CBA quoted me $1,000/yr for the SR+ I guess insurance prices will drop further when the benefits of autopilot are included in safety statistics. Tesla insurance is coming too.
Model 3 build quality is garbage. I've had mine back in the garage 4 times in 2 years for a total of 5 weeks. I'm 100% dumping it before my standard warranty expires.
I own an 2017 Ioniq. It is fantastic. It is charging fast and with the good charging infrastructure near where I live, no problem to travel far away. I still like it after 2.5 years and 92000 km (and no battery degradation visible so far).
I just got bought 2016 Ioniq Electric with 200,000 km on the clock. Battery SoH is 98.2%. (192kkm of AC charging only). It's so much better than the ten year old LEAF I had for 8 years that I'm almost glad that died in a flood at high tide. DC charging is next level in the Ioniq! @@josephjohn907
You didn’t talk about autopilot, the sound system in the Tesla is amazing, Dog mode, Sentry mode, the fact that it updates every month adding features, and it has the best safety of the three cars tested... well of ANY car tested...
He said base model = 50kWh battery. So AP on this M3 is additional. Even the sat nav ( no satellite view) and radio ( no spotify) are missing, also with some protective carpets. But the biggest : " just" 100 kW charging peak power. For all those specs you need the 75kWh battery. But anyway still the fastest on every section of speed : 0-100, topspeed , charging speed and travelling speed. Oh , the Over the air updates, well : no competition I believe. Car gets better in time
@@MAGApepe as a maga supporter you should be all about coal rolling. EVs are for liberal snowflakes. Don't you know that? But for a red hat, it is perfectly logic to support a government doing everything to destroy the environment and deny climate change, and yet support a company whose official mission is to try to preserve the environment and fight human pollution causing climate change
I’m not sure why he mentioned not once but twice that the supercharger network costs money, when comparing the other two vehicles, it almost implies that the other two vehicles have access to free charging? He doesn’t mention that the Nissan and Hyundai also requires fees for charging, odd to make this statement on a comparison of three vehicles and not mention fees for the others. Just an observation. I’d forgotten about the Ionic ev, now would take a serious look at one as a second ev to my model 3.
He just made the point while being very complimentary about the Tesla Superchargers that they do cost. The other 2 cars had to use the slower NRMA chargers which are free to members and just about everyone in NSW is a member.
Why do you keep saying you have to pay to charge the Tesla. You have to pay to charge them all...right? Free supercharging for other Tesla’s(when Tesla is including that) isn’t part of the comparison or mentioned. Just the fact you have to pay to charge the 3. Very odd!
Kris Cruickshank NRMA chargers are free to use for NRMA members and just about everyone in NSW is a member. Of course The M3 can also use NRMA chargers. He was just commenting that there is a cost to use the faster Superchargers.
Living in the USA, we went with the Standard Range Plus Model 3 with Autopilot. Bought March 26, we have 12,328 mi (19,725 km) with +90% using Autopilot, my co-pilot. The charging range matches my wife and her dogs biology range. Sleeping at a camping park, we start the next day will a full charge to drive 3 hours and then stop every 2 hours for a charge and biology break.
@John W I got my car a month ago, the paint is perfect I do detailing. As far as noise I'm coming from a gas car and it is wayyy quieter than anything I've had ... Ever
Not a great review. No mention that the Tesla Model 3 has full self driving hardware which will enable it to drive without humans on board, pick your kids up from school or ride share autonomously making you money while you sleep. The Tesla tested here has 211kw
And that's why the minimalistic interior. In " nearby future" robotaxi like Tesla calls it will pick you up and get you to work, city, shopping mall. Drop you off and will drive to someone else. So les ppl will own a car. That's the vision from Tesla and the reason behind " just a big tablet". Also the updates over the air allows tesla to update / modify the car controls. Years ahead
When we purchased our EV, we went with the largest battery pack available. Larger equals more mileage between charges. The SuperCharging network was another factor in our purchase. There is no place that we can not go to with our TESLA. In five to ten years the car will still be up to date with all of the Wifi updates. To get that from the other EV manufactures, you will have to buy a new car. Think about that. The premium car makers are years behind TESLA. Their best mileage on their battery packs today are not even better than the first generation TESLA battery packs made in 2012.
Apart from them being electric, its not really a comparison to tesla. Its like getting a mercedes and putting it up against a kia and ford. Ofcourse the mercedes is better, its not even a question. The charging time section is very poorly researched. Tesla give you a home charger kit that you need an electrician to install. That charges at about 7-11kw on single phase and something higher on 3 phase (I cant remember the figure). It makes home charging on adaily use case of driving about 80-100km take like 2 hours to fill up maximum. If you fully deplete the battery then it will take a bit longer. Im not sure why you put the figures up of the "emergency charger" up as standard. its literally called an emergency charger as its for emergencies when you need to plug you car in to any wall socket you can find
Went for the Tesla. The supercharger network is such an advantage. Being the lazy person I am I also like the big battery (i.e. I have to plug in only about once a week at home), and the range it gives me pretty much coincides with the breaks - and the charging times with the length of breaks - I would take on trips anyhow. So no change in behavior needed from previous cars. Get a bite or have a coffe and a quick toilet break - back at 80% and off I go. With the other's I'd feel like with my first motorcycle (which had only a 5.5 liter gas tank): I'd be not so much on a trip but more like "charger hopping".
Supercharger network? I looked at a supercharger map and saw that in Australia there only seem to be superchargers dotted along the east and south coasts.
No one You know That’s where we all live. It’s a distance of nearly 4000kms. Fox Charge has a very good network up the Queensland coast and elsewhere and their super fast chargers deliver up to 350 kW.
@@garryhopkins As in Australia or east and south coast? How do you know that's where you all live? Does no one live anywhere else? I don't know much about Australia.
No one You know I live in Canberra (the Capital) between Sydney and Melbourne. Hardly anyone lives in the centre .. there’s not much there! It’s called the outback, good for mining and tourists, but too hot 🥵. Most of the population lives within 100kms of the coast where conditions are more temperate and pleasant. Here’s a link to population density in the “land down under” with a map if you’re interested. ... www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Previousproducts/3218.0Main%20Features752016
bought a used Ioniq, it was almost half the price of the Tesla and it's such a great, comfortable and really efficient EV. It actually feels a bit like a smaller version of the incredibly comfortable Chrysler 300M (I had two of them)
When you compare the Tesla Model 3 with the higher battery capacity Nissan Leaf Plus and Hyundai Kona, the pricing is a lot closer. The biggest factor in EV pricing is battery size.
You also need to consider battery management. Tesla has the most advanced cooling/ Heating for its battery which goes a long way to fast charging and battery longevity
I want less people to buy the model 3 to make me feel more unique but I have to say if it fits your budget there is no other car that is as practical and intelligent to buy if you pick a different car you will not have the best money can buy
WOW, they really are conservative Down Under. "The Tesla has great acceleration, but it uses more battery range when you go fast." "The ride is harsh but it goes around corners better." This reminds me of a car comparison done by my grade school English teacher. Great job of leaving out half the amazing features the Tesla has that you can't even get in the others. The sound system is fantastic, Autopilot, Over-the-air updates, the list goes on. "We didn't like the ride." It will be interesting to see if the sales of Model 3 compare to the less expensive challengers here. To me, the is NO COMPARISON.
You can see a comparison of EV sales here: insideevs.com/news/368729/ev-sales-scorecard-august-2019/ Model 3 is dominating so much it's like the others aren't even in the race.
So, here is my question, were that charging sessions for each of thise cars free? Asking about Nissan and Hyundai, if not, why you discriminate tesla with that? It's just pretty subjective and unprofessional.
As a newbie in this market I'd go for the Ioniq. The lower range isn't an issue as I drive less than 50km a day and it will recharge quite quickly as the battery is lower capacity. It offers the best economy too because it has the lowest weight. The driving experience is good, if not startling like the Tesla, but my wife doesn't want startling in a car, she wants comfort and safety. As do I!
Yeah I test drove one about 6 months ago, and I'm hoping some start coming onto the second hand market next year as they are $50k Australian new, too much for me.
@@yggdrasil9039 Next year with VW and others launching new mass-market EVs and the price of batteries continuing to fall I expect to see lower prices. At some point in the next two years EV prices are likely to converge with ICE prices - after all 80% of the vehicle cost is not in the drive-train/battery. Range anxiety has been a preoccupation until now, but wider deployment of charging stations will solve that issue.
Hardly a "torture test" as the thumbnail suggest! If you had of done a return trip, on the same day, it would have been a very different review....... Nissan have building cars for 86 years and Hyundai 52 years, Tesla have absolute wiped the floor with Legacy car makers! I can't wait to get rid of my WRX and get my Model 3. If you look at the Total Cost of Ownership over 10 years the Model 3 is cheaper.
@@hmorris Nope, I buy cars new because maintenance costs are low and reliability is high. An ICE vehicle after 10 years and 200K km have high maintenance costs and low reliability. If my Model 3 performance requires very little maintenance and last 1 million km I will never buy another car.........Also keep in mind since the model 3 has been released free over the air updates have improved braking distance, increased range, improved 0-100 times and more to come!!! If your the type of person who always has to have the latest and greatest then fine, but that's not me any more!
Also went for the model 3. Don’t know about your roads but here in Holland I found the car much more comfy than my C class (latest model) or my current A5. I tried the LR though but ordered the SR+. To be fair I didn’t try the other models but range and speed are paramount just after...space (2 small kids) . I can put more in the Tesla than in both Audi and Merc. Finally quality wise I found it almost at the level of the Germans. Can’t wait to see how much range I’ll get max speed...in Germany 😁. I need 130km to reach the office. Fingers cross
This same gentleman gave the Model 3 the most negative review I've yet seen a few weeks back. The Tesla with its charging network is FAR ahead of any other offering - that's the consensus of the world's media. This guy is certainly entitled to his opinion, even if it puts him in the
Really liked the format of this video - using the framework of milestones and overlaying mini review segments was really smart to do and lend itself well to keep watching. Great job guys from the US!
Hyundai Ioniq all day. Talking about EV's is one thing driving it another. I'm lucky to own an Ioniq for the past 15 months and have done 20.000 miles in it. A longer range would be nice but its fast charging capability is more important. Of course, this only works when you live somewhere with a well functioning network. I do like the look of the Nissan Leaf but that's about it. The ride is uncomfortable and its efficient is poor. Also, the car's charging capabilities are limited and it gets worse on longer trips. The Tesla is a great car to look at and fun to drive but it's quite bumpy and uncomfortable on longer trips. Also, to many quality issues for the money it costs and very very long waiting times for repairs. Because of this, Tesla is not for me at this point in time. The video is good and I'm delighted that the 2016 Ioniq still can keep up with those newer models. Well done Hyundai. Btw, I'm not keen on the 2020 model because of the charging restrictions and higher price.
@@moestrei No thank you. The newer version is also more expensive and lost its fast-charging capability. I am not interested and like to stick with my 28 kWh Ioniq and see what else is coming. I love my Ioniq but I am not loyal to Hyundai. It's my first Hyundai and nearly everything is a bit too flimsy for my liking. For my next car, I would like to get a bit of character and build quality back. At the moment, I have my eyes on the Skoda iV and my hopes are high.
18.4 kw/100km is very spirited driving thus i dont think this is honest comparison. I own M3 LR AWD which is heavier and i see this number at 140km/h constant speed.
I went for the Tesla - delivery soon, I hope. When comparing prices you failed to mention that home charging and the emergency cable were options for the Hyundai Ionic - cost an extra $2,800 (come standard with the Tesla). I wanted the extra range and technology of the Tesla. When you look into the detailed specs it really is a bit like comparing chalk and cheese (with the Tesla options simply not available in the Leaf or the Ionic.
Testers often refer to foreign-built cars having suspension tuned for the unique conditions of Australian roads. You mention it at 6:10. I've travelled a bit and can't think of anything unusual about the Australian roads that most people travel over when compared with those in other countries. The only real difference i've come across is the preference of the average driver on the comfort spectrum. For example, US drivers generally like a soft ride and Philippine drivers like it even softer. Australians? Maybe a bit firmer than the US, but not much in it. Thoughts?
I have a HUGE problem with this video, and specifically it's range test. Check at 1:42 it says Tesla Model 3 409km on WLTP (conservative) range and assuming they all started with 100% battery at the 3:00 and after only 34km the remaining is 245km or 77%. How is that true!? you saying that Tesla used 164km driving only 34 km? It is bogus. And at the end you says that usable range is around 298km. Check your numbers!!!
and then with 245km remaining, he drove 158km and had 161km still left.. so it used up 84 km to travel the 158km and recieved the worst effeciency number... lol note: the Hyundi used 142 km to travel 158km note: the leaf used 147 km to travel 158km
"one of those things is not like the others..." Today we are comparing the orange flavor of an orange and 2 apples... which has the best orange flavor?... watch and find out... I propose a moratorium on Model 3 comparison testing, until there is a competitor.
The reason they are comparing them is they are all about the same price. In the US a 2020 Ioniq EV with lane departure and Highway Drive Assistance (HDA) costs $39,870 vs Tesla Model 3 at $39,995, but the Ioniq doesn't go as far (170 miles vs 250 miles) and HDA is not as good as Autopilot. The Leaf with extended range goes 226 miles, still not as far as the Tesla, but costs $4000 more. When I went into Hyundai, pre COVID, they were not willing to deal since they had limited supplies. The Kona EV I looked at was $44,000. It is hard to justify buying that car over a Model 3 or Model Y.
Hands down, the Tesla, because of its longer range, the Tesla Network, its high tech, and most of all because it gets better with time with its "over the air updates", the main reason that everything works from the screen (software switches instead of real ones) and eventually it will have full self driving capabilities which could enable the car to pay for itself (if you desire). My second choice is Hyundai's best electric car, the Kona Electric (not reviewed here). Although the VW ID3 could take that spot from the Kona because its rear-wheel drive and sounds just as good, will see when it released and tested by journos.
Tesla for OTA updates, ahead of everyone on safety and autopilot, longest battery development and I found the drive and feel of the car better, not to forget the charging network
For me I went with the Ioniq. One of the most efficient EV car out there and it happen to be my favorite looking car beside The Model S but yeah... Not the same price range!
One could go on and on about it not being a fair comparison, reviewer bias or whatever else people want to moan about geez, build a bridge. The Tesla is no doubt the most modern car here and has a lot of features other EV’s do not have. I have been a fan of Tesla from day one and if I could AFFORD one it would be parked in my garage for sure, but alas I am obviously not as well heeled as all of the people posting here that have one or have ordered one. Therefore I can only commend other manufacturers now coming on board with their own version of an EV. Yes they have shortcomings etc. etc. whatever, but they are the only chance for those of us who want to purchase an electric vehicle that is “affordable” which for most of us certainly is not the Tesla. Tesla, at least in Australia is a premium offering and has pricing to match, it is just not a financially viable option for the “masses”. No manufacturer has achieved a financially viable offering that is useful (decent range 300-400klms) for most people yet. Go the early adopters! Bring the prices down for the poorer people. For those commenters not from Australia please note, as far as I am aware there are no incentives, rebates or other enticements in this country to purchase an electric vehicle thus far, none, nada, zip, at least as far as I am aware.
I bought my Tesla P85+ new 6 years ago, and I've never looked back. I'm EV forever now - ICE is dead to me. And Tesla simply makes the absolute cream of the crop. The driving dynamics, the tech, the design - superb. The "qualtiy problems" are far overblown. Literally EVERY car maker, yes even Mercedes & BMW, has problems. Google "mercedes problems ", "audi problems", "bmw problems" and you will get MORE results than "tesla problems". For some reason, certainly outlets love to hack on Tesla, and will over-report issues, copying from each other, making it look like some kind of epidemic. It's BS. Check them out for yourself. But beware - once you drive a Tesla, you're likely not going to be happy with anything else.
Regen is always on. They set it to a lower level. They did a poor job of explaining how it works. There is a significant difference in how all Tesla braking systems works from the Leaf (not familiar with the Hyundai). Lowering the regen on the Model 3 has more impact than the Leaf, as the Leaf integrates regen with the actual brake pedal (as does a Chevy Bolt and Volt). So pressing the brake engages regen, almost exclusively, in the Leaf under regular driving. The friction brake pads only engage under certain circumstances. So the "e-pedal" is primarily making one pedal driving easier in a Leaf. In a Tesla, pushing the brake pedal only engages the friction brakes, it is a completely separate system from the regen. Setting the Tesla to the low regen configuration means significantly less regen is available and pressing the brakes to compensate for the lower level of regen results in energy being wasted by using friction of the brake pads to slow the car. That said, the full regen setting on a Tesla takes getting used to, and it is a significant adjustment to get used to compared to a conventional car.
On the Hyundai, you can change the regen with shifters (from 0 to 3, 0 means no regen and is freewheeling). This is really good as if you anticipate, you can lower your power consumption a lot by freewheeling, and you can have more regen as needed. It also prevents cycling the battery and prevent charge loss. I am freewheeling as much as possible and let the air and road friction slow me down when I need to adjust the speed. But anyway, most of the time, I am using the nice adaptative cruise control. It is a really well engineered car.
Please tell me where you found a Model 3 costing $66,000 ... I've had a reservation for three and a half years and finally got the invitation to configure on the Tesla website last month ... the "poverty pack" cheapest one offered, with absolutely zero options, is $70,134
That's exactly it Dave! A lot of people on here commenting don't realise the true cost of the Tesla compared to the other EVs here in Australia. They really are a lot more expensive. Not everyone can afford one. Plus insurance is a LOT more expensive for the Tesla.
Nice video. It’s a shame that there was no mention that the Ioniq model isn’t made like that anymore and the new 2020 model has a 311km range. I had already decided and ordered the new Ioniq 2020 version. The Model 3 is nice but the insurance is a great deal more than the other two cars in this review. One quote I got for. Model 3 was $2421.00 per year where the others were about $500.00 which is a huge difference considering that the cost of the cars are not that different.
That's it Ian!! No where in these reviews do they compare insurance differences. This is a MUST when comparing any type of car, not just EVs or ICE. You can't just look at the purchase price and average running costs, you need to look at the total cost of ownership. I read here nearly everyone is choosing the Tesla, but not everyone can afford one. Hyundai and Nissan offer cheaper alternatives for those on a budget, particularly when it comes to insurance here in Australia which can be a killer. Just like when the WRX first became popular - insurance was almost impossible to get. Now it's about the same as any other car.
The Ioniq EV would be my choice for most day to day chores and commuting. To haul long and bulky objects, my wife and I do have our Subaru Outback to fallback on. Thanks for putting together this informative video.
Good real world test results in the UK reflect the same. Remember the suspension will soften up, these are new cars. Teslas supercharger network and its integration into the its sat nav coupled to their superior range means they are a replacement for an ICE car. Factor in running costs and over 5 years its cheaper than a Toyota Camry or by a big margin a similar price BMW 320.
This review is garbage. The model 3 is years ahead of any ev. Why no mention of how amazing all the features it has? Sound system, ease of use, games, over the air updates, autopilot. Common, this comparison is like comparing an IBM to a brand new Macbook pro! Just bcuz they have a mouse and key board does not mean they compare at all.
In the video it seemed like you drove the Model 3 in front so the ioniq and leaf could drive in the slipstream?... In all other tests the Model 3 and Ioniq are about as efficient as each other..?
Having driven/borrowed long term my Mum's Ioniq, but as a keen Tesla watcher I'm keen to buy a Model 3 myself, but think for most the updated Ioniq would be a winner. Just a pleasure to drive overall. I am about to put an order on a 3 shortly though, the ~200km range of the Ioniq currently is a little limiting for a main car. Though around town, it's simply not an issue, and it's refreshing to plug into 240V at home overnight and not have to worry about the weekly petrol station stop. As someone with sensitive hearing though, the high pitch motor whine is slightly off-putting, and not something I've heard from Teslas, particularly on test drives. Great reviews though CarsGuide - some of the most balanced I've seen.
As a 2nd car a 50kEuro used model 3 makes you think twice. The 2nd gen Leaf can still be a good bargain especially if you own another long range PHEV for towing long distances. Not everybody has the luxury of a company paid car...
Tesla Model 3 for sure. It is so much more fun to drive and is way ahead in all specs. It's ideal for both, commuting and family holiday and at the same time feels like a race car.
I would find the extra money for the Tesla, although your report of a harsh ride is concerning. I quite like a firm suspension as long as it doesn’t jar over bumps. Your report has convinced me that I would have to test drive the Tesla before committing.
I think if you can afford a new car there is a model 3 that will fit in your budget. I'm not sure what you mean by suspension because in my model 3 I feel like it's as smooth as a cloud and if you fall asleep in cars then you will be out in record time. The softness of seats and comfort is nothing short of Cadillac's well tuned suspension as I wonder how can this car drive like a race car in corners and fly over potholes like they are not there.
Just like visiting a doctor because of a medical condition, this 'review' is worthy of a second opinion. Unbiased review? Not a chance. The belittling choice of words, and the attitude towards the Leaf (even though it wasn't the worse riding) shows contempt, and I personally cannot trust a reviewer if he/she can't be leveled and impartial. There was no word on how the Leaf accelerated (since the Ioniq accelerated almost twice as slowly than the Tesla), and as for handling, it's not the Leaf's nor the Tesla's fault that Australian roads are bad. Moreover, if the other cars didn't have an 'e-pedal' feature, that shouldn't have prevented you from using it, because the re-gen power from that is superior even to the Tesla (based on many other reviews I would've seen). This means that the battery charge and range would've been better at the end of your test. Next time, focus on being more clinical on the cars being reviewed as opposed to being driven by your liking/preference/appreciation of a manufacturer or brand.
They didn't mention the regen level used on any of the other cars... Also didn't mention driver assistance features available (adaptive cruise, autopilot etc)
I have Ioniq, have test driven Model 3, but still prefer Ioniq. Hatch, ergonomic controls, heat pump heating, fwd (we get snow in UK!) fast enough charging, 70kW, amazing efficiency and enough performance. I had an older Leaf, this one is effectively the same inefficient EV with a larger battery.
@@andrepoon Good afternoon, of course I like Tesla, but I really believe without experiencing that overall Ioniq will be the most balanced, in a price / quality ratio
The problem with motor journalists reviewing EVs is that you're not typical of many (most?) drivers. You are more open to innovation and more interested in tech stuff that doesn't really concern or interest average drivers. I have a friend who was in the market for an EV and eventually decided on a Tesla. His, and his wife, planned for this to be their only car. But it hasn't worked out that way. She finds the Tesla to confronting and difficult to drive. As you imply though, the Ionic has a more conventional feel and, I suspect, this is not just because it has more conventional variants. I suspect this is a deliberate policy so that drivers, who just want to get from A to B, will be in familiar surroundings. Also, the Ionic has more 'honest' range estimation. Again, this is surely no accident. This is part of their push to help people make the transition. Bottom line? For city driving, and occasional country trips, EVs are very usable. If you are able to install a charger at home, it's even better. The price is a barrier though, even for the cheaper brands but, there again, when you compare the total cost of ownership they're very competitive.
You failed to mention a major safety fetcher’s on the Ioniq Electric and that is that when reversing reversing the mirrors drop down by an inch giving you a brilliant view while reversing not so on the Nissan or the Tesla
Which of the cars can have tow hook installed? I don't think that comes default as it would have been mentioned otherwise but I'm interested if any can have tow hook installed :D
Buying an EV is like paying for your fuel in advance...what a stupidity. A 35k Camry hybrid and another 40k worth Fuel will last for 10 years at least.
I really can't see how they got that poor range and efficiency for the Tesla - I have an SR+ and driving from Lisbon to the Algarve (around 270 kms) mainly at 120kms/hr with A/C at 22ºC, outdoor temp of 32ºC gave 14.7kwh/100kms. Must have been doing something really odd to get a figure of 18.4. You can also drop the tyre pressure by 10% if you don't like the hard ride (twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1001903414555492352), it does help and has a minimal effect on range. If you need to do longer trips, the Supercharger network is a huge benefit and the Auto Pilot/Auto Steer actually works.
It seems like in this video you have to make appear the nissan leaf like the worst car. With a consumption of 16.9 kwh/100km the nissan leaf with a 40kw battery can drive for 236 km, not only 210...and the Ioniq that has a 28kw battery with a consution of 13 kwh/100km can drive for 210 km (not 225) I really didn't understand these numbers. And just to say, I have a nissan leaf, and you have to drive really bad, ignoring the fact that is an electric car, to consume 16.9kwh/100km. I had also the old model of the nissan leaf, ad I used to drive (with a full charge/30kw battery) for 230km...this should make you understand that is easy extend the range driving with attention (not with anxiety, only attention).
Reviewing the Nissan leaf and not using the e pedal is is pretty dumb. Its the best feature, increases range by a lot especially in the city, increases fun factor and simplicity of driving. I have the base model 2018 leaf and it is included so it should of been included as a part of their review.
They are all good, but when are you going to get rid of all those car taxes, which shouldn't apply to EVs? A good example on how to do things, is Norway, where gas/diesel sales tax is 100% since ~2013 and EV sales tax is ZERO... EVs also don't have to pay other car-related taxes.
Incorrect - about $70k onroad (after registration, taxes, etc) drive away price. PLUS expensive insurance which isn't mentioned in this review. Total cost of ownership is MUCH higher for the Tesla compared to the other two EVs.
As the cost is a major factor for ordinary buyers then that will be the deciding factor that over-rides what most would really like to buy. On such a measure the Ioniq wins.
I think you made a mistake with the range of the Model 3 after 34 km. It was displayed 245km, but it doesn't really fit that number with the range at the beginning or the end, so maybe was 345km?
I live in FNQ, so none of these is OK for me, as there is very little in the way of charging infrastructure. Up here, a PHEV is the closest I could get to running an EV (there is 1 charging station, but it's in a pay car-park, so you have to pay twice to charge your car).
Isn't the Leaf very nearly as expensive as the Tesla Model 3? At least in Taiwan it's just a tiny 5% difference in price. Is that not the case in Australia or other places?
Very interesting is that Model 3 was the least efficient, while from every other source I get that it is the most efficient electric car beating everyone by 30% at least. On the video it is often on front. Is is possible it was on front most of the time?
I recently had to make this decision, the competition does not even come close to the Tesla model 3, is so far ahead the competition, this includes the Audi e-tron and Jaguar e-pace as well.
Theres nothing wrong with the i-pace.. great looking vehicle.. but it doesnt compare on: -efficiency, range, charging speed,charging network,autopilot,fsd,software updates that improve the car on a regular basis, car is designed to last 1.6 million kms and battery designed to last 800,000 kms.. those are the basics
I think Kona electric is better than base Tesla 3. Base model 3 sucks I've heard because they are nothing like top spec model 3 that people are impressed by for it's performance. They have problems with computer sometimes that makes the car useless. There are some videos I saw from owners and I think it's not something all people could deal with while Kona and Ioniq works just like normal car. They are not totally dependent on software like Tesla so they work like normal cars because they are built to operate like one. It anything fails , it's part of the car and rest of the car is not effected. I think that's how any electric car should be made. Makes them more dependable.
Like Ioniq is not bad for that price but in winter you will really get only 170 - 180km of range (spoke with an owner) Leaf is good only 40 kw as 64 is too expensive and thanks to chademo you can't charger faster than 50 in real life anyway (maybe in Japan) and has no active cooling so long road trips will be really long as after 500 - 600km it will charge at 25kwh so Tesla is a clear winner, fastest charging, supercharger network, best performance and excellent range even in SR+ version. Similar price as 40 kw Leaf (almost ) and much cheaper than 64 and not that much more expensive as Ioniq.
I recently had this decision to make. I went with the Tesla. It was not a hard decision.
NotPoodle Me too. I was comparing the Kona highlander BEV too which is the same price as the Tesla M3 SR+.
CBA quoted me $1,000/yr for the SR+
I guess insurance prices will drop further when the benefits of autopilot are included in safety statistics.
Tesla insurance is coming too.
@@empireofpeaches damn, I got 120€/yr in Italy!
Model 3 build quality is garbage. I've had mine back in the garage 4 times in 2 years for a total of 5 weeks. I'm 100% dumping it before my standard warranty expires.
I own an 2017 Ioniq. It is fantastic. It is charging fast and with the good charging infrastructure near where I live, no problem to travel far away. I still like it after 2.5 years and 92000 km (and no battery degradation visible so far).
How is it now?
I just got bought 2016 Ioniq Electric with 200,000 km on the clock. Battery SoH is 98.2%. (192kkm of AC charging only). It's so much better than the ten year old LEAF I had for 8 years that I'm almost glad that died in a flood at high tide. DC charging is next level in the Ioniq! @@josephjohn907
You didn’t talk about autopilot, the sound system in the Tesla is amazing, Dog mode, Sentry mode, the fact that it updates every month adding features, and it has the best safety of the three cars tested... well of ANY car tested...
You are spot on - autopilot alone is dramatic if you have a commute.
There's no comparison model 3 blows everything out of the water. So you have to not mention half the features just to make it sound comparable
He said base model = 50kWh battery. So AP on this M3 is additional. Even the sat nav ( no satellite view) and radio ( no spotify) are missing, also with some protective carpets. But the biggest : " just" 100 kW charging peak power. For all those specs you need the 75kWh battery. But anyway still the fastest on every section of speed : 0-100, topspeed , charging speed and travelling speed. Oh , the Over the air updates, well : no competition I believe. Car gets better in time
@@bluebikerathar Good news - Auto pilot is now free on the base-line Model 3!! :-)
@@bluebikerathar not anymore - even the most base model of 3 gets autopilot - they changed it a few months ago. Full self driving is the add-on.
nothing to compare,,, model 3 is years ahead of any other car on the planet
and 20k more expensive too.
@@USUG0 you get what you pay for
@@MAGApepe as a maga supporter you should be all about coal rolling. EVs are for liberal snowflakes. Don't you know that?
But for a red hat, it is perfectly logic to support a government doing everything to destroy the environment and deny climate change, and yet support a company whose official mission is to try to preserve the environment and fight human pollution causing climate change
No it's not. Model S and Model X are a bit ahead of the model 3
I’m not sure why he mentioned not once but twice that the supercharger network costs money, when comparing the other two vehicles, it almost implies that the other two vehicles have access to free charging? He doesn’t mention that the Nissan and Hyundai also requires fees for charging, odd to make this statement on a comparison of three vehicles and not mention fees for the others. Just an observation. I’d forgotten about the Ionic ev, now would take a serious look at one as a second ev to my model 3.
2020 Ionic releasing soon with larger capacity battery and even better tuned suspension. I'm starting to look at it
@@jimmyjango5213 for almost 50gs I better buy one more tesla model 3
He just made the point while being very complimentary about the Tesla Superchargers that they do cost. The other 2 cars had to use the slower NRMA chargers which are free to members and just about everyone in NSW is a member.
Why do you keep saying you have to pay to charge the Tesla. You have to pay to charge them all...right? Free supercharging for other Tesla’s(when Tesla is including that) isn’t part of the comparison or mentioned. Just the fact you have to pay to charge the 3. Very odd!
Kris Cruickshank NRMA chargers are free to use for NRMA members and just about everyone in NSW is a member. Of course The M3 can also use NRMA chargers. He was just commenting that there is a cost to use the faster Superchargers.
@@garryhopkins At this stage all NRMA chargers are free for everybody
Living in the USA, we went with the Standard Range Plus Model 3 with Autopilot. Bought March 26, we have 12,328 mi (19,725 km) with +90% using Autopilot, my co-pilot. The charging range matches my wife and her dogs biology range. Sleeping at a camping park, we start the next day will a full charge to drive 3 hours and then stop every 2 hours for a charge and biology break.
I have a model 3 and it is very comfortable very smooth ride, not sure what this guy is taking about
Yeah I've never heard about that being an issue before.
@John W my paint it's perfect and my car is quiet
Sorry about your lemon
@John W I got my car a month ago, the paint is perfect I do detailing. As far as noise I'm coming from a gas car and it is wayyy quieter than anything I've had ... Ever
Maybe there is something wrong with your car, it happens it's a machine
Not a great review. No mention that the Tesla Model 3 has full self driving hardware which will enable it to drive without humans on board, pick your kids up from school or ride share autonomously making you money while you sleep.
The Tesla tested here has 211kw
Keep dreaming. Not anytime soon. Will be at least some driver involvement for a while.
And that's why the minimalistic interior. In " nearby future" robotaxi like Tesla calls it will pick you up and get you to work, city, shopping mall. Drop you off and will drive to someone else. So les ppl will own a car. That's the vision from Tesla and the reason behind " just a big tablet". Also the updates over the air allows tesla to update / modify the car controls. Years ahead
... and let you out if your car because it refuses to unlock.
When we purchased our EV, we went with the largest battery pack available. Larger equals more mileage between charges. The SuperCharging network was another factor in our purchase. There is no place that we can not go to with our TESLA. In five to ten years the car will still be up to date with all of the Wifi updates. To get that from the other EV manufactures, you will have to buy a new car. Think about that. The premium car makers are years behind TESLA. Their best mileage on their battery packs today are not even better than the first generation TESLA battery packs made in 2012.
Agree but today car makers make batteries good enough, like Tesla in 2013 - 2014.
Apart from them being electric, its not really a comparison to tesla. Its like getting a mercedes and putting it up against a kia and ford. Ofcourse the mercedes is better, its not even a question.
The charging time section is very poorly researched. Tesla give you a home charger kit that you need an electrician to install. That charges at about 7-11kw on single phase and something higher on 3 phase (I cant remember the figure). It makes home charging on adaily use case of driving about 80-100km take like 2 hours to fill up maximum. If you fully deplete the battery then it will take a bit longer. Im not sure why you put the figures up of the "emergency charger" up as standard. its literally called an emergency charger as its for emergencies when you need to plug you car in to any wall socket you can find
Went for the Tesla. The supercharger network is such an advantage. Being the lazy person I am I also like the big battery (i.e. I have to plug in only about once a week at home), and the range it gives me pretty much coincides with the breaks - and the charging times with the length of breaks - I would take on trips anyhow. So no change in behavior needed from previous cars. Get a bite or have a coffe and a quick toilet break - back at 80% and off I go. With the other's I'd feel like with my first motorcycle (which had only a 5.5 liter gas tank): I'd be not so much on a trip but more like "charger hopping".
Supercharger network? I looked at a supercharger map and saw that in Australia there only seem to be superchargers dotted along the east and south coasts.
No one You know That’s where we all live. It’s a distance of nearly 4000kms. Fox Charge has a very good network up the Queensland coast and elsewhere and their super fast chargers deliver up to 350 kW.
@@garryhopkins As in Australia or east and south coast? How do you know that's where you all live? Does no one live anywhere else? I don't know much about Australia.
No one You know I live in Canberra (the Capital) between Sydney and Melbourne. Hardly anyone lives in the centre .. there’s not much there! It’s called the outback, good for mining and tourists, but too hot 🥵. Most of the population lives within 100kms of the coast where conditions are more temperate and pleasant. Here’s a link to population density in the “land down under” with a map if you’re interested. ... www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Previousproducts/3218.0Main%20Features752016
"Arguably the most sporty." Really? Who argues it's not the most sporty of the three?
False equivalence - Tesla is 5 - 10 years ahead and not slowing down in it’s endless sprint to dominate.
agree
I’m just quoting a guy who knows ; the production engineer Sandy Munro and the electrical guy Jack Rickard.
Have you got the time or inclination?.
Well I did my best ......horses and drinking come to mind.
John W So it’s quite clear you haven’t actually been in a 2014 Tesla, you go drive one and then compare it to a 2019 Hyundai.... Tesla is years ahead.
5OO846 as you say “Tesla is (still) years ahead”.
Tesla Model 3 for the fun, range, safety and self driving.
bought a used Ioniq, it was almost half the price of the Tesla and it's such a great, comfortable and really efficient EV.
It actually feels a bit like a smaller version of the incredibly comfortable Chrysler 300M (I had two of them)
When you compare the Tesla Model 3 with the higher battery capacity Nissan Leaf Plus and Hyundai Kona, the pricing is a lot closer. The biggest factor in EV pricing is battery size.
Nailed it. Exactly my thoughts. It wasn't an apples to apples comparison
You also need to consider battery management. Tesla has the most advanced cooling/ Heating for its battery which goes a long way to fast charging and battery longevity
I want less people to buy the model 3 to make me feel more unique but I have to say if it fits your budget there is no other car that is as practical and intelligent to buy if you pick a different car you will not have the best money can buy
WOW, they really are conservative Down Under. "The Tesla has great acceleration, but it uses more battery range when you go fast." "The ride is harsh but it goes around corners better." This reminds me of a car comparison done by my grade school English teacher. Great job of leaving out half the amazing features the Tesla has that you can't even get in the others. The sound system is fantastic, Autopilot, Over-the-air updates, the list goes on. "We didn't like the ride." It will be interesting to see if the sales of Model 3 compare to the less expensive challengers here. To me, the is NO COMPARISON.
You can see a comparison of EV sales here: insideevs.com/news/368729/ev-sales-scorecard-august-2019/ Model 3 is dominating so much it's like the others aren't even in the race.
Went for the Tesla after having a test drive. Shame the model Y isn't available as yet
So, here is my question, were that charging sessions for each of thise cars free? Asking about Nissan and Hyundai, if not, why you discriminate tesla with that? It's just pretty subjective and unprofessional.
As a newbie in this market I'd go for the Ioniq. The lower range isn't an issue as I drive less than 50km a day and it will recharge quite quickly as the battery is lower capacity. It offers the best economy too because it has the lowest weight. The driving experience is good, if not startling like the Tesla, but my wife doesn't want startling in a car, she wants comfort and safety. As do I!
Yes the Ioniq is by far the most efficient EV, getting so much range out of just 28kW battery pack.
We bought the Ioniq, its so nice to drive, feels like a premium car, and super efficient.
Yeah I test drove one about 6 months ago, and I'm hoping some start coming onto the second hand market next year as they are $50k Australian new, too much for me.
@@yggdrasil9039 Next year with VW and others launching new mass-market EVs and the price of batteries continuing to fall I expect to see lower prices. At some point in the next two years EV prices are likely to converge with ICE prices - after all 80% of the vehicle cost is not in the drive-train/battery. Range anxiety has been a preoccupation until now, but wider deployment of charging stations will solve that issue.
Yeah about 400km range (so one midpoint charge on a drive Sydney to Melbourne) and price parity with an ICE and I'm sold.
In terms of price, I think Hyundai ioniq gives more for the money. I have recently bought one and I am quite happy with my decision.
Hey dude, how is the performance? Is the acceleration good?
Hardly a "torture test" as the thumbnail suggest!
If you had of done a return trip, on the same day, it would have been a very different review.......
Nissan have building cars for 86 years and Hyundai 52 years, Tesla have absolute wiped the floor with Legacy car makers!
I can't wait to get rid of my WRX and get my Model 3. If you look at the Total Cost of Ownership over 10 years the Model 3 is cheaper.
Rex Venom wouldn’t you want a different car after 10 years?
@@hmorris Nope, I buy cars new because maintenance costs are low and reliability is high. An ICE vehicle after 10 years and 200K km have high maintenance costs and low reliability. If my Model 3 performance requires very little maintenance and last 1 million km I will never buy another car.........Also keep in mind since the model 3 has been released free over the air updates have improved braking distance, increased range, improved 0-100 times and more to come!!! If your the type of person who always has to have the latest and greatest then fine, but that's not me any more!
Also went for the model 3. Don’t know about your roads but here in Holland I found the car much more comfy than my C class (latest model) or my current A5. I tried the LR though but ordered the SR+. To be fair I didn’t try the other models but range and speed are paramount just after...space (2 small kids) . I can put more in the Tesla than in both Audi and Merc. Finally quality wise I found it almost at the level of the Germans. Can’t wait to see how much range I’ll get max speed...in Germany 😁. I need 130km to reach the office. Fingers cross
This same gentleman gave the Model 3 the most negative review I've yet seen a few weeks back. The Tesla with its charging network is FAR ahead of any other offering - that's the consensus of the world's media. This guy is certainly entitled to his opinion, even if it puts him in the
ZCD1 Z I think the reviewer did praise the Supercharger network saying it was great and that they were everywhere.
Really liked the format of this video - using the framework of milestones and overlaying mini review segments was really smart to do and lend itself well to keep watching. Great job guys from the US!
Hyundai Ioniq all day. Talking about EV's is one thing driving it another. I'm lucky to own an Ioniq for the past 15 months and have done 20.000 miles in it. A longer range would be nice but its fast charging capability is more important. Of course, this only works when you live somewhere with a well functioning network. I do like the look of the Nissan Leaf but that's about it. The ride is uncomfortable and its efficient is poor. Also, the car's charging capabilities are limited and it gets worse on longer trips. The Tesla is a great car to look at and fun to drive but it's quite bumpy and uncomfortable on longer trips. Also, to many quality issues for the money it costs and very very long waiting times for repairs. Because of this, Tesla is not for me at this point in time. The video is good and I'm delighted that the 2016 Ioniq still can keep up with those newer models. Well done Hyundai. Btw, I'm not keen on the 2020 model because of the charging restrictions and higher price.
Also Ioniq has a Pump so for cold region it's way more efficient than a Tesla!
@@D3AMONS What do you mean with "Pump"?
@@damson777 Heat pump
Ioniq facelift now with moch bigger battery
@@moestrei No thank you. The newer version is also more expensive and lost its fast-charging capability. I am not interested and like to stick with my 28 kWh Ioniq and see what else is coming. I love my Ioniq but I am not loyal to Hyundai. It's my first Hyundai and nearly everything is a bit too flimsy for my liking. For my next car, I would like to get a bit of character and build quality back. At the moment, I have my eyes on the Skoda iV and my hopes are high.
I hope to get a low KM Hyundai Ioniq late next year for about $40k, can see it being very good for that price point!
I have climate anxiety, when are we going to run out??? My ev range is never an issue after I learned how to use it differently than my old gas car
Sasquatch 2001 the climate will not affect you at all
18.4 kw/100km is very spirited driving thus i dont think this is honest comparison. I own M3 LR AWD which is heavier and i see this number at 140km/h constant speed.
I went for the Tesla - delivery soon, I hope. When comparing prices you failed to mention that home charging and the emergency cable were options for the Hyundai Ionic - cost an extra $2,800 (come standard with the Tesla). I wanted the extra range and technology of the Tesla. When you look into the detailed specs it really is a bit like comparing chalk and cheese (with the Tesla options simply not available in the Leaf or the Ionic.
The Model 3s real competitor is the Kona Electric. It's range topping Highlander version is $68000. Not these "budget" EVs.
What is its EPA range?
Testers often refer to foreign-built cars having suspension tuned for the unique conditions of Australian roads. You mention it at 6:10. I've travelled a bit and can't think of anything unusual about the Australian roads that most people travel over when compared with those in other countries. The only real difference i've come across is the preference of the average driver on the comfort spectrum. For example, US drivers generally like a soft ride and Philippine drivers like it even softer. Australians? Maybe a bit firmer than the US, but not much in it. Thoughts?
I have a HUGE problem with this video, and specifically it's range test. Check at 1:42 it says Tesla Model 3 409km on WLTP (conservative) range and assuming they all started with 100% battery at the 3:00 and after only 34km the remaining is 245km or 77%. How is that true!? you saying that Tesla used 164km driving only 34 km? It is bogus. And at the end you says that usable range is around 298km. Check your numbers!!!
and then with 245km remaining, he drove 158km and had 161km still left.. so it used up 84 km to travel the 158km and recieved the worst effeciency number... lol
note: the Hyundi used 142 km to travel 158km
note: the leaf used 147 km to travel 158km
@@justinmallaiz4549 This reviewer has some basic problem with numbers and logic. I would not put much faith in his review.
"one of those things is not like the others..." Today we are comparing the orange flavor of an orange and 2 apples... which has the best orange flavor?... watch and find out...
I propose a moratorium on Model 3 comparison testing, until there is a competitor.
The reason they are comparing them is they are all about the same price. In the US a 2020 Ioniq EV with lane departure and Highway Drive Assistance (HDA) costs $39,870 vs Tesla Model 3 at $39,995, but the Ioniq doesn't go as far (170 miles vs 250 miles) and HDA is not as good as Autopilot. The Leaf with extended range goes 226 miles, still not as far as the Tesla, but costs $4000 more. When I went into Hyundai, pre COVID, they were not willing to deal since they had limited supplies. The Kona EV I looked at was $44,000. It is hard to justify buying that car over a Model 3 or Model Y.
Tesla model 3 for sure.
Tesla is my favorite! i ordered one :)
Hands down, the Tesla, because of its longer range, the Tesla Network, its high tech, and most of all because it gets better with time with its "over the air updates", the main reason that everything works from the screen (software switches instead of real ones) and eventually it will have full self driving capabilities which could enable the car to pay for itself (if you desire). My second choice is Hyundai's best electric car, the Kona Electric (not reviewed here). Although the VW ID3 could take that spot from the Kona because its rear-wheel drive and sounds just as good, will see when it released and tested by journos.
Tesla model 3,definitely. Let's not forget the OTA Updates, standard driver assist features, and safety.
It would be tesla model 3,for sure
How did the model 3 went from 410km to 245 after 34km driving?
Iacovos Florides Glad someone commented on this. This simply cannot be correct. The Tesla could not have been fully charged at the start.
I thought same thing my model 3 barely shows any use on my 30 miles to work
Tesla for OTA updates, ahead of everyone on safety and autopilot, longest battery development and I found the drive and feel of the car better, not to forget the charging network
real world range test didn't quite justify going up the Macquarie Pass? You should do the same test going back the other way.
For me I went with the Ioniq. One of the most efficient EV car out there and it happen to be my favorite looking car beside The Model S but yeah... Not the same price range!
One could go on and on about it not being a fair comparison, reviewer bias or whatever else people want to moan about geez, build a bridge.
The Tesla is no doubt the most modern car here and has a lot of features other EV’s do not have. I have been a fan of Tesla from day one and if I could AFFORD one it would be parked in my garage for sure, but alas I am obviously not as well heeled as all of the people posting here that have one or have ordered one.
Therefore I can only commend other manufacturers now coming on board with their own version of an EV. Yes they have shortcomings etc. etc. whatever, but they are the only chance for those of us who want to purchase an electric vehicle that is “affordable” which for most of us certainly is not the Tesla.
Tesla, at least in Australia is a premium offering and has pricing to match, it is just not a financially viable option for the “masses”. No manufacturer has achieved a financially viable offering that is useful (decent range 300-400klms) for most people yet.
Go the early adopters! Bring the prices down for the poorer people.
For those commenters not from Australia please note, as far as I am aware there are no incentives, rebates or other enticements in this country to purchase an electric vehicle thus far, none, nada, zip, at least as far as I am aware.
I bought my Tesla P85+ new 6 years ago, and I've never looked back. I'm EV forever now - ICE is dead to me. And Tesla simply makes the absolute cream of the crop. The driving dynamics, the tech, the design - superb. The "qualtiy problems" are far overblown. Literally EVERY car maker, yes even Mercedes & BMW, has problems. Google "mercedes problems ", "audi problems", "bmw problems" and you will get MORE results than "tesla problems". For some reason, certainly outlets love to hack on Tesla, and will over-report issues, copying from each other, making it look like some kind of epidemic. It's BS.
Check them out for yourself. But beware - once you drive a Tesla, you're likely not going to be happy with anything else.
I won't be happy with one because of the price because I can't afford one
That range is false because the regen is part of the car which effects the range drastically. Id like to see your same run with re gen on
Regen is always on. They set it to a lower level. They did a poor job of explaining how it works. There is a significant difference in how all Tesla braking systems works from the Leaf (not familiar with the Hyundai). Lowering the regen on the Model 3 has more impact than the Leaf, as the Leaf integrates regen with the actual brake pedal (as does a Chevy Bolt and Volt). So pressing the brake engages regen, almost exclusively, in the Leaf under regular driving. The friction brake pads only engage under certain circumstances. So the "e-pedal" is primarily making one pedal driving easier in a Leaf. In a Tesla, pushing the brake pedal only engages the friction brakes, it is a completely separate system from the regen. Setting the Tesla to the low regen configuration means significantly less regen is available and pressing the brakes to compensate for the lower level of regen results in energy being wasted by using friction of the brake pads to slow the car. That said, the full regen setting on a Tesla takes getting used to, and it is a significant adjustment to get used to compared to a conventional car.
How much does rgen help the Leafs range?
Yes but they made it an unfair test by not running the regen properly
On the Hyundai, you can change the regen with shifters (from 0 to 3, 0 means no regen and is freewheeling). This is really good as if you anticipate, you can lower your power consumption a lot by freewheeling, and you can have more regen as needed. It also prevents cycling the battery and prevent charge loss. I am freewheeling as much as possible and let the air and road friction slow me down when I need to adjust the speed.
But anyway, most of the time, I am using the nice adaptative cruise control.
It is a really well engineered car.
Please tell me where you found a Model 3 costing $66,000 ... I've had a reservation for three and a half years and finally got the invitation to configure on the Tesla website last month ... the "poverty pack" cheapest one offered, with absolutely zero options, is $70,134
That's exactly it Dave! A lot of people on here commenting don't realise the true cost of the Tesla compared to the other EVs here in Australia. They really are a lot more expensive. Not everyone can afford one. Plus insurance is a LOT more expensive for the Tesla.
Nice video. It’s a shame that there was no mention that the Ioniq model isn’t made like that anymore and the new 2020 model has a 311km range. I had already decided and ordered the new Ioniq 2020 version. The Model 3 is nice but the insurance is a great deal more than the other two cars in this review. One quote I got for. Model 3 was $2421.00 per year where the others were about $500.00 which is a huge difference considering that the cost of the cars are not that different.
That's it Ian!! No where in these reviews do they compare insurance differences. This is a MUST when comparing any type of car, not just EVs or ICE. You can't just look at the purchase price and average running costs, you need to look at the total cost of ownership. I read here nearly everyone is choosing the Tesla, but not everyone can afford one. Hyundai and Nissan offer cheaper alternatives for those on a budget, particularly when it comes to insurance here in Australia which can be a killer. Just like when the WRX first became popular - insurance was almost impossible to get. Now it's about the same as any other car.
The Ioniq EV would be my choice for most day to day chores and commuting. To haul long and bulky objects, my wife and I do have our Subaru Outback to fallback on. Thanks for putting together this informative video.
Good real world test results in the UK reflect the same. Remember the suspension will soften up, these are new cars. Teslas supercharger network and its integration into the its sat nav coupled to their superior range means they are a replacement for an ICE car. Factor in running costs and over 5 years its cheaper than a Toyota Camry or by a big margin a similar price BMW 320.
This review is garbage. The model 3 is years ahead of any ev. Why no mention of how amazing all the features it has? Sound system, ease of use, games, over the air updates, autopilot. Common, this comparison is like comparing an IBM to a brand new Macbook pro! Just bcuz they have a mouse and key board does not mean they compare at all.
so charging the leaf and ionic you dont have to pay for the fast chargers?
Ugur Senturk Not if you use NRMA fast chargers.
In the video it seemed like you drove the Model 3 in front so the ioniq and leaf could drive in the slipstream?... In all other tests the Model 3 and Ioniq are about as efficient as each other..?
I also noted this, that other testers have the Ionic and Telsa neck and neck for efficiency, something fishy here, probably as noted above.
Glenn Marks Yeah, the ioniq should be really close to model 3 efficiency, sometimes even slightly better (because of less tech-drain?)
Having driven/borrowed long term my Mum's Ioniq, but as a keen Tesla watcher I'm keen to buy a Model 3 myself, but think for most the updated Ioniq would be a winner. Just a pleasure to drive overall. I am about to put an order on a 3 shortly though, the ~200km range of the Ioniq currently is a little limiting for a main car. Though around town, it's simply not an issue, and it's refreshing to plug into 240V at home overnight and not have to worry about the weekly petrol station stop. As someone with sensitive hearing though, the high pitch motor whine is slightly off-putting, and not something I've heard from Teslas, particularly on test drives. Great reviews though CarsGuide - some of the most balanced I've seen.
As a 2nd car a 50kEuro used model 3 makes you think twice. The 2nd gen Leaf can still be a good bargain especially if you own another long range PHEV for towing long distances.
Not everybody has the luxury of a company paid car...
Tesla Model 3 for sure. It is so much more fun to drive and is way ahead in all specs. It's ideal for both, commuting and family holiday and at the same time feels like a race car.
I would find the extra money for the Tesla, although your report of a harsh ride is concerning. I quite like a firm suspension as long as it doesn’t jar over bumps. Your report has convinced me that I would have to test drive the Tesla before committing.
Model 3 features just can't be matched by these 2 EV's - sorry.
Ioniq put that leaf to shame, less range, nearly half the battery size & still beat it, lmao.
The total ionic range I think has a mistake in the final after 158k traveler as you stated 3 minutes earlier the car had 42 left or only 200 of range.
Damn those prices are high in Australia.
Ionic, especially when they go to the 39kwh battery next year.
Me too
I think if you can afford a new car there is a model 3 that will fit in your budget. I'm not sure what you mean by suspension because in my model 3 I feel like it's as smooth as a cloud and if you fall asleep in cars then you will be out in record time. The softness of seats and comfort is nothing short of Cadillac's well tuned suspension as I wonder how can this car drive like a race car in corners and fly over potholes like they are not there.
Im gonna get the model 3
Just like visiting a doctor because of a medical condition, this 'review' is worthy of a second opinion. Unbiased review? Not a chance. The belittling choice of words, and the attitude towards the Leaf (even though it wasn't the worse riding) shows contempt, and I personally cannot trust a reviewer if he/she can't be leveled and impartial. There was no word on how the Leaf accelerated (since the Ioniq accelerated almost twice as slowly than the Tesla), and as for handling, it's not the Leaf's nor the Tesla's fault that Australian roads are bad. Moreover, if the other cars didn't have an 'e-pedal' feature, that shouldn't have prevented you from using it, because the re-gen power from that is superior even to the Tesla (based on many other reviews I would've seen). This means that the battery charge and range would've been better at the end of your test. Next time, focus on being more clinical on the cars being reviewed as opposed to being driven by your liking/preference/appreciation of a manufacturer or brand.
Not using the e-pedal was a poor decision... Defeats the purpose of the video. Oh yeah lets gimp one of the cars to put them on an even playing field.
They didn't mention the regen level used on any of the other cars... Also didn't mention driver assistance features available (adaptive cruise, autopilot etc)
Ioniq for sure, is the most balanced.
Honestly, test drive the Tesla, and let me know what you think after...
I have Ioniq, have test driven Model 3, but still prefer Ioniq. Hatch, ergonomic controls, heat pump heating, fwd (we get snow in UK!) fast enough charging, 70kW, amazing efficiency and enough performance. I had an older Leaf, this one is effectively the same inefficient EV with a larger battery.
@@andrepoon Good afternoon, of course I like Tesla, but I really believe without experiencing that overall Ioniq will be the most balanced, in a price / quality ratio
@@simoncanfer5030 Agree!! We also bought the Ioniq, its so nice to drive, feels like a premium car, and super efficient.
The problem with motor journalists reviewing EVs is that you're not typical of many (most?) drivers. You are more open to innovation and more interested in tech stuff that doesn't really concern or interest average drivers. I have a friend who was in the market for an EV and eventually decided on a Tesla. His, and his wife, planned for this to be their only car. But it hasn't worked out that way. She finds the Tesla to confronting and difficult to drive. As you imply though, the Ionic has a more conventional feel and, I suspect, this is not just because it has more conventional variants. I suspect this is a deliberate policy so that drivers, who just want to get from A to B, will be in familiar surroundings. Also, the Ionic has more 'honest' range estimation. Again, this is surely no accident. This is part of their push to help people make the transition. Bottom line? For city driving, and occasional country trips, EVs are very usable. If you are able to install a charger at home, it's even better. The price is a barrier though, even for the cheaper brands but, there again, when you compare the total cost of ownership they're very competitive.
You failed to mention a major safety fetcher’s on the Ioniq Electric and that is that when reversing reversing the mirrors drop down by an inch giving you a brilliant view while reversing not so on the Nissan or the Tesla
Ionic for my needs.
It needs to be mentioned that the Nissan Leaf has the worst thermal battery management causing the battery to degrade fast in hot climates.
Nissan for me. Purely based on price, reliability and my wife having a petrol car for those really long journeys
Which of the cars can have tow hook installed? I don't think that comes default as it would have been mentioned otherwise but I'm interested if any can have tow hook installed :D
I already chose. model 3 - love it!
Buying an EV is like paying for your fuel in advance...what a stupidity. A 35k Camry hybrid and another 40k worth Fuel will last for 10 years at least.
I really can't see how they got that poor range and efficiency for the Tesla - I have an SR+ and driving from Lisbon to the Algarve (around 270 kms) mainly at 120kms/hr with A/C at 22ºC, outdoor temp of 32ºC gave 14.7kwh/100kms. Must have been doing something really odd to get a figure of 18.4.
You can also drop the tyre pressure by 10% if you don't like the hard ride (twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1001903414555492352), it does help and has a minimal effect on range. If you need to do longer trips, the Supercharger network is a huge benefit and the Auto Pilot/Auto Steer actually works.
It seems like in this video you have to make appear the nissan leaf like the worst car. With a consumption of 16.9 kwh/100km the nissan leaf with a 40kw battery can drive for 236 km, not only 210...and the Ioniq that has a 28kw battery with a consution of 13 kwh/100km can drive for 210 km (not 225) I really didn't understand these numbers. And just to say, I have a nissan leaf, and you have to drive really bad, ignoring the fact that is an electric car, to consume 16.9kwh/100km. I had also the old model of the nissan leaf, ad I used to drive (with a full charge/30kw battery) for 230km...this should make you understand that is easy extend the range driving with attention (not with anxiety, only attention).
How is the leaf? I'm debating hat to get.
Reviewing the Nissan leaf and not using the e pedal is is pretty dumb. Its the best feature, increases range by a lot especially in the city, increases fun factor and simplicity of driving. I have the base model 2018 leaf and it is included so it should of been included as a part of their review.
They are all good, but when are you going to get rid of all those car taxes, which shouldn't apply to EVs? A good example on how to do things, is Norway, where gas/diesel sales tax is 100% since ~2013 and EV sales tax is ZERO... EVs also don't have to pay other car-related taxes.
3:20 what bridge is this??
The quality of the battery is the clincher for me. Tesla for sure.
What, no driftability assessment?
(Loved the drone shots at the Seacliff bridge)
The model 3 starts at $60k for your country? Damn you guys got the shaft. My dream config isn't even $40k with the M3.
Incorrect - about $70k onroad (after registration, taxes, etc) drive away price. PLUS expensive insurance which isn't mentioned in this review. Total cost of ownership is MUCH higher for the Tesla compared to the other two EVs.
As the cost is a major factor for ordinary buyers then that will be the deciding factor that over-rides what most would really like to buy. On such a measure the Ioniq wins.
I think you made a mistake with the range of the Model 3 after 34 km. It was displayed 245km, but it doesn't really fit that number with the range at the beginning or the end, so maybe was 345km?
I live in FNQ, so none of these is OK for me, as there is very little in the way of charging infrastructure.
Up here, a PHEV is the closest I could get to running an EV (there is 1 charging station, but it's in a pay car-park, so you have to pay twice to charge your car).
Isn't the Leaf very nearly as expensive as the Tesla Model 3? At least in Taiwan it's just a tiny 5% difference in price. Is that not the case in Australia or other places?
Very interesting is that Model 3 was the least efficient, while from every other source I get that it is the most efficient electric car beating everyone by 30% at least. On the video it is often on front. Is is possible it was on front most of the time?
Nissan leaf all the way... Have one and love love love it
Bought a used LEAF plus SL and use the money I saved to travel.
I recently had to make this decision, the competition does not even come close to the Tesla model 3, is so far ahead the competition, this includes the Audi e-tron and Jaguar e-pace as well.
Theres nothing wrong with the i-pace.. great looking vehicle.. but it doesnt compare on:
-efficiency, range, charging speed,charging network,autopilot,fsd,software updates that improve the car on a regular basis, car is designed to last 1.6 million kms and battery designed to last 800,000 kms.. those are the basics
@John W
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I think Kona electric is better than base Tesla 3. Base model 3 sucks I've heard because they are nothing like top spec model 3 that people are impressed by for it's performance. They have problems with computer sometimes that makes the car useless. There are some videos I saw from owners and I think it's not something all people could deal with while Kona and Ioniq works just like normal car. They are not totally dependent on software like Tesla so they work like normal cars because they are built to operate like one. It anything fails , it's part of the car and rest of the car is not effected. I think that's how any electric car should be made. Makes them more dependable.
Perfect, I owned Ioniq Electric - super efective car and now I have Tesla Model 3 Performance 👑😍 - Super Cars
Beautiful ocean highway.
Must be sponsor by them. You can get a used leaf for under $6 grand vs all the other one. If you wanted to get a 2nd car for remote commute
Hyundai Is Best Car Company
Like Ioniq is not bad for that price but in winter you will really get only 170 - 180km of range (spoke with an owner) Leaf is good only 40 kw as 64 is too expensive and thanks to chademo you can't charger faster than 50 in real life anyway (maybe in Japan) and has no active cooling so long road trips will be really long as after 500 - 600km it will charge at 25kwh so Tesla is a clear winner, fastest charging, supercharger network, best performance and excellent range even in SR+ version. Similar price as 40 kw Leaf (almost ) and much cheaper than 64 and not that much more expensive as Ioniq.
So which of the 3 won?