djay Pro 5 Review - World's BEST Beatgrids + New Stems & FX
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- čas přidán 3. 08. 2024
- We put djay Pro 5 (for Mac, iPhone & iPad) through the ultimate beatgrid test, plus we demo its new improved stems and effects, in this djay Pro 5 review.
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0:00 Intro
0:48 Fluid Beatgrids
4:08 Neural Mix v2
8:02 Crossfader Fusion
16:33 What we think
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0:00 Intro
0:48 Fluid Beatgrid
4:08 Stems demo
8:02 Crossfader Fusion
16:33 What we think
Where do I find that song? Teary eyes -Sun hill.Cant find it anywhere
The stems seperation is on point and that will allow me another level of creative possibilities
Finally proper beatgrids....someone has finally done it
They have. Trust me, it is a gamechanger.
As a long suffering Traktor Pro user DJing funk/soul and rock, those beatgrids literally blew my mind 🤯🤯
@@bryan753 I know mate. I switched from Traktor 3 months ago. Was sad to leave but look what has replaced…. Unbelievably good is djay pro. I have Mixon 8 pro controller and love it. Very easy to map too..
@@jazzyjase123 I'm looking to switch. What do you think of the sound quality in Algoriddim? Compared to Traktor I mean.
@@thekennyfiesta I think it’s really good. Algoriddim will be dropping more good news soon.
Thank you for your comprehensive review, Phil! Very resourceful, as always. Djay is my go-to software, and this update very much accelerates it!
We thought djay's loyal users would be happy with this.
Just outstanding. I switched from Traktor 3 months ago and I am so pleased I did. I have the Mixon 8 and with djay pro it’s just a killer combo.
Great combo
This is what I've been waiting for! The Vocal separation sounds better than Serato. They have really raised the bar with this one. I'm going to really be testing this out this weekend.
Yeah, they've done an excellent job.
Sounds the same to me.
Strongly disagree sounded like a diy acapella compared to Serato. Of course a song with a lot of instruments it’s difficult to get such a clean accapella.
awesome, didn't realize the new version was out! the stems sound SO MUCH BETTER, can't wait to play with it!!!
They do indeed
Algoriddim, stepping up to be the most advanced DJ software . Can’t wait to get a Mixon 8 pro. I’ve been using this since 2012. This new update, is great.
We love the Mixon 8 Pro, it's a great controller.
@@digitaldjtips happy to hear that.
Thanks for this review!
My pleasure!
Thank You Sir, Proper Review as always!!!
Glad to help
And those X-fade transition fx are absolutely genius!
They seem to be hitting well with people, maybe I am a bit of a killjoy!
Sick. You’re absolutely right about the hardware partnerships. I would have loved to use a DJ 707m with this.
Let's hope it's something they work on more.
I am blown away with the new functions.
Glad you're enjoying them.
🤩🎉 NOWAY!! 🎉🤩
First track on the stems created a chillout/ambient track, flipping brillliant.
Excellent!
Great video Phil, I just updated my devices today, MacOS, iPad and iPhone, thanks for the breakdown, I think for what I do I might be able to ditch Serato with this
Glad it was helpful!
Just tried it out. The beat grids are amazing. It maps out old rock and disco tunes like it’s nothing.
The stems are pretty good too now. Easily on par with Serato, and the vocal separation is better.
Their team did a fantastic job on this update.
We agree - those best grids!!
I am a serato dj user. But I prefer using this when it comes to stems. This is my other option software to practice. When version 5 came out It blew me away. The best part was my library automatically loaded from my iPad library
Good to hear!
I don’t play that often but had some gigs recently so upgraded to the latest version of djay pro. This new release is amazing! I am still happy I’ve stuck with djay pro from the beginning!
Glad to hear that!
Always up to date Phil. Good job ! Keep going.
The update is really great in my opinion but there is a but ….
As soon as you update you won’t be able to use stems with tidal streaming songs anymore. There is a popup which says so when you try to…
Well, you told us so in october …. and you were right…
It would be great it would have been poped up or mentioned before the updating process
May be they did and I didn’t see it, perhaps you know?
That's just how it is unfortunately, Tidal is not licensed to let you use stems any more.
I love djay
Actually Phil, DJ pro is backed up into the iCloud, so pretty much is on every single Mac device, and your apple music playlist will be on every single Apple device as well.
No beatgrids though
@@digitaldjtips I don’t think that’s going to happen inside of Apple Music, just what DJay Pro remembers in its software from Apple Music. But we’ll see what the future holds. Remember, Apple is a creator of logic and GarageBand, so then they eventually take this company over fully, I’m sure they’ll put a lot more into it than what we see.
Reloop has done it! This software along with the Mixon 8 Pro has sold me on Reloop!
It's definitely a good combination.
I am so excited, I need to get back in the game!
Shout out to Algoriddim and digitaldjtips, sup Phil
Have fun getting back into the game!
This software continues to innovate, and is miles ahead of the competition with Apple products. Been a user since 2016.
You are right!
Drum machine is very good in this djay,i use it all time
I’m seriously impressed with the update to the quality of the stems
I just updated and tried it… im really excited about this update, so here is my opinion/rant
For now, this is the only software I’ve been using heavily because it’s the most accessible to me.
Originally the djay software was the cheapest and most professional software I had available to me without a laptop.
I got right to my stem mixing, and immediately heard a difference in the quality. There are less artifacts, a lot less and it makes mixing with stems on algorithms amazing!
The beat grids I’m loving so far, no complaints there… i wish I had more to say but I rely on the waveforms as a visual aid
I like the new colors on the waveform too, they may be pretty generic but they’re a step up in quality forsure. I don’t know why that is important to me, but it is.
Well, us DJs spend a lot of time looking at them so it's cool that they're better.
That smooth tempo addition is crazy useful!
It really is!
Muito bom! Um abraço do Brasil
I used Djay Pro for ages for Weddings as it’s miles ahead of all the other dj software. Finding tracks is easy, no major bugs, sorting is good and it can mix itself properly if you need to duck away for a minute
Sounds like you're a happy customer!
I really like that❤❤❤❤❤
Great review Phil, I like that you've always given Djay Pro AI some love as it's often ignored on other DJ sites. I still think its UI is head and shoulders above the likes of Rekordbox and it's an absolute joy to use on Mac and iOS. As others have mentioned, just wish it was more integrated with a wider range of hardware. I have a FLX-4 but may have to save my pennies to buy a Mixon 8 as am I right in saying Djay Pro is very well integrated?
It is indeed well integrated with the Mixon 8 Pro
Thanks Phil! Great review as always! I have used djay pro for years, and I concur, it has been tough seeing the STEMS on alot of other software, and I forced myself back on Serato since the STEMs and echo out effects are great, but my heart is always with Djay Pro and it didn't seem to get a lot of love due to RB, Virtual DJ and Serato. Lastly, it just doesn't work with a lot of controllers as you mentioned, unless you MIDI map them, which can be challenging at times, you just want things to be plug and play. Virtual DJ is amazing at that since it works with everything, I just wish DJay Pro would take that cue and be open since there are some controllers I would love to get and ones on the shelf that I would use if they are Djay Pro compatible. My 2 cents!
They need new management if they want to compete with serato, virtual dj or recordbox
We know where you're coming from here.
I feel you bro
wow. thanks for mentioning the beat grid capability Phill. Tested with LF System - Afraid To Feel. It works... Too bad Stems don't work with apple music
That is a good test track!
I’m looking forward to trying this out.
In all honesty, the only people who care about the quality of stems or FX etc. are DJ’s and musos like us. Everybody else is too busy having a good time and doesn’t give a rat’s arse if there’s a bit of a bass artefact on the drum track!
Not so sure that is true, v1 stems do sound very ropey nowadays
Some great new features there, I really like the new cross-fader options especially the vocal sustain/cut and tempo match. But what are DJs going to do by way of theatrical performance if there are no EQ knobs that need twiddling during transitions?
Pretend to twiddle 'em! 😉
Throw cakes...duh 😆
I had to resubscribe at $29.99! Impressive!
Sounds like a bargain
Ground breaking features are great, but pros need and expect essential 'quality of life' stuff. Preferences and media library syncing across devices through cloud storage, more advanced tagging system, better library organisation.
This is what we've been saying, and hopefully it's not an either/or and Algoriddim will work in these areas too.
Thanks for the video, Do you think that Serato will come soon with the Fluid Beatgrid fonction ? Most of my music come from old time (motown, Soul, Disco) and that is such a important feature for me. Thanks for the time to answer.
In short, no. However it does have flexible grids and so works quite well anyway if you correct such music manually.
Oh, thank you for this. I didn't know there an update out! I cant 'wait to mess with it this weekend!
Hope you enjoy it!
Been waiting for this in Serato. They can extract stems like a AI magician but can seem to find a simple tempo change 😂 Thanks Djay Pro for showing them how it’s done
Let's hope they take the cue and go for it
Anyone remember m-audio dj software? They had crossfader effects too (in a much simplier way)... 15 years ago!
You mean Torq? Yup we remember that!
Wow Phil, I’m going to try this with French Kiss (Lil’ Louis)
Another good choice to test it!
Elastic grids ftw! 🕺
These are even better than manual elastic grids.
@@digitaldjtips Certainly. That's what I meant. Great to see this move forward. Is in Traktor's roadmap too.
Hey Phil, with that Mixon 8 Pro I’d there a way you can access the different cross fader effects from the controller
We haven't had time to check - there may be a way to map it.
17:04 denon should just outright buy DJ Pro and integrate it into their latest SC7000 😈. Or just partner with them exclusively.
That is an interesting suggestion!
Most likely, Apple will buy them. And probably make a software, called DJayPlay, for touchscreen media players.
Neat! Is Luke still using his phone to play out???
He is indeed
You talk about the pumppy feeling of the vox. But for this section it would be sidechain so there is space for the kick/bass where in a breakdown it would be as “pumppy”. I know you know this but for those who don’t may now understand
Good point but I mean more the kind of “cassette tape” audio quality
Yo Phil how good is it beatgridding old skool Reggae and Funk?
The Stems sound awesome. What kind of CPU power do you need though, example Virtual DJ needs a NASA Mainframe?
Any M Mac or reasonably modern iPad/iPhone. And yes grids will be fine with old reggae and funk
Amazing. Does Djay support video mixing?
Yes
i just wish the vocal stems could be cleaner. imho, it’s not even close to hand seperated stems but their progress with the neural mixing system is promising. the beat matching is very impressive too.
The crossfader fusion is really good. Better than virtual dj. Stems seem just as good as virtual dj but much faster to process. The beatgrid is the best in the industry now. If these features were available on pc I would buy the software today. I suspect before it’s released on pc other dj software would have already implemented the same features. I love the innovation but I hate the apple first policy. They are loosing money with that strategy.
I like the new improvements, but I still like VDJs separation especially for being able to toggle the hi-hats. Regardless, developers are creating new pavement for DJs to drive on.
C'mon NI's Traktor, this is how beat grids should be. Will have to switch software if they don't come up with something new soon.
Can't see it happening any time soon, in all honesty
so how do you use this? can you use it with a serato mixer? do you just need the timecode vinyl and you're good to go? are the stems as good as serato?
I love DJAY PRO was funny when my DJAY PRO AI disappeared off my MAC and this new version appeared! killa!
Enjoy using it!
This is insane for someone who play mostly old funk, Motown and soul music.
My main question Phil is, with my Rane One if I play in a pro even if I will have a lost of audio quality if I use that software vs Serato Dj Pro ? Or what will I or the audience will lose ? thanks so much for all you important content you always let us know about it.
Most important thing is if the Rane One has been properly mapped to djay Pro and I am not sure about that - check their site.
Dj funk Kik, I have been using Djay Pro since 2020. I have a Rane One and it maps automatically. Although I mix mainly house and Disco, I do run some funk and it always sounds great. I would suggest you downloading it in your laptop and try it out. You won’t be disappointed. @djerniefromjersey
I need to try to analyse a salsa track to see the results, but this looks promising
Interesting to hear your results.
Fluid Beatgrid is now available in the Windows version too! No Neural Mix 2.0 yet though.
Great stuff!
WOWWAWIEWA 👍 Would the DJPro 5 work on the XDJ XZ?
In theory, yes you could map it (not the screen though).
omg the bass separation and melody is very good. Almost on par with demucs HT
Probably better
@@digitaldjtips Yes better than Demucs 4, and faster just incredible
I has that on the Android phone version as well mate
Yup they just released it
Blows Serato out the water
The stem separation is absolutely phenomenal, and the improvement is mental ❤... BUT, I'm sure they are gonna fix this, but there are a lot of new bugs that have come with it that a few people, including myself, have had the misfortune of running into. Mainly to do with fx processing, there is no longer a wet dry option, and now it just changes effect volume, also no longer shows on screen which effect is changing, and the new beat grid isn't exactly perfect, because it runs this new automatic way of doing things, this results in the software doing it's own thing, and sometimes it will just automatically increase or decrease tempo of the next song or the one cutrently playing, it aint perfect sadly. So I think there should be a choice to make beat griding manual or automatic, depending on preference.
Another new bug is that sometimes the beat sync will randomly turn off without prompt, not ideal to have to go back and fourth with it constantly 😕
But when these issues are fixed, this new software will be unstoppable ❤❤❤
Thanks for the feedback here, I know Algoriddim reads these comments and I am sure they'll be listening and working on fixes for things that aren't quite right.
@digitaldjtips oh I'm sure, they have been so reliable up until this point and they know what they are doing.... just hope they fix it before Sunday cos that's when the next show is 😄
I'd like to see Serato do that 😂😂
Maybe it will one day
whats the mapping support for controllers like? How does this app compare to VDJ, who provide the best stems integration. Would be good to see a comparison
Dan, this is my everyday software, been using it for the last 10 years as their dedication to accessibility/screen reader support for us blindies is second to none!
If you wanted to have a play around some time you're welcome to come round and have a look at my copy.
MIDI mapping is pretty straightforward and the stems are now much improved over VDJ, but feel free to bring VDJ over and we can run some comparisons in my studio to see how they sound... Stu.
djay is making a big push, seeing them on all the channels. They had to nail the gridding, the system they sell with this (the mixer you plug in) has no jogs so you can not adjust live really. It was less fun than playing with the more "hands on" systems. It's about time for DJ software to evolve. It has been basically the same (with some QOL improvements and slight additions (stems, more efx). It has basically been the same though. Think of what has been happening to the power of computers and tech in that same time. Compare the growth in video games during that time.
It shows how archaic other DJ platforms are starting to look under the hood
True, starting to get that "dinosaur" feel. They should be careful that label, hopefully this will light a fire under them. djay was clever with this. Most clubs festivals will have a V10 or an A9, both which have the multi io and the A9 has bluetooth. You can use it straight from the phone to the mixer. That opens up a limitless realm of software possibilities. Just make sure that your program/ app is mapped really well the basic club set up (and the few variations you see). Lots of possibility there.@@digitaldjtips
Curious on the beatgrid. Would it work for mashups if the track that is the master, with a tempo change for another track to follow the tempo change if it’s sync’d?
Yes it would
Question: on the previous version it was possible to select “Automatic” for crossfade fx when used with Automix, so each song has a new random fx when transitioning to the next song. Is that possible on this version ?or do your have to select just one crossfade effect?
I do not know the answer to that! Maybe ask Algoriddim support (and come back and tell us when you know, we'd appreciate that).
I did not see any post fader options in the crossfader fusion. Virtual dj has post fader.
Got my update on engine dj and djay pro ai
Double fun!
I'm using Rekordbox and an 2015 i7 16gb ram MacBook pro... Rekordbox with stems just uses so much cpu ,sound cuts out and Mac crashes sometimes. Tried djay pro and I love it. I might have to switch or get a newer mac .
Was it smoother?
Algorithm by miles and stems also sound way better.
Rekordbox has the worst sounding stems
Just an FYI, Bells of NY - House 2 House Mix is available on Traxsource.
Thanks for that!
2:53 In Serato I would put a manual down beat marker at the start of every bar, but having the software do that is amazing off course.
Now what would this software do if you would have pressed sync before the tempo slows? Would sync continue to follow the songs tempo or would it keep the song synced to the previous faster tempo?
All synced decks follow the tempo of the master deck.
@@digitaldjtips still unclear. If in Serato I put a downbeat marker on ever bar such that the song's beat grid follows the song's tempo, let's say from 120 bpm down to 100 bpm, then if I press sync at the 120 bpm section, Serato's sync will speed up the master song to keep it tightly locked to 120 bpm. So rather then that the master sync also slows down to 100 bpm, it just keeps everything locked to 120 bpm, which I don't want. I want that all other songs slow down to 100 bpm as well
Did I see you have different annotations for key (mixed in key?) than the usual Djay ones for the track key? How did you achieve this if so?
It's in the settings I believe, not looked for a while!
Where do the beatgrids get saved to? Can I analyze my migration in djay and then use them in serato?
No, you can only use them in djay, there is no common standard for sharing beatgrid information unfortunately.
Please help! Since the update, the BPM of a lot of songs are changing during the song and the same happens when I mix it with a other track with sync turned on. As like Djay Pro is constantly analyzing it and the mixed track is suddenly played on a slower BPM, than the tempo was via sync. Many thanks in advance guys
What you're describing is how it is meant to behave I think. Unless you're playing with tracks with big BPM changes, this wouldn't be noticeable to the audience. The overall DJ set BPM will always follow whichever deck is set to the master, which would normally be the first of the two tracks (ie the one you are mixing out of) so you may want to check this.
So what reccommendation for an open format DJ as far as hardware goes? Want plug in play Thanks in advance
Mixon 8 Pro
Is there any way I could remap my XDJ-RX to work with that, or would I have to buy Reloop gear for that?
No, remapping is possible and actually quite easy with this software
I updated and did not have any of the Neutral Mix crossfader effects, even with the Pro subscription. 😥
the same here... 🇨🇱
Just be patient, maybe it hasn't rolled out to you yet.
@@digitaldjtips Not on Mac, just iOS (I pad?)
Did they remove Vocal Cut from the crossfader FX? Only have Vocal Sustain, Harmonic Sustain, and Drum Swap.
Not that I know of, it is on ours
yeah i use vdj and every time i record a mix the beatgrid drifts in and out of phase throughout the mix the first few times i play it back using vdj but it always seems too repair itself...
that's good to know!
TIDAL IS PROBABLY NOT DOING STEMS RIGHT? I’M NOT OPPOSED TO STREAMING. WHAT STREAMING PLATFORM DO YOU RECOMMEND THAT WOULD BE AVAILBLE TO USE STEMS? ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS -WHAT KIND OF DJ CONVERSION possibilities ARE AVAILABLE FOR SOFTWARE INTEGRATION?
All of the others in DJ software currently still work with stems, but maybe not for long as it is the record labels, not Tidal, that put a stop to it. Look at Lexicon DJ for library conversion between software apps.
@@digitaldjtips Thanks for the info! Would Lexicon transfer cue points to Rekordbox? It almost seems like I’m forced to use Rekordbox for music file formatting to use some of the night club flagship decks and all in one systems. Not having stems isn’t a deal breaker for me, but I got used to mixing with them in addition to the EQ quite nice of a balancing act. I would really only like to use one streaming service, I understand beatport offers streaming as well as stem use. What is the sound quality in comparison to Tidal?
I am curious so could you mix a old disco record for the 70s with a quantised track?
Yes, that's the idea, it works really well.
damb so many possibility now
Yes!
I'm thinking of getting two control vinyls for djay pro and using it for a while instead of serato to see how it goes. Can anyone tell me if there are mapping or other problems with the Rane Seventy mixer or if everything is ok?
It's just DVS so in that respect it will work fine
Does the software save the beat grid info to the file so it would be picked up say to prime 4 when using
No, it is only for djay
@@digitaldjtipsthat is incredibly disappointing. So I can’t analyze my entire library and then use the now improved beatgrids in serato?
The subscription service is what kills this software. Great tech but trapped behind a pay wall. After subscribing to various DJ pooles the last thing I want to do is keep paying for a software. Charge for plugins not the software. Would be a great time to do a stems comparison with competitors.
Definitely a great time for a stems comparison! There is a free version of this software of course, so in effect you are only paying for the "good bits" if you choose to subscribe.
Hi phil, is hercules inpulse 500 compatible with this app? thank you !
Probably, if not it could be mapped.
hello i have a issue with mine, its asked to plug a sound card to my Mac , do you know how I can use djay without that ? would be really helpful thanks
Yes, you can use the software without external sound cards.
Does it work with Rane Four
I’m gonna try this software. Can someone recommend a controller to use with my iPad please? I don’t mind spending a bit of money but am confused with having to map a controller not recommended by apple. Any help appreciated 👍🏻👍🏻
Mixon 8 Pro
Rekordbox does habe something similar forget what it’s called but it does the same thing like flexible beat grid!
Yeah it is called dynamic beat grids but it is nowhere near as good
I find rekordbox's gridding a bit inconsistent even with simple beat grids on. I have grids on multiple tracks which the BPM drifts slightly...but I know the tempo should be staying in one place all the way.
@@kuyaChrischan yeah I get that it’s like it always moves .2 in either direction
Hi Phil. I still cannot arrange my songs in my playlist. I’m using windows PC. How can I arrange my songs in my playlists? Thanks in advance
If you're trying to do it in streaming, I do not believe it is possible.
Could you please post a step-by-step tutorial on the following for Rekordbox:
I have a track where the beatgrid changes about halfway through. I DON'T NEED TO ADJUST THE BEATGRID FOR THE WHOLE SONG. It's already on the grid. There's a half-bar thing that changes the grid about halfway through the track and throws it off the grid.
How do I adjust the grid from where the track changes halfway through so that it lines up properly from that point on, while not changing the grid on the first half of the track?
Can't find any tutorials on this.
Thanks
You cannot do this, but it shouldn’t matter as long as you are aware of it
@@digitaldjtips No, I believe there is a way to do this.
Good morning can this software work with my Pioneer Rev7 and how ?
In theory but not perfectly
What is the best windows laptop for Algoriddim dj pro?
Nothing special about Djay Pro, just a modern laptop that suits their minimum requirements would be fine.
@digitaldjtips do u perfer windows or Mac?
Hello, I'm Mario from Argentina, could you tell me the characteristics of your macbook because I need to buy a new one and I see that your macbook works very well, could you give me the characteristics if it is a macbook air or a macbookpro, thank you
Macbook Air M1
@@digitaldjtipsHello, is it 8 or 16 of ram memory?
Traktor needs to hurry up and catch up!
We hope they do but only a fool would hold their breath on this sadly.
Will Serato and Engine be doing anything similar in the future?
We don't know!
Thanks for the reply 👍🏻
In some cases DJay stems sound better and in some cases you can hear other instruments bleeding thru, but the way you can control stems with just knobs on your mixer is so cool and useful, I can't believe Serato hasn't done so.
BTW Serato crates system is not perfect but still better than in DJay
Thanks for sharing. Serato could do with a cloud solution too, in our view.
I grüß it is Great with the mixon 8 ?
Yes, it is indeed.