Revisiting Dora 9. Part 1.
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- Interview with Luftwaffe fighter pilot Erich Brunotte on the DCS Dora.
The interview was recorded in July 2014 when the pre-alpha version of DCS: Fw 190 D-9 Dora was being developed. This is one of the ways Eagle Dynamics gathers information about modeled aircraft, 30 min, Full HD.
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For a 91 years old man, he has a very good memory.
he is 96 now and still is walking on own foots and so on xD haha
Maybe unforgettable things?!
The story he told at the end about the field landing was really cool
At 28:23, he tells the story of his flight commander landing in his own village and his memories of it but then a somber face.... that is the face of a man that remembers the life and times of a man he once knew, had great times with and is now no longer with us. Great video..... great video
+gus bisbal I thought the same thing as he looked towards the camera at the end. So many good memories yet so many good friends lost on all sides.
+Tumbleweed He's a Nazi, you know... I suggest you give it a thought or two...
theeltea Really, you have a copy of his membership to the Nazi party have you? You know that he was part of if because of his beliefs do you? Do you realise that soldiers, airmen follow a mission, for us as much as them. They don't get to choose what they get to do and certainly they don't join because of political reasons... because hey I want to be a NAZI! They join because they like to fight or fly combat airplanes. Wake up tot he real world instead of objecting to the principles of a game you have never even been close to.
***** Gus, I am Russian and those guys liked to fight and fly combat airplanes against my grandfather. So please, don't tell me to wake up, alright? I am quite awake already. I have no objections about people admiring his memory and enjoying his account of flying the Dora, but I won't shed a tear and be sentimental about his comrades.
OO7999999999999999 First, you're in no position to tell me to stay away from anything.
Second, are you implying I should support those guys who are shedding tears for the poor nazi pilot and his friends?
I have no problems with him being a pilot but for fucks sake, don't have pity on him and burst into tears about his comrades. They were agressors and fought a war of genocide. He is a survivor. Fair enough and good for him.
But all these manly tears are PATHETIC and uncalled for. The guy himself wouldn't probably approve. He knew what he was doing.
His face at the end spoke volumes...more than the whole previous interview...
How wonderful to listen to this old soldier about his experiences in the War. So clear in his mind and with such a good memory after all these years. How many of us wouldn't be given the chance to speak to an old veteran about his memories Super interesting video. 👍👍👍👍
History is written by the winners.
Count thr shootdowns of the luftwaffe aces, nothing else will be ever seen once.
Respect
That last face showing the sorrow for people that left behind... touching
For a moment i forgot it was about DCS and saw it as a WWII airplane documentary. Tolles video!
Ich auch!
@@leifvejby8023 ;)
When he finished talking about his friend, that emotion in his face hit me right in the chest as I know that look having lost a few of my best friends in their 20s.
It reminded me also of my grandpa stealing a tank and picking my grandma up for a picnic date and driving the tank down our busiest street in our city. His comrade tried it but wass caught and spent some time in the brig.
Thank you for this video! Great to have him still been able to talk about those planes.
I think (i am german and did understand him) that he was not familiar with the cockpit cam shaking and the screen was too far away for him. he might be better with a oculus.
Vielen Dank und beste Grüße an Herrn Brunotte!
Phil Langer Thank you for this comment. I just understood from subs, that the dcs is broken and he cant fly dora, as he did in RL.
I wish this was not just an interview of this pilot trying to fly his Dora 9 as a video game, since it is probably totally alien to him, as he cannot feel being inside it, feeling the vibrations, and the feel of the plane when flying etc.
However, his stories were very interesting, but perhaps a better interviewer, with maybe videos representing the aircraft he flew, and his comments would have been much better.
But, still good hearing from this man and his stories, his seeing him reliving some of his memories.
Erich Brunotte: Fighter Ace with 33 confirmed kills.
That didn't make you an ace in Germany back then. You needed 50 confirmed aerial victories to be called an ace pilot. His record is still impressive, though.
@@svenschwingel8632 Incorrect sir. General standard to be an ace was five kills, this was derived from WW1. It was accepted as a rough standard to be referred to as an ace by most any pilot of any air force in WW2.
The only thing demanded more and more kills from German fighter pilots (like 50 kills) was the award of the Knights Cross, this became higher and higher as the war continued.
@@johnconran9327 wrong all wong, in germany there in no ace with 5 Kills, the kind of tell the good pilots fighterace/ fliegerass dont existent in germany that Time! Only in younger time we in germany take the allied chargon of fighterace in our language! In WW2 die the " fighterace" was called Experte/ expert , and you was an expert if you had 20 or more Kills! 5 Kills or 10 Kills 15 Kills mean Nothing in german fighter terms! No one say in german air force ohhh he had 5 or 10 Kills so he is an "figtherace"!
You simply was a normal pilot but After ca 20 or more Kills you was acceptet as an expert from the other "aces" experts! Ace is an allied thing , in germany it means nothing in relation with WW2!
Respekt und vielen Dank für ihren Einsatz .
"Where you go lading, I am landing with you!" Amazing man! Biggest respect!
Watching the two take off at the end following the conclusion of the interview gave me chills, especially with Erich's last comment as he was staring into the camera. Thank you for producing this!
Vielen Dank für diesen Beitrag. Da könnte man stundenlang zuhören
Jesus, i wish we had more interviews with surviving pilots from around the world, i would be especially interested in details from japanese aviators. Too bad most are lost to time.
If you see this, I know I'm answering years later- but you must check out "Japanese ace interviews - Honda Minoru" posted on -Juno- TakaLeon channel on here. It's a three part interview- amazing , gripping stuff. That man has an amazing story to tell. Also -Peninsula Srs Videos have some amazing lectures from American Mustang pilots, and other veterans. The one with Mustang ace Richard Candelaria is amazing. Just a little old man telling stories, but his descriptions of dogfights are more gripping than any movie could ever hope to be.
Lost to time... And Hellcats... And Corsairs.... And P-63s...
Lucky to be able to speak German and not need to subtitles, thanks for the upload. Love the 190 ingame, also cannot wait for a true dog-fighter like the F-5E :p
such stories are so valuable and should be heard more often while this is still possible
German is my mother tongue and to me it sounds like he is actually saying that the DCS Dora flies unrealistically.
H171001 Yo-Yo replied on ED fourms: "It was not an FM issue - the joystick was not loaded with springs at all and for the pilot it was something weird because of unwanted roll input during pulling."
Oh I see, well it's awesome that they were able to make changes due to suggestions from him. Must be weird indeed for him to fly it in such a different environment.
***** This is what the majority of pilots say about flight sims without force feedback. Pilots develop a muscle memory of how much force needs to be applied in order to get a certain aircraft behaviour. Flight simmers usually have a "positional" memory (they remember the position of the stick rather than how much force is needed). Flying on a 2D screen without FFB is kind of counter-intuitive for those who experienced the real thing. What Erich says makes a lot of sense.
Flying planes is a very physical experience, especially for fighter pilots. :)
+H171001 he also said that the dora had a better rate of turn than the 109. can this be true? because in EVERY single flight sim i played the FW turns very badly at mid to low speeds and tends to stall...
+H171001 he also said that the dora had a better rate of turn than the 109. can this be true? because in EVERY single flight sim i played the FW turns very badly at mid to low speeds and tends to stall...
Wow. I can speak german and I can surely tell that the guy interviewing Erich had absolutley NO patience AT ALL. He just wanted to get done with this.
Yes its terrible. The stories of Erich are amazingly deatiled ( much more than the subtitles let you guess ) and speaks for itself more than most history books I read. Great interview, sadly there is no part 2
Probably thr interviewer is a P 51 fanboy
@@hashteraksgage3281 Err what?
@@Red-Magic A joke
@@hashteraksgage3281 Ha.
Wunderschön !!! solchen alten Hasen (Herren) beim onlinefliegen zuzusehen. Hoffentlich nimmt man sich der Erfahrungen und Schilderrungen der leider immer weniger werdenden Veteranen an und setzt diese etwas besser in der SIM um.
Ich (WIR) wünschen uns alle noch mehr solcher Video´s !!! Oh mann meine Gänsehaut ist unbeschreiblich.
Vielen Dank und beste Grüße an Herrn Brunotte ! So Flieger grüßt mir die Sonne !
Where is part 2?
That was great, thanks for sharing.
Danke herr Brunotte.
This video is a treasure. Thank you for posting it for posterity. The fighter pilot in Erich was still there in his 90’s. The best and worst of times.
Fantastic video,a rare man our Erich.A real Dora driver.Not many of those buggers around after the war.
Great video, very interesting! I wish long life to Erich Brunotte.
Thanks for sharing. I could listen to these old fighter pilots for hours, Its rare to have them interviewed in such detail on the mechanics of flying. You can forgive the occasional memory slip like the Mustang nose wheel comment. Clearly he was not a fan if allied planes.
Well the German was a superior warrior in every way, and if not for Hitler and Goering shooting their own generals in the foot, England would have been taken by mid 41 after the fall of Gibralter and the royal(ly fracked) fleet cut off and slaughtered by wolf packs of Uboats in the Mediterranean. The Mustang was designed by a German ex-pat. interestingly enuff as well.
Thank you for sharing, really nothing like getting the feedback from a person who actually flew these wonderful aircrafts.
Wow, Vielen Dank Herr Brunotte! Supercooles Interview. Bitte den zweiten Teil, wenn möglich. Tipps und Tricks aus erster Hand. So muss es sein. Danke...
Great vid. He sounds like he is giving answers that his whole group would have given.
His answers were the answers of the practicalities of taking the simplest and most direct approach to safety, and overcoming the difficulties of take off and landing. Once you've got it worked out, to complicate your methods invites trouble.
It's different flying DCS because there isn't the same group dynamics in the learning process. Militaries must standardize procedures to get as many cadets and aircraft through training in one piece.
This looks like a very valuable historical source. Good questions too!
"Fly by manifold pressure" My Dad, (P-38, 44th FS, 13th AF) said the same thing
Except most of them flew by RPM
@@theeltea If you fly hundreds of hours, you fly by hearing. Except when you land.
@@0Turbox With a constant speed prop?
There should be more interviews like this. Great information, Great man. ;-)
I couldn’t wait to push that thumbs up for this!! Really puts one right there! They just flew them onto the runway! Thumbing nose at crosswind. The feel for it, seat of your pants, mostly on landing. They should make a movie of that. Oh God! Mom! Dad! Look! It’s Erik! And a friend landed with him! A momentary joining of hearts, and he’s gone again! I hope he survived and got home! Great people in tragic, but great times! Thanks! That is a 10 for videos!!
Wow. I have loved DCS since the first lomac, As a huge aviation fan as a youngster and later having a career as a military aircraft designer. Came to this video with interest about the games influence though got so much more out of it listening to this chap and his technical details and stories. Absolutely delightful to watch thanks.
Schön mal ne Deutsche Stimme auf diesem Kanal zu hören. Sehr interessante Geschichte. Brauchte ja keinen Untertitel. :D
And War Thunder still thinking that D9 was a flying brick!
True, in War Tunder the long nosed Fockes and Tas are shit
WarThunder is a shit kiddie game anyway
IL2 the same shit
War Thunder = Russian Bias at its best.
Chamäleon MUSTERMANN if you still think Russian bias is relevant in wt today, then you’re just dumb.
Has any effort been made to hook up Herr Brunotte with a VR rig and a force-feedback joystick?
Great to see that his memories of those flights will remain forever digitally and not be forgotten. Thank you for sharing his experiences with us. While you develop your accurate representation of an aircraft he flew. It must have been a bit overwhelming for him to have all those memories flooding back after all those long years have past. Remarkable human being to have survived such an event in history.
What a great story about landing near the village to greet his wingmans parents after the mission and not to tell anyone.
Interessant und spannend! Danke, Herr Brunotte!
Fascinating video! Amazing that the Dora can lock brakes and apply full power without a problem...
He still remembers well, nice to hear a real Dora pilot speaking so enthusiastically about it, one of my favorite German fighters of the time, beautiful machine.
As a former member of IMS, Iron Mule Squadron CFS2 it is amazing to hear former pilots critique flight models..
Mein Respekt vor Ihrer Leistung und Ihrem Mut, Herr Brunotte.
this interview is gold
A veteran telling ED that their model is inaccurate and they just disregard it! Very disappointing.
And yes I know what I'm talking about
The stick had absolutely no loading at all. No springs, absolutely.
Skip that’s it, affordable stocks with simulated force feedback will be part of he next big jump in realism! Too bad not much WWII veterans will be alive by that point...
Yeah, they should have changed it
"Where you go landing, I am landing with you!" respect
What a mountain of knowledge is this man.
Those kind of videos are always interesting! Them feels struck me a little when I saw his face after his story :/
We got few of people who like this old man left,they are the treasure of our world.
So here we are 70 years later; he's incredibly spry for a guy who must be nearly 90! I recall a JG54 Ace Hans-Ekkardt(sp? Bob would fly his own Fiesler Storch( or was it an ME108 Taifun Utility plane) to these air shows and he was also over 90.
Amazing!!!....know i want more of these interviewes about these details :(
Well you better get them quick.... they're dying like flies.
Danke fürs hochladen, sowas wird man nie in den Main-Median sehen.
Very nice video. I hope there's a part 2! :)
Brunotte flew in a fine aircraft to the interview !
Thank from a proud owner! It’s a pity this would temain our one and only flight together in the Maltese Falcon. Best regards
I'll be that old when you release DCS 2.0
Can we have mor Erich plx? :)
What an A W E S O M E video! I am not a native German speaker, but I understand enough to hear that quite a bit of the translation is left out, which is a shame. Still, great, super, awesome video! I hope he is interviewed more in the time he has left. Seems like a great source of knowledge for us geeks!
intermarer Hopefully someone will redub the translation so we hear everything ... for us non-german speakers anyway.
intermarer The translations are pretty much spot on.
H171001 Glad to hear it. I guess I was nitpicking a bit too much.
"Petroleum bohren" = "Oil drilling" = Spitze!
hermosas palabras de un Aviador eterno, de esos que no mueren, sólo siguen volando en la eternidad sin insignias en sus aviones
Excelent video!! Thank you
Good, hopefully these changes are made to reflect more realism.
Excellent docu/interview.
Most enlightening.
ED You could do this with someone who has been Sukhoy fighter pilot?
marco77acv I think that most SU planes (and you surely are talking about Su27) are still classified as they are 4G fighters that still are part of Russian armed forces.
I'd like to see that... but I doubt that would happen.
SoltyII a hawk pilot perhaps?
SoltyII Su-27 It is already a plane retired by the Russian military. Some time ago they were part of the group of russianknights stunts. For this reason there is nothing classified. Google it about russian knights. Thank you.
+Marco77acv DCS Brasil You are wrong on that account, the 27 isn't retired. The different airframe indexes such as 30 and others refer to the same airframe with upgraded avionics. They are still part of the Russian Knights aerobatics team. Also, Russia has a little bit stiffer policy on what's classified in the military. That's also partly why there is no fully clickable Flanker in DCS. No data to work with.
+theeltea Thank you for the explanation .
I would love to read a book written by him. He has so much to tell. This video is not enough for his descriptions of how D12 handles and his war stories.
Glad to see I'm not the only one who hates a wobbly stick in his flightsims. I never understood how people could fly with something like a CH Fighterstick. If I can't have decent FF, at least give me some (adjustable?) springs to get some sort of resistance in the stick. A stick that's completely limp, to me, is like driving an old-fashioned luxury car with way too much power-assistance in the steering. Gives you absolutely no idea what the wheels are doing and makes it very hard to figure out how much control input is needed in a given situation.
Thank you for this.
Beautiful watch he's wearing...was it his issue watch or a new model?
The Butcher Bird.
Fascinating, thank you very much for sharing this
Still sharp. Awesome guy!
24:15 hahaha....he called the 109 a "beast" .... thx that´s what i wanted to hear !
Absolutely fascinating!
A fan-tas-tic interview!
meine Ehrenbezeigung, Herr Burnotte!
Schließe mich an !
sehr interessanter Bericht speziell über den "Californischen Riesenslip"!!
No offence, but that's the problem with gamers and engineers developing flight simulation software. They're not pilots, and their "aircraft" do not handle like aircraft. A pilot gives an aircraft the control inputs it needs. The skills developed in games and simulations will teach procedures just fine, but will not develop or hone the skills necessary for flight. At 18:30, what's being discussed is feel, based on long experience. You'll never get that into your game.
where is part 2?!?!
Simp
Im not really sure what the meaning was with this video but it was exciting to hear his part of the story and they actually also made strong friendship bonds and so on :')
Why do I get the feels towards the end of this video. It's like watching Band of Brothers :(
+AppelsinDuck Because you forgot that WW2 took the lives of more than 61 million people... As much as I try to respect the guy... He was a Nazi... And well... You know...
Farking pleb if I've ever seen one. You think every German serviceman during WW2 was a Nazi?
well if u are from usa ur frist NASA director was from nazi party, an officer...look it up
Lt and your family was all scum bag commies that got killed because they started wars and fought like shit.
Sehr schön.
Beautiful post Eagle Dynamics. Is there Part II or III ? Do you have a current sim offering or what happened ?
love his watch !
die D9 wurde aber nach Drehzahl geflogfen , zumindest stand das so im Handbuch ! Aber wenn man jahrelang ne 109 nach ATA boost geflogen ist lernt man das nicht so schnell um ....macht auch nict viel aus.
More videos like this please. :)
Very nice testimony
Muchas gracias. Muy interesante, pues siendo un seguidor de la Luftwaffe, enamorado del Bf 109, del fw 190 en todos y cada una de las versiones , modelos y Rüstsatz, nada como las experiencias de un piloto que voló esas "bestias " míticas y fantásticas. Sorryr: Ich nicht speech Deutsche and very fed up to express myself in english..even when I do know english. ;) Arto de los anglosajones.
great video!
Very interesting, thanks a lot !
Very enjoyable, thanks!
Massive respect to all the warrior's of the Third Reich. You answered the call and defended your nation.
I have utmost respect for all axis pilots, especially those who protected women and children from allied firebombers
Well if that isn't an effed, misguided statement if I've ever heard one. Read some books idiot, learn some history, or continue stumbling along in your you're stupid social media based education system. Dumbass
@@threadworm437 You're just the fool
Herz erwärmend! Danke für dieses Tolle Video!
Yes! another DCS video, too bad i'll have to wait untill youtube encodes this in 1080p
Looks like we'll have a revised FM for the Dora? Right?
Luis Felipy The video had been recorded in July 2014 before DCS Dora was released. So, the current model matches Erich's comments.
Thanks for the info mate!
+Kelvin3531 Or does it?
Give the man an Oculus Rift headset and DCS 2.5
btw, where is part 2? :p
Dora turned better than 109? In every sim I've touched the Dora turns like the 7th fleet. Seems to me we haven't been told the full truth about the Dora.
Thanks for that.
I hope this guy lived long enough to try this out in VR…
The video is very nice. Too bad there are large chunks of interview with missing subtitles. If I spoke German I would redo the subtitles. They are far too incomplete.
Henrique Souza do it and send me a link please.thank's
Richtg spannend ! viele Dank !
I am still wondering which is better: K4 or Dora?
Depends on what fighting style you want to approach.
You wanna be the B&Z nightmare of DCS WW2 flyers? FW-190D9 is your answer.
For turning --> K4
If you think you will want to ground attack stuff from time to time.. FW-190A8 or D9
and so on
Thank You, Sir!