Make the Switch - Your DnD Character in ANOTHER SYSTEM!
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- čas přidán 9. 06. 2024
- I know this video isn't nearly as edited or scripted as my usual context. Life is busy as heck, and I whipped this out in a morning. I really just wanted this information out there for everyone to use, no ads or any of that. I hope it helps.
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0:00 - Intro
1:09 - The D&D Character
2:55 - Fate
8:08 - Dungeon World (PbtA)
12:47 - Cypher System
20:31 - Cortex Prime
29:16 - Pathfinder 2E
32:39 - Outra - Zábava
Another idea for a video like this would be to have a very basic introduction to show GMs how to convert existing 5e adventures into these systems. I know that this might be a much longer video, so you might do only one video per system. Instead of talking about how to convert stats, you could instead talk about how adventures in these systems are structured differently than 5e, or what aspects of an adventure these games highlight compared to 5e that mostly focuses on combat. It's generally the GMs who have to do most of the work when changing to a new system, and a video like this could provide a bit of encouragement, inspiration, and hand-holding.
For some or many of those systems here is no concept of adventure Modules. Dungeon world and Fate lean heavy on Player Participation with the players taking a lot of the worldbuilding. "Play to find out" is a term you will here very often, were there is no prewritten path the Session should take
@@philippholdermann3374 I understand, but I think that providing examples of how to run games would be very helpful, especially how one could draw inspiration from from a 5e-style adventure
@@philippholdermann3374 when you're playing the game at your table, a Fate D&D game will be whatever you and your players want it to be...even if that means using a premade setting, and doing a delve into a premade dungeon. 🤷🏻
You're providing a valuable service to the ttrpg communty. I'm hoping those migrating from dnd find these videos useful.
Absolutely legendary timing, with their shitty statement just a few hours ago. Great video concept!
Hey there. Just popping in to mention that I've been watching this channel since darn near when you first started making videos, and the content/production quality has been outstanding. This should be a larger channel but youtube is the worst with spreading the good ones sometimes, especially in this niche field. I'll be here cheering you on in the meantime.
I'm biased but Pathfinder 2e is amazing and I highly recommend it to anyone looking for 5e alternatives with more modern (improved) d20 mechanics. Fate is great too- I GM it every week with some friends. I learned to play Cypher from this channel, and had the opportunity to play it at Pax Unplugged this year. I appreciate the effort you put into making these games shine.
Pathfinder is currently using OGL 1.0 so that people can use their system without paying.
However, due to the recent debacle, Paizo is developing a new license called the Open RPG Creative Licence (ORC) in the coming months which is a similar thing with the added safeguard of non-tampering due to it being owned by a third party non-profit organization.
I'm glad ppl like exist to inform others that we are not boxed into DnD when it comes TRPGs.
Hey! Are you also a Voice-Over Artist? I feel like I recognize your voice from some AskReddit channels (Mainly Fact, Mostly Facts) which are being run suuuuper differently from this one. We all gotta make money somehow and it brings so much charisma to the channels, it's just that the mystery of the guy behind the voice has been driving me nuts!! Anyhow, I love that this channel exists, as a huge D&D nerd :D
Mystery solved!
I'm the voice for those channels but they aren't owned by me. This is my personal channel where I do the editing and everything, hence the very different feel ☺️
It took me months of study to understand Cortex Prime, but now it is probably my favorite system. However, I use Savage Worlds a bit more, due to the amount of content available
I was thinking about priming Savage Worlds. Could still use the stat blocks with minimal modification.
Dude... I need that Cypher character sheet, it's so much cleaner and easier to read than the official one
You're doing the Lord's work. I'm so glad that a dnd youtuber also spreads the word about other systems, it's so sad to only ever see DnD in the wild.
I would love for you to dm a short scene with the same players using the different systems. Just to see how each of these different systems work with the same scene.
It's funny you mention that, because that's exactly what I've been working on, but on an even bigger scale. I just haven't had time to get it done
*happy gasp* a new Dnewb video! And it’s about some of my favourite systems too!
Another great transition from 5e is Fantasy Age as it’s another rules medium system
And it also has a core rulebook coming out this year with updated and new rules.
Thanks for making a video that showed different routes you could go with Cortex when converting a D&D character. Don't know how indepth you are aware of the previous iteration of the system (Cortex Plus) -- those games were the games that introduced me to the hobby and first taught me what an rpg is (Smallville, Marvel, Leverage, Firefly, Hackers Guide, ect) and all those books are probably my favorite rpg books in my collection, first love + their all oop now. Prime though cool, one thing that didn't click with me was that Prime seemed to be really focused on updating the Firefly system (Attributes+Skills+Distinction SFX triggers+Signature Asset SFX triggers) whereas when looking at Hackers Guide MORE focus was placed on ACTION (leverage)/DRAMATIC/HEROIC iterations of the system. And I agree, if someone only knew D&D / d20 like games and transitioned to a narrative game like Cortex, the Firefly character sheet model (the one you presented first) would 100% be the one to go with --- but in my mind Cortex doesn't have to be a clone of D&D and your roleplaying narrative just as much as you are individual characters, so your second example, focusing on roles ect, completely simplifies the character sheet and opens up for some narrative creativity, in my opinion obviously. So this is pretty invaluable that you gave 3 DIFFERENT examples on how to cortex a D&D character. It seems ever since Cortex's conception there has always been people who have wanted to D&Dify Cortex, so these examples are really great (and Dragon Prince is out, too, which would be another take on Fantasy Cortex).
Do you have any plans to make additional Cortex content? The system is not dead but man, there really hasn't been anything new or anything since Dragon Prince came out and the game went to Dire Wolf. I'm a KS backer, so I've received the digital spotlights, but really have never cracked those open (the overall visual format they went with never really won me over) to this day, however, I still crack open all my old Cortex Plus books and tinker and have fun.
I'm looking at modifying some Old School D&D to Fate, and I was probably going to use Fate Accelerated! At least, I'm probably going to do away with the Skill Tree and just go with Approaches based on the D&D stats. Then I'm thinking Mantles for Species and Class, if I don't just do the easier thing and just say, "you have 'Dwarf Cleric' in your High Concept so... you're basically good at anything a Dwarf or a Cleric would be good at. Invoke accordingly." 🤷🏻
8:20 "Powered by the Apocalyse" means Apocalypse World was the first game using the system, and Dungeon World and all the other games in other genres were inspired by that first post-apocalyise type game.
This was GREAT! I just got together with my group after deciding to try *something* else other than 5E and I brought up (probably for the dozenth time) doing some 'taster' sessions of other systems (thinking particularly of Cypher). Took some hunting to figure out you had gotten your Gnome Descriptor from Godforsaken. I didn't know anything about Cortex Prime but after seeing what you did with it I'm Uber Intrigued. Thanks, this is exactly what I was looking for!
You're welcome! I'm always happy to hear when I've helped out. I have a long video and teaching-focused actual play of Cortex Prime out as well that might help give more info about it. It is legitimately one of my absolute favorite systems, but it is a beast to fully wrap your head around at first.
You should definitely focus on making videos that you want to make. And, if you feel like you want to lol, a video on how to make Cortex Prime sheets in Foundry like you have would be great!
Great idea for a video! Hopefully it can ride the current anti-WOTC wave and generate lots of views.
I know you kind of touched on it a little but I have been playing in a Pathfinder 1st edition game. You're right, the system is more complicated and there are a lot of little bits and pieces that you can keep tweaking with your character but I have found that I really like the extra level of depth in the system. That said, the spells in that system are quite a bit weaker and minor illusion is mostly the same as 5E except that it's a 1st level spell and you need to prepare that spell specifically if you want to cast it at any point in the day, and each time you prepare it for the day is one less other 1st level spell that you can prepare that day. Though, a rogue would have a hard time getting access to a 1st level spell without some serious investment I think (I don't know, I've only ever played my tiefling wizard in that system, though we do have a paladin who can make himself large at least several times a day).
Love your vids. I also love that Buttbutton . . . Buttons? Errrr this PC is essentially Antonio Banderas's character from Desperado.
Just finished the video, great job man.
First, understandable that life gets busy. Don’t worry about it, just make videos when you want. We’ll still be here.
Second, what’s the program you used for making the character sheets for DW and Cortex?
“Outro catchphrase”
Thanks much! And both of those were in Foundry.
Came to this channel because a bald guy claimed that I knew about it. Never heard about this channel before but I might have more of a gander through videos to see if it's something I would watch (I play a lot of TTRPGs and have done for a few years now, so, not sure if the channel's content is really at my level)
One of my MotW players successfully recreated his usual D&D paladin using the The Divine playbook, it's been pretty fun. One of the playbook moves you can choose gives you holy wings.
I was missing you a lot, I love your videos.
IT'S THE MAINLY FACTS GUY GET HIM!
Awesome ideas!
But wait. When is your One More Multiverse video coming out? We need even more of your content to get us through this cold and dark winter!
A good question, to which my answer is...hopefully in the next few months? Free time is a tough thing to find lately, but I have that and my How to Play Quest video in line to go up next
Great video Claus! I didn’t mind the lack of script. It was cool to have a more “off-the-cuff” video! Here are some other great RPG systems I would personally recommend:
Index Card RPG
Fantasy Age
Savage Worlds
Quest RPG
Forbidden Lands
Black Hack
Maze Rats
Knave
Mecha Hack
Low Fantasy Gaming
Cairn
Dungeon Crawl Classics
Shadowdark RPG
Basic Fantasy RPG
Ironsworn
Mausritter
Other ones I’ve heard are good but don’t have myself:
Tiny Dungeon
Deathbringer
Burning Wheel
Call of Cthulhu
Dude, I’ve missed you. Good to see a video, and a great idea too!
Love your editing, as usual.
Not all heroes wear capes. Some wear bow-ties
I was just looking for a video like this! Thank you!
I love Barbarians of Lemuria :D Cortex Prime reminded me a little bit of it :)
I recommend Savage Pathfinder taking a look at savage worlds. Very decent system and less crunchy but gets crazy with bonuses and penalties at higher levels.
Is it still manageable at higher levels? Do most of those higher level modifiers come from passive features, or are their a lot of active features being activated?
Welcome back!
Perfect video!
Definitely love cypher system!!
YES! This was what I was looking for online :) I'd love to move my campaign to other systems.
I sincerely hope this rambling mess of a video helps you find a system that will work for you!
@@TheDungeonNewbsGuide I'm already running a game with Cortex Prime (huge thanks to your video) and this gave me ideas on how to move my unfinished D&D campaign to Cortex :) I'm also very eager to learn Cypher System and this video definitely helped
Savage Worlds. *mic drop*. I've converted ... Star Wars d6, Top Secret 1E, Gamma World, Boot Hill, Gangbusters, Traveller, and obviously D&D. Super simple. It's a grainier system, but runs fast, clean and with a lot of things going on under the hood. Want Goblins that can be a danger at ANY level? Want suppressive fire that actually makes sense? A system that assumes all the little nitty-gritty skills your character may have (a la old school) are assumed to be there and available (Common Knowledge) - and this may nclude cantrips/orisons, and a clean magic system that avoids piles of lists of spells and has flexible powers that can emulate a power (by skinning the special effects). etc. Its a dream and I have been gaming for 30 years. The only other system that came close was D6 System. It can take a small learning curve, but once you get it, I can only describe it as "elegant simplicity."
It's a solid system from what I recall of it (my experience is limited and a while ago)! I personally jump between so many systems, because I love to find the ones that perfectly fit my game, but I know a lot of folks who swear by Savage Worlds for a lot!
Well I wouldn't say savages swear a lot but sometimes. Lol.
I only just realised this was mainly facts guy. I love your videos
Very nice video! I really would like you to review ICRPG Master Edition. It's another great option for players to leave d&d.
Well needed video in these dire times
Hey!!! He’s back
Great video and glad to see you back! I did see that Modiphius is apparently opening up its 2d20 system for people to work with and it was recently highlighted by DriveThruRPG. Have you tried any of those out yet?
I haven't yet, but it will be going on my list now!
@@TheDungeonNewbsGuide So far I've only looked into their Dishonored game, but overall it seems like it could be fun. You just need to get between 0 and 5 successes by rolling under the attribute the GM calls for. More than happy to share opinions when I get to play them!
I had a hunch you would release such a video.
I convert my player's characters for them when I want to do one shots or special events in a non dnd system
3:20 It's "destiny has LED his hand..." To lead (leeeeeeed) is present-tense, led is past-tense, not to be confused with the metal: lead.
Where did you get the customizable Cortex Prime character sheet from?
I picked up Cortex Prime because of your video explaining it! And I can’t wait to run it. But I’d love to get that kind of character sheet so I can customize it for my games.
Love your videos!
Thank you. I used Foundry
Mainly Facts man :D, you look lovely
Great video thanks! What about savage worlds and pathfinder for savage worlds?
ICRPG and EZD6, Tiny Dungeons, are some other good options.
Absolutely love each of those! Considered including them but time was such a factor
id like to see cypher played
Not that I've gotten to play them, but the couple of characters I have in mind for 5e were based on the mechanics of those classes....
The feylost dreams druid could probably be finagled.
The genie warlock on the other hand...
The whole idea came from the genie vessel, and other class features.
That one doesn't seem like it could translate over too well into most systems.
I can't speak for all of them, but generally the more "narrative" driven systems, like Cortex, could handle it, as everything is practically custom from the ground up. You just need the idea and put it in. You could even expand it more deeply than it is in D&D, but it does require being creativity to think up and hash out the ideas, rather than taking them from a book, however.
Savage Worlds isn't open (yet, though I haven't checked to see if they're jumping on this ORC bandwagon or whatnot) but they make their licensing super easy.
Pathfinder 2E has a gnarly character sheet. It’s super busy. I don’t think I’ll head down that road maybe ever. Cypher is looking more and more like the direction I’m going to push anyone who wants me to GM going forward, possibly Cortex if I feel like building something myself.
I already run most of my D&D games more like Cypher than actual D&D as is and my players seem to enjoy it. Shifting away from HP and the comfy stat array to Edge and Pools would take some getting used to, but I think they could handle it.
yea pathfinder is better used with pathbuilder or wanderer's guide
this isn't super related but I'd love a video on how to play the Gumshoe ttrpg system
Cortex is an amazing system, but it requires too much adjustment, in my opinion... I think that to master a cortex prime game, you basically need to be a full-time master. I don't have the patience to pick all of the special effect for each distinction, power, or whatever you choose to include in your game.
Honestly, that's fair. I love Cortex, buuut I also love spending hours upon hours "systemcrafting" with its mods. It can be a great way to get a customized feel for a campaign you want to play that no other game quite does right. But if you aren't going to run a long game with it, you could easily spend a lot longer adjusting mods than you do actually playing the dang game lol. It is definitely a system that I only recommend with a handful of caveats, that's for sure.
@TheDungeonNewbsGuide the system itself is good, though, which is why I like the games that use it, but come with prepackaged distinctions and distinction abilities (which, I think, are the most difficult thing to adapt). If I had to go for a generic, though, and build my game from the ground up, I think I'd pick Genesys, Basic, or Cypher, which are much more manageable in my opinion.
Apologies if I missed it but what are the various character building tools you’re using?
I was planning on including that info but forgot.
Dungeon World and Cortex Prime were both being displayed in FoundryVTT. The others were just fillable character sheets, though Pathfinder has a site called pathbuilder you can use to create a character, and it is amazingly useful
Do a How to Play Twilight 2000! : )
(I've been trying to learn it for three weeks and can't get my head around it...)
Hey Klaus, I was thinking while you were talking about Cypher. If you changed the die roll in Cypher to be d10-based rather than d20-based, could you just use the difficulty as the target number rather than having to multiply it? I'm sure others have asked this before, in fact _I_ may have asked this before, but I forget so I need to be told again!
It wouldn't quite work for a few reason...
1. There are certain, uncommon times where something might just add 1 or 2 to your d20 roll. They are rare, but make small differneces.
2. A roll at Difficulty 7-10 is impossible (requires a 21-30 result...on a d20). Those difficulties are there to be overcome with Skills, Effort, and Assets.
...huh, so actually, if we go with what you were getting at, a d6 could actually work, if you just did away with reason #1. And frankly, they come up so rarely, I don't think it would hurt the system...YOU HONESTLY MIGHT BE ON TO SOMETHING! Like, it means you can't take advantage of those 1-2 bonuses, but who cares?! It takes away an somewhat annoying math hurdle to give a 1-to-1 Difficulty-to-roll result comparison.
Wow, did not expect to pull such a weird 180 all within this one reply, but you're going to have me thinking about this for a while...
OK, WAIT. THERE IS A REASON
A success on a 17 is +1 dmg, 18 +2, 19 +3 or a minor effect, 20 is +4dmg or a major effect.
SO, the "crit" system is reliant on a d20. However, if you wanted to simplify that system, Crit on a 6. Way bigger chance of it to happen, but you totally could.
@@TheDungeonNewbsGuide Yeah, I immediately forgot about the details you brought up, which is why I asked rather than just immediately decided to "fix" this system by changing a core rule. Sometimes changing a rule has far reaching consequences.
But hey! That conclusion about using a d6 is really interesting! Honestly, the core of my issue was "I just physically don't like rolling d20s, I much prefer rolling d10s and d6s", and also I do agree the "multiply difficulty by 3" just feels like a weird stumbling block that gets in Cypher's way. I'm glad to hear you're excited about it! I think this is something worth our time to explore, so I'll do some studying on my own to see where it goes too.
@@TheDungeonNewbsGuide Aha, that's a really good point too. Yes, I agree, if you simplify the crit system it could also work, but I do think it will mean that you'll crit A LOT more often. That might be something to think about.
@@StarkMaximum Been talking with some friends about it, and they suggested that if you roll a 6, then you have to roll again and get a 4, 5, or 6 to confirm the crit (whichever you roll determining the "level" of crit). IT's certainly an idea to play around with
I am looking for a RPG system (tile based combat) for a living world/west marches discord server, which ones would be a good choice? Very often RPGs are based around the DM or settings, so it needs to be a bit more general and concrete. Most servers use 5e
Out of the ones I showed here, Pathfinder 2E is the closest to what you are looking for. Emberwind does amazing and more streamlined tile based combat (a little confusing at first, but really picks up speed when you get it) but might not offer the growth a lot of people want (at least not in the way most people would think of it). EZD6 can be tile based, but is suuuuper simplified. No character growth mechanically, aside from the gain and loss of magic items, but the system is super satisfying. Beyond that, I'm not too certain, but those are some options I would look into
@@TheDungeonNewbsGuide thank you
What was Buttbutton’s Rogue Racket(subclass) and 1st Level Class feat in P2e??? 😢
Another important difference between 5e and P2e is that you choose your class’s subclass at 1st Level.
Ah yes, forgot that. Scoundrel and Overextending Feint were the choices I went with, if memory serves correct.
What character generator did you use for cortex? i want to find something like that to convince my players to make the switch
That is actually a Cortex game mod on FoundryVTT. A little finicky to figure out but probably the best thing I've found for making Cortex sheets online (barring spending way too much time designing one in Photoshop or whatever lol)
What sheet/vtt/character builder were you using for Dungeon World?
I put that one together on Foundry. Really robust resources for that game on Foundry
@@TheDungeonNewbsGuide excellent thank you!
@@TheDungeonNewbsGuide I just found your channel like yesterday and your content is 👌 excellent! Keep it up!
Ogl 1.1 was worth it to get klaus to post again
Hey Mainly Facts guy
Thanks for this video. But... but... How to do a wizzzzzzzard?! Or any spellcaster actually. Would be educational.
I've considered doing another video that touches on that more. I didn't have time this time around, and also for Fate and Cortex, it's really up to you how you want to handle it, which makes it harder to cover.
NOT MAINLY FACTS FR
Hi mainly fac- I mean dungeon noob
Is this the reddit guy?
Who can say? I'm a man of many hats, and that's a fact. Well, it's Mainly a Fact... ;)
@@TheDungeonNewbsGuide suspicious... actually... I think mainly fact is that one reddit channel 🤔 you know, the best reddit channel out there.
I honestly find the amount of complexity (a more accurate term than "customization") of Pathfinder 2e and D&D 5e to be very off-putting and not worth the time and energy invested to learn and master those systems.
The FATE and Cortex Prime conversions look so elegant in comparison; even a non-gamer can look at those and get a gist as to who Buttbutton is by skimming through it.
Dungeon World is more involved but the payoff is 10x more than learning D&D 5e or Pathfinder 2e, IMO.
Cypher System is...there, and also milquetoast in game play (this I say from experience). It's more of a massive cafeteria than the elegant and actually customizable FATE and Cortex Prime.
I couldn't be less interested in playing some talky-talky, no miniatures/maps, no combat RPG with dice that don't have numbers on them.
Strong feeling, but that's why I included Pathfinder, Cypher, and Cortex Prime.
I wouldn't go to Fate Core, it's terrible.
--It's innumerate. Characters seem to be living in a world oblivious to the laws of physics. No falling-damage rules; the damage you get is just "subject to the dramatic demands of the story" or some drama storytime nonsense like that.
--It's a cushion for the emotions. No character has the risk of death. If they are close to being "taken out", you can Concede and, somehow, the Universe keeps you alive. You are in the control of the enemy, for a while, and the GM will even give you some Fate Points to reward your stupidity and so you can come out swinging in the next scene.
--Benefits and drawbacks aren't scaled. Most games have situation modifiers that vary in size, but Fate's Aspects each offer exactly the same thing: a +2 or re-roll. There's no tactical finesse: if you charge your opponent or just apply some light grease to your sword, you're still going to get a +2 or re-roll either way!
I actually consider all those to be features instead of bugs. I like that you can put as little or as much emphasis on realistic physics as you and your table wants. I like that you can put on heavy plot armour without having to completely change death rules. My group actually made pc death a soft limit, because we all feel that not having to fear for your characters live allows us to get more emotionally invested in them, so other consequeces gain more weight. And that's more fun for us.
Your last point touches on something I personally don't prefer, but I don't hate it either. It keeps everything nice and simple. You don't have to memorize as much game mechanic stuff and have more brain space left for the story.
Fate is amazing for adventures with a super heavy story focus. It's not great for more simulationist playstyles or if you enjoy that board gamey feel that comes with dnd combat. No rpg system is one size fits all. But that dosn't make them terrible.
I couldn't disagree more. And I would add that your assessment of many of Fate's "flaws" seem to be based in a faulty understanding of how it's supposed to work.
"Characters seem to be living in a world oblivious to the laws of physics...no falling damage mechanic..." etc. Damage is based on the dramatic demands of the story.
My guy, there's a very simple mechanic in Fate: "Aspects are always true." If you are falling from a great height, and you don't have a grapple gun like Batman, or a wing suit, or a parachute, or a cushy padding of some kind beneath you, YOU'RE TAKING STRESS. YOU MIGHT EVEN DIE, which takes me to your next misunderstanding...
Fate Core is generally set up to avoid character death, and instead encourages players being knocked out, forced to run away, captured, etc...but that's an OPTIONAL play style. All you need is table buy in from the players, and death is absolutely on the table again. If the risk of death is part of what makes the delve fun for you, IT'S AVAILABLE.
All your criticism of the lack of finesse is rendered pointless by the fact that Fate is just not worried about numbers crunching, and is more about the action and the story going on. You can describe the damage of your sword strike however fits the fiction and the roll results. But the resulting Stress hit doesn't even SIGNIFY how bad a cut was, so much as how close the character is to being "taken out" of the game...by running away, by going unconscious, or (YES!) by having their head lopped off.
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Hi mainly facts guy (lmao), I wanna voice over for you. Please contact me
Hehe thank you for the offer, but I'm not looking for any voice over artists. That is one of the very few skills I myself have. If I get someone to do VO, I've got nothing to do
@@TheDungeonNewbsGuide got you, just whenever your branch of channels is planning to grow and branch out let me know! I’m heavily interested!