Blitz's greatest weapon is his hook. His second greatest weapon is the fear of the hook. Most satisfying thing is when the enemy is so obsessed with dodging the hook you literally just walk up to the point where it becomes impossible to dodge.
My only gripe, I think, is lulu. I think she's in a similar situation as Janna. If you just press buttons, you'll be somewhat useful. But her q can be a little funky with how pix flies around, especially if its attached to an enemy. Choosing to extend the q range with an e on minions or camps as well. Using the ultimate to interrupt dashes and abilities like panth stun or stopping a trist from jumping away. Choosing whether or not to poly or boost an ally. Plus a surprising amount of build diversity, and non-static skill order. So high minimum value, but there's a lot of room for skill expression
I think lulu is still more braindead than janna, you can press all your buttons on the hypercarry and win the fight whereas janna at least has to land something. The W usage is pretty straightforward too: talon jumped on your twitch => you W the talon, twitch is ulting enemy team from stealth for a pentakill montage => you W the twitch. The rest of her skill expression (interrupting dashes) can be done and is more difficult on champions like janna/nami, they also have an additional cast time. It doesnt matter what you build on lulu as long as its composed of a forbidden idol, the few degens playing her top with attack speed are just that, degens.
I think the reasoning that separates the two champions lies in that Lulu's optimal gameplay patterns can become very diminutive with trustworthy hypercarries on her team, while a pure buffing/enchanting playstyle will almost never be the best option for Janna, who thrives on CC and space manipulation (similar to Renata, Thresh, and Bard). Janna has slightly more preemptive skill expression involved with her Q, R, and her position relative to everyone else, but I agree with you that pet mechanics with Pix (and a somewhat non-static skill order) makes a great argument. Overall I'd say that Janna's skill expression is more visible and less situational than Lulu's, but their skill ceilings can be similar.
@@glitchboard9452 Very Much agree. A Character who just does his own Funny Things, while Providing Utilty and is also super unique to play. Their are way to less Character in this Direction.
Taric is one of those types of mechanically hard champions you were talking about earlier. The difference between landing an extra auto, or not, is huge.
I think the most team-reliant supports should be in a new hardest tier above everyone else. Relying on teammates in solo queue is just about the hardest approach to the game to take.
I've only seen amumu be a support recently, maybe it's because he was a jungle before the tier list was created idk same with Renata ig in terms of release
When I saw yone in the support list, I really hoped to see Zoe too, but she wasn't included and I understand that she's not that popular in the support role but I would like to hear an opinion. Other than that it was a great video Ioki
I started playing it adc , ive lost my first game after the 7th try , all 6 before were funny wins Then i tried suuport , sadly it was like playing adc but without hiting minions , i was doing the same thing Tried mid , i didnt like it , katarina , akali , most mid dont use auto attacks and the R is hard to use since theres a lot of area to cover Top...poor top players...even today i feel bad for all the bad game they had against me lol And lastly i tried jgl , and i noticed 2 important things , first hes actualy better at killing monsters than singed , second , no one complained And its funny to see how many ppls wander on river to get killed by shrooms lol
Ngl, everytime some asshole trys to teemo support when I'm adc I just dodge. As a M7 former rat one trick I know exactly how useless Teemo is in most situations. You have to be literally braindead to let a teemo pop off let alone be the factor in why he won a game. His range is shit, his cc is shit, and if you buy sweeper or umbral theres little to no point in his shrooms. And as a support how's he gonna get an adc fed? Blind the enemy adc and hope they take a dumb fight? How's he gonna help his adc survive a gank? Pray the enemy jungle steps on a shroom? It's completely troll.
This was very informative, since im quite new. As a Taric main, I hate getting banned because of the Taric bots, so I’ve been looking for a second support to play. Thanks for this!
Hey iOki, you talked about amumu in your support tier list video but didn't include him in this one, so where would you put him ? Very educational video btw, I learned a lot :)
20:22 I genuinely agree, the game is really only made up of clicking and max 5-6 commonly pressed buttons. Mechanics are generally easy to understand, how to improve at them is pretty easy to get. Mechanics is nowhere near the hardest part of this game.
Very good list! Altough Imo Nami is a bit harder generally than Morgana, would swap them probably her ult usage can vary a lot, her Q is weird to land and her W usage aswell Morg is mostly Q with a wide hitbox to cheese from out of vision
the thing with nami is, even if she misses her q, she can still buff damage, speed up allies, and heal them, plus her ult. If you miss q on morgana, you're useless for another 10 seconds
what a great video! i am an adc (xayah) but i play a lot of support too, im trying to learn janna and senna, cause they are so different but both very fun to play.
Xayah can be used as support , you just attack them with basic attack , its a bit hard cause minions will attack you , but once the target try to attack back , you call your feathers back and stun them Its a bit aggressive but if your adc is aggressive to , it work
My biggest gripe is Zyra not being in extremely easy. The other day I was fed twitch, like 8/2 and was getting killed by a Zyra who was 2/6 faster then I could kill her. She could miss anything, was tanky enough to kill me before I could kill her, and has some of the most punishing support I've ever played against. Her biggest problem as support is her plants will steal cs regardless of what you do.
I played her twice , first after 10mn of no ganking from target team and us being fed , khazix one shot me Second one the adc was runing under the target tower , why my plants could at first kill something , they got so fed that it was then impossible to even stay under tower So i would say shes realy hard to use , she have no way to survive once ganked by 4 good players
@@shirakolee I main Zyra and one if you have a duo it is extremely easy (really good with Jinh) However you become a massive target and you’ll be camped most games because she is very oppressive when no one is targeting her. She is also very slow and doesn’t have any real peal than her ult (Which you can most likely walk over) and her e (But has a short root time) You have to be very aware of your surroundings but if you can just get ahead, she can be a headache for the enemy if you can get her mythic. She also doesn’t have any real counter if you have played the game for long (Although I struggle with Xerath and Brand because I don’t see they all the time and can easily 1v1 you)
Her abilities are mostly skillshots. So you saying that you were feed and a 2/6 zyra killed you, means that you didn’t dodge anything. How don’t you expect to die if you get full combod?
"She could miss anything" no she cant, e and q are her burst, if she misses them she have to wait her plant to kill you, which will result in her die first.
I do agree with you that the biggest factor in success is not mechanical skill level, but game knowledge, situational wisdom. But I do think RIOT has been going towards an emphasis on mechanical play in their design of new champs rather than sticking with the strategy and balance elements of the game. They seem to care more about what looks awesome in stream than anything else. This leads to players emphasizing mechanical play rather than the situational strategy they should be playing with. Players want to just go in and do the fab looking thing they saw on some High Elo stream rather than focus on what is necessary to win. I believe we could take a lot of the salt and toxicity out of the ranked game if we had separate queues: one for people who want to play objectively and strategically, one for people who just want to kill nubs. Of course to make that work you'd have to have some horrifical punishments for violators. It could be bait for the toxic souls.
Then again I think that mechanics and skill are thrown out of the window when you have broken items and champions and can be mindless if there is no grand plan unless you just keep engaging
Can’t wait to see offended Yuumi mains saying „SHE ISNT THAT EASY CAUSE SHE GOTTA AUTO FROM TIME TO TIME AND ACTUALLY NOT BE AN ITEM” guys do you realize that doing what LITERALLY all other champions do all the time doesn’t make her not an item and the easiest champion to play in the game?
@@MiximumDennis XD wtf are you talkin its completly the other way around. without her w she cant use her q she cant heal anyone and hitting your ult is insanly difficult, so your pressure in w is like 1000 higher.
@@internationalarmy3984 it isn’t well know. Hell I didn’t know about it until last week but man is it good. I am a support main and I have fell in love with how much I can impact the game with her
Thresh was the very first champion I picked up, way back in high school when I asked “who should I learn?” to the league team. And now I’m a Diamond 4 support who *can* play a decent amount of champions, but damn if Thresh isn’t my favourite.
i think moaki has a certain level of skill gap based on knowing when to w whether its to doge cc or a viegar ult or to stick to someone flashing or dashing and knowing when u can Q
Morde sup is decent if you know what you're doing, if you manage to win lane and take T1 tower early you get access to more gold via invading and 1v1ing the jgler everytime your ult is up and grouping with your adc when it's down. If you manage to pull it off you'll be taking an entire load of your jglr and your team will be winning in terms of resources and map pressure and control, and if you fall behind you're still a decent tank that can prevent dives and smite contests. His downside is that he gets easily kited, so its best to work around that and make them come to you instead thus the invading and forcing the enemy jglr to contest jg camps.
Really nice list. I can agree with most of them. Imo it would be nice to move Sona to Extreme Easy and give Yuumi her own Tier. Sona is so much easier than everyone in easy, but u still playin the same game. Yuumi on the other hand just ignores a big amount of basic League of Legends Gameplay and Knowledge. For me Rakan, Janna and Lulu should be in different tiers. Janna max potential can be rlly high but imo u can go for the same arguement on Lulu, so they should be in the same tier. Rakan on the other side is so flashy and can pull of a lot of nice combos so i guess he should not be in the same tier as Rell or Nautilus. U need so much knowledge about the different arts of the Support role like how to engage, how to peel, how to roam and a decent amount of skill that he should be hard or maybe extreme hard. I guess its easier for someone who plays every Support, but for someone who just plays tanks or Enchanter he can be really difficult.
I think Pyke just is so forgiving as a champion. His hook? Lowest cd hook in the game at 10 seconds base. His passive (especially with W) heals him of his mistakes. And he comes with a dash. Like it may be difficult to do plays with him but actually trying to punish or kill him is just unbalanced in my opinion.
So lets say you try to hook someone , it work , you stun them both , it work , you do amazing things and manage to lower both target to 20% hp , then you notice your adc is still hiting minions , or get killed by minions alone , you choose to run away , jgl is coming that way with vision , you run to your tower , mid is coming , finaly you hide on that strange added spot on both side of the map , but you see the top tping at an hidden ward I would definitly be more fine while using blitz near tower and graping ppls under it lol
@@shirakolee you dodge blitz hook. It takes a third of his mana and you can bully him for 15 seconds. You dodge a pyke hook? You can bully him for 7 seconds and he regens it all with his passive.
His hook slows himself and you need to wait to cast it to it's max range, plenty of time to get behind a minion, his dash can get stopped by so many things, like thresh e instantly stops it, he can't do anything to Leona Rell, naut etc. Plus in the late game, he dies instantly contributing almost nothing except random pick attempts which usually don't do anything
@@Smashedhiskeyboardupinthewoods I never said he was easy. Just forgiving. I wouldnt call ezreal a necessarily easy champion to be effective with. But he's definitely the safest ADC.
@@UnbornHeretic he's not forgiving, he has to use all his spells to get to you and he has to commit on every engage, his dash is super long and it has to go right up to you and probably past you, so if a jungler is there then he's dead. I used to main him, I'm aware of how he works
Me as a beginner support player: I wanna start playing bard and pyke, they are fun, I like roaming and have impact on the whole map Ioki: well I have bad news
I am missing some supports in the list. Renata Glasc, Amumu, Heimer, Zilean. Also sad my Vex or Veigar support isn't on there. As a veigar main I shrek with the best ability in the game. :3
Renata should be on the top for the following reason : slow Q and R, W need great cooperation with adc, hard to win lane against a lot of match up, and she does have a variety of different builds what will impact her playstyle and rune choices greatlly
Renata kinda relays on the enemy comp with being a auto attack reliant and how fed they are because R as a ability is crap because of it only being like 2 seconds so it centered to how fast the enemy can auto
I think that may be down to your personal style? Rakan is one of my top champs, but I'm worse Pyke NA. Haha I've just never been able to get a handle on him. :)
Both needs to land their stunts but it is the ADC to support you. While Raman arguable needs help pyke can do it and his own but you need to roam to get the most value and of you passive
I think it's that pyke needs to win lane to get value whereas rakan can still be useful late game as an engage support. A pyke who has 0 kills has no value in the game as he has no items and hence no damage to actually put pressure in the game after laning phase.
Nice list, but where is the donger. Plus i play both alistar and sett and i find they fulfill a similar purpose with alistar being way more difficult because he cant do anything alone as he doesnt have damage. Also once he is in, he is in whereas sett can ult someone out or at least w everyone for 1/3 of thei hp thus being usefull. And ali's wq is not easy when the target is very close to you or just out of w range and your run after but dont know when exactly theyll be in range
currently playing yuumi for fun because im not in mood of actually playing the game, even while playing other games, eating or watching youtube videos or even watching the new bleach anime, im sitting at a 70% winrate with a kda of 15:1, yuumi basically turns even games into autowins and hard games into auto losses, like usually unless your smurfing basically, so while it might not be the fastest climb youll get, its the most consistent, its literally just a matter of how many games you play. basically a zero effort climb.
Yone and Malphite on this list but not teemo? Teemo shuts off enemy adc for blind duration, Can stack dark harvest insanely fast, Once he gets level 6 he can force the enemy to play defensively or can go lock down enemy jungle. Malphite only has his R. Yone had a Zoro Moment.
THANKS IOKI!!! Everyone would flame me when I miss a hook or an ult with Pyke. I've been a support main for years and I just cannot make Pyke my main I'm awful with him. I find him quite difficult personally.
Yeah pyke...i tried him cause his invisible thing looked good , first in jgl , it worked good , then on support...but it was a nightmare , why i could hook them , i couldnt stun them , and was always missing my ulti And since most adc dont attack , sometimes i was just loosing hp/mana for nothing
I used to otp him, but I gave up because late game you become useless and get blow up 24/7. I started playing Rell Leona and Ali just because pyke scarred me
There are definitely more impressive things than flash W that you can do on Maokai, if you angle his ult right and chain the first hit with Q you can get a double root, you can also ult to the side to instantly root a target at the edge of his R hitbox, it has pretty decent range.
I fully agree that mechanics are not the biggest changer in your game, I have never matched against a pyke that misses any of their abilities, play in silver, they never miss anything
I Don't think you actually did justice to TK. People forget that this guy after the rework, actually has A LOT of mechanics. He can hook people, he can do plays with Ults and Abyssal dives, he can do kidnap plays. He can roam a lot, he can also collapse into walls to deny his Abyssal Dive Vision and just pop out of nowhere. As a Person who every season climbs to Challenger with Wardens I have to say: The champion is together with Thresh in number of pocket tricks. The issue is, he is way harder to pull it due to the cooldowns and people now being aware that you can actually do insane things with the fish.
its weird that you didnt say rank one when you were listing your accomplishments. did you forget? did you think that was not a impressive accomplishment?
nice video, idea make one with synergy with which ADC / APC. also what about fiddlesticks (ye he is a niche pick but so are sett and malph) and Renata both are missing
I played a lot of Taric before his rework. It was pretty cool and relaxing. I got to about 150 games with 53% winrate. Not enough to climb but it was relaxing. Playing a hard carrying champ all the time takes a toll on ya after a while...
I’m adc main and I’m starting on Supp main. In Supp main I main lulu, naut, Leona, nami, lux, Soraka qnd yuumi. I agree with the positions you’ve given to all the support champions, BUT I’d put Janna, Lulu, Karma and Seraphine as Extra hard. As an adc, it is super rare for me to find a player who actually know what to do with those champions. They focus on damage and hitting shots, and never know how to peel or roam. Whenever my support picks Janna, I go with Caitlyn which is the adc I play the most and best, bcs I know it’s probably going to be a bad Janna and I’m gonna have to do all the work by myself. Peel champions are hard bcs of how squishy they are, and how it takes BOTH parties being good. The adc needs to know what they r doing, know how to engage, and needs to know who to choose. Support needs to know who to stun/slow and needs to know how to peel.
i would argue on xer cuz im kind off a one-trick xer supp and when i do play something diff and go against other xeraths in the botlane i see them making so many mistakes that are so important to not make which results in us winning lane and maybe even the game i think ive never lost lane to a xerath cuz most off them just cant play like he is supposed to be played and they just possition bad or make a bad decision which is the hard part about xer so ye idk he is not the best mage at all and is pretty hard to play and not lose especially if u have no experience on xer or at least other mages
No MF support? The poke is unreal and her W is pretty much impossible to miss. R is a fight winner if you can position her well and can be insane for counter engages.
On paper, Annie should be allowed to last hit some minions with Q to stack her passive. This seems like incredibly useful thing.... I guess the issue is that team ADC will tilt if you do it.
i feel like sona is tricky because while spamming QWE doesnt require any skill or anything, the difficult part of her kit is managing your mana/not running out of mana after two q and w's, and also positioning well so you dont get one shotted etc. since i feel like she's squishier than most enchanters. also landing her ult lmaoo i'd put her in the average tier
the skill cap with Sona's kit comes from knowing which passive to use and when. Most people just use Staccato for the bonus damage but in most cases Diminuendo and Tempo are far stronger tools in her kit, Diminuendo in perticular is under rated especially when you pair it with exhaust.
most supports already do that though. She's mechanically easy. positioning well is something that every player should do. managing mana is something every enchanter support should do. Literally her ult is the only one that has player expression.
I wanna start a petition to take lux (and other poke mages) out of the support role and give her the morgana treatment. As an adc player there is nothing as disheartening then seeing your random sup lock one of them in. 8 times outta 10 it goes one of the same few ways every time. They either barely do things because they gotta be decent at landing skillshots but also have the tendency to just ks all your hard work. Then complain about you doing no damage when all you have are assists. Or turbo feed their ass off and complain that you're not doing as much damage as the enemy laners they just fed. Just to get an ego boost by walking around the map and pressing their stun buttons where ever your mid laner or jungler is. If all those players care about is getting kills and looking good then why not stick them in the jungle? Morg is a good example of how it could be useful IMO.
This tier list is so cringe. Lost me when he put blitz and brand harder to play than Annie and puts Senna in kinda hard. This list and reasoning is all forms of delusional.
As a thresh main, im telling you, he is not that hard, but there is problem with his lantern, because almost nobody knows that if you click his lantern, it will pull you towards him, and if you dont know it.... You are welcome❤😊
I agree on what you said on Pyke but his abilities have very low cooldown so you are not risking anything from missing a combo. He has tons of mobility, and is a pretty straight forward character unlike Bard. You can fairly succed in any game by just being present since your execution is easy to land and shares gold. I would put this champion on the Kinda Hard tier.
he has low HP tho,if bard misses Q he doesnt instantly die to any long range poke,dude can stay in lane a while,put shrines,roam and when hes back he can get a lot of healing off shrines shrines are super underrated,yeah they cost 70 mana but bard gets a lot of mana from the chimes anyways,bard also has more range and a better Q(in some ways)
pyke cd are lik 5s Q 7s E in late depends on what you build and that's actually alot when you see other mobile champ, the thing which is hard isn't hitting the R it's that you have to know when someone has flash cd, dash cd, heal cd, or smthing which make them invincible like stopwatch. In late if you engage you die and if you don't build duskblade in teamfight you'll probably die by pressing R
As a Vel'Koz main, im absolutely agree with your statement. But wanna add, that vel'koz is really skill dependent champ. If you know how to use his abilities, Q in particular, you can be the menace of botlane, and mvp of the game, bcs you can beat any lane opponent and fed Vel with his amount of damage is extremely strong. That works other way if you have no experience and understanding of him. You insanely useless. I saw such players, thats rly sad to watch. P.s. Use 45 degree angles boys, develop your geometry vision)
ok so, for having seen some good yuumi in korean streams, she is not an easy champ. She is indeed easy in the fact that u just sit there and press buttons, but u gotta play with ur adc to hit ur Qs, u gotta proc passive whenever u can and that's the hardest part of the champ imo, as u gotta know when it's safe to come out and when u can actualy get punished for it, u gotta sometimes know to come out to get ur R root off, u gotta spam W to proc aerie as much as possible, there's a lot the champ can do that low elo players dont even know of. So yeah her skill floor is very low, but her skill ceiling is very, very underrated.
No - it is not xDDD Just because some Korean dude did something with her doesn’t change the fact that she is an item that is 100% depended on how well her Teams play, she is also attached 90% of time - not even being a champion but buff to a teammate
@@czerkitka141 im a viktor otp so nowhere close to a yuumi main xD. But np, as i said low elo players have no idea of half of what the champ can actually do, so i dont blame u (i still dont understand why u answered twice tho)
nah she has really toxic design. every enchanter needs to know how to be safe and as there are often the priority target. the win condition to win against a soraka is to kill her first, kill janna first, kill nami first, so the enemy won't have anymore sustain or peel. Yuumi on the other hand, has so much freedom with her positioning even though she is the priority target. It's really rare to see a yuumi die first in a teamfight while a soraka or janna dying first in a teamfight is a lot more common.
@@jackrush1222 that's not the issue here tho, my point was that the champ has way more mechanics than people think it does. Also it does have the freedom to be untargetable, but u gotta see the windows where u can come out and auto or just go back for aerie proc
I don’t quite know why you put naut over Leona in difficulty, Leona has the ability to e through minions and can w to absorb a lot of damage, but during the early game she is way squisher than nautilus. In almost all situations early game and mid game if you’re on par, nautilus can just walk over without even using q and just root, e block pathing and q if they try to flash away because he just has a ridiculous amount of stats that just makes him bonkers, his w outright blocks minion damage with the shield unlike Leona, plus adds more damage on every auto, making attack speed nasty on him. He’s also one of the few champs that can go full ap and still be really tanky meaning he can do ridiculous damage and just walk away, he’s also able to build ad and build strikebreaker to add more cc to his kit with a w root auto and stride, it saves your e as a second slow meaning you’ll end up with q again after permanently slowing/ccing them and can repeat the process. As a watered down version of what I said: nautilus can walk through minions and just go in due to just having the stats and kit to do so, whereas Leona has to look for that positioning from my experience as a Leona and nautilus player. Like you said most tanks are brain dead, and I will tell you now, nautilus is probably the most brain dead tank support besides maokai.
Singed and teemo are my favorite For ioki it seems to be mf and senna Some players like to one shot Some like to never die (tank shaco) It depend on ppls taste
When did Xerath become "not very good as support"? Seems like just yesterday he was one of the most powerful, underrated, and underplayed supports in the game.
I0ki doesnt mention some things about yuumi. 1) In any elo lower than masters, your adc being on the same page is a very small percentage 2) Yuumi has a reduced warding range when sitting on allies 3) due to her being more dependent on her team than any other champion makes her the ultimate coinflip champion. I do disagree with you on yuumi being set as extremely easy based off of the parameters set at the beginning of the video. To do what other supports do in terms of warding and objective control, yuumi is at a much MUCH higher risk than any other support if the team is not on the same page due to how riot gutted her w and made it go on a 5 sec cd if she gets cc'd by any hard cc. I do agree that she is the easiest champ to pilot however.
I love thumbnail lmao. Im so tired of yuumi mains saying she has a high skill ceiling or shes « hard ». Sure you wont get away by being afk healing in higher ranks but like thats the literally the case for every fucking champion.
First time I played Lulu I got flamed by my whole team. Rakan and Blitz on the other side weren't the best picks on me, but still more valuble than Lulu
Not sure how Neeko is like a lux really, so much of your value is trying to find those huge ults in melee. Also anivia support is pretty easy, works quite decently for me too. Build crown and zhonyas and you're deceptively tanky while spamming out Qs with glacial. Anyone in your ult, or that is moved by your wall, or hit by Q deal less damage. So pretty much everyone all the time in team fights.
Some of Blitzcrank's value is the psychological torment on enemies by just standing there menacingly
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You guys are terrifying.
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Blitz's greatest weapon is his hook.
His second greatest weapon is the fear of the hook.
Most satisfying thing is when the enemy is so obsessed with dodging the hook you literally just walk up to the point where it becomes impossible to dodge.
sometime i jus force them into gank postions without even having to deal a single point of damage
My only gripe, I think, is lulu. I think she's in a similar situation as Janna. If you just press buttons, you'll be somewhat useful. But her q can be a little funky with how pix flies around, especially if its attached to an enemy. Choosing to extend the q range with an e on minions or camps as well. Using the ultimate to interrupt dashes and abilities like panth stun or stopping a trist from jumping away. Choosing whether or not to poly or boost an ally. Plus a surprising amount of build diversity, and non-static skill order. So high minimum value, but there's a lot of room for skill expression
thats a good point but I think this list was based on how easy it is to help out/succeed in the support role.
I agree with both you and the first reply hehe
agree
I think lulu is still more braindead than janna, you can press all your buttons on the hypercarry and win the fight whereas janna at least has to land something. The W usage is pretty straightforward too: talon jumped on your twitch => you W the talon, twitch is ulting enemy team from stealth for a pentakill montage => you W the twitch. The rest of her skill expression (interrupting dashes) can be done and is more difficult on champions like janna/nami, they also have an additional cast time. It doesnt matter what you build on lulu as long as its composed of a forbidden idol, the few degens playing her top with attack speed are just that, degens.
I think the reasoning that separates the two champions lies in that Lulu's optimal gameplay patterns can become very diminutive with trustworthy hypercarries on her team, while a pure buffing/enchanting playstyle will almost never be the best option for Janna, who thrives on CC and space manipulation (similar to Renata, Thresh, and Bard). Janna has slightly more preemptive skill expression involved with her Q, R, and her position relative to everyone else, but I agree with you that pet mechanics with Pix (and a somewhat non-static skill order) makes a great argument. Overall I'd say that Janna's skill expression is more visible and less situational than Lulu's, but their skill ceilings can be similar.
I started playing Bard lately. It's truly another world, every game is a journey...
Bard is the Lucio of League.
@@glitchboard9452 Very Much agree. A Character who just does his own Funny Things, while Providing Utilty and is also super unique to play. Their are way to less Character in this Direction.
As a Thresh OTP I got clickbaited very hard by seeing him in the easy pile
I played Thresh a few times and I can’t even comprehend what he said
Same but thresh is just my main
The thing with bard is, a lot of times youd hit what would be a perfect R but your teamate does something before it hits that makes it an int
yes it feels terrible as riven when im fighting someone, intrrupts my cds
Bard Main here. Played him since release. Everyone hates me. I get it. Blame Rito for making such a fun champ.
Taric is one of those types of mechanically hard champions you were talking about earlier.
The difference between landing an extra auto, or not, is huge.
Yeah true with the CD reductions per auto, it really does matter sneaking in those autos on Taric
I think the most team-reliant supports should be in a new hardest tier above everyone else.
Relying on teammates in solo queue is just about the hardest approach to the game to take.
So every single tank then
sona
@@TheKillingPerfection rell
Did anyone actually see renata 😅 one of the more forgotten supports
Also zilean one of the most annoying supports
Renata may not be there because she is fairly new and the list may be old. Zilean, in the other hand, it pissed me off >:v I love him
@@lautaromoreno3916 Bottom right corner of his screen shows October 3, 2022.
@@Portuducks The list may be old not the video. Aka streamer just found this tier list in the internet
I'd put her on "kinda hard"
Ioki talked about Braum for 5 seconds and those were the happiest 5 seconds of my life
Why dont he never talk about him
@@lolamina8741 I think he hates Braum I’m waiting for the day I see him play him but I don’t think that will ever happen :(
@@willsteinberg4168 i want to know why. Everytime he just skip him or talk for 4sec 😢 the last braum video was 10months ago
@@lolamina8741 he always skips my big mustachio boy
I was looking for this small section of Braum mains disappointed for all the hate
I mean... why??
Where in the tier list would be amumu, renata and zilean?
I've only seen amumu be a support recently, maybe it's because he was a jungle before the tier list was created idk same with Renata ig in terms of release
Where is zilean?
When I saw yone in the support list, I really hoped to see Zoe too, but she wasn't included and I understand that she's not that popular in the support role but I would like to hear an opinion. Other than that it was a great video Ioki
i use zoe supp, i got M7 :)
Have you noticed that "kinda hard" category has more champs than "average" category, which makes it the real average category?
That mean ioki think playing support is hard
But where the fuck is Zilean ??? :(
Major disrespect to Zilean in this video
Teemo would need an entire tier to himself
@Jonathan J. It mostly breaks my team in champ select
@Jonathan J. karthus and panth can too
I started playing it adc , ive lost my first game after the 7th try , all 6 before were funny wins
Then i tried suuport , sadly it was like playing adc but without hiting minions , i was doing the same thing
Tried mid , i didnt like it , katarina , akali , most mid dont use auto attacks and the R is hard to use since theres a lot of area to cover
Top...poor top players...even today i feel bad for all the bad game they had against me lol
And lastly i tried jgl , and i noticed 2 important things , first hes actualy better at killing monsters than singed , second , no one complained
And its funny to see how many ppls wander on river to get killed by shrooms lol
Ngl, everytime some asshole trys to teemo support when I'm adc I just dodge. As a M7 former rat one trick I know exactly how useless Teemo is in most situations. You have to be literally braindead to let a teemo pop off let alone be the factor in why he won a game. His range is shit, his cc is shit, and if you buy sweeper or umbral theres little to no point in his shrooms. And as a support how's he gonna get an adc fed? Blind the enemy adc and hope they take a dumb fight? How's he gonna help his adc survive a gank? Pray the enemy jungle steps on a shroom? It's completely troll.
He is S++
This was very informative, since im quite new. As a Taric main, I hate getting banned because of the Taric bots, so I’ve been looking for a second support to play. Thanks for this!
Any opinions on Poppy/experience on it on Support?
Hey iOki, you talked about amumu in your support tier list video but didn't include him in this one, so where would you put him ? Very educational video btw, I learned a lot :)
based on what i see i think he would be put as average. kinda easy but Q is still a skillshot
20:22 I genuinely agree, the game is really only made up of clicking and max 5-6 commonly pressed buttons. Mechanics are generally easy to understand, how to improve at them is pretty easy to get. Mechanics is nowhere near the hardest part of this game.
Yet most adc...well even ioki ones are actualy good , they are hiting the target , auto attacks are an op mechanics that most adc dont know
Since you mention Janna is one of the most misunderstood champions in the game, could you please make a video about her to help us understand her?
Very good list!
Altough Imo Nami is a bit harder generally than Morgana, would swap them probably her ult usage can vary a lot, her Q is weird to land and her W usage aswell
Morg is mostly Q with a wide hitbox to cheese from out of vision
the thing with nami is, even if she misses her q, she can still buff damage, speed up allies, and heal them, plus her ult. If you miss q on morgana, you're useless for another 10 seconds
what a great video! i am an adc (xayah) but i play a lot of support too, im trying to learn janna and senna, cause they are so different but both very fun to play.
Xayah can be used as support , you just attack them with basic attack , its a bit hard cause minions will attack you , but once the target try to attack back , you call your feathers back and stun them
Its a bit aggressive but if your adc is aggressive to , it work
@@shirakolee sounds cool, thanks
My biggest gripe is Zyra not being in extremely easy. The other day I was fed twitch, like 8/2 and was getting killed by a Zyra who was 2/6 faster then I could kill her. She could miss anything, was tanky enough to kill me before I could kill her, and has some of the most punishing support I've ever played against. Her biggest problem as support is her plants will steal cs regardless of what you do.
I played her twice , first after 10mn of no ganking from target team and us being fed , khazix one shot me
Second one the adc was runing under the target tower , why my plants could at first kill something , they got so fed that it was then impossible to even stay under tower
So i would say shes realy hard to use , she have no way to survive once ganked by 4 good players
@@shirakolee I main Zyra and one if you have a duo it is extremely easy (really good with Jinh) However you become a massive target and you’ll be camped most games because she is very oppressive when no one is targeting her. She is also very slow and doesn’t have any real peal than her ult (Which you can most likely walk over) and her e (But has a short root time) You have to be very aware of your surroundings but if you can just get ahead, she can be a headache for the enemy if you can get her mythic. She also doesn’t have any real counter if you have played the game for long (Although I struggle with Xerath and Brand because I don’t see they all the time and can easily 1v1 you)
Her abilities are mostly skillshots.
So you saying that you were feed and a 2/6 zyra killed you, means that you didn’t dodge anything. How don’t you expect to die if you get full combod?
"She could miss anything" no she cant, e and q are her burst, if she misses them she have to wait her plant to kill you, which will result in her die first.
Nah lol. I struggled with her at first. She is def a lot harder than people give her credit for
I do agree with you that the biggest factor in success is not mechanical skill level, but game knowledge, situational wisdom. But I do think RIOT has been going towards an emphasis on mechanical play in their design of new champs rather than sticking with the strategy and balance elements of the game. They seem to care more about what looks awesome in stream than anything else. This leads to players emphasizing mechanical play rather than the situational strategy they should be playing with. Players want to just go in and do the fab looking thing they saw on some High Elo stream rather than focus on what is necessary to win. I believe we could take a lot of the salt and toxicity out of the ranked game if we had separate queues: one for people who want to play objectively and strategically, one for people who just want to kill nubs. Of course to make that work you'd have to have some horrifical punishments for violators. It could be bait for the toxic souls.
Then again I think that mechanics and skill are thrown out of the window when you have broken items and champions and can be mindless if there is no grand plan unless you just keep engaging
Can’t wait to see offended Yuumi mains saying „SHE ISNT THAT EASY CAUSE SHE GOTTA AUTO FROM TIME TO TIME AND ACTUALLY NOT BE AN ITEM” guys do you realize that doing what LITERALLY all other champions do all the time doesn’t make her not an item and the easiest champion to play in the game?
Literally no other champion gets basically rooted for 10 seconds after being stunned. She is insanely difficult just from her global taunt
@@MiximumDennis well doesnt matter at all if you are permanently untargetable.
@@N3207H05 it does because if she is perma in w, she has almost zero pressure provided towards the enemy team.
@@MiximumDennis XD wtf are you talkin its completly the other way around. without her w she cant use her q she cant heal anyone and hitting your ult is insanly difficult, so your pressure in w is like 1000 higher.
@@N3207H05 1000 higher for Yuumi but still less than Nautilus. YOu can't deny that
Why is Orianna not on the list?
I don’t even see her in my games but only once in my 2 years of playing
@@internationalarmy3984 it isn’t well know. Hell I didn’t know about it until last week but man is it good. I am a support main and I have fell in love with how much I can impact the game with her
Thresh was the very first champion I picked up, way back in high school when I asked “who should I learn?” to the league team. And now I’m a Diamond 4 support who *can* play a decent amount of champions, but damn if Thresh isn’t my favourite.
Where's Renata and Zilean? Good Video Though
Probably old list.
As a gold supp main i kindly ask
Why is yone on the list?💀
i think moaki has a certain level of skill gap based on knowing when to w whether its to doge cc or a viegar ult or to stick to someone flashing or dashing and knowing when u can Q
No. Just w
where’s my boy zilean :(
Morde sup is decent if you know what you're doing, if you manage to win lane and take T1 tower early you get access to more gold via invading and 1v1ing the jgler everytime your ult is up and grouping with your adc when it's down. If you manage to pull it off you'll be taking an entire load of your jglr and your team will be winning in terms of resources and map pressure and control, and if you fall behind you're still a decent tank that can prevent dives and smite contests.
His downside is that he gets easily kited, so its best to work around that and make them come to you instead thus the invading and forcing the enemy jglr to contest jg camps.
Sion and Liz can make a great combo if both can land their stuns. I was fighting this bot and was supper oppressing and I was a Zyra
Really nice list. I can agree with most of them. Imo it would be nice to move Sona to Extreme Easy and give Yuumi her own Tier. Sona is so much easier than everyone in easy, but u still playin the same game. Yuumi on the other hand just ignores a big amount of basic League of Legends Gameplay and Knowledge.
For me Rakan, Janna and Lulu should be in different tiers. Janna max potential can be rlly high but imo u can go for the same arguement on Lulu, so they should be in the same tier. Rakan on the other side is so flashy and can pull of a lot of nice combos so i guess he should not be in the same tier as Rell or Nautilus. U need so much knowledge about the different arts of the Support role like how to engage, how to peel, how to roam and a decent amount of skill that he should be hard or maybe extreme hard. I guess its easier for someone who plays every Support, but for someone who just plays tanks or Enchanter he can be really difficult.
I wish there was İvern support too
But then Rengar would have to be in the ADC teir list
i mean he is a suport for all lanes while taking the jungle
Anivia support is kinda cheese if your ADC is Vayne or Zeri. Just for the wall interactions.
Sadly the vayne will either not attack the target , otr use hit skill after or before the wall is up
"I'm DEFINITELY going to put lulu in the...... hmm...... lemme think 🤔"
In all seriousness great vid was fun to watch as always
I think Pyke just is so forgiving as a champion. His hook? Lowest cd hook in the game at 10 seconds base. His passive (especially with W) heals him of his mistakes. And he comes with a dash. Like it may be difficult to do plays with him but actually trying to punish or kill him is just unbalanced in my opinion.
So lets say you try to hook someone , it work , you stun them both , it work , you do amazing things and manage to lower both target to 20% hp , then you notice your adc is still hiting minions , or get killed by minions alone , you choose to run away , jgl is coming that way with vision , you run to your tower , mid is coming , finaly you hide on that strange added spot on both side of the map , but you see the top tping at an hidden ward
I would definitly be more fine while using blitz near tower and graping ppls under it lol
@@shirakolee you dodge blitz hook. It takes a third of his mana and you can bully him for 15 seconds. You dodge a pyke hook? You can bully him for 7 seconds and he regens it all with his passive.
His hook slows himself and you need to wait to cast it to it's max range, plenty of time to get behind a minion, his dash can get stopped by so many things, like thresh e instantly stops it, he can't do anything to Leona Rell, naut etc. Plus in the late game, he dies instantly contributing almost nothing except random pick attempts which usually don't do anything
@@Smashedhiskeyboardupinthewoods I never said he was easy. Just forgiving. I wouldnt call ezreal a necessarily easy champion to be effective with. But he's definitely the safest ADC.
@@UnbornHeretic he's not forgiving, he has to use all his spells to get to you and he has to commit on every engage, his dash is super long and it has to go right up to you and probably past you, so if a jungler is there then he's dead. I used to main him, I'm aware of how he works
the second thing on yuumi imo is to leave your ally if he does some stupid shit and not even save him, e.g. adc goes into enemy team
Me as a beginner support player: I wanna start playing bard and pyke, they are fun, I like roaming and have impact on the whole map
Ioki: well I have bad news
Play them anyways. Prove me wrong!
Hope you're enjoying Twitchcon GSA!! Thank you for the tier list
I am missing some supports in the list.
Renata Glasc, Amumu, Heimer, Zilean.
Also sad my Vex or Veigar support isn't on there. As a veigar main I shrek with the best ability in the game. :3
Renata should be on the top for the following reason :
slow Q and R, W need great cooperation with adc, hard to win lane against a lot of match up, and she does have a variety of different builds what will impact her playstyle and rune choices greatlly
Renata kinda relays on the enemy comp with being a auto attack reliant and how fed they are because R as a ability is crap because of it only being like 2 seconds so it centered to how fast the enemy can auto
i agree with this list, except pyke that i dont find extremly difficult. I struggle more playing rakan personaly
I think that may be down to your personal style? Rakan is one of my top champs, but I'm worse Pyke NA. Haha I've just never been able to get a handle on him. :)
Both needs to land their stunts but it is the ADC to support you. While Raman arguable needs help pyke can do it and his own but you need to roam to get the most value and of you passive
I think it's that pyke needs to win lane to get value whereas rakan can still be useful late game as an engage support. A pyke who has 0 kills has no value in the game as he has no items and hence no damage to actually put pressure in the game after laning phase.
Nice list, but where is the donger. Plus i play both alistar and sett and i find they fulfill a similar purpose with alistar being way more difficult because he cant do anything alone as he doesnt have damage. Also once he is in, he is in whereas sett can ult someone out or at least w everyone for 1/3 of thei hp thus being usefull. And ali's wq is not easy when the target is very close to you or just out of w range and your run after but dont know when exactly theyll be in range
currently playing yuumi for fun because im not in mood of actually playing the game, even while playing other games, eating or watching youtube videos or even watching the new bleach anime, im sitting at a 70% winrate with a kda of 15:1, yuumi basically turns even games into autowins and hard games into auto losses, like usually unless your smurfing basically, so while it might not be the fastest climb youll get, its the most consistent, its literally just a matter of how many games you play. basically a zero effort climb.
Ioki thank you very much for making this video, its a lifesaver, i switched to support since almost 2 weeks ago so this helps me a lot.
Support itself is easy if but the best thing to learn is dodging skill shoots and that will help you with enemy ganks and the randomness of Bot Lane
Where would you rank Amumu, I’ve been seeing a lot of hm lately and thinking of adding the sad mummy to my pool to give him another friend
I think he’s easy when paired with a MF because once they both hit their R, it is a pain to get out.
I swear he was a jungler before, him being support just popped out of nowhere
zilean???
There is one thing that is hard with yuumi: your adc dies
Yone and Malphite on this list but not teemo? Teemo shuts off enemy adc for blind duration, Can stack dark harvest insanely fast, Once he gets level 6 he can force the enemy to play defensively or can go lock down enemy jungle.
Malphite only has his R.
Yone had a Zoro Moment.
its a shame what they did to pyke. "they massacred my boy"
THANKS IOKI!!! Everyone would flame me when I miss a hook or an ult with Pyke. I've been a support main for years and I just cannot make Pyke my main I'm awful with him. I find him quite difficult personally.
Yeah pyke...i tried him cause his invisible thing looked good , first in jgl , it worked good , then on support...but it was a nightmare , why i could hook them , i couldnt stun them , and was always missing my ulti
And since most adc dont attack , sometimes i was just loosing hp/mana for nothing
I used to otp him, but I gave up because late game you become useless and get blow up 24/7. I started playing Rell Leona and Ali just because pyke scarred me
where is renata?
There are definitely more impressive things than flash W that you can do on Maokai, if you angle his ult right and chain the first hit with Q you can get a double root, you can also ult to the side to instantly root a target at the edge of his R hitbox, it has pretty decent range.
I fully agree that mechanics are not the biggest changer in your game, I have never matched against a pyke that misses any of their abilities, play in silver, they never miss anything
That means the movement is predictable
I Don't think you actually did justice to TK.
People forget that this guy after the rework, actually has A LOT of mechanics.
He can hook people, he can do plays with Ults and Abyssal dives, he can do kidnap plays.
He can roam a lot, he can also collapse into walls to deny his Abyssal Dive Vision and just pop out of nowhere.
As a Person who every season climbs to Challenger with Wardens I have to say:
The champion is together with Thresh in number of pocket tricks.
The issue is, he is way harder to pull it due to the cooldowns and people now being aware that you can actually do insane things with the fish.
its weird that you didnt say rank one when you were listing your accomplishments. did you forget? did you think that was not a impressive accomplishment?
is there a video or clip where you do talk about Braum? can sort of guess why you don't, but it's only a guess
Where is my Kog'Maw support? For me, this champion is one of easiest supports, at least in my low-elo.
nice video, idea make one with synergy with which ADC / APC.
also what about fiddlesticks (ye he is a niche pick but so are sett and malph) and Renata both are missing
I played a lot of Taric before his rework. It was pretty cool and relaxing. I got to about 150 games with 53% winrate. Not enough to climb but it was relaxing. Playing a hard carrying champ all the time takes a toll on ya after a while...
i main Bard and i love how you explain Bard which makes me feels really satisfyyyy
you troll your team with your ults, right?
I’m adc main and I’m starting on Supp main. In Supp main I main lulu, naut, Leona, nami, lux, Soraka qnd yuumi. I agree with the positions you’ve given to all the support champions, BUT I’d put Janna, Lulu, Karma and Seraphine as Extra hard.
As an adc, it is super rare for me to find a player who actually know what to do with those champions. They focus on damage and hitting shots, and never know how to peel or roam. Whenever my support picks Janna, I go with Caitlyn which is the adc I play the most and best, bcs I know it’s probably going to be a bad Janna and I’m gonna have to do all the work by myself. Peel champions are hard bcs of how squishy they are, and how it takes BOTH parties being good. The adc needs to know what they r doing, know how to engage, and needs to know who to choose. Support needs to know who to stun/slow and needs to know how to peel.
i would argue on xer cuz im kind off a one-trick xer supp and when i do play something diff and go against other xeraths in the botlane i see them making so many mistakes that are so important to not make which results in us winning lane and maybe even the game i think ive never lost lane to a xerath cuz most off them just cant play like he is supposed to be played and they just possition bad or make a bad decision which is the hard part about xer so ye idk he is not the best mage at all and is pretty hard to play and not lose especially if u have no experience on xer or at least other mages
No MF support? The poke is unreal and her W is pretty much impossible to miss. R is a fight winner if you can position her well and can be insane for counter engages.
On paper, Annie should be allowed to last hit some minions with Q to stack her passive.
This seems like incredibly useful thing.... I guess the issue is that team ADC will tilt if you do it.
Relic shield
where does Zilean rank?
i feel like sona is tricky because while spamming QWE doesnt require any skill or anything, the difficult part of her kit is managing your mana/not running out of mana after two q and w's, and also positioning well so you dont get one shotted etc. since i feel like she's squishier than most enchanters. also landing her ult lmaoo i'd put her in the average tier
the skill cap with Sona's kit comes from knowing which passive to use and when. Most people just use Staccato for the bonus damage but in most cases Diminuendo and Tempo are far stronger tools in her kit, Diminuendo in perticular is under rated especially when you pair it with exhaust.
most supports already do that though. She's mechanically easy. positioning well is something that every player should do. managing mana is something every enchanter support should do. Literally her ult is the only one that has player expression.
Where would you place Sejuani as a support tho???? 👀
Bro she’s super fun to play but I never done her AP side. What do you think she best counters
Why is it insane that Ashe is more popular as support than as ADC?
Cause she was never designed as support.
it isn't insane,her pasive and ult really work with another damage dealer around
Where would you put fiddlesticks?
Never considered Pantheon support, need to try that
I wanna start a petition to take lux (and other poke mages) out of the support role and give her the morgana treatment. As an adc player there is nothing as disheartening then seeing your random sup lock one of them in. 8 times outta 10 it goes one of the same few ways every time. They either barely do things because they gotta be decent at landing skillshots but also have the tendency to just ks all your hard work. Then complain about you doing no damage when all you have are assists. Or turbo feed their ass off and complain that you're not doing as much damage as the enemy laners they just fed. Just to get an ego boost by walking around the map and pressing their stun buttons where ever your mid laner or jungler is. If all those players care about is getting kills and looking good then why not stick them in the jungle? Morg is a good example of how it could be useful IMO.
Renata? Zilean? Oriana?
This tier list is so cringe. Lost me when he put blitz and brand harder to play than Annie and puts Senna in kinda hard. This list and reasoning is all forms of delusional.
Post opgg
As a thresh main, im telling you, he is not that hard, but there is problem with his lantern, because almost nobody knows that if you click his lantern, it will pull you towards him, and if you dont know it.... You are welcome❤😊
my main champs are nautilus zyra and rell
mained zyra and nautilus to 400k then mained rell top and i'm at 200k on her with a good winrate
I agree on what you said on Pyke but his abilities have very low cooldown so you are not risking anything from missing a combo. He has tons of mobility, and is a pretty straight forward character unlike Bard. You can fairly succed in any game by just being present since your execution is easy to land and shares gold. I would put this champion on the Kinda Hard tier.
he has low HP tho,if bard misses Q he doesnt instantly die to any long range poke,dude can stay in lane a while,put shrines,roam and when hes back he can get a lot of healing off shrines
shrines are super underrated,yeah they cost 70 mana but bard gets a lot of mana from the chimes anyways,bard also has more range and a better Q(in some ways)
pyke cd are lik 5s Q 7s E in late depends on what you build and that's actually alot when you see other mobile champ, the thing which is hard isn't hitting the R it's that you have to know when someone has flash cd, dash cd, heal cd, or smthing which make them invincible like stopwatch.
In late if you engage you die and if you don't build duskblade in teamfight you'll probably die by pressing R
As a Vel'Koz main, im absolutely agree with your statement. But wanna add, that vel'koz is really skill dependent champ. If you know how to use his abilities, Q in particular, you can be the menace of botlane, and mvp of the game, bcs you can beat any lane opponent and fed Vel with his amount of damage is extremely strong. That works other way if you have no experience and understanding of him. You insanely useless. I saw such players, thats rly sad to watch.
P.s. Use 45 degree angles boys, develop your geometry vision)
ok so, for having seen some good yuumi in korean streams, she is not an easy champ. She is indeed easy in the fact that u just sit there and press buttons, but u gotta play with ur adc to hit ur Qs, u gotta proc passive whenever u can and that's the hardest part of the champ imo, as u gotta know when it's safe to come out and when u can actualy get punished for it, u gotta sometimes know to come out to get ur R root off, u gotta spam W to proc aerie as much as possible, there's a lot the champ can do that low elo players dont even know of. So yeah her skill floor is very low, but her skill ceiling is very, very underrated.
No - it is not xDDD
Just because some Korean dude did something with her doesn’t change the fact that she is an item that is 100% depended on how well her Teams play, she is also attached 90% of time - not even being a champion but buff to a teammate
Nah, you must be trolling or an offended, sad Yuumi main realizing he is playing item
@@czerkitka141 im a viktor otp so nowhere close to a yuumi main xD. But np, as i said low elo players have no idea of half of what the champ can actually do, so i dont blame u (i still dont understand why u answered twice tho)
nah she has really toxic design. every enchanter needs to know how to be safe and as there are often the priority target. the win condition to win against a soraka is to kill her first, kill janna first, kill nami first, so the enemy won't have anymore sustain or peel. Yuumi on the other hand, has so much freedom with her positioning even though she is the priority target. It's really rare to see a yuumi die first in a teamfight while a soraka or janna dying first in a teamfight is a lot more common.
@@jackrush1222 that's not the issue here tho, my point was that the champ has way more mechanics than people think it does. Also it does have the freedom to be untargetable, but u gotta see the windows where u can come out and auto or just go back for aerie proc
bard kinda plays like ivern,both are roaming suports but one plays in the suport lane and the other in the jg lane
I think low elo Nassus support is slept on
Me and my mate made him as the ADC with SUP Vigar
@@internationalarmy3984 wow, the scaling is off the charts! Try flipping them, Nasus is a really fun support. You just never take Q and poke with E.
@@Jeffing_Around I’ll have to try that with a buddy of mine
How is there no Vi support? You have Yone, Sett, Shen but no VI :(
I don’t quite know why you put naut over Leona in difficulty, Leona has the ability to e through minions and can w to absorb a lot of damage, but during the early game she is way squisher than nautilus. In almost all situations early game and mid game if you’re on par, nautilus can just walk over without even using q and just root, e block pathing and q if they try to flash away because he just has a ridiculous amount of stats that just makes him bonkers, his w outright blocks minion damage with the shield unlike Leona, plus adds more damage on every auto, making attack speed nasty on him. He’s also one of the few champs that can go full ap and still be really tanky meaning he can do ridiculous damage and just walk away, he’s also able to build ad and build strikebreaker to add more cc to his kit with a w root auto and stride, it saves your e as a second slow meaning you’ll end up with q again after permanently slowing/ccing them and can repeat the process. As a watered down version of what I said: nautilus can walk through minions and just go in due to just having the stats and kit to do so, whereas Leona has to look for that positioning from my experience as a Leona and nautilus player. Like you said most tanks are brain dead, and I will tell you now, nautilus is probably the most brain dead tank support besides maokai.
I think Anivia support is good because her ice wall is unmatched.
Nami should be in hard tier
Can you do a video on most fun Champs to play?
Singed and teemo are my favorite
For ioki it seems to be mf and senna
Some players like to one shot
Some like to never die (tank shaco)
It depend on ppls taste
bard
When did Xerath become "not very good as support"?
Seems like just yesterday he was one of the most powerful, underrated, and underplayed supports in the game.
I0ki doesnt mention some things about yuumi. 1) In any elo lower than masters, your adc being on the same page is a very small percentage 2) Yuumi has a reduced warding range when sitting on allies 3) due to her being more dependent on her team than any other champion makes her the ultimate coinflip champion. I do disagree with you on yuumi being set as extremely easy based off of the parameters set at the beginning of the video. To do what other supports do in terms of warding and objective control, yuumi is at a much MUCH higher risk than any other support if the team is not on the same page due to how riot gutted her w and made it go on a 5 sec cd if she gets cc'd by any hard cc. I do agree that she is the easiest champ to pilot however.
I miss static-shiv Bard. That was my go to.
the fact that Heimy isn't on here is a travesty
That yuumi placement is only if your adc can understand what you are doing.
im upset jarvan support isnt on here :(
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I love thumbnail lmao. Im so tired of yuumi mains saying she has a high skill ceiling or shes « hard ». Sure you wont get away by being afk healing in higher ranks but like thats the literally the case for every fucking champion.
First time I played Lulu I got flamed by my whole team. Rakan and Blitz on the other side weren't the best picks on me, but still more valuble than Lulu
Wait… if most of the champions are kinda hard
Doesn’t that make kinda hard average?
Not sure how Neeko is like a lux really, so much of your value is trying to find those huge ults in melee.
Also anivia support is pretty easy, works quite decently for me too. Build crown and zhonyas and you're deceptively tanky while spamming out Qs with glacial. Anyone in your ult, or that is moved by your wall, or hit by Q deal less damage. So pretty much everyone all the time in team fights.
Feels good. Bard mane sitting happy at 2.5 million champion points