The Coach Built Specifically for the LIRR: The C3 Bi-Level
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- Hello and welcome to New York Penn Station! Today we are going to be checking out the LIRR’s C3 coaches, an exclusive set of bilevel cars ordered specifically for the LIRR, while heading out to Babylon on the Montauk Branch.
Trip Information
Service: LIRR Montauk Bracnh Train 4
Locomotive: EMD DE30AC 413
Consist: Six Kawasaki C3 Bilevel Coaches
Departure Time: 8:18 am
Arrival Time: 8:57 am
Journey Time: 0 hr 39 min
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0:00 Hello and Welcome to New York Penn Station!
0:16 The New LIRR Concourse
0:56 A Quick Transfer to Jamaica
1:40 Why We Need to Transfer
2:25 Our Train with C3 Coaches
2:45 Departing Jamaica
2:57 Our Route to Babylon
3:27 Seating on C3 Coaches
4:17 Elevated Seat Platforms?
4:48 Exploring the C3 Coach
6:19 Subscribe! And Check Out the Patreon!
6:43 Speeds on the LIRR
7:00 C3 Configurations and Bathrooms Onboard
7:57 Actually Useable Bag Storage
8:23 Stats for Nerds!
9:37 The Fantastic LIRR App!
10:14 Arriving in Babylon
10:32 Train 4 Departs Towards Montauk
11:21 Next Week: Metro North's Hudson Line!
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How LIRR came to be: The LIRR was chartered back in 1834 to provide a daily service between New York and Boston via a ferry connection between its Greenport terminal on Long Island's North Fork and Stonington, CT. This service was superseded in 1849 by the land route through Connecticut that became part of the New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad. The LIRR refocused its attentions towards serving Long Island. In the 1870s, railroad president Conrad Poppenhusen and his successor, Austin Corbin acquired all the railroads and consolidated them into the LIRR. Electric operation on the LIRR began in 1905.
The reason both the LIRR and MNR use third rail is because when it was built the technology for DC third rail was more heavily used, and better understood. AC overhead lines were a newer technology. Plus third rail is cheaper to build, since it doesn’t require supports for the lines. LIRR was once owned by the Penn RR and they used third rail for the tunnels entering Manhattan. Penn wouldn't do catenary lines until the 1930s.
Thank you as always, oh glorious leader. Your knowledge is second to none.
wow how did you learn all that in North Korea, I'm impressed
oh glorious leader may I please have some food
btw generally Ronkonkoma is pronounced with the emphasis on ronkon and not the koma, making koma sound more like "kuh-muh" and said quite quickly 😊
Something I’d like to point out:
The LIRR actually does reach 80mph in service, including on the C3s, but these Montauk services often follow behind a local train to Babylon with nowhere to really overtake, hence the reduced speed to 60 to avoid catching up and going slow. If you get one of the C3 from Port Jeff or Oyster Bay to Jamaica you’ll actually get up to top speed more easily.
Interesting, thank you all knowledgeable leader.
My guess is we were ironically stuck behind the local train to Babylon that we caught to Jamaica to begin with.
Diesel is regulated at 65 mph, they don't get up to 80.
@@johnnyculkin4432untrue. They definitely travel up to 80 mph. You can see this on the radar.
They USED to hit 80mph but now the trains make every stop in all 5 boroughs plus stops like QV, elmont, bellrose, floral park are in spitting distance of each other. Makes the ride sooooooo slow!
I'm surprised that train didn't run via the main line and Central branch to Babylon.
Great to see the automated announcements working because they don't always do on the C3s! The Montauk Branch is my local LIRR branch! It's a shame you didn't get to explore the true Montauk Branch as it doesn't truly begin until after Babylon where electrification ends. Montauk Branch trains doesn't always take the Babylon Branch to get to Babylon! They sometimes use the Central Branch, meaning they follow the Main Line towards Hicksville, then follow the Ronkonkoma Branch towards Bethpage, but instead of turning towards Farmingdale like Ronkonkoma trains do, they keep going south towards Babylon. Electric trains can't use the whole Central Branch because the Central Branch past Bethpage is non-electrified.
The reason they're bi-levels compared to the rest of the LIRR fleet is because the platforms on the diesel branches are shorter, and so using bi-levels will help get the capacity they want while making up for the shorter platforms. There are DE30ACs and DM30ACs, with the difference being DM30ACs can turn on electric mode to enter Penn Station. Because of the fact the DM30ACs are limited, direct service to Penn Station from the diesel branches only happen during peak hours. The locomotives will be replaced with a design based on the diesel-electric Siemens Charger, just like the Metro-North diesel fleet.
thank you so much for pointing this out!
@LI_Railfanner72 I have noticed that too, although I am not a Montauk Branch rider, there are also Active Automated Announcements on C3s running the Oyster Bay Branch
That is a big improvement for Penn station! It was always a depressing place to travel through. It always brought back the memory of the architectural review of when it was built. At the time the reviewer said one enters Philadelphia’s 30th St. station like a king into the kingdom whereas Penn station one crawls out of a hole like a rat from a sewer. I’m probably paraphrasing a little bit because it was years ago that I read that but it always stuck in my mind.
The quote was actually comparing Penn Station‘s dramatic original appearance before it was renovated in the 1960s (making way for MSG) vs. how it looked when only the concourses and platforms remained, squeezed under low ceilings.
Ah Babylon, my local LIRR station. Very cool to see you pass through here, and on the C3 no less! I love those trains, so much nostalgia...
Anyone else feel compelled to take a Magic Eraser to all the dingy beige plastic, or is it just me?
Right there with ya lol
@@LonestarTrips This is where my love of car detailing videos and train trip videos overlaps
This is the first video of the LIRR Bilevel documentary on CZcams. Nice informational video and you earned a sub!
Why thank you! I don’t think my video is the first, but I like to think it’s the best.
If you’re going to be hanging out in the tri-state in the future, get used to encountering a LOT of phonetic traps.
Ronkonkoma, for example, is four syllables, Ron-kon-ko-ma.
I pronounced it how I heard it said at Penn station.
Very nice video on this equipment. I first rode these cars when they were brand new in December of 1998. I live off the Montauk branch and commute on these every week, as well as ride them frequently whenever going into the city. They are definitely showing their age but are certainly still on the more comfortable end of LIRR's fleet and when commuting over an hour, that really makes a difference. Also you were lucky with that bathroom, some of them on these cars are extremely tattered and often don't work.
This is probably the best condition C3 I've ever seen, normally everything is broken and worn
I can’t wait for the Hudson line video. Thank go I subbed
It’s a good one for sure! And thanks for your support!
Thank You!
NJTransit also has the feature showing the consist. It’s a nice feature
5:05The seat for anyone who emphatically does NOT want to look out of the window.
Nice and informative
Why thank you!
Just a small note, the C3's don't operate on the Ronkonkoma line as show on the map at 1:54. The whole line is technically between the city and Greenport, but there is no through service at Ronkonkoma. All service west of Ronkonkoma is operate by electric trains, while all service east is operated by the C3's and locomotives. To get from Greenport and intermediate stops to points west of Ronkonkoma, one must transfer there.
10:07 The app also shows where you are on the platform and where train will stop. And what car you will be boarding when the train stops.
I ridden these C3s to Oyster Bay couple of times for gatherings at the park near the last stop. They're alright to ride it. I am glad they got their destination GPS and signage working again on most trains
I always loved them double deckers, I always sit at the bottom lol even tho the top is always the best but great video and keep up the amazing content !
I was tempted to sit on the lower level, but the upper always has better views 😊
Very informative. Hadn’t seen the luggage racks on the lower level, perhaps a new addition to the fleet. Also interesting to point out that your consist had 2 cab cars (anything that starts with #5XXX, in your case it was cars #5019 and #5006), normally they run with one cab car but perhaps there was a shortage of equipment and maybe #5019 had broken controls so they hooked it up in service to another set of cars they had laying around.
I'm adding to @adamaviation6236. As he said is correct. "kuh-muh" is the sound said quickly. Ronkonkoma is not pronounced Ron - Kon - Koma. Another way to think of the phrase "Konking" your horn, and take off the 'ing" ending sound, and pronounce: Ronkonkoma. Ronkonkuh-muh. Sound good? Thanks for the train details. A transfer to The Oyster Bay branch is also made at Mineola. Phonetically pronounced: Mini-ola. The phrasing sound said quickly as one: Mineola. I believe the Diesels loop around from Hunters Point. An example the engine reverses butt-out on return trips. So the tail end car with the bumpers in the last shot is what you see moving forward. So that returns butt-out. I think Double-headed DM's are operated during summer service to and from Montauk Point.
Babylon to Montauk is an awesome scenic route if you ever have the time would definately recommend
I remember taking a trip out to the Hamptons in summer one evening, being on the last car and watching fireflies swim around the tracks behind us as the sun set. It was magical!
@@WhyDidIJustEatThat past the Hamptons there is a stretch of track where its like right on the beach
You got a pretty rare double cab car set. Usually there’s only one cab car but your consist had two.
Nice video 👋
Glad you enjoyed as always!
I like it
There’s outlets on the train the upper deck near the stairs on each end of the c3 bi level also on the lower deck as well.
There is literally someone charging their phone when he gets on the train
His voice is like one of the old radio announcers, with lots of throat.
I remember when they were new. They had automatic announcements. Very smooth ride compared to the coaches they replaced.
When these were introduced, they replaced terribly outdated Pullman coaches, which had been in use since the 1950s. Although not perfect, they were a huge leap forward.
Sydney, Australia does those double deckers right on their T1 & T9 tracks… The seat can pivot to the direction of the trains.
I love it: a split-level train. How Long Island is that?
I’m glad you did this video🥰🥰, I love the C3 coaches despite their age, and the TrainTime app is amazing 🥲
They're great coaches even for their age!
@@LonestarTrips yeah
Hello and Welcome to Stats for Nerds!
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The Ronkonkoma branch is electrified from Penn Station to Ronkonkoma. Point further east towards Greenpoint will be non-electrified. On the Ronkonkoma branch. 1:52
Yeah I know. The maps that were shown were meant to give an idea of the routes, and to explain in general why we had to change to Jamaica.
When new, these were comfortable smooth and quiet. No need for outlets in the late 90s. The luggage racks are great for a briefcase. The elevated seat platform was oddly something I liked but can’t explain why. The overhead lights are brought closer and make it easier for reading a newspaper. Lastly the climate control always was quite comfortable. Cars from a different era….
Note: the following lirr branch lines with the c3 double decker coaches and diesel engine locomotives are Oyster Bay branch, Port Jefferson branch (east of Huntington), Ronkonkoma branch (scoots to Greenport) and Montauk branch. The c3 double decker coaches can also be used in New York Pennsylvania Station by the help of duel power mode diesel engines which allows direct service from midtown Manhattan to non electric areas in long island. Fun fact that the LIRR c3 double decker couches look visually identical to NJ transit bombardier bi level double decker couches by the looks on the blue line in the middle of the car.
Surprised to see you on my home rail road! The storage racks in the middle of the lower level are not a standard feature of the toilet trailer cars. I've literally never seen that on any train before. However, the storage racks at the ends of the car are normally divided in two with a shelf instead of just one big bin like the one you saw. Also like others have mentioned, the seats aren't actually raised up, but rather the aisle is lowered to allow more headroom when walking through the car. On the lower level, the aisle sits in between the bogies. so the seats can't be made any lower. There's no more vertical space because the cars are designed to fit into the East River Tubes. The luggage racks above the seats aren't big but they're designed for commuters who are likely to carry briefcases and not large bags.
413 has a very good K5LLA horn most of the locomotives have K5LLs
The reason the C-3’s have their awkward design was to make clearance in the East River tunnels of being hauled by a dual mode to Penn. They needed to get creative to shave an inch here and an inch there. The overhead racks are for commuters who only need to put a brief case up there.
C3's have one pair of outlets on each floor usually at the ends.
I think I heard LIRR and Metro North are planning to get venture coaches Togo with the Siemens chargers they will be getting
The next time LIRR is ordering a new Push pull rail car, it will need to be designed to fit into Grand Central Madison
Does anyone know if there could be a Bilevel designed to fit int GCM for LIRR
Just so you know, I Live 15 blocks away from the Murray Hill lirr on the port Washington line. I don’t think you can go straight to Montauk
There seems to be a significant emphasis on luggage. While I am sure there are those who have luggage remember these are commuter trains, that have a major purpose, to get people from home to NYC and back, most do not have a lot of luggage, maybe that is why there are the number and size of racks. remember this is the busiest rr in the us and I really think the mTA knows what it is doing.
*Rectangular Prism*
Do you have plans for a video for the Amtrak Silver Meteor? I'm thinking of traveling in December.
I do not at the moment. I took the Star as a part of a journey I’ll be posting in a couple weeks, but I haven’t done the full ride (yet). If Brightline opens tickets for summer rides, then I’ll tag the Meteor or Star onto that adventure, but for now, nothing’s set in stone.
The seats aren’t raised up, the isle is dropped down between the wheels. The trains are built that way due to height restrictions on the line. That storage cubby looks like it was meant for bicycles.
Kinda rare to find a 6 car train without two engines, I have yet to see the day for LIRR Diesels to exceed 6 cars without 2 engines
When will the app show the occupancy of the bathrooms, that's the sort of valuable information you need! Also, I'm still waiting for onboard wifi to provide a nose camera like on an airplane so I can see how fast (slow) we're going and/or pretend I'm driving even if not in the front car.
Who knows, man. Sometimes the bathrooms don’t even know their own occupancy, so I think it’ll be a while before we see anything pushed to the app. The nose can would be sick though. Doesn’t have to be super high quality, but a little something for those with longer journeys.
@@LonestarTrips Patent Pending on that idea. Though if you now see that feature on some new train set, you'll know they likely stole my idea and I didn't get a dollar or it.
Electric Outlet is under tthe 1 in the 2/1 booths in your picture
Because of the C3s, they had to close all the stops in Queens on the old montauk line between LIC and Jamaica because they have no low platform capabilities
DOUBLE DECKER DIESEL DOUBLE DECKER DIESEL DOUBLE DECKER DIESEL CHOO CHOO TRAIN
If you guys don’t know what LIRR stands for, LIRR stands for…Long Island Rail Road. I know a lot about trains! 😀
Double decker diesel choo choo train...😂😂😂😂
Are you sure track speeds limit the train to 60? I thought it was 80. I ride that line very often, usually on m7 car train. When I can I sit in the jump seat near the conductor chair, which sometimes allows visual access to a speedometer. At our fastest they typically top out in the high 70s.
C3's are compressed because they have to fit into Penn Station. As for the raised seats, IDK...
Well done.This was amazing! Some of these trains take the mainline to the central branch then to Babylon. Back before they triple tracked that line. I enjoyed sitting or standing in the first coach to listen to that sweet horn from the engine hauling us. I didnt even know they had the racks on the lower deck. I Always sat on top. I made two videos before the triple track project began one from Babylon to Jamacia and the other from Jamacia to Babylon. Both on the central Branch on the diesel trains. Cant wait for the next video. Keep up the good work!
Ah yes, Cape Cod central has 2 of these coaches, although they’re not quite C3 coaches, they’re C1’s
Oh true! I want to head out to the Cape to check those out. Who knows when, but it’s certainly on the list.
@@LonestarTrips same with the cape cod flyer! It’s one of the few commuter lines with a first class option last I checked. I live like 10 minutes from the buzzards bay train station.
Those coaches are over 30 years old and should be replaced with a single level design that would allow DM hauled trains to run to Grand Central or Atlantic Terminal.
Come to Spain bro 🚅🇪🇸
I think I like NJ Transit's multilevel coaches better than the LIRR's b-level coaches.
When was this filmed? 7:39
This was filmed in late February of this year.
@@LonestarTripsThank you 🥰🥰🥰
@@LonestarTrips was this filmed before or after the February 27th?
That was weird that you were suppose to pick up your train at Penn Station but had to use a transfer train instead. Also, since you turned off the comments in your video of Septa from Wilmington to Philadelphia, I'll comment here to say I felt some type of way when the Silverliner 5 cars came out & was told not to sit in the very front seat.
Comments shouldn’t be off on that video? I’ll check.
Train #4? I was certain LIRR trains have four digit train numbers.
Edit: it's clearly train 8704, from your app screenshots.
The timetable for the Montauk branch for May to September of 2023 shows it as #4.
@@LonestarTrips when they started running trains to Grand Central they changed all the train numbers. Montauk branch train number are now 1 or 2 digits now
Speeds arent correct. West of babylon is 80 and east is 65. 65 is the norm for all diesel lines execpt for the greenport branch. Great video though. I enjoy these long island videos
Thanks for the correction! I was going based on what I could find for the route traveled in this video, but clearly my information was off. I’m glad you enjoyed the video, even with the error!
Exclusive or specifically should never be the case. Custom built must have drawbacks for cost, design time, materials, build time, certification, testing, maintenance, repairs, and limits to constraints to future rebuilds. How these were even approved to be sourced is beyond me.
No, track speeds top out at 80.
Ron-on-coma, LOL! It's Ronkonkoma, just said straight forward. Honestly, I think those are beyond ugly. Bombardier did a much better job with NJT and their multi-levels.
I pronounced it how I heard it said at Penn station.
@@LonestarTrips Really? They must had a different PIDS person that day. It's all good though.
"Ronkonkoma" 😭
I pronounced it how I heard it said at Penn station.
@@LonestarTrips it's Ron-kon-ko-ma lol
Too bad that you didn't get a train that went down the Central Branch. It's different than the Babylon Branch.
Yeah I was really hoping to head down the central branch, but I’ll take what I can get.
@@LonestarTrips True that. Back in the 70's the LIRR had a program where commuters could ride in an engine with an engineer and a public relations man. Luckily, I had the choice to ride from Jamaica to Babylon via the central branch in a GP-38! Then on an M-1 back to Manhattan.
What’s in Babylon?
Literally nothing. It was just a convenient place to do a quick out and back.
@@LonestarTrips"Literally" nothing? It's a desert??
You had a double cab car train and didnt tour the C3 cab since its open if its a regular coach :(
Though I didn't show it in the video, I did walk through the whole train, and someone was sitting in the cab spot, so I didn't want to make it awkward by filming it with someone right there.
@@LonestarTrips was it a conductor or passenger?
@@Transportationviews It was a regular passenger.
@@LonestarTrips Wow! I remember a news post about this same situation but on an m 7 5 ish years ago where people thought it was a concern even though they dont have a key. Have you ever seen the shoreliner cab being on a double cab train?
@@Transportationviews The only instance of a cab being open when it shouldn't be that I've experience was when I rode on CT Rail's SLE. I sat at the rear of the train, and the engineer left the cab door open when moving from one end to the other. It was cool to see in for sure, but definitely a safety concern.
Seems like the coaches are designed for people under 5' 6
😂 It really does lol
They, the cars, look terribly uncomfortable. Good thing the trips aren't all that long. I guess the interior was designed by an ex airline interior designer!
They’re really not great, but for commuter rail, it’s pretty standard. Hopefully they’ll get a refresh in the near future, but who knows.
“Ron-conkoma” is how New Yorkers tend to pronounce it btw rather than “Ron -con -coma”
I pronounced it how I heard it spoken over the announcements at Penn Station, though I’m now aware that whoever was working the PA that day was also incorrect.
@@LonestarTrips are you almost sending the video to CZcams?
@@LonestarTrips are you gonna answer my question or not
@@kl6361 It’s gonna be couple weeks before it goes live.
@@LonestarTrips how many weeks is that?
Ron Con Coma? 😂
I pronounced it how I heard it said at Penn station.
If thats how it was pronounced, the announcer should be fired.
Those C 3 coaches are going to be replaced by single level coaches that will allow locomotive hauled trains to operate to Grand Central.
No they are not. Those coaches aren't going away anytime soon.
@@timhershel2940 they are almost 35 years old and will be coming due soon.
I was under the impression that they weren’t getting rid of them? It’s possible they’ll add some new coaches, but it definitely seems easier to continue operation with EMUs to Grand Central, with connection options at Jamaica for those traveling to non-electrified territory.
@for the love of God! doubt they'll last 50 years. The cars the C 3s replaced were less than 40 years old at the time.
@@pbatommy They are not 35 years old. They went into service in 1998 &1999
The bathroom is never that clean, especially mid week to Friday 😂 tiny trash can overflowing with empty beer cans .. bouncing around and people urinate all over the floor.
FYI the floating seats make it easier to clean.
The Bi-levels don’t run on the Ronkonkoma branch from Penn to Ronkonkoma. Instead it’s the branch heading towards Montauk east of Ronkonkoma. 1:52
Bi-levels run on the Greenport section of the Ronkonkoma Branch between Ronkonkoma and Greenport on the North Fork.
Ron con coma?😆
I pronounced it how I heard it said at Penn Station.
@@LonestarTrips You probably heard out of towners. The right way to say it would be Ron-conk-o-ma, altogether and fast. Liked the video though, I used to ride the Montauk branch all the time when I was in college. You do have to catch the diesel trains at Jamaica or Babylon or sometime Mineola. Usually the electric Budd cars would meet the diesel trains at the right time at the aforementioned stations.Keep up the good vids.
Just for the record, there are a handful of bilevel trains that operate out of Penn Station during peak hours. The most popular train is the Cannonball super express, which operates nonstop from Penn Station to Westhampton before heading to Montauk. It only runs on Fridays.
“Just for the record” 🤓 sounding like a Republican, bro. Mr “Great Race to New York is staged”
Bi levels can't fit into the tunnels
LIRR uses 4 digit train numbers 8704 not 4
It is listed on the Montauk Line timetable as train number 4, as found in the schedule effective May 22 - September 4, 2023.
You want to know why... They were designed by committee and built by the lowest bidder.
You lied to me 😡😡😡😡
I’m on it right now. Can’t make a video about a journey that hasn’t ended yet.
Oh hell yeah 😎 I can’t wait to see you travel from Seattle to la
Wait a minute did you show that you were in Newark Ca mayhews landing road
Maybe? I’m not sure.
I think you did because I heard a horn in mayhews landing road