How to integrate your shadow - Jordan Peterson
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- Practical tips on how to integrate your shadow and become more present and powerful in the world, from Canadian psychologist and philosopher Jordan Peterson...
"Men who develop their shadow also develop a kind of peculiar grace that would be a consequence of not only allowing their aggressive side to step forward but also their feminine and compassionate side that they may have kept squelched."
Many thanks to Jordan Peterson for the content - we are running events based on many of the insights of his lectures - see: www.rebelwisdom.co.uk
Original video here: • Q & A 2018 08 August B
6:21 "The practical approach for developing your shadow"
and dream analysis, for sure. Big chunk of your Shadow is in the Unconscious part of you, so you need to see what your dreams are trying to convey to you. And also - what you fear and avoid - that is also the Shadow. The heroes in movies you love/hate? That's positive/negative Shadow. Study the movie characters you resonate the most with and infer from it what if means for you.
Smoking pot makes your shadow visible.
@@m1galler how exactly?
@@diogofarias1822 because the thoughts that are usually subconscious come to the forefront. you are a little more separate from the ego that normally where it just blends in and gives you a nudge. It is also easier to influence their effect on you since they are more noticeable and put together your patterns and tendancys. Or you can just listen to music and eat stuff. Depends on your focus in a lot of ways.
NO. IF IT IS PART OF YOU NO! YOUR SHADOW IS YOU!
Step by step to shadow work
1, Detach yourself from your persona
2, Admit any evil and dark intention in your mind
3, Merge with it
4, Use it in a good way
thank you for making it simple
the most concise explanation
Good is subjective though. Good way for me or good way for others?
@@damson9470 i'm not a relativist actually but use it in a way that not degenerative for you but i think shadow work or Carl Jung theory in general is not gonna work for a moral relativist
@@fikriasrofi5312 thanks for the clarification
I’ve always thought to myself: “What would it be like to be around when Socrates, Nietzsche or Jung were alive and developing and mapping human thought and spirit.” Jordan Peterson is a living breathing example. God bless him and his.
It would really depend on who you ask and at what age
Knowing myself like I do, I’m afraid I probably would have ignored these men, or worse. Thank God we can learn and absorb new, beneficial knowledge.
Ha ha brainwashed ???get a life
Well nietchse would have a beef with Socrates and Jung try to deascalate their conflict 🤣
Well, there would be a lot of having sex all the time, certanly...a loooot...of discovering sex stuff...just a bunch....and then some...
“It’s really useful to be dangerous” - Jordan Peterson
@G4L4CTICNORTH check 5:17
Context begins 1:23
Definition begins 1:53
For the branches of a tree to reach to the Heavens,
It's roots must go all the way to Hell
Pray for Jordan Peterson's swift recovery.
Is he sick ? Didn't know that.
@@rodrigodasilva9176 He went to Russia to be put in a medically-induced coma for addiction treatment a few months ago, haven't heard anything since then.
What good will praying do? That's sounds like a steaming load of virtue signaling.
Sass Hole he just went to treatment.
Fuck prayer dude. Thinking nice thoughts about someone will accomplish nothing. ACT. There are millions of people like him struggling with addiction. Donate to a charity that helps those struggling with addiction or mental illness, or volunteer yourself. Call up a friend you know is struggling and ask them how they’re doing. Words are wind. Take action!
One of Jordan's best - and true. It reminds me of the 1994 film comedy The Mask, where ironically the beta male protagonist discovers that when he wears an ancient mask it frees his deeper instincts, and he eventually integrates his Persona and Shadow to a degree.
The whole point is to stop wearing masks. In addition, the thought of all those slighty sychophantic Peterson neophytes recoiling at all this talk of embracing one's feminine side, does make me chuckle.
That’s correct Wendy, we ALL wear masks... metaphorically speaking.
@@calskywalker95 😂😂😂
What the fuck the problem started when you integrate a persona.
The reason why people struggle in this world is because thier hands are tied by law and they are in a game of life where the rules are made up but are not taught.
The persona is the mask the thing that covers the shadow.
Especially in men.
You deny your feminine side.
The mask is portraying persona when the typically beta as you put it puts it on he becomes a ridiculous creature.
That's what it's telling everyone the people who are like that are fake and inside are weak that's why they need the mask.
Get it right.
Theres no alphas and betas.
Your conditioned by your culture to compete against each other to give rise to your biochemistry that you become addicted to so carry on the shadow is you the point you view it from thats false persona and an actor that you believe you are.
Your all insane conditioned slaves that believe otherwise through punishment and reward.
Wake the hell up man
Tom Smith ummm *you’re all insane... sheesh
Just notice that the people around you that are brutally honest are a lot more stronger
Gosh this is so true
+1
when your strong you can be brutally honest
“More stronger”, really, is English your second language?
@@JeffaHensley Not everyone has learned to be laconic.
See my shadow changing
Stretching up and over me
Soften this old armor
Hoping I can clear the way by
Stepping through my shadow
Coming out the other side
Step into the shadow
Forty six and two are just ahead of me
Yeah through Tool's music I first in-counted the concept of the Shadow and now through Peterson I have now discovered Jung. 46&2 is such a great tune! I have brought a bunch of Jung's books. Can't wait to dive in and explore....😉
Been crawling on my belly....
Wish Peterson would have a conversation with Maynard (tool) and Palaniuck( fightclub author)
Tobin Davis - Have you listened to the new record yet? I’m waiting for mine to be delivered today
Daniel Wade Yes i have. Totally mind altering. My physical copy will be in today as well.
1:15 The meek shall inherit the earth = Peace through strength.
Having power but choosing not to use it.
Dangerous but disciplined
@@m.draven477 I would say: Dangerous but self-disciplined through introspection, more than disciplined by others...
"Better to be a warrior in a garden, than a gardner in a war"
@@dreamdiction I feel like it's also having power and channeling that power to and power with other people instead of the current paradigm we still live in of using your "power over people".
I am currently in psychodynamic therapy (through a specialist service for people with personality disorders - myself having borderline PD). I’m in the process of shedding my persona and accepting/incorporating my shadow into my character. All my life I have been refusing to accept that I am capable of the negative - to the point that I completely separated any negative thought/feeling/action to that of a separate entity which had a name and a voice (a delusion and auditory hallucination). I believed I was incapable of being ‘bad’, now I see that it was juvenile and naive. I am getting to know myself for the first time. I’m unlocking my potential. It feels like I’m waking up for the first time. I feel more powerful as the weeks go by. This video has helped me clarify my therapy experience and given me a greater understanding of my transformation. Thank you Jordan Peterson.
Sophie Yardley my grandma has the same problem as you however she Never integrated her shadow.
Any updates? I'm in a similar place.
Want to say I hope you're doing amazing.
Keep doing what you’re doing x
Do you think this is what people in the past would have referred to as the devil whispering to them?
8:06 ".....radical honesty....." is the cure for anything. Thanking You
Persona is not to be rejected either. It’s a natural phenomena. Knowledge of it, and then opening to the deeper dimensions of the psyche, is fundamental to our integration. Nobody goes out into the world without their mask. This too is also as it should be.
They never said to reject the persona…
The video is literally on recognizing your shadow self & learning how to integrate it to achieve the most optimal version of oneself
Montenegrins have a word 'čojstvo' [choystvo], which no one i knew in former Yugoslavia long time ago could quite explain to me. I finally heard the explanation which goes (more or less) like this: heroism is protecting yourself from your enemies - čojstvo is protecting others [your enemies] from yourself. As a society we really need to work on 'čojstvo'.
Interesting what the word for costvo be in English?
Thanks for sharing this. I tend to be afraid of conflict, but often I feel like its because I'm afraid of how I might react, not how the other person is reacting.
Very interesting, a valuable contribution, thank you. I get into dark moods such that I wish that another did not have to suffer, and best I am left to fight it out .
Thank you for sharing this
Would "restraint be an accurate English translation of this word?
"If you can be dangerous, you often don't have to be" ~ wise words
Shadow parts of the self that the persona rejects. Observe one s own fantasies of resentment or revenge. Notice if you are oppressed and your moral obligation is to speak up about it. Honesty with yourself is like good therapy. The journey to enlightenment begins with recognition of one’s capacity for evil. If those aggressive parts are integrated into one’s character one can be dangerous and that actually is good. You can develop grace. Speaking truth assertively is necessary.
What I have found interesting about the shadow is that it is not the act of standing up for yourself that empowers you. It's the ability to stand with others in a way that fulfils you which matters. Like Jordan says, if you narrow down the resentment, that is when the shadow provides positive solutions. It is when you don't know what bothers you which the shadow creates selfish power hungry fantasies. Integration is the key to navigate through the darkness of your mind.
I believe a big part of my shadow is that I am weak in some sense to stand up for myself. I have never really been bullied at school or anything, I've just been a very agreeable person and rarely say no. That's where anger appears, when I feel I naturally say yes to something I don't want to do, (although I attempt to convince myself that it doesn't bother me) but do anyway. Thoughts I didn't think I could think of appear, and strange dark fantasies come and go. To which JP does say, it can feel dangerous and scary that the human mind is capable of such things. During times of self reflection I realize that this is not who I want to be, I have an image in my head of the person I want to become.
I would like to hear your stories.
INFP personality type if it means much.
Im infp too and i feel quite identified with you! Hope you re in the way to find yourself
Weird as shit, I’m Enfp and I’m feeling the exact same
Well I am an INFP T HSP empath had a severe traumatic childhood struggling with mental health.I am 30 years old and guess what at 13 years of age I discovered who I have really want to be a Polymath but due to pressure and of course other out my hand circumstances I became from rebellious to agreeable which resulted in me being split into two.Fast forward several years I learn about mbti,learn about my dreams and using Ne I start rebelling again this time integrating my Shadow and as far as agreeable is concerned I have become blunt with politeness that is if certain people are manipulating me I see through their game and either I walk away or Say no.Also if I agree to certain tasks and feel uneasy or have bad thoughts I picture myself out of my body and see what is causing this or am I overeacting or is somebody influencing me.In order no your true I have discovered as an INFP stay away from toxic, emotional,yes man buffoons and also manipulative people your true self will appear.Also we INFPs love to be knowledgeable.The more you read,research and use it in your LIfe the more you will become straight forward.
I am also infp. I do believe when I was growing up I was very agreeable. For me I had a harder time growing up, because I didn't have much of a grasp at social skills. The agreeableness made it easy for people to want to be around me. And a couple of shared traits were normally the only reason I was around somebody. Also, had really bad anger issues.
When creative/transformative expression is stifled, it manifests its shadow, which is destructiveness.
I've always found the best way to integrate the shadow as a male is to have ambition. True ambition eliminates fear and is a extremely productive force.
I know this is old. But how do you cultivate ambition? Is spite a good motivator?
Integration of your shadow side is one of the most important things you can do, but also the most difficult and time consuming. "The meek shall inherit the earth" is super powerful - in that meek meaning that the man is dangerous but collected. A perfect example of perfect shadow integration.
Key points I took from this video:
Keep your weapons sheathed, but know what they are.
“That revelation of the evil of the self is part of the journey to enlightenment and an early part”
The shadow would be all the parts of the personality that the persona rejects
Jung said a genuine moral effort was a good substitute for psychotherapy.
Radical honesty is a fundamental, practical approach for developing your shadow.
This was excellent advice that resonates with me very well. The reason I have intrusive thoughts of hurting people is because I am capable of this. I call this bad, but this does not change my problematic psychology. I choose to be careful when learning about his politics, but he has a lot of excellent wisdom from various sources when it comes to psychology.
I am capable of harming others and I don't have to fear myself. I am willing not to use my weapons. I derived immediate practical benefit from this. Thank you Peterson. Beautiful.
This becomes significantly harder if you’ve had a traumatic up bringing. How can one accept the part of themselves that has fantasies of revenge against there own family? Absolutely love listening to this guy, feels as if I get stronger bit by bit but sometimes it’s hard to integrate what he says
Ive recently been really accepting my fantasies towards my family and my ex wife - those the closest to me. I’ve been writing a lot of Fuck You notes to them, on my kitchen table.
You desire justice. Now take those fantasies of revenge and understand your feelings of satisfaction from them. Then, find a legal, moral way of satisfying those feelings.
Btw, having those fantasies seem normal as other people can have them too.
I know those fantasies seems unacceptable (i mean it's your family), but the real problem is your attitude towards them: that's what transform them in your shadow, yourself trying to block a part of yourself. Now, these fantasies are a part of your deep self, which is trying to communicate with you through out this images. That's ok, it's how our unconscious communicate, through out symbols, inner images. This doesn't mean you have to transform that into action, but simply let it flow through your mind, acknowledge them and than find a way to express the build up emotional energy. If you accept them, and understand that it's just some deep ancient energy inside yourself that is communicating with you, you will be able to integrate your shadow. Just accept them, because it means accepting yourself. Take care
Samuel Abraham currently feeling that
Take boxing or martial arts lessons, make a painting about revenge, or learn electric guitar and make a revenge song or write a book about your revenge.
I can see how fully understanding this is going to be a BIG help! Thank you.
"Thou wert the meekest man that ever ate in hall among ladies; and thou wert the sternest knight to thy mortal foe that ever put spear in the rest."
Sir Ector to the grave of Lancelot.
Whenever I think of the shadow and the dark side of human beings, about harnessing your more animalistic side, I always remember these beautiful words and take them to heart.
Simple romantic poetry? Maybe but its better then a dark abyss.
This 💙
3:8 All are skilled with the sword, experienced in warfare. Each has his sword at his side prepared for the terror of the night.
I got to say that dude really knows his stuff.. keep him up I'll spread it to Twitter more people need to hear it
This is a good video. I often find this man too hard to listen to. Here he is sitting down and speaking for a shorter time. Much better, his voice is better for starters. Content helpful. Thanks for sharing.
Shadow work is the hardest work I've ever done. And the most rewarding. It throws you in the center of the drama, and goes out from there. Good video, Dr. Jordon. Thank you for what you do. Sometimes it's just the ways the old we've forgotten.
Thank you Dr. Peterson. You've really helped me a lot on my journey towards recovery and self discovery.
Daylight casts shadows while the night reveals starlight. We are whole and compassionate when we can see both in ourselves. My shadow work helped me keep the warrior at bay.
We are both the Light and the Dark. The Dark has been made scary and unconscious. It is up us as the collective consciousness to make that part/side of ourselves conscious again. To shed light into the Darkness and make us whole once again. To be a monster is scary. To be a monster masked as ignorence, this is truly frightening.
~Brad Khan
was feeling hopeless for days... dong meditation everyday helps but by dong shadow work there was tears then it went the freedom for facing shadow was one of the best things to have in life. i hope some day that our schools would teach this so that we can have more people with more pace of mind.
Great content . Such an important part of psychology. You can really see the shadow side of people in crowd mentality. For some reason the crowd tends to draw it out and it's really eye opening to see. I wish it was more popular and there was more information about it readily available...Great video thanks
I integrated my shadow over several years by balancing the opposing forces within myself.
Finding our shadow side ,i am really interested in this pls tell me how to go for it in simplest language possible . Give me an eg too if posdible
@@reenasingh-id9zh It's not so much about finding it as it is coming to terms with the darker side of you. Your anger towards others, brash actions in self-interest, and general contempt towards different aspects of life all constitute your "shadow". It starts with understanding your inner desires and intentions and how they impact those around you
I've often felt that perhaps a way too try to advance through life is by balancing off opposing traits, like trying to be honest without being rude, kind without being a pushover, dependable without being overbearing, etc.
I suggest an Ayahuasca Ceremony, integrating your core in connection to the whole, I'm certain it'd help with all trauma and pain
Where are you located though?
Many thanks for this talk Jordan. You are a wise man indeed. My son asked me to watch the above video which is excellent. Hope you get well soon.
Your final couple of sentences were very powerful. Thanks for that perspective.
2:12 I think he's referring to this quote...
“Of all evil I deem you capable: Therefore I want good from you. Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws.”
For me, hearing that for the first time was almost like a weight got lifted off my shoulders. I had always noticed that distinction, but couldn't effectively communicate it. Basically, anytime you find out you aren't the only one who notices something, it's comforting.
TL;DR: I am Nietzsche. I am comforted.
How do you get back your claws
@@lukamilicevic712 technically, you never actually lose them. The quote is pointing out the difference between someone who is a good person because "that's all they know how to be" vs. being a good person by choice because they have seen both sides of the coin, good and bad.
It's basically a reminder that we ALL have claws (the capability to be bad people), and that true mental fortitude comes from those who know the feeling of using their claws, yet make the conscious decision not to.
-You can also interpret this as "a strong man who has never faced adversity, might not actually be as strong as he thinks." Essentially the same thing, just more broad.
Hope that helps!
I am certainly glad that as societies we are finally open to get to know concepts like the shadow. We need to get out of the self-righteous mode that does not allow us to observe those aspects that need further development. For example, I am Mexican, upper class Mexican. We have gigantic Walls around our houses in Mexico City and other cities, with barbed wire and electricity so criminals do not dare to do their shananings. So what aspect of my shadow I am embracing, that I am racist and classist. I cannot understand how the rest of Mexico feels so offended that Trump is building a wall, when we ourselves are racist against fellow mexicans. No wonder the constellation of the collective has created a Wall, because we All have Walls in mexico, cultural walls, ethnic walls, economical walls. I am well aware that I have lots to develop in that department, but I would not be able to do inquiry into what is wrong with me, and my racists and classist tendencies if i was in denial, that is if i had a persona, that I am a nice and all accepting Mexican. That is the persona that my fellow upper class mexicans use, but our shadow is that we call ourselves mexicans if and only if we are with people of the same socio-economical class. this is just one example, of how deluded we all are, not only in mexico but pretty much everywhere. As Eckart Tolle has mentioned in his books, we are all insane, it is just that we have not become ware that we are insane.
JD - You live in "the Americas" - therefore you are an "American"
Slip into that suit of clothes for awhile! I am a born bred U.S. Citizen. I came to an awareness back in the 90eez. There is no country called "America". Face this reality individually and collectively, and the entire narrative of history changes and the lies rapidly are illuminated and exposed. Speech has been muddled and the discussion polluted, by the complete mis use of the words "America" and
"American" . I am a U.S. Citizen, and only because I live in a region of the "Americas", does that fact therefore make me an "American".
North America, Central America, South America!. All the inhabitants are "Americans"! People have been systematically and perpetually dumbed down! Had my country been properly named, it should have been called
"The United States of THE Americas". If Donald Trump had his head screwed on straight he might be crying out to " make the Americas great again".
What he should properly be saying is, of course, "make the United States great again". Start revealing in public speech to Mexicans, that they too are "Americans", and that action would stimulate all new awareness. Reveal to Canadians, that they are actually "Americans" , and the conversation must change". The ignorant discussion for at least 100 years, has deluded the Citizens of the United States, into thinking "they" are the only "Americans"! Fascinating that such a delusion has persisted, for so long! If we used our words properly, well, I think the human condition in the "Americas", would look differently.
Dave M i agree man. We have a Long way to go. Interesting point you raise. I think We should use that i Mexico, as We have the same classes. White Mexican, Brown Mexican, Native Mexican and Jewish living in Mexico. We should all be Mexicans in the Mexican Micro Cosmos. But We have generated a ser of groups Which are clearly excluding each other.
In a way it’s “classist” or “racist”, but not really, you are just realistic. True racism or classism is when you would readily dismiss someone on the basis of race or class alone, without considering them on their own individual merits. That’s true racism or classism. Simply being aware that there are many poor and violent Mexicans out in your streets that you need to guard against, that’s not racism or classism. And if that is, well then good luck when you “improve” those ”qualities” in yourself... you might end up dead lol
What a ridiculous statement
Thank you for sharing this video, and I really appreciate you sharing the link to the original vid🙏.
This cannot be stressed enough. Thank you for this upload
a good clip. I think Peterson is great for raising awareness of Jung's wisdom. I recently read archetypal dimensions of the psyche which is quite a heavy read but goes more into the integration of the shadow. Would be interested to hear Peterson's thoughts on integration of the anima / animus which Jung thought was the greatest challenge.
Greg S which book did you read?
Is this integration of anima related to reincarnation and past lives?
@@mrsirman2177 Maybe what he meant is to be acquainted with the animus or anima. Because before you can embrace your animus or anima you need to first accept your shadow. Embracing your animus and anima is difficult and according to Jung you cannot embrace your animus or anima unless you accept your shadow which is the first test of courage.
So much truth in this video. He literally explained my current workplace situation as well as my current mental emotional state.
Stop saying “literally” all the time.
@@JeffaHensley That bitterness of yours.. You should integrate your shadow as soon as possible my man
So powerful. !! Thank’s.
He is in a perfect background/lighting for this.
He's the man at the moment, ✊
It is hard to overstate Petersons value in today society. This man saved my life and so many others that he became the Top Lobster in my book.
Thank you again, Dr. Peterson.
Excellent clip! Very helpful! Thanks!
I feel very weird having done alot of this on my own having only found this material after so many
That's what makes JP special to me and he even mentioned it. People who listen to him already knew what he said that but couldn't put it into words. It ties in with Socrates' vision of learning as rediscovering what your soul already knew but memory had lost due to birth trauma.
Same here. Although I did get in trouble a lot lol. But I don’t give a fuck. The world will hear what I have to say and I don’t care who gets hurt
@@DreadNawght Reminds me of the George Orwell Quote from 1984, “The best books…”, Winston perceived, “are those that tell you what you know already.”
My understanding about the shadow is the shadow is an archetype about things that we don’t want to admit to ourselves like for instance our feminine and masculine of our personality. The persona (mask) is the "social me". The way we show ourselves in society when we are dealing with other people.
We all wear one to an extent cause even if u are completely honest in social groups being brutally honest to the point of angering others isn't exactly the way to go. U need to find a good way to be honest yet respectful.
First clear and concise J.P. video I can say that was informative to me.
Thank you dear Peterson for wisely advice
Fantastic explanation. This subject is wildly fascinating. Though I've always been drawn to the idea of shadow self, recent shifts of honesty, largely due to examining my resentments, have made me ever-so-aware of my need to integrate and understand these parts of me. It is an exciting place to come to after years of turning my shame inward...
I love how he keeps picking up his glass then putting it down again X-D
Jamel Jarvis That's classic Peterson.
"Genuine moral effort is a good substitute for psychotherapy."
The best practical approach to integrating your shadow is developing radical honesty. Yes, it has been working for me.
I'm Mason Morgan I had a six organ transplant in 03 I was eighteen months old
now i am seventeenI am the only one that made it from back then. I have a really short temper
but mostly survivor's guilt I never knew this this was gonna be part of the deal
I thought about killing my self more times than I can remember
the only reason I haven't put a hole in my head
I feel like I have to set a example to make up for my donor's death and every one else
I drag myself out of bed kicking and screaming every day I wake up
I'm here he isn't so I have no right to bitch and complain
as much as I do.
sorry this was kind long folks I just wanted to get this off
my chest
You survived so you could be yourself and seek happiness. You are no less human for having received a second chance, and have every right to be sad, happy, lazy, get a job you are passionate about, and so on. Think about this: the people you got the organs from. It was their turn to go. Your turn to go will also come one day. They would have left anyway. They did not die so you could get the organs. They died because it was, sadly, their turn to go. Go on and live like any normal person. Good days, bad days. Just regular stuff.
Astrology and numerology says alot.
This cystem sucks, puberty isnt honour or understood, cookie cutter irrelevant school is evil
Awaken by david icke.
Get a cheap rv and live like a king at a cheap park somewhere idk.
How do our congress live off 16k a month? Where the press?
Mason morgan jeez mason don’t you know that man wasn’t Jesus - he didn’t die to save you. He was dying and in passing he gave you a gift. In so doing he probably redeemed himself. So in fact you did him a favour by being there for him - you gave him redemption, the greatest gift of all.
The Hopi tribe (and others) believe that if you save a mans life you are responsible for him thereafter. Not the other way round.
The universe is a strange place Mason. You need to open your mind to see how it really works. You have the time to do it, just remember you gave your donor the greatest gift of all- when you were an infant for god’s sake. There may be even more greatness in you.
Keep the faith man.
I have my reservations about JP, but this video is really brilliant. Go JP!
If I may ask, what are your reservations and why? I personally do not but have always wanted to understand the reasoning behind those few who don't...
@@Fanny.Cradock There is a lot of controversy around Peterson--I don't need to tell you that. He says many things that can be construed as misogynist or racist, or, to put it the other way, as patriarchal and white supremacist. I am not damning every word he says. I am saying that despite his Jungian credentials he seems naive about his own 'shadow', as it is called in the field. No, I can't give you any examples now--it has been some time since I've read or listened to JP and i don't have the examples to hand. But if you are curious about people's reservations, you can find plenty of articulate criticism out there I am sure. Not all the critics are over-the-top PC brigadiers. I don't believe I am, or at least I get myself into trouble with the PC brigade a lot.... Anyway--I'm watching this video again: persona in Jung isn't just being nice. JP is wrong here. Machos just have a different persona to the beta males. Still some good stuff here.
Took years before I could come back to his lecture and clearly understand parts so I can can conceptualize the idea expressed. Kind of satisfying.
So much respect for this man
If you’re in a 12 step recovery program like AA or NA, what Peterson is describing here is the 4th step. Very important to understand the psychological implications of the 4th step.
I'm in a 12step NA programme and you're absolutely right
"If you watch that bitterness it produces fantasies that can be unbelievably dark." Yes I have been having revenge fantasies against my parents and stepparents for as long as I can remember (since early childhood). Just recently became fully (or at least semi-fully) conscious of those fantasies. Sick sh!t
Love the piece. I often see choosing the military after Vietnam is like a Rite of Passage. That people choose on purpose it comes with its own escape Claus.. which turns into PTSD. You can say you took the job but you will have to face why eventually. Forgiveness seems to be a good way to integrate that as an experience. If the Persona is the personality and the soul is infinite then we are definitely teaching ourselves two different Rites of Passage is what we prefer and sometimes it takes many lifetimes to understand soft and Squishy densities of life are as okay as the other opposite. But we do seem to cover the gamut through a lifetime. Midlife crisis turns into radical honesty and without taking any of it personal it's just a purging acceptance of who we are today. Integrated
Thanks for the words of wisdom
“ Let go of your Earthly Tether and enter the VOID “ - Zahir
From season 3 of ( Legends of Korra)
I resent the donut.
So I eat the donut.
The donut is gone.
But my resentment stays.
So I resent the donut...
So I eat another...
Another donut is gone.
But my resentment stays.
So...
@BrazilianFlow I'm trying to get on your level!
@BrazilianFlow Might be the recipe for world peace there. Will embrace the donut!
the donut or torus is the fractal fabric of everything and nothing jesus and bhudda its the only science of implosion and explosion creation and destruction, rodin’s math explains the 3 6 9 better than tesla ever could , ken wheeler explains where science is perverted non sensical bullshit and everything is electromagnetic including gravity we are all connected in the aether faster than speed of light instantaneous consciousness , our universe is die electric a torus just like a magnet with electric filings on a piece of paper, our bodies are the same torus with an electromagnetic field from the heart measurable to 30 feet in diameter, the earth is the same as is everything even to plancks length the same fractal pattern of donuts with infinitely small hole at centre where everything is created and destroyed NOW there is no past or future , we are consciousness here to experience duality or indivi’duality’ from ONE infinite consciousness infinite possibilities we are gods and god here to experience and create heaven and hell while we “LIVE or EVIL” ... not the deception of after we die ...we are eternal gods and god we all make our own religions own creation change yourself you change the world everything appears differently. we are the ripple of an infinite sea of consciousness when infinite sound waves cancel each other to complete silence we are the chaos that makes music the tiny imbalance outside of that source of infinite frequency that we connect to instantaneously together at the center of a donut 2 vortices spinning in and out infinitely fast infinitely slow infinitely large and small time and no time
we are the donut
you can hate it or love it consume it or ignore it create it or destroy it
do all these things become the donut you were meant to be NOW
Love this thread 😭🙏🏼❤️
The donut is your shadow, or the resentment of it?
In alignment with this, I have worked a lot on my shadow, I enjoy it now.
This was very interesting and helpful...thank you
What if you love something passionately? How is it related to your shadow? As far as I know, you project on other people your resentment and your desires.
It’s a little late, but can you be more specific?
Oh my God. I worked with psychopathic men..I didn’t speak up enough. I will now. Do not let people put you in the grave and torment you. Speak up and let it out.
...even better... don't let people pull you into their grave...
Thanks Jordan thinking thinking thinking and bringing that thinking to a place of peaceful commitment to having a good life worthy enough to contribute to others and holding personal accountability for how it goes and willing to share some of that accountability with others when it can be given as a gift.
Well now, I was meant to hear THIS today.
In The swedish bible "meek" is "humble"
Sounds much more accurate.
Sounds legit
Saliga äro de ödmjuka, ty de skall ärva jorden. "blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth"
In the Aramaic Hebrew it means something like a powerful beast like a horse,
that can be destructive and yet obeys his master. that does fit as being meek.
I believe Jordan Peterson uses it quite well.
This is also one of the gifts of the Ruach sighted in scripture.
Scriptures also mentions being a protector of those that need it.
This is an example of when the meek shows strength.
Tf??? Because Swedish would have been the more likely and obvious translation of the fucking bible.... To a slave moralist. Gross
I'm gonna incorporate my shadow and say that quite a few people in the comments missed the point. Only dangerous people can be good people. Weak, beta people aren't good people because they don't or can't or won't do what is necessary. Meek doesn't mean innocent. JP wasn't talking about animals or plants and neither was the author who wrote that scripture. Strong's concordance defines the Greek word "praeis" roughly as "demonstrating power without undue harshness." Just like Dr. Peterson says: listen to people you don't agree with; they might know something you don't. Happy hunting.
Thank you.
He makes so much sense, think...
*Shadow has entered the chat* 👤
😂
Creepy dungeon lighting perfect for shadow side topic
Especially for a demon
Thank you!
I really like this video.
The alter ego to protect the beautiful but delicate parts of the personality. Like an armour?
Precisely
Title should be "the utility of shadow work". Doesn't say how.
Yes, you're right - although it is briefly mooted. It's an interesting omission. I guess we should infer that it's mostly a mental exercise of extreme introspection.
He does. "Contemplate and consider your resentment and notice what it says."
@@rikardstevvon3618 "...and then you have to decide what it is that you need to do in order to /remove/ from yourself that bitterness, and that usually means that there's something that you have to say. And then you /have/ to say it because your soul depends on it."
Your shadow itself teaches you how to integrate it. Look inside
@@kasperm.r.guldberg7354 4.33 onward has fantastic advise about integrating your shadow, your shadow is hidden it requires introspection too find it .
I've been thinking of this a lot lately
You're great, thanks ⭐
i would love to ask jordan peterson, what should i do with my father im 25 years old and i would love to just take life by the balls without his permission he raised me pretty well, why does he act like im a child when he even aknoledges that im capable, even if its not jorda i would like to hear someones opinion, this video made me realize my persona is mainly to keep Him happy but inside im a diferent person that he sees
It was the same with me. I took same psychoanalytic seanses last year and realesed my anger, anxiety which had been kept since my early childhood. I think you had better find a good psychoanalyst who knows reichan, jungian psychology well. Now I rarely act like a child and my family also have started to see me as a mature person.
If he could be the angel that sits on my right shoulder and whispers truth in my ear when that little red devil is on the other shoulder, I would be alright.
Learn to listen to the Holy Spirit, He will do you good.
@@zzzzz4203 It was my attempt at humor 😬
@@lokisfriend I figured it wasn't literal. Later gator...
Wow just what I needed today, I'm so happy to have found this resource thank you.
My saying is be who you are everyone else is taken. Lol
I’m glad I got this shadow aspect down!!!
Horror and moral terror are your friends if not thay are enemies to fear 'Apocalypse now'
Damn this was tough to hear... Thanks Jordan.
That means that you needed to hear it. our societies, mainly through primary education, are cultivating a generation of beta males through indoctrination and conformity. They do this because betas are more obedient and easier to control... until some of them manifest their shadows into antisocial monsters.
Like Jordan suggests, unflinching radical honesty toward the self and toward others is the path to walk if you want to cultivate and control your shadow.
@John Daedalus kids
@John Daedalus young men who grew up without fathers are oblivious to many things that seem like common sense
@John Daedalus I think he said by being a mean son of a bitch is how you fix things that don't go your way. Problems just get the hell out of your way if you have the persona of a bully. He is teaching his students to be a bigger monster than the dragon in order to slay it. I just hope that no naive person took it literally and go and kill somebody. Watch out Satan -- you have competition.
@John Daedalus Listen to him again and again and closely. He said don't be a nice guy. A nice guy is a beta male. A nice guy appears to be moral. Morality is a disguise for cowardice. If you are a nice guy then you are a coward. Society trains you to be a nice guy. Your true self is not a nice guy. Being a nice guy is just taking on a persona, a mask for public consumption, not your true self. You need to discover and develop your true self which is dark and dangerous. 5:18 "It's really useful to be dangerous". You develop your true self by being resentful, in other word, angry. That will take you out of your nice guy persona. He also indicates that nice guys are losers whom women tend to reject. Young men are drawn to him because they think he can help them with women. Young impressionable men are drawn to him like a prophet. The Truly dangerous person here is Peterson. Watch out civilized world.
"your resentment will also tell you what you have to say" 😇
You just saved my life
When the meek inherits the earth, who will step forward to claim it?
Those who inherited it. Anything else would be false humility or the like.
jung was a clever fella
thank you 👍
More please!
i tried 20 courses and energy enhancement meditation by swami satchidanand (student of satchidananda) offerred the strongest shadow finding and transmuting techniques.
Interesting! I have started my deepest shadow work trough Vipassana meditation.
@Ryan Potter : tried ? Not worked huh ? No wonder - Its an improvement job ...
The one that needs to be improved is doing the improvement..
Accept#integrate "shadow" LoL !
Its already You !
What is there to integrate except some spychologist™ colossal construct of thoughts.•°
Meek-Teachable...? Willing to learn & change if in error?
thanks
I hope you are feeling better Jordan.