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Ep.15 | Profumo: The Dark Side of the 1960s - with Stephen Dorril
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- čas přidán 20. 03. 2023
- The Profumo affair is the scandal that has everything: sex parties in high places, Soviet agents, political resignations, dramatic court cases, drugs, deaths, cover ups and endless tabloid excitement, all at a critical moment in the Cold War and when, in London, the sixties are beginning to swing.
But after so many years how much is here still to learn about the tangled relationships between John Profumo, Christine Keeler, Stephen Ward, Mandy Rice-Davies and Yevgeny Ivanov? And were other very highly placed men protected by an Inquiry so opaque that key documents are still kept under lock and key and will be for many decades to come?
Our guest Stephen Dorril has written The Secret Worlds of Stephen Ward: Sex, Scandal and Deadly Secrets in the Profumo Affair (with Anthony Summers), and is author of MI6: Fifty years of Special Operations, which remains the definitive account of the UK’s post-war secret intelligence service.
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MI6: Fifty Years of Special Operations.
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So interesting! As a young child, I remember the raised eyebrows and gasps at the breakfast table when the Profumo scandal hit the front pages. We lived near Cliveden, so it felt that it was all happening on our very doorstep!
A lot of it was!
Excellent show.
he was PP's osteopath...PP had a lot of explaining to do to the queen, when some wanted to frame him(sketch and photo of him)...was the Crown's portrayal of him acceptable? Do you think Lord Snowden was involved with that circle, too?
The only thing I'm shocked about is the cover up. Wonder if ever a device will be invented that will allow us to listen into the past, downloaded from the cosmos? My parents took The Express back then with it's black and white coverage matching what was on our black and white TV. I came nose to nose with Jeremy Thorpe in the 1970s as he was leaving an event in the town where I lived; he turned right into me, no bodyguards around him. He was exquisitely handsome, well dressed, suave, and within a year all his scandal erupted. The whole invention of LSD, it's original use is it's own scandal. Interesting show guys, thank you.
Thanks for watching Tina!
Susie Chang is famous in America for her involvement with John Lennon's blurry drug time in LA during his break up with Yoko Ono--great doc on this. FBI wanted John Lennon out of the US, so if he went out of the country, he couldn't get back in...so he was trapped in NYC
Poor Stephen Ward. He reminds me of George Brummell. They played similar roles, didn't they? And once they were seen as inconvenient instead of useful, they were dismissed. Brummell showed up at his club one evening and he was turned out. It was over. His loan was called in by the Duke of Beaufort and he had to flee to France with nothing.
My goodness gracious me!!! 😮
I was just a thought floating in the ether when this took place but when I first heard of PROFUMO I thought it was a GREAT name for a new perfume. I was always a bit thick!😂
I am absolutely astounded that this isn't talked about a lot more!!!
I'm watching it twice as I find it mind boggling!
Thank you gentlemen for enlightening me/us ♡
As you said Phil - a couple of hundred years later and things haven't changed that much 😮
Great job SCANDAL MONGERS XX
Thank you all so much! I only had a rudimentary knowledge of the Profumo Scandal and this has enlightened me! As Stephen says, the girls came out of this the worst...as per usual...!
Ward’s recruitment of the girls was like Maxwell’s method I think?
another great but depressing episode--bad guys don't always get their due.... and the wrong "guys" pay the price sometimes--as an old lady I should be used to this by now--yet, no.
Christine Kennelly and Mandy Rice Davis did well out of this affair.
Sorry, it was Christine Keeler.
After listening to the recast of this program, I’ve changed my mind. I was very young at the time and was lead to believe that they both had very successful futures. I guess that it doesn’t pay to be a young woman with no principles. You learn a lot from this program. I was a teenager at that time.
i don't think the party girls to be brought into the social circle were picked as randomly as all that. Ward was friends with horace roye and arthur ferriers who both had similar party set-ups in the decades prior because their work brought them into contact with beautiful women, their models. i think it goes back to 'darwin's dollies' which i can't find anything about but know was a thing - what to do with the result of wild oat sowing by the gentry. someone has been keeping track of these illegitimate family trees for generations now. the boys could be set up in 'trade' of course but the girls could be aligned to be theatre stars if talented, marriage or well kept mistresses and some less than that. a man called 'hooker' was friendly with darwin and that is a word used more often in america - for a prostitute. how did that word become widely used slang? ruth ellis's dad was a (incestuous paedophile) frequent transatlantic traveller as a cellist on a cruise ship so the trafficking potential was there. all the way up to the most recent 'outed' incarnation of it as epstein/maxwell scandal.
Interesting insights! Only just seen this… thanks!
Darwins cousin, Galton started Eugenics and spent alot of time counting how many pretty women he saw in each town. All these people are inter-related elites
Darwins cousin, Galton started Eugenics and spent alot of time counting how many pretty women he saw in each town. All these people are inter-related elites
yikes
Thank you also for giving some background, USA here.
it links to 'Bowtie' in america and The Carousel motel nightclub purposely built somewhere outside washington d.c. mariella novotny, one of the girls involved but kept out of the limelight spent some time 'working' in america and is rumoured to have slept with jfk.
As Mr. Lownie knows the Mountbattens had a large if not largest collection of Pornography. Coincidence?
I just saw the C4 documentary about the 1989 film of this subject "Scandal". Stephen Dorril was interviewed in the documentary but unrecognizable compared to this podcast.
I remember the one fact about these English political scandals ( and they seemed to occur continuously). They were all supported by their long suffering wife as opposed to Donald Trump now…….his wife won’t go anywhere near him. ( and why should she ?)
Intrepid 🧐 stuff
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Please let the guest talk .you can see that you get a bit fed up listing to him inless you get the dirt