Brand New Sur Ron X - 7 Pleasant Surprises (2020)
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- čas přidán 11. 07. 2020
- If you're anything like me, you've been watching every CZcams video possible while you wait for your bike to show up at the front door. Well, mine just arrived a couple days ago and there are 7 different things that surprised me, as they were different from any of the assembly videos I've seen, and up to as recent as videos from just the last batch of shipments. The new bikes have some new tweaks and I put this together so you can learn from my mistakes and save yourself any frustration on day one. Let's get you out riding quicker and safer so you can send it not only today, but tomorrow, too!
If you like this video, check out my next in this series dropping tomorrow with a complete detail of the pedal kit and whether or not it's worth it. I've got pros and cons and there are definitely at least a few of both. If you're on the fence, make sure to subscribe and check out the rest of the videos in this educational series of my journey from day one to...as far as this thing can take me and back!
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amzn.to/2ZIilXU - Sport
Your excitement alone could sell these things. You can tell it's real.
This guy gets it! ^^ Thanks Bo, these things give you perma-grin and it's the best feeling!
6 weeks is pretty good. Waited 6 months for my Super73. Great vid thanks!
Thanks a lot for this video, im definitely getting this bike in the next year and this video will go a long way 👍🏆.
Hey glad to hear it, hope you have a blast!!
Thank you great vid should have mine next Wednesday
Ride safe man thats a cool ebike 👍
Greetings from Central VA! Thanks for the vid, it helped me out when I got my Sur Ron yesterday. Left a like for my appreciation. Here is some info. from my experience.
Hopefully this helps others. I got the Sur Ron X Black Edition with belt drive installed from lunacycles.
I ordered in June 2020 and got it July 2020.
Before I start on the bike I would like to note that lunacycles gave me a face mask with the bike. I appreciate that gesture and it makes me feel like they care about their customers.
1. Keys: Mine came attached with a zip tie on top of the fork rather than the side.
1A. Wires: My battery was unplugged and the fuze off as well.
2. Handlebars: Great tip here, this helped me with my assembly.
3. Front Axle Bolt: So my Sur Ron for the July Delivery had Killah Forks instead of what you have. Yours have small bolts around the axle you can tighten I believe. The Killah doesn't. I recommend using a marker (I have an oil based sharpie) to mark the axle bolt like they did with the other screws. This way you can easily visually check if the bolt is backing out and re-tighten. It might also help to use blue loctite. Also, my axle had arrows on it to show which direction to tighten. Both my spacers were also zip tied.
4. Decals: Nothing to add here.
Thanks for showing off the Decals for people.
5. Sport Mode: My bike also came factory unlocked. I suspected this when I examined the battery wires and there was electrical tape covering one of them. When I undid the tape I noticed the black wire sheath had a hole in it. When I tested the throttle sport mode was definitely more powerful. The limit for EP seems 30 and Sport seems 50mph. For those in the states the speedometer came in km/hr. To switch to mph make sure the bike is off. Hold the red button on the speedo and then turn on the bike. Hold the button for a few seconds and it should switch. One thing I can add is that since my bike has the belt drive, my speedo is wrong. The belt drive changes the gearing so it has 15% higher speed. I confirmed this with a gps app to measure my speed. Speedo said 30mph and the app said 36.
6. Seat: Yeah the seat isn't super comfortable. Even a 15 min ride I found myself adjusting myself in the seat. And I have been riding a mountain bike for a month now.
7. Installing Pedals: This didn't apply to me since I got a belt drive however there was great info especially about laws. I will talk about the belt drive as well. First of all, if you get the belt drive they don't give you the stock 48th sprocket or chain. The belt drive also appears to be a bit of a pain to install since it involves cutting the frame so I'm glad they offered that service. The belt drive will make your speedometer not accurate unless you get the super moto tires as well which was not an option at the time.
So now begins my random thoughts:
Laws: So I failed to lookup my local laws (same as yours apparently) and started kicking myself in the butt. However, I did take it on a nearby bike trail just to see what would happen... And nothing of note happened. I cruised 5-6 miles one way and then back for a round trip of 11-12 miles. This was at a speed of 14-16 mph. No one yelled at me, no one even said anything about the bike at all. I even got a few polite nods from people in the other lane as we passed by like I do when I ride my Sondors. I used to live in Northern VA and it seems like up there the folks are more... uptight? Anyways, I'm sure the story would change if I tried to ride it in the city. I'm curious to see if a cop will say anything. The odds of something happening is probably lowered if you ride in a slow and safe manner.
Regen Braking: So it definitely seems like the bike slows down noticeably even on EP mode. When I switch to sport the de-acceleration is much stronger, enough that I slide in the seat. Without bracing my arms on the handlebars and with the jeans I was wearing the brake strength pleasantly surprised me. It also seems like there is a brake curve. The de-acceleration felt constant until I got real slow, less than 10mph. This is probably enough braking for most applications. Basically anything short of "emergency" braking.
Suspension: So I never rode anything like a dirtbike/motorcycle before. Compared to my Sondors the suspension is way more responsive. It felt "floaty" to me and jumping up and down on the bike would drastically change the height. When I first rode it I though the tire went flat since my driveway has a big bump to the road. I heard hissing air when the front wheel impacted the road and the impact felt extremely soft. I quickly realized that was the suspension at work and was impressed. Again, this is coming from a guy who has no prior experience with such suspension.
Sound: Compared to my hub motor Sondors, the Sur Ron with it's mid drive motor is noticeably louder. All of the sound is around the motor. I don't hear a peep out of the rear sprocket area. At around 10-14mph it's a lot louder. Not sure why. It probably doesn't help that it has a belt and pulley system on the motor to change the gearing. That being said, it is still way quieter than a combustion motor of course. So not a complaint, just an observation.
Front Wheel Installation: To make this easier on yourself, use the cardboard piece that can with the bike to prop the front up. It's a box shaped piece that went over the rear wheel. The height is good enough for the front wheel to have ground clearance. Just put it underneath the motor area and balance it so the rear touches the ground.
Bike Height: So I'm 5'10" and the bike is definitely on the small side. I don't particularly mind it since the bike is seems well proportioned. This seems like a common complaint for people which is understandable.
Front Light: I kind of wish the front light could be turned off, unless I missed something. I aimed it down so I won't be beaming people in the eyes.
All in all I am extremely happy with this bike. It's such a joy to ride and I had to make sure I controlled my smile so a bug wouldn't fly in my mouth. My main criticism is that I wish the pedals addon was better designed so that it would be better for people trying to comply with laws in addition to an adjustable speedometer and speed limit.
Anyways, if you read this wall of text I hope this helps you.
Take care and stay safe!
Thank you so much for your thoughts; this is an awesome update!! Enjoy the ride my friend 🤘🤘
@@bigboytoysTTRThanks man, take care!
Re gen should maybe be hooked up to the braking system. So you hit either brake and re gen starts. If you want to coast then you should be able too which in effect would save battery power in itself as you wouldn’t have to get back on the throttle so soon.
I got mine about 2 weeks ago. I weigh 230 lbs. and only get about 22 miles out of the battery with very few hills. I have bought improved, wider foot pegs, a stabilizer bar in between the foot pegs, hand guards, and a rubber mud flap to protect the rear spring. Overall, the bike looks fantastic and has good power. The fit and finish is very good also. Thanks for this video. Cheers👍
Dude I'm excited for you!! These things are crazy fun, aren't they?? 👊👊
@@bigboytoysTTR yeah they are😁
@@budwhite9781 Thx f/info on distance range for 1 battery. 22 miles sounds right - rather than 50 mi range claimed. Maybe they meant 50 miles with an extra battery in a backpack lol.
@@houseofsolomon2440 definitely😆👍
Good work bud I’ve been on the fence about getting one for about a year now.
mike brookhyser get one! You won’t regret it!
Great video... Thanks so much for all the info and effort to help new owners! Mine will be arriving in "Mid-September"!! What kind of helmet are you wearing?? Thanks again!!
nice vid...Mine was shipped friday.. oh boy........
I had the same problem with my cranks! I fixed it with a crank puller
Excellent review bud. But, went with the Stealth electric B-52..Super happy with it. My friend is looking at this one because of $ ..But, I think Stealth is just a little bit better. Good review 👍
Hell ya lucc thanks! I think this is what I want!
Ill be getting mine in March
The bars are long, because you didn't push your throttle and front brake in towards your triple clamp. Because on the throttle bolts too, if you over tighten they can crack the casing.
One Extra tip for the hard seat....other than finding another softer seat to install. You can buy shorts/underware that is built for bikers and has padding inside the cloth. Hope this helps give everyone another option in dealing with a seat that may not be the most comfortable. Be safe riding and have fun. As of the time/date of my text...my Sur Ron X is expected to arrive in Two more days. I’m very excited. 😊❤️🙏👍
Good job making a good video man
Thanks Felix!
The front axle bolt differences might be due to most unboxing video bikes not having the DNM Volcano front fork.
The forward-leaning feeling looks like it’s due to the pedal position. With the pegs I see this improving a lot.
ABSOLUTELY the forward-leaning is improved by the pegs.
Did you have to install the brakes? The reason I am asking because you mentioned something about getting it right so the brakes don't squeak.
You’re like the second CZcamsr that ordered their Surron in may and received it in July. Oh the agony! Mine still hasn’t shipped. Lol Also at the very end it was cool that you brought up the onewheel, I just ordered a used onewheel pint and am looking forward to that, as well as the Surron.
Wow dude life is about to get SO MUCH BETTER for you!! Holy S*** Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah or whatever you celebrate my friend - I'm so excited and happy for you. Both pieces of equipment are amazing in their own right and I'd say both are game changers for happiness and overall quality of life. Keep me posted on your progress homie and definitely check out our show The Voice of Onewheel each week right here on this channel highlighting all the riders in the community and discussing topics from stoke levels to hardware/software. I truly hope it helps you get a sense of this amazing community of riders, it's changed my life for sure.
@@bigboytoysTTR
Haha I was like, what are the chances of someone that owns a CZcams channel, having both a surron and a onewheel. You're definitely the first lol. As for myself, I had to do some research before finding out about both! Lol. Although, I have wanted an "ebike" in the past, there hasn't been one that really drew my attention until I found out about the surron, and as far as the Onewheel goes, it just looks very unique and fun to roll around on, or "float" on lol. I'm also surprised to see the global community around both the surron and the Onewheel! And that is definitely amazing in itself. Btw thanks for the tips on your videos, cause I definitely haven't seen too many videos out there going over the newer surron, just one other guy mentioned that theirs also came unlocked lol.
Man, so I've been emailing with Luna Cycles back and forth, and it turns out my order was cancelled (a while back I'm assuming). I believe there was an error at checkout and it is still going on man. I switched shipping address, from my place of work to home, and no luck, I also switched to a different payment card and no luck. Turns out that the payment limit needed to be set higher! 🤣 But now I have successfully pre-ordered (unlike the first time).
y'all I just got both! My life has changed!
@@bobbysakaki5989 bro, that's awesome! I just received my Onewheel Pint. I'll be waiting for my surron for another month or so! How do you like your Surron?
I tell u what I'm just here to see how awesome they r I been riding dirt bikes my whole life I gotchu tho it's fast, one plus is I will be a like to use my dirt bike helmet again
Great video. I'm doing just what you said..watching everything out there till mine shows up. Regarding the fork confusion, are you sure that the difference there is that you may have been watching a video where the bike had RST forks instead of the DNM that yours has? I know that they come with both, and that the wheel attachment system is slightly different.
Nice to see you enjoying the Sur Ron, it falls in line with what everyone else is saying about the bike. I haven't been this excited since I was ten, and that was a long time ago..
Very well could be that my friend, I'm curious to see what others say about these when they start showing up. For the record I like these forks, they're doing great so far I was just FREAKING OUT when I couldn't find the keys LOL. I'm honestly excited FOR you Shannon - keep me posted and if you're around DC lets get a ride in!
@@bigboytoysTTR Well mine showed up and it's all I hoped it would be and more. It's right up there with having your own personal jetpack. It's a grin machine and it turns every trail and detention pond into a fun park. Far from annoying the people around you, they often don't notice you at all. The first hour on one of these is equivalent to a year of therapy. I'm in TX, so it would be a trek to get up to DC, but if you are ever in central Texas, give me a shout!
Well honestly the geometry is perfect for a beginner as when I race my KX450F or KTM Freeride EXE I train myself to get as far forward as I can hugging the tank with my thighs, you'll never become a good rider if you don't press up against that tank/battery when hitting berms and turns. You want to be off the seat when hitting whoops and in the long straights. Watch some MX videos and Some Hare Scrambles you will see what I'm talking about. Congrats on the unexpected wheelie, at least you didn't Whiskey throttle it like my girlfriend and loop it then death gripping getting dragged down the field. lol
Thanks for this vid. Just got mine of the same shipment and tried to contact Luna about "unlocking" the bike cause it already seemed to be giving me the performance when put in sport mode. Couldn't find any other answers online besides this. Good to know cause it's super unclear. Guess the new ones are coming unlocked.
I'm so glad this helped dude! Enjoy the ride 🤘
Mine came unlocked in july also
Mine came unlocked. Wire pre cut
I like this sur-ron electric bike.i need sur-ron electric bike.i need so much.
Wow great review and loved the pedal kit video also. One quick question, does the price include shipping costs or is that extra? Thanks!!!
Hey thanks man! Shipping is $180 extra but I'm on the East Coast so it may be a little less for you depending where you are🤘
TTR Studios thanks I am on the east coast also, hoping to get one soon!
Did you also tighten the front four allen head bolts (two on each side) above the front axel ?? I enjoyed your video and your energy posting it :)
Their is an axle cap on both sides of the axle, you should remove them both and loctite them and replace them. The cap I left on from the factory, fell off on first ride, had to get 40 dollar axle from Luna just to replace the bolt. You can only get them out after tightening the clamp screws, or putting the axle in a vice.
Totally I did! Tooootally....(sneaks off to check and realizes no he didn't) - thanks for the reminder homie!!
Front axle , did you do the pinch bolts correctly? How can the axle come loose if its pinched?
Please can u advise what chain to buy that will fit the 42 sprocket and pedal kit ??
Like your tutorial. Does Luna have customer service support ?
Thanks Michelle! They do but during covid its a little slower to get them on the phone. I just might their fb page and get a response within 24 hrs. There's also a Sur Ron Owners group on FB that has a ton of great resources.
reduce the pre load on the shock, lower the fork, forward lean gone
what kind of range do you get, and is the pedal kit worth it. some people say you can't use the pedals because the gearing is to high
Damaya you can get around 35-40 miles depending on how much SPORT mode and EP mode you use (more if mainly in EP). I just released an entire video based solely on "Is the Pedal Kit Worth it?" - check it out on my channel I think that'll really help you decide since the answer is different for each rider. Hope it helps! And no, the pedals are not for actual use, they're simply for compliance to make it fall in line with local e-bike laws. You're not pedaling this thing anywhere.
I want one.
If u stand up on the pedal kit is there any bounce or rear suspension ? It looks like where it mounts on rear triangle you will be planted to ground and have no rear suspension, unless u are sitting down
Hey Nick, yea when you stand there's still PLENTY of travel on the rear suspension. I was bouncing up and down while standing yesterday just trying to get the feel for it. There's plenty of "not-so-great" about the pedal system, but losing suspension isn't really one of those issues. There's some good news for ya! Pedal System review dropping today :)
TTR Studios thanks bro appreciate the response and the video. Will be waiting for the new one to drop. Me and my buddy ordered our Sur Rons last week and anxiously waiting.
I'm excited for you bro!!
Why did you get the pedals? Who pedals this great electric bike?
For compliance. Can ride on bike paths w pedals
There is a tool you can get at a bike shop that will enable you to remove those crank arms easily without damage. Think thread and reverse thread.
Dude I got one and bbn it came off so easy! It's called a crank removal tool, thing was like $16 on Amazon
What kinda trails do you plan on taking it on? Bike trails/Moto trails?
I live right off of 20 miles of ebike rated trails so that's my main squeeze but bike paths are fun and bike lanes are great for getting around town. I'll be everywherrrrrre!! 😂
Can you cut the handle bars down? I just purchased a black edition but haven't recieved it yet. I'm thinking I'll just hack 2 inches off each side if it feels wide.
You totally can man. Let me know how you like it!
Ok i want one so bad im in montreal canada how much for the bike and the shipping?
Which is app for the order
What's the difference between, the bee, the light bee, and the super x?
Hey Chris, from what I've found - the X has the X bms controller in it which gives it better performance...but I don't think it's by that much. I'd love for others to weigh in here?
Good video, a lot of good information, were I live the police are very active in the streets and in the parks, I have to use the pedals for compliance or the police will take the bike and impound them, so that's why I'm asking is, do the pedals come on the bike from China or do I have to buy a set? I haven't put my money down yet I'm trying to get all the information I can before I hand over my money.
Thanks man. You have to purchase it separately from lunacycle.com , they'll install it for you too, it was like $250
Great video man! I need to know what helmet that is the skeleton mouthpeice is perfect!
Hey thanks FuzeCap! Dude this helmet is AWESOME here's the link amzn.to/3izFWRd
Did they cut it for you ??
Wow beautiful and haw moch price
The title should be Sur Ron X begginers guide🤗
No arguments here! 👊👊
😇✌️
How people react is no surprise it’s the same with drones here in au
Bummer brother! Drones are so fun!
I’ve got my sur Ron ion it’s way for my birthday hopefully it’ll arrive on time I just wanted to ask does the bike coke with a spare key like 2 sets?
Yes, it comes with 2 Keys. Got mine on 6/15 it's AWESOME but my wife hates it!
Yup, 2 keys for each bike and they're now attached to the front fork, not in the accessories box.
I’m not sitting on your knuckles buddy !
I find it hard to believe you never wheely before,
Owning dirt bikes
And you could always narrow The Handlebar
True story homie, I did it by accident and held it for a good 3 seconds scared for my life 😂😂
why do you write like that
Hi .The handle bar is not exactly in the middel . fix it again!
It looks really small. I wish there was a larger version for people over 6 foot.
Did you already ride one? Would like to know which Mountainbike geometry it is like. Seems to be between downhill and trail bike. Which would be ok I think.. I will definitely test one.
It's not like any mtb you've ever ridden. The best way to describe it is a 45 % downhill mtb crossed with a 45% sportbike and a 10% dash of dirtbike. You'll see what I mean as soon as you ride it...and can't stop smiling. 🙃
Äh, sit banana style 😎
6’1 and rode it without any issues of cramping.
I already made Street Legal Lights for A list Client, let me know if you need my service
you guys gotta take the bull by the horns and start doing upgrades yourself I mean stop buying everything ,take needle nose pliers to staples under seat pull cover back half way then foam half way , stick a 3 inch wide by about 7 or 8 inches long by 1 inch thick of any foam glue to plastic seat frame put foam and cover back restaple no more dip in seat kicks ass stop giving away your money👌✌
Just a little comment on the seat being uncomfortable, you're right,but this is an off road bike,so the majority of the time,you should be stood up,so that'll save your "arse" 😉
Definitely true homie!! I'm just so excited to have rear suspension compared to my Rad Mini that I find myself ENJOYING sitting down lol
I've been waiting ten months for my sur-ron.
I have not received it yet.
Fuck Sur-ron !!!
Are. You. SERIOUS?? What's the story here man I'm so sorry!
Maybe try wearing padded cycling shorts to ease the discomfort?
I'm selling one of my cars to my dad to buy one I'm giving him a good deal cuz I'm so strapped in my bills that I can't save so I gotta get 1
U can turn off the regen brakes. I did
We need Sur-Ron with at least 30% more power and range , name it Su-Ron XT with battery 74V 60Ah , current model is good for 70kg / 150 LBS rider only
Its only a decent bike with the upgrades that'll take you into stupid money and even then its still got the bad geo my friend has one and for £4000 its an ok bike he's bought a controller and upgraded batt taking it to nearly £8000 with all the upgrades and my lmx p2.2 leaves it in the dirt i was expecting this to have a stronger motor than mine with less top speed than mine but faster acceleration it doesn't . im 50 /60lbs heavier than my friend and i leave him standing on his sur ron have a look at the lmx 161 or perhaps an older p2 model even the cake kalk its expensive but those 3 models I mentioned are faster more powerful and better geometry 4000 doesn't sound to bad against a lot of ebike manufacturers but you'll be better off in the long run getting a better lighter more comfortable and faster ebike electric motion make some really nice bikes also with the Astwoods / danaTM4 motor like the kalk uses those are all good machines
Luna made 100 of these and called them the XX version. They are beasts.
Lol
Such a noob mistake on the crank arm.
We all been there.
🤦♂️😂😂
I would leave the decals off
Totally get it bro that's what I thought too but I loved the way they looked IRL. Tons of great graphics kits out there but it looks so slick just all black, too :)
@@bigboytoysTTR Ya mon...bike looks soo sick...I've been researching looking for the best...I have to check here locally I heard I might not be able to drive sur-ron on the roads over here...sick bike sick video brother nice
I will use ktm decal set on mine lol
Thank you for being considerate enough to try & help the Sur Ron community. 1. Keys attached to bike: I think I'd notice that. 2. Wide handlebars w/cables tip: GREAT TIP, bad engineering. 3. Front axle bolt: I work on enough machines that i'd hope I'd figure the right/left bolt thing because bench grinders are already like that & I use one all the time. Good tip, tho'. "Tighten to spec." means what, exactly? That seems like useful information 4. Bike decals: ??? A whole bunch of "who cares." 5. EP/Sport: GOOD! They should always be like this. I hate manufacturers that assume they know best: give me the full capabilities. I always assume everything can kill me, many things have tried, but I don't want some self-impressed know-it-all to assume they know more than I do, because usually they don't. 6. Hard seat: Yeah, it always struck me as looking like it was hard. 7. Installing pedals: I had no plans to do something like this. When is it useful? I have a road bike & a mountain bike. This is an e-bike, & I figure if I'm out of juice I'm walking while pushing. Does it actually pedal reasonably? Don't they get in the way of brush and small animals? I have a tip for you: I put video playback speed on 2X because for me you talk slowly & provide information at the pace of someone that has all the time in the world. I don't. I still thank you for all the time & effort. Stay safe and keep the rubber side down.
Who sells these In the US ???
LunaCycles in Cali 🇧🇸
www.lunacycle.com
forget the seat ! you stand when riding off road
So happy the they are decals....I don't like them!
Ha! Yeah I tossed mine
Anyone selling a Sur Ron I will buy or swap for rm250 2010
Keep your rm and buy an lmx its a hell of a lot better geo and power
Whaaaaat all the info and we don’t see any riding. 🙄😢🤣
Haha BILLY you know me homie! I'm a teacher/radio host so this is my wheelhouse but Lyle is coming over today to grab some riding footy so we'll have that for you coming super soon. I just wanted to pass on my unboxing/assembly experience so those who are in the same boat know what to expect but don't worry I got you fam.
TTR Studios haha no worries. Looking forward to seeing some ride footage. Just remember “Go big or Go home” 😜😂😂
So cut the handlebars down lol
Dude I'd love to!! I live in an apartment though, not sure how to pull that off w/o a garage or the right equipment.
@@bigboytoysTTR I would raise them up a little
It is quite obvious you never looked at the assembly instructions OR the owner’s manual. Hmph…
Nice bike but it's to small IMO
Im 1.80. No prob riding it.
Never even saw you ride the bike in this video who does that?
Ugh, those decals (especially with how badly they clash with the orange fork decals), awful. Strip the decals off of everything, it will look way more quality.
H8
The pedal kit? Seriously? I wonder who ties your shoes....
cheap small chinese big to small for mosr adults
This is a high quality comment right here folks