STOP, You're Training Your Biceps Wrong!
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- čas přidán 19. 08. 2023
- Are you training your biceps wrong? You are about to find out in this video on how to get bigger biceps by implementing a biceps workout strategy that may be completely new to you. We look to the teachings of the late great Mike Mentzer to give us clues as to how we may want to switch up the way we do our biceps exercises, and all of our workouts for that matter, to get bigger arms in the long run.
It starts with a declaration by Mentzer where he says that the best biceps exercise for growth is hands down the close grip underhand pulldown. Now, keep in mind, this is not the same as the underhand pulldown done for the back and lats. If you focus the intention of the pull on the elbow and stop when the elbow joint is at about 90 degrees of flexion, you will keep the tension high on the biceps rather than the lats.
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That said, is he right?
Well, I want to take you back to a time early last year that I tore by distal biceps tendon. I was trying to prevent my son from falling on the ice after he slipped, and the sudden grab to catch him resulted in a 99 percent tear of the distal biceps tendon off the bone. Up to that point, I had done a lot of heavy barbell curls, chinups, waiter’s curls and drag curls to build the biceps that I have today.
What I liked best about the chinup was that it mimicked the same benefits that Mike spoke of when he talked about the underhand pulldown. It shortened the biceps by putting it in a flexed shoulder position along with a flexed elbow. It was actually a very safe biceps exercise for a torn tendon since there was no great eccentric lengthening that took place here. As the elbow was extended the shoulder was flexed more - taking away some of the overstretch that could compromise the biceps muscle.
The only issue was, with the biceps being weakened by the tear I was finding that my medial elbow pain was increasing from trying to manage my bodyweight up on the bar.
This is when I remembered the lecture from Mike Mentzer discussing his favorite biceps exercise. I tried it and it was a game changer. I started using this exercise for biceps training a great deal. Not only was it something I could scale better than a full body chinup but I was also starting to feel the mind muscle connection with the biceps that had gone missing since the time of the tear.
That said, I didn’t stop at just one biceps exercise. I come from a long history and background of doing more than just the one set or exercise that Mike recommends in his Heavy Duty training. So I curled too. That said, I used a method that would dramatically cut down ont he volume of biceps curls I was doing. I used the run the rack technique shown in the video.
After a brief warmup, I started at the heaviest weight I could handle for EZ Bar Curls for about 6-7 reps. As soon as I reached failure, I dropped the weight and grabbed the next lightest bar in the rack. I continued to rep out to failure once again. This kept going until I reached failure with 3 more successively lighter weights for a total of 5 rounds without rest in between.
This torched my biceps and was all I needed, in combination with the underhand pulldowns discussed before. On the pulldowns, I was able to implement some forced reps and negative only reps by either using my bodyweight to pull the bar down into position or having a spot from Jesse to help me.
Finally, I had to consider the final premise of Mentzer training that was largely responsible for the gains that could come from using it - rest and recovery. Given that I couldn’t handle the increased workload at this point anyway, I figured now was the time to attempt ot cut back the frequency of my bicep workouts and see if I lost any gains because of it. Shockingly, I did not. In fact, I gained much more size back on my biceps as a result.
What was once a scenario where I trained my biceps 2x per week I was now doing them about once every 10 days and capitalizing on the indirect work they would get in my back and pull workouts.
I highly encourage you to give these lessons learned a try in your own biceps training and exercises. You may be shocked by the results - injured or not.
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Listening to Mike has changed my life, I work out once every other year, I've never seen so many gains.
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Too much
I needed this. lol
Eat carbs like he did and you won't have to worry about training much longer. 😉
It was actually all the meth he smoked
Mike Mentzer has been blowing up in my recommendations the last couple months. Has that happened to anyone else?
Same here. Not that I’m complaining
Yep started on tik tok and now I’m here
Same I cant stand him. Its nothing against him Ive just seen enough
That is bc Mike Mentzer is a badass. Learn from him. Do exactly what he says.
JARETH??? I can’t stand your name
I am 75 years old. I am trying my best for the last 30 years to workout. Last year my young neighbor asked me watch Jeff Cavalier on You Tube. I am so grateful to you by watching your videos now I know what to do. One day my dream is to meet you before I die. You share your knowledge sincerely. I watch at least 4 hours your videos.❤❤❤❤
you got some nice neighbors man
Long Live man
You are THE hero. Mad respect
This is PRICELESS information and has inspired this 57 year old, who used to be super fit but fell off the wagon after a few minor shoulder injuries. Now I'm ready to hit it hard again in the gym with Jeff's advice. I TOTALLY agree, the pull-downs always seemed to be so friendly to my injured shoulders......now I know why. Time to rebuild this body!!
same here 60, injured shoulder. This is helping with recovery!
I literally have a Van Halen song stuck in my head even though I wasn't even listening to it, then saw your comment
@@diags_1109 I'm thinking "RIGHT NOW!!"
I see you guys with injured shoulders reaching out. I want you to know that I've been through this more than once. Back in 2007, after injuring a shoulder from simply moving some furniture, I slowly started to rebuild that shoulder by just doing some simple light incline baby push-ups. Then I started to work my way into some normal flat push-ups. After time my shoulder got stronger, and then I was able to do some reverse incline push-ups. Pretty soon I didn't even feel the pain anymore in my shoulder. Now I'm back to another injury again. So I'm going to start over with the same routine and using some of the priceless information from this workout as well. Just remember, your muscles are stronger than you think!! You just have to be patient with them and don't rush them when they are trying to rebuild themselves.
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1:05 Mike Mentzer Pulldown
1:45 Torn Biceps
3:10 Chinup & Elbow pain
4:20 Pulldown
6:00 Mike Mentzer Set
8:15 Run the Rack
10:00 Mike Mentzer Recovery
12:10 Frequency
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"Elbow Pain" ... he seems to be refering to tendonitis, not actual joint pain. This is common with over training of forearms, which happens just from training back and biceps. The use of straps / grip devices can reduce the forearm grip use during back & biceps .. elminating this common tendonitis condition. I've seen many people encounter this problem and they wrongly understand the cause and proper solution.
The fact that there's no presumptuous "you're welcome" at the end of this list is all I need to say a genuine thank you to the person who put this effort in.
A person who needs to be in every video
Watched this video and immediately went to the gym for my session. Added the pull down workout to my routine and I could tell a HUGE DIFFERENCE in how my arms felt in comparison to a normal curl.
I’ll definitely be keeping these in my workouts! For some reason I just never thought about doing them. Doing curls has been burned in my brain for decades haha
Couldn't be more right on point.. I'll be taking this mindset to the 24-hour gym in just about 1 hr from now.
I did the exact same and my experience was identical
@@ritchiep.4300how was it?
Anytime I go to the gym is absolutely intense. The self gratification is amazing. As for this particular workout,I already do this with a wide grip pull-down. This method was different.. more " lats," I suppose ..
Nice man! So from what I understand we only do one set of the pulldown until failure, however what weight do we do, like 60% of your max weight ?
Bicep tear gang here.. genuinely appreciate the little lesson and sharing your story. Noone talks about the self doubt post injury, but knowing more about how to keep it strong means everything.
These vids help! Thanks!
Bicep tear gang here as well…
Haha how you tear a biceps🎉
@@maroof1 ikr got all that muscle how tf it tear so easily, must be over training with heavy weights
Curious how painful it is?
@@davesturchcgi any bodybuilding tear is painful. It's excruciating
I’ve been weight training for 35 years. I had shoulder surgery a dozen years ago - result of damaging shoulder doing heavy behind the neck military press (first time I tried behind the neck) then I felt something wrong a week later slowly lowering the curl bar back on the seated preacher bench rack. No bueno. That changed my approach to weight training drastically. Love this video and will implement it this week brother. Thank you - love your videos. I no longer go to failure on any exercise. I follow Pavel Tsatsouline’s approach with long rest between sets and not going to failure. I just slowly increase weight over time and it works for me. My goal at this stage (in my 50’s) is to stay healthy and strong - no damage.
I just started the Mike Mentzer program. At age 59 I was tired of pain during recovery. I didn't realize I was over training. After a month on his program, I'm definitely stronger. I've added minimal cardio, 2 to 3 days a week to keep the weight and fat under control. I'm still getting use to the three to four day recovery. But I love not being in pain and coming back stronger. At this point in my life, an injury from over training could be a major set back. I wish I'd known about his system in my 30's, but now is all that matters.... This was a great review and comparison on how you integrated Mike's system with yours. Your knowledge is well appreciated 👍
Hey bro how can I see that program ? I want to try it but don’t know where to find it
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@@nathanielalonso9015 in the CZcams channel called "Heavy Duty College".
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Curious to what that program looks like
As a 78 year young man, I am trying to get a toned look. I am into my 14th month at the gym and the owner of the gym keeps an eye on me and gives me different routines. This method to help my biceps form sounds very interesting.
Going to the gym (3 days x 2 hours per week, 6 hours) is the best thing that I could have done for myself. 16 kilos lost, blood pressure normal without the usual tablets. Thanks for your tutorials on youtube.
You're awesome!
Nice work bud!
Awesome! This made my day
Daamn!! 🔥🔥
Awesome to hear
Honestly I incorporated bicep bar pull downs and over 3 weeks I can flex my bicep so much harder than before. The bicep contracts more uniformly from the shoulder to elbow is so true. My left bicep was the weakest one and it’s caught up to the strength of my right shoulder
It's amazing to know that you could balance the weak side
I have slight imbalance to in my left bicep compared to my right
awesome. i need to do this.
How many sets? Are you incorporating more bicep workouts as well?
How many times a week... 2,3 times?
This is golden. Literally the best video I've ever watched about fitness and lifting
Mike was very knowledgeable and I have implanted his way of training for a number of years . His non frequent training or overtraining is spot on.
It's funny but in fat loss studies you only need a couple of minutes of really intense hitt training to show amazing gains in fat loss and cardio as well. The body isn't meant to labour endlesssly..........that's why peasants die young. Intensity with rest. That's the key.
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sorry not sorry
Doing the minimum to promote growth and the maximum to recover.
@@MrBottlecapBill I believe it, I've been doing 30-60 minute jogs 2-3 times a week and seeing progress, but the time suck and monotony of it was killing me. I just recently switched to doing some 10-15 minute HIIT workouts after weight training, and the fat is absolutely torching off my body I'm blown away.
@@MrBottlecapBillhave you ever seen a fat marathoner. Take a look at Goggins
If I miss a day, I always choose arm day, knowing I've worked them out throughout the week. I Finally got one right!
Love your stuff. I been following and subscribe to your program for two years. Your knowledge and the way you convey the details is the best on the internet. Keep doing what you're doing.
This is the Best video that I’ve ever seen you do! Mentzer was a Genius in my book. He explained every concept that he touted. Great video. Thanks.
Wow! Great video Jeff! You’re the definition of a good coach and leader, because even after having your set beliefs on bicep training and workout, you’re still humble enough to learn and admit there may be better ways. I’ve been watching your videos since the very beginning and I gotta say I owe my lack of joint discomfort and body pain to you and your videos! I’m Extremely grateful Jeff. Thank you!
Thank you so much for this video. I had a brain injury 3 years ago, and this is the exact thing I’ve been looking for, for the brain body connection with the biceps. 🤘🏻🖤🤛🏻
I just tried the underhand pulldown this morning. Burned the crap out of my biceps unlike any other bicep exercises I've done.
Thanks for these videos, I picked up a bicep injury during a martial arts sparing session, took a kick just below the bicep and have struggled lifting on the right ever since.. am going to give this a try.
I've been following Mikes program for 48 years. I do one rep every 7 months with a 2 year year between workouts.
Sounds like you could be overtraining
Maybe do half a rep?
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Its great Jeff to see you give exposure to some of Mike's ideas. As a sixty something I have lately been bingeing on Mike videos and have incorporated his ideas on intensity, frequency and recovery into my training with great success. Your knack of uploading topics that are at the front of my mind is uncanny, spooky even.
Look into Calisthenics Department
Hey from Scotland Jeff , added the reverse grip pull down to my routine today , I've a similar injury to you although on my left arm and I've got to say that excorsise is awesome never felt such a good connection with the upper bi- cep then I noticed after this during my set I was getting a better connection in the subsequent excorsises with no pain , thankyou
Jeff , Ive been watching you for years , this may be your best video ever . Well done !
Upon returning to the gym after a prolonged absence, I implemented the dropset method. I began at 90% of my one-rep maximum (1RM), performing repetitions until failure, then reduced the weight by 10% and repeated the process. I continued this pattern until reaching a weight where I was able to complete more repetitions than the previous set. This efficient method allowed me to not only return to my original fitness level but also increase strength and endurance by about 20%. Additionally, I enhanced my aesthetics over the course of 12 to 14 months. This approach allowed for a shorter time spent in the gym without sacrificing results.
I agree 👍. Did the same approach and was amazed at the results, but of course nothing close to your experience. THANKS MIKE FOR THIS KNOWLEDGE.
This seems to apply to Jeff's "Effective Reps" workouts where you train to failure with about a 12 RM weight, rest only 15 seconds, and then repeat as many sets as it takes to get 20 more reps after failure.
It's still multiple sets........just without rest so he's kind of double speaking on this topic.
@@MrBottlecapBilllet see... 12 reps plus 20 reps equals 32 reps... or 4 sets times 12 reps equals 48 reps... that's definitely less... not including rest periods
So do you just do the one drop set??
It makes a lot of sense we are always rushing to get better at everything, we need to just relax and do a regular workout and get the rest we need. This will help our mind and body function better.
Thank you, I am starting over and after 5 year of being out of the gym for the exact same injury not knowing where to start in get back in the gym. I couldn't help to notice in watching again how your bicept are bigger. Now knowing this I have hope.
I’m 65, lifetime natural. What I am finding as I continue to make gains, is that variety is the spice of life.
Love how Jeff has implemented Mentzer’s style. National treasure for fitness
Jeff you are awesome 👏.. I actually was attempting to hit upper back when I did lat pull down palms up.. I stopped because I felt more pump in my biceps 💪🏾… now I will use this exercise for biceps 😊.. thanks Jeff
I've always used a chin-up style pull as my main bicep working exercise (with the major focus being my back), and done lighter curls as an option only if I have time/energy.
It has meant that my bicep is strong and large from shoulder to elbow rather than the bubble shape many of my peers have.
So glad I saw this Jess, been following you for a few years snapped mine in half on my right on. I will start to implement this in my recovery
your videos on injury recovery and prevention are my favorite. As an older exerciser I'm always trying to stay fit and not get hurt. You did one a while back on low incline bench that I incorporated and it helped my shoulders a lot.
This is special in that I’m a certified overtrainer.
The palms up pull down is a sneaky replacement lift I never would have come up with.
Thanks for expounding around the topic. 🙏🏾
3:26 Yup! I bought a door frame pull-up bar and I noticed I was getting elbow pain too. But after training my forearms and biceps independently for weeks, I noticed the pain got less and less. Now I can do 15 reps with ZERO issues.
I am going to take this advice for sure. I am back to it after some elongated rest from traveling to a country that lacked adequate equipment. Plus, I had a wrist injury that needed some time to heal. Thank you for the advice!
Mike did a lot of warmup sets, like 2-3 for each exercise. The 1 set he’s referring to was the top set or working set, with the working weight. That adds up to a lot more volume than it seems. It’s misleading to just say 1 set. It was 1 top set, for multiple exercises per muscle group.
So basically go until failure and then stop. I mean that's what I'm doing anyways, but maybe I should investigate this after I build some more muscle
Not enough people understand this. Guys out here doing literally 1 set 😂
1 set at 50% at 6 reps and 1 set at 70% at 6-10 reps...that's his protocol and it is not that difficult and not adding lots of volume
You can find Mentzer saying contradictory things about warm-ups over the course of his career. I've only seen him recommend three warm up sets in his later appearances. So it's no surprise that a lot of people don't do this.
Thanks for the clarification
I'm turning 50 in 8 months and never set foot in a gym until a year ago I've been looking more into staying strong and your videos have good guidance without all the nonsense, thank you very much for taking the time to do all the editing top notch
Im 50 in 252 months.
Weight lifting is a good way of preventing age-related muscle loss (sarcopenia) and maintaining strength and a healthy body composition as you get older.
I am 50 and going to Gym Once a week and Love the simple ideas and I like intensity...This is fascinating info here.
I hit 50 in 5 days' time... never felt stronger
WE are the 50 yr+ club..... Always stretching between sets, using mostly 10- 30lb weights, don't want any more surgeries....this is sufficient conditioning for shoveling snow,etc.
I’ve been watching a ton of Mentzer clips, cool to see you include it! I’ve been trying HIT with less sets on arm day and loving it
I think mike's HIT program is only for advanced or intermediate bodybuilders not for beginners as beginners need volume over intensity or 1 set. What do u think?
After 30 years of working out, i 've spent the last two of them following Mike Mentzer's way. I can now say that these have been the most productive years i had in the gym with the most results, better muscle response, better and most efficient workouts and most time efficient. I work out in a two week cycle (hitting every muscle twice a month) and a 4 day rest period between workouts. Mike had nailed it!
Could you wrtie your plan here?
Woah. Can you show me this plan? Sounds good
This is THE GUY to follow...did arm workout today. One of the best workouts since i started going to the gym.
So you did lat pull down but like a chin up like shown in the video?
wow Jeff, what great timing. I've been doing weighted pull-ups a lot for the last 2 months and developed golfer's elbow. Great video!
Sorry to hear about the injury! Inspirational video!
I've been using Mike Mentzier's training principles and am happy with the results
Glad that Jeff is a fan, and signs off on his methods
Jeff, love the applied science to training. I follow your push pull workout along with using bands for supersets. It has been a game changer. I have been concerned about not getting enough recovery time. I add a dedicated shoulder day and arms day to change it up. I also have a dedicated legs day and sprint day. Knowing rest/recovery is important in order to 'grow', how in the world do I incorporate a rest period in order to produce muscular growth? I need for days in the week! I get 8 hours of sleep but skipping the gym even for one day, which I do, is mentally tough and I feel guilty the entire day off. Btw, I use all the products and they too are game changers for me. Thanks in advance for any guidance. Poised for growth... - MJ
I love doing chin ups and did so many that I’ve developed elbow pain as well. Thanks Jeff for providing an alternative exercise. Adding it to my rotation starting with my workout today!
But what's the difference between a chin up and a palm up pull down
God I hate how that happens...smh
@@boxout90you go lighter. That way your biceps can do all the work and don’t need to recruit the forearms
@@treydurio6288damn. that makes sense
That means you need to work on your form! Keep your elbows in and your wrists straight.
Probably the best video about understanding how the body works. Great video thank you very much very informative
Jeff this video might just be the exact thing I needed to hear because I’ve been experiencing some medial elbow pain and have had to switch to hammer curls for the past 2 weeks
Thank you for posting this video!
You have golfers elbow which I had but it’s getting better from doing forearm exercises.I couldn’t lift any heavy weight on my left arm and I only was doing hammer curls which I didn’t feel any pain
@@waitingforthemoon9886 Ive had golfers and tennis elbow for 5/6 years..... It just wont go!
yeah, i may have overtrained on the curls recently and have some outside elbow and forearm pain. im gonna rest it for a few weeks and when i come back, i'll try some of these tips.
@@stein1919 it took me about 6 months for me to start curling heavy again but I still get a little discomfort but I use a elbow sleeve when I only bench
I have this for some years (in and out) but now i get it on the right side too. Dont know what to do. Just taking and walking the baby seat around is painful as fuck
Thanks for the video, Jeff. I've been having a hard time growing/strengthening my biceps. I tried this exercise last night and I'm already feeling like it stressed my biceps in a way that hasn't been achieved in a while.
Perfect timing for this video! Thanks, Jeff.
I’m just an amateur using a home gym but this is the exercise I’ve been doing for the past couple months and I feel so validated right now
Just got back from the gym after doing both the Mike Mentzer set and the bicep pull-down. It was such an intense pump and workout and I was out of the gym sooner. I’m going to stick with this for and see where it takes me in 4-6 weeks.
please keep us updated! Good Luck!
Yes keep us updated.
Me too. But don't you think bodybuilders attribute really weird things to their success once they are ALREADY FIT. Its like a millionaire saying that the reason for their success is everyday they got coffee from one place.
His rationalization for 1 set seems odd especially because hundreds of millions work out differently and have the same development...majority without injury
thats what im also wondering. i think that Jeff said that this method isnt great especially for beginners so im sticking with the normal method that most people do @@PhonkEcho
@@PhonkEcho I definitely agree. I’m 50 and started working out 2 years ago. Mistake I made was going by what people were doing when they have been working out 10-15 years or more. I was overtraining and not giving my muscles proper recovery. I know train muscle groups just once a week with no more than 9 sets. That with 3 days off I’ve seen good gains. Except for my biceps which O was not seeing the same gains which why I was going to give this a shot.
I recently broke my elbow and, though I’m back to training now, the residual pain has made bicep and tricep workouts really difficult. This video has helped me make progress (finally) on the bicep side of things.
Thank you!
What about triceps?
Thank you so much for this video! I recently started developing that elbow pain you talked about and couldn’t figure out why. This makes perfect sense now why I have that pain.
been watching for a while, he is making valid points that i have thought of but negated due to lack of self control
I was getting Elbow pains when i first started the 21 days pull up challenge. When i first started doing the pull ups i could only do 3 pull ups in a row. But after following your 21 days challenge consistently for 7 months i can do 12 weighted pull ups in a row with 15kg plate. I think the reason for my elbow pain was to performing weighted pull ups everyday more than 40 reps. I wasn't habituated with it.
Turning 48 next month...been trying to emphasize rest/recovery time in equal parts to my training. For me it is key to always be experimenting...especially when weighing advice from guys like Mike who used PED's. As a natural, I don't ever expect the kind of growth they claim (i.e. the colorado experiment). Thanks. Glad to see you getting your strength back after taking one for the team.
I'm 48, too. It's amazing how muscle memory and future adaptation is still very much relevant for our age
Love Mentzer, though I can't follow his 1-set plan, adopting his mindset has really helped. I do 2-3 sets, but go to about 14 with good form and maximum effort. It works well.
Thank you. I ruptured my distal bicep tendon as well. Mine was complete, required surgery. I’ve been finally ready to start building some some strength again, this workout allowed me to work equally, I’m hoping to see some more uniform growth and structure and feeling better today already.
Thanks for covering a great topic. I'm a big fan of Mentzers work. The pulldown is an awesome bicep exercise.
He was ahead of the times
he still is, as this bicep excercise still isnt well known
I’ve been doing mikes HIT training for two weeks and can tell a difference. Importantly my exhaustion has gone due to the longer recovery.
This is what I was looking for to increase my pull up strenght. Thank you!😊
I've been following Mentzer's approach for a few months. I think it works. The difficulty lies in training with enough intensity and not half-assing that single set.
I’ve got a bicep tear so always looking for better exercises to target growth without pain. Will utilize this into my weekly program. Great info as always Jeff!
How?
I have been dealing with my left, dislocated shoulder since the 28th February this year. It was an eye opener. Plenty of pain. But I learned a lot about exercising slow, steady and powerful.
i have been recovering my shoulder in the past almost 1 and a half years, with breaks (shoulder impingement); the training sessions were not the most intense, nor they should have been intense, that one i got right, mostly looking for growing the surrounding muscles first, for stabilization and posture; but i've been thinking i should try more than one sessions per week. i am now 40 and the recovery is a bit slow... however turns out my shoulder is quite good now, i am glad i listened to my body needs and didn't overdo the work, sustainability is key for recovery.
@@Dm3qXY Exactly, I am 36 myself
i strengthened my rotator cuff and serratus, don't get shoulder issues now@@Dm3qXY
Thanks for sharing your story. Wish you a full recovery
Amazing timing on this video, it's just what I needed, big thanks!
I knew I was doing something right doing my trainings like this a while back, unfortunately I had medical issues that stopped me from continuing to work out for a while. But thank you for basically confirming that this is indeed the right way to train! Not just the biceps, but overall, I highly recommend it.
Excelente, gracias por esos consejos.💯🤝🏽
This was my first video of yours and I’m a follower now but I also follow mikes teaching and I got to say it works that man is on to something
Very informative, you never disappoint. Thank you again!
I don’t think Mentzer would agree with doing that many drop sets to failure. Just tracking your progress with 1 complete set but glad he’s getting so much more attention. My progress sky rocketed after I learned about him
ive been doing a back/bicep day where ill do 5-6 reps of BB curls (on a 4 week cycle ie week 1= 12-15 reps per set, week 2 8-10, then 6-8, then 3-5) followed by usually 8 sets of Incline seated DB curls and then maybe a couple sets of another random bicep exercise like hammer curls. Do u think id be better off reducing to 3 sets of BB curls and then 3 sets of incline curls and thats it? cus im sure uve done higher volume like me and so have experience and can tell me what works better for u
@@austinlittke5580 My results improved doing low volume, and training till failure. But everyone is different. Just because that worked for me, doesn’t mean it’ll work for everyone. If your gonna do one complete set till failure, please properly warm up and control the negative on the way down with higher reps so you don’t hurt yourself. Hope this somewhat helps at least.
@@austinlittke5580 Unfortunately, I feel like I may have wasted years of progress doing too much volume and focusing too much on protein and neglecting carbs, cause I followed the lie that Arnold and the rest of the internet is preaching. Please, don’t make the same mistakes I have made. But experiment, and find out what works best for you.
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Well...... bicep curls are killing your gains!!!
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Its killing your gain
I'm a simple man, if Mike Mentzer says "jump", I will.
@M4TRIXed I'm saying this because I've been following Mike for about a year now and he has made me a lot stronger faster with less injuries
You kept me right for years,so I will implement this concept into my workout.
Highly knowledgeable and respected Mr. Mike Mentzer. One of my favorite bodybuilders.
I used to follow Mike's training philosophy decades ago. Thanks for the reminder!
Do you know how coincidentally I was thinking my biceps are not getting big as I want , they weirdly stopped and I don't feel any pain when I stretch it as usually was feeling as if I reached my limits but maybe the problem is how I work them Soo thank you I needed this so much
Thank you for putting the great Mentzer in this.
You must have read my mind. You are explaining exactly the issue I am facing right now. I just recently got medial epicondylitis from bizeps curls and literally did all the mistakes you are describing in your video. Those videos are gold. You already helped me to get rid of my shoulder blade pain caused by wrong bench press. Since I changed my exercise like shown in your video my shoulder blade is pain free. Thanks so much again
Great video. As a long-time lifter who now has chronic elbow issues, I've found that everything you said is spot on. I would also add that, for me, rope climbs offer the best bicep stimulus/pain-free option by far....highly recommend!
Thanks, Jeff. Great video. Regarding the number of sets what does this mean for your programs and others that call for the traditional 3 sets?
I added these last year and they definitely helped a great deal and in fact for SURE they are THE best bicep movement. It's a compound movement too so it is much easier to microload from week to week with very tiny plates while keeping the rep count the same.
Ooooh, I 'm trying that pull-down. Yall are so smart & scientific with this
I usually have 2 days between training a muscle directly. Recently had 7 days between workouts and my strength and how hard I could go in sets was actually noticeably better thanks to the increased rest period. Thank you for the video, Jeff.
What I got from listening to some of the Mentzer talks was that you are probably fine continuing with just a couple days rest, but whenever you plateau you should take that longer rest period. You'll break that plateau shortly after, like you have already experienced.
@blaiserascoe3144 bro I never watch gym videos but started last week, I swear it's 100% true, whenever I get ill or injured and come back I break my pr
Read your bible! (KJV, preferably) ♥
Crazy how it varies. For me, If i stay away for a week, I feel so much weaker. It's like I forget how to perform the exercise and cannot exert enough. Talking about strength and not hypertrophy here.
@@abel6298 I read the Bible line by line from page 1 KJV. What did i learn? That the men who conceived it and wrote it had the scientific knowledge of a preschooler. Everything they said that is science related was horribly wrong. The OT is written like a second grader, if that. The creation days are in the wrong order, the earth is flat, the earth is immovable. The sun, stars and moon are just lights above the clouds. Heaven is just up in the sky. Above heaven/the sky/the stars etc/the firmament is an Ocean of Water Above where rain comes from. The Bible is not about creation of the universe, only the Earth. Jesus literally said as a sign of coming judgment day that stars would fall from heaven( the sky). Jesus, the supposed trinity god since the beginning of time, had no idea what a star is! Jesus also said, and this shows that Christians are clueless about what the bible says, is that judgment day, the second coming of Jesus, would happen while his disciples were still alive, while the Pharisee priests he talked to were still alive, all events, the sun darkening, the moon not giving light, the stars falling from heaven, the son of man (jesus) would come through the clouds in the power and glory of god with his angels to reward every man for his works, the good given eternal life on Earth, the damned will perish. All events will happen that generation, while his disciples were still alive. Of course, Jesus was wrong, never happened, he was just a Jewish man named Yeshua. Of note, Jesus never said that your disembodied soul would go to heaven or hell when you die. He said the dead would rise from their graves; nobody went to heaven. Jesus never said sinners would be punished for eternity in hell, he said sinners would perish. Christianity was made up by later Christians. This is the tip of the iceberg. Sorry, but you brought this up. Now go read the gospel of Matthew line by line and think for yourself. The text is clear.
Really like this cuz ive gotten into Mike's stuff lately and I'm more focused on building my biceps
Really enjoy the clips. its the best common sense approach to training ive seen. Keep up the great work. Regards Evan, Qld Australia.
I did the exact same thing as you, except shoveling snow. This has been the staple of my bicep work for over 6 months now.
Thank you for this video. I never thought about doing the underhand close grip pulldown. I will have to incorporate that into my routine.
I’m trying this tomorrow and am so excited. I screwed up my elbow a few months ago doing bad form dumbbell presses and so bicep curls have been really hard on me, even hammer curls have been causing a lot of pain
Dude that warning was not enough 🤣🤣🤣
Thank you so much for sharing such priceless knowledge. An absolute game changer
I have done exactly his program with some variations the same way that Mike explains growth and the different exercises to grow your biceps and other muscles also how much sleep to get with my own program I developed. And how Jeff has agreed with Mike with his speech. My results at 58yrs old are amazing with no injuries and I am all natural✝️🇺🇲💪🏻
I have a very similar story. Partially tore my left bicep doing a preacher curl. I tried different movements, and found that the only direct biceps work I could do was the underhanded pulldown. I relied on those for about 5 months before gradually incorporating other movements. I still do them. I can’t say that I think they are as effective as curls for me, but it’s the only biceps movement I’ll use any significant weight on. They do feel very safe.
How would you suggest avoiding tearing them? I'm terrified of this
@@Mr.McWatson Personally, I would never go heavy on preacher curls. If you can’t do at least ten controlled reps, it’s too heavy. I’d also do them as a last biceps movement, so you are throughly warmed up. The biceps seems to be one of the more fragile muscles as you get older. Once you hit your 40s, it might be a good idea to start backing off on weight, and start concentrating on form and reps. And watch the back training, too. If you feel something pulling in your biceps while rowing, chins, pull downs, etc, stop. It may be nothing, but it may also be the start of a tear. I felt that doing pull-ups prior to my biceps tear and stupidly ignored it. Followed that up with a warm-up set on the preacher and “pop”.
@@Dane33602 Dang, I do preachers regularly at the moment, heavy enough that 12 are a struggle. Muscles working from a stretched position seems to give the best gains imo. Well, now I'm more freaked out lol
@@Mr.McWatsonyeah, I agree that working a muscle from a stretched position seems to have benefits. Just go light. You don’t have to do preachers at all. You can get the same effect from doing seated db curls on an incline bench. I feel safer doing those. Any way you cut it though, that stretched position probably carries some risks. My main biceps exercise these days are light standing biceps curls. I use a full controlled range of motion with reps around 15-20 to failure. I still go heavy (for me) on back, but I’m careful. I won’t touch the preacher bench anymore.
Another great video. I'd be interested in hearing your take on symmetry especially doing one\two sets. My left side is definitely smaller\weaker than my right. Obviously dumbbells instead of barbells but that may be tricky with a pull down.
I have the same issue myself
The same
You can use grip handles to work unilaterally. If you don't have any you can just pull the bar alternatively with a little rotation at the trunk
Probably my favorite video on your channel.
As always, great information Jeff.
The close-grip, palm-up chin-up is great if you have a chin-up bar with swivel grips or angled stationary grips at about a 45 degree angle. That's how you avoid developing elbow pain.
You could use some d-Handles
Could you use rings
@@Fatelvis2 Yeah. Rings would work great too.
I met Mike Mencer in St. Louis in 1978 when I was a teen and training at Body Builders Inc., he gave a great demo. After he left, they told all of us that we just met the next Mr. Universe. The decision-makers knew that already. This is very interesting! I'm going to try it. At my age, I can't afford any tears! I appreciate your channel and approach to strength training. Thank you.
Incredibly helpful. I've never commented on your videos before. But this one blew my mind because it explained so many things, including that elbow pain I got which I now realize was from doing pullups when I should've been doing close hand palm up pulldowns. Thank you!
I do that same exercise for my biceps I'm a former bodybuilder 💪 lol I discovered it by just getting weaker and trying new things not by design!!! I just started doing pull-downs and focus on my biceps and notice good results! Pull-ups are kind of hard for me nowadays and I'm 60!!! I thought this was a very good video one of your best ones in my opinion