Learning to Love Paper Mario: The Origami King
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- Paper Mario: The Origami King is not all that it seems. It took me on a journey, one that I shan't soon forget.
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Can we just say how genius it was to title fast travel as “fax travel”
“Ah, a genius makes this game” videos games donkey
what's "fax"?
@@gorgolyt old communication system via scanning a paper at one spot, then printing the same paper at a different place
@@gorgolyt basically what happens when you want to mail a letter
Wait so theres just clones of mario just running around
Or do you think they get shredded
Mario: We can’t change Mario characters
Zelda: You know Ganon, the main villain of our franchise... make him a robot spider
bro RIGHT
It’s hard not to change Zelda
*Bowsers Fury Intensifies*
meanwhile botw has 6 enemies
@@inkstar7521 that's a rip off of Black Bowser
i'd just like to mention that the paper mache monster with bits glued to it is canonically named "paper mistake"
Ivy - the - Demon i simp for paper mistake
Oh god
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@@WoeUponThee it simps for you too :)
It should be the mascot for Sticker Star.
Paper Mario finally got to face his ultimate rival.
Hulking over Bowser with the Star Rod...
Able to Rip the Shadow Queen to shreds...
A foe so powerful, not even the reality warping jester Dimentio could stand a chance against it.....
That's right, they finally did it...
Scissors.
Honestly all those seem like things that would happen in the buildup of the Scissors Arc in the Paper Mario anime.
That but unironically. Shortly into the fight, the scissors boss only attacks in one hit kils.
As much as I rolled my eyes at the whole real stationery as bosses thing I genuinely loved how they were handled. Scissors being a massive weeb who practiced the blade while you were go karting was great and him being able to one shot you made the entire battle super tense.
Collin Carabine
Actually the scissors would be the strongest one, because it could have permanently killed Mario, like the others couldn’t
Meat Tree Once you understand scissors and get the timing down its not hard as he will never do damage... now stapler does a crap ton of damage and if you dont know what your doing can easily take you out... which is why they probably made the stapler one of a few bosses that dont effect the arena in some way despite being the second last boss.
Once you started getting into your analysis of the themes at play in Origami King, IMMEDIATELY my mind was cast to Sasaki Sadako. She's a well known figure in modern Japanese history... essentially, she was two when Hiroshima was hit by the nuclear bomb, and while she wasn't hurt by the bomb in any direct manner, by the time she was 12 she developed Leukemia from radiation exposure. While in the hospital being treated, she was taught about the legend of the 1000 paper cranes, which, as the game faithfully presents, states that by folding 1000 cranes one would be granted a wish, a task which she dedicated herself to.
And while she never got any sort of wish (though she did meet and exceed 1000 cranes), her story lives on as a testament to both the wretchedness of war and the importance of trying to live a full life even if the powers that be should (fate, god, luck, whatever) decide for it to end suddenly.
That was what made my trip to Hiroshima really special. Learning about that story, what people's lives were like after that, how Obama's visit literally changed the tourism to the area, and how the entire city pays homage to Sasaki with the over abundance of paper crane decoration scattered throughout the city. The context to the crane's particularly left an impact
Jesus..
Wow
"A Paper Mario game's story may have been influenced by the real life events of Sasaki Sadoko" is such a hot take that I never knew I wanted.
I first heard this tale from the anime Code Geass.
why am i crying over a fictional bomb
Because he made an *impact* on all of us
Kyubeyz_ NO, STOP
I wanted him to die
The thing that gets me is in paper mario bob ombs could blow up without dying why do they suddenly die now lol
@@monhi64 only dedicated partners don't die when they explode. Literally all other Bob ombs in every single mario game, paper mario / part of a cutscene died when exploding
Bobby giving that speech about all of his memories and everything before “what happened” makes it 100x worse knowing he’s doing what he did for people he just met
Worse as in more emotionally devastating or worse as in poorly written?
@@ND62511 emotionally devastating cmon this hit me hard in the feels
@@smokedsanjl ah, got it. I agree with you on that. It’s just the way the comment was worded made me a bit confused, is all.
Being young is seeing Bobby blow up and think "okay Bobby, thanks bro."
Being an adult is seeing Bobby blow up and question everything you thought you knew about the Mario series while sitting in shocked silence for five minutes before going to lie down
And feeling nauseous during the minigame where you shoot an endless stream of Bobby-faced Bob-Ombs towards a bunch of paper airplanes.
Just knowing that every shot you miss, a Bob-Omb did not get to make the "impact" they were depressingly living towards.
I felt that with Bobby, but I especially felt that with Olivia. Like:
Being young is watching Olivia sacrifice herself and thing "Okay Olivia, thanx fam."
being an adult is seeing Olivia wish herself away, when she could have easily wished anything else, or at the very least say "except me". Which then brings about a debate about the difference between sacrifice and suicide (which I'd argue, as there were so many other options, Olivia's "sacrifice" wasn't actually a sacrifice). Which leaves you in confusion for 5 days before lying down
@@tomdekler9280 I feel like Olivia and Mario should have scarred after that mini game
@@chriskagamine358 Sad, too. I do actually feel that it wasn't a sacrifice.
I really believe those bombs died honorably, Mario was put into a lot of stress in that section and was inevitable that some failures could've happened
It's not the first time that these airships have missed shots. Yet they still proudly group up knowing that maybe it can go wrong
Bobby's death is even more crazy when you compare to similar things in the other games. Bobbery almost died, but then he didn't because, obviously you need him as a partner. Grodus was blown up and turned into just a head by the Shadow Queen, and he didn't die. Luvbi, who was turned back into a Pure Heart, doesn't stay dead in the post game. The entire Sammer Kingdom was literally consumed by the Void - and might I add that the inhabitants of which are not found in either the Underwhere or the Overthere, meaning they didn't die, they actually ceased to exist - and even THEY didn't stay dead. Kersti was immediately brought back after sacrificing herself at the end of Sticker Star. But Bobby? Bobby dies and STAYS dead. I mean, this games plot is actually pretty damn dark if you analyze it, but this on top of all that? Good lord... It's nice to see see that Paper Mario is staring to try it's best at having dark plots again.
Technically Tippi dies though. Sure you can get a replacement, but she's very clearly a replacement. But otherwise yes.
Not only bobby, spoilers..........
Olivia also dies and stays like that :'(
Whyy?!?! Whyyyyyyyyy?!?!
@@cactus7121 Yes, but it's implied it's some sort of afterlife, since she's supposed to be stuck in her pixl form, and dying even so.
@@cactus7121 they died lol.
its a cliche.
I wont lie, when I faced scissors, I thought he was just being cocky about his,"Full force." I went straight for the handle. That's when the music kicked in and I actually felt scared for Mario and Olivia's lives
When he charged up his attack I just tried jumping on him because what bad can happen, right? I didn't expect to be greeted by an insta-death
In the Japanese version, Scissors isn't a cocky "Dual-bladed Duelist" but rather an ABSOLUTE PSYCHO "Snip-Snip Maniac". It acts all childish and says "Let's play!" right before the fight. Honestly, I would have preferred if they kept that, and it makes the unholy Cut-Out Soldiers and Paper Mistake Buzzy make a lot more sense.
@@wobbmin3705 OK, that's kind of scary 0_o
@@wobbmin3705 i mean, you can make the case that scissors's honorable personality is just a front for his true nature. he put the sheath on just for kicks, not to fight honourably. and when it's off, he can delay his attack, and even just go immediately
"I'd argue that the paper aesthetic was always one of its biggest draws."
Very nice.
I read this as he said it
What I loved most about Origami King was how it tried to give the toads a collective characterization that built a bit into the themes of the game.
From Sticker Star onwards, since the Toads couldn't have huge visual differences, the writing has attempted to lift each one up to varying success, but I think TOK has the most interesting interpretation of them.
They all come off as these sort of oddballs that are in varying states of obliviousness to danger or growth, and often get themselves into trouble because of the tendency to do stuff without thinking. Like the Toad Craftsman; what was the point to giving Olly life when all he was going to do was be an ornament for the Origami festival, and while Olly's motivation was clearly flawed, it's clear he didn't have much good guidance when he had been brought to life. You have the Toads casually cutting down the Whispering Woods despite the trees being alive and resenting it. You see Captian T Ode steal the Marino without thinking of the consequences.
These seems to be this running theme of them being these oddballs, not unlike the Candy People from Adventure Time, and it all seems to be making some commentary on the new restrictions that the designers have with the Toads. It takes their base personalities from the games, and just tries to push it to the extreme to give the Toads an almost surreal vibe to them. They're not villains, but it's clear that they're not all there, and they never seem to learn from any of it.
I heard that the Origami Craftsmans name was Theofold.
@@wobblewokgaming655 Where was that listed?
@@wobblewokgaming655 Yeah I heard that too in gamexplain's discussion about the ending of the game, tho I dunno where its from
This is probably one of the only times where flanderizing a characters oddballish behavior to its literal extremes actually improves their story significance both in universe and in a meta sense.
I always felt Olly's stance of "I hate toads!" was a nod to how fans have been feeling
Can't get over the fact that Olly is obviously an old Paper Mario Fan: "All Toads look the same and I want them gone!"
Olly is racist towards toads 😳
Based Olly
@@zucchini3154 You can't be racist to toads. They're toads.
@@rickrogan2355 r/wooosh
@@zucchini3154 that's not how r/woooosh works
I like the Legion of Stationery. They could have just not made them them talk at all, but they gave them personalities. I love that.
A mobster tape is actually amazing
They were funny but the fact that they’re art supplies...and they’re ALIVE...it’s just so ridiculous, and if this game was like color splash or sticker star I’d be like ok fine, but Origami King actually grounds it’s world a bit and has actual characters with motivations. I feel like the ridiculous stationary bosses kinda mess with my ability to take those parts of the game seriously.
The recent interviews with the developer about their restrictions is really disappointing, I'm hoping they lighten up with those restrictions. I really don't understand limiting the creativity of developing paper Mario, it's baffling
I hope so too, imo the restrictions are so damn ridiculous.
Restrictions don't limit creativity, they create it. It's analogous to origami itself... what can be made with a single square of paper? ... no scissors, no glue, just you and as many folds as you wish. It turns out the answer to this centuries old question is pretty much anything.
@@rasputozen I mean, sure in some ways, but only allowing ambiguous genders, barely able to add to character designs, it takes away way more creativity than it adds. Getting creative with how you write because of restrictions is far more detrimental than anything
@@rasputozen so what if i say that you have to make a game about only jumping block in an empty room with black background with noting to interact will it spark any creativity?HELL NO the restriction on any console is purely number if you can fit that many number it will work doesnt matter what "kind" of number it is
It's a pretty straightforward restriction. Nintendo is doing it to try and protect the IP from drift. It's not great, but... yeah, it's absolutely understandable why people put in charge of a billion-dollar franchise would be gunshy. I'm sure that what Sega allowed to happen to Sonic causes lots of executives nightmares.
Honestly, I'm more surprised you didn't talk more about the music in this game. It's one of the BEST video game soundtracks I've heard in an extremely long time, and complements the aesthetic of the game perfectly in every single minute.
The main battle theme being reworked in each chapter to fit the aesthetic was genius, and every single song in this game serves the sole purpose of enhancing what you're experiencing aesthetically and thematically. Yoshito Sekigawa was one of the main composers of The Thousand Year Door, and he took on the role of lead composer and sound director for this game, so that's another aspect that's taken from the older games.
There's also all the random song breaks, and I think it added so much personality to the game for me personally. I honestly think that the Shogun Theatre sequence at the end of Chapter 2 was the most enjoyable 40 minutes I've ever had in a Paper Mario game.
He didn't talk about it, He let you hear it for yourself when he says he bit the bullet ;P
Agreed wholeheartedly. The music is groundbreaking and complements the game so well. Master game scoring. Reminds me of childhood playing games and dancing in my seat cause the tunes fucking BOP haha
@@nik.olas328 That actually was me
oi me name's Rick good taste! Jun Ishikawa is one of my fav game composers, the Kirby soundtracks are so unique and wonderful
@@nik.olas328 aw thx! I also love Kirby music (and the lore), and apparently HAL is planning something big for Kirby. Can't wait. Back in '16 Planet Robobot randomly got announced in a Direct so I'm not gonna expect much in regards to advertisement.
I'll never get sick of the boss music in this game.
Word, I'll never get sick of all the battle music.
I loved the music in this game, especially in the latter half of the game. Final dungeon music is epic and I loved the dance track you walk around with in the crypt
Scissors and the mid-boss theme go HARD
Hole punch theme uttterly slaps
Such a good ost!!!
no matter if someone like or dislike this game there 1 thing no one can deny about origami king the music freaking SLAPS
😅 I’ve been playing for a while and I still can’t remember any of the music unless I reeeeallly think about it. It could be just me
EVFan Evee Really?!
Captain Jack Yeah and to be honest sometimes when I think of the music I start remembering Color Splash music 😬
Don’t get me wrong, the writing is funny and the visuals are gorgeous for Origami King. I’ll finish playing and see if my opinion changes 🤷🏻♂️
Stapler boss music and Thrills At night are frickinnnn bbbbopppppiiinnngggg
@@evfanevee1857 The music really gets better once you reach the third main area. One problem I do have is that since normal battles tend to end quickly you don't get to hear the standard battle themes as often. It's a shame since even though they are remixes of each other, they are still all at least decent imo.
I'm on a KingK binge now after that All-Stars video. Bobby as a character makes me cry every time, I miss the lad.
Same.
will bobby forever be remembered
RIP
HE PLAYES SCISSORS THEME AND I SEE THE HOUSE OF HABSBURG AND THE AUSTRO HUNGARIAN FLAG
@@IndustrialParrot2816 what
?
30:40 just gonna say that it's actually his dead best bud's fuse,also olivia confuses another bob-omb for bobby and thanks him(I think this was either in bowser's castle or before the airship section) and then you shoot a bunch of bob-ombs at those paper airplanes and like ;-;
That just ripped my heart out
That part was painful
I think what I'm happiest about is to see you calling characters "Tape" and "Hole Punch" and just treating them as characters rather than purely as gimmicks. Paper Mario's always been for outlandish encounters, so seeing that the script was able to elevate such obvious appeals to the aesthetic into characters that can be seen beyond purely their appearance and function says SO MUCH about the game's writing, as that is an incredibly hefty hurdle to climb. The one thing that has never changed about Paper Mario has been its ability to surprise me, even if Sticker Star ended up being a particularly unpleasant surprise. This feels like such.a natural build from Sticker Star and Color Splash, finally coming unto its own after a few games of experimentation with mixed results. Thank you, I was going to sit on this one for a couple more months, but I think I can get back in now!
Hope I didn't spoil too much for you!
@@KingKlonoa Dude, I NEEDED the hook. I should be thanking you for spoilers, really!
Still going to mess with Color Splash😋. Though I am having second thoughts😔. Maybe just start out with a game copy like Paper Jam and Sticker Star.
@@KingKlonoa play a real f*cking game like Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles Remake thats coming out in a few weeks, that game doesn't hold your hand like _OrIgAmI kInG_ and doesn't have an atrocious battle system, like Origami King. It looks great and has an amazing soundtrack, unlike Origami King. You can even customize and chose what your character looks like, unlike Origami King. Best of all, the game isn't Origami King OR isn't part of the _mAriO mYtHoS_ , unlike Origami King. edit: odds are, pompous idiots like you won't even regard this post because _yOuR sO mUcH bEttEr tHaN oThER pEoPLe._
@Finn Jager I get Nintendo is Japanese. I don't need their culture shoved down my throat. And it literally feels pointless progressing in this game. And the battles are yet again pointless with no incentive to boost your stats since every battle is impossible to lose edit: and there is no experience system, no partners, no real story, just some pretentious drek about _not being able to add to the Mario Universe_ which is a load of bull.
Seeing that interview with the game's director was so illuminating. He perfectly spelled out why Sticker Star was hobbled so much, from all of Nintendo's restrictions. With this game, though, it seems like they finally figured out how to work within those restrictions and still come up with something great. The creative spirit always breaks through.
Technically it wasn't JUST Miyamoto's meddling that fucked things up. Technically nobody at Nintendo said that they had to use exclusively Toads and Goombas and other basic Mario enemies. Even with the restriction of "only old Mario baddies" there were still plenty of monsters they could've chosen; Yoshis could, y'know, exist meaningfully, the weird paint Mario apparition from Galaxy and Sunshine could've been in Color Splash (big missed opportunity,) they could've pulled from Super Mario World and used things like Blargg or Rex, but the team got lazy and decided to do the most basic shit possible.
The restrictions are so ridiculous. They aren't even allowed to make female Mushroom Kingdom characters and everyone has to stay the same age.
@@polocatfan The director of Sticker Star wasn't even the same dude who directed Thousand Year Door. It takes a Google search and five minutes of reading dude.
@@damienthonk1506 ...yeah and? So?
@@Mqstodon A game made by different people will be different. Thought that much was obvious.
Finished it last night. It's pretty damn good. While I still have a lot of hang-ups with The Origami King that were also present in the last two PM games, Origami is the first PM game that I've fully enjoyed since TTYD (I have issues with SPM's overall gameplay and pacing despite it still having a lot of the qualities from the classic PM games). That said, I am still disappointed with TOK because it feels like a good game that was held back from being truly AMAZING for frustratingly arbitrary reasons like Nintendo's silly character restrictions. You really feel the devs desperately struggling with those mandates with Professor Toad and Ode, resorting to distinct facial expressions to try to make them stand out.
And then there is the refusal to use the greater roster of the Mario series. Even with the restrictions on modifying NPCs, why are Toads STILL the only non-Bowser affiliated normal NPC race that they're willing to use when the mainline Mario series already has Piantas, Nokis, Lumas, Gearmos, Whittles, Penguins, Yoshis (still feels weird that they're not in this even as a cameo) and dozens of other options that could make the world so much more exciting and lively. Why is Birdo one of the deepest cuts in the roster.
While the boss fights are absolutely amazing, the normal battle mechanics, while being way better than CS and SS, don't go nearly far enough with the combat system. Enemies all feel the same mechanically with a few exceptions which cause the puzzles to feel tedious before long. It needed more stuff like the Boos and the Lil' cutout soldiers that I'm shocked were only used like 3 times. It also needed more types of attacks that could hit different enemy formations beyond the vertical rows or quads of enemies as well as different weakness types to make both the puzzles and combat more interesting and varied instead of feeling a bit paint-by-numbers. Also we need more types of action commands again beyond timed presses, they feel like they're just there as a formality now and don't add much to the game anymore. If they are ever willing to embrace their RPG roots again, the turntable battle system has a LOT of untapped potential to be something MUCH greater than TTYD's combat and I hope an indie dev takes a crack at their own spin on the system.
I would love to see Daisy and Rosalina in a Paper Mario game. Paper Mario could do a lot to make Daisy more likeable to people
Nintendo’s “only use preexisting Mario characters” mandate should have been an excuse to bring over the whole damn roster of established characters, from Pauline to Wario. But instead Intelligent Systems seems intent to just use Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, and a million Toads.
@@justinc.5591 To be fair, it could be another higher-ups thing. I wonder if they had to fight the higher-ups just to add in things like sidesteppers. Even then it's still weird how we don't see any paper counterparts of all of the folded soldiers.
I think a lot of design restrictions likely came from the puzzle aspect, I was thinking about this while playing - why not have like, the tail attack hit in a different pattern, like a half crescent shape on a single row? But then I realized - if they had added items with more attack patterns, it would have made the puzzles much more complicated; there would now be much more solving possibilities to take into account. Either they add the crescent as recognizable puzzle solution whenever you have the item in your inventory, OR you would need to fail the puzzle on purpose to make use of it, which would make that item weaker since it wouldnt benefit from the puzzle solving boost. Seems like one of many small ways there is a tension between the puzzle and turn based combat halves of the system
I implore you to _please_ give SPM another chance, sure the gameplay is nothing special, but mother of fucking God that story is so fucking good
If Super was dark, boy howdy, is this game dark. When the enemies become Folded Soldiers, they become blank slates. It establishes that Olly is a threat, rather than a 2-dimensional villian.
Scissors: mutilating and torturing its enemies purely for sadistic glee
Like, not even murder. Everything barring mario is still alive...
Did anyone else see the "let me in, LET ME IN" joke in shogun studios?
LET ME IN, *LET ME IN!!!*
Or when the shy guy said “vibin” or what about when the goombas said “we’ll take this L”
Also, Collectible Treasure number 69. Nintendo has to know what they did with it.
I think I have 🤔🤔🤔
@@Tyree42069 Nintendo of America really killed it with the localization XD
Kingk I love your channel man. It's like a time capsule back to simplier times for me. 😢
I know this is a literal pipedream, but it would be cool to have a retrospective on the Mario and Luigi series since they are critically underrated, especially Partners in Time and Dream Team.
They are? They were such amazing games. I'm surprised Partners in time never got the remake treatment.
To Mo
I think they didn’t get remakes because alpha dream didn’t make a lot of money from SS DX and Paper Jam, so they remade their most sold and fan favorite game, Bowsers inside story.
@@sharpshooterxigbar5713 Paper jam sold around 1 million copies, I think what screwed alphadream are the remakes being released on a dead console.
The marketing for the series got worse each release.
@@someguy426 3ds is a handheld, but i see your point
I love Origami King for what it is. I don't despise it for what it isn't. And what it is is one of the best adventure-puzzle games I've played in a long time
If they changed the name maybe I could give it a chance. Completely changing what it used to be (an rpg) to an adventure puzzle game and giving it the Paper Mario title doesnt feel right
@@foamqueen1075 that sounds like a you problem though. Also idk if that makes sense honestly? Like, you would play it if it wasn't paper mario? Why? The gameplay would be still the same
@@Mqstodon if I'm in the mood for pizza (paper mario) I dont want to eat spaghetti (TOK). Sure spaghetti tastes good but I'm craving some pizza right now. I can no longer get pizza (paper mario) because it's been replaced by spaghetti. They all have their place. Paper Mario is changing almost everything that we fell in love with while giving it the same name. They replaced the dough with pasta and the toppings with meatballs to the point where it's almost unrecognizable. It seems like a bit more of a me problem since a lot of people have this issue with the series.
@@cactus7121 why should I have to go to another series to get what the paper mario series was? They are completely changing paper Mario's identity from what it used to be.
I've been playing TTYD pit of 100 trial challenge runs and bug fables may be in my future when I get bored of these. Still disappointing there will never be another true paper mario game but I accepted that once I saw the trailer for this game. It's never going back and neither am I
@@foamqueen1075 Gaming and Nintendo isn't a restaurant though.
I can't get over just how amazing the world is. After collecting toads you can exchange toad points to view art in the art gallery, and among concept art and early versions of locations you see sketches and sometimes real life photos of how everything is made, sketches showing how entire building would be folded together really show the dedication that went into crafting this world
Wow, you even saw things that I didn't see like comparing Bobby's life to Olly's life. Well done on highlighting everything about this game that was great and all the things it fixed from earlier games. Colour Splash might be worth a playthrough depending on what you enjoyed out of this. Battles in CS are really slow and obnoxious but there were quite a number of areas that I really enjoyed like exploring the islands and is certainly a step up from Sticker Star.
I second color splash. It's not as good as Origami King, but exploring it's environments is equally as fun, and I really enjoyed the characters and the writing. The levels are more inventive and diverse than you might think going in - they are pretty great actually. The paint can - hewy - was a really good character. Not like the bubbly, naive and witty Olivia, but good in his own way. I recommend the "touch + buttons" setting so you can select and paint cards without using the stylist - makes the game 100% better and removes most of the common objections I've seen in reviews about the game (card stacking would be the only recommendation I could give the developers honestly). It's not the default setting. Also, don't use "Advanced" setting that people often recommend since that one is equally as bad since it disables buttons as well.
@@Katie-hb8iq omg I didnt know i could change the selecting cards un battle to an actual button and not just the stylus!!!!! thx i might actually play to relax in the atmosphere now !
@@daxbello4505 Enjoy! It makes the game a lot better. In fact, you can sort of see which reviews gave the game a good review when using this setting, and the people that didn't give this game a good review didn't use it :/
I am so mad my mom got me this crap game when she could have just got me vbucks 4 fortnite
"Seeing a Sidestepper again brought me right back to my childhood playing Mario Bros. _on my Super Mario Advance cartridge."_
I'm just going to collapse into dust now after being reminded there are generations of people whose first Mario Bros. experience wasn't with the arcade game.
Eh, mine is with the NES cart. :P
You think that's bad? I got nostalgic over the Crowbers. Y'know, those crow enemies from NSMBDS.
@@omnipasta seeing Crowbers back was wild, especially when they're kinda on the obscure side
@@omnipasta saaaame. imagine if we got Snailicorns in the game
I think it's totally fair that a lot of people skipped out on Color Splash because of it seemingly being another Sticker Star (and especially on a console few people even had). But a lot of the things you praise in this video are arguably in that game too. While Origami King is the better game for sure, I always felt that they managed to do a lot with the pre-established enemies and characters in Color Splash. Many of them are also NPCs you can interact with and a lot of obscure enemies are brought back, too. Bowser also talks again (thank God).
Even gameplay-wise I feel like Color Splash is a much more successfully-executed version of Sticker Star, puzzles are way less cryptic and you're always told what items you need for boss battles. There are also plenty of memorable locations in that game, like a wild west-themed area and a remote set of islands with a secret that was honestly the highlight of the game for me. Hell, I even think the world map was a good thing too. Rather than connect disposable levels it actually connects areas you often revisit multiple times, mostly eliminating the backtracking that bogged down parts of Thousand-Year Door.
While I have few hesitations in recommending Origami King, I also think Color Splash is great for anybody willing to go in with an open mind. It still manages to have a lot of character. I honestly think it's way too overlooked even if it doesn't quite hit the same highs as Origami King, so I hope you do give it a chance sometime.
Holy SHIT, Scissors may have just sold me on this game alone.
Best boss
SCISSORS IS SO GOOD DUDE
A pair of scissors is surprisingly one of the most vicious villans to ever appear in paper mario.
@@someguy426 I really don't think viscous was the word you wanted to use there.
@@tomdekler9280 Thank you I didn't notice😂
The visuals of this game are basically the video game version of the Lego movie
The Lego movie has EVERYTHING Lego and this has everything oragami
As both a lego and an origami aficionado I can confirm this. I had a bit of a moment towards the end when I saw the origami pipes thinking 'That's exactly how I would have gone about folding that!' Also the fact that the bad guy was apparently an origami purist taken to the nth degree. And the visuals were just perfect, I know you can't fold everything they presented out of a single, uncut, square piece of paper, still all the folds and joints behaved correctly and I could convince myself the were. It a gorgeous and fun game.
@@christadaniels1293 Fun fact: When they were making the game they made sure all of the folded toads and soldiers were actually possible to fold.
@@gracklepolp0534 Nice touch
@@gracklepolp0534 *now if only they released videos detailing how to make them ourselves*
Note that when the Water Vellumental winds up and telegraphs its Tidal Wave attack (a reference to Final Fantasy's Leviathan as well as to the Water Vellumental being the Water Dragon of the East, Seiryu), it doesn't just summon the tidal wave out of nowhere like Leviathan, it literally engorges itself on the water in preparation to launch it, becoming a living water balloon and inflating itself with an entire body of water like the Dragon of Prague.
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Ok, on my way to gamestop. I’m giving it a shot, say no more.
If the title wasn't enough
You made the BEST decision.
Good choice
Pat on the back
This game has touched me. 2007 was the last time I got to experience a true Paper Mario title. I remember hearing the fans complain about the departure from the turn based combat, how not having traditional partners was blasphemy and much more. I disagreed. SPM was a fantastic, but different game. It didn't have the things I loved about the last two games, but it had the soul of the series. At its core, the series is about adventure, deep underlying story elements eclipsed by a largely light hearted and funny coating, and the ridiculous situations Mario and co. get into. I had no idea that what would come next would be so far removed from what I loved about the series that it'd break my heart. After Sticker Star (whose impact on me needs no explanation) Color Splash only served to destroy my hope for anything resembling a Paper Mario game. With people demanding partners, badges and turn based combat I thought that the true soul of Paper Mario would be lost. The story, the adventure, the characters.
And suddenly, I awoke to the brand new trailer of an all new Paper Mario adventure. It must be the same as the last two right? Just a soulless, bland Mario game. Regardless, with all hope depleted, I knew I would buy it. I owed it to my childhood self to see if this was the tombstone on the grave of what made me so happy as a kid. Around that same time, Bug Fables, an RPG molded from the very atoms that made up Paper Mario 64 and TTYD, was released on switch. It was tauted by fans as the Paper Mario we had been waiting for. After seeing gameplay... I immediately purchased it. I went to start the software and dive into what I knew Origami King wouldn't give me. A traditional Paper Mario experience. But I paused. Xenoblade was releasing soon, I would have something to play until July. I had work, I had my other hobbies. I thought for a while, and turned my switch off. I decided to wait until The Origami King released. I should wait, give the game a fair chance and then play Bug Fables. I didn't want to play something knowing it was what I would enjoy, just to sully the experience of something I knew had no interest in appeasing me. Origami King wasn't made to recreate the feeling I got when playing Paper Mario 64, TTYD or even Super. It was a game that had its own identity, that was evident enough from the trailers. I just didn't know if it'd be what I desired in a Paper Mario game. The characters, the story, the settings... would they be intact? Or remain a shell of their former selves as they had in the last two games? All I knew was that playing Bug Fables would give me even more bias, and potentially impact my enjoyment of TOK. So I waited. I still haven't played Bug Fables, but I've 100% completed TOK.
My decision may have paid off. Though I don't know if Bug Fables would have made me bitter towards Origami King, I do know that Paper Mario The Origami King is a game that satiates my craving for something I would say deserves the moniker of "Paper Mario". A story fueled by superiority complexes, sacrifice and utterly hilarious comedy mixed with body horror. The Origami King really reminds me of Super Paper Mario. Its the third game in a line of similarly styled Paper Mario experiences that rejects much of what made up the identity of its two predecessors. It created a new battle system and focused on what it thought was the best thing to focus on. It is a game that exists for itself and does a damn good job at it. I love Paper Mario The Origami King. Not because its the Paper Mario I wanted, but its the Paper Mario I needed. It proved that just because the games aren't what they once were, they can still have that same spirit they once held. The settings, the comedy, the story and even the characters hidden in the generic Mushroom Kingdom enemies and citizens are ALL great. This is the feeling I had longed for.
Just like with SPM, there are those who dislike it for simply not being TTYD or 64, but I know that this game will mark the beginning of a new and promising era of Paper Mario. Let the sales speak, let the game speak. Paper Mario is, unapologetically, back.
“This game has touched me.”
Uh oh, don’t worry, I’ll call 911.
I had a similar experience with Color Splash, I thought I would hate it yet I ended up enjoying it. It's honestly a surprise that more old fans are becoming more open to this current era of the series. I haven't played TOK yet but I'm certain I'll like it just how I did with Super and Color Splash.
@@jeremyknight9980 I'm glad you enjoyed Color Splash. I may not have gotten the feeling I longed for out of CS, but I'm glad others, like yourself, did.
TOK still doesn't have the soul of a Paper Mario game (64 TTYD SPM)
6/10
4:24 Honestly, all of my "friends" are never even going to give Origami King a chance. They are still stuck with the "Give us TTYD 2" and won't even check out the charm the game shares. I played the game, even gave my viewers a challenge where I'd only continue the adventure if I got 5 likes on said stream. And since this video has spoilers in it, you can figure out that I've beaten the game and honestly I'd have to say if this was the first paper mario game I'd have ever played, I'd have wanted to check out all the other paper mario games. I've played all 6 Paper Mario Games (2 of which I have never beaten, 2 I have beaten on Stream, and 2 not on stream but I plan to) All 6 bring something to the table.
Heck, I've been wondering how they could use a sort of Time Travel thing for Paper Mario. something that brings back the older games and the newer games in a way that makes them stand out.
when bobby died, i was like, "shit. this just got serious. this isn't sticker star 3. this is the origami king!"
I really need to pick this up. It honestly looks so delightful.
Don't you mean delicious
Same
It’s a really fun time. Battles could be a little better but the rest of the game is so good it makes up for it
Chickenz Yeah the battles are really the only big problem I felt like for this game(except boss battles those were awesome)
Nintendo refuses to allow new characters because they are tied to whoever made them. Management atm would much prefer stretching what they already have than dare share the reigns of ownership with another entity. There's a reason as far back as Super Mario RPG, we haven't been seeing most anyone new to a game 'ever' return.
R.I.P. Mallow
@@oimenamesrick Goodbye Archie Sonic.
@@felipe_drawmania1604 lol #archiesonicforsmash
0:00 Fond Memories of The Original 3
1:00 November 11th, 2012
Where Are The Lovely Novel Characters?
Why is Bowser Silent?
5:20 _Oragami King_ 👑 2020
6:57 It RULES
9:00 Household Enemies
12:45 The Whole World is PAPER 📝
13:57 Chain Chomp Guard
16:31 Interconnected Areas
And LORE
• 4 Elementals
18:43 Night and Day changes
*Battle*
20:07 Puzzle Combat 🧩
23:36 Colored Pencil
24:10 Tape
25:00 Regular enemies
*Characters*
29:45 King Ali
"Original" lmao
Ok nice
Ahh damn this video is a paradox. I wouldnt have known how good the story could be without it, but now too much of it has been spoiled. Still gonna get it now.
I was surprised when Kamek said he was "grateful he got some kind of gratitude" after you find his trophy, its small things like that, that made me love the game
18:07 I wouldn’t be surprised if this was a commentary on Japanese Shrine culture
I think the series is in a difficult spot. I think it’s trying to reinvent itself which I respect but in that attempt a lot of the great stuff about the first few games has gone out the window. The combat of Origami probably will be different to the next game too, so they can’t fully develop and improve this system. The series is defining “throwing the baby out with the bath water” imo.
I think they are stuck in that Nintendo "do things different" mentality, and it's only going to hurt series identity and make for an experimental mess each time. They did pretty decent for what it's worth with combat in Origami King, but still could have been so much better (and is a huge step away from the first 2 games).
Nintendo has stated in interviews that they believe it necessary to never use the same battle system in two different games in the paper mario series.
Shooting StarGamer that could be good in some aspects but it sounds bad in most of them
Pre-release I was super ambivalent about TOK but after playing it it’s cemented itself as one of my favorite Paper Mario games. I didn’t even mind Nintendo’s strange limitations on characters that much because they used series stars like Luigi, Bowser, & Kamek extremely well. Not to mention I think it has the best OST in the series. If this is the future of Paper Mario, I’m more than okay with that!
This game was so joyous to play. I remember thinking at one point "wow, I actually want to keep playing and it's 1 AM and I'm exhausted" after playing all day long prior. It really grabbed me in a way Sticker Star never did. I tried Sticker Star twice and there just wasn't anything there. But Origami King? Such a great time to be had. A lovingly cRaFtEd world.
Videos on The Origami King has always been about comparing this game to The Thousand Year Door, it's nice to see someone put work onto a video talking about the game on it's own.
I'm SOOOOO happy to see everyone here showing this game the respect it ABSOLUTELY deserves, I'm one of the biggest fans of "The Thousand-Year Door" ever and I actually feel this game truly rivals that masterpiece (and I don't make a statement like that lightly)!!!
I do recommend playing Color Splash because it seriously makes "Sticker Star" look like a beta of a bad joke by comparison, it won't blow you away as much as "The Origami King", but it's still definitely worth the time (one of the first Toads you rescue in the game cracked me up by saying the line "I lost to the first Goomba, just like a grandma", if they're going to keep abusing the amount of Toads in these games I'm just glad that they're filling them with unique personalities now, a task which OBVIOUSLY "Sticker Star" failed MISERABLY at).
Just saying though you may not like what you find if you revisit Super on the Wii, because I did recently and that game is CHOCK-FULL of HORRIBLE design choices not to mention stands as the EASIEST GAME I HAVE EVER PLAYED BY A LONG SHOT (they even failed at their Legend of Zelda reference in the game by having the text claim the currency as Rubees...IT'S RUPEES NINTENDO, HOW'D YOU MESS THAT ONE UP)!
I imagine the spelling “Rubees” was intentional as the currency itself was red like rubies. Really enjoyed that level concept specifically
Try Bug Fables
@@zakrios7389 Actually I have, it's great :)
The music was stellar, when I got to the second world I actually sat there for a bit just enjoying how great it was.
Don’t even get me started on the boss fight music.
Origami King has quickly ran through the ranks to top 3 switch titles for me. I even have a tattoo of Bobby exploding, it looks like a sticker, and around it it says "RIP Bobby"
Shogun studios has got to be the best area in the game, might even grow to become an iconic location in the entire series
as soon as Thrills at Night started playing I knew this was gonna be a good video
I mean, yes, I agree the crossover between M&L and Paper Mario was wasted, but not because old characters didn't return.
Old characters virtually never do in these games. Tubba Blubba and Prince Peasley bowed out of the series a long time ago.
What bugs me is that they couldn't have a new opponent. New characters, new environments, new anything.
I am so mad my mom got me this crap game when she could have just got me vbucks 4 fortnite
@@RickSatan not sure why you tried to bait me in particular but sorry dude, try a different comment, maybe that one'll get an angry "grrr fortnite bad" response.
I'm really glad you gave the game a chance... so many negative comments on youtube presenting themselves as "the majority". Paper Mario was one of the best games I played all year. I absolutely loved it - especially the environments, the interactivity, olivia, the writing, the soundtrack (wow is it really good), the boss battles and the partners. It's not perfect but it's really good.
Pretty sure most of the negativity comes from the interview with Tanabe and his team about the restrictions Nintendo has on him.
@@tomo8940 i read a lot of people complain about lack of experience or battles not mattering and that sort of thing. Makes me sad they won't give it a chance since this paper mario oozes with love and polish.
@@Katie-hb8iq Well it's true they made the battle system completely pointless again for the 3rd time since you can farm for confetti almost anywhere and the game showers you with coins. The game could have been more creative with unique character designs but it's kinda ironic Nintendo restricted the creativity of the series. I'd recommend checking out some of the concept art for Color Splash.
@@tomo8940 yeah, the restrictions were definitely weird. I actually commend the dev team more for writing such memorable characters given these restrictions. They did a great job given what they had to work with.
@@Katie-hb8iq Yeah for real.
This is the video I needed. You said everything I had to say on how Paper Mario just...stopped being Paper Mario, but better.
And then you said Origami King is good, and that's where I had to pause because you only get one blind playthrough of a game.
Edit: And if anyone needs a second opinion, holy crap it's fun. It does actually feel like a Paper Mario game, even if the combat is totally different and there are massively more things to find and collect. The bosses are all awesome, too.
Also, this game is delightfully happy to throw you a game over, sometimes for a cheap gag shortly after an auto-save or before giving you the option to just go back to the point you got owned. Jumping in lava in PM1? Like five damage. OK? You're paper, in lava.
@nerdtronis141 Or maybe I've come to trust the opinion of a tuber who often shares my criticisms of games and steers me toward gems I'd otherwise overlook and wind up enjoying the hell out of.
But no, of course your take that gets spewed out by millions of similar people with the exact same phrasing like it's some kind of mating call for teenage edgelords on the web is right on the money. Baa, bucko.
@nerdtronis141 Saying "sheep mentality", when it isn't, is sheep mentality.
@nerdtronis141 rude
Yea I’m a paper mario 1 and thousand year door lover. But my god did origami king touch my heart. It’s now one of my favorites, Olivia was so beautiful and the story, that I had to buy origami paper and learn to create her and I’m 29 years old.
Heck do I agree
The best way I've found to describe the evolution of paper mario is as follows:
First 3: Elementary school art project involving the whole class. Kids make the characters, teacher makes the sets
SS and CS: Your first few attempts at doing it yourself in middle school
Oragami King: Your bachelor of arts final in senior year where you have full access to the professor's entire supply to craft it.
Paper Mario: The Origami King is a game that I had a blast completing to 100%. And even after that, I was left with a feeling that I hadn't felt in a _very_ long time.
The feeling of "I wouldn't mind doing it all over again right now".
I moved right on the bug fables lol
I also moved to bug fables lol, I only beat OK to see what it was all about an get it over with
It was able to prove that it's fun and the epic story comes as a bonus. Love it.
How can I like a video multople times?
Its really cool to hear that a TTYD fan gave this ganne a chance and that they also liked it. Btw, you made me tear up when talking about Bobby, and the moral of the story. I didnt really notice those themes while playing the game, and now im glad somebody pointed it out, giving me a reason to love tjis game even more :)
DEXUS??? Is that u? I am honored to be in ur presence
To be fair to Paper Jam:
At least Shimomura decided to compose Darkness of the Unknown Part 4 for the Final Boss. That has to count for something lmao
@Gameboy224 agreed
I loved the game and im replaying it rn actually due to a M&L marathon. I get why there isnt paper mario original characters but i kinda wished bean/block people were at least here. Its less paper mario goes into a m&l world and more so a paper mario goes into a Mario world and thats whats disappointing to me.
I was really pissed off at Paper Jam when I was fourteen years old, and I still do hate it to this day, but I have more of a soft spot for it now, because of the fact that it was the last game they ever made (remakes don't count), and as an adult, it feels like Super Mario 64 to me now. And what I mean by that is that it captures the feeling of dreams the same way that game did and still does. The feeling of finding something hidden deep in something you thought you knew, with familiar things rearranged in new ways, yet something is just slightly off. It just keeps going, and you feel yourself getting lost, but you just can't help exploring even further.
Trying to find where Paper Luigi is resting for example.
Ya
Bowser is Xemnas confirmed
So refreshing to see a video essay that cuts out all the bullshit. No stupid plot synopsis, no going over stuff we already know to pad out runtime, just pure analysis and feeling. Bravo
I really respect this video for your honesty and willingness to see beyond your personal tastes, it's something I'm learning to do now and your Learning to Love series really do wonders helping me understand how to see something from a new perspective
Is it kinda messed up that I cried during this video?? I literally started tearing up because I love this game so much for what it finally satisfies in my life. I think I'm just really hormonal but bless thus game so much tbh
Awwww that's so sweet
How's that messed up, it's wholesome
hey no lol, i feel it. i feel i've played "objectively better" games than origami king, but i'd say it has a more important place in my heart than some of these other games because of where i was when it came into my life. i feel that's how some stories and pieces of art work; like people, they somehow find the exact right time to find you and touch your heart in a way nothing else can.
It's like they're truly showing us what they meant the series to be for now.
Or they finally manage to refine the idea they had for Sticker Star (puzzle adventure) to it's intended conclusion... which means the next Paper Mario may very well go a whole new direction again. :P
I am so mad my mom got me this crap game when she could have just got me vbucks 4 fortnite
@@RickSatan "she could have gotten me vbucks 4 fortnite"
Grow up, 5 year old
I really appreciate all the love and care you put into your videos, they're always a treat to watch. Your passion oozes out of these videos and I hope your career keeps flourishing in a way that makes you happy.
There's a future timeline where the next paper mario regresses further and people flip their opinion on Origami King. In that future I will stand on the hill that, this game's music slaps.
Let me on that hill
Me too
Good to hear that you love it! Unlike most fans I wasn’t “cautiously optimistic” since I knew Origami King would be different from Sticker & Color despite following the same arts and crafts theme. It’s definitely one of my favorite games of 2020 and is a definite must-buy in my eyes.
I can say in full confidence that The Origami King is the best we've gotten in years, and some day in the future I think that the fanbase will look back fondly on this one.
I agree. People didn't like super paper mario for a while, but recently people have started to like it.
@@lovelyunknown There has always been love and support for Super Paper Mario, it's been the biggest talk for several months when it came out, most people just hated the gameplay, but the story and characters were highly fond over. More people are giving it a chance because Sticker Star and Color Splash were terrible entries.
As soon as I hit the first music number I was fucking sold
I'm glad you enjoy Paper Mario The Origami King its a pretty great game from beginning to end.
Oh Boy, this was a long comment to type but I will say this.
But for everyone and Paper Mario fans
I'll respect your opinion on not liking or being mixed on Paper Mario The Origami King besides we all have different tastes in video games and that it's best to respect other people's opinions too we are all entitled to have opinions on video games, negative or positive.
I'm not a fan of Modern Paper Mario, I'm not a fan of Old Paper Mario. I'm a fan of Paper Mario as a series.
Now I never grew up with the last two Paper Mario games but I did play Super Paper Mario as a kid which was my first introduction to Paper Mario getting me hooked on the series/franchise and I'm glad to play it on my Nintendo Wii so many great memories playing it.
I would say this I really enjoy and love playing Paper Mario Sticker Star and Color Splash and I'm happy to give these two games a chance because of trying new things in the Paper Mario series/franchise sure I understand why OG Paper Mario fans want to go back to the original battle system and story heck I play Paper Mario 64 on the Wii U Virtual Console great game and a perfect way to start a spinoff/franchise but if you continue doing the same battle system and story it will get boring in my opinion.
I think Paper Mario Sticker Star and Color Splash version of EXP It’s more so a feeling of progression and self-growth more than lack of EXP. While yes Sticker Star and Color Splash lack EXP, it still has Mario grow by getting more HP Hearts, Coins, Secret Doors, and Extra Book Pages to store more stickers and for Color Splash it's the Mini Hammers to upgrade your Paint Storage and you get more powerful battle cards as you go on with the story even getting an HP Heart at the end of the Chapter/Big Paint Star which I thought was pretty cool and unique in my opinion.
Now Paper Mario The Origami King version of EXP is confetti to fill your confetti bag to patch the Not-Bottomless Holes which is like Color Splash colorless spots which is pretty good, coins to buy badges/accessories and better weapons to help you in combat you can even use coins to spend on the battle timer to gain more time also you can use coins to call in Toads to cheer/help you in battle, exploring the world to find hidden secrets and toads, HP Hearts to make Mario stronger and many more that I won't spoil for everyone. I myself really enjoy the self-growth and progression EXP a lot in The Origami King and the battles are super fun and great even the bosses battle are super unique, creative, and challenging and I love it a lot in my opinion.
I enjoy and love every partner in Paper Mario from Goombario, Kooper, Bombette, Parakarry, Lady Bow, Watt, Sushie, Lakilester, Tippi, The Pixls, Kersti, Huey, and finally Olivia each having unique and cute personalities to them. (I would be happy to say the other partners' names In Origami King but that would be spoiling Paper Mario The Origami King sorry everyone)
The partners in Paper Mario The Origami King are so fun and watching them act/fight in combat are so great to see and sometimes it's best and learned to say goodbye to the partners we made on our journey/adventure but the memories we made with them are worth remembering.
I'm not a big fan of post-game stuff in video games but I can understand that for people who like doing post-game stuff and I'm fine with Paper Mario The Origami King showing you a secret cutscene at the end and mention your 100% achievement also giving you a gold star in your profile pretty good way to end a great game in my opinion.
Of course, not all the Paper Mario games weren't perfect, nothing is perfect, but all of them were still fun and exciting also cool to play all the way through.
I don't mind people calling Paper Mario The Origami King "Sticker Star 3" or "Color Splash 2" because I really had a great and fun time playing Sticker Star and Color Splash from beginning to end.
I'm super glad to finally play Paper Mario The Origami King on my Nintendo Switch super great game from beginning to end also 100% it too anyway my rating for Paper Mario The Origami King is a 9/10 from adding so many new things, fun and great battles/boss battles, puzzles, and creative bosses even the story is great and I would highly recommend this to fans of Paper Mario Sticker Star and Paper Mario Color Splash in my humble opinion.
I'm really glad to play Super Paper Mario, Paper Mario 64, Paper Mario Sticker Star, Paper Mario Color Splash, and now finally Paper Mario The Origami King, and I would be happy to put Paper Mario The Origami King on my top 10 games of 2020.
I'm not interested in getting Bug Fables because that's not my cup of tea sorry everyone again.
At the end of the day, we can all agreed that Paper Mario is a great and fun series/franchise that everyone can enjoy old and new that's the true magic of Mario games anyway peace everyone.
You didn’t play the first 2 so this is invalid
Too long didnt read it all but I still gave it a like for effort lol
I honestly just prefer the original gameplay, if I wanted different gameplay I'd just play another game tbh , this is why I enjoyed bug fables more, that game plays was very similar to the original an also very fun
@@shoom3332 boo, boo to you i say!
Eric Wijaya I was joking, making fun of those people
3:53 executive meddling. No, I'm not just saying that, the studio lead designer said they couldn't use them. It sucks, yes, but at least Origami King tries some new designs and uses really obscure mario enemies, like sidesteppers, to at least not feel the exact same.
The Graybles were also obscure because they were only in New Super Mario Brothers DS.
Paper Mario: The Origami King or as I like to call it: "Oh dear gods, I wasn't prepared for this! I'm crying over a living bomb and papercraft people! Nintendo, why must you destroy my soul!?"
(Also, a minor spoiler, but I actually forgot to go back to the photoshoot shop in Shogun Studios before continuing the story so I ended up going back to do so after Bob-omb gave his life and was completely taken by surprise when his spirit showed up alongside Mario and Olivia in the picture that I actually smiled and cried tears of joy. Legit, I haven't cried this much at a story in a Mario game since Admiral Bobbery's and Rosalina's backstories and considering one of those two is from the best Paper Mario game, in my opinion, that is a high level of praise on my part.)
God, I love that road in the background of the hole punch fight
“Oh, he’s dancing DIRTY.”
God, I can't tell you how bloody amazing this was. You basically said all that I loved about the game, and then some. I had no idea what to expect going into this. But what I saw hyped me from the trailers. When I started playing and as time kept going on, I legit was happy and ecstatic. Solving the puzzles in both the battles, boss battles, and overworld were satisfying and fun. I can't tell you how much I am happy you brought up the visuals being an evolution of Paper Mario's visuals. The music, by god something bit the composers that day. This soundtrack is honestly godlike, easily up there with other heavy hitters. The exploration was fun, writing was amazing, and characters were great. I have gripes here and there, but I overall at the end had a wonderful experience. I honestly hope the developers see what was good about this and further improve on it.
I never thought I would get emotionally attached to a bob-omb named Bobby, and yet here I am crying because of his death.
I've seen a lot of videos where people criticize the game, often time for very valid reasons. That having been said, I'm glad you enjoyed the game and I wasn't the only one haha. I really liked your take on it.
Coming back to this video and re-watching your presentation of Scissors has been a great pick-me-up for me these days. Can't get enough of it.
That montage before the title is a trailer that's 1000x better than all the official ones combined! Great Video! I was also super pleasantly surprised by Origami King, one of the times I was super happy to be wrong. Also I can't believe i have to answer "The Tape" when someone asks me who my favourite character is, just goes to show this game's charm.
Once you play this game, it’s impossible to go back to Sticker Star and Color Splash
I didn't have much issue with recent games in the franchise except sticker star, I actually liked experimenting with other ways to play than just *another* RPG on my already overflowing library of RPGs... In fact, looking back, TTYD wasn't that great, especially after playing all of the Mario & Luigi games (ESPECIALLY Dream Team despite the awful tutorials), Paper Mario 64 is perhaps the one I still like the most of the two classics, mostly for the level design. Super is my #20 favorite game and my ABSOLUTE favorite of the saga, especially thanks to the story! Color Splash is my #65, I had a lot of fun and laughter with that one, although I agree in the too many toads argument (but he's still my main driver in Mario Kart). The Origami King is quickly climbing on ranks, already sitting in #25, thanks to the absolutely hilarious dialogue, Mafia Tape and Psycho Scissors!
I am so mad my mom got me this crap game when she could have just got me vbucks 4 fortnite
Thank you so much for making this video, you put into words my exact feelings better than I could've done it myself. When I was done with it I just couldn't believe they managed to make me feel just like TTYD did all those years ago. I hope more people that grew up with the originals give it a chance because this game certainly has the soul of those games in it.
Definitely the biggest surprise Nintendo has given me in a while, I could never have expected to feel that Nintendo magic in a Paper Mario game again after Sticker Star, Color Splash and Paper Jam. Especially one that was just announced randomly 2 months before release.
Origami king has my favourite soundtrack of all time.
I think it's one of the games greatest strengths.
6:58
Some rando troll: HAHAHAHAHAHA, you actually think Sticker Star 3 is good?! blissful ignorance! XDDDDD you only THINK it rules.
You think you can point me in the direction of the person, let me at em
@@infinityheart_tm9270 his name is @googamp32 on twitter.
@@kkirby999 On it
About the art style:
It's not the game LOOKING 100% like paper that's bugging people.
That part is great.
The problem is that it's not just a style anymore, but an identity. The characters are literally made of paper instead of just looking like they're made of paper, they talk about how they are made of paper, they can't stop joking about how everything is made of paper. The Paper is canon to the world, not just the art style.
So since none of these characters take their own existence seriously anymore, it's impossible to take any of the attempts at drama seriously either.
I know it may be silly to complain about "immersion" in a Mario game, but the old games created a world that was genuinely believable. You could believe that every single NPC had their own life, their place in the world, their friends and family, and their stories to tell, even if you couldn't hear those stories. So you could believe that the world didn't just stop existing after the game was over.
There's a reason why the Paper abilities in the second game where called "curses".
Because the paper thing was a joke between Nintendo and the Player. To the characters, everything was real.
But now the art style is inseperable from the game, and the paper thing is a joke between the characters and the player, not nintendo and the player.
A couple of fourth wall breaking jokes are fine, but at a certain point it just becomes a farce.
This wouldn't be so bad if this was its own series, but no, these games have replaced the old ones. Retconned them, their worlds and their characters out of existence.
It's not that the old games were just retired, their legacy is being painted over. At least that's what it feels like.
That's what makes fans like me so bitter. It doesn't feel like the new Paper Marios respect their legacy. It feels like they just want us to forget about it.
Because Nintendo probably wants us to forget about it, judging by Tanabe's comments about his orders to keep the series within some very strict limits.
Whoever made the decision not to give Toads age, gender or body types and all that probably doesn't like that the old games even exist. Who knows if Nintendo will ever remake those games.
It's all just so sad when you have so much love for a series, but Nintendo clearly thinks other things are more important. Whether it's brand recognition or copyright issues.
Could not have said it better myself, I hate those paper jokes
I... I think you absolutely nailed it. I've had this kinda thing bother me for a long while now and I think that part about the old games being retconned... that couldn't be more true.
This is literally the perfect comment. It's exactly how I feel about the games now.
These games look like they could be fun if they had their own identity, but the fact its replacing what I loved hurts.
@Kameron Goree I already said, it's NOT the art style that is the problem. It's the in-universe identity of the characters and their world.
I miss the worldbuilding, the believable characters living believable lives in a believable world. In the old games the paper gimmick did not get in the way of those things.
In the new games, when Paper Mario literally gets cut to shreds, I can't take it seriously because it's a joke. "Haha, get it? He got cut up like paper because he IS paper! Haha."
Because the entire game is a joke.
If the game never takes itself seriously, how am I supposed to take IT seriously?
Even the Bobby scene, (you know, THE Bobby scene?) I couldn't take it seriously because the game not only REFUSES to give him his own identity, but it even makes fun of the people who want him to have a unique identity.
I wouldn't even be mad if this was its own series, but it's the fact that this REPLACES the old style that's so painful. And we'll probably never see it again.
Mario & Luigi is dead now too, and if Tanabe's statements are anything to go by, then even if it ever got revived, it'll just be bland and generic as well.
Of course there are other RPGs out there. But that doesn't change that we lost 2 great RPG series.
Keep it up man! Your channel to Me is like an official show you'd find on netflix or hulu. Always ready to tune in. Great video!!
As much as I agree with everything else you say here, I have to correct one little thing:
Despite having a level based system, Color Splash actually had backtracking just like Origami King had. Places change after you "solved the mystery" or "finished" the level and you even have to go back to earlier levels after you free certain characters to progress in them.
Aside from that small detail, this was a great video :)
Edit: Btw. I absolutely loved Color Splash and for me personally, it's almost on equal footing with Origami King, so I can definitely recommend checking it out.
Me waiting for him to talk about the music:
I haven't played the game but the story is what I like especially the ending so spoilers ahead.
Even after olly caused so much chaos, damage, and pain because of the love of his sister he did one final good deed that I don't know if it redeemed him but it was something good.
He sacrificed himself so that everything for the most part could be brought back to normal.
With all the things going on with people being called out on bad behavior this ending resonates with me.
Someone who has been led astray and has motives that were misplaced and didn't honor the person he was trying too.
But in the end because of his sister Olivia and his love for her he changed in his last moments to try and fix the mess he made.
While I personally don't think this automatically makes him redeemed its an overall beautiful scene.
For me before February I was different.
I got into arguments and couldn't even say how much I cared for my aunty and was upset over small things then she had left then passed away shortly.
That was last year and even all the way up until January I was finally set straight and have been trying to fight the wrongs of my past and be a better person.
I'm a flawed human and all I really want to do is make people laugh.
Olly changed because he loves his sister and wanted to fix the mistakes he made.
It adds another layer to a character who could have been mistaken for a one note villian.
The concept of origami itself in a paper Mario game was quite an interesting and fun one and I think the game is personally beautiful.
That's just my opinion anyway.
For me things like this are relatable and never fails to get a tear out of me.
Maybe I'm looking too into it but I liked it.
Holy shit you made a reply that wasn’t a joke
@@ultimatewinfestation7194 I do that so the time.
You just don't know where to find it.
@DevilKaz there's nothing wrong with him liking this game over odyssey. Just because he has a different opinion doesn't mean its bad.
@DevilKaz people have different opinions and interests, doesn't mean they are right or wrong. Just learn to respect people's opinions before saying they're wrong.
@DevilKaz yeah. Learn to respect opinions. No one falls under your rule you know.
I completely agree with the paper aesthetic.
I feel people only hate that Sticker Star and Color Splash didn't have a story that the Paper theme took over.
The Origami King showed that you can have an actual proper story and world filled with characters while still having the Paper focus.
What a beautiful video man! I started to tear up when you started talking about bobby and the message of the game. Even though they can only use generic toads, and won't do an rpg battle system you can feel the love that was put into this game.
Honestly, if the writing of Super Paper Mario was even an iota worse than what we got, fans would've burned it alive. SPM had several utter duds of chapters, especially the space world, and if you go back to it now it's just such a slog to go through once you know the story
Oh, big time. The majority of SPM’s gameplay and level design are *really* lousy, it’s held together by its story
I think what people truly loved about SPM was its ending.
The story itself wasn't executed very well.
I think super’s gameplay left a lot to be desired considering Mario is known for platformers, although there were some decent chapters. Loved everything else tho
@@wermutton2125 Nah, I think the story itself is fine, with the memory bits being quite good, but the gameplay is just a slog which kills its replayability unfortunately.
Honestly, Paper Mario The Thousand Year Door was a kind of a slog on repeat playthroughs also. I can excuse Chapter 4 backtracking but Chapter 7 literally having going on a fetchquest across the entire map for one npc. Chapter 3 is an enemy rush which is fun the first time, boring every other time, and chapter 6 while great on the first playthrough, really lost it's luster on the next. I say I rather play the og Paper Mario than Thousand Year Door which has barely any fluff and has better design dungeons overrall in my eyes.
I can't bring myself to accept what Paper Mario is now, not because these games can't still be good in their own right as Origami King shows, but because the mandates imposed upon the series are too stupid and I don't want to support that nonsense
I mean it's a really good game! I myself never played TTYD myself but Oragami King was awesome! Really, the dialogue is fun and witty and I never minded the toads in this game. I think the mario characters are already unique in their own right.
This video sold me on the game. Now all I need is a Switch. I've only recently discovered your videos and I gotta say your commentary is perfect. Mixture of Nerrel and Matthewmatosis. And you also sound like L's english voice actor in Death Note.
Dude another awsome video. Your videos bring me so much entertainment, and such a high quality of entertainment. Really gets me hyped when ever a new.videos on my home page.
Its hard to bring it to words. Hope you get the picture
To Answer your questions regarding Paper Jam they felt including Original characters would make the game overstuffed given the amount of doubles. I feel they should've dropped the doubles concept outside of the bros, bowser, bowser jr, and maybe peach
This is why it always bothers me when people talk about the "squandered" potential of the crossover when in reality including all of these original characters from both series would've lead to character bloat and most likely an overall messy story. They couldn't even find a way to incorporate the paper world as it proved to overcomplicate things. I personally think it was a good idea to focus on the main cast, as it keeps the story simple but focused.
J05 honestly what bothers me the most is they make a big deal about the koopalings feeling out of place due to lacking doubles.... only for Color Splash to release 9 months later and make Paper versions of the Koopalings
The problem with the "generic Toads" is copyright. The legal eagles at Nintendo don't want to deal with watching the copyrights for a ton of different design and name variations of "Toads" and "Koopas".
@@polocatfan yeah literally
Thanks for making these videos dude. I love your content and get a lot from watching these videos.
This was a wonderfully well-written commentary. Thank you for that!