The exact moment when Grant Hill realized LeBron James will never be the GOAT

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  • čas přidán 8. 05. 2024
  • According to Hill, LeBron basically gave up on his team in Game 4 of the 2018 NBA Finals.
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  • @jd2616
    @jd2616 Před 19 dny +44

    The media has created this goat debate, LeBron has NEVER been on the same level as Michael Jordon.

  • @77self_made77
    @77self_made77 Před 23 dny +76

    Poor excuse about “broken hand” when he was dappin up his son at the end of the game with the same hand

    • @GEO-xx6sq
      @GEO-xx6sq Před 19 dny +11

      lefraud was clearly lying

    • @userjlj
      @userjlj Před 19 dny +5

      agree, I don't see him having a problem dunking the ball so hard.. that alone tells you he is making an excuse again because he already gave up after game 1..

  • @ChristopherNealBUSHIDO49ERS
    @ChristopherNealBUSHIDO49ERS Před 21 dnem +54

    There is no debate. Period.
    Michael Jeffrey Jordan

    • @shanemoore6793
      @shanemoore6793 Před 11 dny +1

      Absolutely I don't care if he plays till he's 50

  • @munoken
    @munoken Před 20 dny +38

    Bruh he never had a chance to be THE GOAT.. HE WAS NEVER BETTER THAN AIR JORDAN. PERIOD

  • @rushindragin361
    @rushindragin361 Před 21 dnem +94

    LEBRON IS A CLOWN AND ALWAYS QUITS AND BLAMES EVERYONE ELSE

    • @98167
      @98167 Před 17 dny +4

      agreed: after halftime, his motivation just nose dives. when offense/defense is near him & he has a face of a person who doesn’t know what to do!?
      I have to admit, the man isn’t young anymore. Quit, while you’re somewhat ahead.

    • @CB01083
      @CB01083 Před 14 dny +2

      💯

    • @aarongordon4507
      @aarongordon4507 Před 10 dny

      Always? Stop it! Regurgitating info🥴

  • @roderickl9539
    @roderickl9539 Před 21 dnem +75

    Lebron will never be considered the G.O.A.T..

    • @BasketballNetwork
      @BasketballNetwork  Před 19 dny +3

      There will definitely be a strong push to have him in the GOAT conversations after his career is over!

    • @Brooklyn-SOD
      @Brooklyn-SOD Před 19 dny +5

      @@BasketballNetwork 20 years from now, people will still be asking " Is xxx the next Jordan " and most will have left out Lebron's name as they do now with Kobe's.

    • @sheltonwilliams9656
      @sheltonwilliams9656 Před 18 dny +1

      @@Brooklyn-SOD Kobe resume is far from Lebron’s no comparison

    • @Kalou11
      @Kalou11 Před 17 dny +1

      @@BasketballNetwork after 2011 conv ended

    • @SilentMovements305
      @SilentMovements305 Před 17 dny

      ​@sheltonwilliams9656 MJ n Kobe shouldn't be mentioned in the same convo wit brom

  • @justinkassinger8238
    @justinkassinger8238 Před 21 dnem +41

    LeBron always folds when it counts

  • @TheRealMusic4Life
    @TheRealMusic4Life Před 20 dny +24

    Really wish Grant Hill would have never had that lingering injury. He would have been another player that Lebron would not have been able to surpass without narrative and media propagation of the narrative.

  • @justinkassinger8238
    @justinkassinger8238 Před 21 dnem +69

    Remember, Kyrie won the championship. Not LeBron

    • @JohnSmith-nj4zq
      @JohnSmith-nj4zq Před 20 dny +14

      Lebron choked, Kyrie didn't. That's why they won. The same when he was with the Heat, Wade and Ray Allen didn't choke.

    • @jdmintegradp
      @jdmintegradp Před 19 dny +8

      Thank you, thank you, thank you for finally telling the truth.

    • @Rapastoned
      @Rapastoned Před 19 dny +5

      Kyrie doesn't get his credit LeBron was first option they went down 3-1 Kyrie started to be first option had LeBron n da corner they win first ring n Cleveland

    • @BasketballNetwork
      @BasketballNetwork  Před 19 dny +5

      That version of Kyrie was incredibly deadly and clutch!

    • @i.m.6758
      @i.m.6758 Před 19 dny

      That’s a lie. Check the stats.

  • @remnant8898
    @remnant8898 Před 21 dnem +29

    A grueling Eastern Conference run? They went 7 games against a Pacers team led by Oladipo, a Raptors team who become toothless in the playoffs, and a Boston team led by a Rookie and 2nd year player to 7 games. Not to mention, the refs kept the Cavs in those series for most of the games. The East was ridiculously weak.

  • @downinit2866
    @downinit2866 Před 19 dny +13

    Fake narrative. Lebron has never been the best. Good at building super teams in different cities. Stop saying goat. Literally satanic.

  • @remnant8898
    @remnant8898 Před 21 dnem +24

    Actually, you could see that Bron mentally quit the series after the regulation of Game 1.

  • @cameroncobbin
    @cameroncobbin Před 22 dny +30

    The nail in the coffin was when he only got two in Miami out of 4 years with a super team... you can give him the benefit of the doubt for that first year (building team chemistry) but failing to threepeat when MJ has two threepeats ... another way to put it is if you replace Bron with prime MJ on those teams they would probably win all 4 but at the very least 3 I mean MJ won 6 with only one other all-star Bron had two all star teammates and Wade was already a champion

    • @kirbyaugustine761
      @kirbyaugustine761 Před 19 dny +7

      … and he b*tched up in 2011 against the Mavs and got outplayed by Jason Terry and JJ Barrera.’

    • @aloominknottyheadtap900
      @aloominknottyheadtap900 Před 19 dny +6

      I agree with both of you. But for me, it was how he responded after losing its 2011. The way he passive aggressively dissed the fans saying. Oh, you'll never have my life yada yada... Sure, no one has been as heavily scrutinized as Lebron. But no one has been glorified as much either. Just a lack of mental fortitude.

    • @BasketballNetwork
      @BasketballNetwork  Před 18 dny +1

      That Miami Heat squad somewhat underperformed because they were loaded with players at every position.

  • @joelgarcia3907
    @joelgarcia3907 Před 21 dnem +34

    Lebron was never in the running. MJ, Magic, Bird, Kobe, Shaq made people watch the game. Lebron has the whole NBA promote him so people will watch. Yet when we do, well….he just loses. Over and over and over and over. And he’s lazy

    • @TheRealMusic4Life
      @TheRealMusic4Life Před 20 dny +6

      Thank You. I don't know why people don't see it

    • @BasketballNetwork
      @BasketballNetwork  Před 19 dny +1

      How do you mean he is lazy? One of the things LeBron does really well is invest in his career and his body which a lot of other guys simply don't do.

    • @userjlj
      @userjlj Před 19 dny

      I agree with everyone in your list except shaq.. most dominant, maybe but not the greatest of all time.. shaq was lazy but kobe said it best.. if shaq worked out, he'd be the greatest of all time..

    • @robertomarrerog703
      @robertomarrerog703 Před 18 dny +2

      @@BasketballNetwork ehhh invest in the way of epd´s you mean??

    • @BasketballNetwork
      @BasketballNetwork  Před 18 dny

      @@robertomarrerog703 It's hard to believe in that since the league is pretty strict with epd's but then again you never know these days.

  • @rjatom2772
    @rjatom2772 Před 19 dny +8

    The real and long standing question is...
    "What GOAT Debate???"

  • @willstarjacki9677
    @willstarjacki9677 Před 23 dny +111

    LeBron is not even in Top 10 All-Time let alone the GOAT conversation

    • @rep227
      @rep227 Před 22 dny +3

      Ragebait

    • @reginalddennis6466
      @reginalddennis6466 Před 22 dny +9

      Agreed

    • @SubParGaming-du2fy
      @SubParGaming-du2fy Před 21 dnem +15

      He’s 15-20

    • @willstarjacki9677
      @willstarjacki9677 Před 21 dnem +6

      @@SubParGaming-du2fy I would rank him at either 11 or 12th spot. At the end of his career he might crack Top 10 but I hardly believe that would actually happen.

    • @Sure_Sir
      @Sure_Sir Před 21 dnem +11

      I actually, at one point, had him top three. Then top five. Now, maybe, somewhere in the top 10. His longevity is hurting his legacy. The constant whining, playing the blame game, choking in crucial moments, flopping, and trying to change the narrative seems so pathetic compared to the all times greats. Those who allow the fans to argue and decide.

  • @omez23
    @omez23 Před 22 dny +11

    LePed's hand wasn't broken, it was bruised. He has excuses after every loss.

    • @Rapastoned
      @Rapastoned Před 19 dny +1

      It always it his team fault like he didn't put the team together 😂

  • @bobhu
    @bobhu Před 19 dny +5

    For most NBA fans, LeBorn was never in GOAT conversation.

    • @baseballsux2
      @baseballsux2 Před 17 dny

      “Leborn”? You can’t even spell his name properly. Show some respect for the GOAT! The proper spelling is “LeFlop”.

  • @zrocks2001
    @zrocks2001 Před 19 dny +4

    Grant Hill is right. Lebron gives half-hearted efforts way too often to be in a GOAT debate

  • @arroyo3467
    @arroyo3467 Před 19 dny +7

    When he disappeared against the Mavs in the finals I knew he wasn't the goat...

    • @BasketballNetwork
      @BasketballNetwork  Před 18 dny

      That was a poor series for him but you have to admit he had some memorable performances in the NBA Finals.

    • @arroyo3467
      @arroyo3467 Před 18 dny

      @@BasketballNetwork no doubt, he is a great player but I can't put him over MJ

  • @ryckless1
    @ryckless1 Před 21 dnem +11

    We want to be like "Mike" 😉

    • @mozain6537
      @mozain6537 Před 20 dny +4

      And after outstaying his welcome I think it's safe to say at this point we just want Lebron gone 😉

  • @eastbee1034
    @eastbee1034 Před 19 dny +6

    Lebron "EMPTY STATS" James

  • @GEO-xx6sq
    @GEO-xx6sq Před 19 dny +3

    JORDAN.........ENOUGH SAID

  • @zipo1039
    @zipo1039 Před 20 dny +6

    of course not Goat at all .

  • @shaieresmirnoff
    @shaieresmirnoff Před 19 dny +2

    I remember how grant was disappointed with him then Grant lost analyst jobs after being critical of lebron

  • @Defiant6
    @Defiant6 Před 18 dny +1

    I owe someone a MAJOR apology. I got into it with a friend's brother on Facebook about a week ago regarding Michael Jordan and Lebron James. I mentioned how he was still able to get the Lakers to the playoffs at his age even though they couldn't advance out of the first round and that Jordan couldn't do that with Wizards. I also mentioned stuff about how he got to more NBA Finals than almost anyone in the history of the NBA though he could only win 4 of them. He then tore apart my arguments of him reaching those Finals and how truly poorly he did in most of them. I grew up in the Jordan era and got to see Jordan play so not saying that Jordan isn't the GOAT, but I thought with Lebron getting to 10 championships and at least winning 4 of them, he deserved to be in the top 5.
    Now after watching videos and highlights of his career, I can see how WRONG I was. I have NEVER seen someone throw so many hissy fits when things didn't go his way and he wouldn't get back on defence because of it and a lot of times that would cause the other team to score! WTH?! The fact that he also mentally checked out of that Finals game proved right there that he can never be the GOAT. Jordan would've never done that and would've fought hard to the bitter end.

  • @Rainbow6ixx
    @Rainbow6ixx Před 14 dny +2

    Lebron alone was not beating that 2017 Golden State Warriors which included KD! You guys are tripping. Basketball is a team sport. Clearly the GSW had the better team. Even the 2014 Spurs were a great team. They swept everyone on their way to the finals except the Miami Heat. MJ won NOTHING without Pippen and was good despite. I used to watch MJ team members shooting as if they can't miss, while LBJ team mates constantly shot bricks when it mattered (perfect example the episode in game one of the 2018 finals with the missed free throw and JR Smith which cost them a win). All the losses LBJ received in all his Finals, had his TEAM MATES been consistent, the narrative today would have been, "His team mates carried him!" Damn if you do and damn if you don't! 🤷‍♂

  • @paulusrumanouw3176
    @paulusrumanouw3176 Před 19 dny +2

    Hill is being generous! LBJ case already disqualified from being the GOAT since 2011 vs Dallas.

  • @BLACKSTONEPOET
    @BLACKSTONEPOET Před 13 dny +1

    This is why the "f'ck the 90's" trend started.

  • @stebbiej
    @stebbiej Před 19 dny +2

    They showed him the next day throwing a football around😂😂😂

  • @mikelliteras397
    @mikelliteras397 Před 17 dny +1

    Same thing he did with Miami. Wade got them the 2 championships, he quit in the 1st and 4th Finals.

  • @legallinebacker11
    @legallinebacker11 Před 19 dny +3

    Lol. This youtuber is obviously a Lebron James fan. Everyone knows Lebron did not have a broken hand in that series - he used the cast as a prop to give him an excuse - something Lebron is known to do - King of Excuses. And everyone knows Lebron's biggest meltdowns happened in previous Finals Series where he failed to show up against Dallas and against San Antonio -- series where Lebron completely disappeared and was accused of quitting on his teammates. .......... Lebron will never be considered The GOAT. That is something that was completely made up for clicks, views and to create interest.

  • @gn1495
    @gn1495 Před 18 dny +1

    The moment I realised it was in 2011 NBA finals

  • @BonyT2768
    @BonyT2768 Před 13 dny +1

    Couldn’t really care less whether Bron is “the GOAT” or not; but on this question the opinion of Hill-with ZERO rings-doesn’t matter.

  • @PabluchoViision
    @PabluchoViision Před 18 dny +1

    Good video but people really need to stop calling him “The King.” He isn’t. It’s a self- given title, and it contributes to the problem by validating and enabling this guy’s sick self- obsession.

  • @joseyeastwood
    @joseyeastwood Před 18 dny +1

    LeCreatine isn’t even a top ten Laker in my opinion,hell i would put Kurt Rambis over that mf.

  • @SealofPerfection
    @SealofPerfection Před 8 dny

    Facing elimination, you think you're the GOAT and you only take 13 shots? Nope. Gotta go down fighting.

  • @MrEliasdl
    @MrEliasdl Před 16 dny

    This is proof why his numbers don't mean crap.

  • @marvellis6762
    @marvellis6762 Před 19 dny +2

    LeBron not even a clean athlete. Nowhere near MJ levels.... or Kobe!

  • @alejandrobarrionuevo9957

    i STILL DONT UNDERSTAND HOW ANYONE DARES TO COMPARE Lebron James TO 'Michael Jordan'.

  • @SonicBoomC98
    @SonicBoomC98 Před 19 dny +1

    Lebron was never a true GOAT candidate. Him fading in the most important parts of games has been going on most of his career. There was nothing to cement. That Warriors team being the best ever is debatable.

  • @jfearless3420
    @jfearless3420 Před 17 hodinami

    The greatest team ever assembled was the 1996 Chicago Bulls.

  • @wee6801
    @wee6801 Před 19 dny +2

    never ending saga? 😂
    There was never a Goat debate.
    Jordan period.

  • @marcuswalker3631
    @marcuswalker3631 Před 16 dny

    Grant Hill was on course for an amazing all-time career until that injury and its rehabilitation/recovery derailed everything.

  • @GS-mh6ub
    @GS-mh6ub Před 19 dny +1

    Although LeBron James is a highly regarded basketball player, I believe his ranking among the all-time greats is not as high as some might suggest. I would place him somewhere in the top 10, but I do not believe he belongs in the top 2.

  • @AaronPICAR
    @AaronPICAR Před dnem

    LOSING RECORD vs UNDEFEATED

  • @imhong28
    @imhong28 Před 19 dny +1

    Grueling Eastern conference run? Weaker East compared to 2024.

  • @walllee6470
    @walllee6470 Před 17 dny

    His hand was wrapped in his wife’s scarf 😂😂😂

  • @slyman39
    @slyman39 Před 4 dny

    Character also counts In my book. Most of the guys whose names come up in the GOAT conversation couldn’t carry LeBron’s jock strap when it comes to morals and as good examples to our young of how a professional athlete should be … that certainly includes MJ, Kobe, Wilt, Shaq, and Magic!

  • @kagepoker
    @kagepoker Před 12 dny +1

    He's not even top 5

  • @gabrieldarius_
    @gabrieldarius_ Před 19 dny +2

    Jordan magic kareem Kobe Russell Bird and I have Shaq and Duncan ahead of Lebron

  • @cynga6067
    @cynga6067 Před dnem

    Same shit happened in 2011 finals when he basically disappearing in all of the 4th quarters in the series and only averaging only 17.8 points 😮 GOAT? 😂😂😂 Btw, he was out played by Jason Terry 😅

  • @johnjamesleahy4065
    @johnjamesleahy4065 Před 6 dny

    I don't really care for LeBron as a person with his viewpoints but I do respect that he did a lot in the game and I'm sure he was under an immense amount of pressure but the thing is when people like Kobe or Jordan were under a lot of pressure they thrived And that has to say something About LeBron...

  • @user-ld7ew1xo2h
    @user-ld7ew1xo2h Před 18 dny

    If LeBron wants to continue to play, he must leave to China and take his pet son along.

  • @dredey1971
    @dredey1971 Před 4 dny

    Not the GOAT? Why the comparison?

  • @alexlanza79
    @alexlanza79 Před 11 dny

    They created the LeBron case against MJ based on stats and some results, but the truth is that LeBron needs some big names to win and even then he can't win as much and when the wind stops blowing in the direction he prefers, he leaves and in the meantime has coaches fired and entire teams changed to accommodate his playing style, for these facts alone which are well documented, there are many more players above him than just MJ!

  • @gerardoarambula8613
    @gerardoarambula8613 Před 4 dny

    Grant Hill is not a HOF

  • @pellpa
    @pellpa Před 19 dny

    And don’t forget to add the only reason he faced a super team was because he started that super team building idea first!

  • @Mike1122.
    @Mike1122. Před 15 dny

    Poor LeBusto had to play in the tough east for 15 seasons.

  • @kc10lee
    @kc10lee Před 19 dny +1

    LeBum will never be the GOAT!!! Please STOP IT!!!!!

  • @rell3210
    @rell3210 Před 16 dny

    He scores but not when it matters the most

  • @barrybradley5995
    @barrybradley5995 Před 5 dny

    When Lefraud wins it’s all him, when they lose, it’s everyone else!!!!

  • @daveton9033
    @daveton9033 Před 9 hodinami

    cause Nike will never offer any Air Jordan deal to no body, Suck-ups!

  • @willthebeast8002
    @willthebeast8002 Před 9 dny

    God blessed young LeBron with everything, except struggle.

  • @LungMing23
    @LungMing23 Před 17 dny

    Almost as bad as 2011 finals. Thats when i knew he wasn't the real deal.

  • @jig1056
    @jig1056 Před 15 dny

    I’m so fed up of this whole stupid goat debate. The old heads romanticize about Michael Jordan and there is nothing that’s really going to change that. Jordan is great. He’s number one on my list but you’ll be acting like LeBron is not right there. Jordan never took a team as mediocre as some of LeBron‘s teams to an NBA finals and Jordan never played against a team as as spectacular as the Golden State Warriors. Period

  • @paulbacigalupi8224
    @paulbacigalupi8224 Před 15 dny

    He’s not a killer

  • @chiwil2430
    @chiwil2430 Před 10 dny

    He didn’t have no broken hand that’s big 🧢 he would’ve been crying on the court the whole time stop it 😂

  • @Anderson100.
    @Anderson100. Před 17 dny

    Lebron isn’t the goat because he couldn’t beat a super team by himself?? He was literally playing with people who weren’t aware of the score of a game they were playing in haha

  • @DesmondDaddy
    @DesmondDaddy Před 17 dny +1

    I think this whole debate thing is a crock of 💩 by those who have an agenda to make Lefraud the face of the current NBA, and I don’t necessarily disagree. And I’m not sure who, when, or how his lackluster and mediocre performance in those moments that separated the all time greats from the pretenders, maybe it’s a number of sources. From the MSM talking heads, I won’t drop any names because we know who they are, the cult of 4/6ers and insufferable fanboys. But basketball purists have never or will never put the King of turnovers, missed shots, flopping, and complaining in an GOAT convo…period! “The king we all know and love”… really dude? You making a funny…right? 😏

    • @SilentMovements305
      @SilentMovements305 Před 17 dny +1

      They had to lower the bar for the fraud once they noticed he wasn't that guy

    • @DesmondDaddy
      @DesmondDaddy Před 17 dny +1

      @@SilentMovements305You hit the nail on the head. I totally agree.

  • @JayDay32
    @JayDay32 Před 19 dny +1

    I mean Lebron fails in 3 places. His peak falls short of MJs peak. His rings fall short of MJs rings. The look of Lebrons games looks less than MJs game. MJ just looks different, he has go to moves but also had crazy cool moves. Lebron is bully ball but even that is short of Shaq. Shaq was better in bully ball.

  • @michaelhunziker7287
    @michaelhunziker7287 Před 18 dny

    LeFlop played a long time. That's it

  • @user-mx3hu5lm7q
    @user-mx3hu5lm7q Před 19 dny +1

    lebron is great. hes on my top 200

  • @marcoa.sotosr.7973
    @marcoa.sotosr.7973 Před 18 dny

    Air Max 1's are my favorite Travis Scott sneaker !!!! Just in case I am selected I'm a size 9.5, lol!

  • @time4jesus
    @time4jesus Před 18 dny

    I would put Lebron at number thirteen...
    ...Among the current crop of NBA players.

  • @emotionalintelligence776

    Well it aint like the 2011 Finals never happened prior to this. I mean maybe for Bosh and Wade who couldnt believe the balls deepest choke job this dude threw down after proclaiming how many championship, not one not two.... That finals in 2011 and then again in 2018 showed right there why he'd never be the GOAT and why it was amedia NBA driven debate for ratings nothing more nothing less. But hey its just Basketball right, purely for your entertainment with very little Sport or IQ required. Kobe broke how many bodyparts and STILL played and Won, but yall right he aint like Kobe he aint even close.

  • @robertomarrerog703
    @robertomarrerog703 Před 18 dny

    #broke hand" one of the greatest excuse often used after that game everytime he doesnt fullfill or is scare to even play in some strong teams match-ups

  • @bobcrump8105
    @bobcrump8105 Před 18 dny

    I think he has "handlers" involved with the sports betting industry and China that dictate how he 'finishes' a game or series. Nuff said.

  • @unnaturalselection8330

    LeChoke isn't even top 50 for me.
    Sure, he's always had a weak mentality and been willing to cheat as much as possible ala carrying, charging and flopping ...but look at his stats the one year he faced actual handchecking defense.
    40% shooting from a power forward?
    Get out of here.

  • @tharris1906
    @tharris1906 Před 14 dny

    LeBron is the BEST PLAYER I HAVE EVER SEEN. I am 42 years old and have seen a lot.
    Jordan, best winner. No one has all the skills that LeBron had/has.

  • @RobertLegereIII
    @RobertLegereIII Před 16 dny

    “we all know and love”…. Speak for yourself, dude. I can’t stand Lebron and can’t wait for his stain to he lifted from the nba.

  • @antonioladd186
    @antonioladd186 Před 16 dny

    The east was weak it was never grueling

  • @alihakimi1707
    @alihakimi1707 Před 19 dny

    Lebron isn’t even top 3 in the debate

  • @jerrylattimore9232
    @jerrylattimore9232 Před 10 dny

    WHAT BROKEN HAND?????? EXCUSES AS USUAL. 😅

  • @c.anthonyc326
    @c.anthonyc326 Před 5 hodinami

    Funny!! U haters are so triggered by LeBron. It's all subjective man. Y'all talk so bad about him but can't hold his jock. Btw I'm old enough to remember MJ getting his ass beat in the playoffs and in the reg. Season. Maybe, just maybe phil Jackson is the goat

  • @AbdulDean448
    @AbdulDean448 Před 19 dny

    Lebron is really top 15 at best, it is Klutch sports paying people to make him look like he is the GOAT

  • @KeeshanCook-qm8mj
    @KeeshanCook-qm8mj Před 17 dny

    Dog hand won't broke his heart was

  • @Peony_herbabies914
    @Peony_herbabies914 Před 19 dny

    Not everyone can be a leader on the floor and off the floor!! LBJ is an example!! LBJ is top ten greatest player of all time!! Not bad for being top ten!!

  • @tdjakes121
    @tdjakes121 Před 17 dny

    Lebron James is the only player in NBA history the could put up 40 points, 20 rebounds and 15 assists and still face criticism.

    • @SilentMovements305
      @SilentMovements305 Před 17 dny

      Also the only player in history to call himself the goat while having a 4-6 record in the Finals same time having the media n fans saying he makes his teammates better

    • @tdjakes121
      @tdjakes121 Před 17 dny

      @@SilentMovements305 Going to the nba finals 10 times is an unbelievable accomplishment, I don’t care what his record is. There are hall of fame players that haven’t even gone once let alone 10 times.

    • @SilentMovements305
      @SilentMovements305 Před 17 dny

      @tdjakes121 the objective of the game is to win championships. The record books don't care for delusional mindset n participation admiration.

    • @tdjakes121
      @tdjakes121 Před 17 dny

      @@SilentMovements305 How many top players in nba history have more than 4 championships?

    • @SilentMovements305
      @SilentMovements305 Před 17 dny

      @tdjakes121 here we go wit the deflection. How many players has had multiple all stars multiple first round picks most top 75 players as teammates yet has 104 playoff losses

  • @usmc29er44
    @usmc29er44 Před 14 dny

    Not even as good as Kobe

  • @Mr300zx90
    @Mr300zx90 Před 17 dny

    HILL IS SPOT ON GOAT ARE WINNERS HELLO

  • @earnestmcmiller5455
    @earnestmcmiller5455 Před 12 dny

    MJ All day not even close

  • @frankiefernandez9225
    @frankiefernandez9225 Před 19 dny

    Lebron ain’t even close to being the goat

  • @victorsuarez3
    @victorsuarez3 Před 6 dny

    Le Cry Baby

  • @JohnDoeTroll
    @JohnDoeTroll Před 15 dny

    Not top ten

  • @JPHellaHard2800
    @JPHellaHard2800 Před 18 dny +1

    Who cares what Grant Hill has to say he never won anything in the NBA and 👑 James is the all time leading scorer while being a pass first player and won a championship with every team he played for while reaching 8 strait finals top 5 dead or alive

  • @RobertLegereIII
    @RobertLegereIII Před 16 dny

    “Grueling Eastern conference run” against a bunch of barely .500 teams and some sub-.500. The EAST was and still is a complete joke of a conference. Lmfao some goat.

  • @phillipschuman4307
    @phillipschuman4307 Před 19 dny

    I used to consider Grant Hill smart, because he is so well spoken.
    This from him is a silly stupid take, to say one half can tell you something about a player's greatness, in his 15th season.
    Does he remember Bron picked up three fouls in the 3rd quarter, and that gave him 5 on the game? One away from an ejection?
    All of his drives can be called a charge, if he took that risk, he could be out and then the Cavs would have zero chance. The Cavs shot .345 from the field and just .680 from the line, even including Bron's .538 from the field and .831 from the line.
    I remember the GOAT who had put up 49 points and then 63 points (averaging 56 ppg), who, finally back at home to avoid the sweep, scored just 19 points. Dropping his series average by 13 ppg in just one game. He had plenty of other weak playoff performances as well.
    We do not judge GOAT candidates by their worst moments (they ALL had failures), but by their sum total of peak achievements. Bron has plenty of those, too.

  • @MrSlashblade
    @MrSlashblade Před 20 dny +2

    Just anybody ever take the whole picture, this was a guy who round after round, game after game, minute after minute was putting up Herculean efforts. The margin between LeBron and the next best cav the entire 2018 was a canyon.
    You can’t even say a guy like Kobe or Jordan wouldn’t give up because they’d never be in the position. It was a bad second half, but to dismiss him from the goat debate because he isn’t superhuman meanwhile people will excuse Jordan 19 point foul out in only the third game of the series of the 1986 Celtics by saying but he put up 63.
    Just felt no matter the outcome even beating the warriors you’d still convince yourself it’s not enough. Because I don’t know how anybody has that poor of judgment.

    • @TheRealMusic4Life
      @TheRealMusic4Life Před 20 dny +4

      This is foolishness. He's not in the GOAT debate, primarily because of his abysmal Final Record. Can't be the best, if you can't BEAT the best. No, he hasn't been enough - Multiple Times. Don't even need to get into all the other problems. The Finals Record is enough.

    • @MrSlashblade
      @MrSlashblade Před 20 dny +2

      @@TheRealMusic4Life no it hasn’t. You might be too young to know this, but Finals Record was never a prerequisite to being great. No one says Hondo is the greatest Celtic forward because he had an 8-0 record while Bird only had a paltry 3-2 record. People considered Dr J at one point a top 5 player, and in the NBA he had a horrid 1-3 record in the finals. In 2007 nobody had ever claim that Duncan could be in conversations for the GOAT because he was at the time 4-0, and even when San Antonio had Miami on the ropes not a single word was uttered about Duncan being potentially 5-0. Even now while having a 5-1 record (3-0 in the 2000) many people still consider the 2000 Kobe’s era despite being 5-2 (4-2 in the 2000 with one fmvp). It’s always funny when at the moment of years like 2015, 2017, and 2018, after the final buzzer people just look at LeBron in awe and recognize he was the best player in the series, and even try to get him to win fmvp, only for a couple of days to go by and just say he lost as if he was the worst player. LeBron is there when it matter the most, he just goes against greater teams. This isn’t a comic book, you don’t win against all odds. Jordan didn’t even win unless the odds were in his favor

    • @TheRealMusic4Life
      @TheRealMusic4Life Před 20 dny +2

      @MrSlashblade no son. Championships do matter. There are players with MORE than Jordan, and we still consider Jordan the best, because of the way that he did it, and the way his accolades were just so stacked in different categories. So you guys need to stop these pages and pages of excuses for Lebron - it doesn't change anything. A player CANNOT, repeat CANNOT BE the "goat" with a losing Finals record. And I think you're too young to understand what manipulating stats looks like. It's been a big part of Lebrons career, and its deception.

    • @MrSlashblade
      @MrSlashblade Před 20 dny +2

      @@TheRealMusic4Life you just contradicted yourself again, championship matter to the point Jordan with a 5 ring deficit to Bill can be made up but LeBron with a 2 ring deficit isn’t a conversation? You are making an excuse. LeBron literally has better overall finals number, from a 2015-2018 finals runs jordan has no stretch of finals even close to that. Both from them at their best to just overall LeBron beats Jordan. It’s just that Jordan’s inferior numbers are able to get by because he’s only gone against at most 2 HoFers. Just LeBron in his first finals performance he saw 3, potentially 4 if they ever give Bowens the nod. Jordan is right time right place because watching both of them Jordan easily had to do less and produced less. Making excuses for Jordan is what you wanna be old heads do

    • @TheRealMusic4Life
      @TheRealMusic4Life Před 20 dny +2

      @MrSlashblade I never contradicted myself. You also obviously missed the point where I said WHY we consider MJ goat even though there are players with more rings - it's because of THE WAY HE DID IT. His skill set amd donination of the league as a 2 guard, plus being a great defender, ultimately the most COMPLETE player ever. Ya'll can cry about it and stand on cumulative stats all day (that manipulation I mentioned), but Lebron is not the better player. Also not 2nd best. And while rings is not the ONLY consideration, a player certainly CANNOT have a losing Finals Record and be considered goat. It's foolishness. Ya'll can fight it all you want. It's just stupid and it's a lie.

  • @jeffersonbrown4750
    @jeffersonbrown4750 Před 20 dny +1

    Its crazy how being great for a long period of time is being held against him by ppl trying to argue points here😂😂😂.
    He was great enough at 18 and still great enough 2 entire decades later and youre going to hold it against him 😂😂. Youre on crack.