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- Another big crash for Williams saw Logan Sargeant crash out of FP1 in his recently repaired chassis. What does James Vowles do next?
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If I had a nickel for every time Logan Sargeant crashed into the wall at Suzuka by keeping the throttle pinned in the grass I would only have 2 nickels, which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice
Imagine having worked on this car just days before, day and night to get it going again for Suzuka, and then seeing Logan crash it in practice. 😂
Good ol’ Logie Barge…
Uh, you would have more of a point if Logan is the one who originally crashed it. It really not like you make it considering he only crashed it once
Imagine having worked on the car all of the Australian Grand Prix to see Albon getting bullied back into 11th by Kevin Magnussen.
@@robb5270 I wasn't trying to bash Logan, I know that last race weekend it was Albons fault. Just saying that Williams mechanics can't catch a break. 😅
At this point they got to tell Logan to just keep it below 250 kph, and just bring it home in a single piece. Whether it's 250 or 330 kph, he gonna end up 21st driver anyway. Better keep the car safe and save some face
Matt's biggest flop powers are way too strong
Cheers to the worst f1 channel in history, tom and who knows who.
@@batialexis9339Then... What are you doing in the comments of their video?
@@batialexis9339what an odd thing to say
@@batialexis9339and you’re here commenting why???
@@batialexis9339"spicy"
The most worrying thing is Vowles said Logan crashed cuz "he didn't know where he was on track". How can you expect a longer career in F1 if you as a driver don't know the track inside and out? This screams Latifi in 2022 Japan practice, and you never want to be compared to Latifi.
With respect to your comment… Perhaps he IS getting to know the track inside AND out… 😂🫠
@@robertoarmstrong7317 I know this is in jest, but crashing is a horrible way of learning it lol. Should've known it by now since last year, plus all the simulator running.
He didn't grow up playing Ferrari F355 challenge on the Dreamcast then.. shame.
@@robertoarmstrong7317 dude, it's Suzuka. Everyone can drive there with their eyes closed and following the commands of a rally co-driver. It's a well known classic track.
Sargeant is not F1 material, Williams should go for the next prospect.
the prediction was on point lmao.
My understanding is that it would have been much more inefficient to "give back" the original chassis to Logan because they have already re-set it up to fit Albon. If they wanted to give it back to Logan, they would have had to dissassemble the car, which makes really not much sense. Maybe I have been misinformed but if this is true then people are making too much of a fuss about this.
yes thats the only reason why and not that Williams want to screw Sargeant. They are definitely making too mutch of this but this here is not a channel about facts
@@domed9690do they even need to "screw" logan sargeant when he is doing a hell of a job of it anyway?
That’s the answer that Williams gave. But the also said that the repair added weight (slower car) and that because of the added weight, the car is unbalanced, and it would take time to re-find the balance. I think that had a bigger factor than “oh we would have to re do the cars.” They had no problem doing it in the middle of a race weekend.
I love that there's (almost) no runoff. No track limit penalties (other than crashing in to the wall :) )
Compared to what happened with Nyck at redbull 2.0 I think Williams have been very kind to Logan
especially now that Danny Ric is not setting the world alight as well next to Yuki, perhaps Nyck wasn't that bad and Yuki was just outstanding.
_And they’ve paid for that._
Or Yuki is mid and the others are washed.@@frankhuurman3955
@@frankhuurman3955 Not really, in 2023 we saw Lawson during the Dutch grand prix do better then Tsunoda. I think it's more of the opposite because Daniel and Nyck weren't/aren't doing that great Tsunoda looked good
@@ChiIIi... Lawson didn't do better than Yuki at Zandvoort. Yuki got a terrible strategy and a penalty which combined with the red flag put him behind Lawson at the end.
I'm just curious how Logan gonna do for the rest of the season, cuz this is a gut punch
The rest of the season for Lawson might only be a few races.
@@weaslepopper That has more to do with Danny Ric, I don't think Williams would take Lawson. Red Bull has 4 seats available, if Lawson is sidelined it's on them.
It was his big chance to prove everyone wrong. To use this situation to push himself and finally perform better and he threw it away the first chance he got.
@@soundscape26 Sorry,I meant Sergeant.
I honestly feel bad for the dude, if the world tells you you’re shit even before your first season and continues to tell you you’re shit, you’re gonna start to believe it yourself. He was pulled up to F1 too early, instantly made a meme driver in large part because he’s American and turned into the punching bag of the paddock.
While he didn’t have a crazy good CV, he won the FIA World Karting Championship, was a rookie along side Piastri when they had close title fight for the F3 championship, and finished 4th in his rookie F2 season beating all other rookies. I think if he came into F1 and wasn’t paid much attention too (kinda like zhou was in his rookies season) I feel like he would be in a much better place, both in his race craft and his mentality.
Goatifi wasn't so bad after all. Very interesting
Well, he kinda was though
Yeah he was
He wasn’t good enough for F1
He was a 21’ championship decider
He was The Baddest… aka… The Goat
Apparently you **do** need to know what the f… a kilometer is.
Literally 90% of the world does but Murica will try and use anything but the metric system, just to be different
😂😂😂😂 can’t help but hear that phrase
@@GryphLane they even learned it at school. Shows how well their educational system works.
@@GryphLane to be fair, half of the UK doesn't know what a kilometre is.
That was a joke lad @@GryphLane
I like the Kimi Antonelli at Williams idea. If he really is “the next Max”, he should be able to show his mettle right away, and should have at least a chance of scoring a point or two.
I hope Williams are getting a hefty sponsorship package for having kept Logan on the team, jeez.
Duracell absolutely LOVE Logan on social media. That's the only reason I can imagine that he's there. They're an American company, based in Connecticut.
I think Vowles is simply a pure data pragmatist, if it seems wasteful to use the mechanics time to swap chassis back, then you don't do it. I work in inspection in engineering and repairs have to be absolutely up to spec or superior of the previous (funnily enough almost applied for that job role at williams and aston martin). I said last year that they should have took Lawson for just one year even (everyone said why would they), but just for the higher chance of points and fewer crashes, as one place is worth way more (~$12million) than the wage you pay to a better driver who can secure that better WCC standing
Yeah I always thought a repaired F1 car is good as new. About Vowel's data pragmatism, he said he only used this year's data, not 2023's, when he decided that Albon would race in Australia instead of Sargent
@@timoooo7320 Just to clarify, when I say the the repairs have to be as good as original, I mean they ensure the safety of the part is at least as good as original. What I don't accept is a suggestion from some that the repaired chassis given to Logan would somehow put him at higher risk, or that it's been 'patched up' in a crude way as if its duct taped together. I accept that the balance of the car would have to be adjusted and found again based on the weight distro, but the cause of his crash today was the contact with the grass beyond the track limit which I would attribute to him rather than the car, and he may very well himself too.
It will a miracle if Logan makes it to the Summer Break. Not only did he crash (again), but he binned off the upgrades (including a new front wing) that had just been installed. They are having to revert to the old spec to get him through the rest of the Japanese Grand Prix.
6:57 Kimi Antonelli is still only 17. He turns 18 in august
Right before Monza, yeah?
@@Warhaawk yeah he turns 18 on the dutch gp race day
Which would be in time for a mid season driver swap
He's rly not doing that well in F2
@@illbeV.he’s schooling bearman in the same car ‘really not doing well’ when people like you hype up bearman who’s doing even worse 😂
Logan is a case example why RB ruthless policy to de vries was necessary - if there clearly not good enough giving someone else an opportunity is crucial in the time that sticking with the same driver would just be disappointing every week
De Vries was better than Sargeant come on now
But drivers at Vcarb are somewhat expendable, booting drivers halfway through the season was always a rare occurrence in teams with only 2 seats.
@@nickmildon6348shit is shit
Then again, Yuki has become a solid driver since keeping his seat despite an awful rookie season and an underwhelming second season.
@@thomasvrielink299I think that’s totally different because Yuki showed us his talent in his first race. He put in a great result instantly, *Devries put in a great result never.*
If Williams had signed Lawson, Lawson would have been on the sidelines in Australia instead of Albon. Williams picking Albon over Sargeant doesn't mean Sargeant's done, it just meant they trust Albon more. And that would have been the case with Lawson aswell.
Although I do agree the Sargeant is out for next season. But this isn't a indicator of that...
Nah, the problem for Albon is everyone's starting to think "wait, is he still crap; we can't tell because his team-mate is awful".
If albon and lawson were close they wouldn't swap them. They shouldn't trust albon more not to crash the car that should be an expectation. Sargent doesn't belong in F1, simple as that. He doesn't have it and there's nothing he can do that will change that
Logan is now entering his Mick Schumacher phase 😂
Sergaint said in one interview before the year started, that the gap between F1 and F2 cars is too big. Probably it was for him. Than Bearman jumped from a F2 car to an F1 car on the same day, and did brilliantly. That probably hurt for Seargant. Than, the car swap in Australia made it even worst. I wouldn't be surprised if he was questioning himself, and his confidence is at the bottom of the deapest mine.
Something tells me a Ferrari might be a bit easier to drive than a Williams.
Buddy, he caused the most crash damage last year out of everyone. He’s just keeping up his standard of last year. For me it was clear he wasn’t good enough for F1 when he totaled the car twice in the Dutch GP weekend.
@@durodesduvo8424 Heading for a second straight World Destructors Championship.
Bearman's hype is going to die if he keeps looking crap in F2 though.
I don't understand why everyone assumes he's getting an F1 drive next year. He's chipping off bits of the credit he built up with every F2 weekend.
*Then.
isn't williams owned by an US company? for me it looks more like vowles did not had the final say in resigning. at least his actions don't really speak as if it was his decision
The car design has something to do with them red flagging whenever it rains. The ground effect sucks the water off the tarmac and turns it in to a cloud for the next guy to drive in to. It's more dangerous in this era than before.
That Duracel bit on Logan's car looks alright though, design wise..
I mean seriously, how long can Logan stay on the grid? Both figuratively and literally. There are plenty of other more skilled drivers who could take his place.
IMHO, Sargent is in over his head. I don't why he has a seat.
I think we need to zoom out a little bit. Logan's mistakes this year have included ONLY this crash in FP1 in Japan. Why are we talking about swappjng him mid season when it's only been one mistake at the 4th race of the season? Not saying he's in a great position, but my gosh guys calm down
Their British. He’s American. Quite simple
@@nollienick1121both don't know wtf a kilometer is
Cant wait to see Logan in Indycar in a few years.
I'm not sure there would be much interest unless he brings $$$. Maybe a Coyne entry at best?
I agree 100% with their decision to fully support albon instead of logan. I didn't get why they chose to support Logan for another year, he might have a low* yearly salary, but all his crashes lol.
Mercedes did say in Australia that their car works better on colder tracks. Air temp in FP1 was 15c.
Why does everyone act like a crashed chassis having been repaired is still broken
Logan got the repaired chassis because it has been fixed, they're not making him sit on a broken seat?
literally and at the end of the day that would hurt the team
Probably because you can repair all you want, it will never be as strong as it used to be. They gave Logan a chassis that was compromised due to no fault of his own. It is like your brother dropping his iPhone and cracking the screen getting the new iPhone and you getting the one with the cracked screen. Sure... it works fine, but it isn't as good as the other one and you will need to be way more careful.
Carbon monocoques cannot be "repaired" to original spec, only patched. This will effect the strength/weight/rigidity, and while serviceable it will no longer be in the ideal design configuration.
It was WELDED together, which added 100 gr to the car weight and it obviously is not going to feel the same way as his own original one.
What? They gave to Logan Albon's trashed/repaired chassis, not Logan's! They had to give this repaired junk to Albon.
Williams in 2024 is a single car / driver team and Logan is their back up driver. I watched the interview with Albon about his mental health after RB and he mentioned that there is no help from the teams when you're a young driver. That's coming from him talking about the top team just imagine how bad it has to be at Williams.
It's Formula 1. If you're that mentally weak, you shouldn't be there. Look how strong the top drivers are mentally. They are almost sociopathic in their self-belief. That's what you need to be.
The impression this crash gives is that he didn’t know what corner would come next. It’s so strange
We used to have multiple DNF's per Race bc of bad reliability 20y. ago.
These parts shortages are somewhat replacing the reliability problems from past decades.
what a prediction lol
Williams can’t properly attend a season but Andretti is not allowed in. Williams is done.
Vowles: "Here is your chance, prove me wrong!"
Sargeant: "No, supreme leader, I will prove you right in all your decisions!"
You mentioned Antonelli potentially getting the seat now but that couldn’t happen as firstly he probably would have enough super licence points, but secondly the rules say you have to be 18 and he isn’t 18 until august
If we can’t get the full length episodes on CZcams, is it possible to use the new video feature on Spotify to put the whole thing up please? 😊
If you guys can't understand that when James says it about the team in this period, you are quite daft tbf. Team means team above all until they get competitive or have 2 equal drivers.
We don’t watch because their knowledgeable lol
Love Tommy rocking the Samurai Blue Football Jersey!!
Ok and once again I am ridiculously stoked to wake up at 11:45pm 23:45h to grab my prepared plate of sushi (currently doing country specific race snacks) to watch this race while my husband and kids sleep and I can enjoy watch the race!
Country specific race snacks sounds great!
@@xiniks yes! This weekend is sushi obviously I haven’t decided yet what to do for China next but I love to cook and that’s a really great way to try different things
Thanks for posting
Tommy's lil 'Bye' at the end 😇🥰
I love the framed Verstappen onesie behind Tommy. Nice touch.
Watching at work
Logan looked like a Gran Turismo player holding the gas petal all the way down and just hoping he holds on to it.
It was the same exact kind of mistake he did last year in Suzuka
That was going to be on of my prediction logie crash
Saw the crash and chuckled a little...i know exactly what he did as ive done that on the f1 game.
That kit, Tommy! ❤
Love Tommy’s jersey 👏🏽
3:12 yes. Yes they are, the fact that he's been back on the grid at all since last year shows that Williams is at some commitment with him as any other team would say "Alex, you're kind here we bend to you and your wishes.. Logan, bye and whomever joins will be 10th in command after albon for our priorities"
I feel for Logan. I hope Williams know what they're doing, and Logan improves.
* extra points to Tommy for the excellent Japan NT football jersey!
You called it 💯💥
It felt like watching a very long impression of the track.
the fact logan still has his seat is a miracle tbh
I feel for Logan. However, this latest mistake is hard to swallow and makes it all the more difficult to justify his seat in F1.
I feel a lot less for him knowing his whole family are Trump fans who think America makes rich people pay too much tax (which it categorically doesn't; they should be paying way way way more).
His family treats and looks at everyone else the way F1 journalists and his team treat and look at him.
Logan had to keep his foot in it. Otherwise he definitely for sure would have lost the rear end. He was taking a chance that he wasn’t that far wide and on the grass not even taking a chance it’s already too late to make up for that mistake he had to just try and keep this foot in it, the weight balanced like I said if Lifted spun it probably would’ve been worse cause he would’ve spun earlier.
Matt be like “yeah, I flopped him, so what”
Matt: This is probably going to be Logan's last season.
Me: This is probably going to be his last race.
Just Anounced!!
Drugavich to Williams!
Matt’s flop jinx vibes simply just too strong, lol
Toto in the background screaming to hold on to Sargent until Antonelli is ready.
W!! Tommy's Japan soccer kit!
That was some Will Buxton shit at the end there from Tommy 😂
Completely agree with both of you on Logan. If Williams is going to behave in a manner that shows they have no confidence in his abilities (as justified as that may be - kills me to say that as an American, but I have eyes), seems like the kinder thing would have been to just fire him and be done with it.
Yeah same. I love having an American on the grid. But he just isn’t at the speed for f1.
Williams was making sense but to basically have the tp say he just sucks in a interview. I’d start causing more damage for them.
Actions speak louder than words. What Williams are doing here confirms it.
Logan was like if I can't race my car then nobody can.
for the fp2 problem, someone said this a while ago, have a few "f1 show cars" waiting in the wings and let the reserve drivers go turn laps to dry the track. maybe throw some cool v8 or v10 engines in the back so we get all the cool noises, add sebastian vettel race with out trace fuel on board. give everyone a show while we get back to racing faster. then give the internet an opportunity to say "wow look at how good the f1 show cars are f1 should be like that" think of all the content 😂
No Mercedes updates listed on car presentation submission document
Seems they made the right decision 😊
“The only thing we can predict is the unpredictable “ - Tommy doing his best Murray Walker
Logan: I guess Williams saw his potential (and his funding which might have had a clause in to this year!) and gave him another chance... Personally I would say 'treating' him this way does take the pressure off as Logan really has nothing to do but show he can drive!
The question that remains is what does the team do now? "You're going to replaced at the end of the year unless you change our minds" or "One more cock-up and you're out." Bandwagon: Parachute Seb in for the lols and Mec will get to see if he's still got it for next year!
Williams has already reached the cost cap
I’m pretty sure last year Sargent did the same thing by putting a tire in the grass at the last corner
Logan Sargeant crash... how ironic. Almost more ironic than Stroll at Jeddah.
Something I thought about when Williams resigned Sargeant last year, is they might feel a bit trapped by their reputation - given they often get loaners of young drivers or rookies from other teams, they didn't want the optics of Logan torching his career in one bad year at Williams. Though now, it's backfired, b/c what happens if their loaner rookie bins a car and there's no spares?
FP2 has singlehandedly converted me to a Sprint weekend supporter.
They would have had to go out for a Sprint shootout regardless of how unfortunate the conditions are. If the conditions had been like this in FP1 on a Sprint weekend, teams also would need to go out, because it is the only practice they get...
Well the fact that if someone spills a water bottle they can’t race it seems.
Kimi Antonelli isn't 18 until the end of August so couldn't go to Williams until then! Perhaps Drugovich could replace Sargent for the rest of the season, I feel like he's earned a shot!
Feels like they're just running Sargeant until Antonelli turns 18 right before Monza.
Then Mercedes get to see how he handles an F1 car before next season. Albeit they might have had to jump and give Sainz the 2025 drive before then.
They moved the Japanese GP to April to try and avoid the rain.
The main reason was to pair it with Australia and China, avoiding typhoon season is a bonus but you cannot guarantee it will never rain.
Still glad they did though. Japan's feels like it's had more rain ruined races than anywhere, including Spa.
Saved the mechs a ton of work not having to setup 2 cars, and when you think about it, it was a good call as they would now have 2 previously damaged chassis to potentially see out the season with.
LOL...Funny Tommy. It's all about the tires = Listen to the mighty Max-fan Matt...
I think Williams' plan for keeping Sargeant on this year, even though they're deflating his dwindling confidence, is because they'd rather do it to him than a new signed driver, given their financial situation and how few spare parts they can work with
Cool jersey Tommy 🇯🇵
Pirelle should use intermediate tires as test sessions
Regarding Williams, flip side of the coin is would any driver really want to race there, given they can barely keep 2 chassis on the tarmac and if you have an accident you’re gonna get thoroughly shafted
I always thought Matt was the interviewer for the "Beyond the Grid" podcast.
6:35 Antonelli cannot replace Sargent yet as he's not 18 until August, but he might very well be swapped in mid season
We all do what Logan did on f1 23
Not giving back the cars back to Logan actually was a good choice given the fact that logan crashed.
We would be surprised if Logan Sargeant isn't replaced before the mid-season brake.
Kimi Antonelli doesn't turn 18 until the end of August, so he won't even be allowed to race in F1 until then. I can't really see anyone swapping him in this year, not even Williams.
Logan had the upgraded parts from Williams (Albon didn't) ... so he crashed the upgrades.
I’m convinced Logan was kept on because Williams knew they couldn’t support 2 drivers and they can use Logan in advertising.
This chassis was specifically reinforced for Logan
Sargeants confidence is as prominent as Vowles chin right now
Logan really getting the sloppy seconds
Obviously super unlikely, but Albon/ Lawson lineup for the rest of the year would be so interesting. Loved their dynamic as teammates in dtm and honestly cant wait any longer to see what Liam's got. Also wanna see what Alex pulls out of the bag with a bit more added pressure. Wtching Williams as it is is like keeping one eye open while shielding the other, while a car crashes slowly.
F1 twt: "Poor logan! how disrespectful to be using the repaired chassis"
Logan bins it in FP1.
Williams: “We don’t have a spare chassis ready in time for this season.”
Also Williams: “We have been in F1 for decades.”
You’d think any F1 team would have a spare chassis ready for the damn season, but apparently that’s too much to expect for F1s bottom feeders. Tell me again why F1 is the pinnacle of racing sports when its bottom feeders are somehow worse than most Indy teams?
Williams has said the correct things, but their actions are making Logan's situation tougher than it already was. He was struggling, coming off a poor 2023 season, and was behind the 8-Ball since Bahrain. The team have done him no favors. His confidence has to be toasts and can you even blame him after the Melbourne disaster. No one can imagine what that must have been like for him, and it caused the exact affect many predicted.
I think this is probably the end of it. James will make a stern call this weekend. I would be surprised to see Logan in the next race!!