@@lzh4950 The Olympic Stadiun station worked perfectly well during the Sydney Olympics when trains were unloaded to platform on the opposite side to where the passengers were loaded from...no double decker platforms there.
@@lzh4950 nah, that sounds horrendous. To make double decker platform to work would require making the station much shorter, which makes for a very suffocating environment. If you increase the height of the train to allow the platforms to be taller, that would also add extra weight, which increases operational costs of the train, and all the infrastructures like the electric cable lines would be more expensive to build and maintain as well. The current Bankstown line stations is an open air station and most of the stations typically don't receive so much traffic that you need two levels of platforms to hold the passengers. It'll be extremely expensive to upgrade all the stations along the entire line to deal with double platforms. Such a concept would really only work for a very short underground loop that has very high throughput across the entire line, like maybe the inner city loop.
Can't believe people complaining about the metro.. its a service every 3-4 mins for peak. The current express takes longer and comes far less frequently. Just looked up tripview - from Epping trains are still every 4 mins to Tallawong as of 7:30pm. Trains are approx every 15 mins and running 6 mins late from Sydenham to Bankstown.
I can't either. Send them to West Melbourne where some suburbs have to rely on V/Line with 10 mins intervals in peak and some operated by old 1960's converted EMU carriages pulled by Locos from the 1980's.
Exactly. Pple should stop whinging and appreciate that you have a metro. Look at Liverpool, a major City Council and only 30km from CBD takes 60 mins to Town Hall…express. Parramatta is 24km from CBD and only takes 29 mins with a train every 2-4 mins during peak. I know it’s Sydney’s second CBD but Liverpool is Sydney’s third CBD so should have a decent express train and more frequent services. The southwest metro should have been all the way to Liverpool now, not in the future (if it doesn’t get scrapped)
@@billeves4627 an airport that doesn’t have a metro to its own City Council! People from Liverpool still work in the Sydney CBD, so we still need efficient trains/metro (if given to us). Campbelltown is 53kms from the CBD but has express trains that only take 60 mins. So a town that’s 23kms further away takes the same amount of time to get to the city, that’s how bad it is for the people of Liverpool.
Sydney Metro is just a new name for an improved train service. It’s the same mode of transport after all. But politicians want us to think they are bringing in a new form of revolutionary transportation into Sydney when they are just incapable of upgrading the entire train system to a modern standard.
Hey Sharath, Can you explain why those at Yagoona and Birrong who are loosing their direct service to the CBD will benefit better with Metro southwest and the new T6 Lidcombe to Bankstown shuttle over the current T3 services.
They won't really (unless you consider a better city wide rail network a benefit). Two stations are worse off, but the 150+ other stations in the city are much better off. It's a necessary trade off.
@@therealGLAD fair and those two stations get pretty low ridership anyways. I think the shuttle is only temporary until a more Permanent solution such as Light Rail happens. I was thinking one benefit could be less delays.because the train doesn't get held up further back down the track, but idk
To be fair, this is the same thing the Hornsby-Cheltenham via MQ Park/Chatswood faced (what was then T1 and now T9) who lost their direct connection and now need to change at Epping. There's rarely a solution that offers a win for everyone, but broadly speaking the benefit far outweighs the loss.
Unfortunately not everyone can benefit from any change.. but system wide this is a massive net benefit for a lot of people. - quicker and higher frequency service for those on T3, particularly for those on the skipped stations - untangles city circle meaning more services on other lines
Somewhere between my first and second tour of the Sydney Metro City stations, and realising the truth of the Bankstown service speed, I decided that the Sydney Metro isn't the poor cousin of Sydney Trains, but the other way around. And now the map needs TOTAL changing - the T1 should wiggle around the M1, not vice versa. And capacity? The M1 should be the fat thick line, not the T1/T9 and City Circle.
There will be delays during peak as they doors won’t close while people keep going in/out and since they stop at every station, the delays will be multiplied
Yes, No Express. North West & Bankstown Metro Line will be all stops around 80mins in total, similar to Central to Gosford Express. Central to Helensburgh is less than that.
Single deck trains have shorter dwell times, much faster acceleration and braking. It's on dedicated tracks. It's been proven that double decker trains don't provide any advantage. You only get 33% more passengers and the gap between trains goes from 3 minutes to 2 minutes. That's makes a big difference.
That depends where, and how. In Paris, they manage to have both high frequency, high acceleration, and double decker high capacity with trains carrying well over 3000 passengers. But they have many huge doors and autopilot with extremely low separation. And they better have it to move 1.5 million people per day on just one line like on RER A. One thing they've done recently is to enlarge the platform inside the train at door level, and this enlarged space acts as a buffer to speed up passenger transfers (in open gangway design). Plus the trains have to be capable of fully clearing a 225 to 250 meter platform in under 23 seconds from door closed, and the system allows the next train to enter the station while the previous one hasn't even cleared the platform yet. But at the same time, they push their fully automated metro lines to 85-second frequency during rush, so passengers are "trained" to be quick as the dwell time is a matter of seconds. Of the 5 RER lines in Paris (the regional express heavy metro), only one still runs single decker trains and will soon be upgraded to a new double-decker type. Because it works the way they do it and the single decker trains are overcrowded and no longer do the job. The French are quite in love with double-decker trains, even their high-speed ones have two levels, and the new TGV M type entering service next year will be able to carry up to 1480 passengers in dual consists.
@@berenscott8999 RER lines A, C, D and E (the regional express heavy metro that inspired London's Crossrail aka Elizabeth line). And many Transilien lines. Using trains like the MI2N, MI09, RER NG, etc. Of 5 lines, 4 use double deckers, and line B will follow soon with the MI20 train type. They are huge, some with up to 3 two-meter doors per side per carriage (MI2N and MI09). You may be thinking of the conventional metro that is single decker. But the regional express heavy metro is overwhelmingly double decker.
@@KyrilPG It's really difficult to compare the Sydney trains to the Paris RER. A few things to consider, Sydney trains are wider, at 3 meters, compared to 2.83. The 4 carriage sets differ in length, Sydney is around 80m compared to 100m Paris RER. I think you'll find that Paris trains have a higher speed and a higher acceleration. Dwell times seem to be similar. But maybe because Paris has a metro, the RER trains are used for more long distance travel? Regardless, we go back to the point, single deck trains are faster, and the double deck only gives you 33% extra passengers. With single deck, you can have more doors, you can run seating down the side walls giving more standing space. You can space single deck trains closer together on the network. My points aren't wrong. I think we really reach a point where a rail network either has to go Metro, or go heavy. It's one or the other. And Sydney went the wrong direction, but it's okay, because back then heavy was the only way. The funny thing is Melbourne having broad gauge went the metro direction even though those tracks could have easily allowed for some seriously heavy operation.
@@berenscott8999 They mostly are around 2.9 to 3 meter wide, too. They use mainline train loading gauge. Mi09 is 2.9m wide, RER NG aka Z 5800 is 2.996m, which is only 4 millimeters short of 3m. So basically, it's 3 meters wide. 🤣 It's the older single decker trains that are 2.8m wide (like the MI79 & MI84). RER trains are overwhelmingly used in 225 meter long double consists. Except for RER D, which goes up to 260 meters long. Yes, the RER trains usually have a higher speed and strong acceleration capabilities. They must be able to clear a 225 meter long platform in under 23 seconds from doors closed. Recent RER types have wide doors of at least 2 meters, plus a large internal buffer zone. The latest type, RER NG aka Z 58000, uses longitudinal seating on one side of the lower deck with fold-up seats, a large corridor, and a transversal 3-seat block on the other side. They've conceived this train to have 3 main travel areas : On the open gangway platforms at door height, mostly standing plus some longitudinal seats, for shorter journeys. On the lower deck standing or seated for mid distance journeys. On the upper deck, seated for longer journeys. The end cars are single deck and mostly aimed at people with reduced mobility, strollers, etc. Dwell times can be pretty short during rush hour, but they are longer than the metro which can be frighteningly short. Though some RER trains carry well over 3600 passengers, and no conventional metro train can even remotely approach such capacity. The 120m long MP14 train in 8-car formation used on the fully automated M14 line is the longest metro train in Paris, and "only" carries a little over 1000 passengers. This line operates at 85-second frequency during rush. The separation between trains isn't different between single decker and double decker trains. Double decker RER trains are pretty light in weight compared to their passenger capacity. On RER A trains can follow each other with only a few dozen meters of separation between them in stations. The system allows the next train to enter the station while the previous one hasn't even cleared the platform yet. With powerful trains and modern systems, you can combine heavy and metro like it's done in Paris. In Paris they need extremely high capacity ; and single decker trains wouldn't be enough, that's why all RER lines will have double decker trains in a couple years. They are using CBTC autopilot systems on double deckers for this, with lines exceeding 60 000 passengers per hour per track. It's the systems that define train spacing. They've found that the doors' increased width combined with interior buffer zones have more positive effect on passenger exchanges than the number of doors. The MI2N and MI09 trains used on RER A have 30 doors per side on 225 meter long formations.
You fail to mention that the scheduling is greatly assisted by the corralling screens on the platforms and that each stop is very limited in the same manner the Paris Metro works.
To shut a popular & busy existing Line for a year is simply UNACCEPTABLE & stupid! Traffic jam will spread far further than Bankstown to Sydenham so roads will become gridlock & new Metro will have less than 1/5 seats of the current double deck train.
Probably not, because the high frequency of the line and the fact that there are no extra tracks for overtaking mean that express trains will barely save any time over all-stops trains.
Unless they build NYC style 3 or 4 track lines. Which is honestly unnecessary since there' already a high frequency regional rail system which can serve this function. There' gonna have to be lower frequency order to run express trains, which will negate the point of turning this line into a metro, and likely provide a worse service since your running regional style service without the amenities or double deckered capacity better for lower frequency services.
@@exploringsydneysrailways I think Santiago does skip stops during peak hour so for example your station is labelled either A, B or common. Every second smaller station is skipped and if you want to go to the next station you have to travel a bit further and then travel back. Similar to how if you want to go from Flemington to Homebush
Dose not account for self entitled people holding doors and congested boarding problems, people are absolutely hopeless when it comes to catching trains, everyone wants to stand at the doors not letting others on or off, no one wants to spread evenly along platforms, I could list other dramas too 🤷🏾♂️
@@darkillusionists2595oh, what joy. I'd much rather sit for 33 or 38 minutes than stand for 30, and I'm pretty sure a great deal of Sydneysiders will feel the same way.
@@misssummersalt And I'm pretty sure a great deal of Sydneysiders can tolerate the standing for a faster travel time. Plus there is a higher frequency so I doubt there would be an issue with lack seats.
@@misssummersalt Repeat after me: more standing room means more overall capacity. Which means more people are able to use the metro. No matter how you spin it, that’s a massive benefit. If you don’t like it, tough shit.
Double decker trains are heavy, take longer to accelerate, take longer to decelerate. Platform screen doors allow the train to enter and exit the station much faster. Also probably signalling upgrades but someone else can give details there
Young fella! Time you started to make a distinction between change, re-development, & retrofitting, which can all be desirable AND growth, which never is. There are enough of us already and we are collectively consuming more than we should. Your interest in improvement is admirable. Your support for GROWTH is not. Improvement IMPROVES. Growth destroys and diminishes. Time to do some environmental HW!
If you're on a smaller station you actually get double the seating capacity 4 trains an hour with marginally more seats or 15 per hour. (Any station that's not Bankstown Lakemba Campsie Marrickville you get more seats) The express stations lose a bit of seating. But not much. If more seating is required it can be upped to 30 tph which is a metro every 2 mins which would actually double the seating capacity of even the larger stations (Bankstown, Lakemba, Campsie and Marrickville) Keep in mind even during peak hour trains aren't too efficient. How many people actually want to sit in the middle seat for example, I've seen many that would rather stand.
Found a post on Reddit with the calculations. Current seating capacity for stations that are not Bankstown, Lakemba, Campsie and Marrickville are 4 trains at 880 seats per train = 3520 New capacity of a 6 car metro for those stations (15 metros per hour at 378 = 5060) Bankstown, Lakemba, Campsie, Marrickville get 8trains at 880 per train = 7040 seats per hour. So loss of 2000 seats per hour for the main stations and a gain of 2000 for the smaller stations. But the metro can be upgraded to 8 car sets at 30 per hour. So potential capacity is 508 seats X 30 = 15240 which is double the maximum by the train network. Also there isn't capacity to increase services on the Bankstown line as a train so 7040 is the maximum you'll ever get if you're sticking with trains
Imagine the metro not stopping at these stations like the express trains now
10 mins to the city
Then you won't get the 4 minute frequencies.
The results would be diminished as the metro has fast acceleration anyway, not used while speeding past stations.
@@timtam53191 sure like they promised for the lightrail
Can't express on high frequency lines.
Also will load and unload way quicker, because you don't have to deal with confused commuters who don't know how to use stairs
The ideal scenario is to have double-decker platfoms, like 1 of the concepts I saw from Japan
@@lzh4950 The Olympic Stadiun station worked perfectly well during the Sydney Olympics when trains were unloaded to platform on the opposite side to where the passengers were loaded from...no double decker platforms there.
@@lzh4950 nah, that sounds horrendous. To make double decker platform to work would require making the station much shorter, which makes for a very suffocating environment. If you increase the height of the train to allow the platforms to be taller, that would also add extra weight, which increases operational costs of the train, and all the infrastructures like the electric cable lines would be more expensive to build and maintain as well.
The current Bankstown line stations is an open air station and most of the stations typically don't receive so much traffic that you need two levels of platforms to hold the passengers. It'll be extremely expensive to upgrade all the stations along the entire line to deal with double platforms.
Such a concept would really only work for a very short underground loop that has very high throughput across the entire line, like maybe the inner city loop.
Can't believe people complaining about the metro.. its a service every 3-4 mins for peak. The current express takes longer and comes far less frequently.
Just looked up tripview - from Epping trains are still every 4 mins to Tallawong as of 7:30pm. Trains are approx every 15 mins and running 6 mins late from Sydenham to Bankstown.
except it goes all the way to Liverpool. Metro stops at Bankstown and isn't going any further.
I can't either. Send them to West Melbourne where some suburbs have to rely on V/Line with 10 mins intervals in peak and some operated by old 1960's converted EMU carriages pulled by Locos from the 1980's.
The metro is a scam. Corrupt Property developers riding on the coat tails of it
If you told these same people that the express service was going to run all day every week they'd be ecstatic
Exactly. Pple should stop whinging and appreciate that you have a metro. Look at Liverpool, a major City Council and only 30km from CBD takes 60 mins to Town Hall…express. Parramatta is 24km from CBD and only takes 29 mins with a train every 2-4 mins during peak. I know it’s Sydney’s second CBD but Liverpool is Sydney’s third CBD so should have a decent express train and more frequent services. The southwest metro should have been all the way to Liverpool now, not in the future (if it doesn’t get scrapped)
Gotta agree with this. I live at Edmonson Park now and I'm starting to understand...
But youse are getting your own airport.
@@billeves4627 an airport that doesn’t have a metro to its own City Council! People from Liverpool still work in the Sydney CBD, so we still need efficient trains/metro (if given to us). Campbelltown is 53kms from the CBD but has express trains that only take 60 mins. So a town that’s 23kms further away takes the same amount of time to get to the city, that’s how bad it is for the people of Liverpool.
And they should of used the rest of the T3 alignment for it and then turn Lidcombe to Sefton into a shuttle train.
Nah mate Chatswood is Sydney’s third CBD. Liverpool is like Sydney’s fourth.
Sydney Metro is just a new name for an improved train service. It’s the same mode of transport after all. But politicians want us to think they are bringing in a new form of revolutionary transportation into Sydney when they are just incapable of upgrading the entire train system to a modern standard.
Please keep us updated about the developments related to this line 👍
The metro time to Central is actually the same time as the old RailCorp all stops train timetable from 2003...
Now if Sydney Metrorail built the line with 3 or 4 tracks to provide express services to and through downtown Sydney!
Hey Sharath, Can you explain why those at Yagoona and Birrong who are loosing their direct service to the CBD will benefit better with Metro southwest and the new T6 Lidcombe to Bankstown shuttle over the current T3 services.
I second this! Being a Yagoonan must feel like being screwed right about now.
They won't really (unless you consider a better city wide rail network a benefit).
Two stations are worse off, but the 150+ other stations in the city are much better off. It's a necessary trade off.
@@therealGLAD fair and those two stations get pretty low ridership anyways. I think the shuttle is only temporary until a more Permanent solution such as Light Rail happens. I was thinking one benefit could be less delays.because the train doesn't get held up further back down the track, but idk
To be fair, this is the same thing the Hornsby-Cheltenham via MQ Park/Chatswood faced (what was then T1 and now T9) who lost their direct connection and now need to change at Epping.
There's rarely a solution that offers a win for everyone, but broadly speaking the benefit far outweighs the loss.
Unfortunately not everyone can benefit from any change.. but system wide this is a massive net benefit for a lot of people.
- quicker and higher frequency service for those on T3, particularly for those on the skipped stations
- untangles city circle meaning more services on other lines
There will be less seats for commuters, but more frequent services and shorter trip time, better connectivity with other parts of Sydney
Somewhere between my first and second tour of the Sydney Metro City stations, and realising the truth of the Bankstown service speed, I decided that the Sydney Metro isn't the poor cousin of Sydney Trains, but the other way around. And now the map needs TOTAL changing - the T1 should wiggle around the M1, not vice versa. And capacity? The M1 should be the fat thick line, not the T1/T9 and City Circle.
There will be delays during peak as they doors won’t close while people keep going in/out and since they stop at every station, the delays will be multiplied
No way, a42!!
Ah yes because saving 3 minutes is really worth the billions they’ve spent.
Yes, No Express. North West & Bankstown Metro Line will be all stops around 80mins in total, similar to Central to Gosford Express. Central to Helensburgh is less than that.
I wish they would extend the Yellow line to Mt. Vernon. As well as have a stop in between Pentagon and Smithsonian for the Jefferson Memorial.
Single deck trains have shorter dwell times, much faster acceleration and braking. It's on dedicated tracks. It's been proven that double decker trains don't provide any advantage. You only get 33% more passengers and the gap between trains goes from 3 minutes to 2 minutes. That's makes a big difference.
That depends where, and how.
In Paris, they manage to have both high frequency, high acceleration, and double decker high capacity with trains carrying well over 3000 passengers.
But they have many huge doors and autopilot with extremely low separation.
And they better have it to move 1.5 million people per day on just one line like on RER A.
One thing they've done recently is to enlarge the platform inside the train at door level, and this enlarged space acts as a buffer to speed up passenger transfers (in open gangway design).
Plus the trains have to be capable of fully clearing a 225 to 250 meter platform in under 23 seconds from door closed, and the system allows the next train to enter the station while the previous one hasn't even cleared the platform yet.
But at the same time, they push their fully automated metro lines to 85-second frequency during rush, so passengers are "trained" to be quick as the dwell time is a matter of seconds.
Of the 5 RER lines in Paris (the regional express heavy metro), only one still runs single decker trains and will soon be upgraded to a new double-decker type. Because it works the way they do it and the single decker trains are overcrowded and no longer do the job.
The French are quite in love with double-decker trains, even their high-speed ones have two levels, and the new TGV M type entering service next year will be able to carry up to 1480 passengers in dual consists.
@@KyrilPG Hang on, which trains in Paris are double deck? I'm seeing nothing but single deck?
@@berenscott8999 RER lines A, C, D and E (the regional express heavy metro that inspired London's Crossrail aka Elizabeth line). And many Transilien lines.
Using trains like the MI2N, MI09, RER NG, etc.
Of 5 lines, 4 use double deckers, and line B will follow soon with the MI20 train type.
They are huge, some with up to 3 two-meter doors per side per carriage (MI2N and MI09).
You may be thinking of the conventional metro that is single decker.
But the regional express heavy metro is overwhelmingly double decker.
@@KyrilPG It's really difficult to compare the Sydney trains to the Paris RER. A few things to consider, Sydney trains are wider, at 3 meters, compared to 2.83. The 4 carriage sets differ in length, Sydney is around 80m compared to 100m Paris RER. I think you'll find that Paris trains have a higher speed and a higher acceleration. Dwell times seem to be similar. But maybe because Paris has a metro, the RER trains are used for more long distance travel?
Regardless, we go back to the point, single deck trains are faster, and the double deck only gives you 33% extra passengers. With single deck, you can have more doors, you can run seating down the side walls giving more standing space. You can space single deck trains closer together on the network. My points aren't wrong.
I think we really reach a point where a rail network either has to go Metro, or go heavy. It's one or the other. And Sydney went the wrong direction, but it's okay, because back then heavy was the only way. The funny thing is Melbourne having broad gauge went the metro direction even though those tracks could have easily allowed for some seriously heavy operation.
@@berenscott8999 They mostly are around 2.9 to 3 meter wide, too. They use mainline train loading gauge.
Mi09 is 2.9m wide, RER NG aka Z 5800 is 2.996m, which is only 4 millimeters short of 3m. So basically, it's 3 meters wide. 🤣
It's the older single decker trains that are 2.8m wide (like the MI79 & MI84).
RER trains are overwhelmingly used in 225 meter long double consists. Except for RER D, which goes up to 260 meters long.
Yes, the RER trains usually have a higher speed and strong acceleration capabilities. They must be able to clear a 225 meter long platform in under 23 seconds from doors closed.
Recent RER types have wide doors of at least 2 meters, plus a large internal buffer zone.
The latest type, RER NG aka Z 58000, uses longitudinal seating on one side of the lower deck with fold-up seats, a large corridor, and a transversal 3-seat block on the other side.
They've conceived this train to have 3 main travel areas :
On the open gangway platforms at door height, mostly standing plus some longitudinal seats, for shorter journeys.
On the lower deck standing or seated for mid distance journeys.
On the upper deck, seated for longer journeys.
The end cars are single deck and mostly aimed at people with reduced mobility, strollers, etc.
Dwell times can be pretty short during rush hour, but they are longer than the metro which can be frighteningly short.
Though some RER trains carry well over 3600 passengers, and no conventional metro train can even remotely approach such capacity. The 120m long MP14 train in 8-car formation used on the fully automated M14 line is the longest metro train in Paris, and "only" carries a little over 1000 passengers. This line operates at 85-second frequency during rush.
The separation between trains isn't different between single decker and double decker trains. Double decker RER trains are pretty light in weight compared to their passenger capacity.
On RER A trains can follow each other with only a few dozen meters of separation between them in stations.
The system allows the next train to enter the station while the previous one hasn't even cleared the platform yet.
With powerful trains and modern systems, you can combine heavy and metro like it's done in Paris.
In Paris they need extremely high capacity ; and single decker trains wouldn't be enough, that's why all RER lines will have double decker trains in a couple years.
They are using CBTC autopilot systems on double deckers for this, with lines exceeding 60 000 passengers per hour per track.
It's the systems that define train spacing.
They've found that the doors' increased width combined with interior buffer zones have more positive effect on passenger exchanges than the number of doors.
The MI2N and MI09 trains used on RER A have 30 doors per side on 225 meter long formations.
the bankstown line should be extended to darnick via minadibba and lysaghts 😂😂😂
REAL! we need services every 4 minutes to darnick and we need them NOW!
Yes!
But what about beyond Bankstown?
You will transfer and like it
Who lives out there?
you're clearly not familiar with Western Sydney because plenty of people live behind Bankstown. @@strikerbowls791
@@carisi2k11
At least 2 small Stations are on chopping board. Birrong & Yagoona may have no more train after Metro being built to Bankstown.
Issue with faster acceleration, quicker stopping and more stops is passengers getting motion sickness.
You fail to mention that the scheduling is greatly assisted by the corralling screens on the platforms and that each stop is very limited in the same manner the Paris Metro works.
To shut a popular & busy existing Line for a year is simply UNACCEPTABLE & stupid! Traffic jam will spread far further than Bankstown to Sydenham so roads will become gridlock & new Metro will have less than 1/5 seats of the current double deck train.
I think the point of express is 1. Faster, and 2. Have more free seats. Now with metro only 1 is satisfied 😂
I wonder cam sydney ever get express metro's like express services on the metro
Probably not, because the high frequency of the line and the fact that there are no extra tracks for overtaking mean that express trains will barely save any time over all-stops trains.
Unless they build NYC style 3 or 4 track lines. Which is honestly unnecessary since there' already a high frequency regional rail system which can serve this function.
There' gonna have to be lower frequency order to run express trains, which will negate the point of turning this line into a metro, and likely provide a worse service since your running regional style service without the amenities or double deckered capacity better for lower frequency services.
@@exploringsydneysrailways I think Santiago does skip stops during peak hour so for example your station is labelled either A, B or common. Every second smaller station is skipped and if you want to go to the next station you have to travel a bit further and then travel back. Similar to how if you want to go from Flemington to Homebush
HOW IS A LOCAL METRO FASTER THAN THE EXPRESS????!!!!! Damn I wonder if they should do that on the T4??!!!
Let’s hope those high school kids don’t hold up the doors during the afternoon rush and delay the trains.
The original express service is only 5 minutes faster than the all stops train, so it's not that big of a deal to lose it no?
Catching an express (on a different line) makes me feel superior when the train speeds past a lower tier station
I live in Bankstown
rip lol
Dose not account for self entitled people holding doors and congested boarding problems, people are absolutely hopeless when it comes to catching trains, everyone wants to stand at the doors not letting others on or off, no one wants to spread evenly along platforms, I could list other dramas too 🤷🏾♂️
RIP Erskineville 😂
T8 will service Erskineville
And the T4 will serve erskineville from the 2025 timetable change onwards
So they're replacing your trains with trains, but not calling them trains.
@@kwakka61 well yeah you replace trains with faster trains. What did you expect, them to be replaced with fucking Jetsons type flying saucers?
@@mapletreegames9053 So, you're too thick to even understand one sentence. Point proven.
Sure and the light rail will every 4 minutes... Never
Well that's one point... but the lack of seats is harder to argue away.
There is way more place to stand tho
@@darkillusionists2595oh, what joy. I'd much rather sit for 33 or 38 minutes than stand for 30, and I'm pretty sure a great deal of Sydneysiders will feel the same way.
@@misssummersalt And I'm pretty sure a great deal of Sydneysiders can tolerate the standing for a faster travel time. Plus there is a higher frequency so I doubt there would be an issue with lack seats.
@@misssummersalt
Repeat after me: more standing room means more overall capacity. Which means more people are able to use the metro. No matter how you spin it, that’s a massive benefit. If you don’t like it, tough shit.
@@misssummersalt If you're getting on a Bankstown, you definitely will get a seat?? You're literally the first station.
A42🙁
He's got that no closet can hold can hold him voice.
You lost me at TikTok
How come it's faster?
watch the vid mate
Double decker trains are heavy, take longer to accelerate, take longer to decelerate.
Platform screen doors allow the train to enter and exit the station much faster.
Also probably signalling upgrades but someone else can give details there
@@matttaylor9110yeah and metro goes a lot faster than overground trains
@@matttaylor9110 don't forget transfer of passengers should be much faster as well
People are dumb. Just watch the video
Young fella!
Time you started to make a distinction between change, re-development, & retrofitting, which can all be desirable AND growth, which never is.
There are enough of us already and we are collectively consuming more than we should.
Your interest in improvement is admirable. Your support for GROWTH is not.
Improvement IMPROVES. Growth destroys and diminishes.
Time to do some environmental HW!
So we can expect to be forced to stand for only 30 minutes compared to having a better chance to sit down for 33 or 38 minutes? Wowee...
If you're on a smaller station you actually get double the seating capacity 4 trains an hour with marginally more seats or 15 per hour. (Any station that's not Bankstown Lakemba Campsie Marrickville you get more seats)
The express stations lose a bit of seating. But not much. If more seating is required it can be upped to 30 tph which is a metro every 2 mins which would actually double the seating capacity of even the larger stations (Bankstown, Lakemba, Campsie and Marrickville)
Keep in mind even during peak hour trains aren't too efficient. How many people actually want to sit in the middle seat for example, I've seen many that would rather stand.
Found a post on Reddit with the calculations. Current seating capacity for stations that are not Bankstown, Lakemba, Campsie and Marrickville are 4 trains at 880 seats per train = 3520
New capacity of a 6 car metro for those stations (15 metros per hour at 378 = 5060)
Bankstown, Lakemba, Campsie, Marrickville get 8trains at 880 per train = 7040 seats per hour.
So loss of 2000 seats per hour for the main stations and a gain of 2000 for the smaller stations.
But the metro can be upgraded to 8 car sets at 30 per hour.
So potential capacity is 508 seats X 30 = 15240 which is double the maximum by the train network.
Also there isn't capacity to increase services on the Bankstown line as a train so 7040 is the maximum you'll ever get if you're sticking with trains
ur not gonna get seats on a peak hour double decker anyway...