a chance debating you. You know your brief and dont get flustered
Ha ha! If he debates with me, as a Leaver, he will find himself arguing against the European Union! I know what's in their treaties, documents and declarations, and he either does not know or he's lying to you by not telling you what's in them. So if he takes me on, he'll get destroyed.
Femi is great. We need leaders like him to take us forward.
Great interview. Thank you.
A very good interview and analysis such that I almost warmed to Iain Dale but Femi, as always, was at the top of his game in his rationale and explanations; Brexiteers wither when confronted with demonstrable facts.
Iain is definitely reconsidering. He was also quite self deprecating about his Brexit vote in a recent panel discussion (I can remember Stella Creasy was on the panel, didn't recognise the others)
@@markwelch3564 It's a pity so many have had to suffer to change the minds of a vocal minority who used their agency to do so much damage.
Oh, it's demonstrable facts you want, is it? Crikey - from a Remoaner too! Please tell us what you know about EU fiscal union, EU economic union, EU political union, the unification of member states' armed forces at the command of the European Council, the reckless EU expansionism across Eastern Europe and the unfettered migration into the EU from North Africa and the Middle East. It shouldn't take you long.
@@SJG-nr8uj Compassionate leave for Christmas?
@@Kian2002 Here is your homework. 1. The Lisbon Treaty (economic union/unified armed forces). 2. The EU Five Presidents' Report 2015 (fiscal union, leading to economic union, leading to political unification). 3. The European Union Global Strategy, 30th June 2016 (the right of the EU's military "to act autonomously if and when necessary"). 4. The EU Rome Declaration, 25th March 2017 (Economic union reaffirmed, with a preferred deadline of ten years for its completion, ie. by 2027). 5. The European Council's Military Command and Control Structures document, 23rd April 2019, outlining the EU's military command structure over member states' land, sea and air forces. 6. The ECB's 'Fiscal Implications of the EU Recovery Package', 2020, advocating getting economic union back on track post-pandemic. 7. Inward migration from Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, the Palestine Authority, Israel, Lebanon, Syria and Turkey as per the Euro-Mediterranean Partnership, enacted from 2010. You are excused not knowing about the latter agreement, because they kept it a secret, but the rest are all in the public domain. So why don't you know about them seven-and-a-half years after the referendum, and fifteen years after the Lisbon Treaty came into effect? You have no excuses left.
37% voted to leave Europe but the 35% who voted to remain and 28% who did not vote are now paying the price of a binary Yes/No vote to a complex question. Also mention UK Citizens in EU at the time who were not allowed to vote.
British people didn’t (and some still don’t) understand the impact of Brexit because they were lied to by a pro brexit government and a xenophobic and jingoistic media that deliberately associated refugees from outside EU with movement of labour.
Can you please tell us what you know about EU fiscal union, EU economic union, EU political union, the unification of member states' armed forces at the command of the European Council, the reckless EU expansionism across Eastern Europe and the unfettered migration into the EU from North Africa and the Middle East. It shouldn't take you long.
Well, maybe the 28% will get its @ss off the couch and act in its own best interests next time. Ah, but what am I saying? There's no "next time". That was it, and they stayed home playing Grand Theft Auto instead of taking half an hour out of their lives to secure their own future. Sucks to be them, I guess.
Your passion, diligence and tenacity are important and inspiring. Thank you for everything that you do Femi! ✊🏽😎👍🏽
You cannot put a price on blue passports and bendy bananas.
Can you please tell us what you know about EU fiscal union, EU economic union, EU political union, the unification of member states' armed forces at the command of the European Council, the reckless EU expansionism across Eastern Europe and the unfettered migration into the EU from North Africa and the Middle East. All the stuff that Femi refuses to tell you about.
Brexit is the extraordinary belief that the most pernicious politicians for the most selfish motives will somehow work for the benefit of all.😏
Please tell us what you know about EU fiscal union, EU economic union, EU political union, the unification of member states' armed forces at the command of the European Council, the reckless EU expansionism across Eastern Europe and the unfettered migration into the EU from North Africa and the Middle East. It shouldn't take you long.
I was born in the UK, but I've only ever known myself as a European ?! Period.
Well as you were born in the UK and the UK is part of the European continent that's not at all surprising, but being born in the UK and the UK being part of the British isles also means you've always been British! Also as the UK and Europe are both on the planet Earth makes you a lifelong Earthman too! Or Earthwoman! depending on your gender preferences.
@@tomnicholson2115 It certainly does, it certainly does! :-)
Alan engages with reason and has no answers. Ok apology needed from the chump.
Femi nailed it.
What a very intelligent young man here. Dale talking about making the right decisions but can't actually name them is classic Dale.
Ian Dale's tone has changed. I wonder if he's ready to admit brexit was a mistake?
Not yet, but I feel he's getting there!
The TRUTH when delivered competently is IRRESISTABLE - Ian realised that there was no point spouting the propaganda lines.
YOU ARE SPOT ON FEMI.
Great show. Well-done ❤❤❤
If there is another vote, can we get this guy to lead the rejoin campaign.
Politicians are like a General fighting the last war
That’s how the Brexit debate should have been all along.. God bless you Femi for your compassion and commitment in fighting the greatest tragedy to befall this nation..
It's not a tragedy. It's a deliverance from the giant, duplicitous, megalomaniac scam. And you can thank us later.
An unelected PM appoints a new Lord who quit when he lost, to implement the betrayal.
He's right but no rational person could think it was democratic.
Imagine we’d had corbyns national investment bank and his publicly owned broadband service.
Excellent conversation. Thank you. As an American who tries to keep at least some kind of tab on what is going with our friends across the pond, this was very illuminating.
But Femi, what about the sovereignty?!?
The idea we've failed to grasp the Brexit opportunities without naming a single opportunity was he best argument.
...we do NOT want you lot back...period...
Thanks as a British voter that wanted Brexit to happen, I'm very happy to hear that 😊
Don’t blame you after this terrible Tory governments antics!
there will be no Swiss deal. EU ruled that out already.
Norway will block EFTA membership of UK.
So the only option is to apply for candidate EU membership and accept ALL EU rules and ECJ as well as the Euro currencies.
Oh, by the way. Turkey applied in 1987 EU membership and failed the test, like UK will.
And do not forget that several sovereign EU countries will veto UK back in EU
Greece wants the Elgin marbles back. Despite being snubbed by Sunak. And they have the veto
I honestly think that's where the current loan agreement is heading. We'll get used to them sometimes being in Greece, and then one day we'll just not bother with the hassle of another move from Greece to the UK
The EU is moving towards more use of qualified majority voting.
unfortunately I have to agree with you.
Rubbish, the UK needs to regain its integrity, so that the EU wants the UK back in the Single Market. Then it will find a way. (And anyone who acually believes that the EU ruling out something logical and beneficial, is anything more than a negotiating tactic, to prevent time wasters and present a stronger starting poing, must be as gullible as a Brexiteer. And have a short memory)
There's no argument presented. All hypothesis, anecdotal and pub talk
What a brilliant, plain-language, coherent series of arguments - a pleasure to listen to.
"I know I'm splitting hairs" - no, Ian, you are saying exactly the same thing but with different words so why even bring it up? Typical tory.
Great work Femi. Thoughtful stuff.
Disingenuous! And he knows it.
If only our politicians were as articulate and honest as you are.
The interviewer's voice is exactly the same as Kier Starmer.
I cannot work out why someone like Ian Dale who I have always considered to be smart is in consistent denial over Bexit and when asked recently said he would still vote for it. I can only assume because he has not been directly affected by it.
A posh accent does not make you intelligent.
Fair point @@terryfinnie2146
There is a socialist argument for leaving the EU. Based on the right to run publicly-owned services rather than privatizing everything.
My understanding is a member state can still run publicly-owned services if they choose to@@AtheistEve
It's the deep rooted anglophone classism and tribalism make people blind
I don’t feel well I actually agreed with something Ian Dale said 😱 Tony Blair should have taken us into the Euro in his first term.
Maybe the penny dropped with Dale when he speculated that no politician cares about the UK. As far as the Tory party are concerned that has been apparent since 2010 and arguably since 1979, as far as labour are concerned we will have to wait and see but history rather indicates that the do care.
Perfectly put Femi - every single point.
It is inevitable and the voice of the young, who will suffer most from Brexit, should be heard. The reasons for Brexit are now proved to be lies and truth should prevail
It is ironic that the least democratic country in the EU left because it considered Europe undemocratic. As membership cost less than the price of a decent gym, less then £200, I would be happy to pay that considering the benefits I would receive.
Nice one mate - even Iain Dale could come up with a Brexit benefit !
Why would we take back those who insulted us, made us poorer, made us lose time and ultimately left us ? On your knees ! Greetings from the main land.
Dale is a....fiend
Never mind the youth, I’m 61 and leaving made me sick at how ignorant my country was in making that decision based on lies
Me too…..😢
58 and I feel the same.
UK MP’s are not prepared to admit the terrible mistake we were conned into leaving.
Great take mate, I will be here welcoming you all with open arms!
Irishman here. Please don't rejoin the EU so more companies that are headquartered in the UK will move over to us. Thanks Nigel!!!!
And how is Ireland doing nowadays? How’s housing affordability for young people?
@@J1M1F terrible! But still in a better position long term than you lot hahaha 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😜😉😜😜😜😂
Femi telling the truth as always.
Why would the EU want the UK back?