I own a 2023. I wouldnt have bought the bike without the engine being the way it is. Been riding for over 10 years now. Been on everything from a vespa, to my 200mph modified ZX14r and everything in between. The vibey T Plane is my favorite engine ive ever had the opportunity to operate. It genuinely feels like the bike is a animal beneath you, and it rewards you differently at different RPMs. The smoothness of every other engine ive experienced now feels almost like some electric car, and the tiger is SO SO satisfying to open up and feel it come alive underneath you like some muscle car. But yes, if you want to hop on the highway and drone out to eat up miles and nothing else, sure, get a goldwing or K1600, or better yet, take a car. But i stand by it, the 2022, and 2023 tiger is something different, something special, something that actually feels alive.
I own the 2023 Tiger 1200 GT Pro and I don't understand the complaints about vibrations. Does it vibrate? Yes, but not excessively. It's a motorcycle. It's supposed to be alive. If you want no vibes, stay on your couch.
Much like chilies people feel vibrations very differently. Rode a friends Versys 650 and it was like having an electric toothbrush under each boot, he felt nothing. Very odd, but that’s life.
These journalists never seem to feel the BMW g's vibes though , for some reason. Example when testing the new Stelvio Moto Guzzi a journo complained of the slight rock at idle when throttle blipped , but loved the character of the BMW when it did the same thing
Phew, you bugger. That last little tumble scene had me going there. Always a good watch the Bennetts stuff, whoever the reviewer is but Simons reviews have that little extra pazzaz and sparkle. Nice one.
Agreed but it remains a singularly top heavy beast which is a pain to move around, especially when loaded. I sold mine because I was fed up wrestling the thing.
I absolutely love my 2020 Desert Edition. Now with a pipe on it, I love that sweet, sweet triple symphony even more every time I get on the throttle in the twisties!
With regard to the vibs on the 22 & 23 models - many owners like me have added Evotech's bar end weights. They are a game changer as far as we are concerned. Gone are the intrusive vibs which would numb your hands after less than an hour!
Nice one Si. Having owned a 1200GT Explorer (for 3 months), it needed fixing, I completely failed to gel with it and traded it for an R1250RS which is way better for my application. Glad to see they've addressed some of the issues I had with it.
Good job. Was pleased to see you did the review of this bike in MCN recently. Enjoyed watching this for the roads as this is my old stomping ground! Interestingly, this may be the first CZcams video where I was very familiar with the roads and noticed the bends looked more open in the camera field of view than I know them to be in real life.🤔
Engineering vibration in with the crank & then engineering it out with the balance shaft…. F9 would have a heart attack. Thanks to Moto2 the 765 engine is a masterpiece… racing improves the breed not over complicating a problem that wasn’t there in the first place
I've ridden my '23 Rally Explorer for hours on end, down the highway and I've never understood the complaints about vibration. After about 130 km/h there's a bit, but I killed that with bar end weights and Grip Puppies. It's pretty rare I go faster than that for an extended period because I need my licence to make a living. As far as stalling is concerned, that may have simply been a mapping issue. Mine stalled on me once as I slowed down in 2nd gear and pulled the clutch in. At its first service, there was a firmware update and it hasn't done it in the 10,000 kms since. I've ridden a '24 and the differences made aren't enough for me to take a loss on a trade. Very happy camper here.
Copium much. You know it's not true but want to convince yourself you made the correct decision when it is a shitty bike especially when compared to the bmws and multistradas.
Sorry bro. That feeling of yours is called decision reinforcement. The fact that Triumph has made the changes is that the problem existed. One look at the sales chart shows the GS is king of the class. BMW had 40 years to perfect their machine and it shows. The Tiger will always be the second best in the ADV class for a while.
Glad you enjoy your bike, but anyone that's ridden the older model with the even firing order would know that it was what made the bike an absolute treat!
@@ajojoseph6052 I bought a used 2020 Tiger because of the incredible deal I got and I can say it is the best sounding ADV (more of a sport touring machine, really) especially with an aftermarket pipe - but the GS was and always will be my first choice if I had the money for it.
@@uttamgala7186 Yes the 1200s are out on big discounts at least in the US. I saw one for 1000s off MSRP and free panniers. BMWs are also discounted but still not by much. I brought my GSA last year for much under MSRP due to overstock by dealers and timing. Plus the BMW is more accessible for shorter riders with factory low suspension. The old Tiger came with low suspension and new one deleted and added a gimmick when sales were bad. Its really hard to make a bad bike these days. Sadly the bigger Tiger will sit on the shelf in spite of its strengths
Lovely scenery to match your superb review Simon, thank you. I live 30 mins from the factory and this patriotic Brit would love to buy a Triumph, but I didn't hear anything to prise me away from my beloved Ducati V2S. Keep them coming please!
Awesome review especially explaining the issues with the original T plane crank and the analogy along with the "fix" Well done 👍 You've turned me into a subscriber subscriber
Had the 22 GT Pro and really suffered with the vibes through the bars. Sold it after 7000 miles. What did transform the riding was a set of Dunlop Roadsmart 4's. The Dunlops sat the bike a little higher which helped with the ground clearance and made it so much easier to put on the main stand. Got a Multi V4s now. Great review.
Staying with my 1250GS. Soooo much better at low speed handling, loads of torque and enough power for my needs. I purchased the BMW after test riding both the Tiger and the BMW.
I was looking to change from my 1250GS end of 23, the Tiger 1200 was very much on the shortlist, so many good points but I felt the engine was so harsh by comparison. The previous 1200 had a great engine. Despite loving other aspects I couldn’t get past the vibes. Bought a 1250GSA.
The GS boxer vibrates less than the 1200? Sincerely asking. When I test rode a 1250, I did not like it...Never ridden a 1200. Daydreaming about the 900 Rally Pro!
I have to say I was surprised especially with the reputation the boxer has. I’ve two friends who have 2023 tigers, both ridden my GS and find the BMW engine smoother. Don’t get me wrong, they love their Triumphs but one said he thought the Tiger felt more “ agricultural “ his words.
I own a Tiger 900 2023 model. The vibes are not a big deal as some people make out. About 85 mpg maybe you feel it a little bit but nothing that makes your hands numb or anything like that. And remember you have cruise control as well.
I have a 2017 Explorer XRx and absolutely love it. 'Based on the comments, I think I will do everything possible to keep in running and make it my last bike. I also don't need/like all the tech jammed into the latest versions of anything. My cat has ride modes and a non-LCD display. As long as the basic bits stay in good safe working order, I'll put up as many miles as I can squeeze into the time I have left to ride. Brilliant review as always from BikeSocial!
Good review. I'd like to tour in Scotland again. I've got a '23 Rally Pro and this does sound like a good enhancement of the engine. I found vibes only mildly annoying when cruising at 80mph+, which luckily isn't most of my riding, but it would be nicer without them. Overall though, it is great bike. You get used to the size, the performance is excellent and with 50/50 tyres I've just fitted it was surprisingly competant on muddy green lanes. With the suspension in sport it is stiff enough for twisty roads while it can be very relaxed with the damping dialled right back.
On their new 900 they've increased power with new pistons, etc. Have they also made similar engine changes highlighted in this video to reduce the vibration on the 900?
Sadly, my 2023 GT Pro has been written off by a car driver who "didn't see me". The bike was immaculate with just 4500 miles. But how shocked was I with the offer from Bennetts/AGEAS - £14K. So apparent from bad depreciation, Triumph's "update" or should I say "fix" has dumped the prices of 2022/3 models. I'm just glad I didn't have a Rally Pro, they are even worse! I'm pretty unhappy as I would have kept my bike for 5 years to reduce the depreciation. It's a superb bike, having come from mostly inline 4's I loved the response of the T Plane engine. But I can't shake the feeling that I've very been unlucky and the marketing of these updates for 2024 have done nothing to help me.
Not everyone had that happen. It only happened to me once, at about 600 kms. After the first service last year and a firmware update, it never happened again. Must have been a mapping issue.
Good question - my GT Pro doesn’t vibe or at least vibe so much I even notice it………but the btych will on occasion stall, not funny in busy traffic or setting off on a tight turn up a hill for example
The 2023 takes a long time to break in. After 20,000 miles and 3 recommended service/maintenance calls, vibes became an afterthought at reasonable highway speeds. I almost sold it because the snatchy throttle was continually jerking my back. Fuel delivery is now notably smoother. Stalling upon take off - and slowing to a stop - is of course dangerous in traffic, but stalling is now uncommon in comparison to when it was a lower mileage bike. At first the adjustable seat seemed gimmicky, but i've learned how and when to use it and glad that it's manually operated. I rarely use the home button for anything beyond lowering the seat anyway. Though I would like to see the seat height button on the left - as occasionally I'll juggle the throttle and seat height at the same time - but no big deal. My 1200 Rally Pro has now logged 32,750 miles.
Changing preload is not the same as adding weight. If there is no statistic sag with a lighter person on board the bike will drop more with the bike loaded with a heavier person. If the bike has static sag adjusting the preload will adjust the position of the shock within the spring regardless of the weight.
So they made a bike with an inherently unbalanced crank design which they have now had to modify to avoid unnecessary vibration and added weight to increase inertia to stop it stalling, combined with making the bike too tall for most users and have now had to add a height reduction feature….feels like they have tried too hard to appeal to a very small band of customers who are actually going to use off road…..
Have you tried one... Ok I'm biased as I own a 2023one, but for me the engine is one of the things I love the most... The character from the engine is amazing, I love it
Congrats! Very good content! Please comment on the stiffness of the GT Pro front suspension....I did not like it on the 22' version....it dives a lot and the feedback is not good. I had a 2019 XCA and despite its weight, I felt more confident in breaking and tipping in compared to a 2022 test drive I rode in Interlagos (BTW it was the explorer version). How did you like it and do you think a thicker oil would improve that feeling? Tks!!!!!!
I own the 2022 Rally Explorer and I don’t see the problem with the vibrations yes they are there but definitely not intrusive but I am looking forward to lowering of the suspension but it would have been nice if it did it automatically but this is better than nothing. But I don’t believe the new engine upgrade is worth the change of my Tiger 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔so what are your thoughts on this Si 🤔🤔🤔
I tried three 2022 Tiger 1200s and whilst there were things that put me off, the engine was the highlight and i didnt stall it or even notice these so called issues. Despite being a great bike, the fit and finish, high service costs and poor Triumph backup put me off.
Sounds a lot better, but the lack of Adaptive Cruise is the deal breaker for me, it's a feature I've been consistently using on tour for 3 years now (KTM1290S). As a KTM rider I know all about engine "character" LOL
Trouble is where would they put the big flat plastic box housing the radar? It would be really awkward to add to the design. I find it a really ugly feature on bikes that have it (1300GS, Multistrada etc). I've been perfectly happy with standard cruise control.
Looking to upgrade my 2016 800 xca. Ultra smooth gearbox, motor and handles very well. I would like a little more power but a viby bike after about 8 hrs. on the road is no fun. Besides they are only sending 1200s with the large tank to US. Rode a 1300 BMW. Ok bike but different. It would take some getting use to. I Guess I will just keep looking.
There doesn’t seem to be an official Sat Nav mount for it in the Truimph accessories list. Anyone know where you’d mount it on one on these, as the handle for adjusting the screen is in the place it would go on a GS?
I've been riding the kawasaki vulcan 1600 V twin and a Victory Vision while pulling a Bushtec trailer behind me. I keep thinking of changing my riding style up in a big way. I keep seeing the Tiger. My inseam is about 31" I wonder how this Triumph Tiger would be. Does this bike have a wet clutch?
I purchased a 23 GT Explorer and noticed vibration in the handlebars. I also was thinking the 24 models had some sort of rubber bushing in the handlebar mount to help with the vibration. I did try to get my dealer to download the software to get the suspension to lower when pressing the home button. They tried and said it was only available on the Rally version. I'm not sure if they even tried to update the software or not. Great video and thanks for the information.
I purchased a 23 model GT Pro in December as I was offered such a good deal. Mine came from the dealer with the software update for the suspension so it can be done. I’m really happy with my bike although I don’t seem to be bothered by any vibrations although I assume this is a personal thing.
I bought the Evotech heavy bar ends. I do feel a difference, although the vibes didn't bother me much to start with. Re: the software update, your dealer is lying, I had the screen changed on my GT Pro under warranty and all the software updates went on including the suspension lowering one. Guess they just couldn't be bothered.
As a long time Triumph owner, who still has *three* 120 Triumph degree triples & 4 cyl multies, for me Triumph can truly stick the T plane crank where the sun doesnt shine. Why they had to mess with the lovely 120 degree motors & saddle it with a vibey T plane crank & very heavy shaft is beyond me 🤷 And no I dont like bavarian twins either ! The 1200RS Speedie motor is so much smoother by comparison. So i for one i shant be buying any more Triumphs or BMW's that feel like twins 🙄
@@andrewshore262 The V4S Multistrada is a much better option for me, however I just don't want the complexity of Radar & machine speed control taken away from the rider by 6 axis imu etc either, so my Tiger SE, 94R Speedie & Street are staying, I'll probably continue to invest in more classic bikes & other vehicles, as the current Triumphs are just not for me 🤷 A 120 degree 1200RS engined chain driven Sprint RS1200 or Tiger Sport RS1200 with 17" wheels would change my mind however 🤘
@@Neil1052 The V4 Ducati Multi is a cracking machine……at one hell of a price, not sure if you’ve taken one out (not comfortable over distance for me it’s the seat) but the performance / handling put it right at the top. That said the only real complaint I have about my Triumph 1200 GT Pro isn’t vibration it genuinely is not an issue, but it will sporadically stall which if you’re not careful will bite you hard. So I’m not very impressed with situation Triumph has left owners in following this update / refresh. Fortunately for me I bagged an ex demo about a year ago with less than a 1000 miles on it and a big lump of money off the asking, love the bike, love the brand but unhappy with this latest move that’s how it goes sometimes. Hopefully they can resolve using software.
I start the bike, put my helmet and gloves on and the screen is up and running long before I do my gloves up. It's literally a few seconds. And you don't have to wait for it either. Fire it up and go. In a few seconds, it's all there.
Best looking TFT I’ve seen on any bike and to be perfectly honest, when you’re using it in real life the delay isn’t that noticeable. Press the button and by the time you look it’s got the next screen up.
@@Saitamabaldopm I've got $50 that says the clown that said it was "one of the shittiest tft screen on a bike ever" has never seen the bike in person, let alone ridden one. Gotta love social media. Lol
I bought a new 2023 GT PRO about 2 months ago. Put 500 hard twisty canyon miles on it in less a week, and then i traded her in due to 2 reasons: the first is cornering clearance - you said they raised the pegs. The 2nd reason was driveshaft lash/klunk, which I'd feel going from off-throttle to on-throttle at speed, which would upset suspension and chassis mid-corner, as id start to roll-on. Did they resolve this drivetrain lash???
@@rideronthestormc968 I found putting the suspension in Sports mode and being less heavy on brakes into a corner helped, but I was riding on the edge of the tyres.
Great review, but I wish you'd keep both hands on the 'bars. You're a much more experienced rider than me, but I can't help thinking, if you came across a rock in the middle of the road, or a patch of oil mid-turn, you'd have much more chance of staying on if both hands were involved.
A one handed review. Talk about talking with your hand …at speed. Bogus that those of us that purchased the 23’ RP has to just deal with the stalling, vibes, and the rough idling issues. Did I mention the poor dealership service structure here in the states? If I could trade for non triumph without losing my shirt I would. I won’t buy another one.
I put up with two dealerships in the PacNW because they have been good at making the best of what's available to them/us, however I've been indifferent and even soured on the parent company long before wearing out the first pair of tires on a 1200 Rally Pro
A tremendous technical tour de force. But. So big. So heavy. So complicated. So expensive. I wouldn't dare take it on anything other than tarmac. And easy riding. The rumored 660 explorer is much more at my level, and might efen be affordable. Strange, but the bike that excites me most at the moment is the CF450MT. Which i guess says a lot about me. But if it's as good as it looks its a genuine go anywhere teavel bike. At just over a quarter of the price of this. The manufacturers of big bikes like this are losing sight of where it's at. ( my opinion) Ride safe 👍
Not ridden any bmw 1200 or 1250 that suffers from low rpm stalling and I put plenty of miles up on both. 1300 is even gruntier. Loads more torque on tap at low revs than the trumpets.
It's not accurate to say that Tigers "suffer" from stalling. The people that happened to are the few and the loud. It happened once to me, at 600 kms. After a firmware update at its first service last year, it hasn't done it since. 10,000 kms later.
@kevinhealer3497 my Gen1 stalls when changing down to second if you're also braking significantly. Seems to be a software issue. Have learned to work around it, but it's def. a thing.
Much as it pains me to say. You guys are absolutely rinsing MCN right now. Not in an adversarial sense. More detail. More honesty. Captions on every video for those who hear less well. And reviewers with a real sense of what we want. Conditions, tyres, vibrations, mechanical feel. Simon rovked this review.
For Triumph to have to redesign the new engine after only 2 years is very poor. Why didn’t they do it before! Instantly devalues the previous version massively and pisses off the owners. 😢
The vibration problems are minimum compared with the clutch problems. I don't care if they made it in Indonesia, in China in moon, Triumph must see the problem seriously and starting recalling the bikes and fix them. They ask 24000 euro for the rally explorer so they must get serious and give a solution to Tiger owners.
A bizarre review... And bizarre updates by Triumph. I have a 2023 GT Pro, but all that Triumph are doing to market their updated model is to suggest their old one was flawed. I'm very much in the camp that it is not flawed and this is all b*LL*x . Still I blame owners who unlike BMW owners are happier moaning about every minor point. Perhaps they should go and get a 1300GS and "enjoy" some of the issues with that bike. I bet the average rider won't notice any difference from these tweaks, but Triumph will pi$$ off their existing owners. By the way the suspension thing applies to the 22/23 models after a software update (you do mention it but others may miss it)
That’s very true, I’ve just traded in my 2023 1200 Explorer for a 2024 900 GT Pro (which I did the NC500 on last week) and other than a bit of 6th gear torque for overtaking. There is no difference between the two in ridebility.
@@rickp9946 it does, but at the same time it feels just as reliable/well structured. I’m not sure if that coming across well but you know how weight makes you feel like something is well made? Anyway, the 900 is about 40/50kg lighter and it fits me personally much better. (5ft 9)
@@Saitamabaldopm Thanks for replying. I get what you mean. I’m 5ft 10-ish and 154lb/70Kg so not that big really which means I would prefer a smaller bike. I’ll try one out. Thanks again.
@@rickp9946 no worries! It’s great having the bigger bike but in truth, the day to day is much better on the 900. I did the NC500 around Scotland last week. Fully laden with luggage and I was really impressed with how the bike performed!
Well Triumph lost my custom after my brand-new 1050 Tiger 2010 spit me off on a slow speed turn slightly up hill turning into a road. I ended up laid on the road with the top heavy bike on top of me with a broken shoulder, damaged knee, crushed foot and smashed indicators. Oh yes said Triumph that is a "feature" to save fuel with our new fuel mapping. Good bye Triumph, hello BMW. Stupid engineering with no clue how people actually ride. Oh yes just to mention I have clocked over 43 years riding experience in all seasons , all over the world with over 350, 000 miles and will never ride a Triumph again.
Beauty is subjective and personally I think the R1300GS is ugly. The 1250GSA is a much better looking bike than the newer 1300. Also, the amount of comments by you attacking other people’s decisions on liking their own bike is ridiculous. It just goes to show what a terrible person you are…
I own a 2023. I wouldnt have bought the bike without the engine being the way it is. Been riding for over 10 years now. Been on everything from a vespa, to my 200mph modified ZX14r and everything in between.
The vibey T Plane is my favorite engine ive ever had the opportunity to operate. It genuinely feels like the bike is a animal beneath you, and it rewards you differently at different RPMs. The smoothness of every other engine ive experienced now feels almost like some electric car, and the tiger is SO SO satisfying to open up and feel it come alive underneath you like some muscle car.
But yes, if you want to hop on the highway and drone out to eat up miles and nothing else, sure, get a goldwing or K1600, or better yet, take a car. But i stand by it, the 2022, and 2023 tiger is something different, something special, something that actually feels alive.
A real user review. I have exactly the same opinion !
I just bought the 2023… glad I didn’t go up to the 2024
I own the 2023 Tiger 1200 GT Pro and I don't understand the complaints about vibrations. Does it vibrate? Yes, but not excessively. It's a motorcycle. It's supposed to be alive. If you want no vibes, stay on your couch.
Yes, never bothered me at all on an extended test ride I had on the early model.
Exactly,they should try riding the bikes I was on in the late 70's and 80's
Much like chilies people feel vibrations very differently. Rode a friends Versys 650 and it was like having an electric toothbrush under each boot, he felt nothing. Very odd, but that’s life.
Two of my mates have 2022 1200 gt pro's , and they both said " not a problem " , so i had a go on both of tigers and guess what " not a problem "
These journalists never seem to feel the BMW g's vibes though , for some reason.
Example when testing the new Stelvio Moto Guzzi a journo complained of the slight rock at idle when throttle blipped , but loved the character of the BMW when it did the same thing
Another brilliant review Simon, no one does it better. 👍
Phew, you bugger. That last little tumble scene had me going there.
Always a good watch the Bennetts stuff, whoever the reviewer is but Simons reviews have that little extra pazzaz and sparkle. Nice one.
Probably could sell more GT's (900&1200) if they went back to the original triple firing order....
I'd buy one.
Agreed but it remains a singularly top heavy beast which is a pain to move around, especially when loaded. I sold mine because I was fed up wrestling the thing.
@@ReferenceFidelityComponentsno issues for me
@@ReferenceFidelityComponents In confronto col vecchio 1200,sembra una 900
I absolutely love my 2020 Desert Edition. Now with a pipe on it, I love that sweet, sweet triple symphony even more every time I get on the throttle in the twisties!
With regard to the vibs on the 22 & 23 models - many owners like me have added Evotech's bar end weights. They are a game changer as far as we are concerned. Gone are the intrusive vibs which would numb your hands after less than an hour!
Nice one Si. Having owned a 1200GT Explorer (for 3 months), it needed fixing, I completely failed to gel with it and traded it for an R1250RS which is way better for my application. Glad to see they've addressed some of the issues I had with it.
Good job. Was pleased to see you did the review of this bike in MCN recently. Enjoyed watching this for the roads as this is my old stomping ground! Interestingly, this may be the first CZcams video where I was very familiar with the roads and noticed the bends looked more open in the camera field of view than I know them to be in real life.🤔
Engineering vibration in with the crank & then engineering it out with the balance shaft…. F9 would have a heart attack.
Thanks to Moto2 the 765 engine is a masterpiece… racing improves the breed not over complicating a problem that wasn’t there in the first place
As an Engineer, I concur it's crazy, the Speed 1200RS motor *as is* would be so much easier to use & not saddle the bike with a heavy shaft FFS !
I've ridden my '23 Rally Explorer for hours on end, down the highway and I've never understood the complaints about vibration. After about 130 km/h there's a bit, but I killed that with bar end weights and Grip Puppies. It's pretty rare I go faster than that for an extended period because I need my licence to make a living. As far as stalling is concerned, that may have simply been a mapping issue. Mine stalled on me once as I slowed down in 2nd gear and pulled the clutch in. At its first service, there was a firmware update and it hasn't done it in the 10,000 kms since. I've ridden a '24 and the differences made aren't enough for me to take a loss on a trade. Very happy camper here.
Copium much. You know it's not true but want to convince yourself you made the correct decision when it is a shitty bike especially when compared to the bmws and multistradas.
Sorry bro. That feeling of yours is called decision reinforcement. The fact that Triumph has made the changes is that the problem existed. One look at the sales chart shows the GS is king of the class. BMW had 40 years to perfect their machine and it shows. The Tiger will always be the second best in the ADV class for a while.
Glad you enjoy your bike, but anyone that's ridden the older model with the even firing order would know that it was what made the bike an absolute treat!
@@ajojoseph6052 I bought a used 2020 Tiger because of the incredible deal I got and I can say it is the best sounding ADV (more of a sport touring machine, really) especially with an aftermarket pipe - but the GS was and always will be my first choice if I had the money for it.
@@uttamgala7186 Yes the 1200s are out on big discounts at least in the US. I saw one for 1000s off MSRP and free panniers. BMWs are also discounted but still not by much. I brought my GSA last year for much under MSRP due to overstock by dealers and timing. Plus the BMW is more accessible for shorter riders with factory low suspension. The old Tiger came with low suspension and new one deleted and added a gimmick when sales were bad. Its really hard to make a bad bike these days. Sadly the bigger Tiger will sit on the shelf in spite of its strengths
I have done over 20,000 miles on the 2022 GT Explorer. Fantastic bike, much prefer it to the old model.
Great review!
Same with me, just about to hit 20k as well. Absolutely love the bike, best I've ever had.
Lovely scenery to match your superb review Simon, thank you. I live 30 mins from the factory and this patriotic Brit would love to buy a Triumph, but I didn't hear anything to prise me away from my beloved Ducati V2S. Keep them coming please!
It’s a hell of a lot heavier and my V2S would be a lot more fun on those roads👍
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Awesome review especially explaining the issues with the original T plane crank and the analogy along with the "fix"
Well done 👍
You've turned me into a subscriber subscriber
Plus they added the handlebar damping mount on the GT Pro and Rally Pro models which was always on the Explorer models.
Had the 22 GT Pro and really suffered with the vibes through the bars. Sold it after 7000 miles. What did transform the riding was a set of Dunlop Roadsmart 4's. The Dunlops sat the bike a little higher which helped with the ground clearance and made it so much easier to put on the main stand. Got a Multi V4s now. Great review.
Staying with my 1250GS. Soooo much better at low speed handling, loads of torque and enough power for my needs. I purchased the BMW after test riding both the Tiger and the BMW.
I was looking to change from my 1250GS end of 23, the Tiger 1200 was very much on the shortlist, so many good points but I felt the engine was so harsh by comparison. The previous 1200 had a great engine. Despite loving other aspects I couldn’t get past the vibes.
Bought a 1250GSA.
Likewise 👍 Triumphs loss, triple should be 120 crank otherwise what’s the point……
The GS boxer vibrates less than the 1200? Sincerely asking.
When I test rode a 1250, I did not like it...Never ridden a 1200.
Daydreaming about the 900 Rally Pro!
I have to say I was surprised especially with the reputation the boxer has. I’ve two friends who have 2023 tigers, both ridden my GS and find the BMW engine smoother. Don’t get me wrong, they love their Triumphs but one said he thought the Tiger felt more “ agricultural “ his words.
@@hartley383I agree, rode both a 1250 GS Trophy and a Tiger 1200, and while both feel agricultural to me, it's more noticeable in the Triumph.
Simon a great video review. Well done.
I own a Tiger 900 2023 model. The vibes are not a big deal as some people make out. About 85 mpg maybe you feel it a little bit but nothing that makes your hands numb or anything like that. And remember you have cruise control as well.
I have a 2017 Explorer XRx and absolutely love it. 'Based on the comments, I think I will do everything possible to keep in running and make it my last bike.
I also don't need/like all the tech jammed into the latest versions of anything. My cat has ride modes and a non-LCD display. As long as the basic bits stay in good safe working order, I'll put up as many miles as I can squeeze into the time I have left to ride.
Brilliant review as always from BikeSocial!
Good review. I'd like to tour in Scotland again.
I've got a '23 Rally Pro and this does sound like a good enhancement of the engine. I found vibes only mildly annoying when cruising at 80mph+, which luckily isn't most of my riding, but it would be nicer without them.
Overall though, it is great bike. You get used to the size, the performance is excellent and with 50/50 tyres I've just fitted it was surprisingly competant on muddy green lanes. With the suspension in sport it is stiff enough for twisty roads while it can be very relaxed with the damping dialled right back.
On their new 900 they've increased power with new pistons, etc. Have they also made similar engine changes highlighted in this video to reduce the vibration on the 900?
Sadly, my 2023 GT Pro has been written off by a car driver who "didn't see me". The bike was immaculate with just 4500 miles. But how shocked was I with the offer from Bennetts/AGEAS - £14K. So apparent from bad depreciation, Triumph's "update" or should I say "fix" has dumped the prices of 2022/3 models. I'm just glad I didn't have a Rally Pro, they are even worse! I'm pretty unhappy as I would have kept my bike for 5 years to reduce the depreciation. It's a superb bike, having come from mostly inline 4's I loved the response of the T Plane engine. But I can't shake the feeling that I've very been unlucky and the marketing of these updates for 2024 have done nothing to help me.
Excellent review Simon, a real contender now 👍🏻
Very informative. Thanks for the review
Question, why are we hearing about the stalling issue now that the new bike is out? Why no one in their “unbiased” reviews ever mentioned it?
Not everyone had that happen. It only happened to me once, at about 600 kms. After the first service last year and a firmware update, it never happened again. Must have been a mapping issue.
It happened multiple times to many people. But the fan girls don't wanna hear anything about it. The posts got quickly down voted in reddit.
@@Kevimoto well it happened to enough people that made Triumph redesign the engine 🤷🏼♂️
Good question - my GT Pro doesn’t vibe or at least vibe so much I even notice it………but the btych will on occasion stall, not funny in busy traffic or setting off on a tight turn up a hill for example
I’m in Spain at the moment on my 2022 GT Explorer. I’ve done loads of miles on it and I simply don’t get the complaints about the vibration.
No review, like a professional review. Nice work Si.👍🏻
The 2023 takes a long time to break in.
After 20,000 miles and 3 recommended service/maintenance calls, vibes became an afterthought at reasonable highway speeds. I almost sold it because the snatchy throttle was continually jerking my back. Fuel delivery is now notably smoother.
Stalling upon take off - and slowing to a stop - is of course dangerous in traffic, but stalling is now uncommon in comparison to when it was a lower mileage bike.
At first the adjustable seat seemed gimmicky, but i've learned how and when to use it and glad that it's manually operated. I rarely use the home button for anything beyond lowering the seat anyway. Though I would like to see the seat height button on the left - as occasionally I'll juggle the throttle and seat height at the same time - but no big deal.
My 1200 Rally Pro has now logged 32,750 miles.
I have the 2022 GT Pro and no vibration or stalling issues in 5k miles. Could do with the higher foot pegs though 😁
Changing preload is not the same as adding weight. If there is no statistic sag with a lighter person on board the bike will drop more with the bike loaded with a heavier person. If the bike has static sag adjusting the preload will adjust the position of the shock within the spring regardless of the weight.
So they made a bike with an inherently unbalanced crank design which they have now had to modify to avoid unnecessary vibration and added weight to increase inertia to stop it stalling, combined with making the bike too tall for most users and have now had to add a height reduction feature….feels like they have tried too hard to appeal to a very small band of customers who are actually going to use off road…..
Yes, but all those things mean they can raise the price on the new model! It’s a brilliant business decision!
Have you tried one... Ok I'm biased as I own a 2023one, but for me the engine is one of the things I love the most... The character from the engine is amazing, I love it
Like me. I love my '23 Rally Explorer. 👌
It's a lemon, ofcourse those who bought it will say it's good to convince themselves. Do yourself a favor and get the 1300gs or the multistrada
@@MrKaataan I've owned plenty of bikes over 20+ years of riding to know whether my bike is a lemon or not... And it's not
Congrats! Very good content! Please comment on the stiffness of the GT Pro front suspension....I did not like it on the 22' version....it dives a lot and the feedback is not good. I had a 2019 XCA and despite its weight, I felt more confident in breaking and tipping in compared to a 2022 test drive I rode in Interlagos (BTW it was the explorer version). How did you like it and do you think a thicker oil would improve that feeling? Tks!!!!!!
Another great review telling us all we need to know about the bike. But always worth a test ride before shelling out £18,000.🥴
The best reviewer. 👍🏻
Did triumph make these t plane changes to the 2024 tiger 900 as well?
Dukes Pass area, great fun on a warm day with my much lighter Multi V2S, I’d prefer the 900 version on those roads👍
Excellent review 👍
its a lovely bike and a great review. you can buy a new super adventure for £15,000. that's a big difference
I own the 2022 Rally Explorer and I don’t see the problem with the vibrations yes they are there but definitely not intrusive but I am looking forward to lowering of the suspension but it would have been nice if it did it automatically but this is better than nothing. But I don’t believe the new engine upgrade is worth the change of my Tiger 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔so what are your thoughts on this Si 🤔🤔🤔
I tried three 2022 Tiger 1200s and whilst there were things that put me off, the engine was the highlight and i didnt stall it or even notice these so called issues. Despite being a great bike, the fit and finish, high service costs and poor Triumph backup put me off.
Sounds a lot better, but the lack of Adaptive Cruise is the deal breaker for me, it's a feature I've been consistently using on tour for 3 years now (KTM1290S). As a KTM rider I know all about engine "character" LOL
Trouble is where would they put the big flat plastic box housing the radar? It would be really awkward to add to the design. I find it a really ugly feature on bikes that have it (1300GS, Multistrada etc). I've been perfectly happy with standard cruise control.
Looking to upgrade my 2016 800 xca. Ultra smooth gearbox, motor and handles very well. I would like a little more power but a viby bike after about 8 hrs. on the road is no fun. Besides they are only sending 1200s with the large tank to US. Rode a 1300 BMW. Ok bike but different. It would take some getting use to. I Guess I will just keep looking.
Think I'm going to need a test ride
There doesn’t seem to be an official Sat Nav mount for it in the Truimph accessories list. Anyone know where you’d mount it on one on these, as the handle for adjusting the screen is in the place it would go on a GS?
I have no vibration on my 2023 rally pro
Winston likes it !
Boy that man can ride....not sure about the 3 testes Scot though.
I've been riding the kawasaki vulcan 1600 V twin and a Victory Vision while pulling a Bushtec trailer behind me. I keep thinking of changing my riding style up in a big way. I keep seeing the Tiger. My inseam is about 31" I wonder how this Triumph Tiger would be. Does this bike have a wet clutch?
I purchased a 23 GT Explorer and noticed vibration in the handlebars. I also was thinking the 24 models had some sort of rubber bushing in the handlebar mount to help with the vibration. I did try to get my dealer to download the software to get the suspension to lower when pressing the home button. They tried and said it was only available on the Rally version. I'm not sure if they even tried to update the software or not. Great video and thanks for the information.
I purchased a 23 model GT Pro in December as I was offered such a good deal. Mine came from the dealer with the software update for the suspension so it can be done. I’m really happy with my bike although I don’t seem to be bothered by any vibrations although I assume this is a personal thing.
Heavy barends... That is all that is needed... Evotechs for example. But that don't sound as marketing friendly as increasing rising mass blurb
@@danjf I did buy the evotech hand guard protectors and they come with weights.
Ok... I didn't bother with the hand guards
I bought the Evotech heavy bar ends. I do feel a difference, although the vibes didn't bother me much to start with.
Re: the software update, your dealer is lying, I had the screen changed on my GT Pro under warranty and all the software updates went on including the suspension lowering one. Guess they just couldn't be bothered.
As a long time Triumph owner, who still has *three* 120 Triumph degree triples & 4 cyl multies, for me Triumph can truly stick the T plane crank where the sun doesnt shine. Why they had to mess with the lovely 120 degree motors & saddle it with a vibey T plane crank & very heavy shaft is beyond me 🤷 And no I dont like bavarian twins either ! The 1200RS Speedie motor is so much smoother by comparison. So i for one i shant be buying any more Triumphs or BMW's that feel like twins 🙄
So what are you going to buy?
@@andrewshore262 The V4S Multistrada is a much better option for me, however I just don't want the complexity of Radar & machine speed control taken away from the rider by 6 axis imu etc either, so my Tiger SE, 94R Speedie & Street are staying, I'll probably continue to invest in more classic bikes & other vehicles, as the current Triumphs are just not for me 🤷 A 120 degree 1200RS engined chain driven Sprint RS1200 or Tiger Sport RS1200 with 17" wheels would change my mind however 🤘
@@Neil1052 The V4 Ducati Multi is a cracking machine……at one hell of a price, not sure if you’ve taken one out (not comfortable over distance for me it’s the seat) but the performance / handling put it right at the top. That said the only real complaint I have about my Triumph 1200 GT Pro isn’t vibration it genuinely is not an issue, but it will sporadically stall which if you’re not careful will bite you hard. So I’m not very impressed with situation Triumph has left owners in following this update / refresh.
Fortunately for me I bagged an ex demo about a year ago with less than a 1000 miles on it and a big lump of money off the asking, love the bike, love the brand but unhappy with this latest move that’s how it goes sometimes. Hopefully they can resolve using software.
If there was a Best Vibration contest, which bike from what manufacturer would win?
Brian Wilson ?
How is the TFT screen, see lots of complaints about how slow it is to come to life ?
I start the bike, put my helmet and gloves on and the screen is up and running long before I do my gloves up. It's literally a few seconds. And you don't have to wait for it either. Fire it up and go. In a few seconds, it's all there.
One of the shittiest tft screen on a bike ever.
Best looking TFT I’ve seen on any bike and to be perfectly honest, when you’re using it in real life the delay isn’t that noticeable. Press the button and by the time you look it’s got the next screen up.
@@Saitamabaldopm I've got $50 that says the clown that said it was "one of the shittiest tft screen on a bike ever" has never seen the bike in person, let alone ridden one. Gotta love social media. Lol
Shame triumph didn’t make the windscreen less noisy in this facelift!
Noisy windscreen? Not sure what you mean. There's a howl from the front end, but that's the tires. I changed mine and it's gone.
Noisy windscreen? I have a Rally Explorer. The only noise I heard was the Karoo Street front tire. I changed tires and that's gone now.
Silky smooth powertrain was ruined.
such explanation while driving incredible. I thought that only woman are capable dealing with two issues the same time
The 1200 is always trying to catching up with the GS and it is always a bit short....
I bought a new 2023 GT PRO about 2 months ago. Put 500 hard twisty canyon miles on it in less a week, and then i traded her in due to 2 reasons: the first is cornering clearance - you said they raised the pegs. The 2nd reason was driveshaft lash/klunk, which I'd feel going from off-throttle to on-throttle at speed, which would upset suspension and chassis mid-corner, as id start to roll-on. Did they resolve this drivetrain lash???
I agree, I was touching the pegs down all the time on mine.
@@djidan1466 I took the feelers off the pegs
@@rideronthestormc968 I found putting the suspension in Sports mode and being less heavy on brakes into a corner helped, but I was riding on the edge of the tyres.
Great review, but I wish you'd keep both hands on the 'bars. You're a much more experienced rider than me, but I can't help thinking, if you came across a rock in the middle of the road, or a patch of oil mid-turn, you'd have much more chance of staying on if both hands were involved.
The guy at 6:10 is riding my actual bike! 🤯 Haha
Was it stolen 😱
@@philipjames3526 he's riding it like it is 😂 I got mine used from triumph dealer, ex experience/demo bike.
A one handed review. Talk about talking with your hand …at speed.
Bogus that those of us that purchased the 23’ RP has to just deal with the stalling, vibes, and the rough idling issues. Did I mention the poor dealership service structure here in the states? If I could trade for non triumph without losing my shirt I would. I won’t buy another one.
I put up with two dealerships in the PacNW because they have been good at making the best of what's available to them/us, however I've been indifferent and even soured on the parent company long before wearing out the first pair of tires on a 1200 Rally Pro
Honda transalp half the price and a very good bike.
Lots of cheaper options. There are more expensive options too.
I live just outside of Stirling, I know that road well unmarked police bikes can be found patroling that road
Cant find one forsale around me used or no so people complaining are drinking sodas and eating bon bon,s?
Make it a more decent 1300 ish cc, and change that anemic 150 rear (with 150hp!) with a more suitable 170.
A tremendous technical tour de force.
But. So big. So heavy. So complicated. So expensive.
I wouldn't dare take it on anything other than tarmac. And easy riding.
The rumored 660 explorer is much more at my level, and might efen be affordable.
Strange, but the bike that excites me most at the moment is the CF450MT. Which i guess says a lot about me. But if it's as good as it looks its a genuine go anywhere teavel bike. At just over a quarter of the price of this.
The manufacturers of big bikes like this are losing sight of where it's at. ( my opinion)
Ride safe 👍
Taking your styling ideas from Harley, that is brave 😮
Oh come on Triumph, push a button to lower the suspension, wtf!! BMW and HD do it automatically!!
Heavens, you're right pushing a button is very difficult. 😂
APR is standard on the tiger , on the so called brilliant GS , its £500 extra !!!
It’s seem Tiger vibrations are good, other motocicles review by the same person are bad vibrations… it all depends on the branch it seems…
Need to blank out your speedo😳
Pretty sure the GS also suffers from the low rpm stalling too.
Not ridden any bmw 1200 or 1250 that suffers from low rpm stalling and I put plenty of miles up on both. 1300 is even gruntier. Loads more torque on tap at low revs than the trumpets.
It's not accurate to say that Tigers "suffer" from stalling. The people that happened to are the few and the loud. It happened once to me, at 600 kms. After a firmware update at its first service last year, it hasn't done it since. 10,000 kms later.
Stalling is a common issue with this shiity bike
@kevinhealer3497 my Gen1 stalls when changing down to second if you're also braking significantly. Seems to be a software issue. Have learned to work around it, but it's def. a thing.
A good listen, but couldn’t watch! Two hands on the bars please Simon!
Much as it pains me to say. You guys are absolutely rinsing MCN right now. Not in an adversarial sense. More detail. More honesty. Captions on every video for those who hear less well. And reviewers with a real sense of what we want. Conditions, tyres, vibrations, mechanical feel. Simon rovked this review.
For Triumph to have to redesign the new engine after only 2 years is very poor. Why didn’t they do it before! Instantly devalues the previous version massively and pisses off the owners. 😢
The vibration problems are minimum compared with the clutch problems. I don't care if they made it in Indonesia, in China in moon, Triumph must see the problem seriously and starting recalling the bikes and fix them. They ask 24000 euro for the rally explorer so they must get serious and give a solution to Tiger owners.
The way you're talking you'd think England has nice weather😆I moved to Colombia where good weather is permanent
A bizarre review... And bizarre updates by Triumph. I have a 2023 GT Pro, but all that Triumph are doing to market their updated model is to suggest their old one was flawed. I'm very much in the camp that it is not flawed and this is all b*LL*x . Still I blame owners who unlike BMW owners are happier moaning about every minor point. Perhaps they should go and get a 1300GS and "enjoy" some of the issues with that bike. I bet the average rider won't notice any difference from these tweaks, but Triumph will pi$$ off their existing owners. By the way the suspension thing applies to the 22/23 models after a software update (you do mention it but others may miss it)
They are just cash grabbing and moving more production in communist regimes. Oh that sweet cheap labour.
Triumph Ducati ktm understand that electric windscreens don’t really fit on adv bike’s literally and aesthetically.
If you had been in england - would you have stated which county(s)? I bet you wouldn't have just said "England".
Indeed the bmw gs isn t an adventurebike anymore!
So where does that leave us that bought the 'prototype'?
The 900 is all the bike you'd need in reality.
That’s very true, I’ve just traded in my 2023 1200 Explorer for a 2024 900 GT Pro (which I did the NC500 on last week) and other than a bit of 6th gear torque for overtaking. There is no difference between the two in ridebility.
@@Saitamabaldopm Does the 900 feel much lighter - less top heavy? Thanks.
@@rickp9946 it does, but at the same time it feels just as reliable/well structured. I’m not sure if that coming across well but you know how weight makes you feel like something is well made?
Anyway, the 900 is about 40/50kg lighter and it fits me personally much better. (5ft 9)
@@Saitamabaldopm Thanks for replying. I get what you mean. I’m 5ft 10-ish and 154lb/70Kg so not that big really which means I would prefer a smaller bike. I’ll try one out. Thanks again.
@@rickp9946 no worries! It’s great having the bigger bike but in truth, the day to day is much better on the 900. I did the NC500 around Scotland last week. Fully laden with luggage and I was really impressed with how the bike performed!
Good, good, good, good vibrations 😂
60 mph in a 40 zone, someone needs to have a word with you about your riding!
They'd need a thesaurus. Or Roger's Profanisaurus.
Too high too heavy so why ?
instead of try some new 1050 model upgrade!! a more sporty stile, no goes after bmw gs shit
Pressing a button to lower the seat height at low speed seems like a pointless exercise. Tiger 3.0 maybe as advanced as the Harley Pan American 🤣
Careful there. Do not say it is better than a Beemer. Hamza might charge you for hare speech 🙂
Well Triumph lost my custom after my brand-new 1050 Tiger 2010 spit me off on a slow speed turn slightly up hill turning into a road. I ended up laid on the road with the top heavy bike on top of me with a broken shoulder, damaged knee, crushed foot and smashed indicators. Oh yes said Triumph that is a "feature" to save fuel with our new fuel mapping. Good bye Triumph, hello BMW. Stupid engineering with no clue how people actually ride. Oh yes just to mention I have clocked over 43 years riding experience in all seasons , all over the world with over 350, 000 miles and will never ride a Triumph again.
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What an ugly motorcycle. Can't compare to the r1300gs
Beauty is subjective and personally I think the R1300GS is ugly. The 1250GSA is a much better looking bike than the newer 1300. Also, the amount of comments by you attacking other people’s decisions on liking their own bike is ridiculous. It just goes to show what a terrible person you are…
The r1300gs is mutch more ugly
@@motorreizenineuropaendeusa3027 True - if I had a dog with a face like that, I'd shave its arse and make it walk backwards.