The Idol: A Boring Attempt At Being Provocative

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    0:00 Intro
    1:11 Troubled Production
    5:47 The Show
    23:08 The Sam Levinson Problem
    32:35 The Finale
    47:58 Conclusion
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  • @RB-vo4gi
    @RB-vo4gi Před 10 měsíci +6615

    The fact that this story switched from a tale of “women being abused in Hollywood” to “women are lying about being abused, really enjoy being abused, and the men were the victims the whole time” tells me everything I need to know about the show runner and the Weekend.

    • @andredetoni897
      @andredetoni897 Před 10 měsíci +586

      Right? And knowing that the Weekend bitched about how the show was going previously because wanted HIM to be more important but was happy with this shit is ludicrous. The original idea pitched by the weekend seemed so cool and touched on an important topic, and the way it was going was good and logical. It all made me really dislike the weekend

    • @megkrish7568
      @megkrish7568 Před 10 měsíci +313

      @@andredetoni897 Yea I previously had no feelings about the weekend but now I have 0 respect for the guy

    • @peaceflowerstudios6833
      @peaceflowerstudios6833 Před 10 měsíci +253

      He exposed himself as a misogynist a long time ago, but it took me this long to notice that :(

    • @jimerodriguez8332
      @jimerodriguez8332 Před 10 měsíci

      The show really said: Bitches lie🤷🏽‍♀️

    • @thejaded
      @thejaded Před 10 měsíci +2

      They could've had something compelling and very impactful lol.. I fail to understand how even after all these years, we still get dog shit like this show..

  • @oliviamayer24601
    @oliviamayer24601 Před 10 měsíci +10091

    The fact that Sam Levinson thinks women empowerment only comes from an abused woman being “in control” is deeply disturbing

    • @johanaforever965
      @johanaforever965 Před 10 měsíci +462

      Just like Maddy from Euphoria

    • @oliviamayer24601
      @oliviamayer24601 Před 10 měsíci +596

      @@johanaforever965 and Cassie, Jules, Kat, and all of his female characters. It’s so gross

    • @waterpillar1977
      @waterpillar1977 Před 10 měsíci +186

      ​@@oliviamayer24601and highly suspect

    • @Tetrathegod
      @Tetrathegod Před 10 měsíci +22

      Woman empowerment 😂😂😂😂😂

    • @ma.2089
      @ma.2089 Před 10 měsíci +1

      A lot of ppl’s idea of women empowerment is just the worst.
      One thing I’ve noticed is that ppl hate abused women. They’re all “weak”. Even if a woman (or man, since this is also partly cuz ppl hate abused ppl as a whole) is able to overcome what’s happened to them, or survive through it, they’re weak. Abused women aren’t empowered women whatsoever. The only way they’re “empowered” is if they are able to escape on their own (not always possible) or walk it off like nothing a happened (unrealistic), they’re weak.
      That’s why we see so many ppl mock the story of Cinderella for example, and call her a weak character. Disney especially does it.

  • @HarveMoone
    @HarveMoone Před 10 měsíci +4222

    Sam Levinson’s track record with placing (fictionalized) minors in overly sexual situations and then writing the minors to be like “I’m so happy and okay with this and am in complete control and totally consenting :D!” Needs to be INVESTIGATED

    • @boniboni4912
      @boniboni4912 Před 10 měsíci +41

      Yep

    • @HarveMoone
      @HarveMoone Před 10 měsíci +165

      @@tealishpotato that’s Riverdale guy right? Gods he’s so creepy.

    • @IzzysTravelDiaries
      @IzzysTravelDiaries Před 10 měsíci +87

      Giving me Woody Allen vibes.

    • @luxgh
      @luxgh Před 10 měsíci +208

      Yeah, like that thing he did with the character Maddy, she had sex with a 43 year old guy when she was 14 but it's okay because she was the one in control 🤪

    • @HarveMoone
      @HarveMoone Před 10 měsíci +105

      @@luxgh I feel eerily like that was a fucking self report

  • @LoucheWoman
    @LoucheWoman Před 9 měsíci +1425

    The twist isn't about empowering women. It's about blaming women for men's bad behavior.

    • @zogwort1522
      @zogwort1522 Před 8 měsíci +41

      It's about victim-blaming gaslighters for lovebombing valid narcissists with microagressions and triggering trauma optics.

    • @icravedeath.1200
      @icravedeath.1200 Před 4 měsíci +2

      ​@@zogwort1522I'm sorry but could you explain that a bit clearer I don't understand it.

    • @icravedeath.1200
      @icravedeath.1200 Před 4 měsíci +2

      @@zogwort1522 oh ok

    • @DarlingMissDarling
      @DarlingMissDarling Před 3 měsíci

      ​I can probably translate. Sounds like someone who unironically complains about things being "woke" why also foaming at the mouth about how many women falsify r*pe/SA allegations, etc. Very edgelord redditor-esque lol

    • @DarlingMissDarling
      @DarlingMissDarling Před 3 měsíci

      ​@@icravedeath.1200 ​I can probably translate. Sounds like someone who unironically complains about things being "woke" why also foaming at the mouth about how many women falsify r*pe/SA allegations, etc. Very edgelord redditor-esque lol

  • @ladygaygay94
    @ladygaygay94 Před 10 měsíci +6428

    Abel and Sam really took a show about a young women falling prey to the evil and insidious side of the music industry and said “but like……what if she was the abuser all along? And the sex trafficker cult leader? Yeah, he was her victim”
    *Absolute clowns*

    • @ironmaster6496
      @ironmaster6496 Před 10 měsíci +375

      I remember reading about that on twitter and was like WOW.....just WOW, some people really REALLY want to justify their effed up morals or fetishes don't they

    • @jimmylu1352
      @jimmylu1352 Před 10 měsíci +233

      They basically said what if she likes getting abused because that helps her with her "art" and their idea of making a song better is just add more Jocelyn's moaning and getting beaten...

    • @taylorgayhart9497
      @taylorgayhart9497 Před 10 měsíci +266

      This is why I am so fucking sick of men thinking they should be telling women’s stories about be abused or exploited!! They have had plenty of chances and never done it right, they can stop now!!

    • @thekage100
      @thekage100 Před 10 měsíci +61

      @@taylorgayhart9497 Agree! So gross..almost wanna spam HBO messages to stop givin Levinson soon much dirty work!!!!!!!!!!

    • @snkybrki
      @snkybrki Před 10 měsíci +27

      ​@@taylorgayhart9497 I'm pretty sick of dumbass directors fucking up stories about women being exploited too, but I don't think gatekeeping who can tell what is the play. Between this & cuties, there's been just...what...two? Shows/movies that dropped the ball.
      I don't think that's a good sample size.

  • @dosuald
    @dosuald Před 10 měsíci +2305

    as a brazilian reviewer/critic said: the show sounds like it was written by a 14 year old who just discovered pornography and wrote a fanfic to impress his friends on how edgy he is

  • @imawitchwithab2395
    @imawitchwithab2395 Před 10 měsíci +1238

    If you think about it, what happened to The Idol is literally what Amy Seimetz was trying to portray in the show.

    • @Lulu-ew7oh
      @Lulu-ew7oh Před 10 měsíci +127

      Ironic isn’t it

    • @johnjoseph6874
      @johnjoseph6874 Před 8 měsíci +66

      It was Sam Levinson’s plan all along. The man is such a genius storyteller who pushes the boundaries and thinks outside the box 🤪

    • @urmomlover_1
      @urmomlover_1 Před 5 měsíci +8

      You don’t even have to think about it, it’s just so clear 🤦🏻‍♀️

    • @MarloSoBalJr
      @MarloSoBalJr Před 5 měsíci +6

      Maybe this would be the source material for an adaptation.
      Would be an amazing paradox

    • @swearimnotarobot3746
      @swearimnotarobot3746 Před 4 měsíci +6

      @@MarloSoBalJrI was thinking the same thing. If they make a show based on this to show how bad it is, it would just end up being the original idea.

  • @skyz7194
    @skyz7194 Před 10 měsíci +1170

    it would’ve been interesting if the twist was actually flipped around. Jocelyn thinking she’s in control of everyone around her throughout the beginnings of the show and then the second half of the show is that she’s been manipulated and gaslit this entire time into believing she was taking control of her career and her life but it was actually the other way around. Would’ve been a great commentary on how Hollywood has taken young stars when they’re at their most naive and then they’ve had to fight to truly take control of their career and its creative direction

    • @dee.9273
      @dee.9273 Před 10 měsíci +152

      you think sam can think all that lmao?

    • @valeriarossini543
      @valeriarossini543 Před 9 měsíci +88

      this is such a good idea! It's sad that we could have had an interesting show but we ended up with another mediocre big-budget vanity project

    • @teal_m_101
      @teal_m_101 Před 9 měsíci +55

      ​@@dee.9273'Bu-but... where the smex scenes?'

  • @trinaq
    @trinaq Před 10 měsíci +4324

    Chloe being underage had no real bearing on the plot. And even worse, they had just showed her naked after revealing that she was only 17. Why does Sam Levinson sexualise teenagers so much?!

    • @prettyface146
      @prettyface146 Před 10 měsíci +484

      They actually showed her naked *before* revealing she was only 17, which somehow makes it worse in my opinion

    • @plentyofmalk9130
      @plentyofmalk9130 Před 10 měsíci +612

      Made me look at Euphoria differently and plot lines like Maddy losing her virginity at 14 to a grown ass man but 'being the one in control' REALLY stand out.

    • @ironmaster6496
      @ironmaster6496 Před 10 měsíci +249

      Same thing they did in Transformers 4, seriously WHY?????? why give an adult actress specifically the role of a minor if you are going to sexualize the sht out of her?

    • @Ashbrash1998
      @Ashbrash1998 Před 10 měsíci +265

      They didn't even have to make her character be 17, like they could have just told us she has been under Tedros's thumb since she was like a teenager. And it would have the same affect on the plot

    • @dosuald
      @dosuald Před 10 měsíci +138

      he tried to write a "loli" character just for his kinks

  • @crimson_sky
    @crimson_sky Před 10 měsíci +4874

    So a man wanted to use the exploitation of women in the entertainment industry for his own gain, but when it actually focused on the problems that women face, his Itty Bitty masculine pride got hurt and completely ditched the ‘feminist’ outlook for fetishization and sexual abuse. *SHOCKING*

    • @nemonobody88
      @nemonobody88 Před 10 měsíci +97

      I am shooketh!

    • @chunellemariavictoriaespan8752
      @chunellemariavictoriaespan8752 Před 10 měsíci +194

      ​@@nemonobody88Yup... Made me dislike The Weeknd as a person...

    • @furioussherman7265
      @furioussherman7265 Před 10 měsíci +92

      It's even more so if you've paid attention to the lyrics of his songs over the years.

    • @benjaminjenkins394
      @benjaminjenkins394 Před 10 měsíci +24

      Yeah, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday wild for that. 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️ It’s pretty disturbing 😳

    • @killyourdarlings1305
      @killyourdarlings1305 Před 10 měsíci +76

      ​@@furioussherman7265I never looked at him the same after he wrote that lyric about fucking a bi girl straight. People forgot about that too quickly.

  • @flaurehn
    @flaurehn Před 8 měsíci +323

    After reading Petra Collins story about her being dropped of Euphoria dspite being the main inspiration for the series I can only conclude that Sam Levinson is just a hack whose modus operandi is stealing creative ideas from women just to kick them off the projects with the objective of pornify them.

    • @margarethmichelina5146
      @margarethmichelina5146 Před 4 měsíci +27

      Also, Barbie Ferrera (Kat) is quitting Euphoria as she's also tired for being potrayed as stereotypical "plus size character" and even had a feud with Sam. That's why in Season 2, Kat doesn't have much screen time as she was in Season 1 and she won't be back for Season 3. Also, after the sudden death of Angus Cloud (Fez) and because of Writer's Strike this year, I think Season 3 is gonna be the last season of Euphoria as the actors are gonna be on their 30's and too old to potray teenagers anymore since Season 3 is taking so long for releasing in 2025 Hell, even Alexa Demie (Maddie) is 33 in real life and Zendaya playing as teenager for a decade either in TV and movies, she is 27 now.

  • @SabrinaRene4565
    @SabrinaRene4565 Před 6 měsíci +47

    “He’s so rapey” “yeah i kinda like that about him” WHAT? SAM LEVINSON? WHAT?

    • @constancep7632
      @constancep7632 Před 3 měsíci +1

      WoMeN aRe AtTrAcTeD tO dAnGeRoUs MeN!!1! 🙃

  • @majamatejic9235
    @majamatejic9235 Před 10 měsíci +413

    The "she was the villain all along" twist has the same energy as writing "it was all a dream" at the end of an essay

  • @machodgdon
    @machodgdon Před 10 měsíci +5874

    So am I the only one who stayed true to their word and didn’t watch this show?

    • @FuzzyKittenBoots
      @FuzzyKittenBoots Před 10 měsíci +391

      I did! I stayed true!!

    • @yearlywise8003
      @yearlywise8003 Před 10 měsíci +205

      I also stayed true :)

    • @javierlopez9789
      @javierlopez9789 Před 10 měsíci +283

      I didnt watch this weird Britney spears biopic fanfic either

    • @trinaq
      @trinaq Před 10 měsíci +181

      I didn't either, yet I saw some clips online, and that was enough to turn me off it altogether.

    • @JECorbett
      @JECorbett Před 10 měsíci +47

      I also stayed true.

  • @manulouve4478
    @manulouve4478 Před 10 měsíci +531

    I can only think of how disgusted the original producer must feel about this whole thing, the story she made so twisted and miles away from what she wanted to make, it makes me feel so very sad for her (I completely forgot her name, I'm sorry)

    • @OverAnalyst
      @OverAnalyst Před 9 měsíci +37

      Amy Seimetz, yeah. Prolly full "Look how they massacred my boy!" Hope it helps seeing ppl loathe this version #ReleaseTheSeimetzCut

  • @aochel4
    @aochel4 Před 9 měsíci +49

    “The Jake Paul of filmmaking” has to be the best description of Sam Levinson I’ve ever heard

  • @emsssx0688
    @emsssx0688 Před 10 měsíci +4677

    this show is an example of why good writers are needed in the entertainment industry

    • @airplanes_aren.t_real
      @airplanes_aren.t_real Před 10 měsíci +287

      This makes me realize that the writers are less so writers and more so "groups of people desperately trying to filter out the stupid ideas of the director before the deadline"

    • @jessip8654
      @jessip8654 Před 10 měsíci +145

      I wouldn't put this one on the writers. They fired the first director and brought on Sam Levinson, who decided to completely gut the show. From old Twitter posts it seems the original idea for the show was something closer to the book "I'm Glad my Mom Died," which is about Jennette McCurdy's less-than-ideal life growing up as a child star, her toxic relationship with her mother, and how traumatic it all was.

    • @papervulture
      @papervulture Před 10 měsíci +47

      ​@@airplanes_aren.t_realadd on drastically shortened deadlines, tiny writers rooms & shows getting cut (to avoid actually paying creators, of course) & shit starts to make a lot more sense lmfao

    • @Shockguey
      @Shockguey Před 10 měsíci +8

      @@jessip8654 See that's actually pretty cool. That book was great and confirmed everything I suspected about Angelino men.

    • @aandwdabest
      @aandwdabest Před 10 měsíci +14

      And good on them for striking.

  • @katyak5664
    @katyak5664 Před 10 měsíci +811

    When a dude keeps telling stories based on the premise, "what if the victim was lying about the abuse to get attention," it's time to cover your drink and locate the exit doors.

  • @makq00
    @makq00 Před 9 měsíci +93

    the finale feels like sam levinson’s attempt at pointing the finger at “crazy girls” and giving validity to the whole “my ex was a crazy manipulator and a bitch” stereotype and it was just so disappointing for an already horrible show. it feels like sam saying, “look, she really was crazy and lying to manipulate you! women are crazy!” and it’s just so tired at this point.

  • @mirtesangen690
    @mirtesangen690 Před 10 měsíci +240

    The idol indeed covers everything wrong with the entertainment industry for young women, just not the way it intended too. It's being outsmarted by its own many flaws.

  • @Forestfreud
    @Forestfreud Před 10 měsíci +2117

    I think it’s honestly really revealing that the “twist” is that Jocelyn faked all the abuse from her mother and was secretly somehow manipulating Tedros into abusing her to “further her career.” Whoever wrote that must be the type of person that accuses women of lying for personal gain when they come forward with abuse allegations in spite of the fact that nothing was personally gained nor was there ever a chance that that would happen. Jocelyn is the result of men taking a complicated, messy female character and trying to rewrite her themselves while also ACTIVELY avoiding “the female perspective,” AKA the entire fucking point of having a female main character. The ego involved in these creative decisions is incomprehensible.

    • @MichaSennin
      @MichaSennin Před 10 měsíci +51

      I think this show is way too Meta for all the wrong reasons. I dont think its only a fetish or something from the producer and writers, i truly believe that this story steamed from a truth that is an open secret in Hollywood, still today.
      Agree regardless of what you wrote.

    • @125loopy
      @125loopy Před 10 měsíci +113

      They thought " she's manipulating Tedros into abusing her" made sense. Shame on them.

    • @Lissa2355
      @Lissa2355 Před 10 měsíci +89

      I meeeeean, it IS directed by the guy that used fake r*pe allegations of a minor as a plot point in Euphoria...

    • @BooksRebound
      @BooksRebound Před 10 měsíci +17

      I think people are misreading that ending. She obviously didn't lie about the abuse. Because the people around her saw and remember it. Maybe she lied to Tedros about the specifics in order to manipulate him, idk, but it's clear that she didn't just make it all up and I can't fathom why people keep saying that.
      Also, you could easily read it as her outgrowing her abuse. She bought a new hairbrush because she no longer wants to hold on to the symbol of the abuse that she suffered at the hands of her mother.
      The writing is super incoherent so I guess I get people's confusion, but she definitely didn't make up all the abuse.

    • @ma.2089
      @ma.2089 Před 10 měsíci +81

      @@BooksRebound if the writing is so incoherent and bad that ppl could be THAT confused about the ending of the show, and misunderstand it THAT bad…they’ve truly reached a new low in storytelling.

  • @nervousbreakdown711
    @nervousbreakdown711 Před 10 měsíci +2310

    It will never not be hilarious to me that Abel was upset that the show was so fixated on the female perspective, meanwhile, Barbie is the highest grossing film in 2023 and its literally: “The Female Perspective Movie”

    • @actually_curious4773
      @actually_curious4773 Před 10 měsíci +401

      surprise surprise women have purchasing power now and you can cater to them and still make money as long as your products are not godawful! who knew

    • @nervousbreakdown711
      @nervousbreakdown711 Před 10 měsíci +226

      @@actually_curious4773 apparently not Abel

    • @ishathakor
      @ishathakor Před 10 měsíci +350

      also it's a show with a female main character? of course it should be about the female perspective???

    • @airplanes_aren.t_real
      @airplanes_aren.t_real Před 10 měsíci +134

      This reminds me of how every time a female character has a muscular body type the producers try their hardest to take it out of the film until everyone likes the character and they pretend to having made the character themselves

    • @michelcomenta
      @michelcomenta Před 10 měsíci +76

      Sam and Tedros Weekend would never be Greta and Margot.

  • @shrewii666
    @shrewii666 Před 7 měsíci +86

    I hate when a male director takes over a female director’s project, one that is written from the female perspective on a female experience and completely rewrites and ruins it. (Same thing happened with Brave).

    • @devonmunn5728
      @devonmunn5728 Před 5 měsíci +3

      Brave as in the Disney movie?

    • @shrewii666
      @shrewii666 Před 5 měsíci +18

      @@devonmunn5728 Yes, it had a female director that wanted to focus on a fraught mother-daughter relationship (with the bear aspect included). This is seen in the first 20 minutes of the film. But a male director came in and scraped the emotional arc of the mother and daughter and just made it a silly movie of a woman turning into a bear. Again, a female director writing on the female experience and having the story rewritten and ruined by a male director.

    • @helloill672
      @helloill672 Před 5 měsíci

      ​@@devonmunn5728 Technically it's a Pixar movie

    • @BratzRockAngels
      @BratzRockAngels Před 3 měsíci +1

      ​@@shrewii666Brave had a really good and interesting beginning. I still like the movie but the whole film would've been perfect had they went a different route and not the Bear route. Turning Red uses the Bear concept better actually cause Mei being a Bear heavily plays into her identity and her relationship and connection with her mother, and it plays into her metaphorical acceptance and the generational hardships of her mother and past relationships.

  • @Rachopin77
    @Rachopin77 Před 9 měsíci +61

    As an artist, I find the whole trope of “I need to be in gross and toxic situations and also abuse people and be under the influence of something to have inspiration to create art”…. Extremely pedestrian. I enjoy my vices as much as the next woman, but…. I’m a professional doing a job. No I can’t be doing that while I work. And no, I don’t make better art when I’m depressed.

    • @magical571
      @magical571 Před 4 měsíci +7

      i know right? it fetichises four things at once, mental health, abuse, women and artists. PRetty tired of that artist stereotype. Sure, pain is ONE source of emotion, and art can be expressive of said emotions, but you don't have to be on the verge of breaking down to get inspired. You can just as well find inspiration anywhere really, just having a walk, or in daily life. Not that there is anything wrong with those specific emotions, or art that is inspired by them, but seriously, it almost always feel like in media it's portrayed in a fetichistic or even lazy way by people whom i would like to ask, are you looking for a sub goth girlfriend or what?.

  • @edgarallenhoe3518
    @edgarallenhoe3518 Před 10 měsíci +986

    The sexually abused young woman was the secret manipulative puppetmaster all along? How original.

    • @ninab.4540
      @ninab.4540 Před 10 měsíci +86

      Someone needs to tell people that *you are not supposed to sympathise with Lolita's abuser*

    • @johanaforever965
      @johanaforever965 Před 10 měsíci +1

      Sam Levinson really thought he made the next Gone Girl with a mix of Basic Instinct, but dude, you just make an another edgy shitshow that only please people who are under 15.

    • @MissCaraMint
      @MissCaraMint Před 10 měsíci +26

      @ninab.4540 Yes exactly. The book is supposed to be the exploration of the mind of a monster. The writers of this show clearly needs this explained to them.

  • @alex.k.7027
    @alex.k.7027 Před 10 měsíci +2646

    I don't see people talk about it enough, but that cult girl who framed Rob for rape together with Xander isn't the first time when Sam Levinson uses one of his female characters for this exact set up, the other time was with Maddy in "Euphoria" who ruined a guy's life to keep Nate out of trouble. Looks like a pattern at this point, and not a good one.

    • @Ashbrash1998
      @Ashbrash1998 Před 10 měsíci +251

      It is weird how they include that but then quickly drop it like it wasn't a big thing. Like with this, there would have been an investigation and etc

    • @purrgundy
      @purrgundy Před 10 měsíci +188

      ​@ashbenamti9490 A plot device having consequences on the plot/characters?! Sam Levinson could never

    • @erzsebetkovacs2527
      @erzsebetkovacs2527 Před 10 měsíci

      Toxic shite is what it is. Some men have been complaining about allegedly false rape allegations by women, ever since MeToo started, and now there's a TV show to reinforce this harmful idea in the minds of the public.

    • @karakat-wt8pw
      @karakat-wt8pw Před 10 měsíci +36

      its like he was confused of how he wanted to aint maddy, at one point he wanted her to be like the mean girl, then the next some kind of control girl then the other abused girl. Then its kind of bad how Sydney was the only one who was naked mostly.

    • @spectre9340
      @spectre9340 Před 10 měsíci +148

      Not making any actual accusations towards Sam Levinson but it's really worrying how a lot of his works include things like underaged female characters being in sexual relationships with adult men, a lot of sexualized teenaged girls, abused young women, these same abused women being framed as the ones "in control", women lying about their abuse or SA, the male abuser being framed as the "real victim", etc.

  • @avadarkness666
    @avadarkness666 Před 10 měsíci +247

    Can we start a 'Release the s
    Seimetz Cut' campaign?? I would love to see what this show was supposed to be before it got sleazed up and dumbed down.
    The original premise was intriguing.
    That original cast was wonderful.
    Lily's acting is really good, even when given almost nothing to do.
    It's sad. The Idol could have been a great show.

  • @morbid_curiosity
    @morbid_curiosity Před 9 měsíci +109

    The “twist”, if you can even call it that, to me reads as an excuse to make the abuse she endures seem not as gross or uncomfortable. Almost like they’re trying to say, “see! She planned all this so she wasn’t ACTUALLY being abused and mistreated” as a way to dismiss the criticism. As a woman myself who’s experienced multiple forms of abuse, it makes my skin crawl. Especially given Levinson’s track record of writing female characters.
    Also, the underlying tone of a woman lying about her abuse and being manipulative to get what she wants just feels so disgusting. It’s really harmful to push that narrative and I’m not convinced it wasn’t intentional. No hate to the cast but learning all this about Levinson makes me glad this show was so poorly received. Thankfully I never watched it myself and now I definitely have no plans to ever watch it. Wish we could’ve gotten the original vision for the show cause it sounded really good with a lot of passion behind it. What we got was borderline gratuitous soft core torture porn.

  • @kristamottisenkangas9496
    @kristamottisenkangas9496 Před 10 měsíci +564

    As much as I hate the whole "Jocelyn was secretly the villain all along" thing in it's entirety, there is nothing I hate more about this show than the implication that she was "manipulating Tedros into abusing her". Whoever came up with that is an absolute creep. You literally CAN'T trick someone into becoming an abuser. Tedros made that desicion 100 % on his own. It doesn't matter if she "actually wanted it" or if she "lied about being previously abused and in a vulnerable position (which 🤮 on the writer's part by the way), or anything like that. What matters is that he was abusing someone, he was praying on someone he at the very least thought was in an incredibly vulnerable position for his own gain and sexual gratification. There is absolutely NO JUSTIFYING any of that and shame on anyone who thinks there is!

  • @coss1
    @coss1 Před 10 měsíci +1170

    The Weeknd WAS NOT fine. We just have to agree to disagree. I thought his performance was downright atrocious.

    • @ALIEN-DUDE
      @ALIEN-DUDE Před 10 měsíci +181

      I agree, it was embarrassing and I like the weeknds music.

    • @livcaitbff
      @livcaitbff Před 10 měsíci +195

      It was made worse by the fact that everyone else around him gave great performances, while he’s so bad. So he looks even worse in comparison

    • @TalkSickMass
      @TalkSickMass Před 10 měsíci +35

      The only scene he was good in was the dinner scene pressing Jocelyn about her "past". His performance as Tedros was just awful as there are many actors who can do a better job than Abel.

    • @jasmeetk0
      @jasmeetk0 Před 10 měsíci +1

      ​@@livcaitbffhe way you word that reminded me of oshi no ko

    • @actually_curious4773
      @actually_curious4773 Před 10 měsíci

      He was so unbelievable as this dangerous cult guy. Looked and acted more like a petulant baby.

  • @Amina_Khalkhal
    @Amina_Khalkhal Před 9 měsíci +323

    In a very strange way, the original message about how women are treated in Hollywood still works.
    But instead of getting it from the series, we get it from how Amy Simons was cast out from the project to be replaced by a man, mostly because the series was too "female centered".
    It's kind of sad to realize that the original show's dark tone would've probably come out of real experiences that Miss Simons has been through inside the cinema industy.
    But instead, she was silenced, and the story she wrote to express herself was vanished, being reduced to a weird sexual fantasy using dark plot points as a cheap excuse to make it happen....
    This sad context around this shitty series just prooves MIss Simons' point...
    I don't know if I should laugh or cry... heh... let's do both!
    Let's laugh at Sam Levinson for being such a bad writter and let's cry for Amy Simons for not being able to express herself!

  • @cardiganweather
    @cardiganweather Před 10 měsíci +141

    I've watched videos from multiple creators about this show and somehow there's still always something new and disturbing to learn.

  • @selmadjeziri8285
    @selmadjeziri8285 Před 10 měsíci +1627

    Jocelyn being the villain is like Dan being Gossip Girl, you see them be the victims when nobody's around but somehow they were manipulating. A desperate attempt to fool the audience, you can do that with actual good writing Sam.

    • @eneyavorodecky
      @eneyavorodecky Před 10 měsíci +17

      She is not the villian tho? It's supposed to be that she is not the victim. Very different things. (sarcasm)

    • @dealerpluses
      @dealerpluses Před 10 měsíci +24

      Yeaha but GG actually had character arc and their motivations and story conclusions were better written, focusing on wealth genuinely rather than using it to shock or stimulate the audience to make the show feel edgy

    • @eneyavorodecky
      @eneyavorodecky Před 10 měsíci +2

      @@dealerpluses sure but that... makes TI even worse. 😂

    • @selmadjeziri8285
      @selmadjeziri8285 Před 10 měsíci +6

      @@eneyavorodecky I bet this is what Levinson wanted to do 🥴

    • @eneyavorodecky
      @eneyavorodecky Před 10 měsíci +12

      @@selmadjeziri8285 honestly, I have no clue, because the end result is such mess, we have no clue how to read it in any way that is NOT nonsense.

  • @shantanunish955
    @shantanunish955 Před 10 měsíci +436

    The show really really feels like it's written by someone who would say "metoo was the worst thing to ever happen"

    • @spectre9340
      @spectre9340 Před 10 měsíci +74

      Ikr? Like, the only people who would complain about MeToo are the people that cause things like MeToo to happen in the first place

    • @thelastjerkbender2505
      @thelastjerkbender2505 Před 10 měsíci +44

      Yeah exactly. Like they would say something like: "MeToo ruined dating and sex for men".

    • @davidhimmelfahrt3732
      @davidhimmelfahrt3732 Před 10 měsíci +2

      @@spectre9340 so you are saying that male individuals who never raped or assaulted female individuals, aren't able to find the Metoo movement flawed?

    • @medealkemy
      @medealkemy Před 10 měsíci +4

      Either they have skeletons in their closets, or they wished they had some. Really disgusting

  • @everetsutton1377
    @everetsutton1377 Před 9 měsíci +24

    The way Dyanne and Xanders characters were basically just to show off that they could cast famous singers makes me so mad. Like there was so much that could've been done with Joss vs Dyanne or Xander taking down Joss while working on the inside

  • @user-vj6ws1op4u
    @user-vj6ws1op4u Před 10 měsíci +9

    "Who do you answer to?" "....God" I almost had a stroke

    • @KamenRiderSutan
      @KamenRiderSutan Před 10 měsíci +2

      plot twist ... again .... She sees herself as "God".

  • @pepsiisbetterthancoke6283
    @pepsiisbetterthancoke6283 Před 10 měsíci +479

    Seeing The Weeknd losing the idgaf war that badly on Twitter while this show was airing is certainly more entertaining and enjoyable than this show.

    • @daalimbe
      @daalimbe Před 10 měsíci +77

      he even did a troll pfp change... this man is never going to live this shit down

    • @jimmylu1352
      @jimmylu1352 Před 10 měsíci +80

      the way he's defending his acting and even did an article saying he forgot how to sing from playing Tedros. Like... you're doing all that for THIS?

    • @alim.9801
      @alim.9801 Před 10 měsíci +1

      ​@@jimmylu1352 he said what?? 😭

    • @mhawang8204
      @mhawang8204 Před 10 měsíci +6

      @@jimmylu1352 no wonder he and Levinson got along - both thought they were doing some deep sh*t here 🙄

  • @Frank-dd8rn
    @Frank-dd8rn Před 10 měsíci +2121

    Sam Levinson and Abel Tesfaye's work on this show is a perfect example of why someone should tell celebrities that just because they're good at something (singing, writing, directing, acting, etc.) doesn't mean they're good at everything

    • @elizabethification771
      @elizabethification771 Před 10 měsíci +93

      They all wanna be Donald Glover but lack the multi talent.

    • @DeikoMoon47
      @DeikoMoon47 Před 10 měsíci +20

      I mean, the main idea of the Idol it was to show how Hollywood and the music industry can treat pop idols poorly in a belittling, abusive, and manipulative way; showing it from the perspective of an aspiring Idol being harassed, manipulated, abused and so on until she realizes in a way that it shouldn't be like that. The idea was good, interesting, thoughtful about this kind of behavior for aspiring stars, musicians, and idols. Sadly, and for some strange reason that I don't know from Sam and Abel; they decided to change all that good foundation and turn the story of the series into a softporn which the girl lies about being abused, she enjoys being abused and all of the men are the victims in this history or something like that.

    • @brezio5251
      @brezio5251 Před 9 měsíci +4

      Abel tesfaye? you are a normal civilian. act like it. say the weeknd like you should

    • @An_Entire_Lime
      @An_Entire_Lime Před 9 měsíci +55

      @@brezio5251 Its just a dude's name, why are you being so exceptionally weird about it?

    • @KGDanny02
      @KGDanny02 Před 9 měsíci

      @@brezio5251 his name is Abel tesfaye

  • @RobbinvM
    @RobbinvM Před 10 měsíci +71

    I think I’ve seen more hours of content about the idol than the duration of the show itself 😂 never gets boring.

    • @MarloSoBalJr
      @MarloSoBalJr Před 5 měsíci +4

      Same. I had no clue of it even existing to begin with

  • @victoriacolombo5414
    @victoriacolombo5414 Před 10 měsíci +88

    As a woman, I feel like it's cool that there are many different versions of female protagonists and antagonists: heroines, anti heroes, villainesess, silly, smart, well written, badly written. I think it'd be productive to strive to have as many female characters with as many different colors as men characters. That being said, when there's so little variety to go around as far as female character writing AND within that little variety funds are going to this kind of "abused-but-not-really woman" content that plays into the worst conspiracy theories narratives about sexual and physical abuse is quite honestly horrible and problematic. It wouldn't bother me so much if I didn't feel like this type of content could be taken at face value by parts of society and further feed a narrative that ultimately justifies not believing women victims, etc. It's not that THIS content had to come and fix everything, or have the perfect message or be fair to women even. It's that there's so little content on these subjects that when something new comes out, I wish it was better than this dumpster fire.

    • @magical571
      @magical571 Před 4 měsíci +3

      To me, it screams projection on the author's part. Either of his views on women, himself or both. And that's plain sad. It only confirms the stereotype of toxic mascunility, thinking women are out to manipulate them and use trauma or abuse as a means, and of men almost doing them a favour by being abusive; while other creators, male or female, could do something way more compelling with those same resources and theme. But i believe it failing so hard may help honestly (or at least i want to believe so), IF the producers take the right message from the reception of this and don't go "oh well let's just not even attempt a female centered story".

  • @FrumiousMing8
    @FrumiousMing8 Před 10 měsíci +1422

    You are spot on about this damaging the Weekend's image. He makes it sound like people are dunking on his indie passion project. Like dude you have to had received criticism for your music before, you have a massive music career. Why are you acting like a child on Twitter? This isn't your first time being in the spotlight...

    • @nicolaorzelski7110
      @nicolaorzelski7110 Před 10 měsíci +195

      Honestly, the show and all the drama surrounding it ruined the Weekend’s music for me. I was never a full-on fan of them but now I simply cannot listen to their songs any longer

    • @amytass6142
      @amytass6142 Před 10 měsíci +289

      Tbh being a cowriter on this damaged his image too. His music is very misogynistic but hey the music is good and it's just a character thingy thing for his music.
      But THEN he writes a misogynistic show, glorifying abuse etc.. AND takes it so personally
      Now everyone is weirded out

    • @beck2752
      @beck2752 Před 10 měsíci +6

      Why is he acting like a child on twitter? Because he's an Aquarius, we are infamous at not taking criticism very well...

    • @andrewduong2740
      @andrewduong2740 Před 10 měsíci +12

      Which is kind of disappointing, because when he was invited to cameo on Uncut Gems, the news was that he seemed to really connect with the producers as a huge film buff. This was probably a passion project for him, and it stumbled right out of the gate

    • @Rhaifha
      @Rhaifha Před 10 měsíci +111

      @@beck2752 Maybe don't blame random plasma balls in the sky for a character flaw someone can work on.

  • @Xoxxoblooded
    @Xoxxoblooded Před 10 měsíci +288

    I dont understand how she lied about her mom abusing her, yet Xander said he saw it happen. Not only that, but was literally tortured for knowing and not saying anything. Did they forget before they made it a twist or something??

    • @petrfedor1851
      @petrfedor1851 Před 10 měsíci +61

      It was just "but it was the plan all along!" despite it making no sense unless the manipulative character has some sort of omniscience.

    • @TalkSickMass
      @TalkSickMass Před 10 měsíci +4

      @@petrfedor1851 I think Xander was just so bitter about the contract he was forced to sign by Jocelyn's mom and was trying to push her buttons.

  • @KhaleesiOfRivia
    @KhaleesiOfRivia Před 10 měsíci +98

    I appreciate these recaps so I don't have to actually watch the trash shows to understand the conversation. Great job!

  • @sandythemaster6898
    @sandythemaster6898 Před 7 měsíci +11

    OMG ''a boring attempt at being provocative'' may be the most perfect one sentence description of this show I could ever heard. You nailed it as always.

  • @lauryn5432
    @lauryn5432 Před 10 měsíci +683

    This was one of the worst “twists” I’ve ever seen, if Jocelyn was faking all the abuse then what were xander and leia talking about when they said her mum was abusive. And even if she were lying , that makes her manipulative, it doesn’t make Tedros any less abusive. Destiny literally says he tortured his ex, was a pimp and we see him abuse people physically throughout the show but all of that doesn’t count because Jocelyn lied? Very revealing about Sam levinson

    • @cojinmango
      @cojinmango Před 10 měsíci +66

      Exactly! That plot twist doesn't make sense to me when you have two witnesses

    • @lauryn5432
      @lauryn5432 Před 10 měsíci +55

      @@cojinmangodestiny and haim seem to know too, it literally makes zero sense. And if she’s this master manipulator then why is everyone just backing her up?

    • @cojinmango
      @cojinmango Před 10 měsíci +14

      @lauryn5432 I know right?! I am pretty sure they tried to make the transition from manipulated to manipulator in the last 5th and 6th episode, but we know how it was cut short and in any case it doesn't follow its own narrative. The only thing that could've made sense was that Jocelyn had indeed an abusive mum, but she didn't hit her with the brush in particular, and this was a set-up to create another cycle of abuse which would fuel her creative mind(? Still kinda fucked up

    • @thejaded
      @thejaded Před 10 měsíci

      It's official. Sam Levison hates women 🤣

    • @luxgh
      @luxgh Před 10 měsíci +15

      And he say he's going to kill Jocelyn but at the same time Sam and Abel are like "woman bad buuuuaw"

  • @sophieamandaleitontoomey9343
    @sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 Před 10 měsíci +1061

    I’m so tired of Sam Levinson and his sick and twisted fantasies about teenagers being placed onscreen and viewed for entertainment.
    It was disgusting when Roberto did it with Archie and it’s equally disgusting here with whatever this show is.

    • @javierlopez9789
      @javierlopez9789 Před 10 měsíci +86

      Sam is an r rated version of Roberto, or more like Roberto without any restrains, he is free.

    • @purrgundy
      @purrgundy Před 10 měsíci +31

      ​@@javierlopez9789Roberto + a famous dad = Sam

    • @Lissa2355
      @Lissa2355 Před 10 měsíci +57

      ​@@javierlopez9789Roberto would absolutely do the same thing as Sam did if the studio allowed him, maybe even worse. It's amazing that we have so many directors with big red flags and studios keep hiring them...

    • @thatonebadasslighter
      @thatonebadasslighter Před 10 měsíci +21

      I hate the entertainment industry rn teen shows on abc family/freeform were more decent than what's out today. Teen shows went from The Fosters unstable family drama to p*rnography on Euphoria. Sam and Roberto are just disgusting human beings and need to be stopped

    • @epicazeroth
      @epicazeroth Před 10 měsíci +31

      It's actualy way worse, cause Roberto doesn't have Archie doing full nudity sex scenes on screen. Also you know, Roberto doesn't do "actually abuse victims are abusers".

  • @KristenRogers92
    @KristenRogers92 Před 10 měsíci +52

    The "Why?" section had me dying laughing! Characters have to have motivation, and from what I've seen from both your vid here and AmandatheJedi's is that NOT ONE character in this show has any idea what they want.

  • @mrJMD
    @mrJMD Před 10 měsíci +59

    Crazy that this got made, is there just no oversight? Didn't a bunch of people have to look over this as it was being made and say "What you're doing is good, keep going!" Not one of them said "Hey you know what? This is pretty horrific so maybe we should fire Levinson and just call it a day on this trainwreck."

    • @emotionalsupportgoblin
      @emotionalsupportgoblin Před 5 měsíci +3

      A big thing in hollywood is sunk cost fallacy - we've spent so much money on it, we have to keep going and double down, deluding ourselves it'll all be fine

  • @purplebutterfly314
    @purplebutterfly314 Před 10 měsíci +162

    It blew my mind that they tried to portray Tedros as a "victim" in the last episode when it was revealed earlier that he had been in prison for torturing his ex-girlfriend and being a pimp. Even if we just accept that Jocelyn was the big bad villain all along with no questions asked, the guy is still an abusive piece of shit who got what he deserved, but somehow the shows hints that we're supposed to feel bad for him for falling for Jocelyn's manipulation. What exactly is the message that Sam and Abel are trying to send here? We're supposed to feel bad for abusers and their actions are somehow all the fault of some manipulative woman?

    • @davidhimmelfahrt3732
      @davidhimmelfahrt3732 Před 10 měsíci

      I think it was a realistic portrayal of characters that you would encounter in real life, if you were to visit Hollywood. The point of the series is to show, that, if toxic individuals get caught up in an interest conflict, they violently manipulate each other to get their passionately desired outcome. There is no hero in this story, because it is not idealistic. There are a few villains, who all were victims at some point, and which, due to their incapability to emotionally and rationally deal with trauma and pain, developed a kind of machiavellian like character trait of being able to exploit others for selfish benefits. These folks don't represent all of the human population. Just the majority of those who live in Hollywood. It is about exposing the life style in a literal sense. They are just showing how each part of the society lives there and how they interact with and another. Artists, Labels, managers and so on. A story like the one told in the Idol, most likely happened more or less the same in real life, a couple of times in Hollywood. Nothing special, just the regular drama. I don't get why all critics, reviewers and fans are giving such negative feedback.

    • @Biring1
      @Biring1 Před 10 měsíci +1

      The scene where she brings Tedros up on stange made me cringe so bad

    • @davidhimmelfahrt3732
      @davidhimmelfahrt3732 Před 10 měsíci

      @@Biring1 good way, or bad way?

  • @brookb5890
    @brookb5890 Před 10 měsíci +638

    This is a generalization, but anytime someone in Hollywood brags about having a strong female protagonist or a story about female-empowerment, it seems to be a story glorifying a very terrible person who is not empowered, but abusing power... and that is VERY telling about the atmosphere in the film industry. It makes the whole situation with Amy Seimetz painfully ironic.

    • @thelastjerkbender2505
      @thelastjerkbender2505 Před 10 měsíci +74

      I honestly think it's so misogynistic that to Hollywood, an empowered woman is someone who is as capricious and cruel as the men in power.

    • @Dimension2364
      @Dimension2364 Před 10 měsíci +7

      I couldn’t have said it better

    • @madeniquevanwyk
      @madeniquevanwyk Před 10 měsíci +2

      Well said.

    • @alim.9801
      @alim.9801 Před 10 měsíci +14

      ​@@thelastjerkbender2505 or who is only empowered after suffering some type of assault or abuse

    • @dadadadeadgirl5602
      @dadadadeadgirl5602 Před 10 měsíci +8

      I feel like this idea would work if the movie is actually aware that the strong female protagonist is morally questionable and shows the bad effects of their mindset.

  • @gRinchY-op5vr
    @gRinchY-op5vr Před 9 měsíci +18

    This show being cancelled after 1 season didn't surpise me before but now even makes more sense when you realise it was cut down to 5 episodes, HBO MAX realllllly wanted to just drop this show hard

  • @na3rial
    @na3rial Před 9 měsíci +24

    So it's emily in paris but with minors, creeps, and men trying to pretend women are the problem

  • @lisahoshowsky4251
    @lisahoshowsky4251 Před 10 měsíci +141

    Lily Rose Depp feels like a student who got stuck in a group project with a bunch of non-contributors and doesn’t want to get a bad grade. When the project is done she’s the one stuck presenting it to the teacher in an attempt to make it seem somewhat competent so they all don’t go down with the ship. Like the other actors who were good aren’t the lead so they can kind of just walk away from the train wreck but Depp is stuck with it as the protagonist. Her minor defending of it and the language she uses makes me think she knows it’s not worth anyone’s time but she still has to put on a face for now.

    • @kbuttons19
      @kbuttons19 Před 10 měsíci +11

      No but seriously, why is this so accurate?!

    • @cloudreaper09
      @cloudreaper09 Před 10 měsíci +24

      It's probably in her contract. You have to help with the promotion of the show. That means defend it, say positive things. Sad thing is, she signed the contract before the rewriting I'm guessing

    • @lemonwhxre
      @lemonwhxre Před 10 měsíci +5

      it's also her first acting role isn't it? like she gave such a good performance and should be recognized for that, I hope she's able to continue acting if that's a route she's interested in taking

  • @rave_digger
    @rave_digger Před 10 měsíci +300

    So just to be clear, we were supposed to get a story about the systemic abuse of women in Hollywood told through the eyes of a struggling, grieving popstar, and instead we got a show about an abusive fuckboy who they tried to make the victim, while leaving us with the message of "women like to be abused, but if they say they were abused, they're lying about it".

  • @TheAdarkerglow
    @TheAdarkerglow Před 9 měsíci +25

    Based on the twist, Levinson is actually like Tedros in real life, and he's felt very called out lately, so he really needed to show that "No, it was the women who were manipulating me!!!" Just screams blaming the victims, insinuating that the surface level abuses are veiled machinations. Very bad writing.

  • @rebeccar.p.1308
    @rebeccar.p.1308 Před 10 měsíci +30

    I had only watched The Idol to see BlackPink’s Jennie in her first acting role, but Lily Rose Depp was what kept me going after seeing what a useless character Dayanne turned out to be. This wasn’t even a show that you love watching just to hate it-it was cringe all the way through and I wasn’t sure I would ever get through it; the only reason I finished watching is because I’m somewhat of a completionist but wow this show didn’t deserve a watch at all. Truly just felt like a male fantasy but the male is a 13 year old boy who’s never talked to a girl in his life and lacks any sort of awareness and empathy for women. And seeing how The Weekend reacted to the negative comments on this show led me to have such a distaste for him-I deleted any songs I had of his just because I can’t hear his voice without thinking of this awful show. I really enjoyed you ripping this show apart, it’s well deserved!

  • @chip2389
    @chip2389 Před 10 měsíci +156

    "Mental illness is sexy" 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮 Why is Sam Levinson even allowed on sets?

    • @TalkSickMass
      @TalkSickMass Před 10 měsíci +10

      It was a poorly take on the "trend" of mental health when it could have been addressed in a better way

    • @nataliaalmeida-nacillustra5954
      @nataliaalmeida-nacillustra5954 Před 10 měsíci +3

      It's so sexy, my OCD making my hands bleed from washing them is just super sexy. /sarcasm

  • @KGDanny02
    @KGDanny02 Před 10 měsíci +198

    All I’ll say is... I hope Sam Levinson NEVER goes anywhere near Lolita. Who knows what he’s gonna do with that source material.

    • @luxgh
      @luxgh Před 10 měsíci +66

      At the end he's going to make her the villain

    • @Killroy007
      @Killroy007 Před 9 měsíci +46

      That story got bastardized enough already. If he gets to that I honestly think it could lead to the writer combusting with so much force earth would be cracked like an egg

    • @LenasEdits
      @LenasEdits Před 9 měsíci +16

      oh god no please stay away from Lolita, i hope to god they never try to make a modernized remake of a classic

    • @eid8fkebe7f27ejdjdjduyhsvqhwu2
      @eid8fkebe7f27ejdjdjduyhsvqhwu2 Před 9 měsíci +8

      Lolita needs to finally get a good adaptation and not be left standing with these horrible adaptations like the one from Hitchcock or the one with Jeremy Irons.

  • @charlodynatimberheart4860
    @charlodynatimberheart4860 Před 9 měsíci +12

    My favorite part of this show was when Jocelyn went up on stage and said "What if the real abusers were the idols we met along the way?"

  • @TheRocco96
    @TheRocco96 Před 8 měsíci +14

    The character of Jocelyn feels like it's based on Lily Rose Depp's mother, Vanessa Paradis. Vanessa became a famous singer at a young age with the song "Joe le Taxi." At the age of 16, Vanessa Paradis acted in her first movie "Noce Blanche" where she had several nude scenes, Lily Rose has the same start for her acting career with plenty of nudity in Idol.
    Later in her career, Vanessa Paradis had a relationship with Lenny Cravitz, a black musician, with his help Vanessa had great succes with the song "Be My Baby". In the Idol series Jocelyn has a relationship with Tedros, also a black musician.

  • @angiewilson867
    @angiewilson867 Před 10 měsíci +2139

    Between your video and D'Angelo Wallace's, I truly feel like I got the full Idol experience without ever having to see weird sex scenes with the Weekend, thank you for taking that hit for all of us 😂

    • @aphroditemercury937
      @aphroditemercury937 Před 10 měsíci +57

      Yes,, thank you,, I didn't wanna see that shit,,, and but for these blessed folks,, we never have to...

    • @elsagreen1476
      @elsagreen1476 Před 10 měsíci +36

      I recommend Kennie JD's as well

    • @amarevanhook7453
      @amarevanhook7453 Před 10 měsíci +2

      Facts

    • @novakian
      @novakian Před 9 měsíci +10

      Jordan Theresa is an ICON on “girl” media. I watched hers first and now im watching FSN.

    • @hazazelk
      @hazazelk Před 8 měsíci +3

      Amanda the Jedi was a key part of my "practically watched the show" curriculum as well 😂

  • @swiftiecat17
    @swiftiecat17 Před 10 měsíci +379

    The leaked set photos of the original story looked so fun and interesting. It looked like it leaned heavily into the fun idealistic pop princess most people associate with pop stars. And ofc the show would lean more into Jocelyn's pov SHES THE MAIN CHARACTER. the weekend really killed the show bc of his massive ego and it sucks bc this show had so much potential

    • @nevaminddd
      @nevaminddd Před 10 měsíci +3

      Where to find them?

    • @TalkSickMass
      @TalkSickMass Před 10 měsíci +11

      @@nevaminddd The Idol subreddit or Twitter.

    • @thelastjerkbender2505
      @thelastjerkbender2505 Před 10 měsíci

      Abel axing the original show was just so fucking upsetting. I've enjoyed the guy's musical output but he just seems like an uber-douche after this whole shebang.

    • @laylarami2739
      @laylarami2739 Před 10 měsíci +22

      This really says a lot of the weekend and maybe that’s why he kept so quiet over time because maybe he’s a sociopath

    • @CelestiaLudenberg1122
      @CelestiaLudenberg1122 Před 10 měsíci +5

      I thought that was just for the backstory, when Jocelyn was still a pop star,like her beginnings or stuff

  • @momoneyinvesting
    @momoneyinvesting Před 6 měsíci +6

    The weekend is the hip hop version of Steven Segal

  • @flowerpower2453
    @flowerpower2453 Před 10 měsíci +1376

    Also, Sam Levinson originally did well with the first season of Euphoria, but that was actually just a translation of an Israeli tv show. The original show only had one season, which is why there is such a huge drop in quality between the first and second season of the American version of Euphoria. The first season was just translated and adapted slightly, the second season was Sam Levinson wrote completely on his own.

    • @ItWasBetterBefore
      @ItWasBetterBefore Před 10 měsíci +360

      The Game of Thrones problem! Creators who do great as long as they're adapting other people's material but crash and burn when they have to start from scratch.

    • @Isabelle-hv6ny
      @Isabelle-hv6ny Před 10 měsíci +117

      Omg now I understand it. I was so confused about the Drop because Sam Levinson wrote season 1 and I loved it.

    • @junainahrahman4156
      @junainahrahman4156 Před 10 měsíci +119

      Even Season 1 had its problems but atleast it had some consistency with its characters. Good acting, good music and ofc cinematography managed to distract us from its mediocre storyline

    • @lunaoliveira7965
      @lunaoliveira7965 Před 10 měsíci +30

      Wait, really? What Israeli tv show ?

    • @angeldeviltears
      @angeldeviltears Před 10 měsíci +17

      @@lunaoliveira7965 never heard about it before too. super interesting

  • @poisonheart2317
    @poisonheart2317 Před 10 měsíci +394

    Regardless of what yall think about the amber heard and johnny depp trial, placing lily rose in a show where fake abuse allegations are used against a guy is......a choice.

  • @heyitsvonage2768
    @heyitsvonage2768 Před 9 měsíci +3

    This director fucking LOVES zoom shots lol. I've never watched either this nor Euphoria, but there are just so many zooms in these clips of them. Without hearing the actual audio, his filming style kind of looks like a bunch of music videos stitched together

  • @francesbell9465
    @francesbell9465 Před 8 měsíci +11

    You're spot on about this and The Sabrina ridiculous misunderstanding of what feminism should be all about. Why do some really idiotic directors think that women empowerment means them being ruthless psychopaths?

    • @KD-ou2np
      @KD-ou2np Před 2 měsíci

      Because they're ruthless pyschopaths. They can only imagine women leveling the playing field by women treating them how they treat women. They can't imagine it any other way

  • @Swagguu
    @Swagguu Před 10 měsíci +177

    The fact that Levinson needlessly specified that his wife “showed him the article” made me burst out laughing. The most strategic boundary crossers I’ve encountered loooove to invoke their partners when discussions of their art or behaviors are scrutinized.

    • @braydenroberts8190
      @braydenroberts8190 Před 10 měsíci +48

      It’s a classic deflection tactic, a creator gets criticized for racism/misogamy/ableism/bigotry of your choice and pull out their token to deflect.

    • @Wandervenn
      @Wandervenn Před 10 měsíci +37

      The "I have a black friend" tactic.

    • @amberjulia123
      @amberjulia123 Před 10 měsíci +59

      He needed to say that someone else brought him the article because he’s supposed to be “too cool” to care enough to seek out articles about his work. 😂
      He wants to appear unbothered and incurious about how his “art” is perceived. “My wife was curious and found this article and insisted on showing me. I didn’t care. I never would have come across that article on my own because I never google myself or anything about myself.”

  • @oa7852
    @oa7852 Před 10 měsíci +816

    Hear me out! Sam levinson is a TV-MA version of Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa
    Both have
    - terrible writing/story
    - Decent to great casting (if we’re ignoring the weeknd, lol)
    - great visuals
    - full of themselves
    - sexualize teenagers
    - try and fail to properly address serious topics
    - forget a bunch of important plot lines
    - got lucky and have been riding the coattails of ONE (1) successful show
    - etc.
    Honestly, one more Sam levinson show and he might be friendly space ninga’s nemesis too 😭😭😭

    • @edwardaucay8597
      @edwardaucay8597 Před 10 měsíci +15

      That's a massive stretch, especially with the visuals from RAS that don't come anywhere near as close to stunning as Sam's. Also the casting for RAS is generally hit or miss.

    • @oa7852
      @oa7852 Před 10 měsíci +91

      @@edwardaucay8597
      Respectfully, I don’t think it’s a MASSIVE stretch (maybe a bit of a stretch) but hear me out
      Terrible writing:
      Levinson: the idol and euphoria season two
      Roberto: most of his shows, lol
      Decent to great casting: this is where I’d say it’s a stretch, I’m giving most of the actors from RAS’ shows the benefit of the doubt that they’re just doing the best they can with what they’re given.
      Great visuals: this one is a lil bit of a stretch too, I’ll admit, lol. 110% Sam levinson’s shows are beautiful and much better executed but if you look at shows like chilling adventures of Sabrina and even riverdale (I’ve only watched till the end of season 3), there are some shots that I find pretty great.
      Full of themselves and sexualizing teenagers: self-explanatory
      Failing to address serious topics: both have tried and failed to address topics of racism, abuse, and SA.
      Both seem to have this notion that sexualizing female characters = feminism.
      For example:
      Levinson:
      Jocelyn is no doubt sexualized in this show from a male-gaze perspective (through things like camera angles and costuming) . HOWEVER her being sexualized is portrayed as feminist (that whole master-manipulator thing).
      In euphoria, we’re kinda meant to cheer kat -a literal child- on for “owning her body”, while she’s working as a cam girl.
      RAS: Don’t even get me started on how riverdale does this all the time, I promise you, it’s not that hard to find an example.
      Forgetting/abandoning plot lines: self-explanatory
      Got lucky riding the coattails of one popular show
      Levinson: Euphoria
      RAS: riverdale
      So, while this may be the shower thought of someone stressing out for exams, I don’t think it’s a massive stretch to say that they’re (sort of) two sides of the same messed up coin

    • @FriendlyBatDoom
      @FriendlyBatDoom Před 10 měsíci +8

      Respectfully Roberto Is JUST THE WORST.!!!!

    • @momo-vu1wr
      @momo-vu1wr Před 10 měsíci +5

      @@FriendlyBatDoomrespectfully wholeheartedly disagree. i also didn't watch riverdale and never plan to but i liked the first season of sabrina, visually beautiful and dark. his writing definitely peters out towards the end, just like season 8 of GoT. I don't think Roberto and him are comparable.

    • @FriendlyBatDoom
      @FriendlyBatDoom Před 10 měsíci +6

      @@momo-vu1wr I understand. I never watched Sabrina due to this channel telling us just how bad it was. Riverdale got on my nerves due to Cheryl, Kevin, Archie and personally THE WORST IN VERONICA LODGE. RESPECT👍

  • @clara-rq9my
    @clara-rq9my Před 10 měsíci +299

    before the show shifted, i remember seeing jennie's fans super excited cause this was supposed to be her acting debut as one of the main supporting roles in the show. it's such a shame that her presence in it was reduced to almost nothing. she really deserved to shine as well as the entire female cast

    • @XJYNCT
      @XJYNCT Před 10 měsíci +103

      Please don't baby her. She joined after Sam Levison was made director. She knew what she was setting into because she's friends with him and liked his work. She's a grown woman, and she could have left if she was upset at the lack of lines.

    • @battleangel4833
      @battleangel4833 Před 10 měsíci +19

      ​@@XJYNCTLmao I don't know if she was 100% aware of what this would be. I don't think she's going to be candid about it regardless. Best for everyone to just move on.

    • @lastquarter3992
      @lastquarter3992 Před 10 měsíci +52

      Ngl it's better that it was a smaller role. First, because it's very clear that YG entertainment negotiated things in a way that she wouldn't be put in a bad light (she's revealed as not actually a villain, wronged by Joss at the end, and she's the only cult member who doesn't seem under Tedros's spell because she can't be shown as a victim of abuse) so she'd stand out in this abuse fest, and second, because Jennie is still a beginner actress. She did fine but any longer scenes and she would have seemed flat (especially next to lily rose). I think it was a good way for her to open that door and get some training. Hopefully she works on some more interesting stuff afterwards.

    • @jrj10
      @jrj10 Před 9 měsíci +16

      ​​@@lastquarter3992well just if you don't know yg actually released the statement that yg had no part in this and Jennie was the one who approached Sam and weekend, took matter in her own hands and bagged the role

    • @lastquarter3992
      @lastquarter3992 Před 9 měsíci +9

      @@jrj10 This doesn't mean they weren't involved in the negotiations imo, she's still their talent. She applied for the job and reached out but she can't have negotiated it on her own. Now, perhaps she or her agent was the one who negotiated for the role to not damage her image. It's not a bad thing at all btw, it's a smart choice either way, just less tonally fitting for this show if she'd been a more prominent character.

  • @chxrryblxssoms
    @chxrryblxssoms Před 9 měsíci +19

    your videos are so long (my attention span is HORRIBLE) and yet i'm completely immersed in each one, i love your videos they're so in-depth and genuinely keep me interested!! something about your commentaries has me hooked :)

  • @DrDolan2000
    @DrDolan2000 Před 10 měsíci +338

    Mental illness being healed is sexy. Someone learning a lesson is sexy. People having sex of their volition and not being pressured/coerced into it is sexy
    I'm surprised Sam has a wife. Either she's just as crazy as him, or he's making her stay with him like Mother Gothel

    • @WaltDevil060
      @WaltDevil060 Před 10 měsíci +31

      That guys is married? Fuck, if he ends up having kids, they are probably going to have a pretty rough childhood

    • @edsterrock
      @edsterrock Před 10 měsíci +21

      @@WaltDevil060 hate to be the bearer of bad news. He has a son and said in an interview he wants to make children's films for his son. I wish I was making this up.

    • @WaltDevil060
      @WaltDevil060 Před 10 měsíci +9

      @@edsterrock Well, shit. I feel sorry for that kid already

    • @cyberpunkfashionblyawesome
      @cyberpunkfashionblyawesome Před 10 měsíci +9

      ​@@edsterrockI'm feeling that movie is not gonna be kid friendly because you know he's fetish of underage teens

    • @beautifulgorgeousman
      @beautifulgorgeousman Před 9 měsíci +6

      @@edsterrock…..at least he didn’t have a daughter..? yeah no this is just awful news

  • @Dm34421
    @Dm34421 Před 10 měsíci +160

    The Weeknd and Sam levinson destroying their reputation in a month was the only good thing about this show

  • @Ugly_German_Truths
    @Ugly_German_Truths Před 8 měsíci +21

    Well the "reveal" does sound like a great idea, if it had been introduced with hints and snippets all through the series... like a "Whodunnit" Murder investigation... if you could go back and see ALL the signs that it was idk... a vengeance plot to get even with the people that effed with her after her breakdown or whatever, that could have been great... DEEP storytelling.

  • @yambuh3247
    @yambuh3247 Před 9 měsíci +3

    somebody need to check that guy's hard drive

  • @trinaq
    @trinaq Před 10 měsíci +743

    Hearing about all of the lost potential simply makes me sad. I would have much rather watched Jocelyn try to reclaim her agency back from the callous industry who cruelly took it from her.

    • @TalkSickMass
      @TalkSickMass Před 10 měsíci +30

      I wondered if the original version was to start with the rise and success of Jocelyn's career in a intense montage sequence then it cuts to the photoshoot scene.

  • @jeremyk1422
    @jeremyk1422 Před 10 měsíci +275

    "The visuals are gorgeous. The performances are amazing. The writing is what ruins the show" This has been the hollywood trend for the past few years lately. Writing keeps killing great visuals, setups, and acting careers.

    • @laylarami2739
      @laylarami2739 Před 10 měsíci +8

      In the wrong hands tho (well worse hands) and this comes out , which is crazy

    • @misscrackwood
      @misscrackwood Před 10 měsíci

      Let's just hope their strike is going to reverse that trend. I'm sure they're fuckin tired of writing shitty scripts!

    • @RandomSwiftie13
      @RandomSwiftie13 Před 5 měsíci +3

      Yep it's like they are using AI to write scripts already and we just don't know it.

  • @sillygrill
    @sillygrill Před 7 měsíci +3

    he didn’t even come up with euphoria

  • @callmev3531
    @callmev3531 Před 9 měsíci +10

    41:27, In theory, the idea of a performer attempting to use the “tortured artist” trope as a means to advance their career could be interesting, even thought-provoking.
    With the many different characters out there that fall into this trope, a satirical approach could have made for a clever deconstruction of it, showing how stupid and harmful the idea of tragedy and mental illness being seen as a necessity to make impactful art can be, especially when used by people who view it merely as an aesthetic choice or only use it for attention (or as pointed out in many of this channel’s videos, shock value) compared those who genuinely suffer from these issues (ironically what this show and Euphoria are guilty of in many respects).
    42:33, That could have given Jocelyn’s self-harm and her lying about her mother’s abuse a more appropriate reason for being included in the story.
    Again in theory.

  • @katr374
    @katr374 Před 10 měsíci +1271

    Did I watch the Idol? No. Did I still watch waaay too many reviews of this dumpster fire? Definitely. Did I still know I absolutely had to watch this specific review because it would be the most brutal one of all, whilst still being objective and fact based? 100%

    • @MariawithCats75
      @MariawithCats75 Před 10 měsíci +17

      COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER!!❤❤❤

    • @cantfindaname123421
      @cantfindaname123421 Před 10 měsíci +12

      Should you keep talking by asking yourself questions that you then proceed to answer? Definitely not.

    • @medealkemy
      @medealkemy Před 10 měsíci

      ​@@cantfindaname123421oh, hi, The Weekend

    • @y2ksurvivor
      @y2ksurvivor Před 9 měsíci +3

      You're bragging about having your uninformed opinion (you say you didn't watch it) confirmed by a stranger? Interesting.

    • @OPGardevoir
      @OPGardevoir Před 8 měsíci +1

      No one cares

  • @furioussherman7265
    @furioussherman7265 Před 10 měsíci +142

    Sometimes I wish somebody would just hire Sam Levinson to do the cinematography on a show and refuse to let him do anything else. He's able to put together so many amazing shots, but he can't go five minutes without sexualizing young teenagers and romanticizing the most fucked-up and unhealthy relationships imaginable.

    • @Rhaifha
      @Rhaifha Před 10 měsíci +12

      Agreed! Like, dude, you can make shots look absolutely amazing. Focus on that and let someone else do the writing and directing?

    • @sashacat936
      @sashacat936 Před 10 měsíci +40

      We don't even need Sam. He may have some ideas, but his DP, Marcell Rév, is the one who actually makes those visuals
      Just find Marcell a director worthy of his brilliant work

    • @kat8559
      @kat8559 Před 10 měsíci +11

      Then we'd find out that he's actually not a good cinematographer either lol

  • @LivMLund
    @LivMLund Před 10 měsíci +14

    Here for the algorithm, but I also wanna express how insane it is that I never feel bored throughout your sometimes 3+hour reviews. Keep up the good work, we'd definitely be missing you otherwise.

  • @sadsadtearsofaclown859
    @sadsadtearsofaclown859 Před 8 měsíci +8

    Both Sam Levinson and Abel need to be investigated

    • @mdgsk824
      @mdgsk824 Před 3 měsíci

      Add on Jane Adams and Eli Roth. Just the fact they agreed to speak those disgusting lines and at least one of them is willing to go to war over this tripe tells me they must be huge freaks that probably have skeletons in the closet.

  • @mysideacc2770
    @mysideacc2770 Před 10 měsíci +195

    the biggest irony of this show is that it was supposed to be a satirical look at how showbiz uses and abuses women, and it has now ended up as a joke of a show that people love to make fun of after it misused the women in the show and working on it.

    • @calebmarmon1310
      @calebmarmon1310 Před 10 měsíci +26

      It makes me wonder if the producers and/or Sam felt called out by the original intent of the show. Sam wanted to subvert that subversion, to suggest that the abusers may be the ones being abused. Muddy the waters so there is not a clear problem of abuse from the top that needs to be fixed, because “abuse is just part of the game.”

    • @mysideacc2770
      @mysideacc2770 Před 10 měsíci +3

      @@calebmarmon1310 i didn't even think about that, but that's probably not far from the truth.

  • @chloekm7958
    @chloekm7958 Před 10 měsíci +107

    I demand the Amy cut. I must know what we could have had.

  • @AnneettaLife
    @AnneettaLife Před 8 měsíci +10

    This show 100% is glamorizing mental and sexual abuse. And Sam levinson has an apparent kink and I hope now that people noticed this about him, that his career suffers. God only knows what he’s done behind closed doors.

  • @choco.munchiez
    @choco.munchiez Před 6 měsíci +7

    its so misogynist that they took the project away from the original show runner ( forgot her name ) because its too much in the female perspective even tho its a show about a woman and her perspective in thr industry like WHAT...

  • @yespls4184
    @yespls4184 Před 10 měsíci +121

    I know that Lily-Rose is a nepo baby, but I feel bad that she got wrapped up in this.. clearly she has some acting talent and probably wanted this project to succeed, then had to market it anyways when it sucked

    • @xylypotatohead3947
      @xylypotatohead3947 Před 10 měsíci +15

      I feel kinda bad for her. Of course she has a lot of privilege. But she chose acting as a career and wants to succeed and I think she thought this might be a project giving her that. I think she was really screwed over and exploited to an extent.

  • @Werewolf.with.Internet.Access
    @Werewolf.with.Internet.Access Před 10 měsíci +246

    The part where he’s getting in the guys face going all “don’t you ever look at her again 😡” had me laughing so fucking hard
    Like I was waiting for the bodyguard guy to palm him in the face and push him back going “maaaaan if you don’t get your goofy ass tf up outta my face-!”

  • @TheSchmoog
    @TheSchmoog Před 10 měsíci

    I absolutely loved this video!! I hope you get to keep making work like this!! This sort of show deserves to be called out just as you did. Love love love. Thank you!!

  • @GorqeousNenna
    @GorqeousNenna Před 10 měsíci

    Always so in-depth! I love!!

  • @wombatpandaa9774
    @wombatpandaa9774 Před 10 měsíci +417

    Wow...as someone who has experienced the affects of abuse firsthand, this is horrifying. This man should not be given a platform to enact his sick fantasies. He should be silenced.
    Edit: I'm even more disgusted after hearing the finale described. This is victim blaming, and it is a common tactic among abusers, especially serial abusers. It is disgusting and wrong, and Sam and the Weeknd should be ashamed for having used this tactic to justify their abusive use of these actresses and characters. I have never been more disgusted by another human's actions in my life.

    • @erzsebetkovacs2527
      @erzsebetkovacs2527 Před 10 měsíci +38

      Yes, it's a toxic mix of victim blaming, a totally irrealistic revenge fantasy for the victim, plus the Romantic cliché of romanticizing mental illness as a creative force.

    • @wombatpandaa9774
      @wombatpandaa9774 Před 10 měsíci +3

      @@erzsebetkovacs2527 yes, that really bugs me too. Mental illness isn't "sexy" because it gives someone the ability to manipulate someone else. It's a part of someone, either from birth or from being affected deeply by another's actions, and either way it should be approached carefully, giving the ill person license to choose when and how they approach the illness. Sam doesn't seem to understand this at all.

  • @enderkatze6129
    @enderkatze6129 Před 10 měsíci +94

    This show's production history is in essence just
    "You became the very thing you swore to destroy!"

  • @mildlytroubled
    @mildlytroubled Před 10 měsíci +1

    boosting !! also, thanks for explaining the entire production thing bc i was SO confused on the timeline and who left when and who was involved where 😭

  • @lovelybutdeadly7545
    @lovelybutdeadly7545 Před 10 měsíci +14

    You deserve more credit for the details you put into your videos. I like it when creators do their research and care so much about what they put out on the platform.... And you clearly do! I couldn't make it passed the 3rd episode, props to you spaceninja! ❤

  • @smokugoku
    @smokugoku Před 10 měsíci +570

    The saddest part about the idol is how much it reflects badly on The Weekend/Sam Levinson's previous works. So many people are saying they can't even listen to The Weekend anymore without thinking about Tedros, even though his albums were great and positively-recieved. And Sam Levinson's creepiness is making people see Euphoria as just a show where teens do explicit things, ignoring the amazing actors/production and its serious dialogue of substance/relational abuse in youths of today.
    All for a show that's message was basically "sometimes women who are abused are actually not victims" ?????????? like okay 💀

    • @JasmineBurnett-pd8bz
      @JasmineBurnett-pd8bz Před 10 měsíci +56

      I agree, but i can still listen to the weeknd's music cause i surpress the memory of the show. The last part is true, i need sam to go to hell, and leave hollywood

    • @Kris-wo4pj
      @Kris-wo4pj Před 10 měsíci +104

      People thought that about euphoria before this came out.

    • @airplanes_aren.t_real
      @airplanes_aren.t_real Před 10 měsíci +27

      For a lot of people, watching those things now brings bad memories from the show and knowingly giving these people money and attention doesn't bode well for them

    • @editaudioaesthetic
      @editaudioaesthetic Před 10 měsíci +89

      you can see tedros in the weeknd's lyrics.. you can feeeeel the misogyny. it's actually kind of crazy how no one noticed for this long?

    • @sweettooth4759
      @sweettooth4759 Před 10 měsíci +6

      @@Kris-wo4pjTrue, but ppl still recognized the good in it too.

  • @catsrambling
    @catsrambling Před 10 měsíci +54

    you know what? fanfics with kinks are written BETTER than whatever the idol was, even when they are meant to not have a plot, they're just better cause at least they're honest in what they are portraying, while Levinson... isn't.

    • @liacamp9
      @liacamp9 Před 10 měsíci +2

      it makes sense, since they're usually written by women (and a bunch of them are lesbians)

    • @Lolo-lz1dr
      @Lolo-lz1dr Před 10 měsíci

      so forced and pointless, i couldn't push myself to watch the hole thing

    • @H0bO
      @H0bO Před 10 měsíci

      @@liacamp9 There is no data to back that up.

    • @catsrambling
      @catsrambling Před 10 měsíci

      @@Lolo-lz1dr honestly, I watched 2 episodes and just gave back, it was just boring...

  • @SkyNessa321
    @SkyNessa321 Před 10 měsíci

    I had already watched quite a few videos about The Idol when your video came out but I had to watch yours because your voice and your sense of humor are just too delightful to miss. Especially when you’re roasting a bad show. Keep making great content!

  • @maize3201
    @maize3201 Před 10 měsíci +9

    I’ve Watched way to many people tearing this show a new one and I’ve enjoyed every single one but this is undoubtedly the best one. A damn shame that CZcams killed this video’s growth, leaving a comment to help out.

  • @girlwhomustnotbenamed4139
    @girlwhomustnotbenamed4139 Před 10 měsíci +84

    Someone should really check Sam Levinson's hard drive. Jocelyn saying she likes Tedros being "rapey" and then the whole Chloe thing are like a thousand red flags all at once.