Additions: Plasma looses damage really fast under water, can be weakened by planar shields with some luck, usage cost is between APS and particle cannons, they actually are made in a way to deal more damage against dense slabs of armour using smart calculations. Read more about theme here if you wanna know some more details: fromthedepthsgame.com/_stable3-7-2/ Here is the aforementioned shop if you wanna support us: gmodism-shop.fourthwall.com/ And are you a commissioned officer (or want to become one) and what those files? Well here they are: www.patreon.com/posts/75576865
@@greankung1301 If plasma goes meta, hotblock targetting should be on the rise. But then heat decoys and planar shields to stay ahead of the race... Or submarines reigning with as much impunity as in the world wars. :\ Heh, or we see the wood meta reign in glory. XD Plasma is expensive, but it seems it may doom the Scarlett Dawn to extinction. And tanks. Sad day for tanks. It'll take some time to settle in as it shakes everything up right now, but the community will adjust sooner or later and it'll be just another addition to the rock, scissors, paper, lizard, spock of FTD. On an aside, thank you for the stable gamenotes link, Gmod.
It seems really, really good as CIWS. I got a 120rpm plasma gun in under 12k mats that can annihilate the kingstead's full cram volley. Small too, a 3x3×4 stack and then 7×5×4 turret top.
Something you missed. The magnetic splitter (shotgun) gets bonus damage as you increase the base inaccuracy (not the increase from heating). Minimum is .2 and maximum is 3 with bonus damage going form 15% to 60%. It starts out at .5 that's why you had .53 and some extra damage.
Yes I did cover that (I believe) you can see in the end of the video I mention that it has a damage bonus and that you can make a slug cannon that deals more damage from a single shot even.
I've tested it for a while and it really isn't op, it gets very expensive to both set up and run, even at a scale of like 30k cost aps, plasma gun will be at > 100k and will be very energy/resource demanding.
@@user-mr4ui9tg3e doesn't change the fact its application will probably end up ruining balance in some manner. People are quick to find ways of abusing new mechanics.
Would be really nice to see an updated armour tutorial after this is more fleshed out, I know you've already made a tutorial about that but it's pretty out-dated by now and it would be nice to hear your thought process about armouring a hull in general.
Relevant questions: Does water effect plasma damage? Can plasma be deflected or damage mitigated by planar shields? Can plasma be shot down by CIWs? Does angle of incidence affect plasma damage or is it like thump? It seems that the magnetic destabilizer would be great for plasma CIWs.
I put some text in pinned comment and description. To fill in that with your additional questions: the nature of plasma makes it not deflectable but reducible by shields, water has a weakening effect so no use underwater, the angle of plasma does also not matter since they "melt" the armour with those strange calculations. Apparently they are inefficient for CIWS but can be used indeed so that we gotta look at!
Plasma cannons are incredibly expensive, literally 22k for a single 5 block wide gun, it has literaly unfair damage to anything that has very compact armor setups but is badbas soon as a gap appears, just as intended. Still seems excessively expensive and not very customizable though
As said, I don't really think dense armour was a unfair thing to use... but now we got another tool to club those who use it lol It's expensive yes, but very cool with a new system, it's more fun than PACs!
The downsides of Particle Cannons is that they are expensive, bulky, and energy-thirsty. Their upsides are that they're versatile (Explosive, Thump, Piercing, or EMP) and they have no counters besides more health and armor. They're Hitscan so you can't dodge the beams or shoot them down, Planar Shields do nothing, while Ring Shields really aren't that good to begin with.
I don't really do "cost effectiveness," so I can't say. I do know that Swiss Cheesing stuff with a cluster of Scatter Lens Pierce PACs is super satisfying!
Can't be shot down. Fast "small energy for 1.5kms" 100 AP. Extra damage to thick armor... >Was this at all balanced? I am seriously concerned about HOW this is going to fit in.
The relatively small systems he had were 100k and 50k respectively. There is also no other weapon in the game ,besides simple weapons, that get stopped by one layer of wood at 100k materials! That is two decent cwis systems! That is a whole 500 millimeter battleship aps system! That makes railguns look cheap! Hell, even missiles are less expensive for a homing projectile! While yes, I do expect to see most meta battleships with at least one plasma cannon as a secondary or primary, it won’t break the game. Remember, PAC systems have no counters but nobody is complaining about it.
I agree, its expensive so it wont break anything. While this can be useful vs your average HA wedged frontsider, its just a fun thing. The facts remain that 3D CRAM and non rail APS are the only real options for serious systems.
The Sims grade as a weapon designed for well have any of you ever played free space to the plasma cannon kinda reminds me of one weapon in particular Kaiser I'm looking at you so get a fast Airship make for very powerful plasma cannons or one ultra-powerful plasma cannon if you're based and watch the enemy melt
Plasma seems like a silly addition to me. We had no need for yet another counter to compact armour and yet another CIWS option (with the 20 AP destabiliser), new ways to target spaced armour would be way more interesting than this
This will probably get nerfed before reaching stable, or in the coming months. The cost of a charged plasma gun is insanely low for such high damage, even if the fire rate eventually dies out
I was fooled al along! they launched it to stabile and alpha at the same time LOL But I agree that charge plasma is quite good,, perhaps too good lol, we shall test this!
Don't expect this to be released for a long long time. Considering Land Adventure is still in beta branch after 6 or 7 months. maybe more. Devs are super lazy in this game.
@@BorderWise12 Just tried again to start one & only put's you into the sea version. No options to switch to the land one. Auto joins upon clicking start new adventure. Had to double check..
Additions: Plasma looses damage really fast under water, can be weakened by planar shields with some luck, usage cost is between APS and particle cannons, they actually are made in a way to deal more damage against dense slabs of armour using smart calculations. Read more about theme here if you wanna know some more details: fromthedepthsgame.com/_stable3-7-2/ Here is the aforementioned shop if you wanna support us: gmodism-shop.fourthwall.com/ And are you a commissioned officer (or want to become one) and what those files? Well here they are: www.patreon.com/posts/75576865
Time for heat seeker missile ??
@@greankung1301 If plasma goes meta, hotblock targetting should be on the rise. But then heat decoys and planar shields to stay ahead of the race... Or submarines reigning with as much impunity as in the world wars. :\ Heh, or we see the wood meta reign in glory. XD Plasma is expensive, but it seems it may doom the Scarlett Dawn to extinction. And tanks. Sad day for tanks. It'll take some time to settle in as it shakes everything up right now, but the community will adjust sooner or later and it'll be just another addition to the rock, scissors, paper, lizard, spock of FTD.
On an aside, thank you for the stable gamenotes link, Gmod.
I see hull mounted spinal plasma cannons with short barrels and longer charge times becoming more of a norm for awhile
They are expensive though, will be great to see!
With destabilizer having 20 AP with fast firing it looks like it meant to be a CIWS
Now that you mentioned it. Missiles and CRAMS both have exactly 20 armor so that does seem to be the case.
Yeah exactly, we gotta try it even though they say its not efficient in update notes
Yep, definitely intended to be CIWS. I tried it however, and while it's not bad, APS CIWS is way more efficient. Plasma is hella accurate though.
It seems really, really good as CIWS. I got a 120rpm plasma gun in under 12k mats that can annihilate the kingstead's full cram volley. Small too, a 3x3×4 stack and then 7×5×4 turret top.
Or just meant to switch it up if you are only facing wooden things.
Something you missed. The magnetic splitter (shotgun) gets bonus damage as you increase the base inaccuracy (not the increase from heating). Minimum is .2 and maximum is 3 with bonus damage going form 15% to 60%. It starts out at .5 that's why you had .53 and some extra damage.
Yes I did cover that (I believe) you can see in the end of the video I mention that it has a damage bonus and that you can make a slug cannon that deals more damage from a single shot even.
I’m starting my 500 hour research and learning process of from the depths 😊 can’t wait to learn these in a couple months lol
You got this!
but are you sure 500h is enought? 😂
@@GMODISM yeah.. I’ll probably learn a couple weapon types, or one.
@@bootnoot8696 I got you covered however you choose XD
Plasma seems like the solution to bulky armored designs... Also seems a bit OP in my opinion.
I've tested it for a while and it really isn't op, it gets very expensive to both set up and run, even at a scale of like 30k cost aps, plasma gun will be at > 100k and will be very energy/resource demanding.
@@user-mr4ui9tg3e doesn't change the fact its application will probably end up ruining balance in some manner. People are quick to find ways of abusing new mechanics.
Its not OP because its super expensive, but it will make HA wedges less generally viable
it seems like the solution to everything
"Time does not contribute to damage loss, only distance" according to the in-game plasma tutorial.
Bloody hell, that was fast. Nice! XD
I just logged on and saw: UPDATE, like OMG let's study this hard for a few hours and make a video!
Borderwise you idiot.
Would be really nice to see an updated armour tutorial after this is more fleshed out, I know you've already made a tutorial about that but it's pretty out-dated by now and it would be nice to hear your thought process about armouring a hull in general.
Noted! I should indeed update that with a new armour tutorial :)
I want smart rounds for aps that take processing power so I can make homing aps rounds lol
that would be quite cool actually
Awesome, thanks for making this
Glad its useful mate!
we now have all the main weapon types in eve online in ftd, artillery, autocannons, railguns, blasters, lasers, and missiles
let's do eve online scale battles then! 😂
Relevant questions: Does water effect plasma damage? Can plasma be deflected or damage mitigated by planar shields? Can plasma be shot down by CIWs? Does angle of incidence affect plasma damage or is it like thump?
It seems that the magnetic destabilizer would be great for plasma CIWs.
I put some text in pinned comment and description. To fill in that with your additional questions: the nature of plasma makes it not deflectable but reducible by shields, water has a weakening effect so no use underwater, the angle of plasma does also not matter since they "melt" the armour with those strange calculations. Apparently they are inefficient for CIWS but can be used indeed so that we gotta look at!
checked out plasma once the discord notif came played with it a bit and now im here
Plasma cannons are incredibly expensive, literally 22k for a single 5 block wide gun, it has literaly unfair damage to anything that has very compact armor setups but is badbas soon as a gap appears, just as intended. Still seems excessively expensive and not very customizable though
As said, I don't really think dense armour was a unfair thing to use... but now we got another tool to club those who use it lol
It's expensive yes, but very cool with a new system, it's more fun than PACs!
The downsides of Particle Cannons is that they are expensive, bulky, and energy-thirsty. Their upsides are that they're versatile (Explosive, Thump, Piercing, or EMP) and they have no counters besides more health and armor. They're Hitscan so you can't dodge the beams or shoot them down, Planar Shields do nothing, while Ring Shields really aren't that good to begin with.
They are, but worth the cost? Maybe sometimes only, and great for underwater use!
I don't really do "cost effectiveness," so I can't say. I do know that Swiss Cheesing stuff with a cluster of Scatter Lens Pierce PACs is super satisfying!
Idk about you guys but the magnetic stabilizer/destabilizer is pretty good 👌
They are pretty nice!
Can't be shot down.
Fast "small energy for 1.5kms"
100 AP.
Extra damage to thick armor...
>Was this at all balanced? I am seriously concerned about HOW this is going to fit in.
The relatively small systems he had were 100k and 50k respectively. There is also no other weapon in the game ,besides simple weapons, that get stopped by one layer of wood at 100k materials! That is two decent cwis systems! That is a whole 500 millimeter battleship aps system! That makes railguns look cheap! Hell, even missiles are less expensive for a homing projectile! While yes, I do expect to see most meta battleships with at least one plasma cannon as a secondary or primary, it won’t break the game. Remember, PAC systems have no counters but nobody is complaining about it.
I agree, its expensive so it wont break anything. While this can be useful vs your average HA wedged frontsider, its just a fun thing. The facts remain that 3D CRAM and non rail APS are the only real options for serious systems.
Energy shields
You forgot to mention that plasma is absolute useless against submarines, it loses damage extremely fast underwater
Very valuable info.
I added a little pinned comment incase anyone thinks this is a new submarine weapon
The Sims grade as a weapon designed for well have any of you ever played free space to the plasma cannon kinda reminds me of one weapon in particular Kaiser I'm looking at you so get a fast Airship make for very powerful plasma cannons or one ultra-powerful plasma cannon if you're based and watch the enemy melt
a one million plasma ball should indeed be made! :D
Plasma seems like a silly addition to me. We had no need for yet another counter to compact armour and yet another CIWS option (with the 20 AP destabiliser), new ways to target spaced armour would be way more interesting than this
This indeed leads to onion armour designs... But other than boosting thump, idk how to deal with air armour
seams kind of op right now :D
yeah, but remember they are extremely expensive too!
This will probably get nerfed before reaching stable, or in the coming months. The cost of a charged plasma gun is insanely low for such high damage, even if the fire rate eventually dies out
I was fooled al along! they launched it to stabile and alpha at the same time LOL
But I agree that charge plasma is quite good,, perhaps too good lol, we shall test this!
@@GMODISM indeed we shall, and keep up the good content!
3rd viewer , shold have typed this before watching 30min into the video
This seems to me like APS and Laser had a baby
INDEED ✨
now build it into a ship
This thing made into a ship?!
just a ship with plasma weapons on it will do :D
How are you shooting the plasma cannon without having to also be looking at the armour block?
I'm pretty sure he has them on an ACB.
yeah i did, btw the general version of my platform is on steam, it fires all weapons on "t"
its not in alpha. its in stable
haha yeah it's _ALSO_ in alpha, they rolled it out to both, I kinda just assumed alpha gets it first because common sense
love your videos and your content, but please stop saying "in any case" so often.
haha sorry some things I just say all the time.. love that username though, reminds me of a certain battleship!
bro your key taps are really annoying.... set up that damn mic correctly
Soz mate, you probably don't wanna check out my asmr channel, I have one tbh
Don't expect this to be released for a long long time. Considering Land Adventure is still in beta branch after 6 or 7 months. maybe more. Devs are super lazy in this game.
what?
It's already in the stable branch. XD
@@BorderWise12 All i see is the Sea Adventure mode. How do i find the land version ?. I read a post on steam recently it was still not released.
@@BorderWise12 Just tried again to start one & only put's you into the sea version. No options to switch to the land one. Auto joins upon clicking start new adventure. Had to double check..
@@ddssrr1614 select the planet “ashes of the empire” on the main menu