Um actually, the new Bankstown Metro is BETTER than the express T3!

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  • čas přidán 5. 09. 2024

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  • @eastsideclub1
    @eastsideclub1 Před 4 měsíci +144

    Imagine the metro not stopping at these stations like the express trains now

    • @bbjislegend2606
      @bbjislegend2606 Před 4 měsíci +8

      10 mins to the city

    • @timtam53191
      @timtam53191 Před 4 měsíci +28

      Then you won't get the 4 minute frequencies.

    • @itechcircle9410
      @itechcircle9410 Před 4 měsíci +14

      The results would be diminished as the metro has fast acceleration anyway, not used while speeding past stations.

    • @ozwunder69
      @ozwunder69 Před 4 měsíci

      ​@@timtam53191 sure like they promised for the lightrail

    • @mark123655
      @mark123655 Před 4 měsíci +2

      Can't express on high frequency lines.

  • @Secretlyanothername
    @Secretlyanothername Před 4 měsíci +86

    Also will load and unload way quicker, because you don't have to deal with confused commuters who don't know how to use stairs

    • @lzh4950
      @lzh4950 Před 3 měsíci +2

      The ideal scenario is to have double-decker platfoms, like 1 of the concepts I saw from Japan

    • @flamingfrancis
      @flamingfrancis Před 3 měsíci +4

      @@lzh4950 The Olympic Stadiun station worked perfectly well during the Sydney Olympics when trains were unloaded to platform on the opposite side to where the passengers were loaded from...no double decker platforms there.

    • @yvrelna
      @yvrelna Před měsícem

      ​​@@lzh4950 nah, that sounds horrendous. To make double decker platform to work would require making the station much shorter, which makes for a very suffocating environment. If you increase the height of the train to allow the platforms to be taller, that would also add extra weight, which increases operational costs of the train, and all the infrastructures like the electric cable lines would be more expensive to build and maintain as well.
      The current Bankstown line stations is an open air station and most of the stations typically don't receive so much traffic that you need two levels of platforms to hold the passengers. It'll be extremely expensive to upgrade all the stations along the entire line to deal with double platforms.
      Such a concept would really only work for a very short underground loop that has very high throughput across the entire line, like maybe the inner city loop.

  • @mapletreegames9053
    @mapletreegames9053 Před 4 měsíci +66

    Can't believe people complaining about the metro.. its a service every 3-4 mins for peak. The current express takes longer and comes far less frequently.
    Just looked up tripview - from Epping trains are still every 4 mins to Tallawong as of 7:30pm. Trains are approx every 15 mins and running 6 mins late from Sydenham to Bankstown.

    • @carisi2k11
      @carisi2k11 Před 4 měsíci +3

      except it goes all the way to Liverpool. Metro stops at Bankstown and isn't going any further.

    • @mjcats2011
      @mjcats2011 Před 4 měsíci +2

      I can't either. Send them to West Melbourne where some suburbs have to rely on V/Line with 10 mins intervals in peak and some operated by old 1960's converted EMU carriages pulled by Locos from the 1980's.

    • @Aaron-uf3sl
      @Aaron-uf3sl Před 3 měsíci

      The metro is a scam. Corrupt Property developers riding on the coat tails of it

    • @nichobee
      @nichobee Před 13 dny

      If you told these same people that the express service was going to run all day every week they'd be ecstatic

  • @decepticons_destroy
    @decepticons_destroy Před 4 měsíci +79

    Exactly. Pple should stop whinging and appreciate that you have a metro. Look at Liverpool, a major City Council and only 30km from CBD takes 60 mins to Town Hall…express. Parramatta is 24km from CBD and only takes 29 mins with a train every 2-4 mins during peak. I know it’s Sydney’s second CBD but Liverpool is Sydney’s third CBD so should have a decent express train and more frequent services. The southwest metro should have been all the way to Liverpool now, not in the future (if it doesn’t get scrapped)

    • @Grimloxz
      @Grimloxz Před 4 měsíci +2

      Gotta agree with this. I live at Edmonson Park now and I'm starting to understand...

    • @billeves4627
      @billeves4627 Před 4 měsíci

      But youse are getting your own airport.

    • @decepticons_destroy
      @decepticons_destroy Před 4 měsíci +9

      @@billeves4627 an airport that doesn’t have a metro to its own City Council! People from Liverpool still work in the Sydney CBD, so we still need efficient trains/metro (if given to us). Campbelltown is 53kms from the CBD but has express trains that only take 60 mins. So a town that’s 23kms further away takes the same amount of time to get to the city, that’s how bad it is for the people of Liverpool.

    • @electro_sykes
      @electro_sykes Před 4 měsíci

      And they should of used the rest of the T3 alignment for it and then turn Lidcombe to Sefton into a shuttle train.

    • @electro_sykes
      @electro_sykes Před 4 měsíci +2

      Nah mate Chatswood is Sydney’s third CBD. Liverpool is like Sydney’s fourth.

  • @fcfhkmelb
    @fcfhkmelb Před 13 dny +2

    Sydney Metro is just a new name for an improved train service. It’s the same mode of transport after all. But politicians want us to think they are bringing in a new form of revolutionary transportation into Sydney when they are just incapable of upgrading the entire train system to a modern standard.

  • @adnanrazam
    @adnanrazam Před 12 dny

    Please keep us updated about the developments related to this line 👍

  • @rogue265
    @rogue265 Před 3 měsíci +5

    The metro time to Central is actually the same time as the old RailCorp all stops train timetable from 2003...

  • @user-uo7fw5bo1o
    @user-uo7fw5bo1o Před 3 měsíci +2

    Now if Sydney Metrorail built the line with 3 or 4 tracks to provide express services to and through downtown Sydney!

  • @electro_sykes
    @electro_sykes Před 4 měsíci +5

    Hey Sharath, Can you explain why those at Yagoona and Birrong who are loosing their direct service to the CBD will benefit better with Metro southwest and the new T6 Lidcombe to Bankstown shuttle over the current T3 services.

    • @misssummersalt
      @misssummersalt Před 4 měsíci +2

      I second this! Being a Yagoonan must feel like being screwed right about now.

    • @therealGLAD
      @therealGLAD Před 4 měsíci +7

      They won't really (unless you consider a better city wide rail network a benefit).
      Two stations are worse off, but the 150+ other stations in the city are much better off. It's a necessary trade off.

    • @electro_sykes
      @electro_sykes Před 4 měsíci +2

      @@therealGLAD fair and those two stations get pretty low ridership anyways. I think the shuttle is only temporary until a more Permanent solution such as Light Rail happens. I was thinking one benefit could be less delays.because the train doesn't get held up further back down the track, but idk

    • @mapletreegames9053
      @mapletreegames9053 Před 4 měsíci +7

      To be fair, this is the same thing the Hornsby-Cheltenham via MQ Park/Chatswood faced (what was then T1 and now T9) who lost their direct connection and now need to change at Epping.
      There's rarely a solution that offers a win for everyone, but broadly speaking the benefit far outweighs the loss.

    • @mark123655
      @mark123655 Před 4 měsíci +2

      Unfortunately not everyone can benefit from any change.. but system wide this is a massive net benefit for a lot of people.
      - quicker and higher frequency service for those on T3, particularly for those on the skipped stations
      - untangles city circle meaning more services on other lines

  • @nightowldickson
    @nightowldickson Před 4 měsíci +1

    There will be less seats for commuters, but more frequent services and shorter trip time, better connectivity with other parts of Sydney

  • @whophd
    @whophd Před 8 dny

    Somewhere between my first and second tour of the Sydney Metro City stations, and realising the truth of the Bankstown service speed, I decided that the Sydney Metro isn't the poor cousin of Sydney Trains, but the other way around. And now the map needs TOTAL changing - the T1 should wiggle around the M1, not vice versa. And capacity? The M1 should be the fat thick line, not the T1/T9 and City Circle.

  • @mdheartsuju
    @mdheartsuju Před 3 měsíci +2

    There will be delays during peak as they doors won’t close while people keep going in/out and since they stop at every station, the delays will be multiplied

  • @danielaxenov5315
    @danielaxenov5315 Před 6 dny

    No way, a42!!

  • @budbanter
    @budbanter Před 29 dny

    Ah yes because saving 3 minutes is really worth the billions they’ve spent.

  • @yesbeautyfly
    @yesbeautyfly Před 23 dny

    Yes, No Express. North West & Bankstown Metro Line will be all stops around 80mins in total, similar to Central to Gosford Express. Central to Helensburgh is less than that.

  • @anonymousanonymous7250
    @anonymousanonymous7250 Před měsícem

    I wish they would extend the Yellow line to Mt. Vernon. As well as have a stop in between Pentagon and Smithsonian for the Jefferson Memorial.

  • @berenscott8999
    @berenscott8999 Před 4 měsíci +5

    Single deck trains have shorter dwell times, much faster acceleration and braking. It's on dedicated tracks. It's been proven that double decker trains don't provide any advantage. You only get 33% more passengers and the gap between trains goes from 3 minutes to 2 minutes. That's makes a big difference.

    • @KyrilPG
      @KyrilPG Před 4 měsíci +1

      That depends where, and how.
      In Paris, they manage to have both high frequency, high acceleration, and double decker high capacity with trains carrying well over 3000 passengers.
      But they have many huge doors and autopilot with extremely low separation.
      And they better have it to move 1.5 million people per day on just one line like on RER A.
      One thing they've done recently is to enlarge the platform inside the train at door level, and this enlarged space acts as a buffer to speed up passenger transfers (in open gangway design).
      Plus the trains have to be capable of fully clearing a 225 to 250 meter platform in under 23 seconds from door closed, and the system allows the next train to enter the station while the previous one hasn't even cleared the platform yet.
      But at the same time, they push their fully automated metro lines to 85-second frequency during rush, so passengers are "trained" to be quick as the dwell time is a matter of seconds.
      Of the 5 RER lines in Paris (the regional express heavy metro), only one still runs single decker trains and will soon be upgraded to a new double-decker type. Because it works the way they do it and the single decker trains are overcrowded and no longer do the job.
      The French are quite in love with double-decker trains, even their high-speed ones have two levels, and the new TGV M type entering service next year will be able to carry up to 1480 passengers in dual consists.

    • @berenscott8999
      @berenscott8999 Před 3 měsíci

      @@KyrilPG Hang on, which trains in Paris are double deck? I'm seeing nothing but single deck?

    • @KyrilPG
      @KyrilPG Před 3 měsíci

      @@berenscott8999 RER lines A, C, D and E (the regional express heavy metro that inspired London's Crossrail aka Elizabeth line). And many Transilien lines.
      Using trains like the MI2N, MI09, RER NG, etc.
      Of 5 lines, 4 use double deckers, and line B will follow soon with the MI20 train type.
      They are huge, some with up to 3 two-meter doors per side per carriage (MI2N and MI09).
      You may be thinking of the conventional metro that is single decker.
      But the regional express heavy metro is overwhelmingly double decker.

    • @berenscott8999
      @berenscott8999 Před 3 měsíci

      @@KyrilPG It's really difficult to compare the Sydney trains to the Paris RER. A few things to consider, Sydney trains are wider, at 3 meters, compared to 2.83. The 4 carriage sets differ in length, Sydney is around 80m compared to 100m Paris RER. I think you'll find that Paris trains have a higher speed and a higher acceleration. Dwell times seem to be similar. But maybe because Paris has a metro, the RER trains are used for more long distance travel?
      Regardless, we go back to the point, single deck trains are faster, and the double deck only gives you 33% extra passengers. With single deck, you can have more doors, you can run seating down the side walls giving more standing space. You can space single deck trains closer together on the network. My points aren't wrong.
      I think we really reach a point where a rail network either has to go Metro, or go heavy. It's one or the other. And Sydney went the wrong direction, but it's okay, because back then heavy was the only way. The funny thing is Melbourne having broad gauge went the metro direction even though those tracks could have easily allowed for some seriously heavy operation.

    • @KyrilPG
      @KyrilPG Před 3 měsíci

      @@berenscott8999 They mostly are around 2.9 to 3 meter wide, too. They use mainline train loading gauge.
      Mi09 is 2.9m wide, RER NG aka Z 5800 is 2.996m, which is only 4 millimeters short of 3m. So basically, it's 3 meters wide. 🤣
      It's the older single decker trains that are 2.8m wide (like the MI79 & MI84).
      RER trains are overwhelmingly used in 225 meter long double consists. Except for RER D, which goes up to 260 meters long.
      Yes, the RER trains usually have a higher speed and strong acceleration capabilities. They must be able to clear a 225 meter long platform in under 23 seconds from doors closed.
      Recent RER types have wide doors of at least 2 meters, plus a large internal buffer zone.
      The latest type, RER NG aka Z 58000, uses longitudinal seating on one side of the lower deck with fold-up seats, a large corridor, and a transversal 3-seat block on the other side.
      They've conceived this train to have 3 main travel areas :
      On the open gangway platforms at door height, mostly standing plus some longitudinal seats, for shorter journeys.
      On the lower deck standing or seated for mid distance journeys.
      On the upper deck, seated for longer journeys.
      The end cars are single deck and mostly aimed at people with reduced mobility, strollers, etc.
      Dwell times can be pretty short during rush hour, but they are longer than the metro which can be frighteningly short.
      Though some RER trains carry well over 3600 passengers, and no conventional metro train can even remotely approach such capacity. The 120m long MP14 train in 8-car formation used on the fully automated M14 line is the longest metro train in Paris, and "only" carries a little over 1000 passengers. This line operates at 85-second frequency during rush.
      The separation between trains isn't different between single decker and double decker trains. Double decker RER trains are pretty light in weight compared to their passenger capacity.
      On RER A trains can follow each other with only a few dozen meters of separation between them in stations.
      The system allows the next train to enter the station while the previous one hasn't even cleared the platform yet.
      With powerful trains and modern systems, you can combine heavy and metro like it's done in Paris.
      In Paris they need extremely high capacity ; and single decker trains wouldn't be enough, that's why all RER lines will have double decker trains in a couple years.
      They are using CBTC autopilot systems on double deckers for this, with lines exceeding 60 000 passengers per hour per track.
      It's the systems that define train spacing.
      They've found that the doors' increased width combined with interior buffer zones have more positive effect on passenger exchanges than the number of doors.
      The MI2N and MI09 trains used on RER A have 30 doors per side on 225 meter long formations.

  • @tasmanianmapping
    @tasmanianmapping Před 4 měsíci +8

    the bankstown line should be extended to darnick via minadibba and lysaghts 😂😂😂

    • @miner_farm
      @miner_farm Před 4 měsíci +1

      REAL! we need services every 4 minutes to darnick and we need them NOW!

    • @Sydney_Mapz
      @Sydney_Mapz Před 3 měsíci +1

      Yes!

  • @carisi2k11
    @carisi2k11 Před 4 měsíci +3

    But what about beyond Bankstown?

    • @qjtvaddict
      @qjtvaddict Před 3 měsíci +1

      You will transfer and like it

    • @strikerbowls791
      @strikerbowls791 Před 3 měsíci

      Who lives out there?

    • @mgp1203
      @mgp1203 Před 3 měsíci

      you're clearly not familiar with Western Sydney because plenty of people live behind Bankstown. @@strikerbowls791

    • @yesbeautyfly
      @yesbeautyfly Před 27 dny

      @@carisi2k11
      At least 2 small Stations are on chopping board. Birrong & Yagoona may have no more train after Metro being built to Bankstown.

  • @hi9580
    @hi9580 Před 3 měsíci +2

    Issue with faster acceleration, quicker stopping and more stops is passengers getting motion sickness.

  • @flamingfrancis
    @flamingfrancis Před 3 měsíci

    You fail to mention that the scheduling is greatly assisted by the corralling screens on the platforms and that each stop is very limited in the same manner the Paris Metro works.

  • @yesbeautyfly
    @yesbeautyfly Před 29 dny

    To shut a popular & busy existing Line for a year is simply UNACCEPTABLE & stupid! Traffic jam will spread far further than Bankstown to Sydenham so roads will become gridlock & new Metro will have less than 1/5 seats of the current double deck train.

  • @anger_7762
    @anger_7762 Před 2 měsíci

    I think the point of express is 1. Faster, and 2. Have more free seats. Now with metro only 1 is satisfied 😂

  • @user-pt8im9kl4i
    @user-pt8im9kl4i Před 4 měsíci +1

    I wonder cam sydney ever get express metro's like express services on the metro

    • @exploringsydneysrailways
      @exploringsydneysrailways Před 4 měsíci +3

      Probably not, because the high frequency of the line and the fact that there are no extra tracks for overtaking mean that express trains will barely save any time over all-stops trains.

    • @robotx9285
      @robotx9285 Před 4 měsíci

      Unless they build NYC style 3 or 4 track lines. Which is honestly unnecessary since there' already a high frequency regional rail system which can serve this function.
      There' gonna have to be lower frequency order to run express trains, which will negate the point of turning this line into a metro, and likely provide a worse service since your running regional style service without the amenities or double deckered capacity better for lower frequency services.

    • @TomHommus
      @TomHommus Před 3 měsíci

      ​@@exploringsydneysrailways I think Santiago does skip stops during peak hour so for example your station is labelled either A, B or common. Every second smaller station is skipped and if you want to go to the next station you have to travel a bit further and then travel back. Similar to how if you want to go from Flemington to Homebush

  • @qjtvaddict
    @qjtvaddict Před 3 měsíci

    HOW IS A LOCAL METRO FASTER THAN THE EXPRESS????!!!!! Damn I wonder if they should do that on the T4??!!!

  • @jakez6851
    @jakez6851 Před 3 měsíci

    Let’s hope those high school kids don’t hold up the doors during the afternoon rush and delay the trains.

  • @wezen89
    @wezen89 Před 3 měsíci

    The original express service is only 5 minutes faster than the all stops train, so it's not that big of a deal to lose it no?

  • @Josh-xe6pq
    @Josh-xe6pq Před 3 měsíci

    Catching an express (on a different line) makes me feel superior when the train speeds past a lower tier station

  • @Sadiamostofa5678
    @Sadiamostofa5678 Před 2 měsíci

    I live in Bankstown

  • @kuntekinte2687
    @kuntekinte2687 Před 3 dny

    rip lol

  • @geoffreylongstaff8557
    @geoffreylongstaff8557 Před měsícem

    Dose not account for self entitled people holding doors and congested boarding problems, people are absolutely hopeless when it comes to catching trains, everyone wants to stand at the doors not letting others on or off, no one wants to spread evenly along platforms, I could list other dramas too 🤷🏾‍♂️

  • @darrylktube
    @darrylktube Před 2 měsíci

    RIP Erskineville 😂

    • @kxg-pv7rn
      @kxg-pv7rn Před měsícem

      T8 will service Erskineville

    • @lachd2261
      @lachd2261 Před 19 dny

      And the T4 will serve erskineville from the 2025 timetable change onwards

  • @kwakka61
    @kwakka61 Před 4 měsíci

    So they're replacing your trains with trains, but not calling them trains.

    • @mapletreegames9053
      @mapletreegames9053 Před měsícem

      @@kwakka61 well yeah you replace trains with faster trains. What did you expect, them to be replaced with fucking Jetsons type flying saucers?

    • @kwakka61
      @kwakka61 Před měsícem

      @@mapletreegames9053 So, you're too thick to even understand one sentence. Point proven.

  • @ozwunder69
    @ozwunder69 Před 4 měsíci

    Sure and the light rail will every 4 minutes... Never

  • @jack2453
    @jack2453 Před 4 měsíci +3

    Well that's one point... but the lack of seats is harder to argue away.

    • @darkillusionists2595
      @darkillusionists2595 Před 4 měsíci +5

      There is way more place to stand tho

    • @misssummersalt
      @misssummersalt Před 4 měsíci +2

      ​@@darkillusionists2595oh, what joy. I'd much rather sit for 33 or 38 minutes than stand for 30, and I'm pretty sure a great deal of Sydneysiders will feel the same way.

    • @darkillusionists2595
      @darkillusionists2595 Před 4 měsíci +3

      ​@@misssummersalt And I'm pretty sure a great deal of Sydneysiders can tolerate the standing for a faster travel time. Plus there is a higher frequency so I doubt there would be an issue with lack seats.

    • @KasabianFan44
      @KasabianFan44 Před 4 měsíci +4

      ⁠@@misssummersalt
      Repeat after me: more standing room means more overall capacity. Which means more people are able to use the metro. No matter how you spin it, that’s a massive benefit. If you don’t like it, tough shit.

    • @midgetwars1
      @midgetwars1 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@misssummersalt If you're getting on a Bankstown, you definitely will get a seat?? You're literally the first station.

  • @sydneytrainsandtrucksfilmer

    A42🙁

  • @johnzapper1652
    @johnzapper1652 Před 4 měsíci +1

    He's got that no closet can hold can hold him voice.

  • @JohnSmith-qi6pm
    @JohnSmith-qi6pm Před 4 měsíci

    You lost me at TikTok

  • @itzjumpanana4311
    @itzjumpanana4311 Před 4 měsíci

    How come it's faster?

    • @gbf111
      @gbf111 Před 4 měsíci +12

      watch the vid mate

    • @matttaylor9110
      @matttaylor9110 Před 4 měsíci +10

      Double decker trains are heavy, take longer to accelerate, take longer to decelerate.
      Platform screen doors allow the train to enter and exit the station much faster.
      Also probably signalling upgrades but someone else can give details there

    • @SashanthSrinivas
      @SashanthSrinivas Před 4 měsíci +2

      @@matttaylor9110yeah and metro goes a lot faster than overground trains

    • @BLACKSTA361
      @BLACKSTA361 Před 4 měsíci +2

      ​@@matttaylor9110 don't forget transfer of passengers should be much faster as well

    • @SS-yr3ij
      @SS-yr3ij Před 4 měsíci

      People are dumb. Just watch the video

  • @user-rj5kx8wr6y
    @user-rj5kx8wr6y Před 4 měsíci

    Young fella!
    Time you started to make a distinction between change, re-development, & retrofitting, which can all be desirable AND growth, which never is.
    There are enough of us already and we are collectively consuming more than we should.
    Your interest in improvement is admirable. Your support for GROWTH is not.
    Improvement IMPROVES. Growth destroys and diminishes.
    Time to do some environmental HW!

  • @misssummersalt
    @misssummersalt Před 4 měsíci +4

    So we can expect to be forced to stand for only 30 minutes compared to having a better chance to sit down for 33 or 38 minutes? Wowee...

    • @TomHommus
      @TomHommus Před 3 měsíci

      If you're on a smaller station you actually get double the seating capacity 4 trains an hour with marginally more seats or 15 per hour. (Any station that's not Bankstown Lakemba Campsie Marrickville you get more seats)
      The express stations lose a bit of seating. But not much. If more seating is required it can be upped to 30 tph which is a metro every 2 mins which would actually double the seating capacity of even the larger stations (Bankstown, Lakemba, Campsie and Marrickville)
      Keep in mind even during peak hour trains aren't too efficient. How many people actually want to sit in the middle seat for example, I've seen many that would rather stand.

    • @TomHommus
      @TomHommus Před 3 měsíci

      Found a post on Reddit with the calculations. Current seating capacity for stations that are not Bankstown, Lakemba, Campsie and Marrickville are 4 trains at 880 seats per train = 3520
      New capacity of a 6 car metro for those stations (15 metros per hour at 378 = 5060)
      Bankstown, Lakemba, Campsie, Marrickville get 8trains at 880 per train = 7040 seats per hour.
      So loss of 2000 seats per hour for the main stations and a gain of 2000 for the smaller stations.
      But the metro can be upgraded to 8 car sets at 30 per hour.
      So potential capacity is 508 seats X 30 = 15240 which is double the maximum by the train network.
      Also there isn't capacity to increase services on the Bankstown line as a train so 7040 is the maximum you'll ever get if you're sticking with trains

    • @user-iy4vg7kt6k
      @user-iy4vg7kt6k Před 2 měsíci

      ur not gonna get seats on a peak hour double decker anyway...