Helldivers 2 is still blocked in 180 countries, Sony will do the same for Ghost of Tsushima PC port
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The whole issue with the PSN account mandate was that it makes Helldivers 2 inaccessible to people outside of the PSN supported countries. Removing the mandate but keeping the game unpurchasable in non-PSN countries does not solve the issue. And now they're going to do the same for Ghost of Tsushima's PC port. Are they allergic to more money and players?
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This is the first time I've ever seen a company who hates money. And I don't even know if that's a good thing or not.
Limits access to games
Reduces revenue from game purchases
Lays off thousands due to reduced revenue
Genius! Absolutely brilliant! I am in awe!
You should inform yourself better, there's a world outside the US. Remember, unsupported does not mean unavailable, and it's hilarious that you think people in those countries haven't been playing for the last 18 years. The TOS is not enforced, it exists just for legal reasons.
It's the reason why you only see people from supported countries complaining about it, and no one from unsupported ones making a scene about it. Y'all need to grow up if you don't think MS, Google, Apple and a few others don't have this on their TOS/EULA's as well.
First this and then Microsoft closes Tango Gameworks and Arkane Austin... WTF is happening with game devs these days?!? They are supposed to love to have their wallets full of money.
In my day, console wars were about which console was better…now it is about finding the one that hates its consumers less.
and somehow nintendo is still wining
I miss the bit wars. Those were the days
@@d10_br4ndo8 Pretty much. They just do their own thing in their own circle. They're the devil I prefer the most among the big 3.
@@d10_br4ndo8 You know the current market is fucked beyond belief when NINTENDO's the one treating their playerbase the best by comparison (Do note I say this as a lifelong fan of Nintendo, enough to get a Virtual Boy for myself).
@@d10_br4ndo8 Hard agree, Nintendo's on cloud nine right now compared to the competition. New console coming out soon, they got an entire theme park business to run and they are quite literally more profitable and successful right now than they have been for their entire history. Their net worth currently is more than their combined earnings from 2016 all the way back to 1983, the year they started making video games in the first place.
It's a good time to be a Nintendo fan.
"NO! Buying our game is not enough! We demand you give us your personal information so that we may sell that as well!" It's pure fucking greed.
It was. Spelled out. Months ago.
Learn to read
@@Planag7 What's the solution if you live in a region locked area? Can't make a psn account, can't buy it in steam, just get fucked consumer omegalul. Give us your data.
PC players should be forced to pay for online too. It's illogical that only console gamers are the ones paying. Thankfully sony started with PSN accounts being required on PC, which are the first shady steps into online payment for pc gamers.
It's not just about personal information for marketing it's also for CEOs to claim that they increased the number of PSN numbers so they get more money for it.
@@Planag7 Yet it was sold in countries that didnt have PSN.
Learn to listen to all the info before responding
Piracy is ALWAYS justified if the company shows such blatant hate for their customers.
It's the same for older Nintendo games: if the company doesn't profit from those products as they're not available to be bought, then piracy isn't stealing any profit.
As always, this only fuels my hate for region locked games. The internet is worldwide, there's no reason for stuff to not be available from everywhere to everywhere. "This digital product is not available in your country" should be illegal.
well about digital stuff, it can be illegal depending on the country. However, I 100% would agree that if that is not the issue, then providing a digital version, at least, without any of that BS that companies like Ubisoft are pulling (i.e., you don't own the game), is almost mandatory. What has the gaming industry devolves to...
@@megasalamence4868countries ban media all the time, never has stopped people from getting their hands on it anyway. Ask anime fans.
If people start pirating the game I hope to got they just start suing everyone who does. It’ll be both funny and justified.
@@Doburesuthey’d have to sue entire country’s worth of people, because piracy is a service issue people in places that are usually denied purchase pirate because it’s the only way they can play games or watch shows
@@engineergaming1669 and I’d be, hilariously, fine with that. I mean, talking about how greedy these companies are and then acting like they’re above running the pockets of every citizen of a country? Hell, I’d personally do it just to prove a point lol.
This should be very eye-opening for everyone as to how valuable our data is. They would rather have our data instead of selling the game in 170 other countries.
This is exactly what staggers my brain. Like how on Earth is selling the thing the thing they made in 180 worth LESS than just farming out data? We live in a dystopian timeline
@@grimbostink7607 data has more valuable than oil for a few yrs now. Should tell you all you need to know.
Why do you think I still get away with A d b l o c k - because I'm signed in and my data is more important than CZcams ads.
Yeah and none of these companies are protecting our data. It will be leaked.
People's data is only valuable to these companies if you let it be valuable. Meaning, they have no use for it if you're not gullible.
"We're still learning what is best for PC Players". No Sony, i don't think you are.
Gamers Nexus correct that, it's "Sorry, we heat up the pot too fast that you noticed it".
If you believed them for even a second you haven't been alive for long.
Yeah what's not best.
insert the suspicious cat gif**
Knowing how they've managed their smartphone division, the only words I can come up with are "voluntarily and stubbornly obtuse".
Its like Sony and Microsoft are trying to race each other to the bottom...
They only works if people stop giving them money.
facts its sad man gaming in 2024
PC players should be forced to pay for online too. It's illogical that only console gamers are the ones paying. Thankfully sony started with PSN accounts being required on PC, which are the first shady steps into online payment for pc gamers.
@@zerus4435 We do pay for online. We pay for our internet. :D
@@zerus4435 massive L take hahaha we ain’t ever gunna pay for online hahaha keep dreaming kid
"Piracy is a service problem."
~ GabeN
AAA gaming is not about making games, it's about making products and selling services. Once you understand that, it becomes much easier to ignore corporate generated hype.
The problem though is when a AAA game is good. AAA games aren't all made equal. As gamers, we should fight tooth and nail for good games and tear apart the bad ones. Otherwise companies will see what they can get away with and the others look and take notes. If we put our foot down enough, AAA gaming wouldn't be this hot mess. But that's the inherent problem, most people would rather keep playing their game that they like instead of worrying about the industry around it. And that's mostly that people don't know, don't care, or are too busy with their lives to care. Personally I think that if you want to call yourself a gamer, you should at the very *least* be advocating for better games, and not be complacent with trash.
Indie games right now are better than AAA, but they don't have the budget that AAA games have. With the right leadership AAA games can be amazing.
And I think it's silly to write off all AAA games, because it's not true that they're all bad. There are plenty of bad indie games, and to be fair, all games are products at the end of the day, *including* indie games.
Movies have trailers. New music albums are excessively marketed. The news. All media is a product.
The question is not what company it's made by, what matters is what passion was put into it. A game made by EA, for example can still be good. They just need the right leadership. Obviously that's lacking right now, but it can happen, is my point.
If you mean to say that the passion for making games as an artform is dying, then I think you're right. Games are much more watered-down of late, and on the safe side (for the most part). I hope that changes.
But gaming has always been a business from the start. As you mention, they're just products. But some are passion products. Products that have transcended being just a product, that we should protect from becoming just another product. As gamers we should be doing that, otherwise we lose, If that makes any sense.
We should judge a game by the guy at the helm of the ship, not whether the company making it is a AAA company. Leadership is what matters in all this, nothing else. As is shown time and time again, it's these CEOs that we need to take note of. We should be looking into why these types of people end up running these businesses. We should be demanding that ethics courses be taught in business schools. We should be rallying politicians to implement more laws to protect consumers and employees from these people's decisions. Video game employees should be forming unions.
My point with this text wall is that we shouldn't just ignore everything from some company just because they're AAA. Some of the best games were AAA, and to say that AAA games will always be just products and selling services seems a bit dramatic to me. Yes, the trend shows that AAA games are in the rough, and yes selling and producing is what AAA does, but that will eventually change. Someday people will have enough, and someday what is a AAA game will be of quality again, and have meaning. Right now that isn't the case, but that can change and will change. The rampant greed isn't going to last forever, at some point someone's going to come in and do something about it, regulate it, the whole 9 yards. At the current pace these "leaders" at these companies are making awful decisions, their AAA empire will fall and a former indie studio will rise in it's place. And hopefully they can make better AAA games than those before them. They just need a head on their shoulders. It's my belief that the passion that devs have for their game is what truly makes the sales of games, along with a bit of smart marketing. People wanna play something good, not something bad, and most people aren't going to get fooled twice. There's only so many times this will happen until it boils over.
@@zericle1 Shit companies can make good games. It's not about the game, it's about the company.
Me, still playing 10-20 year old games: It’s a peaceful life.
I played the first infamous from 15 years ago on my Playstation + account this past weekend and it was really cool and nostalgic to play that game again. its was such a good game and i hope sucker punch makes another game with cole mcgrath!!
@johnford8157
Right there with you
W older consoles/PC enjoyer
Yup, Pc user destroyed gaming.
Yep, I'm currently playing Grim Fandango
May 2024 will go down in history as one of the dumbest months in gaming history. Everyone caught a case of the stupid. None were spared.
Everyone except (currently) Valve and Nintendo
@@rontheauraknight9606 I mean, Nintendo did the whole Gmod thing, so that's pretty fucking stupid.
@@rontheauraknight9606 nah even nintendo ain't getting away with it.... valve might be the only one.
@@Skijaramaz20 years of content just gone, that’s messed up
@MightyOh Yeah for being the "Master Race" these babies sure do cry a lot. When was the last time you heard a console player complain about the 10k games that are inaccessible to consoles?
Never, because PC Master Race are spoiled little brats who think console players need to sacrifice for their pleasure.
Also, if you live in a non PSN supported country, you probably have bigger problems than playing a video game.
180 Countries: **Throwing money at Sony**
Sony: "Nah Bro!"
Devs: "HOLD ON! Wait a minute!"
Ever since the launch of HD2 Ive had it in my cart since I planned to buy it after a few months of the initial release and now that I see what's happening Im glad I didn't. Since even if I do get a refund of my game, I'll feel bad to miss out on the fun. I've got hopes for a silver lining now if not then it'll be a bummer.
@@fropepsiI was planning on buying it too, even going against my “live service game sucks” mentality because I saw how passionate the community and the devs are. I guess it’s safe to say “live service games still sucks.”
I guess "We're still learning" is corpo-speak for "We'll never learn".
Sony wants your data, so they can sell it. The only reason they rolled back the PSN requirement was to avoid refunds. Now Steam is giving refunds based on area. They will push to add PSN again, so get your refunds while you can. This isn't over.
and you think microsoft is not doing the same thing? are you complaining too about sea of thieve requiring a xbox account?
@@barbe00bruneBoth are bad
Microsoft done and keep doing that for decades, pc fangaes are so funny 😂
@@barbe00brune I get where you're coming from, but at the same time Microsoft's system isn't as well known for data breaches.
I thought it was because they want to push ps plus requirements on their multiplayer games.
Its a culmination of game publishers selling out to shareholders and replacing people who play games running the company with people in the finance industry lobbying for shareholders.
and sadly with all their mistakes their still making profit.
@@disasterincarnateworse than that, if they make a mistake, they get the golden parachute while regular devs have to pay for it with their jobs literally
The shareholders are a callous bunch as well who don't understand community nurturing. Eventually things will burst and crash down. If you aren't willing to take losses for an overall healthy business, you're gonna pay for it in the long term.
@@TheGravityShifterit needs to go.
I believe this video game crash is happening but only to triple A
And I’m all for it
I say let it die. Fcking tired of the bs.
"The goal that I had in bringing a lot of the packaged goods folks into Activision about 10 years ago was to take all the fun out of making video games." - Bobby Kotick, 2009
I have yet to pirate a single video game but Sony is practically begging me to pirate their games 😂
M8 it’s easier than ever to do it with repackers out there like dodi and fitgirl
However my personal philosophy is to pirate only AAA games and pay for indies whenever possible
@@Juanguar Yep.
I thought the console war was the race to the top, now the two are dukes of hazarding into the Grand Canyon
Just hate leaving positive reviews until Sony stops hating money.
If buying ain't owning then pirating ain't theft, especially limiting a core part of the game being released so that only 69 countries can play.....hurr durr
They don't hate money & hating money isn't a bad thing... Sony's heartlessly indifferent to ppl/human lives. They like most companies, don't care about you if you don't confirm or fit into their goals, simple as.
I assure you they love money. They only really care about investor money and money from selling personal information. Money from purchases is negligible in their minds.
Or you all just stop buying games related to big companies already, how hard it is for this fact to get through your thick skulls?
This clown show has been going for a decade and you all still give them your hard earned money
@@Beta_Mixes which is why till this day i still pirate shit
I like how Sony's solution was to ban their own game rather than just make psn available everywhere.
or just straight out cancel the move and allow everyone to play they game without requiring that dumb PSN
@@spellsnare completely agree but corporations are greedy. Making it available everywhere would be the middle ground with less controversy.
@@5h0ckblock there is likely legislation in place where Sony doesn't want to do business. PSN numbers are more important than anything right now apparently. Ecosystem ecosystem ecosystem.
They can't. That's the problem. They have to deal with legal requirements for all those countries. Microsft can do it because they sell other services (software, cloud) in those countries so cost can be offset but Sony doean't have the infrastructure
@krisc1684 there isn't. One of the countries where PSN isn't available is the Philippines, a former Japanese colony mentioned in the video on Sony before this. Sony as well as others like Toshiba both sells and produces electronics there. The only country with restrictions towards video game consoles as well as platforms like PSN is China.
This is why I never changed my Steam review.
Entire entertainment industry, both gaming and film/shows, just going full speed into the iceberg. Fans and gamers all telling them how they can change course and succeed… but they really want to crash their ships.
I just went back to Deep Rock Galactic. No PSN account required and available in all countries. We Rock & Stone together!
Rock and stone, brother!
Rock and Stone Foreva!
When you're rock and stone you're never alone!
Rock AND Stone!
Consider this: legally speaking, rocking is more legal than stoning! Eh? Eh?
I just don’t get how we’re at a point where unthinkable business practices back in the early 2000’s is now the norm.
I don't envy anybody working in that kind of corporate hell, where a simple problem needs weeks to be solved (if ever solved).
its crazy how sony willing to sacrifice sales of single-player game because they demand psn account for tagged on mp mode that was added in free update. Some of those banned regions are huge, Philippines have almost 120 mil population, Egypt 110 mil, Kazakhstan 20 mil. Absolutely moronic decision.
Considering some of those “countries” (more like territories and regions) are US territories, FTC might have jurisdiction, so a compliant might be worth 10 minutes to write.
I've done just what you said, I encourage everyone who want to be heard who are in the US file a FTC complaint.
Yeah, like a LOT of comments here, I thought I was lucky to not be in a place not support by PSN because I had a PSN account and played online on my PS5.
Until I saw that I couldnt buy either ghost or helldivers on PC... somehow I am not recognized as "supported" by PSN even though I clearly am...
Will do just that. The PSN "Create New Account" allows you to choose USA as the country and includes territories such as USVI and Puerto Rico. I already wrote to Steam, which is reviewing the case, but the FTC complaint seems like a better idea.
@@luisvazquez8182 Apparently Sony can ban your account, if they find out you are not actually from supported region.
And now EA says they want to put ads in games... It's like the AAA gaming industry is just trying its hardest to completely implode right now and companies are competing on who can get the worst PR possible.
Industries and the markets surrounding them are cyclical. Its time.
They already did that with Battlefield 2142 in 2006. I was a young kid looking forward to that game and it became my first boycotted game,😂
They’ve been doing this for years …. U don’t remember the Obama van in burnout paradise
LMAO it’s been done since the early 2000s
I remember need for speed games having billboards all over the city
@@dakidvision no I don't
It's not like Nintendo is blameless. They go way too hard on preventing fans from using the IPs for projects.
Xbox and Sony are sellouts. Sustainable models to create really cool games is no longer the AAA market strategy. Margins. Quarterly reports. “Engagement”. Battle passes. Macro-transactions. Feature incomplete. Focus groups. Shareholders. Infinite growth. These corporations have no soul.
Mark my words, within the next several years Sony will have it's own PC storefront for it's 1st party exclusives. You'll be forced to buy the game and pay for a PS+ subscription on top of that. That's what all this is leading to. Microsoft tried something similar with GFWL which luckily failed.
Plenty of leaks revolving the PC storefront in development. The plan is definitely to make the 1st party games exclusive to their storefront and pull them off steam when it’s available
Well that does not sound a very successful idea on PC. It would be like EA Origins but much worse. Without Steam Sony can't thrive on PC.
@@pienipehmea3243 also piracy is still a thing
This needs to go up.
And it'll likely fail especially if they don't expand the fucking network
Was going to purchase Ghost of Tsushima via Steam, but since I live in one of those 180 countries where Sony made it unavailable, it's easier for me just to pirate the game than jumping through all those hoops to somehow get a Sony account and make it linked to my Stream. From a "win-win" to "lose-lose" situation thanks to Sony!
Piracy is 100% morally acceptable in this situation.
Region locking has always been bullshit. Sail proudly.
@@user-pn4py6vr4n careful, you will invoke the chronic lecturers
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Off to the grandlineeeee
Sadly, we players are not Sony's customers. We are their products. Sony's customers are their shareholders. Same with EA, Microsoft, etc. It's not just about making money now, it's about showing that the company will make money in the future and having PSN expand further into the PC world is one way to demonstrate that. Data collection leads to targeted marketing, which leads to potential increased sales, which is what they're "selling" to their shareholders. Sony probably figures it will make more gains with its shareholders if they hold the line on PSN linking being mandatory than by letting it be optional, even if they burn down the house doing so.
The only thing that changed this course was the massive and very very public backlash that Sony couldn't sweep under the rug and hide from their shareholders. Now that things have settled down somewhat, Sony is most certainly planning to reinstate the PSN requirement in the future, which they will tell their shareholders means those fat future sales aren't gone, they're just a little delayed. Even if it is stupid. Even if it is a lie. Even if everyone knows that this is an incredibly backwards thing to do. So long as their shareholders think that line go up, Sony will do whatever it takes to keep them thinking that.
TL/DR: All Sony cares about is creating value for shareholders, even if that means setting fire to a golden goose game and ruining it's own reputation. Same with MS, EA, etc. Line must go up, no matter the cost.
Expanding into new markets could create that value for shareholders, though, so their decision makes no sense even from that point of view.
I am from the Baltics (Lithuania), this did get us folks really frustrated by this move. We are in EU and not some super poor country. I don't understand this move at all...
"Can't you people move to a country where you can make a PSN account?"
- Sony (probably)
You see anyone from those countries complaining? They've been going around the region issue for 18+ years. And guess what, no bans outside of chinese accounts for obvious reasons.
Sony's xenophobia and cultural arrogance really knows no bounds.
"Some players are more equal than others." - Sony
@@AlexandreFranquinho what are chinese players doing tho?
@@awxrdg5256less about the players themselves, more about xenophobia/racism/history between the two countries.
If you Wikipedia “the r*pe of nanking” well…it’s pretty horrific, and just one of many old hatred’s the two countries did to each other
Back when Sony's "walkback" announcement initially happened, I was honestly pissed at how easily swayed people were even though Sony had done literally nothing but put words on social media. Now, I'm a bit more understanding as to why it has gotten this long for people to realize what's actually going on. If you aren't living in those countries locked out by Sony, you don't really feel the repercussions of their massive fuck up.
I don't know if Sony has realized this yet but they are currently a brand risk to Valve and the PC market in general.
It has always worked.
Take two steps forward, apologize, and take one step back.
Receive praise for "hearing the community" wait for backlash to end, do stupid thing anyway.
Still make millions.
The last time Sony was brought to their knees was by Anonymous hackers
@@Hammeritesaid this for years and always got told how different the company was….
i really wanted to get. GOT just for the singleplayer, But I'm not getting it anymore. already have a bunch of unplayed games.
I loved ghost of tsushima and hoped for years to play it again on pc. Did not preorder because who knows if it would run good on pc. Oh boy, no i will not buy it at all for other reasons. Honestly valve should get rid of all psn games out of spite and to fck off sony.
I find it fascinating that this is apparently so common an issue with Sony that there is a web application dedicated to tracking the changes.
I still laugh at people who reversed their negative reviews on Steam for HD2 claiming it's been a 'win'.
These people are the reason companies do those kinds of stuff in the first place...they never really understood the circumstances, always riding the bandwagon, and ultimately only thinking about themselves.
If the devs are trying their best, it’s kinda valid.
@@contentconsumer3743
Thing is the problem persists, and there'll be no more future HD2 players from countries that can't legally sign into PSN because sales are banned over there.
Just because the PSN requirement for HD2 is rescinded for players in certain countries doesn't mean it's a 'win'.
The negative reviews were basically the devs' main weapon to dissuade Sony from enabling the PSN requirement on HD2 in the first place.
The devs are still fighting for resuming sales on those PSN-less, banned countries...and now they have lesser ammo than ever if players keep reversing their negative reviews just because they can play HD2 again with 'better morals' because they 'won'.
Just went through the Steam profile for Sony's Playstation games and set them all to "ignore." Not buying another Sony game again at this rate.
i put sony as publisher on ignore list the moment i saw helldivers 2 PSN account issue happening
Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart is the only one I am willing to buy, but not the others. Sony needs to stop what they're doing.
Oopsie, too bad Sony bribed all the good developers this year. Better luck next time :)
@@cliffturbo2146 Only game i currently had on wishlist of thinking of buy was spiderman. And mostly just cause i'm a fan of him. other than that one i had no problems ignoring *but still dropped it from wishlist.
Same. Blacklisted like crapcom, squeenix, konami and EA.
Something tells me Sony doesn't want to sell their games.
They don't want to sell their games where people can't access a Playstation Network account sounds about right. 😂
@@MightyOh and they will wonder why they aren't making a lot of money and will wonder why piracy is prevalent in their games or systems.
I took Ghosts of Tsushima off my Steam wishlist since PSN is required.
Course not. th ey want to sell more ps5's.
Wont be to me. They're on my steam ignore list til they prove to *me* that they deserve *my* money again.
And that will not be this year. At a minimum.
Wishing everyone living in the countries which Sony have blocked prosperous good fortune whilst sailing the high seas!
Someone got me a code for Helldivers 2 for my birthday before the PSN debacle. He gave it to me today, and since I live in a country that isn't within Sony's list of recognized countries, I can't activate the game and my friend can't refund it. Money thrown in the wind, and now I just have to sell this code or give it away to someone because Sony hates money, apparently.
Think there is pirated version of Helldivers 2, so you may still get to play it.
This is what happens when you have corporations run by psychopaths and sociopaths.
unfortunately, those are the main people that have the drive to go for the top positions of businesses.
Yeah, good people don't have what it takes to get to a CEO position, that is why these companies are all run by power hungry psychos.
Psychopaths yes. Sociopaths don't have the ability to fit in enough to climb a corporate ladder.
@@TheFirstCurse1its opposite
You misspelled californians
My best conspiracy theory is that due to the upcoming Switch 2 launch, Sony and Microsoft want to give it the best possible head start by ruining their reputation as completely as possible before the reveal.
Damn! Mighty nice of them! Didn't I hear that the Switch 2 could be capable of nearing the performance of PS5?
No well it's stronger than PS4 but weaker than series s so still pretty strong for a handheld @@DeadwaveCarrier-oc1wo
How can that benefit Sony or Microsoft??
@@Abu_Seman i think he was making a joke at their expense. Microsoft may give nintendo a few games so they may get paid
I mean, if the region thing is peoples line in the sand. Nintendo's Account is available in 43 countries, Microsoft/XBL got 42 countries, PSN has 69 countries.
The popcorn is gonna be when the next (or update to current) CoD (or whatever Blizzard thing) needs the XBL accounts.
Ghost of Tsushima released today, and it is delisted on my country.
Really wanted to play it on PC, but it looks like Sony hates Philippines 😓
it is likely legal and laws combined with the publishers right to decide on where they sell their products. but yeah it does not change that there was a messup and clarification issues by what they seems to try to change.
EA: We pi$$ed off the most players (years ago)
Every Company Now (2024): HOLD OUR DRINKS
Except this is nothing new from Sony. Sony constantly has been fighting and lobbying against other platforms and clients. It was Sony who for years blocked all progress of crossplay because "if they don't play on our service, they should not be playing at all".
Pretty surprised with Nintendo being honest. The one company i thought would really go down some silly paths was them. The switch ecosystem is incredible though. Banging out titles every year, never really any discounts ever on games so not much incentive to wait for sales unlike Xbox & PS titles and that leads to a good resell price for you. I think even Mario Kart 8 is still a full priced title despite it originally being a wii u title. Consoles running on ancient 2015 mobile nvidia tech and not killing the company financially making games or consoles either so it seems a secure place to work and make games for. With the wind sony got up during the PS4 i was really expecting them to come in hot with the 5.
Sucks what they're doing with copyright stuff & Modding scenes but just from a consumer standpoint i feel Nintendo and Valve are the last two. Heck even with Steam though i'm incentivised to wait for sales meaning less growth numbers for devs. 24' has another 7 months to go though. Could have another wii u disaster with the switch 2.
More like hold my vodka
It’s ducking sad that we can now wax poetic about the shit business practices and greed of EA and Comcast only 10 years ago just due to how baaaaaaaaaad shit has got.
@@Cogglesz nah nintendo are no different they want to kill back compabilities the one are pretty much successful are valve at least them not make any competition with these 3 clown who will be the worst
Lets be real
Sony sees all of those pc players playing online multiplayer for free and they want to force them to pay for PlayStation plus
While Microsoft is watching all of those PlayStation people on Microsoft PC's, let that sink in, without Microsoft there is no PlayStation games on PC😮😮😂
You dont need to pay for psn account...
@@PeteSykes.1 If push comes to shove, I'll install Linux or fucking Ubuntu if I have to.
@@angrycanadian9760 PlayStation plus
@@Supercon57 playstation plus is for playstation users not pc users goofball and thats what this is about. So try again. Theyre not asking you to make a playstation plus theyre asking you to make and link a playstation network account which is made for free.
One thing that will happen is that PS exclusivity will likely plummet. Any company worth their salt will be looking at this and thinking "If we partner with Sony, we will be losing access to almost 200 countries". That's going to be a hard sell for many companies, and I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing it occur more and more.
Sony wasn’t selling to these countries in the first place, stop being a lemming
"Honour Died in The beach along with sony"
SONY: Let us publish your games. We will show the world.
The world: Only 72 countries has access to PSN
Some of those countries surprise me, I don't think they want to miss Philippines and Vietnam
You don't understand just how bad some of these countries try to regulate digital goods distribution. It's much easier to ignore a TOS clause and allow people to register for example a US account with false address information, because then nobody gets the legal trouble.
@@youtubeenjoyer1743they ban accounts with false information, it’s happened to several people already
People also really need to stop claiming "victory" early.
7:00 thank you! yes, this is _exactly_ what I have been trying to tell people. sony will 100% try requiring linking a PSN account again once the drama dies down and they figure out how to mitigate the backlash.
.....same as all other AAA publishers...
My thought exactly! People were celebrating like they won the war, when in reality it was only a single battle. I was trying to give the same view you have OP.
they care about investors. to them we are statistics and numbers. if they continue this path im not going to feed their ego nor buy their ports that require psn.
@@kazesh9148 eh. Time to ignore perma Ubisoft, EA, sony... no more games from any of them. have done so. will sail the seas for games I am head hunting.
@@mightypancake2211 been boycotting EA, Ubisoft, Rockstar, Activision, and Take Two for over a decade now. Bethesda has been a recent addition. haven't regretted a second of it.
“Why is it such a big deal to link your account”
Is what Sony will say but then again, why is it such a big deal for them if I don't have a linked account
I'm fed up with Sony's policy bullshit and even more with their censorship.
I'm fed up with them ignoring Bloodborne's existence.
Trying to get a password recovery email from sony is like to squeeze water from charcoal
_What? It takes less than 5 minutes._
-click *forgot password*
-enter the email associated with your account
-auto email is sent to you
-click link to enter a new password
-type new password
-DONE.
They make it extremely difficult because they are trying to avoid getting hacked again but they are so bad at their job they get hacked anyway.
@@iyeetsecurity922yeah theoretically it should take less than 5 minutes but in reality they never send the email
@iyeetsecurity922 Waiting for an email that never gets sent is where many people get stuck. It happens to people and then they blame your internet connection when you don't get it. Which is not the case.
PC players should be forced to pay for online too. It's illogical that only console gamers are the ones paying. Thankfully sony started with PSN accounts being required on PC, which are the first shady steps into online payment for pc gamers.
I swear in the past few years alone the intelligence of corporations has decreased to comedic levels..Yeah, they were always nasty, but lately has just been incredible in the worst way.
It's because there has been a fundamental shift away from the consumer of the product to the investor. Corporations can peddle crap over and over to the masses but their longevity and bloated size and survival can be ensured by selling out their core to other big name corps and groups of investors. Imo
Seeing the pennies over the mountains of cash ahead.
Yep!
The games, the consulting companies,and now the doubling down on other things that will mess them up more,shows major problems up top!😐
This is the results of focusing on profits over everything else, increasingly stupid decisions for short term gains
@@Alorso_ This. When you have to scramble to keep short-term numbers going up in perpetuity, it leads to ever-increasing anti-consumer and often idiotic decisions.
I HATE youtube's censor of user comments. FU YT!!!
Sony and Xbox both on a downward spiral, and crazy to see it come to this.
I swear Helldivers 2 news keeps giving me whiplash. It makes me wonder if Sony just announced the PSN cancelation just to get the heat to die down from fans.
They probably did. The go-to strategy for the corporate lizard people has been to see how far they can push things, walk it back slightly, then try to normalize the marginally less awful version so that people are more likely to accept it when they inevitably try to push it even further.
The real personification of, “how many times do we have to teach you this lesson, OLD MAN?!”
Sony’s like your typical cyberpunk mega corp villain
lmao Arasaka vs Biotechica 😂
we have plenty of modern day villainy, no need to go fiction.
@@Zeus-ww4gjNah, Sony is Arasaka while Microsoft is Militec, making Nintendo as Kang Tao
@@michaeltheundeadmariachi4494 lmao I forgot about kang Tao 😅😅 lol
microsoft is doing the same thing, do you only have a problem when sony does it?
It seems Sony hates money
sadly, they still get plenty via advertising and selling personal data, so much so they can easily not care about gamers and their complaints, esp when the vast majority dont care and just buy from them anyways.
I mean, microsoft does the exact same thing and no one givesa shit, I dont understand why it would become a problem all of a sudden when sony does it...
@@barbe00brunebecause pc players just wanna screech about anything. Man its sad how hilariously uninformed people and youtubers are willingly being. Ignorance at its finest
Sadly, only 0.001% of Pc users buy Helldivers, that's not a lost to thems since PC user don't buy games at all they pirate
Yes major corporation hates money. No you bunch of uninformed children. They legally can not have psn in certain countries for multiple reasons. Steam then splits countries into regions inflating your hateboners even more.
Love yongyea, been watching him for years now, always same thing, classic video angle, direct no bullshit news, Points out bad consumerism and companies who don't do well, Bro does vids with tank tops and just chills and talks about games haha, legend really, glad to see you rank up in the youtube world, trust me I have been here for a while, Good luck man!
Living in one of the Baltic countries I can say it's not only weird how the process of having a psn account required me to use Finland a a country of residence which was not true, but also our stores sell The psn gift cards (an option to add money to your psn wallet) of a Finish or UK region knowing that that is the only possible way. We kinda just adjusted ourselves to Sony's weird policies.
Having a game without extremely predatory monetization succeed so thoroughly makes it impossible for publishers to say it isn't what the consumer wants. So they're going to burn this game and games like it so they can say "the last time we made a live service game that wasn't designed to fuck people over, it got review bombed. Clearly the people want loot boxes."
That would make sense. 🤔
But then the gamers wallets close up is the best answer so when they release the greedy garbage liver service, they end up wondering where all the gamers are. sorry bucko, gamers already got 2-3 other live service games tehy are paying on/playing to keep up
@@mightypancake2211 liver service lol
@mightypancake2211 I find your comment funnier than it should be. I know you are saying liver service as "live-er," but a part of me also believes you intend to have it be pronounced as "liver" (The organ) as a joke meaning you need to harvest and sell your own liver to pay for 2-3 live service games.
Sony really looked at the fallout 76 release and went: "we can do worse"
At least with that it was actually pretty funny to watch, this is just a dick move by Sony
Wow fricking CZcams censored my comment
@@JoseHernandez-xv2bt No, your comment about the dick move is visible
PC players should be forced to pay for online too. It's illogical that only console gamers are the ones paying. Thankfully sony started with PSN accounts being required on PC, which are the first shady steps into online payment for pc gamers.
Why we all gotta suffer just cause one group is suffering? "tHaNkFuLlY" ... Assburgers.
Instead of submitting a negative game review, ignore the publisher on steam. Saves you money and saves you ever having to think about it again (unless you want to punish yourself by reviewing your ignore list in a couple of years).
The Baltic countries are almost always getting a shitty end of the stick. The PSN, for some freaking reason, just can't support Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, despite all of them being the EU member states. Sony is just stupid 🤦
Smiling Friends was really on point with the Gwimbly episode cuz man these corps be constantly proving them right
Well. Where did I put my pirate hat?
Right? Gotta brush off the dust and install that program i was using back in the day 🏴☠️🫡
It dangerous to sail alone take this “gave cutlass”
I've already dusted off mine and gotten my blunderbuss ready.
i never took mine off 🏴☠️
When was the last time I used my torrent client? Almost completely stopped pirating since Steam made payment easy for me which others followed.
And theres still people defending them. "But xbox" yeah? And did they get hacked every month over a summer?
Sony was gifted goose laying golden eggs, and they decided to fucking eat it!
Next up, Microsoft raises the price for Game Pass to $30.
Daayum I'm out at that point
why do i feel like not only it sounds really possible, they will do something worse
$30? ONLY $30? Double it....at least.......because that's "what they need to cover their $70 BILLION acquisition sprees." The major problem with Game Pass.....devs LOSE game sales (and they DON'T see anything from Game Pass subscriptions), especially when they are XBox Exclusives released on Game Pass Day 1 (Hi-Fi Rush). Guess what....Hi-Fi Rush didn't sell 20,000,000+ copies like Microsoft "needed" it to, so they shut down the studio.....Gee...I wonder why?
Is Game Pass a monthly fee or an annual fee?
@@paperluigi6132 I think its monthly.
out of a bi or quarterly release for 50-70 dollar games vs the current 10? a month... they would need to have it around 24 just to make up for selling 4 games for 70 appiece... and that is for if they only sold to one person 4 games.
So I wouldn't see it past them to charge 25 or 30 for game pass and the like. that is saying they don't just turn game pass into the game history library. Which it should be... pay 10 dollars a month to play games from 1990 -2010 no new releases on the game pass for money making. New release are only for release to market to be sold for their 70 price tag... then you would see a lot of these things reach solvency... rather than picked up for a month and dropped once the streamers move onto the next new game
i cant get over the obligatory "nice"
gets me every time
Important to note, PC Helldivers in non PSN nations can NO LONGER visit the store to change their review or even check the game itself
Ive often thought if these companies, have a secret competition with each other.
To see who can piss off gamers the most!
I find it crazy that you can't make a PSN account in Japan, where Sony HQ is located, and where Ghost of Tsushima is set in.
Sony as a whole is there (mostly), but the Playstation brand is head quartered in California.
sure that is crazy, but what is crazier is the DPRK, Belarus, Iran, etc. being included in these lists like it is at all shocking PSN is not supported in these places lmao
@@ravenwraith1017 Why shouldn't it be supported?
@@catfox7854Because those are Third World totalitarian hellholes where they don’t have time to play games. They spend every day wondering if the government is going to kill them for the slightest infraction
It almost feels like the execs at Sony said "hey, all those PC gamers are buying our games but not our subscription service. Let's turn all that untapped revenue into a gold mine"!
And now the PC players are seeing what they're up to and saying "get the fuck outta here!"
My guess is that Sony screwed something with Valve and as long as they keep the policy of linking PSN accounts on various games Sony is liable to be sued by Valve. Steam has a system that flags games that cant be purchased in some regions and it seems Sony forgot to mention to Valve that PSN linking is doing exactly that
I feel that Steam should step in and just tell Sony to kick rocks. If Steam just said they couldn't restrict their games then it would either force them to delist the game altogether or be forced to keep the game up with no restrictions
The gaming industry is truly in hell right now bro
Friendly reminder that Sony always has done stuff like this, but people just ignored or forgot it, since they were so dominant. Sony has constantly been fighting against and lobbyed against crossplay and other clients and platforms. This is just the most extreme action in a very long series of user control they have done ever since PS2.
yeah i remember reading about Warframe many years ago when their devs first talked about adding cross-play, it became obvious quickly that sony and microsoft "complications" lead to that getting torpedoed until much, much later.
Wait, what did they do for the Playstation 2 again? I know most of the shit from 3 onward, but I don't recall anything in particular that was truly wretched for 2.
@@crazyluigi6664 probalby when there were two games consoles that could go online and had the same game. But they needed different servers cause no cross play.
You only mention crossplay, yet most of their games have crossplay enabled...
@@jorochimaru NOW they do, youngster. And it was not something they wanted. They also have closed several studios and are notorious for laying off people.
These companies just keep proving why piracy is a better solution.
Sony should also be looking at the long term damage this could be doing. Do they think this makes devs want to work with Sony to publish their games? By the same token, studios are going to start running from Microsoft (not even specifically Xbox) as well being that there is nothing to keep them safe other than to release mega-hit games that bring in Game Pass subs.
it is always in a companies best interest to upset as many people as possible if they can do so without actually losing significant sales because it tells them how much they can get away with
I have a nagging suspicion Arrowhead's CEO knows the reason why Sony is so insistent on camping on the bad side of this issue (doubling down even with the Baltic countries' removal), and he's either bound by NDAs, stonewalled by his PS partners, or he's playing. If your partner does something insane, your first question to them would be, 'why are you doing this?' The fact though that they're fighting Sony on this, regardless if they're keeping mum on Sony's reason(s) forcibly or not, is the more important takeaway of course. Just saying he also ought to share what he knows from their discussions, ie if he isn't legally bound to keep silent about it. What did Sony say in response, and when did they say it?
Man, what a mess. Wtf, Sony?
Baltics did not have access to PSN so... Of all post-soviet countries only Russia and Ukraine have access to it, regardles of some of them being in EU now.
I think it's also the case that, because Arrowhead doesn't own the Helldivers IP and the right to distribute it, Arrowhead runs the risk of both lawsuit and being basically fired, since Sony could theoretically just tell them to take a hike xD
I feel like it's a situation where if they aren't careful with what they tell people, the studio would basically have their stewardship of the IP taken from them.
honestly, piracy is the best option in modern gaming
PSN requirements or not, why can’t Sony just fucking port BloodBorne already
As someone who played GOT on PS4 and was planning on buying it a second time for my pc friend so she can experience it, i now understand way better the predicament in which the Helldivers community finds itself today.
This is their punishment to the helldivers community
“You dont want PSN? Then you dont get to play then”
Exactly. They're waiting out the players.
Can you even call it a punishment since this is what the pc community fought for? They demanded Sony stop selling in unsupported regions and they did it!
you dont want psn you cant play the multiplayer which is crossplay
Then they ban all Sony products.
Sony: **surprise pikachu face**
@@Kevin-sg1sz Not like I wanted to play with console peasants.
And this is the part where we all just simply Pirate the game - Thanks Sony for making the choice easy.
That's why Sony backpedaling on PSN linking issue was not a victory yet, just a partly winning act. The demand should have been about bringing it back to stores but nooo, let's change our reviews back, "operation cleanup', yeah. If you do it, do it 100%.
we dive together, or not at all!
Not like everyone getting together could change anything. Don’t bother people.
Oh wait.
I don't know if ghosts have that kind of sway most of its fans have loooong ago beaten the game
The fanbois won't like this comment cos they bow down to their corporate overlord
Apes. Strong. Together.
Which of Sony's physical assets do they actually destroy?
It's funny because you _didn't_ change anything.
Oh, they learned.
They learned that if you want to force people into doing something dumb and counterproductive, you don't start on a beloved IP. You start with the ones that won't make too much noise so "dumb" becomes the norm.
Stupid executives who focus more on making their numbers look good is poison to any industry
I think it's clear why Sony did this. They want to put back the PSN requirement but they are going to wait 6months or so till things blow over. With those countries banned from purchase, they think it will be easier to accept once the requirement is reinstated.
Yup. Once country hits about 50% of the base in that area form people that signs up willingly to psn. They're say it requires there now.
I'm pretty sure that they will allow you to get a refund if they try to do the exact same thing
@@beezzarro Steam will, if Sony tried to add it again they'd get mass refunds again, all people have to say in their refund request is that "Sony altered the user agreement, I no longer agree with it." and Steam will 9/10 refund you, that's how a lot of people got refunds who had like hundreds of hours when all this stuff first started. They *might* try again, but I find it doubtful. They're not used to dealing with a third party platform like Steam, it's not just a storefront, its an entire ecosystem, they can't just change stuff like that out of nowhere. It might be their IP but it's being played/bought on Steams ecosystem, and that gives Steam a lot of power because they control refunds etc, Sony hilariously tried to do what they've been doing for years in their own playground, good thing they're not there anymore. Now if Sony made their own storefront...well that'd be a different story.
I think the main thing stopping Sony atm is the EU's GDPR (and UK's equivalent).
Sony has a pretty solid foothold in those regions, but if they slip up, there's a good chance they'll get sued by the EU and UK, and potentially get the game, or even the whole of Playstation, banned from operating within those countries.
In other words, there's a good chance they lose even more if they pull this shit again xD
If they do, I hope they add cross-save. I'm currently playing on PS5 but want to also play on PC without having to restart my progress.
Gaming community: How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man
It’s kinda funny in a horrifying way, the old man won’t care cus he’s already rich. And the guy who will replace him will probably be even more ruthless. This is what late stage capitalism has turned us into.
@@Dan016 Mass civil unrest/societal upheaval when?
Sony lost me 10 yrs ago when they implemented a subscription service so you could play the game you BOUGHT online, i haven't seen bigger bullshit than that in my life. No way i'm paying for that.
I guess is about some restrictions that they have from countries that they do not provide support outside of their platform(playstation) for live service games . Some regulations are in placed for that I suppose... does not make any sense to be hated and loose costumers for just some emails .
Bruh we got Sony, Microsoft, Tarkov Developer, EA talking about ads in games and removing developers with Ai machine learning, Ubisoft shutting down live service games and people trying to file class action lawsuits… yesh man how clueless are these people
Yeah we've already moved to the next stage of being screwed. 😮💨