"Tamiya Silver Can vs Torque Tuned vs Sport Tuned Motor Test + More!" Part 2
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- čas přidán 24. 02. 2021
- This is part 2 of my Stock Motor comparison, AGAIN, this is just a base line that i use, other dyno's may/will show different specs/rpm's. these video's also show/tell how i break in motors. Remember, a clean & oiled motor is a happy, faster motor.
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My mistake, the Tamiya Super Stock BZ motor has fixed timing, it IS NOT adjustable. you can take the motor apart, cut off the timing lug, then you can adjust the timing... thats up to the you, i wouldn't.
I have the same motor dyno, motor storage box, trinity speed gems motor in the box, motor spray, and tamiya sport tuned motor. When I saw your video, I thought it was me! lol great video!
lol, Thanks Brother. sadly, that dyno is no longer available.
Thanks for the videos, Bob! Looking forward to more videos like this. Especially the Tamiya motors going head-to-head and including the vintage motors in there.
Thanks Mark, I have a set of Trinity Retro Series motors i could do (dont have the Retro Series Green Machine 3 Pro stock motor...yet) I have an Epic, Reedy & Fanton motor as well.
I also just subscribed to your ch.
@@UncleBobsRC all good stuff! Looking forward to future videos! I just bought a lot of 8 motors on eBay. It looks just like the case of motors you have in this video! Same Fantom motor and everything!
@@markjemiolo6711 Sweet & Thanks, Good luck with the motor lot, I probably seen those too, lol. Brushed motors are really hard to find (or they cost an arm & leg) and maintaining them, Team Trinity & Team Brood still have brushes & springs... Thanks again for the kind words, Stay Safe. (New Mod Motor test coming up in the near future).
A great experiment, Bob - after watching this I want a BZ motor! Great stuff, my friend! :)
Thanks Mark, glad you liked it. the BZ motor does get warm so i recommend a fan (i never used one though) on it, just like most stock motors (other than the silver can 540) they are mostly used for 4 or 6 minute heats with a good cool down in between.
Tamiya says use the BZ within gear ratio's between 9:1 to 11:1, just a heads up.
@@UncleBobsRC Thanks for the info, buddy, very useful stuff to know! :)
Hi Bob, informative bench testing, great work 😉
Thanks John, i did what i could with what i had, i have 7 modified motor i was going to do but none can really be found in this day & age.....we shall see what happens. Thanks again for the kind words, stay safe my friend.
@@UncleBobsRC i have subscribed and eagerly await some more. Keep yourself safe and well 😉
Oooh the super stock 😍
If you think that BZ motor is fast swap the bushings for bearings. made a huge difference
You only get maybe 500 to a 1,000 rpm, maybe...But, that sounds like another dyno video....
So: silver can 17K @ 7.4v
sport tuned 20.5K @ 7.4v
torqued tuned 20.5K @ 7.4v
There are rumors current "new" Sport tuned silver can is also 25T just like the torqued tuned, and your dyno test seems to prove that as well. Your thoughts? Thanks for the very recent benchmarking work.
(Also, these 2 vids could've easily been edited down to < 10 minutes...)
as far as i remember Tony yes, that is a silver can sport tuned motor, i just painted it black (box claims its a 23 turn), looks better to me. ah yes, the editing, im not pc savoy, new to this stuff and no clue what im doing but Thank You for watching & the comment.
Thanks a lot my friend, great vid (and part one too). 'got an eagle racing dyno, great stuff too. I have to try to break in with a slave motor, it seems to be the best way. What is that magical oil for the brushes you use ? Thanks again it was great.
Thanks friend, I don't oil the brushes, just the bushings & bearings. That is Team Trinity Black Death Comm Drops (it can be used on the brushes, just a drop on each for extra rpm). It was the only light oil I had for the bushings. I will have to look up your dyno. Thanks for watching & the comment!!!
@@UncleBobsRC Oh yes oil for the bushings (sorry i'm French...not brushes but bushings...) Thank you very much Bob , you've got a new sub ! Take care.
That BZ Motor shocked me!! 22K at 6 volts! 😲
I've got to find me one of those Motor Testers. Since I'm starting soon on twin Motor Trucks, that would be quite a tool. 👍👍
I often get 7.5-7.7V on my 2S Lipos...
Have you tried any of those at 11.3V? I often run 3S on my Tamiya and Axial Vehicles.
i dont run 3s, i did in my Losi LST2 brushless but only one pack. The BZ, like the RZ & TZ are all 23 turn motors with locked timing (but you can cut the lug off the endbell to have it adjustable), It shocked me too, thats far better than what the box says (also the gearing range for that motor is on the box)...I was just using the voltage listed on the pack, yes, voltage is higher but i did it that way for giggles.
I figured. Very impressive for base voltages! Back in the day, I Raced with Trinity Monster Stock Motors. Couldn't measure them, but they were fast. 👍👍
This video is just what I was looking for. I just finished a Rally Beetle that comes with the Torque Tuned motor. It runs quite well, but I was wondering whether the Sport Tuned (or something else) would be better and what the differences were. This answered that question. Go with Super Stock BZ or maybe a sensored brushless motor that only costs 25 - 40 bucks more than the Sport Tuned.
Awesome Jeffrey, sorry for the late reply, I just now seen your comment. the BZ motor is a beast, it almost blew the tires off of my well tuned touring car (Tamiya TA-02 RS) as with all TA-02 chassis it is 4wd, with wide 30mm rear tires and rear sway bay, on 2S it was almost uncontrollable, it shocked me. It all depends on what your doing with the RB, racing, rally, parking lot, drag racing........... Good luck, would like to a video of your RB.
@@UncleBobsRC Thanks for the reply. I run this car on a nearby parking lot that has some very uneven section and areas where the asphalt has been lifted by tree roots and on a dirt trail with open dirt sections down the street from my place. I did end up getting the BZ motor, along with a quickrun 1060 ESC (my understanding is that the factory TBLE 02 would not be up to the task of running that motor).
To call this motor a beast is an understatement. I speed tested the car running the torque tuned and the 1060 with NiMH and hit 13.6 MPH. I put in the BZ and with the NiMH it hit 18.6. Using a 2s LIPO got me to 19.5.
This BZ motor and all the torque it had brought to light a couple of other upgrades that were needed when using it. I found that the car would not only smoke all four tires under heavy acceleration but it also caused torque steer and chassis twist which made the car hard to control. I put oil filled dampers on it to soak up the chassis shock and put the upgraded steering kit on it which is all metal (servo saver and horn). Those two things helped a bunch in making it easier to control.
@@JeffreyAu1 Awesome man, again sorry, for the very late reply, as you may or may not know, posts have been kinda funky for a few months, I did not see your comment till this morning (it didn't pop up like they should). What chassis ae you running?
@@JeffreyAu1 By the way, I still have the BZ in my Tamiya TA-02RS & my Daughter has one in her Tamiya TT-02 with Castle Creation SV3 brushed/brushless esc, we run on 2S all the time.
@@UncleBobsRC It is an MF-01X chassis.
When i first got into RC i use to kill a "speed gem" weekly 🤣 my little XTM stadium truck was always in the pursuit of the best top end and those Little motors suffered immensely for it 🤣🤣🤣
Same here till I learned it cost me money every time I burned up a motor. It was about 3 months later I read in RCCA magazine (1989 or so) that motors don't like high power for long and they need maintenance after every 3 runs or so, and that's for @10 mins of run time each or 30 mins total.
@@UncleBobsRC i eventually learned also but picked up one of Novaks first brushless esc motor combo. Man i paid out the nose for that thing and had to swap it out for my brush setup every weekend so i could race. It was considered black magic/voodoo at the track back then 🤣
@@jordancoleman2402 I hear ya, I didn't try brushless till about 2014, I put a Castle system in my Losi mini LST (the first gen), it was a 9,000kv motor on a Dynamite 2S lipo, man that thing was fast..... Then I learned speed breaks parts faster. I still want to do a Mod Motor test but the prices of used motors is crazy nuts!
@@UncleBobsRC that would be an awesome test to see!!! Maybe reach out to viewers to donate some. I have a few in a stash at my parents house.
Is this a brushed motor can I put this in my regular r cars Blackfoot lunch box and what kind of motor is that sir
They are all brushed motors. Yes, i dont see why any of them wont work in a Blackfoot or LunchBox, However, Most of these motors are not being made anymore (the Tamiya motors are still available though).
Good day sir may i ask ? Do you have a old motors that you dont use anymore
Cause im in need of a motor and i think i could use your help to build my Mini Drag boat Or mini banca here in the Philipines . A viewer from the philipines
Im sorry for my English its not verry good
Thank youuu .
Im sorry my friend, I just started to collect motors myself. You said your building mini's, these are full size 540 motors. Have you looked on Ebay? Thats where i got my motors from. Thanks for Watching & i wish i could help but as i said, i just started to collect motors (some were NOT cheap).
Hi, what is brand name of that motor dyno and dyno stand also where did you purchase it from.
Thanks
It's an APS Racing Dyno-Charger. It comes with the motor stand with the sensor. The Plastic double motor work stand is RPM. Both Items i bought off EBay. Thanks for Watching & the comment.
@@UncleBobsRC Thank you
I fitted ball bearings to my Tamiya RZ motor, to get the most efficiency out of it. I wonder what the difference would be, Over stock. Battery run time, top speed & RPM?
I use to do that 30 years ago, as for the RZ, I wonder what and how much it would really gain. Thank You for the view and comment, stay safe & stay healthy.
@@UncleBobsRC i want to know also
@@rexrcs I'm not brave enough to try it. LOL
@@UncleBobsRC lol
Thank you for the comparison. So the BZ is around 3800kv, Do you know how the torque is compared to 3800kv brushless motor?
Thanks for the view. No I don't, sorry. That would be hard to compare. A brushed motor motor produces torque low in its rpm range, as for brushless motors, I don't really know, but I think they produce torque throughout the RPM range (I could be wrong). My daughter has a BZ in her TT02 chassis with hi-speed gears, my friend has a TT01 with a Tekin 3200kv motor and stock gears, both using a 2S Lipo and just about the same speed. I don't know much about brushless motors, you should check out some other videos about brushless motors. Again, Thanks for the view and comment, stay safe & always hammer down and have fun!
@@UncleBobsRC Thank you for the reply and kind words. I also have a TT02 as well. What pinion is used in your daughter's car? What's the highest gear ratio do you think the BZ could reliably run on a TT02 without overheating?
@@tuananhphamcong344 The Tamiya BZ Super Stock Motor box says its to run on a gear ratio between 9.1 through 11.1, I think I have hers set 19 tooth pinion & 68 tooth spur, gear ratio is 9.31:1 (not sure on that but should be close to it) It seems to be ok but we only do like a 5 to 8 min road course races with cool down time in between heats. On my TT-02 Type SR, I run a 3200kv brushless, 23 tooth pinion (steel pinion, I just put it in) with 68 tooth spur gear. Gearing all depends on what you want from the car, some people want top speed, others like to race and be able to control the car around the corners. Bottom line, Its all up to what you want to do. Tamiya tires are easily over powered and will loose grip, foam tires help. Its like using your real full size car, go as fast as you can then try to make a 90 degree turn at speed, it just wont do it. Hope this helps & all the best to you & good luck my friend.
@@UncleBobsRC Thanks so much my friend! Looks like the stock gearing is always a good starting point, then gear up or down depends on how the car run and motor temp. Thank you again and all the best to you too!
BZ look good :-) Does it need break in?
Thanks Man for the view. I recommend breaking in any brushed motor, the method is up to you (caution if using the water method with motors with the a pc board (caps) on/in them, removal of them is best. I break in all my motors with @ 4 volts or use of a slave motor. Time for any break in varies, water is faster hence it cuts the brushes really fast, care is needed for this way. I mostly use the low voltage @ 4 volts for 20 mins and check/repeat if needed, slave motor way does not put power into the motor and takes the longest. Either way, always watch the temps & brushes (most of the time I stop just as the brushes are fully seated or just before). Then clean them with electric motor cleaner (RC) then just a drop of light oil on the bearings or bushings. Hope this helps as this is lost to brushless and RTR RC vehicles.
can you drift with that kind of motors sir?
I'm not sure if stock motors will do a drifter car any good. Maybe if someone was just starting out in the sport they will work but I don't know for sure. Thanks for watching & the sub!!!
Tq tuned is 5% slower then sport
Oops, i said 23 turn ESC, meant to say 23 turn motor.....