Lee was the protagonist of the "hard work can overcome lack of talent" thematic and he got defeated by Gaara, eventually barely recovered and remained a side character without any major actions for the rest of Naruto. The philosophical message here is that if you're born without talent, you can try really hard and even shatter your human limits but you're still not gonna overcome the people that were chosen by fate. You can't be Hokage unless you were born special.
No neji was wrong beacause he said hokages were destined to be hogake you cant just try being it.This was wrong beacause we all kno in boruto(spoiler alert)he baeacame the hokage therefore nejis guess of narutos future was wrong
@@kmgyeningLol he literally inherited the powers of a God not for merit but for sheer destiny and you say Neji wasn’t right and that he’s cherry-picking? Delusional af man
Right and it's really sad because both him and his dad died to protect the main branch it was their only real decision they made for themselves with is really bullshit in my opinion.
ironic thing is, for neji to truly be right, he’d have to follow his destiny too, which was to die protecting hinata he gave his speech about forgiving the main branch and loving his father but he was still right, he was always rightfully mad at destiny i’d be too if i had a swastika on my head literally used to forever curse, control and kill me
Lol no. I mean, everyone works hard in Naruto, including Naruto and even Sasuke. If you want to talk about talent, even those 3 you mentioned are blessed with incredible abilities. People like to suck off Might and Lee, but only those two have the broken ability to open 8 gates and their Taijutsu is unbeatable. Sakura always had the talent to control chakra. If you want to say a real no talent who actually worked their way up, look at someone like Tenten or Iruka.
@@TyTimeIsAwesome they all worked for all their power. Fok has Iruka got? They went from zero abilities to overpowered from their own hardwork. Do you think Guy and Lee just woke up and opened gates? Do you think Sakura just took a nap and unlocked byakugou seal? Fok outta here with your uncultured bs.
@@olajong2315 And Naruto, Neji, Sasuke, and them didn't work for their power (okay maybe not Sasuke)? They didn't train just as hard? Risking their life just as Lee and Gai did? Your logic doesn't make any sense cause you think that only Guy and Lee are the only ones who train hard. Every one of them trained just as hard. People like you probably go through life thinking you're Rock Lee and work harder than anyone- but guess what, everyone works just as hard. Get out of your own head.
@@TyTimeIsAwesome I said they all worked for their powers. But these ones worked FOR ALL OF TGEIR POWER. How hard is that to grasp? This ain’t rocket science.
Man Rock Lee beat a title to master that beat Guy sensei on top of all that Rock Lee fought Gaara almost beat him basically saying any of these lost was against ponies that was really really strong
it would be so nice if Guy's kick caused Madara to get taken over by Kaguya and Guy died in the process. Madara being a reincarnation of a god and Guy being a lot of hard work after being "just the eternal genin's son"
I also think hard work was one of the theme’s of Naruto. But I think the main theme of Naruto may have been understanding others pain, which I think is reflected in his ‘strongest’ jutsu: talk no jutsu. Though Naruto isn't a stranger to hard work, cause I know he worked hard for some of his powers. but I think the understanding pain theme fits more with Naruto himself cause a lot of the time in his fights he sees that his opponent is suffering/ has suffered just like he has already suffered and he wants to help his opponent to stop this suffering and lead them to a path without/ with less suffering. and I know that some people say that he uses talk no jutsu because he can't beat them without it, but I think that even if he could beat his opponents with ease he would still use talk no jutsu to help his opponent's. p.s. I didn't think about this theme of my own, I saw some time ago someone commenting that 'understanding others pain' is the theme of Naruto, and this resonated with me cause I felt like this may be true. though except from the theme I thought of it myself.
Its funny cuz Neji was literally going against his destiny by hurting Hinata the one person he is supposed to protect while saying no one can go against their destiny.... and then DIED PROTECTING HINATA
And guess what happend??? He died dor literally bo reason, his death didn’t change the course of the story. Only a sad moment and than everything just kept going on, atleast if hinata died boruto wouldn’t have existed
@@daisuke2795 god I wished hinata died, confessed to naruto big sad moment, naruto grows up in that moment and becomes the man to become hokage beats the bad with sasuke and useless and bam end of series with a epilogue showing naruto is best chief
As a long term fan of the series, I've always said the same thing. "Fate doesn't matter, it's all about working hard toward your dreams...but it also helps if you are literally reincarnated alien jesus, who was trained by the most elite scholars and soldiers of your generation."
He did tho when it comes to the cycle of ashura and indra. That's why it was the only piece of destiny he could defy. Because he was told about it prior.
Plus the son of the greatest Hokage of his time, one of the last heirs to the Uzumaki clan, making him a direct descendant of Ashura as well as his reincarnation, so he's not only ninja jesus he's also ninja royalty. And his first birthday present was the power of the nine-tailed fox.
What's even worse is the fact that neji died like his father protecting the members of the main family. Basically throwing the entire conflicting ideology of neji vs Naruto. Cause they really didn't make their own destiny but fulfilled pre determined one. Justice for neji man, not only he died from a toothpick and his potential was thrown out the window his story was also disrespected.
So basically, what the writers of Naruto realized, is that it's next to impossible to make a nobody a somebody, so... they had no choice but to make Naruto, an actual somebody, in disguise of a nobody, so as to uplift real-life nobodies while shaming the somebodies of society! But they couldn't make Naruto a real nobody cz in reality, a nobody can NEVER be a somebody...it's very rare
@@Axel-ye8tt as a kid, naruto had 100 times the chakra reserves of kakashi, the strongest jonin in konoha at the time, thanks to his uzumaki heritage. he had an incredibly strong life force thanks to him being the reincarnation of ashura and having the 9 tails which made it pretty much impossible to kill him even if u tried. as we later learn from jiraya, he is also incredibly talented in anything chakra related and the only reason why he sucked at it in the beggining was because of the seal placed on him and kurama messing with his chakra flow. he learnt rasengan in a few days, learnt to walk on water immediately, created rasen-shuriken, something nobody else was capable of doing and mastered sage mode probably the fastest out of everybody.
@Axel-ye8tt naruto is shown to have the worst Chakra control and the only way he was able to pull off so many shadow clones was because he would brute force it with kurama's Chakra. I call that hacks because no other ninja could afford to be as careless as he was (other than Gaara I guess).
It’s also worth mentioning that Neji didn’t just die protecting Naruto, he also save Hinata at the same time which technically was his entire reason for being alive if we’re being honest
@@nikamoreillus661 100% I’m just talking about the clan’s perspective, I hope no one thinks I personally believe Nejis only reason for existence was to die for Hinata because that’s not what I meant at all. I’m only pointing out the he ironically died doing what the Hyuga clan would label as the correct course of action. Obviously the entire point though was him giving up his life to save those he loved, which was indeed a choice that he made (like a fucking boss I might add) the same way his father made a choice on how he was going to give his life for his brother. They however chose to protect their family rather than sacrifice themselves because they were ordered to do it.
@@raven_nevermore888 being verbally abused for 12 years then being paid a million dollars afterwards? Sign me up buddy, that's far better than situations most of us are in. Hell we already get bullied and still didn't get any inheritance 😂
it wasn't a loan. More like his trust fund/inheritance because Kushina actually had it first. Then someone stole it from her and Minato took it back. Then gave of it to Naruto and kept the rest for himself. Maybe it was just in case some bullshit happened and naruto needed the rest of it.
No Lee is a better representation. He’s born with just poor chakra control Naruto’s version which was the I have too much chakra so I need to do high consumption jutsus, he worked his ass off all his life to make up for this, became the best Taijutsu user in Naruto through pure effort and hard work without any talent or Kekkei Genkai to back him up while he had Guy as a teacher Sakura was gifted with good control of her chakra and a high intellect hence why Tsunade took her on in the first place. Lee was the best representation of the ideals Naruto preached since he worked his ass off even when he was supposed to be taking it easy by order of Tsunade
@@yaseerbeig8611 the cripple and the background character vs literally the strongest woman on the planet (aside from aliens) isn't really much of a competition no hate towards guy and lee it's just that even though sakura started slightly higher than them she ended way higher than them it probably would be different if we actually saw the training they go through to unlock eight gates but since we saw kakashi open them aswell it doesn't seem like the training is that much
@@tmoose4688u on drugs or something? Remember might dai? Might guy's father, the training for practicing eight gates was so darn intense that he could not work the rest of the day after training, it was so intense that he had to remain a genin, does that mean he's weaK? Lol, remember he's the same guy who beat 7 ninja swords man of the mist and reduced the number to 3 and whatever sakura is she couldn't have even touched madara let alone do damage, but guy almost made madara fear for his life he said that himself Altho yea sakura technically personifies that concept more than naruto, but guy and lee do that way more than sakura does, guy and lee can litterally not even use shadow clone justsu properly but still unlike sakura who was always left behind by naruto and sasuke, guy kept up with them without any talent, but with sheer hardwork and dedication. Also the training might not have been shown to unlock the eight gates but u definetly can get some idea from the fact that dai had to stay a genin bcuz of it's intensity altho he could easily be kage level (atleast somewhaf closer) if he used the eight gates
@@user-cu5tm3qj8c i aint replying to allat cus nobody got time for that but you said sakura couldn't lay a hand on madara when she punched kaguya who is more powerful than madara so your logic is flawed and the shadow clone jutsu is a forbidden technique that barely anyone knows them not knowing it isn't the big feat you're making it out to be
Naruto went from a random orphan in the village. To us finding out, he is a reincarnation of the first Hokage, the son of the forth Hokage, and was trained by both the top candidate for fifth Hokage and the man who became the sixth Hokage!
@@Primordial-Prime Both Hashirama and and Naruto are reincarnations of Ashura. Making Hashirama a past life of Naruto. Hence Naruto is a reincarnation of Hashirama.
Also the fact that all the previous Hokages were chosen by others and not the community. Hashirama chose his brother Tobirama who then chose Hiruzen (Tobirama's student) who then chose Minato (the student of the student of Hiruzen) after which it reverted back to Hiruzen and went back to Hashirama's grand daughter then it went to Minato's student and then back to Minato's son who's also the reincarnation of Hashirama. Meaning every single Hokage can be linked back to Hashirama.
Well the community kinda chooses them as they are still loved and they are chosen for their skills and leadership abilities. Yeah but that is really a coincedence, it's more so about their skills and leadership abilities.
Except Hashirama chose Madagascar to be the first Hokage, and then suggested him for 2nd when he got 1st. It was the Village that chose the brothers, whilst Masada lost faith in the whole idea and left on his own.
Lee's loss to Gaara wouldn't necessarily prove that at all. Neji offered no way of reliably determining the predictive power or truth value of his beliefs, and any attempt at determining whether events in any person's life was due to destiny probably would have been post hoc reasoning.
Naruto's story makes a lot more sense when you retextualize it to represent differences of reputaiton, rather than differences of power (both innate and political). Naruto is hated by the village, spat on and shunned, but through hard work and dedication he becomes a beloved leader.
@@Codyslxnepotism only works if the person: Didn’t have any experience Have “Alive” family members that could promote the individual themselves or was promised Naruto was trained to be Hokage and Naruto’s family is dead. He wasn’t sworn in the position from the get go. He had to actually work for it.
@@Markc8716 lol no. you can have experience and still benefit from nepotism. No, you don’t need an “alive” relative to benefit from nepotism, the factor that you’re trying to deviate from is called “legacy”.
@@GodsonSublime it only works as nepotism when the person was a shoe in for the seat even if the person was unqualified for it. No one expected Naruto to be sworn in. He had to work for it and by then, everyone wanted him to be hokage
I'd have to agree yeah. Doesn't really matter if he himself was unaware as the universe was aware of his destiny and potential. Having literally set him up with the best shit.
@@SGalaxyify one could argue that was his destiny as he had the tools to accomplish it. I doubt someone without his strength would have been able to stop madara or kaguya and bring this dream to bare
Potential means nothing if they do not use it for anything, Naruto had ambition. At most he got traded his parents for the most powerful tailed beast, even so he could not really control Kurama. At most he beat Neji with a bunch of shadow clones and with Kurama. If Naruto was not strong enough to believe in himself I doubt he would have beaten Neji in their match. If destiny was so kind with handing off upgrades, then maybe Hinata and Naruto could have been strong enough to protect themselves so Neji would not have to sacrifice himself. Either way working together is generally better than working alone, even if there are people that have more destiny aiding them it does not mean crud if they do not have enough power to protect others as well as themselves. If Neji was so certain about the ones born closer to the destiny road being the ones to rise above, than he either believed his destiny was to die there or he believe even someone with less destiny could protect someone who had more destiny. Even people without any inherited or added powers through zero effort can still become powerful. Sakura is a good example of this, at most she a strong fighter, intelligent, possess stellar chakra control, and learned the 100 healing thing from Tsunade.
@Andrew I agree so Sakura should be the name of the show if that's the goal lol But if naruto has all these amps and all he needs to do is apply himself I can see it as just being himself carrying out his divine roll of ending the cycle
@@christopherperez1252 If they wanted Sakura to be the focus they could, but the name is set for Naruto. So Naruto is set as the focus on the story. They could do as they please long as it is interesting.
To be honest it’s why I love Rock Lee and Guy. Boys came from literally nothing and simply trained untill they could keep up with shinobi gods. Anyone can learn the 8 gates, but only a master can perfect them with ungodly amounts of training
@@Factual3218 every other villain, like kimimaro and Gaara? Honestly I can't remember the last significant W Lee has gotten since bullying Sasuke before the chuunin exams.
Oh my, I just realized that😭 EXCEPT that despite Minato not coming from a clan, he had an un-normal amount of chackra becs his teleportation jutsu cost so much that it takes 3 average jonin(I think they were) to make it! yet he can teleport more that 3 times and still not be tired
Bruhhh u people still don't get it do u??? Wake up man!!!! Minato was a born talent and a genius to begin with. U think that guy worked hard for his strength or speed?? No he did not. That's the whole point, he was gifted, he was known as the yellow flash because he was gifted and had the talent or being fastest. He wasn't someone like Lee or Guy Sensei who trained their as* off for their speed. Minato ain't a great character. He's overrated. The real great characters are Guy Sensei, Lee, Jiraya etc.
This is honestly my biggest gripe about the Naruto series. It starts as an underdog series and then just back pedals on all that, making Naruto super special.
Super Special? Bro Naruto had to lived a life as a hated orphan. He had to fight for the right to be recognized as someone you can count on and cared for. If Naruto didn’t have to go through all the bull he had to face but still become hokage would make that valid but he didnt
@@Markc8716 how am I coping? Without kurama or being an uzamaki naruto is dead in part 1. He only got to where he did because of learning how to use the gifts handed to him on a silver platter by nature of being born who he was. So nice weak rebuttal.
@@Greenyt1234 by taking out all the positives while still keeping the negatives aspects in Naruto’s life. If Kurama was not sealed inside him, he wouldn’t have to fight tooth and nail to show everyone he can be a ninja. “Handed to him on a silver platter?” In what rose tinted glasses have you been using to watch Naruto? Boy has been struggling since day 1. Having big chakra doesn’t mean instant win, he had to struggle using chakra considering barely anyone taught him. Not to mention because of the big ball of chakra we call Kurama, he had to endure mental trauma from the village. Knowing you’re hated by an entire village full of trained assassins tends to put a little incentive in that trauma as well. Kurama was a negative from the start and him being of Uzumaki blood is also a negative considering NO ONE taught him how to make seals until later on. You’re coping because you don’t want to admit that Naruto had to actually work for his achievements and instead make it out as though he would gain these achievements eventually.
Neji's beliefs didn't appear to have strong predictive power though. NCHammer just cherrypicked some experiences from a single character to support his argument. Naruto's experiences did not represent the majority of people in their world.
I hate that people still believe that _hard work beats talent_ is the theme of Naruto!🙄 If this is the case, then why did Kishimoto have Rock Lee get oneshoted by Garra and remain relevant for the rest of the series? 🤔 Hard work is important and effective, *HOWEVER* there is *ALWAYS* someone superior to you, like Haku and Itachi by Kakashi's own words. Naruto and Sasuke are gifted but they work extremely hard. Kirin and Rasenshuriken were made by hard work.
@@happilyevernever4289 No they did not, you just were not paying attention like everyone who believes this. Naruto was never about hard work beating talent Naruto never EVER uttered words like that. You guys all self inserted your themes and got mad when it didn’t turn out the way you wanted. If Neji was right Naruto would’ve KILLED Sasuke. He That’s all there is to “Destiny”
Nah, bro, Naruto's destiny was technically to A. Kill or get killed by Indra's reincarnation, or B. Fall into the circle of hatred(w/ the 9 Tails being the manifestation of hatred and all). I agree that Naruto wasn't low born at all, but this brings up the age ole saying that every detractor has, "Lee should have been the main character." And they would be right if the main theme of the show was "Hardwork vs. Talent"(like it was in the Chuunin Exams), but it's actually about the cycle of hatred. Something Naruto encapsulates perfectly.
Don't forget, Naruto was also watched after by the third hokage, who chose best teacher (Kakashi) to train him. The equivalent of hiring a high end private tutor
Bro, all the students were taught by accomplished jonin😒,they all had private tutors And kakashi wasn't the best one, the fallout of team 7 was his fault, he admits it in shippuuden And the 3rd hokage didn't do crap for Naruto past the bare minimum
@@stevetherush1193 yes, they all had private tutors. But who was "the hardest tutor" the person who taught the toughest lessons with a high failure rate because of how strong he was? They talked up Kakashi from the beginning. And when I said watched over, I meant that literally. We've seen the Third literally watching Naruto with a crystal ball. They've had personal chats together. He was being looked after. No parents, but somehow had a place to live, money for food? Who paid for that?
@@lootcat1230 kakashi didn't have a high failure rate because of strength, it was because of his "teamwork" bells thing, he pressured them mentally into not working together and promised them a pass if they destroyed their teamwork... The third paid for that, but that's not how you raise a child after promising your predecessor to take care of him, especially while the villagers treat him like sh*t
@@nicholasrolison926 what are you even talking..... The death reaper seal that Minato used to seal kurama was an uzumaki technique...... Minato divided kurama into 2 and sealed it inside Naruto because no one can absorb full kurama except pure uzumaki and Naruto would've immediately died if Minato sealed full kurama inside him.... Minato used 8 seal technique(its a special technique that help bijuu to slowly release his chakra every time so that jinchuriki can use it whenever in need..... Thats why naruto never lost a single battle of death anytime he used full potential..... This is also an uzumaki seal...... Minato knew high level sealing because of Mito uzumaki directly indirectly both) Kushina uzumaki had no parents Mito taken care of her......
@@Krishna-pd6iw I mean, all of this just sort of results in "Naruto has to give up his parents and be alienated in the village + pawn in Madaras plans". Also, "never lost a battle to the death where he used his full potential"? Are we ignoring that time he died in the war? Kuramas powers were also a detriment a fair bit of the time.
The exact same thing happened in bleach. When Ichigo fought byakuya he was wondering how Ichigo had the spiritual pressure to activate bankai. He literally said that individual with such power could not have come from a regular human. As it turned out Ichigo had royal blood and every genetic advantage
Yeah but Bleach never made the point that Naruto tried to make. Bleach was always about whoever is the most powerful and smart is at the top (unless we're talking about the Deities of Ichibei and the Soul King)
The difference is that everyone whoet Ichigo thought he was a freak of nature. Ichigo himself had no clue, he didn't know about his parents' origins until very late into the story.
And since the beginning, we knew that Ichigo wasn't normal and was overpowered for a human. Then it was revealed he wasn't a normal human, and little by little each piece of his heritage unfolded. He's so strong, he was going to be made into the soul king by Ichibei if things went wrong
@@muhammedahmed3291 Exactly. And those who knew about his heritage wanted to help him get stronger. Aizen threw him progressively stronger enemies to make him stronger, Urahara trained him and pushed him to unleash his own Shinigami/Hollow/Quincy powers, the Vizards helped him control his Hollow powers, Ginjo helped him control his Fullbring and the Royal guard helped him reforge his sword and get stronger spiritually (which in Bleach, understanding oneself means stronger Zanpakuto) Ichigo was the closest one to the most broken character in Bleach (Soul King). Only second to his son, Yhwach
@Star Knight , I’ve always liked Zoro more than Luffy as a character anyway, so even if you use the line of reasoning on hating Naruto you should also hate Luffy for the same reasons then I still like Zoro the most out any Shonen protagonists ever because he actually does work his ass off the hardest; he has no special genetic heritage, or any lineage of at all for that matter unlike the D Clan, and he’s more consistent on his goals of achieving of those goals than Eren Jäeger or Edward Elric are in achieving those goals.
There is still a message in that you must persevere hardships to unlock your hidden true potential. Naruto definately becomes more of a power fantasy as it goes on
Naruto in OG was relatable in the way that he had to struggle physically, being weaker than his peers. Naruto in Shippuden was relatable in that he had to struggle mentally, as everything and everyone around him was trying to drag him into the cycle of hatred.
@@godwinantony4218nah, he had to fulfill his destiny by dying for Hinata (should've died when he fought Kidomaru, would've been more honorable than dying to stick)
@@kendivedmakarig215No, the problem is you're arguing an unfalsifiable position. Just because he was assigned the "fate" of protecting the main branch, and later died protecting a member of the main branch, doesn't mean that that particular action of protecting a member of the main branch was his fate. By that reasoning, I'm sure you would call anything Neji could have conceivably done in favor of protecting the main branch his fate. I also think that your argument relies on circular reasoning.
As much as I love Naruto and Shippuden, I will say this, they literally did make Naruto chosen one basically, proving he was destined to be Hokage no matter what he did
@@hotdogkid9015 she worked for neither she was able to walk up a tree vertically on her first try while natruto and sauke struggled . Gotta give her props for mastering taijutsu and medical nijustsu but she doesn't have Lee level of dedication
@@sujithsudhakaran745 yea of course not but she studied her craft and knew as much as the teachers did when it came to ninjutsu and Chakra flow her parents are normal people and even when she fought ino(even tho it was pathetic at times to watch) Kakshi kept saying how amazing she was for doing the stuff she was doing when she was not part of a clan and was able to do very technical things at her age
Through hard work alone, Guy was able to gain the strength to throw hands with sage of six paths Madara. No enhancements, no tailed beasts, no sage mode, no kekke genkai, just good ol 8 Gates and years of rigorous training. What an absolute unit
Once you figured out that Naruto had ties to so many important figures in the Ninja world, you realized Neji had him read the whole time. The only reason for 90% of his bad childhood was because Jiraiya and the third were absentees.
Only if youre a low level thinker. Neji was the stronger and more talented hyuga despite his destiny as a branch ninja. He fought against his destiny literally every second of every day. He almost beat hinata to death and became the genius of the hyuga lol wtf r u saying
The 3rd Hokage gave Naruto a home (apartment room) and just left him soom after The funny thing is he said he'll promise to take care of Naruto before his parents died
@@mrplatinum5987Yea, the reason that's true is because the main family already decided at some point that they have the power and authority to dictate what the branch family members' roles are while calling that destiny/fate. The fact that a portion of the entire Hyuga clan has made and enforced certain rules for everyone in the clan to follow, doesn't prove anything in favor of Neji's beliefs about destiny.
Neji also predicted his own death. He claimed he would eventually die to protect the main house and then... he died protecting the main house. Naruto fanboys will claim it doesn't count because Neji "Chose" to do it but it doesn't change the fact that he was destined to die that way and then did.
Kabuto would be an interesting protagonist because he’s not great by himself but he’s got the mentality of “If you weren’t born with power just steal it from those who were” and he does pretty good
No. Even before he got Sage Mode, Kabuto was a highly talented shinobi whom Orochimaru claimed was comparable to Kakashi. He was trained by Root to become a spy for Konoha and mastered the art of espionage, managed to press Tsunade in close combat and survived getting hit by a Rasengan at point blank. Best put some respect on my boi Kabi.
@@thisstatementisfalsenothin5312Kabuto is weak without stealing powers. If you are talking about his fight against Tsunade, Tsunade was depressed that time.
Not to mention given the strongest Jōnin as a sensei, and mentored by his legendary godfather. And let’s not forget the Uzumaki chakra. He’s been given the tools to success cloaked in a sob story of a childhood.
Lee is the embodiment of what neji was talking about. Nomatter how hard Lee can practice, he would NEVER get to the levels of people who were born better than him that put in effort.
Im pretty sure Rock Lee is one of the leafs top Jonin without genjutsu or ninjutus so hes pretty much better than people who were born better that put in effort.
Let’s not forget that Naruto is an Uzumaki. His clan is known for amazing sealing jutsu, adamentine chains, large chakra reserves, high lifeforces (which practically means that Naruto was going to have plot armor regardless), was a cousin to the legendary Senju clan, and his clan needed six villages ganging up on them to destroy them. Edit: Thanks for the likes
And he had the fox, in addition to royal blood and the best teachers. Hell, even early in the first series almost everything Naruto achieved was just the result of him having high chakra reserves and nine-tails powers. I mean, he might have only been capable of mass shadow clones because of his Uzumaki chakra. We don’t really see him training harder than anyone else, except when learning jutsu that were passed on to him just because of who he is (e.g. the rasengan). If it wasn’t for his family legacies, Naruto would absolutely be the worst ninja among the main Konoha kids, basically TenTen but dumber and without the cool weapons.
The main theme of Naruto is the cycle of hatred. Naruto's destiny as a reincarnation was to kill or be killed by Indra's reincarnation, while his destiny as a Jinchuriki was to fall into the cycle of hatred. Remember, the child of prophecy would either bring an age of peace or destruction, it was a choice that Naruto had to struggle with the entire show as everyone and the world around him tried to sink him to their level.
@@thewiseyounglad2699 well said! Naruto did defy his destiny. A destiny he have had for hundreds or a thousand years. He did break free from his destiny
Neji also said Naruto was destined to fail. Naruto's point was that he was not gonna fail and that humans can't really judge their destiny from their point of view.
I feel Sakura would a better example because she was born as just a normal child but she worked her way up the ranks to be one of the strongest ninja with kekegenkai tailed beast no nothing but she is one of the strongest ninja in the Naruto universe rn especially because sasuke and Naruto got heavily nerfed
@@John-ml2gh in light novel she does alot hopefully Sasuke retsuden will be animated and they don’t fck with the OG moments and in Boruto she gets her scenes cut out from important meetings they have with naruto Sasuke, SP literally hates her idek why since the beginning they have been making her look bad even changing script and scenes in animation. It’s the worst animation studio ever
she has chakra control second to none. her chakra control is so op that even magekyo sharingan can't put her in genjutsu. she is literally immune to genjutsu. not to mention her IQ is supposed to be only second to Shikamaru. Remember Sakura was the only one that aced the chunnin exams without cheating.. she also had the best teacher in Konoha. two living kegends who both became hokages
@@newt2120 by what makes her ocular genjustu immune. It’s literally said she’s RESISTANT to genjustu not immune Also Hinata didn’t cheat either but that doesn’t matter Best teacher in konoha would probably be gai or kakashi Tsuande is great but she can only teach what she’s good at, that applies to everyone but gai and kakashi have more to them
This is why Sakura despite everyone hating her had the best ascension and best representation of rags to riches. From literal fodder to as strong as if not stronger Tsunade in the war arc, now that's something.
Minato, also. Though we didn't see his ascension, we haven't even been shown a single other member of the Namikaze clan. Even if it was a bit of a filler, we've seen Sakura's parents at least.
His destiny was to fight Sasuke (as the reincarnates always do) and were supposed to kill each other or one would the other as even Naruto says to Sasuke after the 5 Kage Summit. He changes his destiny and ends the cycle of hatred and the cycle of the reincarnates fighting to the death. Plus being born a Hokahe's kid/relative doesn't mean you have more right right than someone else to be Hokage just means he inherent good ninja genes. And Kurama was nothing but a burden to him until he started gaining contorl of his power
Naruto's destiny wasn't to fight Sasuke tho. That was just Black Zetsu always making sure that reincarnations of Sage won't ever get along. Their destiny from the beginning was to stop Kaguya. Also, although I agree that Kurama has always been a burden to Naruto, he had it much easier than other Jinchuriki, since he had only positive part of Kurama in him, as well as was from lineage that excells at seal techniques. Also, once Naruto was being prepared to become Hokage, we've seen him actively trying to skip learning. This part infuriated me so much. And it was also stated that he managed to learn most of his techniques by brute forcing them, putting way too much chakra in them. Ladder part of Shippuden turned Naruto into someone destined for greatness whenever he tried or not.
you already contradicted yourself. firstly, his destiny was to fight Sasuke which he did and they were both reincarnations, and had great ancestry meaning they weren't lowborn, meaning Nehi was still right. you mentioning "just means he inherited good ninja genes" shows ONCE AGAIN that he was not lowborn and has a natural born advantage. and Kurama was a burden? how, because he couldn't control it? so much of a burden he's saved Naruto's life countless times and is the only reason he's alive. the same "burden" who kept Naruto alive before Naruto could control his powers. there was no part of Kurama at all that was a burden, that's pure nonsense
@@icebearnicho8256 in Naruto just because your parents are powerful doesn't mean you will be so my saying he had good genes wpuld be incorrect and intact prove Naruto got to where he was woth hard work. Sure you could say maybe being Minato's kid played a part in it but look at Minato's parents who are they, what did they do no one knows they are potentiallyjust civilians. Look at Sakura her parents are civilians and she surpassed Tsunde (we don't even know Tsunade's parents one of whom is a child of Hashirama). Kurama messed with his chakra a reason why he couldn't originally walk on water. People hated him because he possessed Kurama. All those times Kurama saved his life there was meaning behind it, Kurama wanted to give Naruto his chakra (summoning training, vs Neji, etc) because he knew this would make it easier for him to be released as we see with the 4tails cloak against Orochimaru which Naruto was trying to hold back in 3 tails mode, and in the Pain fight were he gets 8 tails and Kurama is almost released. Kurama doesn't do any of it to protect Naruto he does it for his own benefit. Look at how the people viewed him in his fight vs Neji once the Nine-tails chakra came out. In chapter 671 Hagaromo tells Naruto that he has two sons "One possessed genes containing my powerful chakra, and one did not...this manifest in the most extreme manner." "In short...exceptional older brother Indra...and dunce younger brother Ashura." Ashura Otsutsuki, the son of the Sage of the Six Paths, Hagaromo Otsutsuki had 0 talent if that isn't the most flat out explanation of in the Narutoverse power =/= genes I don't know what is
Neji talking about being "low-born," when all he knew about Naruto was that his parents were dead, while Neji had a Kekkei Genkai and elite martial arts training that can hit your organs was crazy.
My take on Naruto was early on he wanted to be Hokage to finally be noticed, accepted, loved and respected so I always hoped that by the end he would realize he didn't need to be Hokage to get that. Through all the fights and trials of the series he had all that and when the war arc came along the world gave him that as well. I guess a part of me wanted him to be like Jiraiya where he turned down being the Hokage.
I had a very different idea on what the series was supposedly all about. Instead of “Hard work is better than genius/Destiny” I see it as “Not letting the past dictate your present or future”.
That’s exactly the point of the story, I’m a fan but he’s just wrong in this one Naruto could’ve become another gaara at any moment but he didn’t because of his choices to love people If naruto didn’t became a ninja he wouldn’t have befriended all the tails beast If he chose to work/live with the ramen guy he would’ve fought sasuke, died and never break the cycle What people with this argument don’t understand is that destiny/prophecies in the naruto universe are not set on stone they can be changed and they can be broken
The thing about that, you aren't lowborn by what's in your blood, but lowborn by how you are perceived by your peers. A king can become a peasant, but a peasant can't become a king if they are always treated as a peasant. A perfect example of this is what the show does with naruto and gaara's contrasting life experiences. Naruto made it known that even with the difficulties he had, nothing was going to stop him forcing the village to acknowledge him, forging bonds along the way. While with gaara he accepted that he was nothing but the village's monster and his eyes weren't open to till naruto beat his ideals into him. Naruto was in no way set up to be hokage, it's actually surprising he wasn't Anakin'd into being a major part of the akatsuki or even taking it over once he found out his life was in danger. Edit: A lot of you don't read books that aren't manga/manhua/manwha, and it shows. The phrase "are always treated as a peasant" means perceived, which means I was saying no matter how op you are, the people's vision of you comes first. Naruto changed the way they saw him with his own efforts, not reincarnation or the ninetails. You say he is the 4ths son with godly charka control he got from his mom, Kushina, he didn't know that, no one in the village outside a few people knew that. You say he had Kakashi and the 3rd by his side the whole time, he didn't know that, AND they sucked hard at raising him. He's reincarnated from asura and the first, so what? Naruto's life was filled to the brim with hardships before he was even born, the only reason naruto is the way he is that he was written that way, if iruka wasn't there for him forget being hokage, he would have been dead 2 seasons in or the next obito, or WORST. You're repeating info that is YEARS into the future about a topic that I brought up about his upbringing. And what's worst is I've been on your side, all along, saying naruto did go from a peasant to a king because he overcame his weaknesses and turned them into strengths. This is why y'all suck at word problems and English class, you don't fully read stuff, just skim over it.
The anime (Shippuden) and manga(later on) pushed the idea how Naruto was destined for greatness and whatnot after they scrapped the theme in the og naruto, which was better at portraying the stakes imo. Because Naruto felt like a character who can succumb to failure and wasn't a pumped-up demi god. And then you see characters like Lee and the others get sidelined so bad, that it's laughable what you're trynna argue here. The goalpost was shifted in Shippuden. That is undeniable.
@@neerajcherukuri4052 it happened in the very first episode of Naruto, both their childhoods were rough one faced isolation and pseudo hatred the other was dehumanized and feared. Iruka was the only saving grace Naruto had.
@@happilyevernever4289 I'm not gonna bother explaining this anymore. People have their own simplified echo-chamber versions and are allowed to make their own decisions, so who am I to get in the way of that. Maybe actually re-read the first paragraph, if you even did.
And Neiji, member of the branch house, ended up dying to save Hinata, a member of the main house. Imagine how powerful Boruto would’ve been at the gentle fist as just a teen if Neiji was still alive to teach him. And Neiji would’ve been a perfect teacher for Boruto
Neji proves himself wrong, he was a branch member and completely thrashed Hinata, a main branch member. He was respected as a prodigy, and by his death he was stronger than probably all of the main branch.
That's absolutely true but neji still died so therefore no he wasn't completely proven wrong. He still died protecting the main branch it doesn't matter if his action was of free will, he still is dead because he was protecting someone of the main branch just as his destiny prophesied. But to me the ending of Naruto did not have to be written that way it should have been written the opposite and neji should be alive point blake period.
@@bsinita_wokeoneNeji's "destiny" wasn't prophesied, it was assigned to him by the authority of the main branch family, which is just an organized power that was created and maintained by people who look just like him. There was no prophecy involved. If I were in a position of power over you and I told you that your destiny is to jump off a bridge, and at some later point you jumped off a bridge, does that mean that you fulfilled your prophesied destiny, or that you at least did something that someone more powerful than you told you that you were supposed to do?
Naruto wasn’t destined to save the world. He wasn’t destined to succeed he was simply destined to create a great change. We literally hear from the Toad Sage whether its good or bad. And for those saying Neji was right you miss the entire point of why he died. He didn’t sacrifice himself because it was his duty to protect Hinata, like his father he took control of his own fate and chose to die for his cousin. And no Neji’s arguement wasn’t about lowborn vs highborn. It was that people always remain the same Naruto (being deadlast) would never rise above that title. And that he (a prodigy among the Hyuga) would always beat him and (being a member of the Branch Family) will be forced (key word here) to die for the main family. Naruto itself was never truly a story of hardwork its the story of a boy who rose above his circumstances and achieved great things. People focus so hard on the advantages Naruto has they forget the entire message. Its rather disappointing
Thank you for being the person that actually understands the series. The fact that Naruto was a reincarnation of Ashura was not in fact a blessing but a burden it damned Naruto to a fate of only repeating the mistakes of his predecessors leading the cycle of hatred to continue. In other words Naruto was always meant to fail. And unfortunately no one will ever understand that especially within the western audience
@@bardockjr.5793 I also always see people mention how having the 9 tails was such a benefit for Naruto when you forget that he was the first person we know of that was actually able to use Kurama’s power and even then for 90% of the series Kurama’s power made him go crazy. Like we literally see him attack Sakura in part 2 right at the beginning
Also kinda ironic but, neji was a member of the branch family of the hyuga clan; and same as how his father was sacrificed for the preservation of the main family of the hyuga clan, he too died for the future father of the heirs of the main family of the hyuga clan.
Yeah, thats also what made Lee loosing to Garra so crushing, and even Guy with the 8 gates not beating Madara so sad. Lee got stronger than Neji thought he could be, and Madara was also very impressed with Guy, but even as hard work alone can make you great, talent is needed to be the best.
Naruto part 1 is what made naruto fans become naruto fans. What came after we only watched (and still watch in case of Boruto) to see the characters we loved aged
@@D_Owo But Naruto is different. It was prophesized by Gamamaru that Naruto will end ALL conflict and yes that includes Indra and Ashura's conflict as a reincarnations.
@@kendivedmakarig215 did u even watch the scene💀💀💀 it was said that the child of prophecy would end the cycle of hatred in the shinobi world not all conflict otherwise boruto wouldn’t be happening rn. Also naruto wasn’t born as the child of prophecy, nagato and minato were also thought to be the child of prophecy b4 naruto so it clearly isn’t something ur born with
Naruto suffers the same affliction as Rei from the Star Wars sequel trilogy. No name underdog who turns out to be from the best bloodline and not actually an underdog.
I remember seeing a video about Naruto "the self made hypocrite" and how Rock Lee followed the show's message and themes far closer than Naruto ever did.
@@just_an_internet_explorer8038 then hat is the shows message cause it isnt about an underdog and it isnt about forgiving ur enemies the show has no message at all
@@TSH425 since you’ve clearly seen “Naruto, the Self-Made Hypocrite” by PlagueOfGripes Watch the video titled “PlagueOfGripes is WRONG about NARUTO” by HotBoySpicy. HotBoySpicy’s vid will explain the message of the story and that fight clearly, while also going through PlagueOfGripe’s joke vid and deconstructing why his points are garbage. Since PlagueOfGripe’s video was said by PlagueOfGripes himself to be a joke, I don’t see why people took everything he said in his vid as fact.
@@just_an_internet_explorer8038 its cause even if the message of the fight is different from what I said the execution is still shit naruto won a fight using a sneak atk against someone who cant be sneak atked lmao neji legit should have seen naruto coming using his byakugan (he can see underground) the conclusion of the fight is bullshit no matter what the message is
@@TSH425 no it wasn’t lol He can be sneak attacked if his byakugan isn’t in use, which it wasn’t because Neji not only thought Naruto was unconscious, but the amount of energy Neji used for the rotation left him drained.
No he is right and neji should never have lost that fight neji should have been able to see naruto underground since he had his byakugan active kishimoto just not only forgot he was writing an underdog story but he also forgot the core abilities of one of his chars
@@TSH425Nah, bro, Naruto's destiny was technically to A. Kill or get killed by Indra's reincarnation, or B. Fall into the circle of hatred(w/ the 9 Tails being the manifestation of hatred and all). I agree that Naruto wasn't low born at all, but this brings up the age ole saying that every detractor has, "Lee should have been the main character." And they would be right if the main theme of the show was "Hardwork vs. Talent"(like it was in the Chuunin Exams), but it's actually about the cycle of hatred. Something Naruto encapsulates perfectly.
@@thewiseyounglad2699 No they are wrong. A. not true but they may fight B. which he didn't do, he avoided it. He was low born. That wasn't even the main theme of the chunin exams.
It never forgotten. Naruto legit didn't know who his Dad was, and was shunned because of Kurama rampaging the Village. He achieved his dream irregardless even after the fact he found out his Dad was a Hokage and that his parents sacrificed themselves to save Naruto.
True I always reinterpreted that the message is don't let your circumstances take away your willingness to do hard work and determination to achieve what you want.
In terms of Naruto himself, yes. But there are many others that did become incredibly great through their own effort. People like Sakura, Rock Lee and Might Guy.
Naruto was always a show about love and belief in yourself, but also how that can cause you to be naive to the ways of the world and the hearts of others Neji taught him about destiny Haku taught him about loyalty Pain taught him about pain from loss But, Naruto was always teaching everyone the importance of love and understanding and how if even one person connects with you, it can change how you see the whole world This started for Naruto with Iruka and the show remained centered around that core theme throughout, culminating in him finally reconnecting properly with Sasuke healing both the fracture in his village and ninjutsu from its inception It was always about embracing love even if our destiny feels unfair because we always have the ability to choose love or hate for the path we are on, but it will usually depend on our perspective of the situation which is why talk no jutsu is the ultimate power on the show The show was always about healing trauma, even if it was always his destiny it still takes a lot of hard work to start from the bottom and make it to the stop and not allow the circumstances to change who you are inside That is Naruto, never letting power or circumstances corrupt his perception of the world or the love in his heart for people
Let's be honest, Might Guy is the real protagonist of the show. A real self-made man
Frl man
I would say Lee because he got to do what Guy did while also having sex at least once.
Fr either him or lee
Lee was the protagonist of the "hard work can overcome lack of talent" thematic and he got defeated by Gaara, eventually barely recovered and remained a side character without any major actions for the rest of Naruto.
The philosophical message here is that if you're born without talent, you can try really hard and even shatter your human limits but you're still not gonna overcome the people that were chosen by fate.
You can't be Hokage unless you were born special.
Yeah and imagine in the future with more technology Lee obtains Ninjutsu
"Your destiny is decided on birth" - Neji
"No, it's not!" - Naruto, the Child of Prophecy
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Bro is the reincarnation of the god and has the audacity to say that
@@aaryantiwari1793ninja Jesus.
@@Kira22558bruh💀
Kishimoto is actually so clueless
Neiji in heaven: Someone better pick up that phone because I F***ING CALLED IT!
Lmao 😂
No neji was wrong beacause he said hokages were destined to be hogake you cant just try being it.This was wrong beacause we all kno in boruto(spoiler alert)he baeacame the hokage therefore nejis guess of narutos future was wrong
Neji wasn't right though. All NC's really doing is cherrypicking some of Naruto's experiences as evidence and then arguing that's proof.
@@Pixelol1422he become the hokage at the end of Naruto manga
@@kmgyeningLol he literally inherited the powers of a God not for merit but for sheer destiny and you say Neji wasn’t right and that he’s cherry-picking? Delusional af man
Neji was smart enough to die before boruto. That's how strong his Byakugan was
I'm deceased ☠️☠️☠️💀💀 😂😂
He forgot what show he was in and obtained observation haki
Bro on that katakuri shit fr
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Let's not forget that Neji died as he lived. Giving his life for the Main Branch.
Slavery.
You mean giving his life to a branch 😅
@@damianross6504☠️☠️☠️💀💀
Right and it's really sad because both him and his dad died to protect the main branch it was their only real decision they made for themselves with is really bullshit in my opinion.
@@osanyinelbey8581The reason his father even died in the first place is so bullshit that I think Kishimoto was trolling
Pretty sure if Neji would’ve survived the war, he wouldn’t let Naruto live down the fact that he was right and that naruto was wrong
That's why they had to get rid of him. Can't let the one person, who could literally see through the bullshit, survive
@@martianastronaut4917 the stick was just a transformed shadow clone
@@lesouth0348 😂😂😂
@@lesouth0348 I think i like this conspiracy 😂
ironic thing is, for neji to truly be right, he’d have to follow his destiny too, which was to die protecting hinata
he gave his speech about forgiving the main branch and loving his father but he was still right, he was always rightfully mad at destiny
i’d be too if i had a swastika on my head literally used to forever curse, control and kill me
Might guy, Sakura, Lee: We are the real hard workers. No major clan, powerful parents, just hard work.
Jiraiya too
Lol no. I mean, everyone works hard in Naruto, including Naruto and even Sasuke. If you want to talk about talent, even those 3 you mentioned are blessed with incredible abilities. People like to suck off Might and Lee, but only those two have the broken ability to open 8 gates and their Taijutsu is unbeatable. Sakura always had the talent to control chakra. If you want to say a real no talent who actually worked their way up, look at someone like Tenten or Iruka.
@@TyTimeIsAwesome they all worked for all their power. Fok has Iruka got?
They went from zero abilities to overpowered from their own hardwork.
Do you think Guy and Lee just woke up and opened gates? Do you think Sakura just took a nap and unlocked byakugou seal?
Fok outta here with your uncultured bs.
@@olajong2315 And Naruto, Neji, Sasuke, and them didn't work for their power (okay maybe not Sasuke)? They didn't train just as hard? Risking their life just as Lee and Gai did? Your logic doesn't make any sense cause you think that only Guy and Lee are the only ones who train hard. Every one of them trained just as hard. People like you probably go through life thinking you're Rock Lee and work harder than anyone- but guess what, everyone works just as hard. Get out of your own head.
@@TyTimeIsAwesome I said they all worked for their powers.
But these ones worked FOR ALL OF TGEIR POWER.
How hard is that to grasp? This ain’t rocket science.
Bro was literaly called "The child of prophecy"😂😂😂
According to just one person, and even that person didn't know if he really was that child (afterall, he thought Nagato was that child at first)
@@Heigxion Well to be fair anyone could have been the child of prophecy they just all died for the sake of plot. Minato, Nagato etc.
At the end of the show and by frogs, literally no one else. You do remember literally everything he has been through right.
In terms of actually exemplifying the meaning of the show, Lee understood the assignment.... and then lost.
Guy made sure he would show what lee never did
Man Rock Lee beat a title to master that beat Guy sensei on top of all that Rock Lee fought Gaara almost beat him basically saying any of these lost was against ponies that was really really strong
it would be so nice if Guy's kick caused Madara to get taken over by Kaguya and Guy died in the process. Madara being a reincarnation of a god and Guy being a lot of hard work after being "just the eternal genin's son"
Then Lee sucked off Sasuke like everybody else except me
I also think hard work was one of the theme’s of Naruto. But I think the main theme of Naruto may have been understanding others pain, which I think is reflected in his ‘strongest’ jutsu: talk no jutsu. Though Naruto isn't a stranger to hard work, cause I know he worked hard for some of his powers. but I think the understanding pain theme fits more with Naruto himself cause a lot of the time in his fights he sees that his opponent is suffering/ has suffered just like he has already suffered and he wants to help his opponent to stop this suffering and lead them to a path without/ with less suffering. and I know that some people say that he uses talk no jutsu because he can't beat them without it, but I think that even if he could beat his opponents with ease he would still use talk no jutsu to help his opponent's.
p.s. I didn't think about this theme of my own, I saw some time ago someone commenting that 'understanding others pain' is the theme of Naruto, and this resonated with me cause I felt like this may be true. though except from the theme I thought of it myself.
Its funny cuz Neji was literally going against his destiny by hurting Hinata the one person he is supposed to protect while saying no one can go against their destiny.... and then DIED PROTECTING HINATA
Its to prove a point, tsk tsk its not irony 🤝. I know that was his intentions.
Yep yet again proving he’s right 😂
And guess what happend??? He died dor literally bo reason, his death didn’t change the course of the story. Only a sad moment and than everything just kept going on, atleast if hinata died boruto wouldn’t have existed
@@daisuke2795 god I wished hinata died, confessed to naruto big sad moment, naruto grows up in that moment and becomes the man to become hokage beats the bad with sasuke and useless and bam end of series with a epilogue showing naruto is best chief
@@daisuke2795 we would have a tenten and neji child instead of metal lee
As a long term fan of the series, I've always said the same thing.
"Fate doesn't matter, it's all about working hard toward your dreams...but it also helps if you are literally reincarnated alien jesus, who was trained by the most elite scholars and soldiers of your generation."
Alien jesus or a mediocore man?? Ashura is just a mediocore man.
Naruto was never about hardwork Gaara vs Lee showed that 💀
Naruto being the child of prophecy means nothing. It only meant that he had to fight Sasuke 😭💀
@@user-md7qp3gf4rhis greatest best friend.
To be fair Naruto had no idea about any of this.
Thats what I'm saying.
He did tho when it comes to the cycle of ashura and indra. That's why it was the only piece of destiny he could defy. Because he was told about it prior.
@@kobakobakoba dude what crack are you smoking, he didn't know he was a reincarnation let alone who his parents are
Bruh he won that fight thanks to Kurama's chakra
@@yaseerbeig8611but might guy is nejis teacher and he is a prime example of hardwork>> destiny so Neji was wrong
Naruto telling neji that destiny doesn't matter is like a millionaire telling a homeless person that money can't buy happiness
Haha, what? Worst take ever
Shit analogy
@@mattturner5750 ok bro
What
@afellownerd 1 thanks bro.
Naruto is Literally the second coming of Christ, within their Universe. Its wild that they tried to gaslight Neji in believing he was wrong
Seriously. He is the descendant of the person who gave EVERYBODY chakra
@@Cryptic_Diamond the actual son of God 😂😂😂.
Plus the son of the greatest Hokage of his time, one of the last heirs to the Uzumaki clan, making him a direct descendant of Ashura as well as his reincarnation, so he's not only ninja jesus he's also ninja royalty. And his first birthday present was the power of the nine-tailed fox.
What's even worse is the fact that neji died like his father protecting the members of the main family. Basically throwing the entire conflicting ideology of neji vs Naruto. Cause they really didn't make their own destiny but fulfilled pre determined one. Justice for neji man, not only he died from a toothpick and his potential was thrown out the window his story was also disrespected.
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Neji was the one with the low birth in his clan being born in the branch family but yet he was the most blessed Byakugan user in the Hyuga Clan
Neji is the equivalent of the millionaire rich kid making fun of the poor kid in class not knowing he’s Batman
So basically, what the writers of Naruto realized, is that it's next to impossible to make a nobody a somebody, so... they had no choice but to make Naruto, an actual somebody, in disguise of a nobody, so as to uplift real-life nobodies while shaming the somebodies of society!
But they couldn't make Naruto a real nobody cz in reality, a nobody can NEVER be a somebody...it's very rare
@@youjustgotburned3980Mind blown…🤯
@@youjustgotburned3980Naruto was nobody his dad being hokage meant nothing he inherited none of his talents
@@Axel-ye8tt as a kid, naruto had 100 times the chakra reserves of kakashi, the strongest jonin in konoha at the time, thanks to his uzumaki heritage. he had an incredibly strong life force thanks to him being the reincarnation of ashura and having the 9 tails which made it pretty much impossible to kill him even if u tried. as we later learn from jiraya, he is also incredibly talented in anything chakra related and the only reason why he sucked at it in the beggining was because of the seal placed on him and kurama messing with his chakra flow. he learnt rasengan in a few days, learnt to walk on water immediately, created rasen-shuriken, something nobody else was capable of doing and mastered sage mode probably the fastest out of everybody.
@Axel-ye8tt naruto is shown to have the worst Chakra control and the only way he was able to pull off so many shadow clones was because he would brute force it with kurama's Chakra. I call that hacks because no other ninja could afford to be as careless as he was (other than Gaara I guess).
It’s also worth mentioning that Neji didn’t just die protecting Naruto, he also save Hinata at the same time which technically was his entire reason for being alive if we’re being honest
It wasn't.
Yeah it was honestly such a shit move. It would have been great if Hinata died to save Neji.
@@JustSaiyan317 didn’t neji say that he did it not because it was his destiny but because he wanted to?
@@nikamoreillus661 100% I’m just talking about the clan’s perspective, I hope no one thinks I personally believe Nejis only reason for existence was to die for Hinata because that’s not what I meant at all. I’m only pointing out the he ironically died doing what the Hyuga clan would label as the correct course of action. Obviously the entire point though was him giving up his life to save those he loved, which was indeed a choice that he made (like a fucking boss I might add) the same way his father made a choice on how he was going to give his life for his brother. They however chose to protect their family rather than sacrifice themselves because they were ordered to do it.
@@JustSaiyan317 yeah the irony was insane I agree lol even if he did do it on his own accord it felt to coincidental.
Naruto's dad literally gave him a small loan of a million dollars inside his belly
That sounds very wrong.
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No, what he gave him was a tailed beast that alienated him and made people hate him for simply existing, until he did something that helped them.
@@raven_nevermore888 being verbally abused for 12 years then being paid a million dollars afterwards? Sign me up buddy, that's far better than situations most of us are in. Hell we already get bullied and still didn't get any inheritance 😂
it wasn't a loan. More like his trust fund/inheritance because Kushina actually had it first. Then someone stole it from her and Minato took it back. Then gave of it to Naruto and kept the rest for himself. Maybe it was just in case some bullshit happened and naruto needed the rest of it.
I think sakura actually embodies this more than anyone else she was born into some random family and became the strongest kunoichi in naruto
No Lee is a better representation. He’s born with just poor chakra control Naruto’s version which was the I have too much chakra so I need to do high consumption jutsus, he worked his ass off all his life to make up for this, became the best Taijutsu user in Naruto through pure effort and hard work without any talent or Kekkei Genkai to back him up while he had Guy as a teacher Sakura was gifted with good control of her chakra and a high intellect hence why Tsunade took her on in the first place. Lee was the best representation of the ideals Naruto preached since he worked his ass off even when he was supposed to be taking it easy by order of Tsunade
No it's Guy Sensei and Lee. Period
@@yaseerbeig8611 the cripple and the background character vs literally the strongest woman on the planet (aside from aliens) isn't really much of a competition no hate towards guy and lee it's just that even though sakura started slightly higher than them she ended way higher than them it probably would be different if we actually saw the training they go through to unlock eight gates but since we saw kakashi open them aswell it doesn't seem like the training is that much
@@tmoose4688u on drugs or something?
Remember might dai?
Might guy's father, the training for practicing eight gates was so darn intense that he could not work the rest of the day after training, it was so intense that he had to remain a genin, does that mean he's weaK? Lol, remember he's the same guy who beat 7 ninja swords man of the mist and reduced the number to 3 and whatever sakura is she couldn't have even touched madara let alone do damage, but guy almost made madara fear for his life he said that himself
Altho yea sakura technically personifies that concept more than naruto, but guy and lee do that way more than sakura does, guy and lee can litterally not even use shadow clone justsu properly but still unlike sakura who was always left behind by naruto and sasuke, guy kept up with them without any talent, but with sheer hardwork and dedication.
Also the training might not have been shown to unlock the eight gates but u definetly can get some idea from the fact that dai had to stay a genin bcuz of it's intensity altho he could easily be kage level (atleast somewhaf closer) if he used the eight gates
@@user-cu5tm3qj8c i aint replying to allat cus nobody got time for that but you said sakura couldn't lay a hand on madara when she punched kaguya who is more powerful than madara so your logic is flawed and the shadow clone jutsu is a forbidden technique that barely anyone knows them not knowing it isn't the big feat you're making it out to be
guy was a low born person and was proclaimed the the Strongest Taijustu User and could solo all kage
Naruto went from a random orphan in the village. To us finding out, he is a reincarnation of the first Hokage, the son of the forth Hokage, and was trained by both the top candidate for fifth Hokage and the man who became the sixth Hokage!
Exactly why this guy is completely wrong about the “main meaning” of the show.
Lol talk about nepotism 😅
his not the reincarnation of the first Hokage
@@Primordial-Prime Both Hashirama and and Naruto are reincarnations of Ashura. Making Hashirama a past life of Naruto. Hence Naruto is a reincarnation of Hashirama.
@@kumbi8368 Naruto is not a reincarnation of Hashirama
Also the fact that all the previous Hokages were chosen by others and not the community. Hashirama chose his brother Tobirama who then chose Hiruzen (Tobirama's student) who then chose Minato (the student of the student of Hiruzen) after which it reverted back to Hiruzen and went back to Hashirama's grand daughter then it went to Minato's student and then back to Minato's son who's also the reincarnation of Hashirama. Meaning every single Hokage can be linked back to Hashirama.
Naruto is the reincarnation of Asura, not Hashirama.
@@dregatsu and Hashirama is the reincarnation of who ?
@@blackhand441 Asura obviously. But that's not what you said. You said that Naruto was a reincarnation of Hashi, which is wrong.
Well the community kinda chooses them as they are still loved and they are chosen for their skills and leadership abilities. Yeah but that is really a coincedence, it's more so about their skills and leadership abilities.
Except Hashirama chose Madagascar to be the first Hokage, and then suggested him for 2nd when he got 1st. It was the Village that chose the brothers, whilst Masada lost faith in the whole idea and left on his own.
Hell, if Lee losing to Gaara didn't proved that, shippuden did.
Destiny.
Lee's loss to Gaara wouldn't necessarily prove that at all. Neji offered no way of reliably determining the predictive power or truth value of his beliefs, and any attempt at determining whether events in any person's life was due to destiny probably would have been post hoc reasoning.
Naruto's story makes a lot more sense when you retextualize it to represent differences of reputaiton, rather than differences of power (both innate and political). Naruto is hated by the village, spat on and shunned, but through hard work and dedication he becomes a beloved leader.
Became hokage through nepotism.
@@Codyslx Being a war hero didn't hurt lol
@@Codyslxnepotism only works if the person:
Didn’t have any experience
Have “Alive” family members that could promote the individual themselves or was promised
Naruto was trained to be Hokage and Naruto’s family is dead.
He wasn’t sworn in the position from the get go. He had to actually work for it.
@@Markc8716 lol no. you can have experience and still benefit from nepotism. No, you don’t need an “alive” relative to benefit from nepotism, the factor that you’re trying to deviate from is called “legacy”.
@@GodsonSublime it only works as nepotism when the person was a shoe in for the seat even if the person was unqualified for it. No one expected Naruto to be sworn in. He had to work for it and by then, everyone wanted him to be hokage
I'd have to agree yeah. Doesn't really matter if he himself was unaware as the universe was aware of his destiny and potential. Having literally set him up with the best shit.
Okay yes but what actually happened is naruto overcame his destiny of continuing the cycle of hate
@@SGalaxyify one could argue that was his destiny as he had the tools to accomplish it. I doubt someone without his strength would have been able to stop madara or kaguya and bring this dream to bare
Potential means nothing if they do not use it for anything, Naruto had ambition. At most he got traded his parents for the most powerful tailed beast, even so he could not really control Kurama. At most he beat Neji with a bunch of shadow clones and with Kurama. If Naruto was not strong enough to believe in himself I doubt he would have beaten Neji in their match. If destiny was so kind with handing off upgrades, then maybe Hinata and Naruto could have been strong enough to protect themselves so Neji would not have to sacrifice himself. Either way working together is generally better than working alone, even if there are people that have more destiny aiding them it does not mean crud if they do not have enough power to protect others as well as themselves. If Neji was so certain about the ones born closer to the destiny road being the ones to rise above, than he either believed his destiny was to die there or he believe even someone with less destiny could protect someone who had more destiny.
Even people without any inherited or added powers through zero effort can still become powerful. Sakura is a good example of this, at most she a strong fighter, intelligent, possess stellar chakra control, and learned the 100 healing thing from Tsunade.
@Andrew I agree so Sakura should be the name of the show if that's the goal lol
But if naruto has all these amps and all he needs to do is apply himself I can see it as just being himself carrying out his divine roll of ending the cycle
@@christopherperez1252 If they wanted Sakura to be the focus they could, but the name is set for Naruto. So Naruto is set as the focus on the story. They could do as they please long as it is interesting.
To be honest it’s why I love Rock Lee and Guy. Boys came from literally nothing and simply trained untill they could keep up with shinobi gods. Anyone can learn the 8 gates, but only a master can perfect them with ungodly amounts of training
...and still lose to someone born special. Both Lee and Guy.
Honestly the irony in Naruto is strong.
@@runtergerutscht4401 Well they did pretty good for two guys that did not have any inherent born abilities
@@runtergerutscht4401 They lost to a fucking God? Each one of them beat every other villain that they came across. Like tf?
@@Factual3218 every other villain, like kimimaro and Gaara?
Honestly I can't remember the last significant W Lee has gotten since bullying Sasuke before the chuunin exams.
@@runtergerutscht4401 Your right? he never got enough screen time but when ever he did cuh was a beast
Is funny that,Naruto father actually acomplished what Naruto was about
Oh my, I just realized that😭
EXCEPT that despite Minato not coming from a clan, he had an un-normal amount of chackra becs his teleportation jutsu cost so much that it takes 3 average jonin(I think they were) to make it! yet he can teleport more that 3 times and still not be tired
Bruhhh u people still don't get it do u??? Wake up man!!!! Minato was a born talent and a genius to begin with. U think that guy worked hard for his strength or speed?? No he did not. That's the whole point, he was gifted, he was known as the yellow flash because he was gifted and had the talent or being fastest. He wasn't someone like Lee or Guy Sensei who trained their as* off for their speed. Minato ain't a great character. He's overrated. The real great characters are Guy Sensei, Lee, Jiraya etc.
This is honestly my biggest gripe about the Naruto series. It starts as an underdog series and then just back pedals on all that, making Naruto super special.
Super Special? Bro Naruto had to lived a life as a hated orphan. He had to fight for the right to be recognized as someone you can count on and cared for. If Naruto didn’t have to go through all the bull he had to face but still become hokage would make that valid but he didnt
@@Markc8716 if naruto didn't have his gifts that made him special he would have died early in part 1 quit copin
@@Greenyt1234 your the one coping here
@@Markc8716 how am I coping? Without kurama or being an uzamaki naruto is dead in part 1. He only got to where he did because of learning how to use the gifts handed to him on a silver platter by nature of being born who he was.
So nice weak rebuttal.
@@Greenyt1234 by taking out all the positives while still keeping the negatives aspects in Naruto’s life. If Kurama was not sealed inside him, he wouldn’t have to fight tooth and nail to show everyone he can be a ninja.
“Handed to him on a silver platter?” In what rose tinted glasses have you been using to watch Naruto? Boy has been struggling since day 1. Having big chakra doesn’t mean instant win, he had to struggle using chakra considering barely anyone taught him. Not to mention because of the big ball of chakra we call Kurama, he had to endure mental trauma from the village. Knowing you’re hated by an entire village full of trained assassins tends to put a little incentive in that trauma as well.
Kurama was a negative from the start and him being of Uzumaki blood is also a negative considering NO ONE taught him how to make seals until later on.
You’re coping because you don’t want to admit that Naruto had to actually work for his achievements and instead make it out as though he would gain these achievements eventually.
Neji predicted this shit faster than any Sharingan power up then or future ever could
Neji's beliefs didn't appear to have strong predictive power though. NCHammer just cherrypicked some experiences from a single character to support his argument. Naruto's experiences did not represent the majority of people in their world.
@@kmgyeningtrue neji was wrong
Honestly, this is one of my main issues with the show.
Almost everyone's main issue***
Went from an under dog story to Naruto being a reincarnation of a demi-god
I hate that people still believe that _hard work beats talent_ is the theme of Naruto!🙄 If this is the case, then why did Kishimoto have Rock Lee get oneshoted by Garra and remain relevant for the rest of the series? 🤔 Hard work is important and effective, *HOWEVER* there is *ALWAYS* someone superior to you, like Haku and Itachi by Kakashi's own words. Naruto and Sasuke are gifted but they work extremely hard. Kirin and Rasenshuriken were made by hard work.
Yep
@@Nubin2000well it used to be, which garnered people's attention. But they kept changing the goalpost and everything went downhill from then on.
@@happilyevernever4289 No they did not, you just were not paying attention like everyone who believes this. Naruto was never about hard work beating talent Naruto never EVER uttered words like that. You guys all self inserted your themes and got mad when it didn’t turn out the way you wanted. If Neji was right Naruto would’ve KILLED Sasuke. He That’s all there is to “Destiny”
He kinda right in real life to. Half the celebrities, musicians, politicians are connected to someone who majorly help them in their success
The introduction of the otsutsuki fucked it all up.
Neji: You can’t defy destiny
Naruto: I will defy Destiny
Destiny: My guy Naruto…I got big plans for you.
Neji: 💀
Nah, bro, Naruto's destiny was technically to A. Kill or get killed by Indra's reincarnation, or B. Fall into the circle of hatred(w/ the 9 Tails being the manifestation of hatred and all).
I agree that Naruto wasn't low born at all, but this brings up the age ole saying that every detractor has, "Lee should have been the main character." And they would be right if the main theme of the show was "Hardwork vs. Talent"(like it was in the Chuunin Exams), but it's actually about the cycle of hatred.
Something Naruto encapsulates perfectly.
Yep
😂😂😂
Someone who hasn’t watched the series😂
@@thewiseyounglad2699 finally someone with common sense in these comments lol
Don't forget, Naruto was also watched after by the third hokage, who chose best teacher (Kakashi) to train him. The equivalent of hiring a high end private tutor
Bro, all the students were taught by accomplished jonin😒,they all had private tutors
And kakashi wasn't the best one, the fallout of team 7 was his fault, he admits it in shippuuden
And the 3rd hokage didn't do crap for Naruto past the bare minimum
@@stevetherush1193 this is just my theory. But i think Hiruzen would have adopted Naruto but didn't cause Danzo stopped him some how.
@@stevetherush1193 yes, they all had private tutors. But who was "the hardest tutor" the person who taught the toughest lessons with a high failure rate because of how strong he was? They talked up Kakashi from the beginning. And when I said watched over, I meant that literally. We've seen the Third literally watching Naruto with a crystal ball. They've had personal chats together. He was being looked after. No parents, but somehow had a place to live, money for food? Who paid for that?
@@lootcat1230 kakashi didn't have a high failure rate because of strength, it was because of his "teamwork" bells thing, he pressured them mentally into not working together and promised them a pass if they destroyed their teamwork...
The third paid for that, but that's not how you raise a child after promising your predecessor to take care of him, especially while the villagers treat him like sh*t
@@stevetherush1193 definitely not how you raise a child.
Kakashi was still considered the top Jonin of the village.
Don't forget he's the heir to the Uzumaki Clan. Gone as it is but they were family to the Senju aka borderline royalty in Konoha
_Ah yes, cause Nagato & Karin lived such great lives being Uzamaki_ .
@@nicholasrolison926their parents didn't had any connection to Mito Uzumaki (wife of Hashirama) like Kushina Uzumaki.....
@@Krishna-pd6iw I don't feel like the connection was ever to Naruto's benefit, can you give some examples?
@@nicholasrolison926 what are you even talking..... The death reaper seal that Minato used to seal kurama was an uzumaki technique...... Minato divided kurama into 2 and sealed it inside Naruto because no one can absorb full kurama except pure uzumaki and Naruto would've immediately died if Minato sealed full kurama inside him.... Minato used 8 seal technique(its a special technique that help bijuu to slowly release his chakra every time so that jinchuriki can use it whenever in need..... Thats why naruto never lost a single battle of death anytime he used full potential..... This is also an uzumaki seal...... Minato knew high level sealing because of Mito uzumaki directly indirectly both) Kushina uzumaki had no parents Mito taken care of her......
@@Krishna-pd6iw I mean, all of this just sort of results in "Naruto has to give up his parents and be alienated in the village + pawn in Madaras plans".
Also, "never lost a battle to the death where he used his full potential"? Are we ignoring that time he died in the war? Kuramas powers were also a detriment a fair bit of the time.
Neji knew he was right, so Kishimito had to kill him off quickly.
Neji chose death because he seen boruto and said miss me with that.
The exact same thing happened in bleach. When Ichigo fought byakuya he was wondering how Ichigo had the spiritual pressure to activate bankai. He literally said that individual with such power could not have come from a regular human. As it turned out Ichigo had royal blood and every genetic advantage
Yeah but Bleach never made the point that Naruto tried to make. Bleach was always about whoever is the most powerful and smart is at the top (unless we're talking about the Deities of Ichibei and the Soul King)
The difference is that everyone whoet Ichigo thought he was a freak of nature. Ichigo himself had no clue, he didn't know about his parents' origins until very late into the story.
And since the beginning, we knew that Ichigo wasn't normal and was overpowered for a human. Then it was revealed he wasn't a normal human, and little by little each piece of his heritage unfolded.
He's so strong, he was going to be made into the soul king by Ichibei if things went wrong
@@muhammedahmed3291 Exactly. And those who knew about his heritage wanted to help him get stronger. Aizen threw him progressively stronger enemies to make him stronger, Urahara trained him and pushed him to unleash his own Shinigami/Hollow/Quincy powers, the Vizards helped him control his Hollow powers, Ginjo helped him control his Fullbring and the Royal guard helped him reforge his sword and get stronger spiritually (which in Bleach, understanding oneself means stronger Zanpakuto)
Ichigo was the closest one to the most broken character in Bleach (Soul King). Only second to his son, Yhwach
@Star Knight , I’ve always liked Zoro more than Luffy as a character anyway, so even if you use the line of reasoning on hating Naruto you should also hate Luffy for the same reasons then I still like Zoro the most out any Shonen protagonists ever because he actually does work his ass off the hardest; he has no special genetic heritage, or any lineage of at all for that matter unlike the D Clan, and he’s more consistent on his goals of achieving of those goals than Eren Jäeger or Edward Elric are in achieving those goals.
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THANK YOU!! that’s all I could notice
It’s really annoying
so cringe
It was beyond jarring, I hate this style of content. Will not be returning
Exactly
There is still a message in that you must persevere hardships to unlock your hidden true potential.
Naruto definately becomes more of a power fantasy as it goes on
"Physical strength over endurance!" -Neji
And don't forget, Hyuga.
I also thought the same thing while rewatching their fight. Naruto was way more relatable in 'naruto' than 'shippuden'.
Ikr???
Naruto in OG was relatable in the way that he had to struggle physically, being weaker than his peers. Naruto in Shippuden was relatable in that he had to struggle mentally, as everything and everyone around him was trying to drag him into the cycle of hatred.
Not rlly but sure if u think so
Atleast they could have made Neji the head of Huyga clan after the war
@@godwinantony4218nah, he had to fulfill his destiny by dying for Hinata (should've died when he fought Kidomaru, would've been more honorable than dying to stick)
And the thing is neji read his own fate protecting Hinata💀
He protected hinata for different reasons thi
@@D_Owo 𝕚𝕥 𝕕𝕠𝕖𝕤𝕟'𝕥 𝕞𝕒𝕥𝕥𝕖𝕣 𝕥𝕙𝕠
@@jayzz1716 how does it not matter
@@D_Owo Actually it doesn't matter if there are different reasons. The point here is Neji's fate to protect Hinata ACTUALLY HAPPENS and he was right.
@@kendivedmakarig215No, the problem is you're arguing an unfalsifiable position. Just because he was assigned the "fate" of protecting the main branch, and later died protecting a member of the main branch, doesn't mean that that particular action of protecting a member of the main branch was his fate. By that reasoning, I'm sure you would call anything Neji could have conceivably done in favor of protecting the main branch his fate. I also think that your argument relies on circular reasoning.
As much as I love Naruto and Shippuden, I will say this, they literally did make Naruto chosen one basically, proving he was destined to be Hokage no matter what he did
that's why he died by plot armor that protected Naruto
so that he couldn't tell "I told you!" at the end
🙃
This is why we stan Neji tho. He was real af.
Sakura understood the assignment technically
That's Works Too
She has prodigious Chakra control and extremely high amount of Chakra reserves also
@@sujithsudhakaran745yea but she worked hard for that and studied it all her and Lee are really the true hardworking in the show
@@hotdogkid9015 she worked for neither she was able to walk up a tree vertically on her first try while natruto and sauke struggled . Gotta give her props for mastering taijutsu and medical nijustsu but she doesn't have Lee level of dedication
@@sujithsudhakaran745 yea of course not but she studied her craft and knew as much as the teachers did when it came to ninjutsu and Chakra flow her parents are normal people and even when she fought ino(even tho it was pathetic at times to watch) Kakshi kept saying how amazing she was for doing the stuff she was doing when she was not part of a clan and was able to do very technical things at her age
might guy and kabuto are the real protagonists
Guy and Lee are the only self made
Might Guy is the only exception on neji's word and example of hardwork beats talent, rock lee is still waiting for his time..
Through hard work alone, Guy was able to gain the strength to throw hands with sage of six paths Madara. No enhancements, no tailed beasts, no sage mode, no kekke genkai, just good ol 8 Gates and years of rigorous training. What an absolute unit
Sakura is also ridiculously strong. But there's always a bigger fish with god-given superpowers swimming in the pond that is the naruto world.
@@runtergerutscht4401 Always a bigger fish, but that does not deny that they made a difference
They hard work naruto obtained everything he has now💀 ur point just shows how little of the show u actually watched
@@D_Owo i don't understand,did u mean Naruto did hardwork to achieve everything or..
Once you figured out that Naruto had ties to so many important figures in the Ninja world, you realized Neji had him read the whole time. The only reason for 90% of his bad childhood was because Jiraiya and the third were absentees.
Only if youre a low level thinker. Neji was the stronger and more talented hyuga despite his destiny as a branch ninja. He fought against his destiny literally every second of every day. He almost beat hinata to death and became the genius of the hyuga lol wtf r u saying
The 3rd Hokage gave Naruto a home (apartment room) and just left him soom after
The funny thing is he said he'll promise to take care of Naruto before his parents died
@@bboywolfbut that's the thing, Neji is a branch Hyūga with immediate family in the main house
@bboywolf bruh his father and hinata's father were literal twins; it doesn't matter what the title he was under.
@@mrplatinum5987Yea, the reason that's true is because the main family already decided at some point that they have the power and authority to dictate what the branch family members' roles are while calling that destiny/fate. The fact that a portion of the entire Hyuga clan has made and enforced certain rules for everyone in the clan to follow, doesn't prove anything in favor of Neji's beliefs about destiny.
This problem happened in One Piece too. Luffy started out as just a guy but now he’s the literal incarnation of the god of freedom
Neji also predicted his own death. He claimed he would eventually die to protect the main house and then... he died protecting the main house. Naruto fanboys will claim it doesn't count because Neji "Chose" to do it but it doesn't change the fact that he was destined to die that way and then did.
Kabuto would be an interesting protagonist because he’s not great by himself but he’s got the mentality of “If you weren’t born with power just steal it from those who were” and he does pretty good
No. Even before he got Sage Mode, Kabuto was a highly talented shinobi whom Orochimaru claimed was comparable to Kakashi. He was trained by Root to become a spy for Konoha and mastered the art of espionage, managed to press Tsunade in close combat and survived getting hit by a Rasengan at point blank. Best put some respect on my boi Kabi.
@@scarabyte27 yeah Kabuto is strong but are you gonna argue he could go against Kage and six paths characters without stealing power
@This statement is false Nothing is true Of course not. I'm saying that Kabuto was more skilled than people give him credit for.
@@scarabyte27 no he was definitely Mid-high Jonin level at the start but he would never have been as big of a threat if not for stealing stuff
@@thisstatementisfalsenothin5312Kabuto is weak without stealing powers. If you are talking about his fight against Tsunade, Tsunade was depressed that time.
Naruto really became Ninja Jesus.
Still grew up as a orphan, team work with everybody.
Not to mention given the strongest Jōnin as a sensei, and mentored by his legendary godfather. And let’s not forget the Uzumaki chakra. He’s been given the tools to success cloaked in a sob story of a childhood.
Lee is the embodiment of what neji was talking about. Nomatter how hard Lee can practice, he would NEVER get to the levels of people who were born better than him that put in effort.
His teacher might guy did surpassed people like that tho, and lee could do the same in the future maybe
@mrpoyo7968 might guy didn't surpass shit
His op power up was outclassed by ass pulls in the next episodes
Im pretty sure Rock Lee is one of the leafs top Jonin without genjutsu or ninjutus so hes pretty much better than people who were born better that put in effort.
@@customname4680 lmao it was not, not naruto sasuke or madara with two rinnegan and the juubi are beating 8 gates guy
@@darthvaderoftheredpill5196 Lee has literally lost every fight of importance in the entire series
Let’s not forget that Naruto is an Uzumaki. His clan is known for amazing sealing jutsu, adamentine chains, large chakra reserves, high lifeforces (which practically means that Naruto was going to have plot armor regardless), was a cousin to the legendary Senju clan, and his clan needed six villages ganging up on them to destroy them.
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And he had the fox, in addition to royal blood and the best teachers. Hell, even early in the first series almost everything Naruto achieved was just the result of him having high chakra reserves and nine-tails powers. I mean, he might have only been capable of mass shadow clones because of his Uzumaki chakra. We don’t really see him training harder than anyone else, except when learning jutsu that were passed on to him just because of who he is (e.g. the rasengan). If it wasn’t for his family legacies, Naruto would absolutely be the worst ninja among the main Konoha kids, basically TenTen but dumber and without the cool weapons.
@@vwts"we don't really see him training harder then anyone else" the anime literally shows him training more than anyone else
@@cognito377 because he’s the protagonist, but it’s implied everyone else is also working hard
@@cognito377 Lee, Neji, etc were training harder than Naruto but they are more inferior than him.
Naruto was an awfull kid at the beginning and he only had his genes , like giant chakra reserves so he doesn’t have to be so precise like the others
Even better, Neji, a branch family member died protecting Hinata, a main family member. Doesn't get much more pre destined than that
This is why I love Minato. He came from a literal nobody clan and became one of the most renowned ninja and Kage known to the Narutoverse.
Neji dying to save Naruto is the perfect example of classism. Because don’t forget the status of neji’s father
Sad part ia neji could have blocked it or just pushed both of them out of danger! I just rewatched that cringe! Its fucking sticks!!!!
No it isn't, because Neji CHOSE to give his life there. That was the whole point smh
@@xelic1996 yeah ok
@@xelic1996 It's because it's his destiny based on HIS FOREARM.
@@xelic1996 THANK YOU. It's almost like Naruto fans are misunderstanding on purpose. Kinda annoying ngl
And then they killed off Neji so nobody would notice that they “forgot” the entire main theme of the show.
I wouldn’t say it was the main theme, but definitely at least a sub-theme.
Still kinda crazy that they completely disregarded it though.
More like so nobody would notice the writers shifted the goalpost.
The main theme of Naruto is the cycle of hatred. Naruto's destiny as a reincarnation was to kill or be killed by Indra's reincarnation, while his destiny as a Jinchuriki was to fall into the cycle of hatred.
Remember, the child of prophecy would either bring an age of peace or destruction, it was a choice that Naruto had to struggle with the entire show as everyone and the world around him tried to sink him to their level.
What’s crazy is you “forgetting” that was nowhere near the main focus of naruto, ESPECIALLY not shippuden
@@thewiseyounglad2699 well said! Naruto did defy his destiny. A destiny he have had for hundreds or a thousand years. He did break free from his destiny
Neji also said Naruto was destined to fail. Naruto's point was that he was not gonna fail and that humans can't really judge their destiny from their point of view.
Naruto wasn’t destined to become hokage, he had to work for that sh**
I feel Sakura would a better example because she was born as just a normal child but she worked her way up the ranks to be one of the strongest ninja with kekegenkai tailed beast no nothing but she is one of the strongest ninja in the Naruto universe rn especially because sasuke and Naruto got heavily nerfed
I haven’t seen her do much in the boruto anime.(as far as combat) Hopefully they show her pulling off something impressive soon.
@@John-ml2gh in light novel she does alot hopefully Sasuke retsuden will be animated and they don’t fck with the OG moments and in Boruto she gets her scenes cut out from important meetings they have with naruto Sasuke, SP literally hates her idek why since the beginning they have been making her look bad even changing script and scenes in animation. It’s the worst animation studio ever
Also LEE he is teammates with Neji. He had nothing too even no ninjutsu skills but he manages to become one of the most strongest shinobi in konoha
she has chakra control second to none. her chakra control is so op that even magekyo sharingan can't put her in genjutsu. she is literally immune to genjutsu. not to mention her IQ is supposed to be only second to Shikamaru. Remember Sakura was the only one that aced the chunnin exams without cheating..
she also had the best teacher in Konoha. two living kegends who both became hokages
@@newt2120 by what makes her ocular genjustu immune. It’s literally said she’s RESISTANT to genjustu not immune
Also Hinata didn’t cheat either but that doesn’t matter
Best teacher in konoha would probably be gai or kakashi
Tsuande is great but she can only teach what she’s good at, that applies to everyone but gai and kakashi have more to them
This is why Sakura despite everyone hating her had the best ascension and best representation of rags to riches. From literal fodder to as strong as if not stronger Tsunade in the war arc, now that's something.
Might guy too .
Minato, also. Though we didn't see his ascension, we haven't even been shown a single other member of the Namikaze clan. Even if it was a bit of a filler, we've seen Sakura's parents at least.
The idea of Sakura having "the best" anything, is insane 💀 no matter how hard people fight for her, she was, is, and will always BE, fodder.
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Tsunade smack Sakura silly lmao
I want to see naruto face when he realizes neji was right along.
He wasn't
Black clover is just Naruto if Might Guy and Kakashi were the protagonists
Bro is reading my thoughts and uploading them
His destiny was to fight Sasuke (as the reincarnates always do) and were supposed to kill each other or one would the other as even Naruto says to Sasuke after the 5 Kage Summit. He changes his destiny and ends the cycle of hatred and the cycle of the reincarnates fighting to the death. Plus being born a Hokahe's kid/relative doesn't mean you have more right right than someone else to be Hokage just means he inherent good ninja genes. And Kurama was nothing but a burden to him until he started gaining contorl of his power
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Naruto's destiny wasn't to fight Sasuke tho. That was just Black Zetsu always making sure that reincarnations of Sage won't ever get along.
Their destiny from the beginning was to stop Kaguya.
Also, although I agree that Kurama has always been a burden to Naruto, he had it much easier than other Jinchuriki, since he had only positive part of Kurama in him, as well as was from lineage that excells at seal techniques.
Also, once Naruto was being prepared to become Hokage, we've seen him actively trying to skip learning. This part infuriated me so much. And it was also stated that he managed to learn most of his techniques by brute forcing them, putting way too much chakra in them.
Ladder part of Shippuden turned Naruto into someone destined for greatness whenever he tried or not.
@@adityasalvi182 how lmao, half of what was said is complete nonsense 🤣
you already contradicted yourself. firstly, his destiny was to fight Sasuke which he did and they were both reincarnations, and had great ancestry meaning they weren't lowborn, meaning Nehi was still right. you mentioning "just means he inherited good ninja genes" shows ONCE AGAIN that he was not lowborn and has a natural born advantage. and Kurama was a burden? how, because he couldn't control it? so much of a burden he's saved Naruto's life countless times and is the only reason he's alive. the same "burden" who kept Naruto alive before Naruto could control his powers. there was no part of Kurama at all that was a burden, that's pure nonsense
@@icebearnicho8256 in Naruto just because your parents are powerful doesn't mean you will be so my saying he had good genes wpuld be incorrect and intact prove Naruto got to where he was woth hard work. Sure you could say maybe being Minato's kid played a part in it but look at Minato's parents who are they, what did they do no one knows they are potentiallyjust civilians. Look at Sakura her parents are civilians and she surpassed Tsunde (we don't even know Tsunade's parents one of whom is a child of Hashirama). Kurama messed with his chakra a reason why he couldn't originally walk on water. People hated him because he possessed Kurama. All those times Kurama saved his life there was meaning behind it, Kurama wanted to give Naruto his chakra (summoning training, vs Neji, etc) because he knew this would make it easier for him to be released as we see with the 4tails cloak against Orochimaru which Naruto was trying to hold back in 3 tails mode, and in the Pain fight were he gets 8 tails and Kurama is almost released. Kurama doesn't do any of it to protect Naruto he does it for his own benefit. Look at how the people viewed him in his fight vs Neji once the Nine-tails chakra came out.
In chapter 671 Hagaromo tells Naruto that he has two sons "One possessed genes containing my powerful chakra, and one did not...this manifest in the most extreme manner."
"In short...exceptional older brother Indra...and dunce younger brother Ashura."
Ashura Otsutsuki, the son of the Sage of the Six Paths, Hagaromo Otsutsuki had 0 talent if that isn't the most flat out explanation of in the Narutoverse power =/= genes I don't know what is
I always saw Naruto as not being about hardwork vs talent but being about the cycle of hatred and its seemingly unavoidable no matter what you do.
Neji talking about being "low-born," when all he knew about Naruto was that his parents were dead, while Neji had a Kekkei Genkai and elite martial arts training that can hit your organs was crazy.
My take on Naruto was early on he wanted to be Hokage to finally be noticed, accepted, loved and respected so I always hoped that by the end he would realize he didn't need to be Hokage to get that. Through all the fights and trials of the series he had all that and when the war arc came along the world gave him that as well. I guess a part of me wanted him to be like Jiraiya where he turned down being the Hokage.
i agree been thinking this too
I had a very different idea on what the series was supposedly all about. Instead of “Hard work is better than genius/Destiny” I see it as “Not letting the past dictate your present or future”.
Precisely. Most people think it's a "hardwork" story, but it was past that by the end of the Chunin Exams
That’s exactly the point of the story, I’m a fan but he’s just wrong in this one
Naruto could’ve become another gaara at any moment but he didn’t because of his choices to love people
If naruto didn’t became a ninja he wouldn’t have befriended all the tails beast
If he chose to work/live with the ramen guy he would’ve fought sasuke, died and never break the cycle
What people with this argument don’t understand is that destiny/prophecies in the naruto universe are not set on stone they can be changed and they can be broken
@meazzo2234 yes he was and what did the prophecy said, that that child will bring peace or destroy the world so it literally could’ve gone either way
@@lorgranz7051 that's what 90% prophecies say in fantasy.
Stop lying all your life
And then he goes on to marry Neji's high born cousin.
Remember when the only thing special about Naruto was that he had the Nine Tails inside of him?
The thing about that, you aren't lowborn by what's in your blood, but lowborn by how you are perceived by your peers. A king can become a peasant, but a peasant can't become a king if they are always treated as a peasant.
A perfect example of this is what the show does with naruto and gaara's contrasting life experiences. Naruto made it known that even with the difficulties he had, nothing was going to stop him forcing the village to acknowledge him, forging bonds along the way. While with gaara he accepted that he was nothing but the village's monster and his eyes weren't open to till naruto beat his ideals into him.
Naruto was in no way set up to be hokage, it's actually surprising he wasn't Anakin'd into being a major part of the akatsuki or even taking it over once he found out his life was in danger.
Edit: A lot of you don't read books that aren't manga/manhua/manwha, and it shows. The phrase "are always treated as a peasant" means perceived, which means I was saying no matter how op you are, the people's vision of you comes first. Naruto changed the way they saw him with his own efforts, not reincarnation or the ninetails.
You say he is the 4ths son with godly charka control he got from his mom, Kushina, he didn't know that, no one in the village outside a few people knew that. You say he had Kakashi and the 3rd by his side the whole time, he didn't know that, AND they sucked hard at raising him. He's reincarnated from asura and the first, so what? Naruto's life was filled to the brim with hardships before he was even born, the only reason naruto is the way he is that he was written that way, if iruka wasn't there for him forget being hokage, he would have been dead 2 seasons in or the next obito, or WORST.
You're repeating info that is YEARS into the future about a topic that I brought up about his upbringing. And what's worst is I've been on your side, all along, saying naruto did go from a peasant to a king because he overcame his weaknesses and turned them into strengths. This is why y'all suck at word problems and English class, you don't fully read stuff, just skim over it.
Thank you.. People need to rewatch OG naruto before making assumptions like this
The anime (Shippuden) and manga(later on) pushed the idea how Naruto was destined for greatness and whatnot after they scrapped the theme in the og naruto, which was better at portraying the stakes imo. Because Naruto felt like a character who can succumb to failure and wasn't a pumped-up demi god.
And then you see characters like Lee and the others get sidelined so bad, that it's laughable what you're trynna argue here. The goalpost was shifted in Shippuden. That is undeniable.
Did something like what happened to Gaara happened to Naruto!?Naruto has it smooth sailing when compared to Gaara.
@@neerajcherukuri4052 it happened in the very first episode of Naruto, both their childhoods were rough one faced isolation and pseudo hatred the other was dehumanized and feared. Iruka was the only saving grace Naruto had.
@@happilyevernever4289 I'm not gonna bother explaining this anymore. People have their own simplified echo-chamber versions and are allowed to make their own decisions, so who am I to get in the way of that. Maybe actually re-read the first paragraph, if you even did.
And that’s why might guy’s backstory is the best part of the entire war arc
And Neiji, member of the branch house, ended up dying to save Hinata, a member of the main house. Imagine how powerful Boruto would’ve been at the gentle fist as just a teen if Neiji was still alive to teach him. And Neiji would’ve been a perfect teacher for Boruto
But hinata wasn't a main branch, it was give to hanabi.
The same thing is happening to One Piece, where Luffy has gone from an underdog to a literal friggin god.
Neji proves himself wrong, he was a branch member and completely thrashed Hinata, a main branch member. He was respected as a prodigy, and by his death he was stronger than probably all of the main branch.
That's absolutely true but neji still died so therefore no he wasn't completely proven wrong. He still died protecting the main branch it doesn't matter if his action was of free will, he still is dead because he was protecting someone of the main branch just as his destiny prophesied. But to me the ending of Naruto did not have to be written that way it should have been written the opposite and neji should be alive
point blake period.
@@bsinita_wokeone Good point, neji shouldn't of died. And if he had to it shouldn't of been protecting the main branch.
@@bsinita_wokeoneNeji's "destiny" wasn't prophesied, it was assigned to him by the authority of the main branch family, which is just an organized power that was created and maintained by people who look just like him. There was no prophecy involved. If I were in a position of power over you and I told you that your destiny is to jump off a bridge, and at some later point you jumped off a bridge, does that mean that you fulfilled your prophesied destiny, or that you at least did something that someone more powerful than you told you that you were supposed to do?
Naruto wasn’t destined to save the world. He wasn’t destined to succeed he was simply destined to create a great change. We literally hear from the Toad Sage whether its good or bad. And for those saying Neji was right you miss the entire point of why he died. He didn’t sacrifice himself because it was his duty to protect Hinata, like his father he took control of his own fate and chose to die for his cousin. And no Neji’s arguement wasn’t about lowborn vs highborn. It was that people always remain the same Naruto (being deadlast) would never rise above that title. And that he (a prodigy among the Hyuga) would always beat him and (being a member of the Branch Family) will be forced (key word here) to die for the main family. Naruto itself was never truly a story of hardwork its the story of a boy who rose above his circumstances and achieved great things. People focus so hard on the advantages Naruto has they forget the entire message. Its rather disappointing
Thank you for being the person that actually understands the series. The fact that Naruto was a reincarnation of Ashura was not in fact a blessing but a burden it damned Naruto to a fate of only repeating the mistakes of his predecessors leading the cycle of hatred to continue. In other words Naruto was always meant to fail. And unfortunately no one will ever understand that especially within the western audience
@@bardockjr.5793 I also always see people mention how having the 9 tails was such a benefit for Naruto when you forget that he was the first person we know of that was actually able to use Kurama’s power and even then for 90% of the series Kurama’s power made him go crazy. Like we literally see him attack Sakura in part 2 right at the beginning
Kishimoto was so mad Neji was right all along. He just killed him off
Neji is literally the example of cancel culture within anime universe, he said something the author doesn't like and got killed for it
He is literally the child of prophecy
Also kinda ironic but, neji was a member of the branch family of the hyuga clan; and same as how his father was sacrificed for the preservation of the main family of the hyuga clan, he too died for the future father of the heirs of the main family of the hyuga clan.
Naruto wouldn't had survived neji without kurama and jiraiya.....😂😂😂
Yeah, thats also what made Lee loosing to Garra so crushing, and even Guy with the 8 gates not beating Madara so sad. Lee got stronger than Neji thought he could be, and Madara was also very impressed with Guy, but even as hard work alone can make you great, talent is needed to be the best.
Naruto part 1 is what made naruto fans become naruto fans. What came after we only watched (and still watch in case of Boruto) to see the characters we loved aged
A million percent correct 😂😂
Not to mention hagaromo literally prophesized it
Hagoromo prophesized that the Indra and asura reincarnations would fight until they die and that the cycle would never end💀
@@D_Owo and the look what happened. These idiots couldn’t understand a story if you explained every detail of it to them 100 times
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@@D_Owo But Naruto is different. It was prophesized by Gamamaru that Naruto will end ALL conflict and yes that includes Indra and Ashura's conflict as a reincarnations.
@@kendivedmakarig215 did u even watch the scene💀💀💀 it was said that the child of prophecy would end the cycle of hatred in the shinobi world not all conflict otherwise boruto wouldn’t be happening rn. Also naruto wasn’t born as the child of prophecy, nagato and minato were also thought to be the child of prophecy b4 naruto so it clearly isn’t something ur born with
ABOVE ALL, Neji died for Hinata kinda like how his father died for his twin (Hinata father)
So basically Neji succumbed to his F.A.T.E
Naruto suffers the same affliction as Rei from the Star Wars sequel trilogy. No name underdog who turns out to be from the best bloodline and not actually an underdog.
I remember seeing a video about Naruto "the self made hypocrite" and how Rock Lee followed the show's message and themes far closer than Naruto ever did.
Funny thing is, that’s not the shows message.
@@just_an_internet_explorer8038 then hat is the shows message cause it isnt about an underdog and it isnt about forgiving ur enemies the show has no message at all
@@TSH425 since you’ve clearly seen
“Naruto, the Self-Made Hypocrite” by PlagueOfGripes
Watch the video titled “PlagueOfGripes is WRONG about NARUTO” by HotBoySpicy.
HotBoySpicy’s vid will explain the message of the story and that fight clearly, while also going through PlagueOfGripe’s joke vid and deconstructing why his points are garbage.
Since PlagueOfGripe’s video was said by PlagueOfGripes himself to be a joke, I don’t see why people took everything he said in his vid as fact.
@@just_an_internet_explorer8038 its cause even if the message of the fight is different from what I said the execution is still shit naruto won a fight using a sneak atk against someone who cant be sneak atked lmao neji legit should have seen naruto coming using his byakugan (he can see underground) the conclusion of the fight is bullshit no matter what the message is
@@TSH425 no it wasn’t lol
He can be sneak attacked if his byakugan isn’t in use, which it wasn’t because Neji not only thought Naruto was unconscious, but the amount of energy Neji used for the rotation left him drained.
I didn’t think people still misunderstood the Neji fight like this
No he is right and neji should never have lost that fight neji should have been able to see naruto underground since he had his byakugan active kishimoto just not only forgot he was writing an underdog story but he also forgot the core abilities of one of his chars
@@TSH425 You completely misunderstood the fight dude
@@TSH425Nah, bro, Naruto's destiny was technically to A. Kill or get killed by Indra's reincarnation, or B. Fall into the circle of hatred(w/ the 9 Tails being the manifestation of hatred and all).
I agree that Naruto wasn't low born at all, but this brings up the age ole saying that every detractor has, "Lee should have been the main character." And they would be right if the main theme of the show was "Hardwork vs. Talent"(like it was in the Chuunin Exams), but it's actually about the cycle of hatred.
Something Naruto encapsulates perfectly.
@@thewiseyounglad2699 No they are wrong. A. not true but they may fight B. which he didn't do, he avoided it.
He was low born. That wasn't even the main theme of the chunin exams.
@@just_an_internet_explorer8038 I love how you can't explain why lmao
It never forgotten. Naruto legit didn't know who his Dad was, and was shunned because of Kurama rampaging the Village.
He achieved his dream irregardless even after the fact he found out his Dad was a Hokage and that his parents sacrificed themselves to save Naruto.
True I always reinterpreted that the message is don't let your circumstances take away your willingness to do hard work and determination to achieve what you want.
And dont forget the uzumaki genis
In terms of Naruto himself, yes. But there are many others that did become incredibly great through their own effort. People like Sakura, Rock Lee and Might Guy.
Might Guy: "hold my beer..."
Naruto was always a show about love and belief in yourself, but also how that can cause you to be naive to the ways of the world and the hearts of others
Neji taught him about destiny
Haku taught him about loyalty
Pain taught him about pain from loss
But, Naruto was always teaching everyone the importance of love and understanding and how if even one person connects with you, it can change how you see the whole world
This started for Naruto with Iruka and the show remained centered around that core theme throughout, culminating in him finally reconnecting properly with Sasuke healing both the fracture in his village and ninjutsu from its inception
It was always about embracing love even if our destiny feels unfair because we always have the ability to choose love or hate for the path we are on, but it will usually depend on our perspective of the situation which is why talk no jutsu is the ultimate power on the show
The show was always about healing trauma, even if it was always his destiny it still takes a lot of hard work to start from the bottom and make it to the stop and not allow the circumstances to change who you are inside
That is Naruto, never letting power or circumstances corrupt his perception of the world or the love in his heart for people