Guitar Pedals with GREAT Built-in Buffers!
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 7. 08. 2024
- High quality buffers are one of the most important components of a reliable, great-sounding pedalboard. However, many guitarists overlook the importance of high quality buffers, directing more attention to effects pedals that have a more obvious impact on the sound of their guitar.
Today, I'll walk you through some of my favorite guitar pedals that double as high quality buffers!
My List đ of Pedals with GREAT Buffers:
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TABLE OF CONTENTS:
00:00 Introduction
00:43 The Benefits of Buffering
01:57 What makes a Buffer Great?
03:14 Reasons to Consider Pedals w/ Buffers
04:35 Buffered Pedal Shootout: How do they sound?
06:02 Reference Tone (no buffers)
06:33 Buffered Tone
07:36 Buffered vs Reference Tone (back to back)
08:34 Final Thoughts/Reaction
10:59 Outro
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Do you know of any effects pedals with high-quality built in buffers that we missed in this video? Tell us in the comments!
Running List of Pedals with GREAT Buffers:
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Great to see the Spark on there. Will a Behringer 1 in 2 out such as the CO600 (Boss chorus ensemble clone) or the DD600 delay or RV600 reverb have a decent buffer? Trying play/demo/film upstairs. Buffered pedals to push to ABY to amps mic'd downstairs and back up from mixer headphone out buffered pedal pushing back upstairs to interface and monitors. Thanks
@@Gearjunkie35 look up the specs...you have the range I suggested to look for so you can compare.
@@VertexEffectsInc Will do, Appreciate the input and the magic 100/1meg combo guideline. 'Preciate ya!
How about the MXR/CAE 403 or is it 406 buffer with the slide up front....is it any good?
Jackson Audio Prism?
I'd love to see the exact opposite of this: pedals with not so great buffers and how much they change the tone of the guitar. Excellent work as always
It's much more variable, the more capacitance a poor buffer sees on the output the worse it gets.
I can add something to this - the Boss GE-7 EQ pedal. Both Xacttone and Analogman offer a mod where they make the pedal true bypass and also do something to cut down on the noise. After their mods, the pedal becomes much more usable.
@@VibhasPatil Indeed, replacing the NJM022 op amps in the GE-7 greatly improves the noise floor issue. I wish Boss would make it stock, even though replacements OPs have a much higher current draw.
@@VibhasPatil Yes! I have the Xacttone mod and itâs so good!
@@VibhasPatil Sure, but that doesn't change the output impedance.
Thanks Mason, this is exactly where my head has been as i'm planning a pedal board and trying to save space by finding units that fit a dual purpose thus saving real estate on the pedal board~
Hopefully this helps!
Thanks very much for the excellent information, advice, recommendations and succinct explanations. A most valuable video, hugely appreciated.
Thanks for this! Itâs nice to have this info when making decisions for my board.
Great explanation and straight to the point as always, thanks đ
Will low quality buffered pedals placed between the high quality input and output buffer affect the overall sound quality, does it matter what type of pedal is in-between at all? đ€
Buffers in boss pedals are not of great quality and most of us have them somewhere in the rig đ
Thanks for watching. No more than any other pedals for the most part being turned on. A few mediocre buffers here and there isn't too big of a deal so long as you make sure you have something good first and last in the chain with the right specs. I have Boss pedals in my rig too, just have to be judicious with them.
I have a question: at the end of my signal path I have a Strymon Big Sky then a Ditto X4 Looper. Do I need a buffer after the looper or is the one inside the Big Sky enough? Sorry if it's a stupid question I'm new to all of this
Great description. Iâll rewatch this several times! Thank you!!
Thanks for watching!
Super knowledgeable and helpful video. Thanks! đž
Looking to clarify one Of your last points about having a buffer in the middle of your chain being ineffective. Iâve got a polytune at the start and hof2 at the end but also a spark boost and boss dd7 in the chain. Does having another buffer in the middle of a chain cause a problem or did you just mean they wonât be effective if your only buffer is in the middle of your chain?
Ideally as much true bypass in between your high quality input and output buffers, but realistically any pedal on, true bypass or not, is a buffer, so I wouldn't sweat it. Just make sure you got your tuner in "buffer" mode as the first pedal, and your Reverb as your last pedal in buffer mode and you're good. The Spark is only "buffering" if it's turned on.
Actually all Strymon pedals are 1M input and 100 ohm output impedances. Very smart of them.
Yes, good call on the analog side!
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@@michael_caz_nyc Nice!
Another highly informative video. Your other pedal order video, with the full visual chart, is another absolute reference video to learn and understand the importance of pedal order and necessary buffer input and out specs and placement! This video drives home the largely misunderstood buffer purpose/importance/placement even more. Thank you, Mason!
Awesome, thank you!
Hi Mason, Just wanted to follow up again to say thank you for the great counsel. I just added the inexpensive TC buffer at the end of my signal chain and WOW. What a difference. The improvement is drastic. Super grateful!
Amazing! Great news!
Providence System Tuner! It's just awesome!
Whatâs the spec?
@@VertexEffectsInc
Input impedance: 1 MΩ
Output impedance: 100 Ω
With a send and return as well, so you can put all your pedals in its loop and it's done. It's also switchable to true bypass and it has a handy DC out.
That thing looks amazing
Excellent Episode Mason!!! I always take away something good from your vids! Keep on Rockin' Man!!
Thanks a ton!
Thank you for you good video production and practical service to the guitar community with the resources you provide in the description.
Glad to help!
What about FX loops and even Looper pedals?
I was going to write this. I only have TC Corona, Flashback and Ditto in my fx loop (in that order) so I have them all in true bypass mode but I guess if i added 1-2 more pedals it would be better to turn the buffer mode on on the first and last position in the loop (?), excluding ditto since it's true bypass only.
And I don't even want to mention TC Sentry gate :D (if i have my wah and overdrive in the Sentry loop and then from Sentry out to the amp, when the gate is activated, it buffers the signal at the end, before the amp, right? O.o
*just to be clear, here's my signal path: guitar - tuner (true bypass) - TC Sentry (- loop of sentry: wah - overdrive) - higain amp - fx loop (- TC Corona - TC Flashback - TC Ditto).
Such a great episode and useful information with links and all. Like always đđœđđœđđœ
Glad it was helpful!
Super generous, thanks for sharing these insights Mason. Rock on!
My pleasure!
Good stuff. I learn from every one of your videos. Appreciate you
Thanks for watching!
Great video Mr. Marangella !!! Very well organized, objective experiment.
Glad you liked it!
I have just found this video, thanks so much for the list!
Thanks for this Doc, made my life a lot easier planning out my fx loop and ensuring I had something buffing at the points I needed. Maybe I'll send it your way for a grading, but I'm sure I use way too much of the same brands lol. Cheers!
you are a BEAST with these amazing informative uploads,, everything that comes out of your mouth is gold and i highly appreciate that you chose youtube to share your wisdom â€ïžđ
I appreciate that!
Thank you for this video. I was having volume drops with some my modulation pedals and was looking into getting a buffer. But a already had a Polytune and a Pitchfork on my board, both have buffers. So a little rearranging of my board and problem solved.
For those interested my Polytune is at the end and ehx pitchfork at the beginning.
So it's pitchfork, ehx flanger hoax (was having volume drops), always on overdrive (jhs twin twelve), big muff, small clone, small stone, Rafferty timepiece (delay, trem, reverb) and Polytune.
you're very helpful.. appreciate this so much.. thank you :)
4:08 I expected to see some "Subscribe to our mailing list and we'll send you pedal list via email" nonsense, but there's an actual list in the link. You're awesome.
Enjoy! We'll continue to add to the list!
Super!!!!! everytime i learn something new from you ;) thank you
Happy to hear that!
This was great. My Polytune has a buffer, although I need to move it, and I have a TC Spark Mini just sitting in a box, so that's going at the end of my chain as the output buffer. Your list saved me from buying an extra pedal, and gets me using one I already have.
As someone who is beginning the journey of building their first pedalboard all of your videos are so helpful. Keep up the great work.
Happy to help!
I'm a new to playing bass guitar đž, thanks for your excellent video, that chart showing pedal orders đ is very much appreciated đ đ
My pleasure!
Great video, I expected the list to be wayyy longer. Another pedal to add to the list is the great MXR reverb. I love the pedal for it's hidden features!
It's on there, M300 is the model name.
This video has been very helpful - thanks!
Actually a question here - are there any downside of having multiple built-in buffers enabled in pedals? For example, would having 3 Strymon pedals in series with buffered bypass all enabled be better or worse compared to just the last one having buffered bypass enabled?
Great video, thank you so much!
I'm in the midst of reconfiguring my board; and have learned a ton from your videos. Two buffers for which I'd love you to test: Peterson Strobostomp HD, which will be my input buffer, right after fuzz; my output buffer will be the Temple Audio 4 X MOD PRO, I'll be using three of its four buffers to connect to my amp and my effects loop. Fourth buffer on that will be switched off, as I'm using that connector for a footswitch.
Great informative video, thank you
Glad it was helpful!
You must have so much work doing your videos because to record different situations and edit the videos in order to give us this final explanation... you deserve an academy award bro! You are amazing.
Thanks so much!
thanks for sharing ! exactly what the we needed doctor
Glad it was helpful!
Excellent information, thank you.
Thanks for watching!
Buffers have helped me a lot. I have a polytune 3 in the front of my chain and a buffered distortion pedal at the end of my "front of amp" section of my board. I only have 2 pedals in my FX loop so the last one is bufferd
Great video. Thank you
Thanks for the tips in this video. I recently got into pedals and unless someone already suggested it, lâd like to add the TC Electronic Bonafide Buffer.
Good stuff!
Good info Mason, thanks.
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Wow, some manufacturers make this hard to find haha however I did notice that the two stroke pedal from orange amps does mention a buffered bypass, but I am surprised to see that not many manufacturers mention the specs you mentioned in the video. (other than giving them a call or an email I assume) - very interesting. and great work, as always.
Thanks for watching!
Hey Mason thanks for the awesome videos. Theyâve been really helpful especially for someone like me I live in a small town so this type of hobby is not popular lol. Youâre advice as well That Pedal Show has helped me to get my pedalboard to be awesome and quite. So I want thanks for all that you guys do keep up the great work.
Glad to hear it!
@@VertexEffectsInc youâre welcome.
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First of all really appreciate the help. This knowledge made a HUGE difference for me in terms of tone when using pedals.
One question I would love to hear input on, how do buffers affect things in an effects loop? Iâve put a few pedals with questionable buffers in my loop on my orange rockerverb and it seems like it suffers WAY less with them in the loop versus in front.
Thanks so much again for all the help with the nonstop quest for tone.
mason, thanks for all the work! we need a list of the bad buffers! I still use my boss tu-2 tuner and start to worried.....
I'm 67 and still gigging 4-5 nights a week. Up until the last couple of years, I hadn't really given this subject much thought. Maybe because my pedals are Boss, and I haven't really noticed a problem with "tone suck". But now that I want to add a Uni-vibe type pedal in front of my pedal chain and I can't find a buffered one, I'm trying to figure this out. This video was extremely helpful to my understanding of this subject. Thank you! :-)
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Thanks for finally pointing out what specs a pedal with build in buffer should have. I'm using a NUX Sculpture Compressor and wasnt sure if the buffer is any good or if I should get an additional buffer. It has an input impedance of 1 M ohm and an output one of 20 ohm, so at least from those numbers the quality should be ok for an affordable pedal đ
Thanks dude! Nice shirt...and nice buffers đ€Ș
Any time!
TC Electronic Mimiq Doubler, great video so informative , I'm really grateful
As a buffer? Is it buffered? And if so, it'll only help you if it's first or last in the chain and always in buffer mode.
@@VertexEffectsInc Hi again , the manual of the TC Electronic Mimiq says that the default mode of the pedal is True bypass and can be switched by changing an internal to switch to buffered bypass mode, is buffered bypass mode the way it should be? to ensure that my output signal is buffered The Mimiq is currently last in my chain Thanks for your help
The timing on this is perfect. I've had my Big Sky in Bypass-mode. ( 1 week ago, I activated the internal buffer ) = My Guitar Tone is significantly improved. Great stuff here.
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@@VertexEffectsInc When you say "buffered or True bypass (switchable)", where is that found on the pedal and I assume if your going to use them as buffers ,these would have to be switched inside? I have a TC poly 3 bonafide as the input and a hall of fame for the output- just don't know where to find it.... Thanks-great stuff.
Peterson Stobo Stomp tuner HD lists the input buffer at 5m ohm and the output at 100ohm. Am I reading that correctly? What does the 5m input change in regards to tone? This is by far my favorite tuner and my rig sounds great with it. Just want to make sure the specs are legit. Thanks for all the info! I learn so much from your videos.
Great videos ! Very informative and straight forward
Question: Any recommendation for a high quality ABY pedal as an output buffer?
I'm not up for your DIY version, though it looks fun. I was going to buy the Radial Engineering Twin City ABY, but output impedance is 1000 ohm, and I learned from your video that this is not really very good
Great video. What do you think of the Ventris buffer?
Thank you!!!
I use TC Electronic Spark Mini and Flashback as input and output buffers
Great episode!do you ever check the new Ernie Ball volume pedal tuner???They said it comes with a discrete buffer built inâŠI am wondering if you know that if it can work as a good first or last bufferâŠthanks for such an amazing info!!!đđ»đžđđ»đ„
I don't own one to check it and I don't see the specs on their site. You might wanna email them.
Does the FX loop need to be "firewalled" the same way as you're "firewalling" the front of the amp? And on the front of the amp, if you have a fuzz pedal that should still be first in your chain and then your input buffer, right? Thanks for all the info, your vids are great!
Great information as always, nicely explained. How do you rate the buffers on Boss pedals? these are super common and have heard that they serve well.
They're awful and in no way comparable to what we listed in our "approved" buffer list or the pedals shown here.
Got PolyTune3 with buffer and always on mode on.
Love it.
Also gonna get the Sentry Noise Gate from TC.
One of our favorite tuners!
Very valuable information and list of quality buffers. There's a question though. With all those effects pedals with buffers and true bypass, I found with them all buffered, it sounded muffled. Is that a real issue you could discuss in video sometime, Dr.?
Great little video! I always wondered about one thing. If I have a passive patchbay and connect my guitar to that and then it goes into the input buffer in a pedal (or dedicated buffer) does that still count as the proper load to my pickups? Or the buffer HAS TO be the first and not even a passive patchbay can be inbetween? What about that picture you showed in this video, where there are the "sensitive pedals" in front of the buffer? Does the first pedal in the chain (like a wah) need to have a proper buffer? Since that is directly connected to my guitar... Or the buffer after the wah still counts as the right load to my pickups? Thank you!
Hey Mason,
First time caller; long time listener. I have really enjoyed the videos and tutorials on buffers and videos. They are very informative and you a fantastic presenter! Kudos, man. Itâs awesome to see you collaborating with some of the bigger retailers and companies. Youâre really developed an A1 reputation and you seem to be very busy, I canât believe your still reply to every message!
My deep dive goes into bass buffers and pedal board patch bays. I have jumped into the google machine and FB Guitar Pedal Building groups, before I come here to find some answers, but Iâm not finding what I think I need.
For bass, I know youâve said varied impedance, generally 4-10 ohm for a bass input buffer, where are we looking for this value? Is there a preferred % tolerance.
Can we make our own input/output buffer/junction box in one for bass on veroboard? Can we use and what do we need to be changing on a veroboard Cornish buffer build to meet that 4ohms. How do we find these input/output impediences on a build.
Am I asking too many questions, trade secrets or, could this be a cool video. I can appreciate that Iâm asking some questions here with a very base-level understanding of pedal-building, not understanding the engineering behind the build.
Thanks in advance and I hope you have a resource or two, or even better yet, get to make a vid in this.
Cheers! Brendan
Thanks for watching! The Bass input Z (Z is short or impedance), is to be matched with your amp's input impedance. If you amp is 1M, your input buffer loading should be 1M. If you bass if 5M, your input buffer should be set to 5M input Z. The closer you get to the input impedance of your amp, the more you bass is going to feel and react as it would if you were plugged directly into the amp with your bass. The lower the number (relative to you amp's input impedance), the more loading there will be and more rolled off or dark it may sound. The higher your input impedance (relative to the amp's input Z) the more unloaded it will sound (brighter).
It would have been really useful if you played a comparison of the guitar into amp using the 30 foot coil without buffer, so we could compare what (supposed) tone suck would sound like in comparison without a buffer. Thanks for another nice video.
Agree! We have just samples of clean tone.
Strymon Buffers, real good. I have had problems with certain reverb/delay pedals just not buffering well at the end of my chain. Hardwire Supernatural or the Strymon Volante just get it done perfectly for me with little or no signal loss with over 20 feet of cable.
Right after fuzz and wah near the input, I just leave my Digitech Freqout on momentary mode and it's buffered quite well into the ES-5. After ES-5 I have a volume pedal into an EQ2 with buffers on and finishes into delay and reverb.
Hardwire I think is about 1K on the output impedance. Not ideal.
Enjoy your channel. Learn something everyday. Regarding your list of pedals with great buffers, I have a Strymon Lex at the end of one chain and a TC Electronics Ditto at the end of another chain. Do these two pedals have good buffers built in or do I need to add separate buffers after each? Thank you for your time here.
The TC I think is true bypass, the Lex if it's not last doesn't really need to be used as a buffer or should be used as one. You might consider a dedicated output buffer.
Hi, Mason, great vid as usual! Quick question: do you know if Xotic pedals have decent buffers in them? In particular, the Super Clean Buffer - the name suggests it should, but does it?
They're all around 1K output impedance, 10x higher than I recommend.
Hi Mason, thanks for share your knowledge. I've your Vertex Boost MKI and run it after 3 true bypass overdrive pedal and after deep blue delay and uad golden reverberator. Is it better use the vertex boost also as buffer and run it as first in the chain? acutualy i've first the xotic super sweet set as buffered output at first place. I use the vertex boost afetr the overdrive becusais very transparent and help me to increase the sound. Thanks for your time.
I've got the MXR M300 reverb, but put it in the effects loop with the Boss DD3. The MXR EVH chorus/phaser and flanger is in front of the amp.
Cool!
Really enjoy all your content! Question - in the video you said, most TC Electronics pedals have a buffer, but what about the Ditto + looper? Im putting one at the end of my board, and I canât find impedance specs anywhere.
Most of them meet the impedance standards when they're "on" however some are only true bypass so you don't get the buffer unless you have the pedal engaged. The Ditto falls into this category. If it's always on it's a good quality buffer, but it's true bypass so you don't get the buffer part if it's not in use. Therefore, you'd need an output buffer.
Hello Mason! What do you think of the Peterson Strobostomp mini Tuner as a buffer early in the signal chain?
Great & helpful video! I run a Pedaltrain Nano it has 5 effect pedals & 1 tuner. With this small of a board would you recommend a pre & post buffer? I already have a Strymon Volante. This could be my output buffer. Should I grab the Polytune 3 as the input buffer/tuner or is my board so small it doesnât matter?
Yes, absolutely. Or make sure you Polytune is in buffer mode first and the Volante is in buffer mode last.
Thanx so much for your video! If you use the effect send and effect return of your amp for your time and modulation effects, should the buffer be in the last of this section or after the overdrive section before the input of the amp?
Ideally you should have a buffered effects loop and a buffered pedal or buffer on the return.
Great info! Thank you for making these videos. Couldnât find the list of pedals in the comments⊠where can I find that info?
Never mindâŠ. Found it!đ
Is polytune 3 a good buffer? Looks cool with a tuner built in
Thank you for the informative video. I have dual pedal boards I chain together with patchbays running anywhere from 13-18 pedals. I have a TC polytune at the beginning and a BOSS DD5 that splits the signal to stereo finally into a BOSS RC 300 at the end of the pedal chain and finally into a mixer, not an amp.
From the comments I read no loopers you are aware of have these optimum specs. Would you suggest a high-quality stereo buffer for stereo output direct into a mixer? Additionally would you use the high-Z inputs on the mixer?
If you're going to a mixer, not a tube amp, you might not notice as much difference in terms of the output Z. The input Z however would be critical still for the input buffer.
I hope you are able to answer this, when you have a pedalboard and use a conection (input and output) that are built in your pedalboard, would you use the buffer at the end of your pedals and still use the pedlboard output or would that deffeat the purpuse and just not use that output? Do you need an input buffer if you havfe an multieffect units with other pedals?
I run my guitar into 2 separate amps and have been looking at Radialâs Shotgun 4-channel Amp Driver. It has buffering and would be perfect at the end of my pedal chain, but isnât on Vertexâs list.
Great video, thank you. I recently got a Mesa High Wire to solve both the input and output buffer. It actually sounds quite musical for a utility pedal, which is interesting to me because I donât quite know why. The boost and tuner out options are great too. However, I realized the other day that I may not need it at all. Turns out that my Polytune 3 has a 100 ohm output buffer. So if I were to place it at the very of my chain, wouldnât this solve the output buffer issue? Aside from the annoyance (or advantage) of placing the tuner last, isnât this an elegant solution? The polytune canât solve both buffers, but I feel like a 1meg input buffer is easier to find across many chain starter pedalsâŠ
What would you do for your output buffer if you used the Polytune...that only solves for the front end of the pedalboard.
I have multiple of the Strymon pedals that are on the list (BigSky, Timeline, Mobius, Iridium). The BigSky is the last in the chain so I understand that would need to be in buffered bypass mode, but do the others? It also sounds like the Strymon iridium only runs in buffered bypass. Any tips would be great!
Great video, thanks.
Mason, I have a JHS little black buffer and it makes my other pedals pop when engaged. Doesnât happen if I use it last in the chain. Do you know what could be the cause of this? Is the buffer defective? Not sure asIâve read on forums about other people having the same problem.
Someone mentioned dc bleed and to try the Lehle dc filter but I know nothing about this stuff so thatâs why Iâm here. Any suggestions or information you could give me would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you
@VertexEffects Wampler dB+ Mini clean boost/buffer? I can't seem to find any info on impedance specs for input or output for this pedal. I already have a TC Polytune 3 at the input end of the chain with the built-in Bonafide buffer in the "always on" config. Thinking that the dB+ can go at the output end as an out buffer. Does this make the cut?
my workflow is volume - expression - xsonic xtone - ipad - (then back to xsonic) - output
where shall I put my buffer ?
my question is because I will be using digital fuzz pedals .. does the digital fuzz software responds the same as analog fuzz ?
I have a weird question. I use a cabinet simulator (torpedo cab) because switching physical amps is insanely expensive and space prohibitive. From there there's a cord out to my actual speaker (line 6 lt2), a line about 10ft long. Should the output buffer come before or after my IR cabinet simulator?
Awesome video doc. Just wanna ask about the GFI Systems pedals like the specular tempus? Does it have the same input/output buffer quality built in them?
Look it up...you have the criteria now at your fingertips.
So I have a pedal with a high-q buffer at the front of my chain, and another pedal with a high-q buffer at the end of my chain, then I don't need to use actual buffer pedals bcos my high-q pedals are already doing the same job?.. Also, does this apply to audio interfaces when going into a DAW via my pedal board using the Strymon Iridium?.. I imagine that it would, but not really sure.. đ€
A lot of people are using modelers and I noticed things like the HX Stomp are buffered. How should we treat devices like Helix, Kempers, and AxeFX with regards to a buffer? Should we have an output buffer before these devices if we are using them for amp sims or should we treat them as output buffers? I'm building a modeling board for live use to use with a FRFR speaker and want to know if I need to get an output buffer. Thank you for the really great tutorials and tips!
You're stilling using cables and effects into them...so the rules are still the same.
hi love your channel!!! i'm learning a lot!! i'm curious about boss pedal?? do they have good buffer?? thanks!!!
Check the specsâŠwe provided the framework and the specs required and a list of pedals that meet the criteria. Boss wasnât an oversight - it was omitted deliberately.
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I have a question:
I use the boss wl-20l wireless system. An Impedance output of 1 kohm is declared on the site.
Is it correct to use a buffer immediately after the wl-20l receiver?
My first pedal is a Polytune 3, then all strymon pedals in true by pass and the last the strymon iridium always active.
Is the Polytune buffer needed in this case?
Thanks for the answer â€
According to Josh Scott from JHS, all BOSS pedals are a buffer in themselves. With Mason mentioning Strymon as the same, it looks like you are taken care of. I also am mostly Strymon and needed was great to hear Mason echo Scott's sentiment of BOSS also is carried through all Strymon pedals as well.
What a great and informative video! Just one question, as I understand it the MXR M300 has a built in buffer then? The trails mode means that it has a built in buffer or is it just that the reverb still sounds when you click the pedal off? Don't quite understand this with reverb and delay pedals. Thanks for any information!
If it's in trails mode I believe it's always buffered (not just when on). Any pedal "on" true bypass or not is buffered, just FYI.
If I'm running an MXR M300 into an ES-8, will the output impedance be effective running through the switcher, or should I run the buffer on the ES-8?
Fantastic video and great explanation as always!!!!
I bought the Mesa High Wire dual buffer and I love it!!!
I put it at the beginning of my signal chain so it cover my input and my output before my amp.
My question is this:I run 12 pedals y my pedalboard:all true bypass except for the Mesa buffer(of course)but then I have an Ernie ball VP JR Tuner who has a buffer and my last effect which is an MXR M300 Digital reverb in buffer mode because I want the trials when I turn it off.
Can this two extra buffers affect my Mesa buffer works or I am good and save the way I am???
I would try to have as few as possible in between the Mesa Boogie - but I think that should be OK.
@@VertexEffectsInc Thanks Mason for your reply!You right,I will change the MXR reverb mode to True bypass again,like I had it before,
so I avoid the MXR buffer in the chain.Then the only buffer remains is the one in my active volume pedal.Should I use a passive volume pedal(no buffer)so with this I will have only the Mesa High Wire input output buffer working and feeding the complete pedalboard chain?Itâs this a better set up than the one I had before??Thanks again đđ»
I love these videod
So glad you dig it!
I have a big pedalboard with a polytune buffered at the start and have the universal audio dream 65 amp emulator (always on) at the end of my signal chain running a long cable direct to front of house, should i use a buffer after the dream 65 or should the buffer inside it enough?
A. Is there a difference between input and output buffers? I run a Truetone Route 66 at the front of the chain, could I just add any buffer the end?
B. What about effects loops? If Iâm double buffered to the front of the amp does the loop need to be double buffered as well?
Thanks for all your videos!
Hey Eric, check out our vide about signal path and it should answer your questions!
Is it advisable to use buffers with a heavy metal rig and high gain amp?
Is it true that if you have any pedal on full time running into the front end of your amp, it will act as a buffer? I like to 'wake up' the front end of my Mesa/Boogie combo by hitting it with either a Diamond Marquis boost or a Keeley 2 knob compressor. In that scenario, I never turn them off. Thanks for your excellent content. Keep up the great work!
Yes, any pedal "ON" buffered or true bypass is acting as a buffer - now the quality of that buffer is a different conversation. Their efficacy as a buffer will depend on 1) the specs and 2) the location in the signal path.
Super helpful Mason, thanks! So if I understand correctly if I have a Polytune 3 at the beginning of my chain and a Timeline at the end then Iâm all set, correct? Sometimes I add an EHX 1440 looper after the Timeline, and it looks like the output impedance on the 1440 is 370 ohms. Would you recommend another buffer after the 1440 when Iâm using that? Thx!!
That is correct. Polytune with Bonafide buffer and Strymon in buffer mode last is fine. The Looper will be worse at driving the line but still 370 isn't too bad.
Ola, obrigado pelos videos, gosto muito.
Eu comprei um bosst mk2, vou colocar depois dos drivers, utilizo um afinador boss Tu3 no inicio da cadeia de sinal, nesse caso existe algum problema com as impedĂąncias ou bufferes?