069 | Imam Malik: Was he a Quranist? | Abdul Karim
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Imam Malik was very strict about Hadiths he didn’t accept them if they were contradictory to the Quran and if they were irrational.
Irrational ? If there is authentic chain of narration till the prophet. No matter how irrational it is you have to accept. For example if prophet may peace and blessings be upon him says he saw someone getting punishment in the grave. Rationally their body is gone so how come they are receiving punishment. Its highly irrational specially those of us limited by our senses. Therefore I feel the use of word irrational is not appropriate here.
No he does not. He does not have to accept anything. NO COMPULSION in the Deen. 2:256 ~ The AG Team
@@paladinent1 I think Ibn Hazm said it best, if the Hadith is against عقل reject and don’t even look at the chain of narrators اسناد for authenticity.
@@richardanthony3267 If we apply this logic to quran then what will happen logic is very much dependent on a person's intellect. What about jinn we cannot prove their existence is it logical to believe in them or the angels?Is it logical to believe that something can come out of existence from. Nothing. Will we be judged for our sins or its just a metaphor ? implications are boundless. Secondly Allah says in the quran and I am paraphrasing that humans should not blindly become slaves to their wishes and desires. But we are bound to be subdued by them if we don't have a proper method of interpretation. What about punishment of the grave?
@@paladinent1 I agree with you and most of what you said, but I specifically mention in regards to hadith that contradict the rationale of the human mind in terms of implication of applying the religion in our lives, I am definitely not against Hadith. I am an avid Maliki , I believe our intellect must be used as a criterion based on those who came before us from amongst the earliest generations and as we see Imam Malik had a criterion that he applied to distinguish, and we all know that he had thousands of hadith that he never transmitted to the people because he believed certain hadith shouldn't be in possession of the laymen and Allah knows best,
At 9:53 I used the word "framework," however the correct word is "approach." Sorry for any inconvenience.
Dear Abdul Karim, Can you please elaborate on why you have not yet studied further into Imam Maliks methodology of how Malik differentiated between Sunna and Hadith. You were on Abu Layths podcast and he discussed this with you. You should have had enough time to study this in detail. I find it abit weak that your claiming you dont know enough of Malik. I feel as though thats an excuse, because Imam Maliks methodology is stronger than your refutation of all Hadith.
Accepting additional guidance outside Quran because they say it come prophet the prophet of Allah is a great mistake in Islam. That is what clearly let to sect in Islam.
I am very sure those people Almighty Allah Commented about in Q4v81 & Q47v16 that they go about saying something contrary from what they hear from Muhammed will equally find ways to create their own Hadith which will surely contradict Quran and its part of what some will hold as part of their guidance.
The safest area is to stick to the Quran alone or with Hadith that are in harmony with the Quran.
Salam
No matter how much I pull away during the odd disagreement, I'm still drawn to your conversations ever since coming across your good self in conversation with Sh. Omar Baloch during the hoax of this decade.
Most appreciative of this. Thinking feels like living. Especially during a time where it is being completely shut down.
Allah bless you, your guests, and your team for pursuing these lines of discussions.
Uwais
(Endgame Islam)
Word of ALLAHH vs word of man( Bukharist)
Salamunalaikum,
Imam Syafie was Imam Malik's student for 9 years befor Imam Malik's death. Why Imam Syafie did not mentions anything about Imam Mlik not attends Friday's prayer?
Great Discussion
Salaamun Alaikum Doc Mufti Abu Layth talks about Imaam Malik on his channel.
Talk also about imam abu hanifa as well
I think that after he was tortured for his fatwa saying that the great grandson of Ali Ibn Talib was forced into allegiance, and that was invalid, they attempted to disgrace him after that,, as far as I’ve read he became secluded after that, Allah knows best
One person was killed hiding under the cloth of qabah bcoz he used to commit blasphemy, when makkah was conquered.
According to some sources, Imam Malik (May Allah be pleased with him) imparted that he had a weak bladder. In this condition he found it to be disrespectful to visit the mosque. According to these sources, he further stated that he did not wish to voice his illness as it would be likened to complaining upon that which Allah (Praised and Exalted he is) had procured him with.
What in the Hearsay ?
That hadith abt the lady has been thrown in the bin already.
Dr. Omar please research Rashad Khalifa he is a major Islamic figure who discovered the mathematical miracle of the Quran.
What is a Quranist? Interesting new term is invented without a definition, and can one contemplate without a definition on Whether he was a Quranist? Please elaborate. Thanks
A quranist Is a a person who only follow the Quran but if u want more info u can watch my videos
I don't think you can call Quranist a sect.
Agree. Unless they start calling themselves quranists.
Malaki madhab is bigger than Shafai
Imam Malik has a whole hadith collection called Muwatta Imam Malik
Yeah, but he didn't say he accepts them. He just collected what he found.
Anyone who’s studied imam Maliks logic and life- can tell from a Mile away they he did nkt write Al muwatta. He was an old man when arrested and tortured. Guarantee they fabricated many narrations and attributed them to him.
Our corrupt evil tyrannical caliphs of the Umayyads and Abbasids were constant in this behaviour
This-Video proves what I always tell People:
Apathy is worse than Ignorance.
Number-1: al-Qur'aniyyah/Qur'anism (Rejection of the Sunnah/Prophetic-Tradition) never even existed via the Lifetime of Malik ibn-Anas.
Number-2: Malik ibn-Anas was literally a Muhaddith (Hadith/Narration-Scholar).
Number-3: Malik ibn-Anas is credited with being the Author of the Oldest Surviving-Musnad/Collection of Documented-Sunnah.
#Proof:
Ibn ‘Asakir reported: Malik ibn Anas, may Allah have mercy on him, said, “The Sunnah is like the Ark of Noah. Whoever boards it will be saved, and whoever does not board it will drown.”
Source: Tārīkh Dimashq
Why is most of your program not straight forward I mean you be giving so much stories and talking which is not needed. Please you are talking about Quran just hammered without without beating around.
This is a conversation between Dr. Omar Zaid and Abdul Karim. They are ENGAGING in a chat/discussion with each other. They are both learning from each other. It is a mutual agreement between the two men to make their videos publicly available, again, courtesy of Dr. Omar & Abdul Karim.
Dr. O asks a few questions, makes a statement, sets up a question, and Abdul picks up from there.
As far as "straight-forward" material. You're probably best off searching for white papers, scientific papers, journals, books etc,. that are formatted, generally speaking, in a straight-forward manner. Sometimes not being able to follow a discussion/book/paper doesn't mean they are not being straight forward, most of the onus is on the student.
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the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) that he said: “Verily, I have been given the Book and something like it with it, but soon a man will be lying replete on his couch and he will say: You should adhere to this Qur’an. Whatever you find is permitted in it, take it as permissible, and whatever you find forbidden in it, take it as forbidden.” Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani..
"Say: If the whole of mankind and Jinns gather together to make out a book like this Holy Qur’an, they could not do it even if they back up each other with help and support." (17:88)
"If you are in doubt of what we have revealed to our servant (Muhammad), then produce only one chapter comparable to this book; and call your witnesses or helpers to help you, if there are any besides Allah to assist you; if what you say be true. But if you fail to do so, and certainly you will fail, then fear the Fire whose fuel is man and stones prepared for the unbelievers.” (2:23-24)
These are the verses of Allāh which We recite to you in truth. Then in what statement (hadith) after Allāh and His verses will they believe? (45:6)
And the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) will say: “O my Lord! Verily, my people deserted this Quran (neither listened to it, nor acted on its laws and orders). (25:30)
So you are basically faced with a choice here ... Either you accept that Hadith you mentioned as truth and reject the following verses. Or you accept the following verses as truth and reject the Hadith. Because they are in clear contradiction to each other.. Up to you
Al-An'am 6:114
أَفَغَيْرَ ٱللَّهِ أَبْتَغِى حَكَمًا وَهُوَ ٱلَّذِىٓ أَنزَلَ إِلَيْكُمُ ٱلْكِتَٰبَ مُفَصَّلًاۚ وَٱلَّذِينَ ءَاتَيْنَٰهُمُ ٱلْكِتَٰبَ يَعْلَمُونَ أَنَّهُۥ مُنَزَّلٌ مِّن رَّبِّكَ بِٱلْحَقِّۖ فَلَا تَكُونَنَّ مِنَ ٱلْمُمْتَرِينَ
English - Sahih International
[Say], "Then is it other than Allāh I should seek as judge while it is He who has revealed to you the Book [i.e., the Qur’ān] explained in detail?" And those to whom We [previously] gave the Scripture know that it is sent down from your Lord in truth, so never be among the doubters.
Al-Ma'idah 5:44
إِنَّآ أَنزَلْنَا ٱلتَّوْرَىٰةَ فِيهَا هُدًى وَنُورٌۚ يَحْكُمُ بِهَا ٱلنَّبِيُّونَ ٱلَّذِينَ أَسْلَمُوا۟ لِلَّذِينَ هَادُوا۟ وَٱلرَّبَّٰنِيُّونَ وَٱلْأَحْبَارُ بِمَا ٱسْتُحْفِظُوا۟ مِن كِتَٰبِ ٱللَّهِ وَكَانُوا۟ عَلَيْهِ شُهَدَآءَۚ فَلَا تَخْشَوُا۟ ٱلنَّاسَ وَٱخْشَوْنِ وَلَا تَشْتَرُوا۟ بِـَٔايَٰتِى ثَمَنًا قَلِيلًاۚ وَمَن لَّمْ يَحْكُم بِمَآ أَنزَلَ ٱللَّهُ فَأُو۟لَٰٓئِكَ هُمُ ٱلْكَٰفِرُونَ
Indeed, We sent down the Torah, in which was guidance and light. The prophets who submitted [to Allāh] judged by it for the Jews, as did the rabbis and scholars by that with which they were entrusted of the Scripture of Allāh, and they were witnesses thereto. So do not fear the people but fear Me, and do not exchange My verses for a small price [i.e., worldly gain]. And whoever does not judge by what Allāh has revealed - then it is those who are the disbelievers
@@Shaima_Yacoub
And obey Allah and obey the Messenger
(Too many verses to list)
But no, by your Lord, they will not [truly] believe until they make you, [O Muḥammad], judge concerning that over which they dispute among themselves and then find within themselves no discomfort from what you have judged and submit in [full, willing] submission.
(Surah 4:65)
Whoever obeys the Messenger has truly obeyed Allah. But whoever turns away, then ˹know that˺ We have not sent you ˹O Prophet˺ as a keeper over them.
(Surah 4:80)
And whoever defies the Messenger after guidance has become clear to them and follows a path other than that of the believers, We will let them pursue what they have chosen, then burn them in Hell-what an evil end!
(Surah 4:115)
Yes, you have 2 choices, to follow Allah by following Muhammad ﷺ as He Has Himself commanded in countless verses, or by following your desires.
Have you seen ˹O Prophet˺ the one who has taken their own desires as their god? Will you then be a keeper over them?
(Surah 25:43)
@@Shaima_Yacoub I wouldn't waste your time or effort with people like the Original Commentator. There's probably a verse in the Quran that speaks to that, you bring them the truth and they believe not no matter the case. ~ The AG Team
@@zafster22 the recipients of the Quran in the time of Muhammad had no book. They only had a blessed man in front of them speaking holy words that were revealed to him piece by piece. If the verses said " obey god" or judge by what God says ,... " Wouldn't they say , "we already are!" .. we have the Torah or whatever our fathers were on! Please consider the possibility that the command to obey the messenger and judge by what the messenger rules MEANS OBEYING THE MESSAGE and accepting the Quran now as the final word that was brought down through him to them and all of us. Read those verses again and see how it will all make sense now from this lens without having to REJECT any one verse. He himself tells us that he only made judgements based on this Quran. If you really want to follow him shouldn't you do the same? Wouldn't doing anything different mean that you are NOT following him and obeying him? Food for thought.
Because as a rasul the responsibility is to deliver the quran without corruption including the rasul's own interpretation. As a nabi, he was a nabi for the israelites not the followers of the quran. He was the last nabi for the torah as the torah was lost, but with the quran he was a rasul and he is prohibited to provide additional understanding from the quran as the understanding is to be delivered by Allah directly to the student of the quran.
Aslam aliacom dear teachers every thing at the end poisoned honey
Concerning this "problematic" hadith: First of all you quoted it wrong. It doesnt say "On judgment day" and it doesnt say "O Prophet". It says "Before judgment day i.e in the end times (which apparently have already started) the muslims will be fighting with the jews (which is already happening) and the jews will hide behind trees and every tree will say: "Oh muslim, behind me is a jew, come and kill him", except the Gharqad tree (which is being planted on mass in "Israel" right now, because they know this prophecy is true).
Secondly, Allah (Praised and Exalted he is) confirms this in sura 5:82, when he says:
"You will surely find the most bitter towards the believers to be the Jews and polytheists and the most gracious to be those who call themselves Christian. That is because there are priests and monks among them and because they are not arrogant."
Allah (Praised and Exalted he is) is making clear that in the end times there will be an alliance between a majority of the jews (i.e the zionists) and the mushrikeen (i.e the secular west) against the muslims and that a group of christians (i.e the orthodox christians) will be our allies. We can see that already happening in the oppression in the holy land and also in the holy war that Russia and the Chechens are currently fighting against the devils of the west and their zionist masters in Ukraine.
Please, for Allahs Sake, you too are intelligent, educated men. Dont fall into the trap of quranism. Its just another devilish trap to lure muslims into extremism and disbelief, just like salafism and other extremist ideologies. Repent and come back to Allah (Praised and Exalted he is) and the sunna of the Prophet (Allahs greetings and blessings be upon him).
And btw, I am a Maliki and I agree with you that the sunna has to be judged on the quran and Im pretty sure that Imam Maliks approach of validating the customs of medina over certain ahadith is right. But we cant throw away the whole sunna just because some (or most) scholars got it wrong. If you have any questions on the Maliki Madhab feel free to ask me and I will be glad to help according to my knowledge.