Ask Dr. Ramani: How Do I Go to Therapy with a Narcissist? | Season 2; Ep 19
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Therapy with a narcissist is a waste of time and money, period. Narcs go to therapy to learn exactly how to abuse you better and use certain language to discuss it. It's dangerous. A therapist who notices you're with a narc but doesn't cancel couple's therapy and recommend individual with you instead is unethical and also a part of the love scam as well.
So right! I experienced exactly that.
WOW riiight ~ that’s what happened
Yup. It happened in my first relationship with a narc and I quickly recognized it in my second (&final!) Relationship where again I went into therapy with a narc. I went to 2 sessions. On the third session I called him out in front of therapist and ended the session. Afterward therapist pulled me aside to make sure I was ok enough to drive home, and told me I was spot on and was surprised I had lasted that long.
@@jayrodriguez4119Are you safe and out now?
@@CatharineCummings Yes. But typically they never fully go away. You have to keep working at maintaining that distance.
Therapy with a Narc is further abuse & victimization. It did not help our marriage. All 4 rounds of therapy with him made me feel worse about myself & more hopeless. This was all before I knew what narcissism is. After I became aware of narcissism, I then started therapy on my own & was able to build up my mental capacity to make my escape after 19 years of psychological warfare with my covert Narc. Almost at the finish line in the 3 year divorce process. My peace has come at a high cost but I’m thankful to be free & autonomous now.
Do whatever it takes to get out of these soul crushing situations. Much love to all survivors of any kind of abuse ❤❤❤❤
Amen!!!🙏
I actually quit therapy when I realized the therapist is unemphatic and unsafe. She is an EMDR therapist, but I felt getting gaslighted and more traumatized. She lacks knowledge of toxic relationship dynamics. Feeling unsafe is a big red flag for a bad therapist 🚩
I was extra abused and confused after therapy. That conseler only emboldened the narc., and traumatized me. I am quite sure there was not much going on there but a flirting session.
I went to couples counseling with the Narc. The good news is that Dr. Ramani had already schooled me in this subject so I knew what I was getting into. Knowledge is power!
My father tried therapist after therapist w my narc mother. As long as the therapist focused on his issues she was happy. The minute the therapist started to address her problems she walked out and fired them. You do not criticize her.
He is still married to her. 60 years of hell. We would celebrate if he ever left her. She made him become a deacon in the Catholic Church though and if a deacon divorces he can not remarry.
I think he needs to leave that church too. She has him in a cage and loves torturing him.
Wow, same story w my narc wife
Any therapy that points at her issues disqualifies that therapist immediately.
“Oh, we need to find a xxxx therapist to deal w your issues” she says
Fu@k outta here 😂
Give him my info and he and I can do it together 😎😎😎
Listening to responses I'm so happy I decided to leave him. He abruptly moved out. He later suggested we go for therapy and work through our "issues". I went to bed and in the morning sent him a message "Thanks for the 2yrs we had but this will not work. All the best". Binge watching your videos, I am 💯% convinced I cut my loss. I chose the pain of separation with him rather than being with him and losing myself. Thank you very much For Ramani 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Dr Ramani you are a pioneer in this field. Keep it up! We cheer you on! I have never had a therapist even know what narcissism is. And please people be careful when you are a Christian like me and want a Christian therapist. My Christian therapist when I began sharing about my narc mother’s abuse made me feel guilty for even talking about her and she made excuses for her. “Every parent isn’t perfect. We all make mistakes.” “You need to forgive and understand her”
This was when I finally went no contact in 2020. Because of the therapist I invited her back into my life and she used this opportunity to do unbelievable damage to my relationship w my youngest daughter and me.
She did not understand Christianity. Hers was a watered down be nice to everyone version.
That’s NOT the God I know. Jesus always confronted sin and abuse. He was no doormat.
Be very careful interview the therapist. Just because they have the label if Christian means nothing. Better to have a therapist who understands trauma and narcissism anyday
Christian therapists are the worst.
Sorry this happened to you and good that you realized it so u could turn it around for you. There are 2 things I beleive not to be mixed education with religion and therapy. I resonate with you about the damage to your relationship with your daughter.
Correct
I'm so sorry for what u went throught 😞...Jim Cress, he is excellent as well...Good luck with everything...❤
I hope you and your daughter healed. ♥️ spot on description of many Christian’s. In fact it’s a perfect vignette of the church today. Weak ignorant and duped!
You don't go to therapy with a narcissist to help your relationship. You go to therapy to hear about what you "should" be doing, how you "should" be acting this way. You "should" know every nuance that will make your narcissist happy. You "should" allow them to talk to you like a child. And don't forget: You "should" try to be better in every way that the narcissist is trying to change you to be!
I took my "shoulds" and went NC 9 years ago!
A reality show with real couples and conflict dynamics and you watching and critiquing the situation from another room would be an amazing show and very educational!!
Because some of us deal with narcissistic people who have additional dark personality traits it would be helpful to learn specifics related to them. Thank you, Dr. Ramani
p.s. Therapy with the narcissist made him a better narcissist.
What the heck good is an apology from a narcissist!? 😂 they lie!!! They don’t care about their words to you. Their words are nothing more than coins placed in you - their vending machine - to get what they want!! It’s a fantasy. They’re not sorry. The ‘apology’ is just a quarter in the machine to get what they want (which is for you to shut up about their abuse)
Life with them is a vicious cycle.
Yep, just a manipulation. They'll do it again or excuse their behavior or remember the thing completely differently tomorrow.
❤❤❤ Thank you Dr Ramani
Great episode! I love the topical qna. This was a fantastic one, been there done that got the entire t-shirt collection on this one. Not successful he turned my personal therapist against me and that's just the tip of the iceberg. Thank you for addressing this in so much detail and the complexity of the issue. Just finding a personal therapist who really resonates with you and can stay a tuned is very challenging and itself let alone finding somebody who understands the Dynamics of narcissistic people or even is an actual trauma therapist to not just trauma-informed
I cried at the very end. Thank you Dr Ramani for making narcissism easier to digest. I have been to couple therapy with narcissistic exes, and they all solely focused on communication. I always wondered what was wrong with me not being able to communicate and express my needs.
Thank you Dr Ramani! I have read your books and listen to your videos and podcast. You'd helped me unravel so much baggage ! Amazing
I went to marriage counseling with my NARC and I was forced to comfort him over and over when he would cry and be upset. This monster was in a long term affair belittling me and acting like I was the bad person.
The narc also watched Dr. Ramani at my request and he said I shouldn’t be listening to that quack. That just solidified what I already knew.
Interestingly, she was fine with therapy, but there was no action and she could 'inspect me' during therapy. I was forced to tell her my deepest fears, etc which she could exploit later. She would hunch over into a little ball and act sad, then immediately shift back to normal after leaving. Highly discourage going to therapy with them.
Thanks for this. I'm a therapist in training and struggled w a client who really swung between grandiose, vulnerable (very very needy) and super rigid self-righteous behavior. Suspected and also had several professors point towards NPD, and this video nails it--we both "dropped out"; the penultimate session had me calling out the repeating pattern of their behavior without naming any pathology. They logged out abruptly and next session, it was as if none of it happened, back to them being performative. That was my limit.
My narcissistic mother “doesn’t need therapy” because she “has God.” I haven’t seen a lot of conversations about how narcissistic people use religion to control people. It happened to me growing up & it’s very hard for other to understand unless they grew up the same.
I grew up the same … yes … hard to mss as me people
My mother thinks she IS GOD. A cult leader with no followers, as she damaged everyone who came close to her
I went to a therapist for help about my relationship.She said I think you seem almost addicted to this person,but in kind of a way that she seemed to be putting me down. I felt embarrassed about that and never went back.
It's a hard pill to swallow, but a 'relationship' with a narcissist is like an addiction. :(
I'm going to be honest, this video kind of killed that shred of hope I had for therapy to be a possible choiche.
Not that my partner ever wanted to go, but even if I'd manage to leverage her self-interests in order to go to therapy, from the look of it, it's like a minefild with little to no result if not a worsening of the situation.
I feel kinda lost at sea now.
I got mine to go a few times. Nothing really worked. Actually had one counselor call me, apologizing that he had to kick my husband out of his 1st one on one session, because he refused to take any accountability and got really rude when the counselor held his feet to the fire. Another time with another one he was being charming and whitewashing everything, and dismissing me, I got really upset & had to leave. That counselor actually helped us a little but she was so dang sweet he couldn't resist getting some supply from her. She was an older woman and a Christian. Sadly, there was no lasting change. It takes continued therapy and desire for change. Not just seeing it is a box to check ☑️. "Look, we went, and we're both to blame." Leaving and being done, is probably the only thing that might compel a narcissist to do the work.
What happens is it turns into a screaming match of one voice belittling you and your therapist. True story he 'fired' my first therapist after my third session. Then when I introduced him into my therapy sessions with the second therapist he verbally abused me when he was asked questions about himself or our relationship and showed zero introspection. Thank God 🙏 it's over.
This is such an important episode. I have watched many, many. My 1st therapist who knew me super well and never told me my partner was the narcissist she saw... and said she will help me deal with him. BUT if I had heard the word Narcissist... I would have done research, might have found you and other 5 years before...
My ex would never go to therapy. This is before I even knew about narcissistic behavior. My 13 year old daughter would beg him to go to family therapy. I'm convinced 💯 percent that he is a vulnerable narcissist.
One pediatrician I know who got duped for awhile into believing that I was an iffefectual parent compared to my ex later ended up going through a divorce too. She was smarter than me when going through it when refusing to go along with divorce proceedings group therapy for each of them which believe it or not was the style at the time in divorce court rooms where we both lived. Instead I went along with it for awhile so that both my lawyer and his lawyer then after only a few weeks of that group therapy agreed that my estranged husband was then cured of his behavior problems. So very unscientific.
I am in therapy with my NPd husband. This was a great helpful video. He has improved but he thinks I am improving!
This was back in 1988.
Ten years married to a covert N with 3 children. They discarded and cheated then moved out. What a relief! BUT the nightmare continued as the family court ordered therapy. We were given a therapist who specialized in Veteran PTSD. They recognized my psychological “beat down” and shutdown the X’s charm and seduction. I ran into this therapist years later and she said your X “ is not evil but has the propensity to be evil”.
First time I heard the idea of evil/live. N live life backwards. 🙏
I refused to go into that trap....his issues are HIS issues, and have caused me to have severe C PTSD and the damage to my marriage and children were irreparable...meanwhile for decades he convinced me( and my sons) I am the problem.
...he s been to 5?6? Therapists.....and would come home and say " my therapist says you re just looking for things to be upset about,"....didn t take long for me to ask and him to confirm my suspicions- he tells them nothing of his insane behavior, just tells them my reaction....If we went into therapy, I d do all the talking....and HE would act like this "good guy", quiet victim......I hope there is a special place in h*ll for these people....
The Devil is the ultimate narcissist, so all of Hell would be a special place.
He said therapy was a mistake and he wished he hadn’t gone. His behaviors worsened after marriage counseling. He said I was becoming his adversary and we we’re going to war! Fear the “GAME”. Get far away from them immediately if you can let go of everything. Save yourself.
I was married to someone narcissistic for 17 years - I have an autoimmune disease. 😩
I'm so sorry. I feel ya on the autoimmune disease. Grew up with narcissistic parents who even blamed my health issues on me!
Me too. Stress is so bad for it also.
His 1st wife, also came down with Graves disease right when she left him.
This is so good.
He used to tell me: I don’t mean to hurt anyone. I don’t do it to hurt…
He never took responsibility for his actions.
That’s what made me leave after 2 months. If there is no empathy, then it makes it easy for me to leave this manipulative creature ✌🏼
Thank you Dr Ramani it helps a lot love you thank you are a blessing ❤️❤️🙏🏽🙏🏽
Recently, I experienced a major fallout with my cousin. Despite my efforts to communicate calmly and understand her perspective, she repeatedly behaved in a hurtful and passive-aggressive manner, even going as far as insulting my family. This behavior was deeply hurtful and didn't reflect genuine care for our relationship. Looking back, I realize she's exhibited condescending behavior before, which I attributed to typical teenage behavior. However, upon reflection, I see she displays many traits of narcissistic behavior. The fallout occurred over text, which added another layer of complexity to the situation. After expressing my feelings, I made the decision to block her on socials. I find myself consumed by bitterness and hurt from the situation. I simply want to move on and put it behind me, as dwelling on it is negatively impacting my mental well-being. I felt like I didn't reply to her the way she did, and it's eating me up.
MINUTE 26: Hypermoralistic spot on with my family thank you for mentioning it!.
My narcissist stepmother made US go to family therapy, she ended up charming the therapist. Then, once she got the therapist into her pocket, she made us go to individual therapy and all of us my dad included just did not trust the therapist obviously. So, needless to say, it was a waste of time and money. Then my youngest brother who was her son, found another therapist to help him cope with depression and the guilt that he felt for wanting to go no contact with her mom, my stepmother was FURIOUS demanding to know who the new therapist was because she NEEDED to talk to her, and he refused to tell her. My little brother who was only 20yo was having suicidal thoughts and she only was worry about knowing the therapist 🙄
I hope your program that teaches psychologists about this is available in the San Diego area 😭 I feel I deal with this type of personality in different areas of my life
My covert narcissist x was all these traits you describe. Wish I knew sooner but glad to be done after 20 years.
15:44 ~ Are You Trying To Hurt Me? INTENTION vs BEHAVIOR
18:47 ~ How Do The Different Types of Narcissism Show Up in Couples Therapy?
* 19:13 The Grandiose Narcissist
* 21:13 The Covert (Vulnerable) Narcissist
* 23:06 The Malignant Narcissist (DV)
* 24:52 The Communal Narcissist
* 27:01 The Self Righteous Narcissist
* 29:34 The Superficial Narcissist
32:47 ~ Q: Narcissistic Wife?
36:22 ~ WARNING: Label vs Behavior
38:18 ~ Q: Charismatic Husband
43:14 ~ What Type of Therapy Do I Need?
46:14 ~ Q: Narcissistic Colleague
48:30 ~ How To Create a Narcissistic Adult
50:48 ~ Q: Screaming in Therapy Session
I was on my way out. Had an appointment with an attorney and had secured an apartment. He begged me to go to therapy. I decided to go ahead and do it so that I can say I tried everything.
Interesting what you said about the intentions of narcissists... I stayed with my ex-boyfriend (a vulnerable narcissist) for so long, 5 years, because I truly believed that he didn't mean to hurt me. He would literally say 'this was not my intention', but things/ bad behaviour would re-occur. I though he wasn't smart, and therefore he kept making the same mistakes. We went to couples therapy the final 6 months of our relationship. I realized that he wasn't going to therapy to work on our relationships issues, but his entire energy went to 'looking good towards the therapist'. Abusers spend all their energy on looking good and likeable to everyone, including their therapist! It's such a major gaslight, but it's what showed me his true nature! It took me months after I locked him out of my life before I actually realised he is a 'vulnerable narcissist' , but he said that 'those therapy sessions were abusive'!!! He wasn't able to convince her of his innocence, he wasn't able to gaslight the therapist, so it was abusive to him! I saw a meme somewhere that literally stated: "A narcissist sees disagreeing with them as abuse."!!!!
My favorite work is still cooking, cleaning, organizing, and creating. The only work I want to be performing right now is cooking, cleaning, organizing and creating.
All I ask is that you give a good thought that I'm well taken care of from now on. All I ask is you give a good wish that whomever can help me will help me respectfully. All I ask is that you wish that all people who should find me in society
Run across me, bump into me, etc. are always respectful of me.
Yes it was urgent Ramani
Those who are willing to address rationally and reasonably, are barred out and those who take extreme measure are favored and held up as leaders who receive a shelter and ability to provide for themselves.
In the end what you really wanted was not to be taken advantage of
No matter how you slice and dice.
Glad you got a deal, off the couch make upndone and re-branded your self. Mow i respect your view 😊
Yikes no way.. I wouldn’t waste my time or breath… or money to hit the couch with a narcissist.
Mentally prepare to resist the urge to smack the sad puppy look off their stupid heads. Therapist is on the ball. Pointed out hubby never says nice things about me. He's the one who overblows everything. Taking accountability is never going to happen.
I died just reading your first sentence 😂 it's true though
The money part about lending people money, who aren't family, operation or not.... That's a no for me.
Yupp! Yupp!
My BF and I went to therapy, and it ended with the therapist revealing a childhood wound for him, explaining a lot of defensive mechanisms he uses on me and him viewing of me as 'the enemy'. He cried, exposed his wounds, victimhood, expressed to the therapist that it was a good session, but THEN, when he came home after work he told me "The session made me realise why we fight, it is because you do not respect me saying no to you, why did you have to make me dig this up". Exploded, got angry, ignoring me, blamed me.
I text messaged the therapist and told her what happened after the session, was that a good thing to do?
Since it seems for now, he wants to go to another session. I do therapy for myself since 4 years back starting this relationship.
Yup, Waste of time.
Plan your exit strategy and move on.
Therapist(s) in my situation would hear us out and gravitate to my narc wife w probing questions indicating that she is the problem.
“Sara, no one can make you happy, only you can make you happy”
“Are you taking any HRT meds for menopause?”
“If you husband does this, will you be able to move past this?’
And sooo many more examples.
Never lets go of the past
Relitigate every conflict and holds on to resentment
Always the victim
If I am ok to move on from a conflict …. Watch out !!! We’re not ok unless she’s ok.
17 year marriage and cant wait to sign the divorce papers 🤛🏼🙌👍💪⚡️⚡️⚡️
Hi Dr Ramani...u are amazing..yr work is helping me to navigate my life and trying to get through this word called narcissist..i just wanted to know are sigma males similar to narcissist as my husband claims himself to be asigma male and i see many traits of it in him..plz enlighten..i am in this marriage for 28 years
What ive seen is that when you deal with the weaknesses of women in the work force, you get back on course. You are pioneering the women in the work force effort and you have made clear that the work is your passion. You love the work you do. Men are not going to step in to handle the weaknesses of women in the work force. We need to pioneer that effort.
When you go to physician you hear the somber news. I am sorry if the news is stinging, the sting goes away. Think about yourself and your health.
Personally i can't help but see that since so many females are in your circle, and we take control of your health, so many would be inspired to take control of their health.
Not only that, but with AI coming, encouraging women to continue into more peaceful and tranquil places, and getting back to simplicity more. Good for healing.
You cannot deny, good for healing.
At least you can say, to anybody who arrives, that nobody starved.
That why i encouraged you to offset with non profit supporting growth of food and healing CPTSD.
Did you check the mature and gentle VMs? Did your staff deliver my VMs
I didnt know this is a condition, but i need help. I always didnt know why my feelings in any relationship just disappeared, i hate being around people, social media too
All therapy does is help the narcissist's learning curve regarding manipulative behaviors.
I have heard schema therapy is the only way to manage narcissism, but with the caveat that most narcissists don't go to therapy. Therapists have a challenge cause they either piss off the narcissist or placate them. But I agree most forms of therapy are useless
For all of those people complaining about therapy with a narcissist, did you go to the right therapist? Someone who has experience with npd
We have to do court ordered joint/grp/individual co parenting therapy. plus he is ordered to do his own individual therapy at his cost. will he go or take contempt?
Yes my bio mom said there was money for college, but she also had a 250k life insurance policy on me and her son threatened to take my life.
Unsafe.
What to do if you're not sure yet if your partner is a narcistic person (they're not diagnosed, but you suspect they might be a narcist)
I'd really love to hear your take on Parental Alienation Syndrome. It's real and deadly! But rarely discussed. There are currently several predatory youtubers taking tens of thousands from desperate alienated parents. There are no guarantees. Some parents lose their kids forever. So many broken lives & suic*des.
Quietly making a small yet genuine, heartfelt difference, my idea was very good. She ignores, she rejects and dismisses. My idea was very good. Filling in the gaps. We didnt need you to loudly talk about poverty. You were needed in the way i approached you quietly about and you ignored.
Yet big shows of receiving gifts.
And then her saying, is it a little manipulative? If it gets them in the door, it may help. . . The excuse of all excuses. For why all of elder behave terribly and cannot overcome incompetency to make a tiny difference.
I made a list of all narc people in my life,it is very long.
I risked everything to offer to grow your non profit and get you the nutrition you need and get you back to feeling better than ever while not costing you.
So the least you can do is send your prayer, or youre good thoughts, your wishes, that i receive the right and respectful hand up.
Folx i went into wilderness for 5 days and im on my way back. Ramani if you wish to say goodbye, and have closure my phone has about 20% charge left
Because in the end, what you wanted was, not to be taken advantage of.
You probably would say that i didnt stage a rescue effort as well as the spouse of the guy who was in a cult. I worked with zero resources and i did a damn good job.
I'm not going to allow anybody to starve, Ramani.
what happens when a narcissist encounters a person who doesn't trust anyone including himself /herself???? any interesting insights??
The title of this podcast made me think of a patient that is seeing a narcissistic therapist! Lol 😂
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Just Don't do it you will pay exponentially. It's all your fault in their view.
Mission impossible.
Say goodbye Ramani, say your closure now, to the person who was listening to you.
Going to therapy with a narcissist is like wrestling a pig in mud. Eventually you realise the pig enjoys it.
No, thank you. I'm not interested in even being in relationship with a narcissist. Or continuing in one. He must be pretty insignificant in the big picture.
I cant go to europe i cant go to taiwan or scotland or nepal. Yes perhaps in those places there are more respectful people that truly understand that to live in a small sedan for several years is simply not a foundation to start from. That does not mean that in the states theres nobody who can give me the help i need. I saw that some are capable.
So send wish that if anybody finds me it is the right and respectful people.
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We don't need to. But being on the forefront of the study of mental health. . . Is it a little manipulative? Oh forget it then. Being manipulative is not helpful right? Because if you really need to see if you can actually heal first before you focus on the forefront of the industry, I understand now more
Why you said you're not seeing it. . .
Was it in the Cheryl Burke episode or the episode before Cheryl, you were discussing not seeing people go where you had hoped for them to go. You said you're not seeing it.
Don’t do it!!! I tried 2 times with him - one woman therapist and another time a man therapist (I stupidly thought a man might be better- stupid me.) Both were an unmitigated disaster. With the woman he was enraged after 10 minutes mins - then got up and shook her chair she was sitting in and leaning over her screaming and cursing at her. Then told me to get up we’re out of here. Then he drive like a maniac weaving in and out of traffic at high speed and through red lights. all the way home I thought we were going to die. Then with the man - pretty much the same thing -except the therapist got up when my H started waking over to him and both of them were pointing their fingers at each other and screaming and yelling and cursing at each other. This lasted less a few mins. Therapist told us to get out and find someone else. And again - crazed driving on the way home. And that was that. Never again. But I did and still have my own female therapist.
Wow😵 .... Are you still with him?
Those who handle rationally are not as cool as those who sacrifice their life for an extreme take.
Do you see grants? Funding?
My bio mom said the money was there. But if i leave the money for her, she doesnt even know if shes going to be able to take care of herself in her old age because the inflation.
If you were involved in drama inside your own organizations and couldn't help, send every good wish that i am protected, and the right and respectful people are sent to help me.
Remember when Ramani, you and yours looked to me, as a mirror to your Kelly? To benefit your Kelly?
Erika Kullburg video.
There is no internalizing Ramani's behaviors here.
All ladies who have any leads to any nonprofits that support females learning farming and healing while healing from CPTSD (i can tell you of nonprofits doing similar with animal therapy) please leave your leads here.
My bio mom said there was money for college, she future faked housing, and she said there was a retirement account. 😆 Not same as trust fund. And if she would make my studies impossible, i moved away as soon as i could and skipped college. I never, ever, ever expected her to follow through with retirement account. I see how that was an easy way for her to get caretaking in her later years.
But she could not imagine how not only she was using me as commodity. Almost all humans her age as well, as well as the gens right below her and then people like you who come to america as first gen and tap into the "resources". And also your american helpers who follow along and do as you do. There was no end in sight of being taken advantage of unless i actually started conducting my own research into the behaviors.
I just thought that us as a female gender - we are female, you are female, i am female, could really leave, for the female gender, a way to truly take care of the issues that arise for the female gender, the alarming health and wellness matters that have arrisen not only for minorities who were enslaved by captors, by career woman. And give the female gender hope, that not all is lost when you strike success. That your health and wellbeing don't need to be sacrificed to strike it successful.
Good-bye
You are now pioneering the women in the workforce effort. And you say you love your work and i know you love your work. I believe you that you are passionate about your work. It is alleged that someone else is involved in Ozempic.
Ramani yes or no: you would risk morbid obesity and diabetes, and your magic being stripped for whatever else at this moment in history her story is more important to you?
You already used me so 😆 shrug you dont want to undo what youve done to actually show up in your dragon boat for me.
Goodbye Ramani. I guess the Lord took you away from me because you were too good for me. I didnt hear you say goodbye.
Ramani yes or no: you would risk morbid obesity and diabetes, and your magic being stripped for whatever else at this moment in history her story is more important to you?
Because in the end, what you wanted was, not to be taken advantage of.