WTF Xiegu? (GSOC teardown)

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  • @TheToastDog
    @TheToastDog Před rokem +21

    Xiegu employees repeatedly told me that they had a “significant” update that boasted some “exciting new features” being released in December of 2021. I recognized a couple months later that they were just trying not to let on that it was already abandoned, and I sold mine to a ham who wanted to experiment with it, and didn’t care that it was likely going to be an expensive paperweight. By now we all know that Xiegu likes the “ready, fire, aim” approach.

    • @temporarilyoffline
      @temporarilyoffline  Před rokem +3

      Sometimes they do a good enough job that its ok to play with for the price. This isn't one of those times.

    • @mdwestlund1
      @mdwestlund1 Před rokem +1

      The IQ to the back of the g90. The IQ to the back of gsoc. I've been using my gsoc for a while. The IQ cable is a special cable that came with it. Unless an Extra doesn't need to listen to a general.

    • @n4gix
      @n4gix Před 9 měsíci

      @@mdwestlund1 - You echoed my thoughts exactly. The I/Q cable is a must if you wish to see the waterfall. However, the waterfall does not shift along with the tuned frequency...
      I've had a G90 for about six years and love it. However, I did invest in the GSOC but have never even unboxed it as of yet. Now I'm not all that stoked about the expensive paperweight! 💩

  • @W4TRI
    @W4TRI Před rokem +6

    I've actually been living under an Icom rock since I sold/traded the X6100. Never knew this existed. Looks like a grand attempt at the time.

  • @davidw3gzs55
    @davidw3gzs55 Před rokem +4

    I bought the GSOC when it first came out and sent it back after three days.There were so many problems with the device. I have noticed similar problems, like the birdies, on the x6100 which I now have. If it wasn't for the x6100 alt FW, I wouldn't have kept it. Whenever Xiegu products are mentioned online, I think of the cover photo on the May 2021 issue of CQ magazine: It's of two young Chinese hams in Shanghai operating CW. Look closely in the background of the picture and they're using an Elecraft KX3. No Xiegus are in sight.

  • @JonathanKayne
    @JonathanKayne Před rokem +1

    12:00 SSOP = Shrink Small Outline Package.
    With through hole components we have DIP (Dual Inline Package) but for Surface mount we have different sized packages. The largest one you will usually encounter is the SOIC/SOP. There is also smaller ones like SSOP and TSSOP.

  • @JT-py9lv
    @JT-py9lv Před rokem +3

    *Thanks for being AWESOME !!!*

  • @MassiveOxyotl
    @MassiveOxyotl Před rokem +3

    This GSOC device is in needs of custom firmware development. It was always been an 'alpha' testing product, however potential is there for enterprising developers to make it work.

  • @Frank_K4FMH
    @Frank_K4FMH Před rokem +3

    Nice digs, TO! I can't think of a more disappointing product release by a commercial manufacturer in the ham radio space in recent memory. I pre-ordered one from Jerry Wanger at Connect Systems. He refunded my money when he got them in and saw just how dysfunctional they were vis-a-vis product specs. Seems Xiegu saw this too (WTF?) and ran to the X6100.

  • @K4AX
    @K4AX Před 2 měsíci

    Re: the warranty stickers, those don't hold up under US law, you're allowed to crack open stuff you own.
    A moot issue at this point though haha. I really wanted this thing to work, never tried one. It's a shame because the g90 is the goat of HF portable rigs.

    • @temporarilyoffline
      @temporarilyoffline  Před 2 měsíci +1

      I can't wait for a G90 update with the new "D-Core" and the linux guts!

  • @oobihdahboobeeboppah
    @oobihdahboobeeboppah Před rokem +1

    I got rid of mine because the support from xiegu was next to non-existent, and got a Yaesu 891. The G90 and the GSOC are pretty to look at but there're problems with long term support. The way it seems to me is they're more interested in whatever is on the drawing board next, not supporting what they have out there.

    • @temporarilyoffline
      @temporarilyoffline  Před rokem

      Thats Xigue for ya, yep

    • @barrymayson2492
      @barrymayson2492 Před rokem

      This seems to be the way they work in the whole of China, rather than fix a problem they produce a new design. It seems it's cheaper to do that fix issues.

  • @HamTechRadioScannerDrones
    @HamTechRadioScannerDrones Před 2 měsíci

    I got blutooth working - Radioddity seem to have taken this on .

  • @dan_in_sd
    @dan_in_sd Před rokem +2

    So the use case might be... if im on the couch and the radio is on the desk nearby. I could get a 25ft. DB9 cable and enjoy the g90 from the couch. just saying. hell, for that matter, the g90 could be downstairs and I could upstairs. would be a very long cable, but still possible.

  • @mattb9390
    @mattb9390 Před rokem +2

    As mentioned previously you need to connect the I/Q cable from the back of the G90 to the input on the GSOC. Also last time I checked the latest G90 firmware was not fully compatible with the GSOC.

    • @temporarilyoffline
      @temporarilyoffline  Před rokem

      It makes sense that it needed I/Q signals, but the G90's head works just fine without the I/Q cable, so it didn't make sense to plug it in that way... and I was seeing very weak hints at data on the waterfall.

    • @mattb9390
      @mattb9390 Před rokem

      @@temporarilyoffline Understood, just telling you how mine works.

    • @temporarilyoffline
      @temporarilyoffline  Před rokem

      @mattb9390 unfortunately, I don't think it merits trying again 🤣

    • @adventureswithsteve2981
      @adventureswithsteve2981 Před rokem

      ​@@temporarilyoffline serial cable is for Cat control

    • @chfourchfour
      @chfourchfour Před měsícem

      ​@@temporarilyoffline the G90's head does get the waterfall from the main unit, however it's at a low resolution (about enough for the tiny screen) so to get more resolution, the GSOC has to take the IQ directly and do its own FFT + waterfall

  • @kerbsidemotors9249
    @kerbsidemotors9249 Před 2 měsíci

    I've got Armbian running on an sd card separately. You can also use gsoc usb cat control with original head

    • @temporarilyoffline
      @temporarilyoffline  Před 2 měsíci

      It was a neat idea that could have been implemented better. They took the GSOC code and rolled that into the X6100. We got armbian working on the 6100 and soon the 6200!

  • @W4TRI
    @W4TRI Před rokem +1

    GT811 touch screen controller for those playing along at home! . :) Love the video TO!

  • @G7VFY
    @G7VFY Před rokem +1

    Xiegu GSOC after latest v1.3 firmware update is mentioned on the SWLING blog page.

  • @hamradiobasics
    @hamradiobasics Před 10 měsíci

    Xiego had a great idea here but once again failed with the execution. Seems to be a repeating pattern with them ?

  • @jeffashby1506
    @jeffashby1506 Před rokem

    Thanks for the work you put into the review. I find the GSOC a very good accessory to the G90, and despite the cost am very pleased with it overall. I do NOT have any problems regarding the accuracy of the displayed frequency. Did you check the RIT value I wonder? Mine is set to '0'.

  • @JReed305
    @JReed305 Před rokem +2

    Seems to be a discontinued product. I was paying attention to it when they released it and it definitely had some growing pains (just like most Xiegu stuff) but all the negative reviews at the time seemed to have squashed their will to try to make it work. Probably didn't help that it cost more than the G90 it is meant to support, so sales were extremely slow. The idea was cool, but like you said pair it with a RTLSDR dongle and CAT control for a lot cheaper and you get similar function.

    • @mrbyamile6973
      @mrbyamile6973 Před rokem +1

      The cost was the biggest barrier. If I wanted an expensive radio with bigger display I'd buy an IC 7300 (which is what I did) but I do have a G90 also and would like a bigger display. For maybe $200 I would likely have jumped on it.

    • @temporarilyoffline
      @temporarilyoffline  Před rokem +2

      So close...

  • @DonDegidio
    @DonDegidio Před rokem

    Hi Steve,
    Well, at least you tried. 🙂I think it was Josh who did a review when it was first released and said "It was not ready for prime time". Stay safe. 73 WJ3U

  • @MrDwadi84
    @MrDwadi84 Před rokem +1

    Always FW issues, even X6100 isn't perfect due to slow official FW support, Xiegu should release FW source code, maybe then this GSOC device can do more. It is better to use IQ out with sound card input to have 196khz waterfall using HDSDR and cat control via USB.

  • @GM5DDX
    @GM5DDX Před rokem +1

    I love mine and works like a dream

    • @temporarilyoffline
      @temporarilyoffline  Před rokem +1

      That's awesome! I see a lot of potential in this product. I'm not sure if they will bring it back or not. Maybe an upgraded model?

  • @beemcbike
    @beemcbike Před rokem +1

    For my eyes I just wanted a bigger display. Glad it was out of stock.
    Is there any other possibility of a bigger display? 👍🇨🇭

    • @temporarilyoffline
      @temporarilyoffline  Před rokem +1

      Run the IQ cable to an RTL-SDR or a good sound card and use your 42" flat screen! I'll have to make a video on this.

    • @beemcbike
      @beemcbike Před rokem

      @@temporarilyoffline Yes please. That would work for home use, but how about portable…
      73 de HB3XBL 👍🇨🇭

    • @G6MDX-Dai
      @G6MDX-Dai Před rokem

      @@temporarilyofflineeagerly awaiting *that* video!

    • @temporarilyoffline
      @temporarilyoffline  Před rokem +2

      @@beemcbike Same thing, just use a smaller screen - even a 7" screen is bigger than the 3" screen in the radio.

    • @027MC7
      @027MC7 Před rokem

      ​@@temporarilyoffline I too would love to see that video. That small screen is the only thing keeping me from getting a G90.

  • @DonzLockz
    @DonzLockz Před rokem

    I've seen them but never really understood them because the price was so high. Thanks for confirming my opinion on these T.O. :)

  • @d3w4yn3
    @d3w4yn3 Před rokem

    Seemed like a good idea, I like the large display and touch screen, but the issues you ID'd outweigh and sort of defeat the benefits of the display.

    • @temporarilyoffline
      @temporarilyoffline  Před rokem +1

      Right! Like most things xiegu, a good idea, but rough around the edges.

  • @Mach7RadioIntercepts
    @Mach7RadioIntercepts Před rokem

    Is there a hidden setting for the carrier offset? That might explaib why we hear olivia on '074. Also, where can we make changes to the waterfall palette? A different color scheme would show signals better...

  • @bassmanjr100
    @bassmanjr100 Před rokem +1

    I'm beginning to think hams should tell the main manufacturers to pound sand and work up from their own kits.

  • @alrubio4401
    @alrubio4401 Před rokem

    My G90 would not work on WJST until the mode selected was not on USB but on U__D for the audio to be correct.

  • @flipster7285
    @flipster7285 Před 11 měsíci

    Its a shame that xiegu seems to not learn from their successes and failures. I have a G90, absolutely love it. Fantastic little radio for portable/SOTA/POTA use. It is SIMPLE and it works. But in stead of building on that, the newer models seem to be all about trying to cram the bells and whistles and "nice to haves" into smaller packages and ending up with "so-so" products in stead of a product that sells out at least once a month.

    • @temporarilyoffline
      @temporarilyoffline  Před 11 měsíci

      Its not just Xiegu - all makers are making products that are sometimes a dozen or so rungs down on the ladder from our expectations/desires... We still buy them because we really have no choice and we still want to play.

  • @ManuelPinner
    @ManuelPinner Před rokem +2

    That Why I only by Japanese Brands Radios because of Their High Quality Standards! Unlike the Chinese Brands!

    • @temporarilyoffline
      @temporarilyoffline  Před rokem +1

      Exactly

    • @Grumpy_Cyborg
      @Grumpy_Cyborg Před rokem

      I only buy Japanese 705 for the same reason. But I just bought a X6100 yeah its got faults birdies runs hot an imperfect interface..... but its almost a disposable bargin. If they leave the backdoor open (which they have with the X6100) then its potential with a community of hackers cant be overstated. But this product is flawed from the start. So OK its a big miss. But at least they are being innovative unlike some Japanese companies who gave us the FT818 at a time when it was exact what wasn't wanted. Oh that got dropped as well. I try and keep an open mind not get blinkered. Though I have a Japanese radio, television, car, expensive watch and expensive telescope.
      I try.

  • @TheGeekiestGuy
    @TheGeekiestGuy Před rokem

    I hate those button cell batteries. Any and every chance I get, I always remove them and use a much larger cell. As long as you have room you can make a 5 year battery into a 20 year battery.
    Thanks for the breakdown of duders teardown, brother. Good to see the guts of another oddball unit. 🤙🏽

    • @temporarilyoffline
      @temporarilyoffline  Před rokem +1

      I love looking inside these things!

    • @TheGeekiestGuy
      @TheGeekiestGuy Před rokem

      @temporarilyoffline I gotta get my mans on another oscilloscope and a frequency analyzer. I have ananovna on the way for some antenna ideas, but I wanna tear down more gear.
      I always find the weirdest crap in stuff.

    • @temporarilyoffline
      @temporarilyoffline  Před rokem +1

      @@TheGeekiestGuy that's awesome. Take a look at the tinysa too

    • @TheGeekiestGuy
      @TheGeekiestGuy Před rokem

      @temporarilyoffline damn. Now that I see that, I need one in my life. 😆
      I gotta save all my pennies and pump out some content. I ordered a digirig with the nanovna, and I have a couple of ideas kicking around in my head. If I come up with something that might end up noteworthy, I'll hit you up.

    • @temporarilyoffline
      @temporarilyoffline  Před rokem

      @@TheGeekiestGuy I subbed, I'll be watching.

  • @kerbsidemotors9249
    @kerbsidemotors9249 Před 8 měsíci

    Gsoc runs doom, debian and possibly Armbian. So much potential and x6100 got more love

    • @temporarilyoffline
      @temporarilyoffline  Před 8 měsíci

      Yeah, they didn't even make it work with other radios. Very weird.

  • @loraz0
    @loraz0 Před rokem

    Love my G90, but glad I stayed away from this piece of poo. I would rather spend my money on the X6100 or the 5100.

    • @temporarilyoffline
      @temporarilyoffline  Před rokem

      The 5100 is one of the better radios they have made. It's still on my list.

  • @ColbyHiggs
    @ColbyHiggs Před rokem

    Thanks for the show!

  • @rst5nn
    @rst5nn Před rokem +2

    IMHO, GSOC is the most unsuccessful or failed product.

    • @temporarilyoffline
      @temporarilyoffline  Před rokem +2

      I think xiegu learned a lot making it, but it probably shouldn't have never been released to the public - or only as a teaser to create a stir.

    • @rst5nn
      @rst5nn Před rokem +1

      @@temporarilyoffline
      Yes, discussing about this with Oleg R1CBU (dev custom firmware for x6100), he confirmed that internally x6100 is combination of gsoc & G90 with modification of finals (AMP)

    • @temporarilyoffline
      @temporarilyoffline  Před rokem +3

      @@rst5nn Yeah, the early X6100 firmware had bluetooth disabled, but halfway configured and we did some hacking on it. The display name of the X6100's BT device was "GSOC-BT" or something similar. There is a lineage there for sure.

  • @cj5947
    @cj5947 Před rokem

    I may have missed it in your connections but I did not see the I/Q port connected. The I/Q port is for input to the GSOC. Is it not required?

    • @temporarilyoffline
      @temporarilyoffline  Před rokem

      Some people in the comments say they need it, others say they are successful without it. The G90 head doesn't need it, so why would the GSOC?

  • @tgrossner
    @tgrossner Před rokem +1

    Wow, glad I never invested in the GSOC.

  • @victorcharlie7491
    @victorcharlie7491 Před rokem

    Thanks bro great video.

  • @N4BUT
    @N4BUT Před rokem

    Is that the GSOC I sent you? Yay!!

    • @temporarilyoffline
      @temporarilyoffline  Před rokem +1

      Yessir! Finally got a window to film it! Thank you!

    • @N4BUT
      @N4BUT Před rokem

      @@temporarilyoffline I knew you’d see the same issues I had with it. It makes for an interesting review. It’s also bringing up some interesting comments. All I wish xeigu would address. It could have been a great product if only it got some dev attention.

  • @phillyedhrj
    @phillyedhrj Před rokem

    Sounds like they need to revamp their UAT process before releasing.

  • @K3JRZOnTheAir
    @K3JRZOnTheAir Před rokem

    I wanted to like the GSOC, but after the initial release and maybe one firmware update, I was disappointed in several items that I thought could have been done better or corrected from the start. I moved on and don’t regret my decision to have myself some money and not purchase the GSOC.

  • @davidw3gzs55
    @davidw3gzs55 Před rokem

    Thanks!

  • @robc3863
    @robc3863 Před rokem

    Hi, would you be interested in reviewing our new Spectrum for the G90?

    • @temporarilyoffline
      @temporarilyoffline  Před rokem

      I would, please email me for more info. Temporarilyoffline@gmail.com thanks!

  • @mdwestlund1
    @mdwestlund1 Před rokem

    Yep read the manual plug in the if lead.

  • @HOAHamRadio
    @HOAHamRadio Před rokem

    I've always wondered, now I know, now I can avoid this. Always appreciate what you do, thanks.

  • @willieb6529
    @willieb6529 Před rokem

    i dumped all my xiegu rigs after getting burned on the gsoc (was one of the first to get one)... never again will i give my money to xiegu as a beta tester... terrible company

  • @n5pa
    @n5pa Před rokem

    TO: Looks like an empty Rabbit Hole!

  • @Trent28888
    @Trent28888 Před rokem

    I wonder if ya put it in LSB and then connect it but u also have AGC turned off

  • @mikesmithg0rfd356
    @mikesmithg0rfd356 Před rokem +1

    you did not connect the iq up

    • @temporarilyoffline
      @temporarilyoffline  Před rokem

      I did not get a manual with it. (I could have looked it up) My assumption was that the G90 head can work with just the 9pin cable, so this device should also. I was seeing very light signals on the waterfall too.

  • @dan_in_sd
    @dan_in_sd Před rokem

    As always... great video TO. ;)

  • @moozoowizard
    @moozoowizard Před rokem

    I wish the G90 base unit was IP67 and had an open sourced ethernet connection to the head unit. With a Xiegu supported PC driver that supported a virtual IO audio adaptor and a cat control com port.... But then dreaming .
    Or go one step further with wifi and a android tablet or phone app
    I know if I was making an open source G90 I'd do those.
    With the gsoc they prove to themselves that there isn't a commercial market for it.
    But I know anyone adding ethernet and IP67 is going to add $5000-$10000 to the price for no good reason.

  • @AD6DMDennis
    @AD6DMDennis Před rokem

    Feels like the early revision sBitx.

  • @brianhendrix
    @brianhendrix Před 9 měsíci

    Just. Do. Not. Buy. It. Sent mine back. It would not do the most important thing needed -- TRANSMIT! Support was good on return but useless on troubleshooting.

  • @mdwestlund1
    @mdwestlund1 Před rokem

    I've been a ham since 1967

  • @KM4OOS
    @KM4OOS Před rokem

    that's so weird, I want one lol

  • @kb1qzh
    @kb1qzh Před rokem

    I was really hoping this would take off and would actually be universal.
    That price ruins it

  • @user-zk2yd6xm8s
    @user-zk2yd6xm8s Před rokem

    Ouch

  • @mdwestlund1
    @mdwestlund1 Před rokem

    Plug in Iq cable.

    • @temporarilyoffline
      @temporarilyoffline  Před rokem

      Check the comments, that works for some people and isn't needed for others.

  • @hwntwww
    @hwntwww Před rokem

    your point is

  • @KK6USYHamRadioAdventures

    Glad I didn't get one of those lol.

  • @thebnbaldwin
    @thebnbaldwin Před rokem

    Talk about missing the mark! Wow. Pretty dumb but, "Chyna!".

  • @truckinguy92
    @truckinguy92 Před rokem

    Surprise, surprise! It’s cheap Chinese junk and it doesn’t work. This video just reinforces my position on these things.

    • @bassmanjr100
      @bassmanjr100 Před rokem +2

      I'm not saying I disagree, but most components in every radio are probably built in China. ICOM, Yaesu, you name the company. China manufacturers 90% of PC, 75% of solar panels, 70% of phones, 50% of pork, on and on. Western markets have made manufacturing ridiculously expensive with overbearing regulations and taxes.

    • @truckinguy92
      @truckinguy92 Před rokem

      @@bassmanjr100 yes I know that, but Icom & Yaesu use better top tier components whereas the likes of those other companies use bottom tier components. The cheap radios are missing important filtering that makes them barn door receivers and splatter boxes.

    • @temporarilyoffline
      @temporarilyoffline  Před rokem +1

      They are on a path to take over the world...

    • @truckinguy92
      @truckinguy92 Před rokem

      @@temporarilyoffline 😂

  • @101jumpit
    @101jumpit Před rokem

    My GSOC works perfectly.

    • @temporarilyoffline
      @temporarilyoffline  Před rokem

      Do you have the IQ cable connected? That appears to be something I missed.

    • @101jumpit
      @101jumpit Před rokem

      @@temporarilyoffline No i didn't.I was using USB voice though not digital :)

    • @temporarilyoffline
      @temporarilyoffline  Před rokem

      @@101jumpit voice here too - I'm getting heat for not plugging in the IQ cable. Sounds like it works either way.

  • @ward5821
    @ward5821 Před 6 měsíci

    Turn it off and back on....

    • @temporarilyoffline
      @temporarilyoffline  Před 6 měsíci

      This is a universal constant

    • @ward5821
      @ward5821 Před 6 měsíci +1

      My did it once, and that is how I fixed it. So "just saying".@@temporarilyoffline

  • @M0MBN
    @M0MBN Před 3 měsíci

    that gsoc is a pile of garbage

  • @palindromic7873
    @palindromic7873 Před 3 měsíci

    If you're to have any credibility on these reviews then you should at least know what you're doing. Otherwise it's just another opinion among dozens of others.

    • @temporarilyoffline
      @temporarilyoffline  Před 3 měsíci

      If you're to have any credibility in comments, you either need to be more specific in a mature manner, or at least understand the message of the video before commenting. Looks like you're having trouble with that.

  • @ronaldzuccala-pv8tu
    @ronaldzuccala-pv8tu Před 6 měsíci

    Hello.As an early adopter this thing never worked for me. And dont forget it was delayed a year to begin with .Sorry but a piece of . I always enjoy your vids. Except when you tried to compare the x6100 to the icom 705 you did yourself a disservice frankly. Ron. Z.WA3090SWL.

    • @temporarilyoffline
      @temporarilyoffline  Před 6 měsíci +1

      Thanks for watching, if I recall, the 705/6100 comparison was done before the product was available based off of "news"... They are much different rigs of course and I find myself using them both at different times for their individual strengths.

  • @ChuckBigbie
    @ChuckBigbie Před rokem

    I regret buying this! There is a need to update and fix may issues, especially the birdies and interference. I will not long purchase a Xiegu product because they just abandonded us on this.
    N5ANY

  • @KB0OTY
    @KB0OTY Před rokem

    I'm so glad I didn't buy one of those.