BMPCC OG vs Sony A7S III in 2023 (I'm Utterly Shocked)
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- Can the BMPCC Original hold it's own against the firmwareless Sony A7S III? 2023 the Blackmagic OG destroys all in it's path. SLR Magic 12mm T1.6 vs the Voigtlander 35mm f1.2. Short movie sequence using both cameras. Vlogging test, dynamic range, who has more cinematic colors?
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Kasey, I preffer Blackmagic color + Sony toneh
Cmon Kasey, we know you got the zv1 m2… Gerald said you should love it… we wanna see you find your perfect camera
My dude, your eyes are so messed up and red from the non-cadny diet that you're starting to resemble your alien t shirt!!!
Well done ☆☆☆☆
I almost pieed my pants 😂
At the "Shelter" scène 🤣
Grtz from the netherlands Johny geerts
I would watch that movie....
Brilliant. I used my BMPCC OG to make my first feature film. Won a cinematography award against folks using RED, Sony's, Canons. Such a little beast!
you can use a 8mm film camera its the way its shot and the subjects that matter in the end
@@fullfunk def, even now and days big directors and cinematographers are breaking those limitations and using iphones, prosumer cameras, and other ways to tell a story. No excuses anymore to make a film.
I think it is in the story telling, lighting and your camera angles not the camera. People have won those on an iPhone.
@@heynow2880 I stand corrected. You are right about that. Not about the camera at all, but the person/team behind it.
@@mjgfromdallas yep. Is the short film your talking about called Sunny? Looks good
"They thought I was qualified to do so" 🤣🤣 You are a cinematic review machine bro, don't doubt yourself.
this is the best piece of cinema on youtube right now.
I liked this comment buuuuut ...I unironically have to disagree and say Lianne La Havas | No Room For Doubt - Blogothèque
You must not get out much
This is peak
The cinema was ours and so was the drama! I was on the edge of my seat! Will there be conflict or forgiveness with the 2 friends and when will we see Karen? Hopefully this saga continues! The BMPCC looked great! Entertaining and informative as always!
Do we see a 200mm spy prequel episode of this drama?
When is there not conflict, when a Karen is involved!
‘Been wondering about Karen myself… too much woman for cinema.
from what i was looking at, that OG black magic was doing really well overall, that scene with you popping up the mountain just looks so nice on it, old tech that still produces a lovely result
Mountain.. love it
The switch of names from Gary to Greg, the name Timmley, taking shelter under a couple big branches just placed on a trail path, "trying to survive in the weeds", "live in the sewer systems", hahah so classic.
Now that the perfect camera has been identified, I'd love to see a hard pivot to the cinema being ours with sketches like the river conflict every episode
the movie scene was hilarious! And the whole comparison was amazing. Blackmagic all the way, the quality was better and had more dynamic range!
damn the OG dynamic range is surprising
13 stops and 12 bit image. Reason i got it originally 10 years ago as my first camera and still use it today. Although use the 4K more so.
As a camera for in the studio, BMPCC is a great choice. Chances are you could probably even adjust image settings with an ATEM Mini remotely and then you can monitor the image as well. Why don't you have an ATEM Mini Pro ISO yet? Then you can create the Davinci project with all the cameras in at once. You could literally input 4 cameras or 3 cameras with a screen capture, that would be mint!
Dude, I flipping love your videos! Thanks for continuing to make great content!
It takes talent to be a one man show worth watching in the woods. But you sir have done it... again!
lol I always wondered years ago what would happen to this channel because the "perfect camera" seemed always only 1 feature or 2 away - but here we are and the channel is still amazing!
the excitement in this video is unmatched...... this has to be a fun time for you. I like to see you motivated man its like that camera sparked a light in ya! love the creativity
I'm looking forward to seeing more from your experiences with the BMPCC. The moiré is really unfortunate though, but I'm quite interested to see how the telephoto adventure goes.
The external monitor is a must, but there's no going back once you get your hands on a BM camera.
12:06 For a moment I thought I was on some kind of survival channel. Great content
These little mini dramas you come up with are pure gold.
The legs behind the ears line had me explaining to my wife why I spat rice out across the room 😅
that original pocket cam, its a legend for a reason :-) I keep a couple in my kit to this day, and I never regret using it as a B or C cam on a shoot :-) (not gonna lie, its most often used as the crash cam, but cuts in flawlessly with more modern 4k+ offerings)
I got a BMPCC back in the day, and my favorite combo was to use the Speedbooster with my Canon EF-s 17-55 f/2.8 IS. You have to modify the lens a tiny amount (no tools required) to mount it, but it worked great - even the IS worked!
Which speedbooster do you have?
WHICH SPEEDBOOSTER DO YOU HAVE???
most likely metabones
More interested in Gary's life than cameras to be honest.
Glad to see Im getting your vids...been a while since you were on those vegie smoothies...Look forward to more...and yes...Ive got a BMPCC with vintage 35 and 50 nikors plus speed booster...Not sure Im using it properly so thats why its great seeing your vids..
Thank you so much for taking up the bmpcc. I am reliving the best camera period of my life!! I have an external monitor for you that I used to use on the bmpcc
Did you sharpen the OG in post? Looks old school GoPro when you went outside. (I have an OG and it’s not super sharp). Also, are you using the log profile?
Looking at your vlogg attempt with the Sony, I'm reminded of your stern admonition Tony and his blury background!!😂
Out of curiosity, have you tested the Osmo Action 3 with the new firmware? The enhanced image quality and 10 bit color science might peak your interest.
Double-click on the focus button, and you will get focus peaking. I used a Zacuto loop on the back for viewing the screen.
Nice humorous attitude in these vids! I personally like to pair the OG with vintage lenses (and a speed booster). I tested Nikkor's, Zeiss Jena's and a Schneider Kreuznach C-Mount lens so far and they add to the organic feel of the OG just perfectly!
Great content 🙌🙌🔥
this video is perfect ASMR. subbed.
Off topic. You so get it . I just watched one of your vids for the first time about youtube suggestions hillarious because so true. I had to subsribe thanks for the breath of fresh air. You make me want to know more about cameras. You do your sponsors proud and thanks.
Great work as usual. Thanks for the show.
Yeeees one of us. I use the entirely plastic and Chinesium 14 and 14-42 kids' kit lenses on mine for vlogging type stuff and pretty good results. My rigged one uses a speedbooster with canon FD lenses for natural look with adequate toneh. Can be so cheap and so nice if you really hunt.
I love it that this video has more veiws than most of the new Sony camera release videos on CZcams!!
I liked the shot where you sat in the middle of the two cameras
"Smells like snakes." Jesus. That's the funniest thing I seen in, like, forever. And it was as informative as it was entertaining. Twenty-two plus minutes and I hated for it to end. Kudos, my friend. Colour me subscribed.
I switched from the pocket 4k to a a7iv for practical reasons like auto focus.
Man I miss that blackmagic image. It is fantastic.
I will say on the pocket 4k the stabilization in davinci is excellent as it uses the gyro data in the p4k like catalyst browse.
Great comment! I wasn't aware of the gyro, this opened a new world for me :-)
@@muesli8848 Pleasure :)
I just sold my A7IV to go on the BMPCC path aha
@@alexisferrenbach let me know your experience in a few weeks. ;) I 100% stayed blackmagic if I still did cinematic stuff.
Was too drawn into the romantic drama insert that I forgot to analyze the camera difference lol 😂
Sony Z-V1 M2 is out and they managed to disappoint again. What were they working on for that time? It still doesn't have 4k 60fps and they even removed the lens stabilization on their, "vlogging" camera. Drives me nuts, at least they made it wider I guess.
in order to compensate the shaking of arms 10:23 you need to put a gimbal between the hand-held tripod and your BM. The arms might shake more, but the image will be less jittery ;-)
Please do more videos. This is gold
You know about colour transform and LUTs... Just play with the free LUT packages from DR and see what beauty you can muster. Colour grading is overrated, no one cares, except us.
This is friggin' hilarious! And actually pretty eye-opening as a comparison it some ways. Anyway, love it!!
ClearViewer collapsible loupe is essential for Pocket. It folds flat against the screen in your pocket - you fold it out to shoot. The side of your left hand holds it in place and shields glare when shooting. Dude makes them for many models
Dramatic movie footage was excellent! The leg behind the ear thing...bust a gut laughing. Now I know what I am doing wrong.
35mm @f1.2 manual FF lens on sony A7SIII vlog with a 3 foot selfie stick that's what I was looking for. Thank you!
you want to get a cage for that bmpcc asap. those 1/4'' screw holes on the body are a known weak link and will start to wobble quite soon, especially with a heavy battery on, it will be annoying and you have to disassemble the camera to tighten them, the top mount is almost impossible to tighten, and they are embedded in plastic, it's a wonder you still have them solid. better to have the cage on it, so the original mounts don't get screwed often :) the lens mount is also screwed on a plastic bracket inside with small screws, don't put heavy lenses on it with no support
Dang. So I was wise to make myself a crude lens holder thingy for my F mount Tammy 17-50mm out of a block of wood and a layer of foamy plastic stuff sheet thing. Need one for my other Tammy too. Sony A mount, no speedbooster, just adapted, stupid heavy but a bokeh monster and zooms right into your ancestors bedrooms.
I thought there was a sort of metal frame in the og. The newer pocket models are certainly mostly made of plastic.
@@uhuhno6441 "out of a block of wood" Only Grandpa has the skills to do that right
@@editingsecrets
I was born at the tender age of 58.
10:13 Laughing so hard, I was expecting Gerald to suddenly walk into the shot, "Are you shooting RAW?"
I work at Scientology Studios and I convinced that little midget David Miscavige to upgrade to the Sony A7S because memberships are down at Scientology and the money is not coming in like it used to and now we can film with only cellphone lights and we are saving a lot of money.
@cameraconspiracies can you link to the power cable from the battery plate to the BMPCC? I want to make sure I get the right one
It's in the pinned comment...
Great stuff. This goes for Blackmagic cameras today as well.
a 15mm and a 50mm have completely different prints. no matter how you cut it
The power on sound effect was amazing!! Love it.
20:52 Since you paid for the Pro Davinci Resolve license, I suggest that you try the Temporal Noise Reduction + slight blurring.
That hypnotizing background music!
Loved the theatrical scene. Great script, deep conflict
What? The rocking chair that my grandfather built? He had my grandma use it right above Niagara Falls (US side of course), and it fell apart and she fell over the falls -- we have never seen her again.... Oh the pain, the pain....
Your Sony with the F1.2 reminds me of those Soviet movies shot on a 70mm film camera.
BMPCC color looks surprisingly vibrant. Was there any grading/LUTs used for BMPCC? Or is it just an in-camera video rec709 mode? I can't get normal 709 like colors with my BMPCC regardless whether I use LUTs + log, or native in camera 709 grading. All of the results always look too bleak.
That plot twist!
So just curious if you've thought about doing a short film channel, some sketch comedy/dramedy sort of thing? Im thinking Joel Haver but Kasey style. Anyway, i know id watch the hell out of it.
the affiliate linked Smallrig NP-F battery adapter plate doesn't say specifically it supports the OG, only 4K and 6K. Did it come with the right cable for the OG camera? I need this, too. Mine is more chunky and never stays in place.
I posted the link for the cable.
@@cameraconspiracies thank you!
The cinema is ours! (But not Karen's - the cinema is not for cheaters)
Man, this sells the og bmpcc so hard.
It does? He crippled the Sony with a very soft lens, and seems to have not shoot in RAW. Take everything he does as comedy because he surely doesn't understand how to use the BMPCC nor make a proper comparison
@@CallMeRabbitzUSVI ha!
@@dpc4548 That's the spirit!
You can get a cheap chinese HDMI adapter for the BMPCC to use any cheap ass smartphone as a second monitor. But please make sure to get a Cage as well to protect the HDMI port of your camera, its very sensitive.
Entertaining 😄With the speed booster you'll gain shallow DOP and light but you'll lose sharpness and detail and the character of your lens. But I guess you'll do it anyway. I'd go Olympus Zuiko Pro f1.2 if I had that kind of money. Good luck experimenting.
BMPCC OG greatness aside, this is the best camera vid on CZcams. You are truly a frickin funny and talented guy, keep it up 😄
Unbelievable!
I had never given any importance to the BMPCC, but this video changed everything.
I didn't expect the image quality of the BMPCC to be so superior compared to the sony.
it way sharper because of lens and sensor size, and ppl tend to like sharp image. It is a lot worse than A7S3.
Also the variable of the lossless (or pro res) image quality of the camera and having a at least a 10 bit image capture (up to 12 bit with lossless) image compression can make a 4k image look like crap to a 1080 or even 720 lossless image capture.
Haha good luck this camera is a pain. Don't ever use a monitor and ur good .. until massive pixel death sets in.
You need the Kinotehnik Optical Viewfinder for Blackmagic Design Cinema Camera Og
I just noticed in my article that my A6000 in 2014 costed 279€.
My GH6 1400€ in a superdupda Christmax deal with 400€ back cashback.
We´ve come a long way. No wonder that this business is going to die.
lol this was great as usual!!
Just like you commented on SAR, Sony took away:
1. 960fps, 480fps, even 60fps
2. OIS to make ZV-1 II. What did they even add?
If I would have stumbled across the filming of the Tinley skit, I would have been more confused than when a photographer at the creek offered to show me his turtle.
I don't really know if I'm looking at this with the correct eye, but to me the a7s does look a lot sharper. I guess if you want cool shallow DOF and a more common look to your shots, then maybe, but the color of the PC looks so good.
That was a fun review! The cinema WAS ours...
That laugh was evil af
This comparison is a eye opener for my next camera purchase newer isn’t always better, probably modification is. For a 2013 black magic camera to put shine a 2020 sony A7s iii says a lot immensely. It begs to ask the question what are we paying for ?
This man seems unhinged. Reminds me of Beetlejuice. Finally a YT'r I can understand! Love the comparison!
If you rig it out with a cage and monitor, you can ditch the battery plate thing and get one of those 3rd party Sony FP batteries that have the little DC out port on it.
What do you mean . I have of and a small rig plate that all of the sudden doesn't work
I had a og bmpcc, great piece of gear, but finding capable SD card was pain, as it doesn't work with SDXC. Fortunately I came across Kingston Canvas (pink letters on the card) and I could do 1080@30 RAW on 64GB card without loosing frames.
Better movie than what is on Netflix right now. The cinema is yours my friend.
What a small setup with the Black Magic.. Very nice for vlogging.. Buy an extra XXLsuitcase for it..
WOW - I am getting into a Time Machine and buying a camera from the past!!
that chromatic aberration is wild on the SLR lens , bro just get canon eos M with magic lantern if you cant survive more without the raw video , small light and can use your amazing 24 L lens on that , speed booster , ouf the cinema is ours
Get the Andycine A6 monitor and you can power the OG BMPCC from the DC output
BlackMagic was able to do something amazing with their pocket line, and that was to put real digital cinema tools in the hands of anyone with $1000 laying around. Before that, it was just getting by with a "also does video" DSLR. And the thought of owning a RED was just nonsense at that time. They DID improve the design and the quality and the available frame rates. The pocket 4K can do 1080p at 120fps.
But where BlackMagic lost me as a customer was their refusal to follow the market trends for indie film makers' needs. While RED, Z-Cam and Kinefinity was making very buildable cube cinema brains, BlackMagic just said, hey, here's a 12K sensor in a bag of flour. And 12K is more than 6K, so ... we good? No. And the worst part is they COULD have made a cube with the same 4K or 6K sensors they were already using, slap an SDI port and HDMI on it, keep the USB-C recording and they would have continued to own the lower end market, even creeping into the middle market.
But they didn't. Year after year, they just updated the 6K and the same weird form factor that barely fits on even the largest consumer gimbals. So after 4 years of waiting, I jumped to RED with all the headaches and pitfalls that come with that ecosystem. Now, BlackMagic is STILL important for putting real cinema tools into the hands of anyone with $2000 (inflation?). And they're buying them. But the company isn't riding the winds of change.
The customer base wants more options. More customization. Building a rig should be what I want. Not what BlackMagic thinks I want. So I went and spent 8x more to jump from the BlackMagic and MFT ecosystem into RED. And I'm not even upset about it. The Pocket cameras are great. But the Komodos are better. And I'm so grateful that BlackMagic exists, because without their price point, RED would have never sold the Komodo for under $10k.
Over form factor? Really? You would give up image character and internal raw (compressed or otherwise) for form factor, something your audience isn't going to even spend .01 seconds thinking about?
I mean I guess a BMD cube would be okay. I wouldn't mind. But I sure as heck wouldn't give up the image because of not having it. Seems a little overstated. The Pocket BMDs in their current forms are still quite rig-able.
Come to think of it was not the BMMCC not in fact a cube design?
Each to their own, I guess.
@@matthewhartman7176 Yes. I would. Plus I don't know what you mean by "image character". I've shot with the P4K for 4 years and while the image is nice, it's the lenses that do the heavy lifting there. Plus, the Komodo does internal RAW, but at 16 stops of DR over the 13 from the P4K.
The Komodo image just looks objectively better. It's a far more professional tool.
And look... this isn't me crapping on BlackMagic. They're great. Until there was something that fit my needs better. I waited... I TRULY did. I hoped that rumors were true of a better form factor. Of SDI on the pockets. SOMETHING to keep me.
Then having worked on sets with P6Kpros and some with Komodos, the choice was made very clear. I had two very fully rigged out P4Ks. And now they're sold.
The Komodo is just a better, more professional tool, for a more professional set. And the footage is gorgeous. So, if you love your BlackMagics, that's great. So did I. Until I outgrew them.
@@goodeggproductions
Shot a Microsoft commercial on P4k/P6K. No one said anything other than, "oh, so you shot this on an Alexa no doubt."
I learned a long time ago that image is more about it's visceral/emotional response than any other factor. Before this realization and like so many others in this industry I fell into the depths of GAS, and watched my finances dwindle as a result. I managed to break free of this somehow.
Since then, I've actually progressed downward, meaning I asked myself if more expensive tools are truly worth the value they produce, and if not, where does diminishing return start becoming a deciding/objective factor.
You clearly like the RED image. I work with all kinds of footage. It's a nice image for sure. Would I put it above any other 12/16 bit footage from any manufacture? I would personally not. This is not to diminish or disparage your preferences.
For me, those tiny nuances are diminished return. If this very channel highlights anything the most it's this concept.
In my view, the true benefit of owning a more expensive package is you can charge that back to the client. But you would have to in order to truly not enter into diminished return and not be in major debt for the rest of your career.
Awesome vid, dude. I was just shooting with the BMPCC/SLR Magic today. I get sharper footage with my Contax 18mm though. I was recently using my Sony A7RIV and even with SLOG, the crap that comes out of that thing screams "video" while the Blackmagic eases me into 16mm art movies from a bygone era. Even with the softness, moire and crap low light, I prefer my BMPCC to my Sorny. And to your Sorny. It's a damn shame that they quit making those sensors and forced BM into regular type stuff that looks more like everything else. And next time you see Gary, tell him you did him a favor. Now he lives at one with nature and has gotten out of the rat race. Like Thoreau, Annie Dillard and Ted Kacyzinski, he just needs to build a little cabin in the woods and find peace.
You shouid try a 6k pro with built in NDs. If Black Magic made a smaller version (gh6, Sony size) it would he an epic camera.
pro lifehack:
1. stick a stick in the ground
2. dress him up in your sweater and cap
3. focus/expose
4. press record
5. see if he makes better content :)
The pocket 4K with the app is the way to go so you can focus on yourself. With either the Pani 12x35, or the Sigma 18x35 with a speedbooster. But the winner in the poormans cinema camera Category is the Sigma FP. It’s full frame and you will get plenty of Toneh with any full frame lens. You can focus on yourself by using a wired remote. Add a cheap monitor, and you are good to go.
Which app?
That was great, cheers
The parralax effect..why the commodore 64 did so well at games..plains of field. Which way to go with cameras now? 3D or parrallax differing focal length shots combined.
Hahaha, I can't think of a more ridiculous scenario than trying to vlog on a 35mm manual lens... lol! Have to say though, the BMPCC is impressive for its age and current pricing! :)
the intro 🤣🤣 WTF
This is the best camera review i've ever seen and you're an odd dude hahaha. In the best way possible.
I thought I was watching Naked and Afraid. 🙂
My favorite alter ego has to be rumpkin thistlehorn LOL
You can make out your hair details w/ the Sony but the BMPCC IMO has better colors and the light in the background looks better.
At 8:30 That 4K Blackmagic original has better 3d pop then my 6K boat anchor.
the battery gauge is useless. I have one for my 2.5k og. but the ability to record longer is great.