Who Was GANDALF Before He Was a Wizard? | Middle-Earth Lore
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- Today we are discussing Gandalf's time before he was sent to Middle-earth as one of the five Istari. Before he was known as a Wizard. When he was known simply as Olorin.
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Shoutout to Sir Ian McKellen. There is no better Gandalf
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Crazy to think we almost got a Sean Connery Gandalf!
Would seem pretty off-brandalf
Totally agree
Gandalf is the ian McKellen NO ian mc Kellen the Gandalf
I surely would've liked to have seen Christopher Lee play gandalf. It was the role he wanted, and he even had Tolkien's blessing. Would've been nice to have him play a hero for once.
the 2 blue wizards I have to say really fascinate me. I would love to have an original story about them and the mostly unexplored East.
Yes, exactly! Since the Far East of the middle earth is vastly unexplored and unexplained besides the fact that the people of Rhûn lived there as well as other nations, there’s so much potential to create a story about the blue wizards who travelled there and inspired some of the local people to resist the influence of Sauron and Morgoth worshippers… I like the flashback scene of the non canon LOTR game Shadow of war where the twin sisters Riya and Yukka gradually become the Nazgûl sisters after killing their father, an emperor of the kingdom of Shen;
Him being manwe would be absolutely insane. And almost certainly wasn't the case. Would have been cool but i feel like manwe couldn't understand evil in the way gandolf shows he can
Prior to being Gandalf, he attended VSU (Valinor State University) Majoring in Political Seance and Cannabis Studies...
Still waiting for an old wizard to knock on my door and invite me for an adventure.
I like the idea of Gandalf being Manwe in disguise, but I don't think there is any chance of it being true. I just don't see Manwe having any problem at all with defeating either the balrog or even Sauron himself, especially Sauron without the One Ring. Gandalf was a Maiar, not the King of the Valar.
Gandalf was likely the 12th wisest being in the world.
I did, a long time ago, read a fanfic picturing Gandalf arriving back in Aman after the end of Lord of The Rings to discover that there is no pipeweed to ne had in the Undyiing Lands. The tale ended in an argumenmt between Olorin, Yavanna, Aule and Manwe, best described as a "full and frank excahntge of views". Aule has been groweing the stuff in secret and Yavanna found out...
Fanfic is disrespectful to the author.
Excellent Video…I watched a couple of times to get all the history straight 🤙🏽
😮😮 I actually kind of like the “Gandalf as Manwe” theory. It sort of fits and you really don’t have to change anything from the LOTR to make it fit. You would need more from The Silmarillion or Unfinished Tails to really make it legit but it’s still definitely a cool theory to ponder over.
Wasn't it said in the Nature of ME that some of the Maiar helped guard the elves during their sundering in the Years of the Trees and that Olorin was one of them? Or did I misread the texts?
So did Gandalf always have his fireworks or no?
Haha
He got them during his travels through the south farthing of the shire
He got them from a party shop in the Shire in the old days before the first age of man
the makers of the rings of power probably know this…
Oh, I think so.
I wish we had someone officially licensed and acknowledged as being well-written to write further stories of Olorim, as well as the continued ages and the last battle.
my girlfriend just gifted me a drawing of hers of Olórin, and then this video turns up! thanks mate.
I would love if Tolkien ever gave us a deeper insight into Olórin and Curúmo
I really like this questions mate.
It is like you are our minds.
Something I didn't know, thank you! 👍
CZcams is not sending me notifications lately but I'm glad that I got this one !
Interesting! This is the first I hear of the possibility that Gandalf was actually Manwe, but like you, I very much doubt that’s what Tolkien meant to be true.
"...simply a Maiar..." 🙂
Since Tolkien was all about other people expanding his world, I would expect "I do not think this so" pretty much means that as far as he's concerned it's not true, but if you want to go down that road, go right ahead,
I like the idea that Gandalf was Mandela sp? in disguise but the text argues against it. Take as one example, Gwahiers comment to Gandalf when he was rescued from the tower that he has there to bear messages not burdens. I doubt that the king of the eagles would have responded to his lord in that manner. Please excuse my horrible spelling.
I like the disguise idea I think it's a twist that works if written right
In early manuscripts of The Hobbit, the name Bladorthin was used by Tolkien for the character who later would be named Gandalf. The name Gandalf was instead used for the character known as Thorin in the published works.
he switched a lot of things between his early works and the finalized versions. But it is interesting to go through these changes. I also love how Tolkien always made it seem that he is not the inventor but just the emissary who brings the story to the audience. That really imprinted itself into how I see stories and the characters in them.
Gandalf was a maia, and that's that.
If Gandalf were indeed Manwë in disguise, it wouldn't have taken him three days to kill one Balrog!
Random question but can we have something about the druedain or Wildmen that help Rohan find path to Gondor?
In rise to war mobile game these are called woses , and I love them
The human mind is simply wonderful, we create a theory about an alredy existing theory which is about a fantasy!!! Woah!!!
Dear broken sword. What would happen to middle earth if the one ring was never found. Say it got wash out to sea as suspected. How do you think the story would have played out?
I think he was sent as himself, I don't think he was the Elder King Manwe masquerading as an Istari.
Would that make saruman secretly maker of dwarves, radagast yavanna and blue ones the twin lords of mind? 🤔
Nah, earth vala couldn't stop himself from smiting Sauron down.
He was a leaf or a pipe for sure
I don’t think he could have been manwe, as we know the other wizards knew him as olorin, back in the west. Or at least saurumon did, and I think radagast, as well.
What-if video idea for you to do:
What if Gandalf never fell at the Bridge of Khazad-dum and continued with the fellowship to Lothlorien and on forward?
Mithrandir
Manwe-as-Gandalf is a theory that doesn't work when you think of the story. Yes, it would explain Gandalf's close affinity with the Great Eagles, but honestly speaking if Manwe Himself went to Middle Earth, he could have just marched up to Dol Guldur or Barad-dur, swatted away the Nazgul like bugs, put a chain around Sauron's neck and just dragged him back to Valinor. The most boring story ever. And if you use the argument that he bound himself by the same limitations as the Maiar who became Istari, why would he effectively leave the HQ for 2,000 years to do this? And if he was Gandalf, why was another Istari chosen to be the initial Head of the Order?
No, Olorin became Gandalf, and that is the only explanation that satisfies scrutiny.
Video 185
I kind of like the idea that Manwe turned to Gandalf. But for some reason, he lost much of his power and memories. So he actually thought he was a Mayar named Olorin all through out the story. And Manwe had kept the transformation secret to almost everyone.
Wouldn't the other Valar be alarmed if Manwe suddenly disappeared?
@@fudgeologyfive Yup. But I wonder how far the news would spread or if the Valar would be willing to let that info leak. Travel between Valinor and Middle Earth is already limited to the Elves and Ishtari. The Valar's control over their lands could give them the power to hide it even from its residents. If Manwe were to disappear, it could also prompt the Valar to isolate Valinor even more to make up for their more weakened position. If ever the Valar did guess Manwe's plan, keeping the secret may also have been a good way to avoid him from getting targeted or sniped.
That’s not true, Gandalf is a Maiar, not a valar, what you said is not even close to factual, and the lore itself disproves you, olorin is Gandalf.
@@Mayan_88694 - Did you watch the video? The video was discussing an existing theory based on some written notes by Tokein that Manwe was pretending to be Olorin. And I was giving my feedback on that theory as asked in the video. Be sure to watch the video before responding.
Gandalf being Manwe in disguise is is kind of childish and entirely unnecessary.
Ya he was a something like an angel. A demigod. The author was influenced by WWII. So who really knows. Perhaps he was a scientist, engineer or politician.
"You know, I'm something of an angel myself"
-Norman Osborne
-Gandalf
WW1
Maybe Manwe wanted to see how long he could be gone from Aman without anyone noticing.
Ian McKellen
No, Olorin wasn’t Manwe.
i see why y’all made this video given the unpredictability of amazon u gotta let the people know the written lore
I think that Gandalf the Grey was a Maiar, while Gandalf the White was Manwë in person, like it is pointed out in the Unfinished Tales.
??? Never heard that, do tell
@@herbthompson8937 From the Unfinished Tales, Part Four, II: The Istari: "Who was 'Gandalf'? It is said that in later days ... it was believed by many of the 'Faithful' of that time that 'Gandalf' was the last appearance of Manwë himself, before his final withdrawal to the watchtower of Taniquetil."
@@SaschaBiermanns gtfo that's crazy. I'm not gonna subscribe to that though. Couldn't Manwe just wreck Sauron himself?? Would he have to forsake his powers as well to be Gandalf?
@@herbthompson8937 Well, we will never know if Manwë (as Gandalf the White) would have been strong enough to defeat Sauron alone. Possibly yes, if he had donned the Ring and declared himself his master, but even Manwë would have been corrupted because of his desires and wishes. Alone Tom Bombadil, who had no desires, was immune from the ring. But as Gandalf the White, without the Ring, riding his horse in battle, there he was only part of the distraction that enabled the three Hobbits (not forgetting Gollum) to destroy the Ring, albeit possibly with an intervention by Ilúvatar. For no one (except Tom B.) who could perform the ring was able to destroy it. Alone Gollum's dance of joy outwitted the power of the ring.
Apparently he was a meteor 🙄
I shouldn't have laughed 😅
Gandalf being Manwe has to be the dumbest theory I've ever heard. Lol But hearing you describe Gandalf coming to middle earth before he was officially sent in the third age is interesting. It certainly makes everyone's bitching about the unidentified wizard in Rings of Power even more ridiculous, ESPECIALLY if he turns out to be Gandalf. (Which I still doubt). It seems the show creators actually do have a vast understanding of the lore, since even you and other lotr channels said a maiar showing up "BrEaKs ThE lOrE". 🤣