When you get side to side wigglys ,detrottle and hit one steering clutch breifly to get segments back in time with each other!i know with 40 years expereince running dozers including the old hd41 s
Hi, the reason it's lurching is the lower carrier rollers are worn out and it's riding up on its idlers, you get the lurching when the grouser plates are in a different position on the left and right track as it rolls off the front idler and into the dirt onto to the worn rollers.
A private individual bought, refurbished, and donated one of these to our tractor club in South Carolina. What a sight up close and personal. Undercarriage is weak, yes. Can't keep 3rd gear in an a/c 185 either. The smaller crawlers are to add weight and demonstrate the power of the hd41. Weight puts hp to the ground, but at 67 tons, I don't see the reason for any extra weight. Absolutely awesome though!
Why add the extra weight on an old machine,not only does it look stupid it keeps people from checking out the little tractors close up.It might be an ego thing."Hey look at all of my toys". Must not be any overpasses on the route home. It looks really tall. Think of how tall it is on a lowbed.
If you can't keep 3rd gear in any Allis tractor, you NEED to read the manual on how to shift it.You ONLY shift transmission gears when the back wheels are STOPPED.
it was a heavy dozer for sure in it day ,, i belive the undercarriage wasent able for the size of the machine uniformaty ,,, big powered engine but when it came to final drives etc etc the stuff wasent able to withstand the punishment on the ground
a fine old dozer from a different era she worked well with the likes of the old d9s but time has moved on ,, she was a fine dozer and indeed still is theres too much stuff on her to be stable her center of gravity is gone way up and the 41 is not stable on account of the little dozers stacked up so high and this is why she is shyimming and wagging around so much,, what has she got is it a cummins engine , just woundering all the best and its a good video of a great old dozer with a light undercarrige
John Noonan the ones around home were 1710 v12 Cummins. They really sounded nice under load, and enough power to take out the finals. Caterpillar usually designed their dozers to be a little lame so the components would wear out, the competition usually pushed theirs to the limit and beyond so it seemed like they were doing more than a CAT, but the down time defeated the purpose . The old rule of thumb on locomotives and dozers is 10 horsepower per ton, if it's under it just won't push well, if it's over it spins the tracks and tears up the machine
It wobbles because the lower carrier rollers are worn out and it's riding up on its idlers. When the grouser plates are new and out of phase left to right track it will lurch as it comes off the idler and into the dirt up into the worn rollers.
@@barrygreenstein2816 I sort of doubt that, usually the buzzin dozen referred to 12-71 Detroit's that were used in trucks and Euclid equipment, I don't believe Allis Chalmers used any 12 v 71s in their machines, but they used many many others, 3-71,4-71,6-71 8v-71, and 6-110s. They may have used some 53s, but I do not know of them. The 1710 v-12 was actually a dirivetive of two 855s and shared the PT fuel system, too heavy for on-road without dual steering axles. Hope the response didn't put you to sleep 💤
@@barrygreenstein2816 hello there Barry it was the 12 V71 they called the Bussun dozen hence the 12 cylinder Detroit diesel that was on board a KW or Pete great engines at high revs its a great sound for sure the Bussing Dozen ,, greetings from ireland
Some one said they had to much power for thier finals ,i disagree having put a lot of time on one,they had finals that were to weak period because they had no where near the pushing power of the d10 s amerikold mining used to keep a daily record of how much cubic yds a dozer pushed while stripping a d10 n had to get 4500 yds in ten hrs a 41 im sure would not ,to slow a d11r had to get 6500 yds this was easy to do if you didnt piss around if you ran it steady and backed up in secound gear 7000 plus was.doable more if material was fine!
Those old hd41 s were total junk.,but having said that if you had a careful.operator they would move a lot of dirt,but get careless and out went a final drive,when caterpillar came out with the d10 ,and later the much better d11 it was no contest the cats were way way.better!
your out of your god damned mind . komatsu and cat never came close . the hd 41 was considered the best in the world. the only machine the Russians even considered for building their pipeline in 40 below weather .
for one thing It could be 2 things #1 The tracks could kinda be new and #2 he was dragging around and also not loading the blade!! If he would get with it, It would be different!!!
No your wrong, he's right the lower rollers are worn and it's riding up on the idlers as the grouser plate goes round and then in the dirt up into the worn roller, when the plates are not in phase left to right frame they lurch from side to side.
+COMMANDER of the NORTH I cut my teeth on an HD 11, I loved that old gal, but she could push more than her ankles could handle. Not a problem unless you tried to do it to her every day. Lol.
Great to see history pilled up an in working order on full display great show case of times an mechions gone by.
When you get side to side wigglys ,detrottle and hit one steering clutch breifly to get segments back in time with each other!i know with 40 years expereince running dozers including the old hd41 s
Hi, the reason it's lurching is the lower carrier rollers are worn out and it's riding up on its idlers, you get the lurching when the grouser plates are in a different position on the left and right track as it rolls off the front idler and into the dirt onto to the worn rollers.
Exactly, who would stack that shit on top, then ride like that? What a moron
Help to get rid of all that shit sitting on the canopy
What about those little dozers on top? So unbelievably ridiculous.
Good to see older equipment being used
Before D10's we had this beast
A private individual bought, refurbished, and donated one of these to our tractor club in South Carolina. What a sight up close and personal. Undercarriage is weak, yes. Can't keep 3rd gear in an a/c 185 either. The smaller crawlers are to add weight and demonstrate the power of the hd41. Weight puts hp to the ground, but at 67 tons, I don't see the reason for any extra weight. Absolutely awesome though!
Jimmy (
Don't grind the gears on her tractor.
Why add the extra weight on an old machine,not only does it look stupid it keeps people from checking out the little tractors close up.It might be an ego thing."Hey look at all of my toys". Must not be any overpasses on the route home. It looks really tall. Think of how tall it is on a lowbed.
If you can't keep 3rd gear in any Allis tractor, you NEED to read the manual on how to shift it.You ONLY shift transmission gears when the back wheels are STOPPED.
it was a heavy dozer for sure in it day ,, i belive the undercarriage wasent able for the size of the machine uniformaty ,,, big powered engine but when it came to final drives etc etc the stuff wasent able to withstand the punishment on the ground
she's beeuteefull and in her day was a beast!
Still a beast
what's with all the other tractors mounted on top? sorta distracts from it's old glory
it wobbles like a jelly but is still inpressive
What are you doing with 2 days is on the top
Beast !
That scraper sure looks like the one from Matchbox which I owned as a child in the mid sixties. Even the colour is right.^^
Anton Chigurh heads or tails ?
The dozers on top show size comparisons
They had one of these at the mine I used to work at. They called it Fat Alice (for Fiat Allis). Shop queen.
you certainly better not abuse allis chalmers!poor gears were their hallmark!
+Lee Watkins That's absolute bull shit
The HD 21 that Curci brothers of Hallandale Florida had in the mid 60s were what kept the mechanics a job!!!
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fiat allice was after fiat took over Allice Chalmers , That is an American made Alice Chalmers , To totally different machines
a fine old dozer from a different era she worked well with the likes of the old d9s but time has moved on ,, she was a fine dozer and indeed still is theres too much stuff on her to be stable her center of gravity is gone way up and the 41 is not stable on account of the little dozers stacked up so high and this is why she is shyimming and wagging around so much,, what has she got is it a cummins engine , just woundering all the best and its a good video of a great old dozer with a light undercarrige
John Noonan the ones around home were 1710 v12 Cummins. They really sounded nice under load, and enough power to take out the finals. Caterpillar usually designed their dozers to be a little lame so the components would wear out, the competition usually pushed theirs to the limit and beyond so it seemed like they were doing more than a CAT, but the down time defeated the purpose . The old rule of thumb on locomotives and dozers is 10 horsepower per ton, if it's under it just won't push well, if it's over it spins the tracks and tears up the machine
It wobbles because the lower carrier rollers are worn out and it's riding up on its idlers. When the grouser plates are new and out of phase left to right track it will lurch as it comes off the idler and into the dirt up into the worn rollers.
@@Colt-tf6xf was that Cummins what they called “a dozen buzzin “ same motor they had in the Hays and Pacific off road logging trucks?
@@barrygreenstein2816 I sort of doubt that, usually the buzzin dozen referred to 12-71 Detroit's that were used in trucks and Euclid equipment, I don't believe Allis Chalmers used any 12 v 71s in their machines, but they used many many others, 3-71,4-71,6-71 8v-71, and 6-110s. They may have used some 53s, but I do not know of them. The 1710 v-12 was actually a dirivetive of two 855s and shared the PT fuel system, too heavy for on-road without dual steering axles. Hope the response didn't put you to sleep 💤
@@barrygreenstein2816 hello there Barry it was the 12 V71 they called the Bussun dozen hence the 12 cylinder Detroit diesel that was on board a KW or Pete great engines at high revs its a great sound for sure the Bussing Dozen ,, greetings from ireland
Taking all his toys and going home.
Halloween??
Some one said they had to much power for thier finals ,i disagree having put a lot of time on one,they had finals that were to weak period because they had no where near the pushing power of the d10 s amerikold mining used to keep a daily record of how much cubic yds a dozer pushed while stripping a d10 n had to get 4500 yds in ten hrs a 41 im sure would not ,to slow a d11r had to get 6500 yds this was easy to do if you didnt piss around if you ran it steady and backed up in secound gear 7000 plus was.doable more if material was fine!
You never drove a 41
Caterpillar had heads made of fine grain grey iron held together by tiny cracks and massive amounts of cash.
That big Allis looked like a rough riding dozer
Robert Harris
Got a bit of a speed wobble going on there driver
my dad and uncle built that monster.
First bulldozer to break the 500hp barrier
+generationll V12 CUMMINS 1710 ,ABOUT 750 HP .
Also, interestingly enough, it was the first Dozer to break, immediately after breaking the barrier.
dozer1642 BUT DID YOU SEE WHAT THEY DID TO THE 31? THEY DROPPED THIS AND MADE A 31 WITH THIS FINALS AND TRANS , AND OUT A 1150 CUMMINS 6 BANGER IN IT
+dozer1642 You have no idea what your talking about
dozer1642 they didnt make the finals tough enough , think they had trans issues also , i have a 21 B week finals there too ,what a dirt mover !
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Those old hd41 s were total junk.,but having said that if you had a careful.operator they would move a lot of dirt,but get careless and out went a final drive,when caterpillar came out with the d10 ,and later the much better d11 it was no contest the cats were way way.better!
your out of your god damned mind . komatsu and cat never came close . the hd 41 was considered the best in the world. the only machine the Russians even considered for building their pipeline in 40 below weather .
No need to say "having said that".
Undercarriage must be worn out making it do the shimmy and shake. Impressive machine, though.
for one thing It could be 2 things #1 The tracks could kinda be new and #2 he was dragging around and also not loading the blade!! If he would get with it, It would be different!!!
trackhoe23 good point are old jd 450 crowler shook and shimmied and thats y we dont have that tractor any more under carage was shot
No your wrong, he's right the lower rollers are worn and it's riding up on the idlers as the grouser plate goes round and then in the dirt up into the worn roller, when the plates are not in phase left to right frame they lurch from side to side.
AC, know for having more horsepower than the finals can handle. Lol
+dozer1642 YES THEY DO ,AND A VERY WEAK BEARING ARANGEMENT IS WHY , JUST DID MY HD 21 .
+COMMANDER of the NORTH I cut my teeth on an HD 11, I loved that old gal, but she could push more than her ankles could handle. Not a problem unless you tried to do it to her every day. Lol.
I ran an HD21 and I liked it better than the 15A d8 Caterpillar but It just was in the shop too much!! I ran it on Marco Island in bout 1965!
Caterpillar just let the excess horsepower vent off through all the cracks in the head.
Loks llike worn undercarrige
WTF??!! Why are there other crawlers on this one ???????!!!!!!!!!! This is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen 👎👎👎
Dumb, really dumb!