*1) CHAOS:* It is stated that even an attack with as much Mana as GOETIA’s ARS ALMADEL SALOMONIS wouldn’t be able to destroy Chaos. It could be argued that Chaos is weaker than the Alien God since the Alien God’s SAINT GRAPH was stated to be “2nd only to Goetia” but this is a leap in logic for 3 reasons. a) It contradicts the Chaos > AAS statement. b) Da Vinci couldn’t get a read on Chaos’ mana, so she has no way of knowing how he compares to the Alien God. c) We don’t know if Chaos even has a Saint Graph in the 1st place. Chaos is just a massive star with a mechanical disk around it. There’s no reason for it to have an Earthling vessel. Leaving his durability aside, Chaos can also fire beams moving FTL and strong enough to one shot CHIEF GOD Ares. His body is also shielded by a Cross-Dimensional Maze that makes it impossible for people to reach him in a straight line. It took all of Romulus-Quirinus’ mana to build a path for the Nautilus to reach him. *2) PROTO ARTHUR:* He basically defeated Whore of Babylon (the strongest Beast we have seen thus far) 1v1 just by releasing an unspecified number of seals. With all 13 Seals released, he would be stronger than SEFAR (Atlantis Civilization Absorbed + Sword of Mars) as well. If Artoria released all her seals she would be ranked here as well. *3) SEFAR:* If we only took into account RAW STRENGTH, then Sefar would be slightly below AMATERASU since it’s stated that her 7th stage has a Power Level of 300,000,000 (right below Amaterasu’s 387,420,489). However, this PL doesn’t take into account Sefar’s ABILITIES. Sefar can absorb ALL MANA-based attacks. Even if you fire an attack = to her HP, it will just cause her to absorb it and grow stronger, doubling her HP. It is stated multiple times that not a single entity in 12,000 BC could have possibly beaten Sefar. Even ARES, the god that performed against her the best, wasn’t able to lay a SINGLE FINGER ON HER. This means that ZEUS and AMATERASU (who did even worse than Ares) couldn’t even scratch her. In LB5 it took Zeus FUSING with the other 11 OLYMPIANS to fight her to what was “ALMOST A DRAW”. This is without even mentioning that LB Sefar hadn’t become as strong as in PHH, since she didn’t get to absorb the Atlantis Civilization and steal the SWORD OF MARS as she did originally. Even though PHH Sefar was considerably stronger than her LB Counterpart, she was still no match for FULL POWER EXCALIBUR. *4) SODOM’S BEAST (Mature):* Even while in her Juvenile form, Draco had a 3rd Planetary Class Saint Graph (the same rank as the Alien God) and could perform a duplicate of Goetia’s ARS ALMADEL SALOMONIS. In her Mature form she reaches 1st Planetary Class, surpassing even Goetia, and therefore any other character Chaldea has met in FGO up to LB6. Even the combined efforts of GRAND ASSASSIN King Hassan + Merlin + Mash couldn’t do anything to her. They needed to have Arthur arrive with EXCALIBUR to actually take her down. She is lower than Sefar since there’s no evidence she could toy with ZEUS/AMATERASU tier characters to the extent Sefar did. *5) TIAMAT (Full Power):* Ushi Alter stated that it takes a NP capable of gathering all the magical energy of the entire era to destroy the Sea of Life. In other words, *”only ARS ALMADEL SALOMONIS can RIVAL Tiamat.”* Kingu also stated that not even the King of Mages would be able to stop Tiamat. Even if you wanna argue that neither of them knew about all of Goetia’s abilities, they did know about the Human Incineration and the 72 Demon Gods, and they still said that they were RIVALS at best. This would make Tiamat in her 2nd form AT LEAST stronger than GRAND CASTER “SOLOMON” and AMATERASU. The Lion King, who had a deeper knowledge of Goetia’s true nature, as she knew about the temple of time, and even called him "the original sin of humankind" aka Beast I, still thought that Tiamat may surpass him in power. All in all, Tiamat >= Goetia. It is also worth noting that the “Goetia > Alien God > Everyone else” statement doesn’t take into account Tiamat at FULL POWER since Chaldea never saw her TRUE GODDESS form OUTSIDE of the UNDERWORLD which was NERFING her to 1/7th of her Divinity. Divinity being an EXPONENTIAL BOOST, since Ishtar at 3/7 of her Divinity is stated to be weaker than a GALLU (the fodder ghosts Ana was killing in Uruk’s suburbs). Unless you believe Ishtar is just TWICE as strong as someone that gets one shotted by SUPPRESSED Ana, then Tiamat in the Underworld would be dozens, if not hundreds of times weaker than she would have been in the surface. *6) SOLOMON [10 RINGS] (ALIVE):* The Solomon that fought Goetia in the Solomon Singularity would be way lower, considering he was a REGULAR SERVANT. However, while Goetia said that Solomon “as a MERE Servant” was no match for him, he still said that the ALIVE Solomon could have stopped him. Some people try to argue that this is because Solomon “has Authority over the Demon Gods” while Alive, however, this is never stated. All that was said is that he could control them, which SURPRISE, he can still do as a Caster, as stated in his PROFILE. Solomon still has an EX SUMMONING Skill that allows him to summon and use the demons as his familiars, so when Goetia says “ALIVE > HIMSELF > CASTER” he isn’t talking about HAXX. He can only be talking about RAW POWER. Everything Goetia can do, Solomon can do better. *7) GOETIA:* In LB5.5 they state that the Alien God's Saint Graph OUTPUT is 2nd only to Goetia. This means that the Alien God, and therefore Goetia, surpass every single character that had appeared up to that point. This would make Goetia stronger than LB ZEUS (35% of his limiters released), QUIRINUS, ARJUNA ALTER, DAYBIT’S GRAND SERVANT, and so on. Tiamat is excluded from this statement since Chaldea never saw her at FULL POWER. *8) ALIEN GOD:* The Alien God has a 3rd Planetary Class Saint Graph surpassing the output of any other Servant that Chaldea had faced up to LB6 with the exception of Goetia. This makes her stronger than TIAMAT in her 2nd form, and GRAND CASTER “SOLOMON”. *9) OVERON VORTIGERN:* It was stated by both Merlin and Kirschtaria on 2 separate occasions that the COLLAPSE OF BRITAIN/the INSECT OF THE ABYSS (aka Vortigern’s NP) was a threat as dangerous as the Alien God, and that if the 2 were to fight it would be a TIE. Morgan was scared of him and chose to SEAL CERNUNNOS instead of killing him just to prevent Vortigern from awakening his NP. *10) AMATERASU/TAMAMO-NO-MAE (9 Tails):* Tamamo said that if she were to regain her 9 tails, she'd become a threat on par with GRAND CASTER “SOLOMON”. Since this version of Goetia was weaker than TIAMAT (2nd Form), and by extension the ALIEN GOD, it would make Tamamo/Amaterasu weaker than VORTIGERN as well. It's also stated that out of all the characters that appear in Fate/EXTRA and EXTRA CCC, Arcueid is the only one who can POSSIBLY defeat Amaterasu. This means that CCC Gilgamesh, BB, Kiara, and even Buddha stand NO CHANCE against Amaterasu. *11) ARCUEID (BERSERKER CLASS):* It is stated that Berserker Arcueid with her SANITY RESTORED is the only character in EXTRA/CCC that can possibly beat Amaterasu. This makes Arcueid stronger than Buddha, Kiara, BB, and so on. Arcueid would be the first character almost reaching the Goetia/Amaterasu tier without actually being in it. *12) MORGAN (12 RHONGOMYNIADS):* Before they even met Morgan, and all they knew about her was that she had 1 Rhongomyniad & the Water Mirror, Chaldea already said that she would have no problem “HOLDING HER OWN” against any of the previous LB Kings. This would make FEATLESS Morgan with 1 RHONGOMYNIAD RELATIVE to ZEUS with 35% of the KRONOS CROWN Released. When they meet her she proves to be even stronger than they imagined, and to have access to not just 1, but 12 Rhongos, so multiply by 12 the amount of power she already had. She stated on 2 separate occasions that thanks to all the mana she has gathered in her Throne Room she would have nothing to fear from CERNUNNOS. *13) CERNUNNOS:* Cernunnos is stated to have been a really powerful god when he was alive. In the LB timeline, he is further empowered by all the Curses that Britain created through 14,000 years to punish the fairies for not forging Excalibur during Sefar’s invasion. These curses are stated to be as thick as ALBION’s Spirit Cave, which is 400km deep. Albion, who is stated to be the equivalent of a GRAND SERVANT for dragons, died trying to carve through the ground to reach Avalon. That’s how good Cernunnos’ armor is. Since Morgan needed 12 Rhongos to beat him, he should scale above 35% KRONOS CROWN ZEUS who was rivaled by Morgan with just 1 Rhongo. He can also create Black Hands powerful enough to one shot KOYANSKAYA in her 5 TAILED FORM.
*14) ARTORIA CASTER (Alive):* By the time Artoria Caster completed her pilgrimage and rang the 6 bells, her SAINT GRAPH and MANA pool were stated to be equal to MORGAN’s. While this would make them equals in raw power, Morgan was still superior thanks to her ARSENAL (12 Rhongomyniads & Camelot Mystic Code) + skill + experience. When Artoria travels to Avalon she absorbs EXCALIBUR’s ESSENCE, becoming stronger than before, and can create Anti-Purge defenses able to block Melusine’s Dragon Rays. During the battle with Cernunnos, she acquires the 12 Rhongomyniads as well. While she can’t use them the way Morgan intended (the Spirit Vein Obstruction - Rhongomyniad ritual), she is able to use them in her own personalized ritual by mixing them with Excalibur’s essence (Dragon Vein Incineration - Excalibur). She does die using them, however, it should be noted that she was already on the verge of death when she used them since she had attempted to use them previously the way Morgan had configurated them. Even in this state, she managed to evaporate 90% of Cernunnos curses and expose his core. As a Servant, Artoria becomes her “IDEAL FUTURE SELF” and by default, way stronger than normal. While this makes her Stronger than Morgan, that’s only BASE TO BASE, since Artoria in that form no longer has the 12 Rhongos. Some people argue that she does have them because in her animation she has multiple blue spikes, however, they have a different design than the Rhongomyniads, and she calls them “CARNEWAN” (a dagger King Arthur had in myth) so there’s no evidence they are Rhongomyniads. (There aren’t even 12 of them.) Her not having them is backed up by Feats since she needed help from Super Mash to defeat OBERON in a CQC fight. If she had the 12 Rhongos she would have just one shotted him. Until we get a Material saying Servant Caster has the spears, ALIVE Caster is the strongest version we have seen from her. *15) ZEUS (35% Kronos Crown):* Before Chaldea even met ZEUS and learned about the KRONOS CROWN, they already speculated that he’d be “ENTIRE ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE” above Arjuna Alter. Furthermore, when Zeus activates 35% of the Kronos Crown, his output increases over “3 Orders of Magnitude”. This would mean that Kronos Crown Buffed Zeus is over 1,000 TIMES stronger than the FEATLESS Zeus that was already believed to be stronger than Arjuna Alter. :/ MORGAN with just 1 Rhongomyniad was stated to rival him. It’s sad we never got to see Zeus use his NP, as he could likely be higher, however, based on what we have seen, this is as far as he gets. *16) KOYANSKAYA (6 Tailed Form):* In her 5 Tailed Form, Koyanskaya was already stated to be as powerful as a MATURE BEAST, and the Counter Force reacted to her presence by summoning GRAND ARCHER SUPER ORION to fight her. It is stated that in this form she could blow up the ENTIRE GREEK LOSTBELT if she wanted to. In her 6 Tailed form, she becomes way stronger (likely 9 Times more Powerful going by Tamamo-no-Mae’s materials), however, she would still be no match for AMATERASU/9 TAILED TAMAMO, as Koyanskaya stated that even if she gained 7 Tails she wouldn’t surpass the original 9 Tailed Fox. Her original plan was to gain 9 Tails to actually pull that off. *17) ROMULUS-QUIRINUS:* It is stated that Quirinus wields power on par with the “Thunderbolts wielded by Zeus” however we also know that he was stronger than Jupiter back in PHH (aka Divine Spirit Zeus) and weaker than 35% Kronos Crown Zeus, since his NP did almost nothing to Zeus, and he needed help from ARES + MASH’s BLACK BARREL + a bunch of servants to actually beat him. The only version of Zeus that could possibly fit the “LB Zeus (35% Kronos Crown) > Quirinus = Zeus (???) > Jupiter (Divine Spirit)” scale would be LB Zeus WITHOUT the Kronos Crown. This would make Quirinus 100 TIMES STRONGER than ARJUNA ALTER but 1,000 TIMES WEAKER than 35% Kronos Crown Zeus which is consistent with his feats. This makes sense since the original plan of Chaldea was to summon a Grand Servant powerful enough to fight MACHINE GOD Zeus (before he activated the Kronos Crown). *18) KIRSCHTARIA WODIME (Sirius Light):* He created a Barrier capable of blocking MORGAN’s RHONGOMYNIAD, and his Anima Animusphere NP is stated to be easily as powerful as ARTEMIS’ NP or a LIGHTNING BOLT from TERMINAL ZEUS. In fact, he defeated Terminal Zeus in a 1v1 fight, making Zeus acknowledge him as his FRIEND and someone EQUAL to him in POWER. Odysseus also believed that no one in Olympus could beat him, and DEMETER worried that he had the power necessary to destroy her true body. With the SIRIUS LIGHT, his power would be increased drastically, however, it wasn’t still powerful enough to scratch the ALIEN GOD. *19) ARJUNA ALTER:* Arjuna Alter is considered by Goredolf to be the strongest villain they had fought up to LB5. This would make him stronger than SURTR and KAMA/MARA. However, compared to people higher on the list like Quirinus, Zeus, or Amaterasu, he becomes more akin to a Mosquito flying around the big boys. *20) BUDDHA:* Buddha has raw power on par with CCC Kiara, who could have killed CCC Gilgamesh with a wave of her hand. In terms of Arsenal, Budhha is really strong too. He can tank Anti-World attacks as long as his opponent doesn't have divinity, and he is also immune to mental corruption-like abilities. He also has a skill that reduces the parameters of his opponents by 2 ranks (only 1 if you are an Anti Hero). VAIROCANA (the Chief God of the Buddhist Pantheon) was stated by Musashi to be on par with TERMINAL ZEUS, so REGULAR Buddha being higher on the list doesn’t make sense. *21) CCC KIARA:* She is the result of absorbing BB, the Moon Cell, AI Sakura, Meltryllis, and Passionlip. She could have killed CCC Gilgamesh (empowered by the Mythological Mystic Code) with a wave of her hand by teleporting him into another realm and destroying it right after if she wanted to. However, she was defeated because all the people she had absorbed were in love with the protagonist, and thus fought back from the inside to stop her, preventing her from using her abilities against Gilgamesh during their fight. She is a True Demon on par with Buddha, but it is stated that due to being unable to counter Buddha's skills, she would stand no chance against him. *22) LION KING (CAMELOT CITY & TOWER RHONGOMYNIAD):* She rivals King Hassan in CQC + She can create mana barriers able to block multiple shots from Ozymandias’s Dendera + the walls of the Camelot City (which is actually her NP Rhongomyniad) are a duplicate of Mash’s LORD CAMELOT. They can block ANY ATTACK without taking A SINGLE SCRATCH as long as the attack has malicious/killing intent. Only someone like Xuanzang or Ozymandias who wanted to SAVE but not to DESTROY could blow up the gate. If you fail to destroy the walls + the mana barriers + her tower, she’ll successfully manifest TOWER Rhongomyniad, which results in a massive Anti-World attack on par with Surtr’s fire sword which killed TRUE GOD Odin and the rest of the Norse gods. Even without the castle or the tower, she still has the HOLY JUDGEMENT, a weaker version of Rhongomyniad she can perform more casually. It still surpasses in mana the strongest NPs possessed by servants THOUSANDS of times. Arash was able to block it with Stella despite being weaker than Ozy because Stella has the property of “ending all conflicts.” *23) SURTR:* Surtr’s strongest attack is on par with Rhongomyniad. He can also survive half of his head being blown up via regeneration, and he has access to death runes just like Scathach-Skadi. He easily scales above the average TRUE GODS, since he destroyed the 9 realms and killed ODIN and other gods during Ragnarok, however, he doesn’t have such a wide arsenal as the Lion King. *24) ARES-MARS:* Ares easily scales above the BB and CCC Gil because SABER VENUS (who is just Nero + Aphrodite + Photon Ray) could destroy the Ark of the Stars core, an object on par with the Moon Cell’s core. Since Ares is way stronger than Aphrodite (Hades’ Authority could vaporize Golden Huge Bear, who is as physically strong as Aphrodite, but it did nothing to Ares), Ares should be considerably higher than Saber Venus. The Ares we see in LB5 is actually stronger than the original since he is summoned with his Authority as a Roman CHIEF GOD along with his own MACHINE Body. He was able to react to CHAOS’ Beams moving FTL, but he wasn’t durable enough to tank them and was instantly vaporized. *25) KING HASSAN:* King Hassan is stated to rival the Lion King, but those statements don't take into account both of them with their FULL ARSENALS since they hadn't used them yet. King Hassan's best feat is using ALL THE POWER in his Grand level Saint Graph to grant Tiamat the "concept of death". This attack not only made her mortal but severed her wings and reduced her own Saint Graph's pattern to that of a regular Servant. Does that mean King Hassan scales to Tiamat? Not at all. Although Tiamat transformed into her strongest form in the UNDERWORLD, the Underworld was still WEAKENING her. The debuff was so great, Jaguar Man stated Tiamat was at her WEAKEST POINT. Merlin then shows up and turns the Sea of Life into flowers, which not only "DRAINED HER POWER" even further, but also returned the Underworld's control to Ereshkigal, allowing her to weaken Tiamat even more. It is then that King Hassan shows up. The version of Tiamat King Hassan fought was not only EXTREMELY WEAKENED, but it was even weaker than when she fought Quetzalcoatl and Kingu by a long shot, so King Hassan has nowhere near the firepower necessary to kill those above him on the list.
*26) SUPER ORION:* Even without using his Grand Servant powers, his bow made by Hephaestus was so strong that it took 2 blasts from Artemis’s NP to block Orion Horkos. The same Artemis who was stated to be on par with Wodime’s NP. Super Orion’s final NP was also stated to have power and speed “unlike the world had ever seen,” and it not only overpowered Artemis’s NP, but also killed her in a single shot. His 3rd NP likely surpasses Ares’ and King Hassan’s firepower, but they are just either too fast or haxxed for Orion. Hassan would just teleport and destroy him in CQC. *27) ARTEMIS:* Her NP can destroy planets. 2 blasts from her NP were powerful enough to kill Heracles BUFFED by all the Casters summoned by the Counter Force in LB5. Even though Medea BY HERSELF can already buff REGULAR HUMANS (aka Kuzuki) into servant tier fighters, Heracles buffed by not only Medea, but many other Casters + the FAME BOOST did absolutely nothing to her. It is stated that if it hadn’t been for Herc’s sacrifice she would have killed everyone with a single blast. Meaning Artemis can solo dozens of servants with 1 hit. Her durability is even more impressive. Even though Super Orion’s Orion Horkos was 2 times stronger than Artemis’s NP, a direct hit from Orion Horkos was still not enough to take her down, meaning Artemis can take multiple blasts from PLANET BUSTING NPs and keep going as if nothing had happened. This, along with her firepower, ability to spam her NP at least 5 times, long-range, and MIND CONTROL abilities makes her a fearsome fighter. *28) NERO (SABER VENUS):* This is Nero after absorbing the goddess VENUS/APHRODITE and wielding the NP of the GOD OF WAR MARS/ARES. We know that this form is above the MYTHOLOGICAL MYSTIC CODE since Nero said that even with that powerup, she wouldn’t be able to fight the ARK OF THE STARS (aka the UMBRAL STAR/VELBER’s “cockpit”), whereas in this form she ONE SHOTTED it with her NP. This puts Saber Venus a tier above BB/MMC level characters. When Archimedes analyzed Saber Venus stats, he said that the ARK’S core, which is on par with the MOON CELL CORE, would be able to stop her ultimate attack with a multidimensional barrier, however, due to the “POWER OF LOVE” adapting to dire situations, her NP was able to destroy it. *29) BB (Moon Cell Absorbed):* Even in her weakest form, a FGO Servant, BB is stated to be comparable to BEAST III KIARA, and despite having been partially suppressed by Kiara, she still believed that she could beat her if they had help from another AI as strong as BB herself. In CCC, BB is even stronger, since she had fused with the Far Side of the Moon Cell + the MOON CELL CORE. In this form, even CCC GILGAMESH EMPOWERED by the MYTHOLOGICAL MYSTIC CODE only stands a 0.9999% Chance of Victory against her. They needed to buff Gilgamesh even further with the School Building Resources for him to actually beat BB. *30) CCC SERVANTS empowered by the MYTHOLOGICAL MYSTIC CODE (GILGAMESH, NERO, EMIYA, or TAMAMO depending on the PLAYER’S PREFERENCES):* I put all 4 of these characters together since they have the EXACT SAME FEATS and STATEMENTS. They are CONFIRMED to be weaker than SABER VENUS. They are also CONFIRMED to be weaker than KIARA, as she only lost to them cause she couldn’t use her “OMNIPOTENCE” at the time. Furthermore, the only reason they managed to defeat BB (MOON CELL CORE ABSORBED) is that they also had the SUPPORT of the SCHOOL BUILDING RESOURCES at the time. It is stated that in a 1v1 with no outside help, they would only stand a 0.9999% CHANCE of defeating her. *31) BEAST KIARA & KAMA/MARA:* During the Tokugawa event, Kiara stated that if she were to transform into her Beast counterpart she could defeat BEAST Kama. However, since Kama further evolves after that was stated, I’d say they are about on par. Kama can’t be stronger than Kiara cause she said she could only surpass Kiara if she managed to defeat Ritsuka. Since she lost, she can only be Kiara’s equal at best. BEAST Kiara is about RELATIVE to Servant BB (which doesn’t have the Moon Cell’s support). It is also stated that BEAST Kiara is an “existence” inferior to her CCC counterpart. Although it is stated that Kiara could easily defeat 100 servants, Arjuna Alter was also considered more powerful than Kama/Mara. *32) KAZURADROP:* Just like BB in CCC, Kazuradrop is trying to reach the Moon Cell core to fuse with it. Since she hasn’t been able to overpower the Moon Cell’s defenses yet, that means that AT BEST, Kazuradrop can only be as strong as BB was BEFORE she fused with the Core. This would make Kazuradrop a RIVAL to Beast III Kiara give or take. *33) ASHTART ORIGIN:* 7 servants working together managed to defeat her. Although Calamity Jane did reveal the exact plan they had to follow to do so, at the end of the day they pulled it off. Firing Sigurd’s NP at her Saint Graph was enough to take her down. An attack that wouldn’t even have scratched people higher on the list defeated Ashtart. Ashtart Origin can indeed destroy a galaxy, but it takes her months to do so. Regular servants have also been shown reacting and blocking her attacks, so in all actuality, even if Ashtart Origin has higher raw power than 90+% of the people on this list, she’s just getting speed blitzed by Grand tier characters, and she doesn’t have enough durability to survive Anti-Planet NPs. Kazuradrop’s TRASH & CRUSH would fuck her up, Kama’s INFINITE CLONES or Kiara’s INFINITE DEMON GODS would overwhelm her, King Hassan would teleport and fuck up her Saint Graph, and Ares/CCC Gil would speed blitz her at FTL Speeds. Overall, she doesn’t have feats that would make me believe she can beat anyone higher than her on the list. *34) ASHIYA DOUMAN (Ibuki Absorbed):* During LB5.5, Ashiya Douman has the Fantasy Tree Mandala absorb Ibuki Douji, and then he “fuses” with the Tree itself, immediately gaining more mana than Ibuki originally had. In this form, his power is stated to be on par with the Highest Divine Standing, due to all the Gods he has absorbed. It took Golden Huge Bear empowered by several Command Spells and wielding Ibuki’s Kusanagi to cut down the Tree and weaken Douman enough so that Raikou + Shuten + Ibaraki + Tsuna + Danzou could kill him. Because he doesn’t have many other feats, this is as high as I can rank him. *35) IBUKI DOUJI:* Ibuki Douji’s Magical Energy is stated to be LOSTBELT KING/MACHINE GOD Level. Her mana is so dense it can create a great pressure around her body, forcing everyone who comes near her to Kneel before her. Golden Huge Bear powered by Command Spells was strong enough to cut down a Fantasy Tree wielding Ibuki’s NP, so it would be logical to assume that Ibuki would be on that same tier of power when she uses her NP. During the Tunguska Event, they fight a WEAKENED Version of SURTR who didn’t even use his Anti-World NP. Despite this, it took Ibuki + a group of servants to beat him, and Ibuki states if she had faced the real Surtr she might have fallen in love. Later on, they fight 5 TAILED KOYANSKAYA and they are completely overwhelmed by her. All in all, Ibuki doesn’t have a single feat scaling her above any of the people higher on the list. *36) DEMETER:* Demeter’s NP is so strong even Mash BUFFED by Athena Klironomia wouldn’t be able to block it more than 3 times in a row. Considering a weaker Mash could block Ivan the Terrible’s strongest attack Twice in a row the very 1st time she used the Ortinax, it goes to show how high Demeter scales compared to Ivan. Demeter is also gifted with Insane Regeneration that can only be countered by Gods with Authority over the Land. *37) KINGPROTEA:* She was defeated by WEAKENED Kazuradrop. In fact, Kazuradrop was so fatigued that she couldn’t use her FAKE BB avatar (which has 5/8ths of BB’s strength), nor use her full abilities. Despite Kazuradrop stating that she has BAD COMPATIBILITY with Kingprotea, she still defeated her. Therefore, Kingprotea being tied with BB (like I’ve seen on multiple lists) is madness. She COULD POTENTIALLY grow that strong OVERTIME if she was given A LOT of PREP TIME, but at her peak showings, she was never that strong. It’s been stated several times that she hasn’t become a planet-level threat, so all those that scale to people like Artemis should have no problem taking her down. FGO Kingprotea believes she can beat FGO Kiara if she pushes herself beyond her limits, however, that statement is referring to ALTER EGO KIARA, the same Kiara that was implied by the SF Author to be on par with Counter Force Boosted ENKIDU (who is weaker than Thia Escardos). It’s also FGO Protea we are talking about who is drastically nerfed due to not being in the Moon Cell. All in all, “FGO Protea >= ALTER EGO Kiara” doesn’t remotely imply “FULL POWER Protea > BEAST Kiara/BB”. *38) QIN SHI HUANG:* He has a GRAND SERVANT Level Saint Graph. The Crazy thing is that he gained such a level on a whim with a PUPPET BODY that wasn't even his strongest asset. He has access to sage arts able to "SEAL AWAY" gods which he used to seal Tamamo Vitch's Saint Graph. Tamamo Vitch states in LB4 that no human/heroic spirit other than Qin Shi Huang should stand any chance at beating her, so this means that at least in the first 3 Lostbelts there's been no "human"/heroic spirit stronger than Qin. He also has defense countermeasures designed to fight Alien threats. He would likely be higher if we had seen him actually go all out.
*39) SCATHACH-SKADI:* Skadi is a TRUE GODDESS, and therefore easily above Divine Spirit level. She was way stronger than Sigurd possessed by Surtr, and it wasn’t until Surtr unlocked Sigurd’s final ascension that Mash stated his sword Gram had become stronger than anything they had seen previously on LB2. However, it’s important to remember Skadi was extremely weakened at the time since all her mana was being used to maintain the snow in the LB suppressing Surtr's flames. She can create rune barriers that helped Sigurd block Surtr's sword, despite mash not being able to do it on her own. She has access to death runes she can summon even on the brink of death. This is without mentioning that she can evolve her saint graph to unlock her final ascension at any moment she wishes, which would boost her abilities exponentially. Against people like Meltryllis, Quetzalcoatl (50%), and Ivan she can just block their NPs with barriers and then restrain/kill them with runes after they become fatigued. *40) ERESHKIGAL (IN THE UNDERWORLD): The reason Ereshkigal is ranked INSIDE THE UNDERWORLD is that she has 2 skills that allow her to RECREATE the Underworld anywhere she goes. Although in terms of RAW POWER Ereshkigal is slightly below Ishtar, inside her domain she is almost unbeatable. The underworld reduces all gods/Servants to 1/7th of their Authority/Divinity, and Authority, for those of you who don’t know, is an EXPONENTIAL BOOST. Ishtar at 5/7th of her Authority is “LOW RANKING Divine Spirit Level” and at 3/7, she becomes weaker than a GALLU (the fodder ghosts Ana was killing in Uruk’s suburbs). Even Quetzalcoatl was defeated by Ereshkigal in one of the Christmas events. Ereshkigal wouldn’t be able to defeat Skadi since skadi can also summon her own territory to suppress the underworld, and even on the brink of death she still had access to Death Runes that could have killed Mash if she wanted to. *41) SUPER KARNA:* Super Karna is just Karna + a fraction of Shiva and Vishnu, as opposed to Arjuna Alter who is Arjuna + ALL THE INDIAN GODS. Lakshmibai stated that she wasn't sure if Super Karna would be powerful enough to defeat Arjuna Alter, despite Arjuna being EXTREMELY WEAKENED at the time. This is BEFORE Arjuna absorbed the mana of the Fantasy Tree, which made him even WEAKER. Although the tree certainly gave Arjuna a ton of mana, it was at the cost of LOSING ALL HIS AUTHORITY over the Indian Lostbelt, since a Divine Spirit that turns their back on the people that worship him to fight to rely on the power from another world can't wield Authority over the Earth. If it is questionable whether Karna can beat weakened Arjuna, Karna being above FULL POWER Arjuna, or even close to him is silly. Super Karna doesn't even scale to a weakened Mahapralaya, since Arjuna never used his NP during their fight. Just like Diarmuid fighting on par with Artoria in CQC doesn't mean he can nuke Heracles and kill him 12 times, Super Karna being SLIGHTLY above WEAKENED Arjuna Alter WITHOUT his NP doesn't make him anywhere near FULL POWER Arjuna Alter level. Those above Super Karna in the list would simply nuke him. *42) THIA ESCARDOS:* Thia Escardos used his 1st NP against Enkidu, and despite Enkidu being BOOSTED by the Counter Force at the time, his ENUMA ELISH couldn’t still block it completely. A fraction of the NP that got past Enkidu’s NP destroyed Gugalanna’s Horn. Thia Escardos still has yet to use his Main NP so he’ll likely move higher on the list in the future. *43) GUGALANNA:* He was repelled by Gilgamesh + Enkidu (Gilgamesh didn’t use Ea). Furthermore, it has never been stated that they managed to kill him. Gugalanna surviving the fight is backed up by the events of Strange Fake/FGO, where SF Ishtar STEALS FGO Ishtar’s Gugalanna. Gugalanna in Babylonia was the real thing, not a fake copy created through Ishtar’s servant manifestation. The Bull was so OP that even the Mesopotamian gods couldn’t tame it, and it was also believed it would be able to hold back TIAMAT for a day, whereas Quetzalcoatl at 50% didn’t believe she stood any chance against her. A fraction of Thia Escardos’ NP was powerful enough to destroy its horn. *44) IVAN THE TERRIBLE:* Just him slamming his trunk on the ground is comparable to an Anti-Army NP, and Gilgamesh says that he's so big he rivals Gugalanna. Although the Crypters had initially stated that his Saint Graph is on par with that of a Divine Spirit, when he finally awakens, Kadoc says that he is WAY STRONGER than he had imagined. Musashi, who can see multiple possibilities with her Mystic Eye, stated that she had a 0% chance of beating him. Even with Avicebron's age of Gods level Adam, Musashi, Anastasia, Atalanta Alter, Beowulf, and Billy the Kid with a gun enhanced by Da Vinci, all working together they couldn't overpower him. Even with Salieri using his rage to power his NP and weaken Ivan using music they couldn't win either. If he weren't powerful enough already, he can also fire giant lightning blasts that even while weakened by Salieri, they are still on par with Divine Spirit level attacks. If it weren't for Mash blocking those blasts and giving Musashi an opening to cut off his trunk, they would have all died. *45) MELUSINE (Dragon Form):* She survived a blow from Percival’s Lost Longinus (but she was fatally wounded though) and had enough power left to break through the Insect of Abyss so that the Nautilus could escape. Her heat rays are also capable of destroying large portions of the Nautilus, and even Artoria Caster with the Holy Sword Essence couldn’t take her down. In her weakened Fairy Kinght form she was also powerful enough to fight Muramasa and Caster Cu simultaneously. *46) MELTRYLLIS (Level 999 and Invincibility):* Even after CCC Gilgamesh decided to give his full support to the protagonist and lift the ban preventing him to use Ea, it is stated that he stands no chance at beating Meltryllis. Therefore, all those that would struggle to beat Gilgamesh are weaker than Meltryllis. This is without taking into account her "Invincibility" which makes her INVULNERABLE to any attack. The reason she isn't higher is that the people above her can simply seal her away and/or far surpass her in raw power. *47) APHRODITE (LB5):* Aphdorite was as physically strong as Golden Huge Bear and could tank its Golden Huge Spark without taking visible damage. Kintoki needed the aid of Caenis + Musashi + Mash to beat her. If it weren’t for her NP, which allows her to mind control regular servants with 0 difficulties, she would be way lower on the list. *48) WOODWOSE:* Woodwose fought Muramasa + Percival + Artoria Caster (powered by 2 bells) + Da Vinci and would have killed all of them had it not been for Gareth arriving at the very last moment. His strength is so immense he can blow up Muramasa/Percival’s entire upper body with a 1 PUNCH, whereas even MELUSINE in her Fairy Knight Form couldn’t kill Muramasa after striking his core directly “Several times” to the point a “normal servant” would have died 12 times over. If that weren’t enough, Woodwose is gifted by a form of INVULNERABILITY so OP even Percival’s Lost Longinus (which was powerful enough to knock out Melusine in her dragon form) couldn’t scratch him. The conditions that need to be met to bypass this defense are unknown. Even Artoria Cater, a Fairy of Paradise, powered by 4 bells, couldn’t bypass it. *49) NEBUCHADNEZZAR II.5:* The combined efforts of Larva Tiamat + Mash Kyrielight + Berserker Lancelot + Sakata Kintoki + Tamamo-no-Mae are not able to match him in combat. Nebu is so strong ENKIDU is the only servant in the Babylon Singularity that comes even close to matching him in power, however, even he alone wouldn’t be able to beat him. It took Enkidu to suppress Nebu’s powers to give the other servants an opening to strike him down. Even then, they were extremely fatigued afterward, so Nebu went down swinging like a chad. *50) DARK IRISVIEL:* Dark Irisviel is Angra Mainyu using the remnants of Justeaze von Einzbern inside the Greater Grail as a perfect vessel with which to manifest. She also has an almost entirely filled Holy Grail, which contains the SOULS of GILGAMESH, ISKANDAR, LANCELOT, HUNDRED FACES, and GILLES. Artoria stated that even if she worked together with Diarmuid, Counter Guardian EMIYA (Assassin), and Mash, they would stand NO CHANCE of beating her. Right after, when Iri powered up, Aroria said Iri was stronger than she had imagined. The reason she isn't higher is that she's not GRAND SERVANT/BEAST level yet. *51) QUETZALCOATL (50%):* Xiuhcoatl at 50% cracked Tiamat’s horn so hard Gorgon managed to cut it off afterward. Kingu on the other hand just took out a small amount of her flesh. Quetzalcoatl’s Noble Phantasm is therefore comparable to Enuma Elish in Raw Power, and WAY STRONGER when she is at 100%. Furthermore, Quetzalcoatl is IMMUNE to characters with GOOD ALIGNMENT, meaning that characters such as Artoria, Karna, or Gilgamesh can’t even scratch her. Only those with EVIL alignment can truly damage her. If that weren’t enough, Xiuhcoatl also SEALS AWAY the NPs of her opponent. If Gilgamesh or Artoria were to fight Quetzalcoatl, not only would they be unable to even scratch her, but they wouldn’t even get to fire Excalibur/Ea as long as Quetzalcoatl fires first. Even if they get to fire, Xihucoatl is as powerful or stronger than Enuma Elish. All in all, there’s little they can do.
*52) ARTORIA PENDRAGON (FULL POWER & AVALON):* The writer of Fate/Zero said that Nasu has told him that if GILGAMESH had been SERIOUS when he fought Artoria (I assume he means in the Fate Route when she had AVALON) they would have tied. Pretty impressive considering she was under a 3rd rate master at the time. Nasu has also said that if ALIVE Gilgamesh fought ALIVE Saber Alter, Gil would have a SLIGHT ADVANTAGE due to his superior VERSATILITY & CUNNING. This is despite Saber Alter having lower Luck than her regular counterpart and no longer having Avalon. If Artoria was at FULL POWER and had AVALON as well, she should have no problem beating Gilgamesh. Excalibur can only be countered with Ea, and if Gil uses Ea then Artoria simply blocks with Avalon and kills him before he has finished firing it (FYI this is exactly what happened in the Fate Route). If Gil doesn’t use Ea, then Artoria will just kill him with Excalibur, as GoB couldn’t overpower Richard’s MUCH WEAKER Excalibur. *53) KINGU (HOLY GRAIL):* Kingu was stated to be AS STRONG IF NOT STRONGER than ALIVE Enkidu. Since [Kingu = Enkidu + HOLY GRAIL as his core] he would simply outlast Gilgamesh/Enkidu in a fight. When Gil and Enkidu were alive, they reached a stalemate the moment both of them ran out of energy and weapons. In this scenario, Kingu would simply come slightly on top due to having the exact same abilities as Enkidu, equal firepower but superior mana reserves/stamina. *54) GILGAMESH & ENKIDU:* Gilgamesh is stated to be the strongest Heroic Spirit/Servant that can be summoned in a Holy Grail War. Even among the other Top Servants he is regarded as “incomparable.” Enkidu is stated to have equal RAW POWER and COMBAT STRENGTH to Gilgamesh. *55) KARNA:* Karna is stated to be as strong as Gilgamesh on 3 different occasions and to contend for the highest place among all servants. Although his armor is pretty shit normally (it is stated Siegfried can decapitate him with a regular swing if Karna is careless, and Cu Alter also one shotted him in his 2nd interlude), its True Name Release was able to endure Arjuna Alter’s Mahapralaya for 5 seconds. Vasavi Shakti is also stronger than Joyeuse Ordre, and a fraction of its power could destroy Akhilleus Kosmos. *56) OZYMANDIAS:* It took Stella + Excalibur-Proto to take down Ozymandias. It could be argued his NP surpasses Vasavi Shakti, at least going by feats but Karna’s nature as a god and fire NPs/skills are just good enough counters to Ozy in order to give him a slight edge. They are interchangeable. *57) OKITA SOUJI Alter (Holy Grail Absorbed):* She is a Counter Guardian with the full support of the Counter Force and with a Holy Grail absorbed. Her Noble Phantasm can "annihilate or remove from the world what which was not supposed to exist, or even what cannot be allowed to exist." This allows her to kill characters with CONCEPTUAL IMMORTALITY/INFINITE REGEN such as Maxwell's Demon or Akechi Mitsuhide's Demon King form. This along with her high firepower should allow her to kill Pale Rider and Avicebron's golem. The reason she isn't higher is that she can only fire it once and lacks feats to determine how she'd fare against Enuma Elish tier nukes. If you can endure her NP once you win. *58) PALE RIDER:* The moment Pale Rider appeared, Alcides' Instincts told him that he should retreat at once, despite having absorbed From Hell by this point. Gilgamesh on the other hand believes he can blast away if the situation arrives. From what we've seen, Pale Rider is in that Alcides/Gate of Babylon+ level, but still weaker than Ea. He may be able to beat Enkidu, but that would just be compatibility, as stated in Volume 1. I placed him above Adam and Maxwell since he should be able to counter their immortality thanks to being the embodiment of death. *59) SAKATA KINTOKI (GOLDEN HUGE BEAR):* Golden Huge Bear was as physically strong as Machine God APHRODITE, as shown when he was restraining her and she couldn’t break free. Rather than this making Golden Huge Bear a Grand Servant tier threat, it shows that Aphrodite is no big deal in raw strength and that she relies on her Mind Control to actually look menacing. The reason why Kintoki can’t be Grand level is that Gilgamesh is the strongest SUMMONABLE SERVANT in a HGW and Golden Huge Bear is a NP that Kintoki can regularly use without any restrictions, as shown in the Solomon Singularity. *60) AVICEBRON (RUSSIAN LOSTBELT):* As long as he is touching the ground Adam has infinite regen. Beowulf states that he may be even capable of surviving Ivan's strongest attack. He is also as physically strong as Ivan, as shown when the 2 were brawling (Ivan was being weakened by Salieri and Anastasia though). Even in Apocrypha when he was much weaker it took separating him from the ground + blowing him up with Balmung + Clarent Blood Arthur + Antares Snipe to take him down. *61) MAXWELL'S DEMON [Neo Fuhrer]:* Even Okita + Nobunaga empowered by 3 Command Spells + Spearless Li Shuwen working together got their ass beaten pretty badly by the Neo Fuhrer. By this point, Neo Fuhrer is stated to be a being surpassing the scale of the Holy Grail War, and he is unkillable unless you can resolve his theorem or kill unkillable servants. It was necessary to sacrifice all remaining servants to the Holy grail in order to summon Okita Alter as a Counter Guardian to take him down. *62) ALCIDES:* Even with Reincarnation Pandora + Nine Lives + the Pelt of the Nemean Lion, Gilgamesh wasn't pressed at all to use Ea against Alcides. It is stated that Gil doesn't need Ea against him, and thus, there's no risk of it being stolen. Alcides was even buffed by Jack's From Hell NP during their rematch, which he had stolen right before. Even with "Magical Energy SEVERAL TIMES stronger" than the one he has normally, Alcides couldn't overpower GoB. Although he may not be as powerful as a few people lower than him, Reincarnation Pandora + the versatility of King’s Order make up for it. The reason he isn’t higher is that he himself thinks Pale Rider is stronger, he couldn’t beat GoB, and Reincarnation Pandora has some clear limitations since he didn’t try stealing GoB (my guess is that he needs to know the True Name of the NP). Percival, Sieg, Charlemagne, or even Artoria might have higher firepower, but Chiron’s IMMORTALITY + REINCARNATION PANDORA should be able to counter it. *63) LB PERCIVAL:* He has been able to fight Melusine 1v1 in CQC on 2 different occasions. Woodwose stated that he could have beaten Melusine (Lancelot form) with Longinus had he used it during their 1st fight. During the fight against Melusine in her Albion’s Remnant form, Percival managed to knock her out momentarily with this attack. Melusine should be considerably stronger than FAFNIR, who rivals ALIVE SIEGFRIED and Karna’s VASAVI SHAKTI, so it goes to show how strong LB Longinus is. (It’s also ranked EX ANTI-FORTRESS for those who care about stats). *64) SIEG:* SIEG with his full arsenal in FGO is an absolute beast. He can turn into FAFNIR, whose fire breath is as strong as BALMUNG + Dragon Slayer boost. Furthermore, in the FGO x Apocrypha event he survived a direct hit from Karna’s VASAVI SHAKTI, meaning Excalibur level nukes have no hopes of ever taking him down. If that wasn’t enough, even if his dragon body is defeated, he can still create a homunculus avatar capable of transforming into Siegfried for 3 minutes just like in Apocrypha. You basically have to take down Fafnir with an EX tier nuke, and then fight Siegfried buffed by Galvanism and Command Spells. Pretty busted. *65) CHARLEMAGNE:* In CQC, Charlemagne is about EQUAL to KARNA, but weaker than SCATHACH or ARTORIA. The reason he isn’t below Artoria and Scathach is that his NPs are way stronger. Just like Gilgamesh being physically weaker than Artoria doesn’t make him weaker since his arsenal is better, the same applies to Charlemagne. At Full Strength, JOYEUSE ORDRE is as strong as 13+ of Rolan’s DURANDALs. Durandal being an A+ Holy Sword stated by Mandricardo to be as powerful as the Divine Bow forged by LB Hephaestus AEGIS ECLYPSE, which is an ANTI-FORTRESS Bow. Charlemagne’s NP is stronger than 13 of those put together. Meanwhile, Excalibur can only kill Heracles 7-10 times. Even when Charlemagne was weakened by Karl der Grosse, this NP was still powerful enough to block Karna’s VASAVI SHAKTI. Charlemagne also has access to a FLYING FORTRESS directly compared to SEMIRAMIS’ HANGING GARDENS, which can be used both for offense and defense. This means that someone like Artoria and Scathach won’t get to close the distance between them and Charlie to overwhelm him in CQC. (Before they get nuked by J.O. that is).
*66) RIN TOHSAKA (JEWELED SWORD ZELRETCH):* Each of the beams fired by the Jeweled Sword is comparable to an EXCALIBUR nuke. Rin also has “Welt, Ende” a special attack that blows up the Jeweled Sword similar to a Broken NP. This attack is SEVERAL TIMES more powerful than the regular beam, meaning, that even an EXCALIBUR TIER Nuke wouldn’t be able to block it. Rin Tohsaka could also react to the Holy Grail SHADOWS that in Apocrypha were shown to be fast enough to react to JEANNE’s LA PUCELLE. In HF, the shadows were also fast enough to make Heracles run for his life at max speed or catch Cu Chulainn’s foot. Having been able to react to dozens of giants all jumping at her simultaneously, and being stated by Shirou to move with “SABER-LIKE SPEED”, Rin should have no issue reacting to a Servant. In fact, the reason they had Shirou project the Zelretch Sword in the 1st place was to beat SABER ALTER with it. *67) SABER ALTER (HOLY GRAIL):* Nasu stated that ALIVE Gilgamesh would only have a “SLIGHT advantage” against her. Despite having lower Instincts and speed than REGULAR Artoria, she still managed to block a SURPRISE attack from FULL POWER Cu Chulainn Alter. The reason this is impressive is that WEAKENED Cu Alter had previously defeated Karna and Medb with no difficulty. REGULAR Artoria is also shown in EXTELLA LINK toying in CQC with CHARLEMAGNE + TAMAMO + NERO, even though Charlemagne is strong enough to fight KARNA in CQC to a DRAW, with Karna even calling him a WORTHY RIVAL. Saber Alter is stronger than Karna BASE TO BASE (if nukes aren’t taken into account), and with EXCALIBUR SPAM, she can take down pretty much anybody that isn’t an EX Servant, as Shirou states that to beat Salter you need an NP stronger than hers. *68) SAKURA MATOU (BLACKENED):* She can create multiple Shadow Giants, and it takes an Excalibur level beam to take 1 of them down. Unless you can spam an attack just as powerful you are screwed. These giants were also capable of tagging Heracles, Gilgamesh, and Jeanne’s La Pucelle in Apocrypha, so they are not getting blitzed. Sakura also has incredible high regen. *69) SITONAI:* Sitonai was shown making easy work of Mori Nagoyoshi (who could somewhat keep up with Cu Chulainn), and she was so strong she made Scathach Skadi cautious of her. She can also summon BERSERKER HERACLES and a giant polar bear named Shirou to fight as her familiars. She can also draw mana from the leylines to buff them even further. As long as you struggle fighting Herc 1v1 your chances of defeating Sitonai are pretty slim. You’d need Excalibur spam or an EX tier nuke to take her down. *70) ACHILLES:* Achilles is the fastest hero, but against other Top Servants that doesn’t mean much. Hector is stated to be his EQUAL in POWER, and it is also stated that Achilles only defeated him due to a “PAPER-THIN difference in SKILL.” Therefore, if you can defeat Hector in CQC, there’s a 99% chance that you can beat Achilles too. If we take NPs into account, Achilles truly shines. His chariot is super fast, to the point Chiron couldn’t even see him moving. It took Chiron combining his Clairvoyance + Mind’s Eye to actually kill 1 of the steeds. Akhilleus Kosmos is also super strong, but it was destroyed after taking a fraction of Vasavi Shakti. IMO EXCALIBUR Tier nukes should be able to counter it. *71) CU ALTER:* If we exclude nukes from the equation, and stick to close-range combat, then Cu Alter beats pretty much anybody. In his 2nd interlude, he defeats KARNA + MEDB SIMULTANEOUSLY and even kills Heracles “SEVERAL TIMES” later on. All this, without using any of his NPs and while POISONED by Semiramis. He was also stronger than Rama (known to be Karna’s equal), and he was on par with SCATHACH, who is stronger than Arjuna and Charlemagne (both Karna’s equals). It is common sense that if Karna doesn’t use Vasavi Shakti, he gets stomped by Cu Alter. If we give Cu Alter his FULL ARSENAL, he is an absolute monster in CQC. *72) ALTERA & ISKANDAR:* Altera defeated GAWAIN (BUFFED by the Sun), and made Cu Chulainn run away saying she’s too strong. With her Master’s support, she’s able to fight Gil’s Gate of Babylon to a draw. Although her NP is strong, even after buffing it with all the Magical Energy in the atmosphere to the point it would “destroy the entire world”, Salter was still powerful enough to one shot her with Excalibur. Iskandar is also here because he is stated to be 1 of the 7 Top Servants and equally powerful to Altera. Even under a 2nd rate master in Fate/Zero, his chariot was so fast that he almost managed to Kill Artoria before she fired Excalibur, and it is stated that had his master not been at risk he wouldn’t have flinched at the very last moment and actually succeeded. It was also stated that a clash between Ionioi Hetairioi and Excalibur or Gate of Babylon could go either way. Iskandar is also physically strong enough to exchange blows evenly with Altera in CQC. He has very bad compatibility with weaker opponents that can only be countered with Nukes (Gigantic Horror for instance), but it doesn’t take a genius to see that all his other feats point at him being an Altera/Artoria tier servant. *73) REX MAGNUS:* He defeated Scathach, who considers him a being greater than the Top Servants. It took CHARLEMAGNE + NERO + TAMAMO to defeat him. Although he was able to trap GILGAMESH, he states that he wouldn’t be able to restrain him for long. Charlemagne also stated that Artoria wouldn’t lose to him. *74) SCÁTHACH:* She was stronger than CHARLEMAGNE (who was Karna’s equal) in close-range combat. It took CHARLEMAGNE + CÚ CHULAINN to actually beat her. She also said Arjuna was extremely weak, and Cu Alter stated TWICE that Arjuna can't beat her, and that there is no man (in the 5th singularity) other than himself capable of defeating Scathach. *75) ARJUNA:* Arjuna is as powerful as Karna, but he has a fatal weakeness. The AMOUNT OF TIME it takes him to charge Pahupata is too big. In EXTELLA LINK Karna was able to charge and fire Vasavi Shakti so fast Arjuna was completely defenseless. Had Charlemagne not intervened and blocked it with his own NP Arjuna would have died. Some people then try to argue that this wasn’t the case in the FGO manga (the pinnacle of Fate canon, sarcasm), saying that there Arjuna and Karna both charged their NPs at the same time, however, these people like to ignore that the FGO manga is a fucking circus full of contradictions with the source material such as Saint Martha’s Tarasque being stronger than Mash’s Lord Chaldeas whereas it blocked Excalibur Morgan a singularity prior. The same Tarasque is stated to be weaker than Fafnir, which in turn is stated to be less powerful than 1 Demon God Pillar or Heracles. By the Manga’s logic; Herc (1 life) or 1 Demon God > Fafnir > Tarasque > Lord Chaldeas > Excalibur Morgan. Taking EXTELLA LINK as an Anti-Feat in exchange for the FGO Manga is retarded. Even if we disregard all that and say the time is equal, there’s still the fact that Charlemagne was able to fire his NP before Arjuna despite Arjuna starting charging beforehand. If you argue Arjuna = Karna then Charlemagne, who isn’t even Artoria or Scathach level, would one-shot Karna in a fight before he ever saw what hit him. *76) MERLIN [GARDEN OF AVALON]:* Merlin likes to use illusions to overcome his opponents and he rarely even bothers doing something to overcome them directly. Due to his real body being in Avalon, his avatar seems to be immune to physical attacks but WITHOUT feats to help measure his raw power and fighting capabilities he can’t get higher. Still, he is strong enough to fight multiple Bel Lahmu at the same time whereas those same Lahmu were toying with BASE Ishtar and even keeping up with King Hassan albeit after losing his Grand Title. PHH Morgan (who was stated to be fodder compared to Artoria) is stated to be as POWERFUL of a Mage as Merlin, so Merlin being considerably lower than Artoria tier characters is consistent. *77) JEANNE D’ARC [LA PUCELLE]:* Although Jeanne is the weakest of the Top Servants, at least physically, she still defeated Gawain in EXTELLA. It’s also stated that she can make easy work of SEMIRAMIS due to her higher raw power and EX rank Magic Resistance. La Pucelle killed multiple Shadow Giants, and from Stay Night we know you need an Excalibur level nuke to kill just 1 of them. Although La Pucelle has higher firepower than some people higher on the list, her lower combat ability and high NP Charge time hinder her considerably. *78) SEMIRAMIS:* It is stated that Semiramis could put up a close fight against Karna. She can fire 11 beams, each of them ranked EX Anti-Army. When fired together simultaneously, they are stated to be as strong as Balmung. Given that most people can’t even reach her gardens, the amount of people that can take her down 1v1 is pretty low. Even if you reach her gardens, your fame will be reduced to 0, whereas hers is increased to 100%. She can create barriers capable of blocking Clarent Blood Arthur, and she survived a direct hit from Mordred boosted by Mana Burst and a Command Spell. She also has hydra venom which can kill Heracles 12 times. The only characters that are stated to be stronger than her in Apocrypha are Karna, Achilles, and Jeanne. Unless you are a Top Servant, Semiramis is beating you up. *79) CASTER GILGAMESH [MELAMU DINGIR]:* He should be as strong as Archer Gilgamesh without Ea. Melamu Dingir fires all the NPs as Broken Phantasms. His body isn’t as sturdy as when he was an Archer, but he’s still pretty strong.
Being able to see this video while it was going on live has really paid off, at every position the Hype went up thanks also to the music that, as always, did not disappoint me at all. This video is practically the summary of your channel, your biggest project and above all your biggest goal when it comes to creating a Top. For the chosen pictures I could watch the video without worrying about the ranking, enjoying music and the images, this is how much your choices made this video great. Around 100 explanations have been written for each character, never seen such a thing, both from the point of view of dedication and information, at least on YT. I am truly speechless, I also imagine how much difficulty there must have been in creating this video. You said the best was yet to come, and I must say you were absolutely right. Definitely one of the best Fate themed works and the best in terms of power scaling. I conclude by saying that your channel (and of course this video) are a great inspiration for me, from several points of view. Really, great work
I almost teared up reading your comment. 💀They might say I'm a pussy, but the truth is that I've been working on this video for 2 years and at some points I didn't know why I was even bothering to try to make sense of something as confusing and big as fate. Comments of support (whether they agree with me or not) such as yours make my day and push me to try to do better. Thank you and I'm glad you enjoyed it
I'd like to say that you have balls of steel for doing this, considering the confusion that is the nasuverse and you made it very well as well, this is the best and most accurate tier list I've seen.
Very nice top. I agree overall. And it feels good to be up to date with it. Probs for all the hardwork you did Guess. Must have been crazy. This is literally the cumulation of all the works did for all the time I was there. So that makes me proud of the top ! Loved how the music went super serious the moment Altera appeared and kept getting more intense as the list grow up. Really good. And keep going! I'm looking forward for your hellish discovery in the bigger Nasuverse!
Thank avalon for the music. He helped me with the music. I would send him a few drafts and he would give me feedback saying what worked better and what didn't. I struggled with this video the most because it was the longest and most important I've ever made. I knew I couldn't fuck this one up
This takes a real amount of hard work and solid dedication to make a video like this especially when it is dealing with Fate powerscaling (which is complicated as hell) and overall it is probably one of the most accurate power ranking videos regarding Fate on youtube. But I would say that both Goetia and Solomon should be higher than Tiamat in the list simply because when the Lion king said that the beast residing in babylon MAY be stronger than the "King of mages" I am pretty sure even she didn't know the true identity of Goetia and was rather just judging him by his Grand caster vessel which is weaker than his beast form (because if she knew, she would most likely refer to him as something else and not his fake name) and it doesn't really mean that just because she has a perception equal to Goetia doesn't mean she just auto sees through his disguise and she has no reason to lie to the protagonist either in fact she was even warning them of the dangers to come. And even if she truly knew Goetia's identity (with her mentioning something along the lines of first sin of humanity or whatever) she did say with a sense of doubt that Tiamat "MAYBE" could be stroner than Goetia. Also Tiamat is way slower than Goetia and even by counting raw firepower, it is pretty clear that Goetia can atleast fire AAS and then reload it to fire again in a span of a few minutes (he clearly stated he was going to blast Solomon with his own noble phantasm and probably meant AAS right after firing it on Mash and even ingameplay, Goetia has a skill called "Human incineration reload" or something like that) while Tiamat really doesn't have any sort of attack atleast shown that could really match the human incineration. The first blast of AAS could probably completely destroy the sea of life which would give her no healing factor, a second blast could deal with maybe all life on the planet (since that makes Tiamat immortal) and heck he might even blast her a third time and finish her off by pointing at her head. Even if we assumed it took atleast 5-6 minutes for him to recharge (assuming the point of Mash's death and Solomon showing up was that long) he could easily hold off any attack from the millions of lahmu things and Tiamat herself with the rest of his Demon pillar army, so overall I would say Goetia is stronger and whatever Goetia can do, Solomon can do better. (Sorry for the long paragraph)
If Tiamat MAY surpass "the original sin of mankind" aka Beast I, that means Tiamat >= Beast I. The Lion King knew about the Temple of Time outside of time and Goetia's plan. She called him Beast I as well. Tiamat can regenerate her entire body in a few seconds, so Goetia charging AAS again doesn't matter. Nega Genesis WHILE WEAKENED was also stated and shown to rival Lord Camelot, which in turn is also stated and shown to rival AAS. That means that WEAKENED Nega Genesis rivals AAS. Tiamat also has Nammu Duranki, which is an EX Anti World beam while nerfed as an ALTER EGO. Tiamat isn't slow either. Even at 1/7 of her divinity she could react to GRAND ASSASSIN King Hassan, who could keep up with Sodom's Beast. Tiamat can respawn the Sea of Life endlessly even if it is destroyed. She did it twice in Babylonia, and in less than 1 minute
The Sword Heroic Spirit. The most famous and excellent hero in legends, who was suitable enough to manifest as the most superior servant. To me who was an Englishwoman by nationality, to me who was born and raised in the environment called the Isle of Britain, she was a very well-known hero. That’s why she was fearsome. The King of Knights who was said to have defeated many foreign invaders, and was said to have driven off even the Great Roman Empire on the huge continent in her time. In the magic world, she was known as a being who wielded the “Holy Blade of the Stars.” She was also known as the user of the “Holy Lance” which slayed Sir Mordred who was a great traitor and even her final enemy. The wording carved into her tombstone was “The Once and Future King.” That true name was surely―――― “………Arthur Pendragon……...?”
I'm a new fan to Fate and I'm honestly surprised to see Saber: Artoria Pendragon is a fodder character. I assumed a character as popular as her would be in the Top 10 somewhere but she didn't even make it in the Top 50. Wow, this universe is bigger than I thought, can't wait to dive deeper into Fate, Amazing Video by the way.
You could argue that artoria saber is basically the same as arthur (so #2 on the list) but arthur was shown the capacity to defeat beast with easy and saber couldnt even handle kuzuki, soo yep
@@asdqwe4123 saber under a 3RD RATE MASTER got overwhelmed by kuzuki's unfamiliar style. It's not relevant for how artoria compares to Arthur. Artoria is ranked lower because I wanted to portray how strong each version of her is. We have salber with just Excalibur and good mana aka salter, artoria with Avalon, and Arthur with unsealed Excalibur.
good video,top well done despite the difficulty,amazing arts,super music because it was epic from the beginning to the end,seriously finally someone who does a good deed despite the difficulty,in addition to all that,you justified everything.frankly i stay on your chain guess who ✌👍🎉🤗
Finally, even if there is a lot of disagreements, this will be the most accurate list on youtube BY FAR, the music was great as always, most images are wallpaper quality and you took the time to type the reasoning for 99 mfs in this list, truly your peak work. That being said, I have some comments. - No Maou Nobu? I guess she is too hard to rank, you can have a rough idea of where she is in with just Gudaguda characters but including her in all of the Fate franchise you might as well pass her as featless, if I'd have to guess, maybe somewhere above Herc? - No Ash either, I guess same thing as Maou Nobu? - Biggest surprise in the actual ranking was Kintoki, he feels pretty random, you'd think every time he appears he would just use his bear and one shot anything if he was that strong, maybe Aphrodite isn't really all that great physically? - Maxwell pretty much outlasts everyone below him as no one has any actual means to beat him but I'd argue Alcides could go above him, he could use Nine Lives and then Pandora to steal his NP, which would make Maxwell lose his regen, leaving him like a harmless ghost, that is assuming Alcides' conditions for stealing NPs are met. - Okitan would teleport inside Ozy's temple, teleport drag him out and nuke him, trust me bro🗿 - Do you mind dropping Okita's placement number 😳
I'm clueless about Demon King Nobunaga. I heard she was clowned in the last few gudaguda. I doubt she is stronger than herc. We don't know how strong ashwatthama is. Karna+ level, sure, but is that base karna or karna with his full arsenal? Even with his final ascension and support from GOD Pepe he was beaten by Rama + fatigued Jinako + fatigued lakshmibai. He never used any of his NPs, so I can't just rank him above ozymandias for no reason. Think about this. Tametomo is just a robot some random people used based on golden huge bear's remains, and despite this the guy can walk around soloing all the archers in chaldea and matching or overpowering balmung. Then the actual real thing can fight an Olympian Machine God. I think his ranking is justified. Could he be 5 spots lower or a few ones higher? sure. without more feats we can't tell. Maxwell's immortality comes from his Devil Proof skill, not his NP. His NP gives him infinite mana, not haxx immortality. Before activating his NP he was still immortal. Even if alcides stole it he wouldn't be able to kill him. I didn't give the characters that didn't make it to the top 100 much thought (I've been updating the list until a few days ago). With that being said okita would be about rank 110. Just go to my top 40 and see the people I ranked between her and ushi gozen. I planned on adding Lu Bu right below cu chulainn, SUN Gawain with infinite sun right next to siegfried, and super mash above them.
Demon King Nobu only did things in the Gudaguda that she appeared afaik, not sure about the jps ones. I vote for the bear to be lower🗿 Maxwell's immortality does come from his skill yeah, but doesn't the black giant thingy come from the NP? Like he is a "ghost" when he is summoned because he isn't the one using it or he lacks the grail, something along those lines.
Okitan's NP is pretty much super broken. Once she uses white space. She erases your entire existence. Even stated to erase beings that never existed. Wait too broken.
@@guesswho8556 here are my disagreements (mostly just some spots switched, nothing major) 1. Abigail (Ik Ik). She was noted to have gotten MUCH stronger in her interlude (the real Abigail, not servant one) she took control of her servant self and was distorting the space around Chaldea and was going to transfer it to where she was. She is noted by multiple servants to be much stronger than she was in Salem as she was also summoning countless ghouls and monsters as well. Maybe not anything concrete, but worth a mention imo. 2. I think the reasoning for Scathach being below Rex should also apply to Karna since BOTH were oracalized. Scathach says she didn't exactly lose, but was compelled to obey. Unless you are assuming that maybe Rex got the jump on Karna, him and Scathach should be much closer together considering Karna's rival and by many accounts, equal is considered weaker than her. 3. Speaking of Arjuna, I do think he is ranked a bit low as well. 4. Are you ranking Alcides with Reincarnation Pandora? If so then ok. If not than I think he is ranked a bit to high as I feel he should be more around Achilles and below the likes of Cu Alter and Scathach. I feel Achilles is overall the stronger servant between the two but only falling behind because of the major weakness to Hydra venom I also feel that Iskandar may provide some trouble to Alcides with his army and Chariot and that Alcides has no answer to TPR. That's just my personal opinion of course. 5. I feel Ozy should have been ranked above Karna simply because of how difficult he is to overcome for more servants. Karna while powerful, is still beatable in pure cqc and has been defeat on multiple occasions with such methods. Ozy can't really be beat without actually overpowering Ram Tent or having niche abilities. I feel Ozy vs Karna is purely compatibility and Ozy is definitely the more difficult opponent for most servants to overcome. 6. I think Melusine is ranked a bit low. Like I get her general area on the list, but I feel that placing her below Ivan is pretty weird imo. 7. I get the reasoning for Amaterasu's position but going by that same reasoning she should have been ranked right below Goetia imo, I feel putting the Alien God and Vortigern is a bit awkward and based on the assumption that Amaterasu is much weaker than Goetia instead of being a rival. Idk feel free to disagree. Those are the major disagreements, nothing drastic tbh. Overall I love the list regardless as it takes as much as possible into account. I think I would change a few other spots, just some nitpicks tho, nothing major or relevant tbh.
@@danielguardado4574 1. I hope she does more stuff in the future. 2. It would just mean neither used their NPs against rex. However, whereas Rex Magnus later says that he never expected to be able to keep Gil restrained or Charlemagne saying that Artoria shouldn't worry about Rex, Scathach goes on to say that he is well beyond Top Servant level, which should include her at the very least. Rex Magnus was defeated by severely weakened Charlemagne + nero + tamamo. Karna with his full arsenal should have nothing to fear from them. 3. There's no middle ground with Arjuna. If it takes him long so long to charge Pashupata then he isn't beating anyone above him. If not, then he should be above sieg and Charlemagne. 4. Yes. The pelt counters anything Charlemagne, sieg and percival throw at him, and with reincarnation pandora he can just steal whatever nuke they used against him. Even if some conditions need to be met to activate reincarnation pandora, chiron's immortality would already enable him to know its True Name, and if you need to touch the owner then a bunch of summoning should give him an opening as well. 5. Kavacha and Kundala's True Name Release counter anything Ozymandias throws at him. He used that function of the attack while summoned in a version of India where he had 0 fame since no one acknowledged/remembered him. With 0 fame, you wouldn't get access to something you can't use normally. That ability also justifies Nasu stating on 2 different occasions that Karna = Gilgamesh. 6. Ivan was fighting a bunch of servants while weakened and with the support of adam's golem which is just as strong as Ivan himself. Being stated by Atalanta to be equal to "the lightning of a Divine Spirit" heavily implies she is talking about PHH Divine Spirit Zeus, since that's the only lightning wielding deity she would know about. Gilgamesh also compared him to Gugalanna, which even ALIVE Gilgamesh + ALIVE Enkidu didn't manage to kill. 7. The Alien God's Saint Graph is 2nd only to Goetia. That includes Tiamat's 2nd form and Grand Caster Solomon. Goetia didn't become 2nd Planetary Class until he revealed his true form, so Grand Caster Solomon wasn't as strong as him. Amaterasu = That Solomon makes her weaker than the Alien God by default.
@@guesswho8556 1. She might, in her interlude she plans on becoming an absurdly powerful being with control over space and time and she will be able to affect all of human history so we may see her return after he training arc lol. 2. I think Scathach say that he wields a power beyond top servants but that refers to Oraclization imo, I feel she was referring to the fact that the Oraclization can affect even Top servants. I also don't think a severely weakened Charlemagne + Nero + Tam would beat Scathach at all. 3. But you can make that argument for most servants, especially Karna who has been defeated before using his np. Karna got fucked midway through VS in america for example as well as lost to Cu Alter and got one tapped before answering with any nps.
@@guesswho8556 yeah taking in count you rank 100 characters that had to be very difficult, I just had some surprise with Astarte Origin considering she has authority that negs attacks smaller than galaxy and yet she is in 33
Really nice video! And being Musashi the unique character able to cut the Void itself, she should be higher, remember the Void is the space around the Akasha, we see this in the kara no kyoukai novels, in anime was in the movie 4. But people usually don't take this into consideration.
she still said that she couldn't have beaten zeus with that move, so cutting void isn't that impressive. If she fought anyone above her in the list she'd just get nuked.
@@guesswho8556 That argument just justify being weaker than Zeus. And only because we don't know the real scope of this technique. The Void is literally a metaphysical location that exists at the top of all the theories in every dimension within the Nasuverse. So, which is your source to say "cutting void isn't that impressive".
@@argaliust Zeus is never implied to be that durable. Once Quirinus buffed Caenis and Mash to 300% their normal output their normal strikes could damage Zeus. If Musashi can just slash through anything then she would have killed Zeus. That's not the case. Musashi does reach the Void, but that doesn't mean she can suddenly overpower everything thrown at her or that conventional durability becomes useless against her. There's no evidence she can beat anyone above her on the list
@@guesswho8556 Since her np is actually Anti-Fate, a conceptual attack, should be impossible that a lot of character like Xiang Yu or Vlad III survive or or defend against it.
@@argaliust By that logic why didn't she one shot Ivan the terrible? You are also assuming that xiang yu and vlad are just standing still in front of musashi and facing her attack head on.
This is probably your hardest video in terms of scaling and writing time, when I watched this top live, it was breathtaking, I watched with anticipation expecting to see the strongest of this list(top 1-20), some places surprised me(Merlin, Muramasa etc.), also I agree with the list, although of course I have some disagreements, but this is probably one of the coolest videos! 1)I won't ask where is Mao Nobu, but where is God Makuzu, he must be as strong as Maxwell, no? 2)Why Caenis is lower than Vlad? Vlad defeated a group of servants in CQC(Karna, Achilles, etc.), however, Caenis, with the help of her NP, could defeat several guards of Olympus(each stronger than Musashi), in addition, such Vlad was declared as weaker than Sieg, who at that time caught up with Brahmastra Kundala, if you don't say that Caenis is weaker than Karna with Brahmastra, then the order can be:Caenis(NP)>Sieg(Balmung+Galvanism)>=Karna(Brahmastra Kundala)>=BB(Moon Cell Absorbed)>=Arjuna Alter(Mahapralaya Base)=Moon Cell Core=Heavenly Boulder>Surtr(NP). 11)Why is King Hassan so high? His Best Feat is slicing Tiamat's wings when she was Ultra Weakened, using the Grand Saint Graph (he also provided her with the Concept of Death). 12)Shouldn't Zeus be taller than Morgan since Beryl said that after Zeus died, Morgana became the strongest? Sorry for so many questions. 13)Demeter is stronger than Qin Shi Huang, why?
1) God of Makuzu is just Maxwell's Demon but without the conceptual immortality. 2) The Olympian Soldiers aren't stronger than Musashi. They are physically stronger, but Musashi is superior thanks to her greater skill. Caenis without any of her NPs could kill 3+ Olympus Soldiers with a single thrust, so they aren't that great. Killing 20+ with your strongest attack is a good feat, but considering how weak they are and how weak caenis is as well it doesn't mean much. If Caenis tried to fight all the servants that couldn't kill Vlad she'd get slaughtered. 3) Jack needed 200 clones to push Alcides. Vlad was pushing Karna + Achilles + Semiramis + Atalanta + Chiron all empowered by Command Spells + Jeanne. Being slightly stronger than Alcides doesn't make you Vlad level. 4) Abigail still did impressive stuff and could create powerful barriers. They needed circe (a witch from the age of gods) to counter her debuffs. 5) Merlin is as strong or stronger than them in Base, and has immortality. 6) Gae Bolg or Curruid Conchenn get blocked by Akhilleus Kosmos, and with his chariot Achilles is out fo range for cu alter to use his superior CQC skills. 7) Charlemagne. 8) Servant Artoria's Mana costs 1,000 units because SERVANT Artoria's MAXIMUM OUTPUT is 1,000. If it was used by a stronger character, in this case, ALIVE Artoria, the output would increase. Saber Alter has more mana, but her maximum output is still practically the same. 9) Nebuchadnezzar II.5 is Nebuchadnezzar II's FULL POTENTIAL + Gilgamesh's ABILITIES. Why would he be weaker than Gilgamesh? In fact, Enkidu himself said he wouldn't be able to beat Nebuchadnezzar II.5, and he needed the help of Larva Tiamat + Lancelot + Kintoki + Tamamo + Mash to actually beat him. Even with all those servants they still struggled a lot and took damage. 10) Arjuna Alter needing to focus all his power in a single point doesn't make Surtr weaker than BB. If let's say the Moon Cell Core was equal to 1,000 units, and Arjuna Alter's was 2,000, the reason Arjuna couldn't destroy it is that his 2,000 units were being distributed across all of India instead of being focused on a single entity. Focused Mahapralaya is still 2,000, but it's focused on a single target. Surtr could be 1,500 for all we know. The Ark of the Stars (which is equal to the Moon Cell) was one shotted by Saber Venus (who is just Nero + Aphrodite + Phtono Ray). Surtr who soloed an entire Phantheon and is stated to be on par with Rhongomyniad should be way stronger than that. 11) King Hassan was also able to fight Sodom's Beast for an extended period of time. The attack that fucked up Tiamat would likely kill anyone below him on the list, and with teleportation, their nukes won't reach him. 12) Beryl never mentioned Zeus when he said Morgan was the strongest. He said that after the Alien God failed to merged with a Fantasy Tree, Morgan was the strongest. 13) Demeter has infinite regen and her NP was so strong that even buffed Mash wouldn't be able to block it more than 3 times. Qin Shi Huang's strongest attack we've seen was blocked by Spartacus
@@guesswho8556 1)Ok. 2)Ok. 3)Wasn't every clone as strong as Alcides? 4)If everything is as you say, then why is she lower than Sasaki? 5) Artoria is also stronger than Gilgamesh in Base, but at the same time she is weaker. If Merlin is helped by immortality, then why is he not higher than Arjuna, whom he is stronger in the Base? 6)Ok. 7)Charlemagne on EX-rank, cool. 8)That is, Artoria's Excalibur was stronger during Life? 9)Enkidu could not defeat Nebuchadnezzar II.5 because he was a Servant and Nebu possessed the Living Body of Gilgamesh. 10)How does this contradict what I said? Basic Mahapralaya (distribution throughout India) was stronger than NP Surtra, and when you concentrate an attack at one point, the damage increases on it (since one target takes the entire attack). The fact that Nero with the sword of Ares can destroy the Moon Cell does not mean that Surtr can do it, since at that time he was strengthened by the power of "Love", in addition to this sword, Sefar also became stronger. Both NPs are considered divine constructs, in addition, it is not known how strong the Norse Gods were, maybe they were weaker than Ares. Plus BB has a skill similar to Lord of Camelot, Potnia Theron, which will protect BB from Surtr attacks. 11)I agree with teleportation, but how will it help him against Artemis? Unless you claim that Tiamat (Weakened to 1/7, Merlin, etc.) can defeat anyone below King Hassan. 12)Ok. 13)Ok
@@user-hk3ie8zd2l 3) It is never remotely implied that each clone is as strong as Alcides. 200 of them jumped at him at once and while they were indeed overpowering him they weren't doing much to him. 4) What has anything I said imply she should be above Sasaki? 5) I don't know where you got Merlin is stronger than Arjuna in BASE. 8) Yes. 9) Being a servant doesn't make you weaker by default. Enkidu was in his home country, and therefore receiving a fame boost that would make him as strong as he can possibly be in that era. He was also in the Age of Gods, when mysteries are strengthened to their max. There's no reason why he would be any weaker than when he was alive. 10) Mahpralaya had MORE MANA than Surtr's NP. They didn't say anything about it being stronger. Even if it was stronger, which it is, that strength is being distributed on a large area and therefore won't damage smaller portions of land as a direct strike from surtr's NP would. Love is Aphrodite's Authority, and even with it she was never remotely comparable to someone like Ares or Artemis, who aren't Rhongomyniad level. Surtr also has Anti-Divine haxx that would nerf BB to oblivion. On the other hand, BB's invisibility is useless if you are somewhat comparable to her in power. 11) If King Hassan couldn't beat WEAKENED Tiamat, then yes, she would logically beat anyone below King Hassan. Planetary Levels of power can and have damaged Artemis. King Hassan being a Grand Servant, which is meant to take down planetary entities such as the Beasts should have the firepower necessary to deal with her.
Bin a long time coming but you delivered amazingly 👏 👏 👏. Was surprised about few characters who didn't make the cut and the placements of some of the top 20 but all in all thank you for this and the work put into it. On behalf of the community we really appreciate this kind of work
This is a solid list 😃 No Gilgamesh wanking either. And for the most part fgo wise I'd say is pretty accurate. It baffles me that I saw somewhere in Reddit that Gilgamesh can beat Oberon are you fucking serious. 😂😂 I like gil but he can't even beat B.B. even in CCC lols. Even in the Fgo wiki Oberon is not shown to be weak against EA.
I'd like to say that your list is pretty well made. Of course people do have their own opinions on some stuff here and there but overall I think that you must be congratulated for your work. Great job my friend. P.S: I would recommend you read Adventures of lord el melloi, because the characters there will certainly make the list here.
It is definitely the Top I was expecting, plus I was pleasantly surprised by many positions. Virtually every character is positioned correctly and I have re-evaluated some of my previous opinions. I have various questions though, mostly related to not having in mind how exactly one character can be compared to another 1)Achilles has an incredible arsenal, but as far as the attack is concerned, why his chariot and the offensive use of the Akhilleus Kosmos in your opinion would be enough to overcome Cu Alter? 2)I admit I have no idea how Nebu and Dark Iri compare 3)Why do you think Ivan is superior to Melusine?
1) Akhilleus Kosmos should be able to block anything Cu Alter throws at him, and the chariot should be able to kill Cu Alter. Maybe not. They are interchangeable I guess. 2) Read the pinned comment. It took Enkidu + Larva Tiamat + Lancelot + Kintoki + Tamamo + Mash to beat Nebuchadnezzar II.5. With Dark Iri, they needed Artoria + Counter Guardian Kiritsugu + Diarmuid + Mash + Servant Waver. 3) Ivan is compared to Gugalanna by Gilgamesh, who even ALIVE Gil + ALIVE Enkidu couldn't kill. Atalanta also implied that Ivan's strongest attack is as strong as PHH Divine Spirit Zeus. Melusine just died to Percival.
@@guesswho8556 1) We actually don't know the attack power of Achilles' chariot, so I think it's okay to say they are interchangeable 2) Oh right, I completely forgot to compare the two teams 3) Gilgamesh says that Ivan is big enough to rival Gugalanna, does he also speak of his strength? The strongest attack of Ivan is equal to that of Zeus (I don't remember if Ivan was already weakened when this information was implicitly made) and Melusine died because of Percival, but I don't think this can describe the fight Ivan Vs Melusine. Do we know how strong Lost Longinus is (besides the fact that it can mortally wound Melusine)? Artoria failed to beat Melusine and even if Ivan could kill her, it must be considered that Melu's heat rays are very powerful and (from what I know) we don't know how strong they are compared to Ivan's best attack. Even if the Insect Of The Abyss was decaying, considering the resistance and quantity of the Mors that compose it, being able to break in it is extremely impressive.
@@thehunter2093 1) The narrator of Fate/Apocrypha states that the chariot "is virtually perfect in both attack and defense - one of the pinnacles of what heroes could accomplish." It should be a pinnacle mount surpassing sakamoto ryouma's NP or medusa's Bellerophon (?) It should be up there at least. 3) Ivan was already weakened when atalanta said that. Lost Longinus was also used against woodwose (without his invulnerability), and the guy just ran away to go kill Morgan. Ivan was more durable than Adam's golem, which could tank ivan's strongest attack according to beowulf. That means that Ivan is more durable than his strongest Zeus level attack. Melusine's heat rays don't have feats to suggest they can overpower ivan's lightning and kill him as well. Regular melusine killed hundreds of mors with 1 strike, but she couldn't kill caster cu or Muramasa after striking him dozens of times. Melusine in her albion form killing more mors doesn't say much
@@guesswho8556 1) Cu with his Np should be able to survive Achilles' chariot, however as it can be spammed and considering the AK, in the end I think you are right to place Achilles above Cu. If we consider the Troias Tragoidia at the level of the Via Expugnatio, all doubts should vanish 3) Well you're right Ivan is more impressive and this logic doesn't go against Woodwose, Melu and Ivan's feats at all. As Gugalanna's size has been used several times to emphasize its power, Ivan's position is right. Thanks for the answers
Goated with the sauce list Its still crazy to think we live in a time ppl like cu,gawain,lancelot and siegfried dont scratch the top 100 I guess it wouldve been hopeless even if fionn got better content Also rin being above ishtar is the best part lmao Edit: forgot to mention Kiara wins fr fr
Which doesn't make much sense to me since according to fate extra, cu would qualify for a top servant. Also knights of the round table are considered the best of heroic Spirits, even the lower class ones like bedivere.
Nice list. There isn't much else to say. Hope you revise this list once when the second part of F/GO is finished since we're probably getting a few characters that reach the top of this list in the next Lostbelt and final battle.
@@guesswho8556 Hope you enjoy Tsukihime. Btw i haven't read/played/watched every Fate nor i am caught up with FGO so i dunno where Arcueid appeared in Fateverse, can you tell me?
@@motemo8413 she appeared in fate extra but she was nerfed af. The reason she is ranked so high is that her material states that if she regained her reason she'd be the only character that could possibly beat Amaterasu out of all the characters that appear in fate extra and CCC. This would mean that Amaterasu and arcueid beat Buddha, kiara, BB, and CCC Gil
How Long have you been following this channel? Have you been looking forward to this Top? Leave a comment explaining your experience. I'd love to read it!
I should be following this account for a yeats maybe. I broke up with some friends during that time and i was alone, I was also on my fate period so YT hom was full of those videos. I like power scaling and your videos were the only one that really looks good to me and i followed you on community post. It helped me a lot to understand better Nasuverse and how some abilities works and then after sometimes i joined in the DS and i find a very good community who makes my days better (with Mak spamming and giving my Nick and all other guys helping with my doubts and question, also improving my English and slang) It's gave me a lot of more confidence and i starting even debating more on YT and Ds. I can't say that it was a bad experience, not even my greatest but it's surely helped me a lot and i also like a lot when you made another verse post, seeing your channels expanding like with JJK and so on.
almost 1 year for me, amazing channel and work, ever since i learned that you will be making top 100 i was so excited, i must say you didnt let me down with rankings when i saw Kojiro on list i was so happy a bit salty that he is belove Yagyu but oh well btw amazing music as always would like to get your epic playlist it would be awesome for workouts
I think about 2-3 years, something like that. I always loved the channel and the way you organized the characters' power lines, Tierlists content is one of my favorites and it's hard to find people who really do it well (Speaking of Fate because that's the case in this video, it hurts me whenever they say that Gilgamesh >>> Nasuverse, or some BS like this), the curious thing is that english is not my first language, and I learned a lot just reading your comments explaining the power levels or debating with someone about some position on the list, as there are many terms from the stories and English is more "internetized", it was really fun. Anyway, you're doing an excellent job and this list is a result of that, I don't know how to formulate comments very well, but I hope you've passed on how much I like your Channel ^^
I've been following you for a year or so. I remember I was looking for some decent videos on Fate and I stumbled upon your Top 60. I was really impressed that you wanted to write your reasons in the comments, which no one has ever done besides you in a Fate top. It had become a routine for me to follow your posts. In each explanation I saw how much time and passion you have given to this franchise, which inspired me to dissect every product I came across until I knew it 100%. One fateful day I saw a post "Who are your Top 34 Strongest Fate Characters?" with the image of Gil in place 35. In the comments you wrote that you would release the Top next summer. From that very moment I have been waiting for this day. I won't go too far because I still have my comment to make, but know that today was a day that ended a year of wonderful waiting.
Following this channel for few month after completing solomon movie Always best explained reasons And satisfying list At first thought goetia , solomon, tiamat, is at peak But there is always a bigger fish
@@guesswho8556 a question, is Zeus capable of destroying Galaxies/Universe??? and another question he has a feat of destroying Galaxy in games, I've seen people saying that yes it's true.
@@hajundeushadou3931 Zeus doesn't have a single feat of destroying anything. The moment he was about to destroy Earth he was killed by Mash. Zeus' NP is stated to be Anti-Planet, Anti-Star System, Anti-Space Time, and Anti-Concept. It should be able to blow up star systems, warp space time, and cut through conceptual defenses.
Not super related but I wonder how strong divine spirit iskander would've been if he appeared for more than 2 seconds. There's like a whole ass new servant there they could create from that chapter. Considering some statements prior like the amount of magicules being so heavy the air was hard to breath dude could probably do something insane, don't know what but something was there.
the statements about having a heavy aura or making it hard to breathe are super generic and don't give any details about how strong someone is. Even Archer Herc or Artoria could do that much, and regular iskandar is comparable to them.
if the featless characters rule wasn't there, 「 」 (aka void shiki) would be in the first place but since she's just doesn't care enough to actualy do anything she isn't there
idk where you got that info the closest i could find was that MHX "senses the same aura from Miyamoto Musashi as she did from Shiki" while talking about saber shiki but living「 」is waaay more powerfull the saber shiki she is considered to be the personnification of the root itself 「 」as already experienced every single timeline and event in the nasuverse and anything she wish will come true, *without limits* while in pure combat power she can't do anything, she can just wish that "the opponent never existed" and done but being omnipotent (all powerfull) and omniscient (all knowing) make existence boring so she just sleep inside shiki (so no feats because doesn't actually do anything) her only weakness is the fact that she is tied to human shiki edit : she also state that she could remake the entire nasuverse from the ground up including new laws of physic, but that it would delete the current universe so there is no point
I never expect that Arthur (13 seal released) would be that strong. But what makes me curious is he really that strong or is it just because he has special advantages on defeating those monsters (like beast & the others) so you put him at rank 2? Btw great video 🔥🔥🔥 🙏😀
It's Excalibur but it depends on the constraints.We have not seen Artoria unlock constraints against ennemies but Arthur yes, that's why it's ranked there.By the way without the 13 constraints it is equal to Artoria.Since certain conditions are needed to unlock the constraints so Excalibur 13 seals released>Whore of Babylon.We have seen it.In conclusion in Arthur/Artoria(13 seals released)>Whore of Babylone>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Arthur/Artoria
@@vicount3944 He ranks this high because of Excalibur and his feats. He literally one shot the whore of Babylon who is the strongest beast we've seen so far and since we've never seen anything survive a full power Excalibur (including Sefar) he gets that spot through his feats
Unsealed Excalibur one shotted Sefar in the past. It's stated there was no being on earth who could have beaten sefar during 12,00 BC. Even 100% Zeus or Amaterasu (who rivals the Alien God) couldn't scratch Sefar. Then came a random human with excalibur and one shotted her. In FGO Arcade we get Whore of Babylon, who is stated to be 1 tier above Goetia, and even the combined efforts of GRAND ASSASSIN King Hassan + Merlin + Mash couldn't do anything to her. Then came Arthur and one shotted her no diff. Yes. Excalibur is that strong. It's no surprise that Chaldea wants to use it against the Alien God in the Lostbelts.
Bro this is the best fate power level video i have seen. I mean i have a very very very little arguments about some character but otherwise this is perfect. And this guy explains all this characters powers and feats in the comment that is unbelievable. Hands of to you dude
Thanks. There's room for improvement though. I did get a few things wrong. We learn new stuff constantly and fan translations get corrected with time. The list as a whole is pretty decent.
@@guesswho8556 If you haven't already you could take a look at Angel NOTES. It gives us a little insight on the Types and it takes less than 1 hour to read through. Also the concept is really awesome and I hate that it's only a short story. Maybe we get a little more of that after Nasu is finished with fgo
@@meremsolomon4744 Not sure but when it comes to Excalibur I wouldn't be surprised. Its first wielder was a human right? Excalibur is essentialy just a gigantic blast of mana, so powerful Sefar can't absorb it. I don't think any human could provide that much energy. Therefore I would assume unsealed Excalibur provides it's mana by itself somehow. Wouldn't be the first item to do so. Perhaps I'm wrong though
Good list, I agree with 95%, I just disagree with some things, I also have some questions about the video (I'm using translate, English is not my language). 1-I think Tohsaka is in a very high position I can see some servants like Altera, Richard and Caenis (At sea) defeating her even though she has the jeweled sword and reaction speed of a servant, but I sure can't see her defeating Achilles , the jeweled sword would do nothing because it was designed by shirou and as far as i know he can not reproduce divine constructions , rin has no divinity so the only way for her to win would be to hit his heel , which is almost impossible for her because of that "Dromeus Komētēs: In his legend, Achilles is recorded as the fastest hero in human history. and she would be easily crushed by Akhilleus Kosmos. Same goes for Sieg, Achilles being much faster and more durable without god, Sieg won't even scratch it. 2-You put Yu Meiren above Xiang Yu in the LB3 video, Xiang Yu is here but Yu Mei not why? 3-I thought that Artoria living with Exalibur and Avalon was stronger, like Buddha level, with Avalon she is untouchable since not even an NP Anti-World Rank EX could do anything. 4-And Vritra? I don't know her very well but people on Reddit say she is stronger than Karna and Enkidu, what do you think?. Other than that it was a good list especially when you list all the reasons in the comments. I hope you were able to read it even using translate
1) Shirou was powered by Illya and Rin when he projected the sword. They literally have his mind travel back in time to the 1st HGW when Zelretch used it and killed justeaze von einzbern. After projecting shirou says that he has no idea wtf happened and that he can't comprehend the sword, the same stuff he says when he sees Ea. Each beam fired by the sword is as strong as Excalibur and when rin uses welt ended it creates a giant explosion SEVERAL TIMES STRONGER than the regular beam. Achilles has no way to survive that, and the explosion is so big it would catch his heel no problem. Karna and siegfried are stated to be on par with achilles, and during siegfried vs achille sfight achilles was tagged numerous times. Him being the fastest doesn't mean he blitzes everyone else. Cu Chulainn is the fastest servant in stay night but artoria and herc have no issues keeping up with him or overwhelming him. Same case with sieg. He can fire a NP as strong as vasavi shakti, and his Fafnir form tanked vasavi shakti in FGO. Achilles has no way of taking it down. 2) Yu Mei Ren doesn't have quantifiable feats. We don't know how she compares to the the people above xiang yu. 3) Avalon making her untouchable is irrelevant if you are overall stronger than her. Quetzalcoatl, woodwose and meltryllis are all invulnerable to her, and stronger. She has no hopes of beating any of them. Artoria being buddha level cause avalon makes no sense. Buddha is stronger than kiara, who could have killed CCC Gilgamesh with a wave of her hand if she wanted to. The Power cliffing in Fate is crazy, and Alive artoria is THOUSANDS if not MILLIONS OF TIMES WEAKER than the actual strongest guys. 4) Vritra's abilities are very specific and just like with yumeiren she lacks feats to see how high she can get
Vritra can't even be damaged unless it's at dusk/dawn I forget which, and she can't be injured by man made or divine weaponry (hence why she's afraid of bubble baths, as Indra kills her with a pillar of bubbles in mythology.)
@@guesswho8556 Bro you the first person l meet that some how downplays Achilles speed. Your Cu example also doesn't help since Cu is no where near Achilles in speed. Dude has aliteral Np that powers his speed. I agree with Op. Rin with jewel sword is like achild with a light saber. Sure it is lethal if she pricks you with it but can She? Remember shiki? She has the freaking mystic eyes of death yet all she can manage is a defensive battle vs servants. Humans are too weak and slow and in experienced to fight servants. Rin will be killed before she can even blink or consider using her sword. Consider this, Rin had the capacity and ability to oneshot emiya Archer with her gems. But could she if the t came down to it in a fight? Emiya would skewer her before she even blinks. The jewel sword is nothing new, Rin always had the power to oneshot aservant (low magic resist servants) but she couldn't apply it due to human stats. The jewel sword doesn't fix that issue
I have something in mind that really got me thinking, although it's not related to this tier list. Let's say that Tiamat actually succeded on climbing back up from the Underworld, and then nuking everybody else with her NP Nammu Duranki as well as flooding the entire planet with her Chaos Tide. If I remember correctly, Goetia was so sure that Tiamat would've won against Chaldea. In this 'what if' scenario where his confidence about Tiamat beating Chaldea actually come true, what's Goetia gonna do next, since Tiamat apparently already wiped out humanity and all other life forms by that time? We know that Goetia have no way on properly killing Tiamat because of her complex immortality haxes either. So what's your take for such 'what if' scenario where Tiamat won?
Good list. but I feel like yu mierien(true ancestor form)should be somewhere on this list. She was casually fighting multiple servants, spamming her np using earth as resource similar to arcued. We needed to be ultra buffed by koyansaka just to survive.
Astarte should’ve been higher. Her body is an outrageous form of the primitive universe itself, and with galaxy life theory she only accepts attacks from the same existence rank as herself (over Galactic scale). Even Chaos is on the fixed stars scale
Ashtart Origin can be damaged with attacks below Galaxy level. Sigurd literally shattered her saint graph in 2 with a single NP blast. You need a Planet-Galaxy NP to destroy her ENTIRE body, but as shown with Sigurd, weaker attacks can defeat her as well.
It's because he fought a nerfed Arjuna alter I think, if Super Karna had to fight with 100% Arjuna alter he would have losed. Arjuna alter nerfed and super karna are basically at the same level and by tge dialogues Karna still had a Hard time to defeat him.
All Super Karna did is beat Arjuna Alter with 0 Divinity in a brawl. Ishtar with 3/7 of her divinity is weaker than a gallu, the fodder spirits Ana killed in the Babylonia anime that were killing the elderly. Divinity/Authority/Faith is an EXPONENTIAL BOOST, so if Ishtar at 3/7 is fodder to SUPPRESSED Ana, then Super Karna beating HIGH DIFF Arjuna Alter in CQC with no faith whatsoever doesn't make him remotely comparable to FULL POWER Arjuna Alter, let alone Mahapralaya. Surtr would one shot Super Karna without even using his NP.
It will only happen in fgo since this is where the concept of grand servant is most developed.Besides what I liked in this ranking of Arthur and Artoria is that we saw Arthur unlocking constraints not Artoria hence the ranking of the two is different.Besides even in the top 2 of Arthur/Artoria we are not sure because he depends on the real power of Excalibur.Moreover even if it hurts😓, the concept of great saber will surely apply to Artoria since it's the true of the nasuverse.
Very good list as a whole its must have been a pain to do some many characters, well done I only have some questions Servantverse characters as a whole slap the rest of Fate Why is Space Ishtar full power not first? Gil 1.5 is confirmed to be unable to make full use of Gate of Babylon such as EA and Enkidu, so why he is so high up Where did the writers say Artoria would draw with serious Gilgamesh? Artoria said she will lose to Gil if he wasn't suprised by Avalon meaning she only had one chance to beat him The rest I have no issue with although maybe Kirschtaria with Sirius light should be above Romulous As morgan and Beryl both claim Kirschtaria is the only one who could have beaten them (Not counting betrayal)
1) Space Ishtar was taken down by Sigurd, and regular servants can react to her attacks and block them. She would get slapped by anyone above her on the list. She has high firepower but it takes her a long ass time to charge, has low speed, and can be defeated if you just destroy her core. 2) It was never stated that Gilgamesh II can't use Ea or Enkidu. Either way, Enkidu himself said that he couldn't beat him on his own, and needed Larva Tiamat + Lancelot + Kintoki + Tamamo + Mash to help him to actually beat Nebuchadnezzar. 3) Fate/Zero 2013 interview: "TMF : Well, well the last question of the interview. If Gilgamesh was serious when he fought Saber, who would win? U : The problem is that a serious Gilgamesh doesn't exist. But, if that ever happened and he fought Saber, neither would win. Nasu said it. KS : Oh! All : [laughs] TMF : We can't say anything. KS : We bow down." Artoria never said she would lose, but that she couldn't win. Just because Enkidu can't beat Gilgamesh doesn't mean he'd lose to him. That's what being TIED means.
@@KalkiRanesh mash had help from caster cu, and salter wasn't going all out. Mash can technically tie with salter because lord Camelot can block almost any attack but she is way weaker than Salter.
@@guesswho8556 lol I wasn't being a hater or anything, it just a lot of these placements caught me off guard. Could have swear some was a tad bit more stronger than others. You got balls doing a list like this and I respect that as a fellow Fate fan 👍
Really nice fanarts on a lot of the characters, even though the list is pretty inaccurate but hey Type-moon universe is pretty fkn huge no wonder you missed including Zelretch at all ^^
Great I'm surprised you didn't include Ash (with his immortality that make him tank VS), Mao Nobu (you ranked her higher than Arash in you GudaGuda video) and especially Darius (from Prillya), is there any reason they're not here ? Also Mélu bellow Ivan, Nova's taking the loss. Nice. 👌
@@guesswho8556 Well, there is characters in the list whose high ball is unknown (Ishtar, QSH, Ibuki, Douman, Koyanskaya just from the top of my head), I believe it would have been fair to put at least Ash (probably Mao too) at their low ball. OH, also I just realised you put Iskandar higher than Scathach ! Another loses for mister N.
Chaos is protected by his Cross Dimensional Maze, which as far as we know, arthur can't bypass. His durability is also so crazy he can't be destroyed by AAS tier nukes. And on top of that, he has access to Zeus's Final Judgement Keraunos.
One day, my mother had brought me to observe the king from the shadows - a steel figure of bravery, and austerity, and temperance. “That is your goal. That is the enemy you must defeat. That is the king you must fell.” Impossible - how could I hope to overcome such flawless elegance? The king’s judgment, the king’s swordsmanship, the king’s strategies; they were all the utter definition of perfection. As a knight, I brought down those who opposed the king. “Why do you oppose your king,” I would ask. They would retort, “our king is far too infallible.” What fools. Was that not exactly why our king was great? In all of man’s long history, when had there ever been such a perfect king? Most who called themselves kings were cruel, and proud, and contemptuous - presenting their own greed as a source of joy for their people. These kings gave dreams to those who follow them, or took them away, but upon even once having their own dreams taken from their grasp, they left disaster in their wake with no thoughts for the future. “All who become king are the same. They steal from the people, and the people must steal in turn." But the King of Knights had no selfish desires. The king saw only what was needed, and everything else might as well not exist. The king carried no dreams, forging ahead only to unite our homeland - a pure existence as exquisite as a sharpened blade.
I'm surprised, I don't agree with some things but I agree with most and if it seems to make sense and it's not just a whim to put your fav character as the most powerful (because I've seen them XD) It's one of the most accurate lists on the franchise, you're definitely brave putting this up because faters get mad if they don't see their fav pj all the way up (it must have happened to you with Muramasa idk) Sorry if seems weird i don't speak English 😂👍
Morgan>Arjuna and Zeus. Now people will finally understand this. Its annoying how people are downplaying Morgan just because she's a mage and has a frail body compared to the other two that they ignore how busted her abilities compared to them.
@@jeanniemaycrawford4466 eeh not really Morgan with only 1 Rhongo is already said to be able to hold her own against any LB King, which puts her at least on the same level as the Zeus that Chaldea faced (35% KK), she has 12 to use at once, and Arjuna doesn't compare to the two at all, he's a mosquito close to Zeus But you can try to argue from a hypothetical Zeus 100%, but nothing concrete
Gilgamesh is one of my favorite fate characters, but going by the fact it isn't even mythological mystic code, I heavily doubt he's even going to make it into the top 50 going by your own scaling.
@@gilgameshkingofheroes5903 N70:"is it gilgamesh in his mythological mystic code or just regular plain ccc gilgamesh?" Guess who:"Normal" Source:community tab when he asked what placement they thought gil was going to be.
Good opinion indeed, but allow me to state some opinion of mine as well regarding Tamamo no Mae. Tamamo once mentioned on her 2nd interlude in FGO where she said that she sealed away her other 9 tails due to cause many troubles arround. She also stated that not only being able to rival Solomon but can also cause the destruction of the multiverse itself, an apocalypse. However, a friend of mine once said otherwise. He told me these: "Somewhere according to Rider Da Vinci she once stated that servants can never destroy planets". My other friend replied: "But Tamamo and Altera could probably does the impossibility of a planet destruction". "Servants which history is not on Earth could also do that". Though it lacks of evidence, majority of us does agree that it is possible for a servant to reach that point. Archetype Earth herself has the whole Earth on her hand.
Regular servants are not planet busters. That was stated by Da Vinci in Shinjuku. Tamamo with her 9 tails is no longer a regular servant. The same goes for Sefar (Altera's full potential)
@@guesswho8556 not at fucking all. Opening a "gate" to a foreign world that is incompatible with humanity, creating distortions within the target's mind and body, a rhizome is born alongside the QliphothWP, the tree of evil. The target "key", Abigail, has her individual consciousness restrained. This is why it is an Anti-Unit Noble Phantasm. Normally, it should be considered an Anti-World Noble Phantasm, possessing a property of endlessness Her key can literally connect to anything and why she didnt kill us it’s because she isnt used to that ability. Muramasa below iskandar and vlad? The muramasa alter ego? Musashi below Iskandar as well? I guess iskandar can cook the entire losbelt alone
@@nicolascreo5295 Yeah I agree with you, also Idk why Ishtar is below Gilgamesh when she has ability to allow control Gugalanna. So ofc, this is 2 years ago and some Servants has changed and become more powerful than before. As I read in Fate/GO game about Ishtar's Bond a bit and I saw she tried active Gugalanna to revenge on Gilgamesh and Gugalanna went berserk. So, Ishtar got sealed the ability to unable control Gugalanna. This video is kinda not make sense anymore.
Well, i expected that number 1. Other characters/organisms in fate might be able to destroy civilization, some maybe destroys planets, but that thing eats planets for a snack. At 3% functionality.... by its own assessment, it's a "scrap machine" or "deflated tire" compared to its glory days A scrap malfunctioning machine that snacks on planets
Ngl upon thinking a while about it kingu being above enkidu and gil is kinda silly to me Cuz it was alive gil comparing kingu with alive enkidu Meanwhile u have both of enkidu's interludes say he evolves with each summon as he is a singular body amassing experience, he even gets kingu's power And gil gets stronger the longer humanity goes on and his vault increases The way i see it current enkidu and gil > kingu > enkidu and gil in their heyday alive Dude trust me The stray jacket i wear is for the drip nothing else
@@guesswho8556 the logic i follow considering whats said in enkidu's interlude is He always gets better and everything that goes on with his body gets stored in the throne unlike most if not all other servants Every enkidu that gets summoned from now (chaldea's for example) will have kingu's stuff too and build upon it
@@enkidu1623 They never surpass their alive counterparts. In SF Gilgamesh is under a 1st rate master and powered by the leylines and Ea is still way weaker than when he was alive. ALIVE = 100 Stage 1 = 30 "oh, gil gets 3 times stronger in his interlude, that'd mean he beats his alive counterpart." No cunt, he just got a PL of 90 I made up the numbers, but does that make sense?
@@guesswho8556 Well with circumstances itd vary yes But imagine if current gil and enkidu had the enviorment that was present when they were alive Like ye idk for gil, but enkidu is indeed said he only gets better Hes not surpassing pre shamat enkidu ofc But he should every other past humanoid enkidu and gil's treasury expanding with human creations indirectly buffs Ea
@@enkidu1623 Better compared to his stage 1 self. Sigurd in his 1st ascension can't even use gram in combat. It doesn't make his final ascension stronger than his alive counterpart
It was the Heroic Spirit who had manifested isolated in time. Her “it” was overwhelmingly, different. Different from what she had expected. Since he was a Heroic Spirit who could be likened to a bear and a dragon, he just had this much finer physique. He was different from an ideal. If she had to say it, the male who was expressing an even more sharp expression was fine, and yet……. No. No. No! Even if he did have the one property of overflowing prana, he was different from what she had thought. He was just so different, and she was definitely surprised by him……... And happy. And aflutter. And then, she truly―――――fell in love with him at first sight. He was sincere, proud. And kind. That smile of his, shined softly, just like the morning sun. He was a kind person, who believed in justice, and loved goodness. And even though he hated conflict, he was stronger than anyone if he whipped out his sword once. His shining sword, wards off, all of the wicked, the evil in this world. A prince from a fairy tale? No. He was a king. He, was most definitely the king of old Britain whose way of life was handed down far and wide. In addition to undoubtedly existing as a Heroic Spirit who was carved onto the throne, he was a hero who had been summoned as a Servant to obey the Magus who was throwing down the gauntlet in this Holy Grail War. He was the most powerful and most superior――――user of the holy blade of the stars. He was the king of knights who had clad his body in blue and silver, and who had achieved manifestation through the great magic of Heroic Spirit summoning, and the might of the Holy Grail which had been brought into Tokyo. The first ranked Servant, Saber. His true name was Arthur Pendragon. He was surely, in the past, present and future, her one and only fated one in this world.
In terms of Top Tier servants, which one would be likely the weakest servants among them? The one that "if you beat him you surely must been one" The top of the top would be Gil/Ozy
Jeanne is considered to be weak even by Top servant standards. Cu Chulainn and Gawain weren't top servants, so I'd say that anyone that can beat those 3 should be Top Servant level as well
Karna is imo stronger than both Gil and Ozy. If It weren't for the writers constantly writing out Kavacha because of how broken it is then there's no way Gil or Ozy could beat him. Keep in mind Kavacha is powerful enough to keep Jinako from getting erased by the fucking Mooncell, EA would already struggle to kill Karna with Kavacha equipped even without its true name being released.
@@gibbygibbstein7858 if the true name of the armor isn't released the armor is fodder. It only reduces 90% damage so if you are 10 times stronger than karna's base durability you can kill him no problem. Cu Alter while POISONED killed Karna with a regular blow, and in Apocrypha they state that Siegfried could chop Karna's head off if he was careless. The Moon Cell wouldn't be able to kill Jinako because as the Moon it has no authority over the Sun deities. That's haxx, not a power feat for karna. Karna with the true name release could block Ea, yes, but don't overhype it either.
@@guesswho8556 But that's the thing though, only their nps could do that and I'm not even sure about Ozy's, because outside of their nps neither of them are 10× stronger than Karnas base durability which is already high.
Grrr you did it, you put Artoria Saber superior to Gil I will never agree with this point of view but whatever, I thought that the "Mystic Code" team of Excella would be placed higher
Artoria from the Fate Route was stated by Nasu and the Fate/Zero Author to be equally matched with SERIOUS Gilgamesh. If she were under a 1st rate master instead of shirou she'd be stronger. This is a fact.
@@vicount3944 Kiritsugu is also ass. He is a bit better than Shirou sure, but still can't have Artoria fight at full strength, also she is missing the biggest thing that matters, AVALON. Nasu already confirmed that Saber Alter can beat Gil if she has a good master so a full power Artoria WITH Avalon bring above Gil is perfectly logical.
@@vicount3944 fatigued after fighting lancelot boosted by Mad Enhancement and an Anti-Dragon sword. Kiritsugu doesn't have enough mana for artoria to go all out either, and she didn't have avalon. Nasu and the Fate/Zero author were talking about Artoria WITH Avalon during the fate route.
First of all, i appreciate the effort involved to create this with the breadth of characters and lore involved. Whilst i do not believe it is possible to make a linear top 100 as fate is not A>B and B>C then A >C by default - it gives an idea of the tiers by way of segmentation. 1- Arjuna's np charge time: Im sure we had a discussion about this and here you are saying charlie charged his np before arjuna when the latter did not charge his np at all. If you follow the scene step by step, he only charges it after karna starts to charge his second VS. Before that, there was no indication whatsoever so unless there is proof he was charging his np from the get go when karna used his np the first, i dont agree what you said regarding Arjuna. 2- Orion is too high: Honestly by feats alone he kinda sucks in general applications bcz even though that 3rd shot was powerful it was a hax move limited to artemis. It would not be as effective against someone else. Plus he needed a divine contruct made for him and a servant as an arrow. On his own as a grand, how will he have access to those? His requirements are a joke and even with everything his feat was only prominent bcz it was a shot solely for artemis. Against someone else it would be as strong as his first two arrows at best. In all honesty i doubt he could even fire those arrows bcz when he was summoned as a grand he ddnt have a divine bow. So yhh he's meh and even 30% achilles had better feats than him if we take their OWN arsenals. 3- MELUSINE > Ivan? I aint played lb6 but wasnt she comparable to morgan? She could be a lot higher. 4- Achilles is above Rin. If ozy and karna are he should be too. His chariot and his speed alone would let him dodge rins best attack and then blitz her in mere seconds. And lets not forget the absurdity that lb5 gave him which is "i am dead but can still fight". He can pull out a karna bs and just tank rins best move should he be unfortunate to get hit with (which i highly dount) then kill her after her sword had been destroyed. 5- Arjuna alter is an almagation of fused divine spirit. I aint played 5.2 but isnt Romulus also a divine spirit? Even when summoned as a grand i doubt he is ×1000 arjuna. Statements alone are not to be used for that ridiculous powerscaling. Logically speaking, at his peak which was at the start of lb4 Vasavi Shakti couldn't graze him. Same VS which defeated a low level Sefar. I doubt Romulus or Morgan can tank using no defense techniques and come unscathed. Hell with his absurd authorities including that immortality which is absurd, he has the capacity to kill many characters placed above him if they show up in his territory. I doubt wodime's np which is a horde of meteors can harm him at this point. And dont his zeus fight bcz this is a matter of compatibility which favours arjuna. PS. Karna's 1st and 2nd pic look cool. So does archer Arjuna's 1st qnd 2nd pic. Got the link for all four? I may have differing opinions but gotta hand it to the choices of pics!
First of all, thanks for the support. With so many characters it's impossible for the list to follow "A > B > C therefore A > C" if all we care is about "Who would WIN". You need to look at this list as a "Who is OVERALL Superior" rather than who can beat "EVERY SINGLE character below them". Iskandar can't beat Gigantic Horror, but he is stated to be as powerful as Altera and Karna, and in Fate/Zero they also state that IH rivals Excalibur, or that if Waver hadn't been in danger he may have succeeded killing Artoria with Via Expugnatio before she fired Excalibur. He is overall stronger than everyone else below him. 1. We already discussed it and didn't get to anything. We'll have to agree to disagree. 2. Even without Ortygya Amore Mio, his Aegis Eclypse enhanced Orion Orkos was already so strong it took 2 consecutive blasts from Artemis's NP to block it. Orion wasn't even using his Grand Servant Saint Graph by then, so I don't think Ortygya Amore Mio working only on Artemis means he'd be be way lower if he didn't have Paris' Arrow or a Command Spell boost. Even without Aegis Eclypse he should be comparable to 5 Tailed Koyanskaya since he was supposed to beat her on his own without aiding Chaldea. 5 Tailed Koyan was so strong Musashi said she could blow up the entire Greek LB if she got angry. 3. The statements in LB6 are a mess. Some call Melusine the strongest fairy, whereas others reserve that title for Morgan or Woodwose. Melusine struck Muramasa's core 12 times and didn't kill him, whereas Woodwose blew up his entire upper torso with a single blow in an alternate timeline (they had a vision of what would happen if they fought woodwose without prep). The gap between Woodwose and Fairy Knight Lancelot is massive. Even if we include her Dragon form, she was still one shotted by Percival (who couldn't even tickle Woodwose) and her dragon fire couldn't one shot the Nautilus (which we know Artemis' NP/Zeus' thunderbolts can). Ivan on the other hand was implied by Atalanta to be evenly matched with PHH Divine Spirit Zeus, who was stated to dwarf the other PHH Olympians, and we know Apollo/Ares were equal to PRIME ALIVE Heracles. 4) Rin reacted to the Shadow Giants which could react to Herc, Cu, and La Pucelle. Achilles' superior speed shouldn't be much of an issue. Welt Ende is also SEVERAL TIMES stronger than anything in Achilles' Arsenal, and she can fire it at point blanc right next to her without killing herself. 5) Machine God Zeus is stated to be "ENTIRE ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE" above Arjuna Alter in power, and when he powers up with the Kronos Crown he becomes 1,000+ times stronger. Quirinus' profile states that he is equal to Zeus, and in LB5.2 they establish several times that they are planning to summon a Grand Servant powerful enough to kill Zeus (after having established he shits on Arjuna). Quirinus is also the main reason they defeated Zeus in the first place.
@@guesswho8556 1: ok, but by strictly going with the flow of the fight, it does not indicate arjuna's np was too slow to keep up. It wont go anywhere so lets leave it at that. 2- Just bcz orion was summoned to fight koyanskaya it does not indicate his powerlevel. His feats are shit and honestly, on his own i doubt he could have access to his divine bow. He is basically featless on his own so to speak. Comparable to achilles 30% at base without showing his grand saint graph. Tbh its kinda stupid bcz as a grand he should be strong from the get go at base yet he felt very underwhelming. He basically needs a forging god, someone's divine contruct, and master support. Without that as i said hes featless and sucks tbh especially at this stage of the list. 3- This one counteracts with point 5. Statements are a mess and many times inconsistent. Thus the ×1000 scaling is inacurate imo. Context and logical assessment matters. Thus what i said in point 5 is valid imo. What Arjuna can tank, morgan and Romulus cant for example. Or that overally he has a good capacity to beat them. Ignoring the statements and just looking at their arsenals, feats and compatibility in 1v1 scenarios. This may sound stupid but as servants arjuna alter has better stats than both of them. Stats dont mean much to you ik but we know how powerful vortigen is and as a servant albeit much weaker his stats reflects that. 4- I just cant see achilles loosing to Rin. Using shadows to scale her and heracles fleeing from it ignoring the compatibility and the context of the scenes make her scaling innacurate. Moreover the Rin's miniature excaliblasts wont touch achilles let alone injure him if made contact. Her strongest move may have a chance to injure his heel but thats a big if consodering achilles has his chariot and his speed to escape the blast. Even if by chance it hits him, will he did immediately? He has insane endurance as shown in lb5 being hit twice by chirons np. One directly to his heel. The secont to his heart. Yet he lived on. Rin has nothing to surmount that. Each beam wears her body down and she has one chance to use her best move which im pretty sure achilles can either karna it or use his shield and call it a game. Lastly you said she can fire at point blank range without killing herself. That means there must be a safe zone even at point blank range. Achilles can just move right next to her and just watch the blast lol. That point was weird to make tbh bcz in the vn she hurls the knife a good few metres away from her so it aint exactly point blank but even if she can achilles can just stand right next to her and watch the blast. Its funny and stupid tbh xD Thanks for the pic. I'd appreciate the others too!
@@guesswho8556 On another note, you said you were focusing on who is stronger overall. In arthur's case, overally he is not that strong bcz the conditions he needs for like dozens and dozens of characters below him wont be fullfilled. Thus most of them would wipe the floor with him including high tier servants who are not even top 20 like Ozy. If he had that shit on demand then yes overall Arthur would easily be very high.
@@bluemoon9683 2) Yeah on his own he wouldn't have the divine bow, but I'm not ranking the characters in their base forms. If that was the case I wouldn't include fusions, LB amps such as Russian Avicebron, or the Mythological Mystic Code. This is just the strongest version of each character. I I'd also like to remark that Orion only needed a Command Spell to fire his 3rd NP because he had already been damaged after firing Orion Orkos 2 times. 3) Paremeters here are irrelevant if someone is stated/shown to be stronger. By that logic cursed arm should be stronger than EMIYA or Merlin in a sword fight. Zeus is 1,000+ times stronger when he has the kronos crown, and even without it he was considered the strongest LB villain, surpassing even ARjuna by entire orders of magnitude. Quirinus was stated to be their trump card at taking him down, and when he was summoned Zeus literally went silent and his dialogue was "??????????". He literally went "wtf dude". 4) The shadow Giants have good compatibility with her, yes, but if they were considerably slower herc wouldn't need to run away from 1 of them at max speed. They were also shown catching Cu's foot (the fastest servant in stay night) or killing Gil before he could react. Sure Gil wasn't serious, but still. IN UBW he reacts to a surprise attack from FULL POWER Artoria while he was fighting Shirou, where he wasn't serious either. In Apocrypha they straight up react to Jeanne's EX La Pucelle. Achilles is fast, but not that fast enough to blitz all those characters. As for Achilles being durable, ok, he did good against the Atlantis Guards that are stated to be fodder to the ones in Olympus that were being one shotted by Caenis and Musashi. He is tanky, but he would survive a blast as strong or SEVERAL TIMES Stronger than Excalibur? Not a chance. When I said point blanc I was thinking about the regular beams, not welt ende. I mixed them up in the same sentence, but still. She can SPAM excalibur tier nukes at point blanc
There was a monster called Humbaba. We combined our powers to defeat it. I asked him, why did you decide to defeat Humbaba? It wasn’t an order from the gods. And I don’t think it was for the sake of the people of Uruk either. “It was to protect Uruk though? If we don’t defeat all evil on the Earth, our people will starve to death.” So why, I asked again. He made the people of Uruk suffer by his tyranny, so why was he worried for them now? “It’s not so strange. I was born to be a protector of humanity, after all. Building the future of this planet is the king’s duty.” As he said that, his gaze was so far away. So far not even I, who was made in the same way, could see what he was seeing. “There are different kinds of protection. Just guarding things from danger is not protection. There are times when even the north wind is necessary.” This time, I understood him perfectly. “I see. So you preferred the path you saw here.” He laughed as if embarrassed. It was a laugh like a cool breeze, one he sometimes laughed as a child. …I understood why he preferred isolation. It was because the path he had chosen was one he had to walk alone. He said he was protecting a distant future he could see. That was why he had to be alone, hating gods and men. The more he loved the future of humanity, the less he could be involved with anyone. Arbitrator and reaper. The king obtains only the results. There was no way he, who was more than human, could intervene in the glorious process from which such results are born.
We don't know how strong he is. He is stated to be on par with karna (if not stronger) but we don't know if that applies to CQC only or full arsenal vs Full arsenal. He never used any of his NPs so he doesn't have any feat that would rank him higher than any of these guys.
@@guesswho8556 he did defeat Koyanskaya tho. But I don’t know how many tails she had anymore so idk if it’s a good feat tbh. But isn’t the fact that he was worthy of being Karna’s training partner worth something?
This list seems accurate. The music is great and the images look fantastic. It's a cool video. I have a couple of questions about this top: 1)Why are Musashi and Yagyuu on this list while servants like Siegfried and Lancelot aren't? 2)How would Okita Alter beat Saber Alter? Why is she that high 3)Same question to Golden huge bear 4)Super Karna is indefinitely stronger than regular Karna since the Arjuna he fought was indefinitely weakened. So why did you put him above Gugalana and Ivan?
1) Musashi and Yagyuu are stronger than Siegfried and Lancelot. It's that simple. Kintoki was shown fighting Berserker Lancelot seemingly even. This same Kintoki is equal to Shuten, who even while buffed couldn't hold a candle to Saber of Empireo. Shuten stated that she would need her ALIVE Body to stand a chance at actually fighting Empireo on equal ground. This is the same Saber of Empireo that was one shotted by Musashi the very first time she used her Noble Phantasm. Yagyuu as a Servant is stronger than Saber of Empireo since he gains access to his NP as well. Musashi was also able to cut off Ivan the Terrible's trunk whereas Adam built with Divine materials couldn't even scratch him. Gawain on the other hand always gets his NP blocked either by Nero or Lancelot. There's just no comparison. Musashi (NP) >>> Saber of Empireo >= ALIVE Shuten >>>> Shuten = Kintoki >=< Berserker Lancelot. 2. Okita Alter is a what if version of Okita that didn't die at a young age from tuberculosis and managed to reach her full potential. If that wasn't enough, she is buffed by the Counter Force. She saves all her strength to power her NP, so she dies right after firing it similar to Arash. We don't have definitive evidence of how she stacks to people from Stay Night. She never fought any of them. It's just my take based on what we know of her. 3. Golden Huge Bear was as strong as Machine God Aphrodite. 4. Before Arjuna Alter lost his authority completely, Lakshmibai expressed uncertainty as to whether super karna could beat him or not. She didn't believe Arjuna had a clear advantage, so that means Super Karna should be comparable to somewhat weakened Arjuna Alter.
@@guesswho8556 Couldn't she only cut Ivan's trunk after he Salieri weakened? Lancelot and Kintoki fought for an unknown period of time using unknown abilities. How can you use that to compare them? Siegfried would also have a massive edge thanks to his armour. how strong is machine God Aphrodite without her mind haxx? I don't remember her machine body being all that impressive how strong was that weakened Arjuna?
@@ranonjyke53 musashi was also weakened due to ivan's emergency prerogative skill. The fight needed to be interrupted. It doesn't matter whether lancelot had a slight edge or not. The gap between musashi and kintoki is massive.
@@guesswho8556 Which is the bigger nerf then? If Lancelot didn't use Arondight nor knight of the Lake then he would be a lot weaker. If Kintoki had his madness Enhancement then he would be a lot stronger. Context matters The servant I really wanted to ask about was Siegfried. He has Balmung, which I doubt these 2 can handle and AoF makes it impossible for Musashi and Yagyuu to even hurt him. How are they stronger than him?
@@ranonjyke53 I don't know how Lancelot getting Arondight is gonna make him stronger than someone that can one shot Saber of Empireo, who Kintoki has no chance at defeating. Lancelot was on par with Artoria in Zero and even after getting Arondight he couldn't one shot her.The increase in power wasn't that big. If you can one shot people that are way way way stronger than kintoki, Lancelot is not gonna pose a problem. Musashi's and Yagyuu's Noble Phantasms are A+/EX rank respectively. Armor of Fafnir is not gonna block them.
the people who say Gilgamesh is the strongest haven't seen fate in the first place. Artoria has been stated to be equal to SERIOUS and ALIVE Gilgamesh numerous times by the creator of Fate.
Is kirstaria really that strong? I knew he had the power to stop rhongo and get a lot of mana from using the universe as a magic circuit, but at the same time without his ability to cast down meteors does he have any ability that lets him confront a servant on the ground? I mean if one of the best close quarters combatant attacked him or a barrage of weapons from fare of Babylon dies he have the ability to survive that besides nuking the opponent before he get closer?
@@guesswho8556 I meant, what if you stop the meteors with a defensive phantasm, does he have any other abilities that we know of or is he just going to throw another nuke at you from space?
vortigern has weaknesses that can be exploited, such as his real body being weaker than his NP. The alien god is just that strong without having shown any of her abilities.
-Artemiiis! His call rang out to the heavens like a lion's roar. -Am I here right now because I'm a Grand Servant? Or because I'm the man who shot down a goddess? ...I bet it's both. I renounce my Grand status so that I might finally shoot down Artemis, the moon goddess! I won't let you fall for anyone else but me! Nobody else but me can wield this bow! Nobody else but me can bring you down!I was summoned here of my own volition, and I'm aiming my shot at you of my own volition too! Orion nocks the arrow, but the light of death that Mandricardo held back comes barreling towards him once more. He simply looks up at it and smiles a fierce, indomitable smile. ...That's right. You're broken. You were broken long ago. You must've hit your limits forever ago. You must've broken down ages ago. You've been drifting around the sky by yourself for ten thousand years, without anything to brighten your day. You could not even conceive of asking for help anymore, all because you're a goddess. I should have realized it sooner. I was a fool for refusing to do this, all because I didn't want to hurt you. ...And you're a fool too, for wishing you didn't have to hurt anyone. I think that's the key difference between you here and you in Proper Human History. All of you should've come down to Earth, even if it meant you'd end up hurting others or getting hurt yourselves. -So get ready, Artemis. Because I'm about to hurt the hell out of you! He pulls back the string on the bow forged by a god. He draws back the golden arrow made by transforming a Heroic Spirit's body. -You've been up there alone for too long, Artemis! It's time you came down! The man who renounced his Grand status calls out to the goddess floating high above him. -...Don't worry. I'll be right here falling with you. So many heroes gave their lives so he could come this far. Francis Drake. Mochizuki Chiyome. Charlotte Corday. Bartholomew Roberts. Achilles. Hektor. Mandricardo. Paris. Apollo. All of their sacrifices were leading up to this moment! Noble Phantasm... His third Noble Phantasm is one that shouldn't even exist. It could only be achieved by a Servant renouncing Grand status, wielding a bow forged by a god, with an arrow made from a Heroic Spirit. An arrow he fires not out of hatred, nor conflict, nor hostility, nor with the desire to kill... ...with compassion, and love. -Ortygia Amore Mio!!! I figured it out. I figured it out way back then! You weren't acting rationally when you blew up your terminal and the island she was on. You were acting emotionally. You were angry...and jealous. Things you would never feel if you were just a machine! Which means these past ten thousand years must have been unbearable for you! Did you really think I could stand seeing you in such constant distress? The golden light tore through the divine blast and kept sailing on. Orion's Noble Phantasm raced towards its destination with speed and power unlike anything the world had ever seen. It was an arrow created solely for Artemis. An arrow fired out of his love for her. An arrow more powerful than anything. An arrow that would ignore all of Artemis's defenses, evade every unfair obstacle in its path, and find its way to her core with unfailing accuracy. She feels herself falling apart. She was supposed to be indestructible, yet here she is, crumbling to pieces. The moon goddess falls to ruin not out of sin, nor out of punishment...but out of love.
*1) CHAOS:* It is stated that even an attack with as much Mana as GOETIA’s ARS ALMADEL SALOMONIS wouldn’t be able to destroy Chaos. It could be argued that Chaos is weaker than the Alien God since the Alien God’s SAINT GRAPH was stated to be “2nd only to Goetia” but this is a leap in logic for 3 reasons. a) It contradicts the Chaos > AAS statement. b) Da Vinci couldn’t get a read on Chaos’ mana, so she has no way of knowing how he compares to the Alien God. c) We don’t know if Chaos even has a Saint Graph in the 1st place. Chaos is just a massive star with a mechanical disk around it. There’s no reason for it to have an Earthling vessel. Leaving his durability aside, Chaos can also fire beams moving FTL and strong enough to one shot CHIEF GOD Ares. His body is also shielded by a Cross-Dimensional Maze that makes it impossible for people to reach him in a straight line. It took all of Romulus-Quirinus’ mana to build a path for the Nautilus to reach him.
*2) PROTO ARTHUR:* He basically defeated Whore of Babylon (the strongest Beast we have seen thus far) 1v1 just by releasing an unspecified number of seals. With all 13 Seals released, he would be stronger than SEFAR (Atlantis Civilization Absorbed + Sword of Mars) as well. If Artoria released all her seals she would be ranked here as well.
*3) SEFAR:* If we only took into account RAW STRENGTH, then Sefar would be slightly below AMATERASU since it’s stated that her 7th stage has a Power Level of 300,000,000 (right below Amaterasu’s 387,420,489). However, this PL doesn’t take into account Sefar’s ABILITIES. Sefar can absorb ALL MANA-based attacks. Even if you fire an attack = to her HP, it will just cause her to absorb it and grow stronger, doubling her HP. It is stated multiple times that not a single entity in 12,000 BC could have possibly beaten Sefar. Even ARES, the god that performed against her the best, wasn’t able to lay a SINGLE FINGER ON HER. This means that ZEUS and AMATERASU (who did even worse than Ares) couldn’t even scratch her. In LB5 it took Zeus FUSING with the other 11 OLYMPIANS to fight her to what was “ALMOST A DRAW”. This is without even mentioning that LB Sefar hadn’t become as strong as in PHH, since she didn’t get to absorb the Atlantis Civilization and steal the SWORD OF MARS as she did originally. Even though PHH Sefar was considerably stronger than her LB Counterpart, she was still no match for FULL POWER EXCALIBUR.
*4) SODOM’S BEAST (Mature):* Even while in her Juvenile form, Draco had a 3rd Planetary Class Saint Graph (the same rank as the Alien God) and could perform a duplicate of Goetia’s ARS ALMADEL SALOMONIS. In her Mature form she reaches 1st Planetary Class, surpassing even Goetia, and therefore any other character Chaldea has met in FGO up to LB6. Even the combined efforts of GRAND ASSASSIN King Hassan + Merlin + Mash couldn’t do anything to her. They needed to have Arthur arrive with EXCALIBUR to actually take her down. She is lower than Sefar since there’s no evidence she could toy with ZEUS/AMATERASU tier characters to the extent Sefar did.
*5) TIAMAT (Full Power):* Ushi Alter stated that it takes a NP capable of gathering all the magical energy of the entire era to destroy the Sea of Life. In other words, *”only ARS ALMADEL SALOMONIS can RIVAL Tiamat.”* Kingu also stated that not even the King of Mages would be able to stop Tiamat. Even if you wanna argue that neither of them knew about all of Goetia’s abilities, they did know about the Human Incineration and the 72 Demon Gods, and they still said that they were RIVALS at best. This would make Tiamat in her 2nd form AT LEAST stronger than GRAND CASTER “SOLOMON” and AMATERASU. The Lion King, who had a deeper knowledge of Goetia’s true nature, as she knew about the temple of time, and even called him "the original sin of humankind" aka Beast I, still thought that Tiamat may surpass him in power. All in all, Tiamat >= Goetia. It is also worth noting that the “Goetia > Alien God > Everyone else” statement doesn’t take into account Tiamat at FULL POWER since Chaldea never saw her TRUE GODDESS form OUTSIDE of the UNDERWORLD which was NERFING her to 1/7th of her Divinity. Divinity being an EXPONENTIAL BOOST, since Ishtar at 3/7 of her Divinity is stated to be weaker than a GALLU (the fodder ghosts Ana was killing in Uruk’s suburbs). Unless you believe Ishtar is just TWICE as strong as someone that gets one shotted by SUPPRESSED Ana, then Tiamat in the Underworld would be dozens, if not hundreds of times weaker than she would have been in the surface.
*6) SOLOMON [10 RINGS] (ALIVE):* The Solomon that fought Goetia in the Solomon Singularity would be way lower, considering he was a REGULAR SERVANT. However, while Goetia said that Solomon “as a MERE Servant” was no match for him, he still said that the ALIVE Solomon could have stopped him. Some people try to argue that this is because Solomon “has Authority over the Demon Gods” while Alive, however, this is never stated. All that was said is that he could control them, which SURPRISE, he can still do as a Caster, as stated in his PROFILE. Solomon still has an EX SUMMONING Skill that allows him to summon and use the demons as his familiars, so when Goetia says “ALIVE > HIMSELF > CASTER” he isn’t talking about HAXX. He can only be talking about RAW POWER. Everything Goetia can do, Solomon can do better.
*7) GOETIA:* In LB5.5 they state that the Alien God's Saint Graph OUTPUT is 2nd only to Goetia. This means that the Alien God, and therefore Goetia, surpass every single character that had appeared up to that point. This would make Goetia stronger than LB ZEUS (35% of his limiters released), QUIRINUS, ARJUNA ALTER, DAYBIT’S GRAND SERVANT, and so on. Tiamat is excluded from this statement since Chaldea never saw her at FULL POWER.
*8) ALIEN GOD:* The Alien God has a 3rd Planetary Class Saint Graph surpassing the output of any other Servant that Chaldea had faced up to LB6 with the exception of Goetia. This makes her stronger than TIAMAT in her 2nd form, and GRAND CASTER “SOLOMON”.
*9) OVERON VORTIGERN:* It was stated by both Merlin and Kirschtaria on 2 separate occasions that the COLLAPSE OF BRITAIN/the INSECT OF THE ABYSS (aka Vortigern’s NP) was a threat as dangerous as the Alien God, and that if the 2 were to fight it would be a TIE. Morgan was scared of him and chose to SEAL CERNUNNOS instead of killing him just to prevent Vortigern from awakening his NP.
*10) AMATERASU/TAMAMO-NO-MAE (9 Tails):* Tamamo said that if she were to regain her 9 tails, she'd become a threat on par with GRAND CASTER “SOLOMON”. Since this version of Goetia was weaker than TIAMAT (2nd Form), and by extension the ALIEN GOD, it would make Tamamo/Amaterasu weaker than VORTIGERN as well. It's also stated that out of all the characters that appear in Fate/EXTRA and EXTRA CCC, Arcueid is the only one who can POSSIBLY defeat Amaterasu. This means that CCC Gilgamesh, BB, Kiara, and even Buddha stand NO CHANCE against Amaterasu.
*11) ARCUEID (BERSERKER CLASS):* It is stated that Berserker Arcueid with her SANITY RESTORED is the only character in EXTRA/CCC that can possibly beat Amaterasu. This makes Arcueid stronger than Buddha, Kiara, BB, and so on. Arcueid would be the first character almost reaching the Goetia/Amaterasu tier without actually being in it.
*12) MORGAN (12 RHONGOMYNIADS):* Before they even met Morgan, and all they knew about her was that she had 1 Rhongomyniad & the Water Mirror, Chaldea already said that she would have no problem “HOLDING HER OWN” against any of the previous LB Kings. This would make FEATLESS Morgan with 1 RHONGOMYNIAD RELATIVE to ZEUS with 35% of the KRONOS CROWN Released. When they meet her she proves to be even stronger than they imagined, and to have access to not just 1, but 12 Rhongos, so multiply by 12 the amount of power she already had. She stated on 2 separate occasions that thanks to all the mana she has gathered in her Throne Room she would have nothing to fear from CERNUNNOS.
*13) CERNUNNOS:* Cernunnos is stated to have been a really powerful god when he was alive. In the LB timeline, he is further empowered by all the Curses that Britain created through 14,000 years to punish the fairies for not forging Excalibur during Sefar’s invasion. These curses are stated to be as thick as ALBION’s Spirit Cave, which is 400km deep. Albion, who is stated to be the equivalent of a GRAND SERVANT for dragons, died trying to carve through the ground to reach Avalon. That’s how good Cernunnos’ armor is. Since Morgan needed 12 Rhongos to beat him, he should scale above 35% KRONOS CROWN ZEUS who was rivaled by Morgan with just 1 Rhongo. He can also create Black Hands powerful enough to one shot KOYANSKAYA in her 5 TAILED FORM.
*14) ARTORIA CASTER (Alive):* By the time Artoria Caster completed her pilgrimage and rang the 6 bells, her SAINT GRAPH and MANA pool were stated to be equal to MORGAN’s. While this would make them equals in raw power, Morgan was still superior thanks to her ARSENAL (12 Rhongomyniads & Camelot Mystic Code) + skill + experience. When Artoria travels to Avalon she absorbs EXCALIBUR’s ESSENCE, becoming stronger than before, and can create Anti-Purge defenses able to block Melusine’s Dragon Rays. During the battle with Cernunnos, she acquires the 12 Rhongomyniads as well. While she can’t use them the way Morgan intended (the Spirit Vein Obstruction - Rhongomyniad ritual), she is able to use them in her own personalized ritual by mixing them with Excalibur’s essence (Dragon Vein Incineration - Excalibur). She does die using them, however, it should be noted that she was already on the verge of death when she used them since she had attempted to use them previously the way Morgan had configurated them. Even in this state, she managed to evaporate 90% of Cernunnos curses and expose his core. As a Servant, Artoria becomes her “IDEAL FUTURE SELF” and by default, way stronger than normal. While this makes her Stronger than Morgan, that’s only BASE TO BASE, since Artoria in that form no longer has the 12 Rhongos. Some people argue that she does have them because in her animation she has multiple blue spikes, however, they have a different design than the Rhongomyniads, and she calls them “CARNEWAN” (a dagger King Arthur had in myth) so there’s no evidence they are Rhongomyniads. (There aren’t even 12 of them.) Her not having them is backed up by Feats since she needed help from Super Mash to defeat OBERON in a CQC fight. If she had the 12 Rhongos she would have just one shotted him. Until we get a Material saying Servant Caster has the spears, ALIVE Caster is the strongest version we have seen from her.
*15) ZEUS (35% Kronos Crown):* Before Chaldea even met ZEUS and learned about the KRONOS CROWN, they already speculated that he’d be “ENTIRE ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE” above Arjuna Alter. Furthermore, when Zeus activates 35% of the Kronos Crown, his output increases over “3 Orders of Magnitude”. This would mean that Kronos Crown Buffed Zeus is over 1,000 TIMES stronger than the FEATLESS Zeus that was already believed to be stronger than Arjuna Alter. :/ MORGAN with just 1 Rhongomyniad was stated to rival him. It’s sad we never got to see Zeus use his NP, as he could likely be higher, however, based on what we have seen, this is as far as he gets.
*16) KOYANSKAYA (6 Tailed Form):* In her 5 Tailed Form, Koyanskaya was already stated to be as powerful as a MATURE BEAST, and the Counter Force reacted to her presence by summoning GRAND ARCHER SUPER ORION to fight her. It is stated that in this form she could blow up the ENTIRE GREEK LOSTBELT if she wanted to. In her 6 Tailed form, she becomes way stronger (likely 9 Times more Powerful going by Tamamo-no-Mae’s materials), however, she would still be no match for AMATERASU/9 TAILED TAMAMO, as Koyanskaya stated that even if she gained 7 Tails she wouldn’t surpass the original 9 Tailed Fox. Her original plan was to gain 9 Tails to actually pull that off.
*17) ROMULUS-QUIRINUS:* It is stated that Quirinus wields power on par with the “Thunderbolts wielded by Zeus” however we also know that he was stronger than Jupiter back in PHH (aka Divine Spirit Zeus) and weaker than 35% Kronos Crown Zeus, since his NP did almost nothing to Zeus, and he needed help from ARES + MASH’s BLACK BARREL + a bunch of servants to actually beat him. The only version of Zeus that could possibly fit the “LB Zeus (35% Kronos Crown) > Quirinus = Zeus (???) > Jupiter (Divine Spirit)” scale would be LB Zeus WITHOUT the Kronos Crown. This would make Quirinus 100 TIMES STRONGER than ARJUNA ALTER but 1,000 TIMES WEAKER than 35% Kronos Crown Zeus which is consistent with his feats. This makes sense since the original plan of Chaldea was to summon a Grand Servant powerful enough to fight MACHINE GOD Zeus (before he activated the Kronos Crown).
*18) KIRSCHTARIA WODIME (Sirius Light):* He created a Barrier capable of blocking MORGAN’s RHONGOMYNIAD, and his Anima Animusphere NP is stated to be easily as powerful as ARTEMIS’ NP or a LIGHTNING BOLT from TERMINAL ZEUS. In fact, he defeated Terminal Zeus in a 1v1 fight, making Zeus acknowledge him as his FRIEND and someone EQUAL to him in POWER. Odysseus also believed that no one in Olympus could beat him, and DEMETER worried that he had the power necessary to destroy her true body. With the SIRIUS LIGHT, his power would be increased drastically, however, it wasn’t still powerful enough to scratch the ALIEN GOD.
*19) ARJUNA ALTER:* Arjuna Alter is considered by Goredolf to be the strongest villain they had fought up to LB5. This would make him stronger than SURTR and KAMA/MARA. However, compared to people higher on the list like Quirinus, Zeus, or Amaterasu, he becomes more akin to a Mosquito flying around the big boys.
*20) BUDDHA:* Buddha has raw power on par with CCC Kiara, who could have killed CCC Gilgamesh with a wave of her hand. In terms of Arsenal, Budhha is really strong too. He can tank Anti-World attacks as long as his opponent doesn't have divinity, and he is also immune to mental corruption-like abilities. He also has a skill that reduces the parameters of his opponents by 2 ranks (only 1 if you are an Anti Hero). VAIROCANA (the Chief God of the Buddhist Pantheon) was stated by Musashi to be on par with TERMINAL ZEUS, so REGULAR Buddha being higher on the list doesn’t make sense.
*21) CCC KIARA:* She is the result of absorbing BB, the Moon Cell, AI Sakura, Meltryllis, and Passionlip. She could have killed CCC Gilgamesh (empowered by the Mythological Mystic Code) with a wave of her hand by teleporting him into another realm and destroying it right after if she wanted to. However, she was defeated because all the people she had absorbed were in love with the protagonist, and thus fought back from the inside to stop her, preventing her from using her abilities against Gilgamesh during their fight. She is a True Demon on par with Buddha, but it is stated that due to being unable to counter Buddha's skills, she would stand no chance against him.
*22) LION KING (CAMELOT CITY & TOWER RHONGOMYNIAD):* She rivals King Hassan in CQC + She can create mana barriers able to block multiple shots from Ozymandias’s Dendera + the walls of the Camelot City (which is actually her NP Rhongomyniad) are a duplicate of Mash’s LORD CAMELOT. They can block ANY ATTACK without taking A SINGLE SCRATCH as long as the attack has malicious/killing intent. Only someone like Xuanzang or Ozymandias who wanted to SAVE but not to DESTROY could blow up the gate. If you fail to destroy the walls + the mana barriers + her tower, she’ll successfully manifest TOWER Rhongomyniad, which results in a massive Anti-World attack on par with Surtr’s fire sword which killed TRUE GOD Odin and the rest of the Norse gods. Even without the castle or the tower, she still has the HOLY JUDGEMENT, a weaker version of Rhongomyniad she can perform more casually. It still surpasses in mana the strongest NPs possessed by servants THOUSANDS of times. Arash was able to block it with Stella despite being weaker than Ozy because Stella has the property of “ending all conflicts.”
*23) SURTR:* Surtr’s strongest attack is on par with Rhongomyniad. He can also survive half of his head being blown up via regeneration, and he has access to death runes just like Scathach-Skadi. He easily scales above the average TRUE GODS, since he destroyed the 9 realms and killed ODIN and other gods during Ragnarok, however, he doesn’t have such a wide arsenal as the Lion King.
*24) ARES-MARS:* Ares easily scales above the BB and CCC Gil because SABER VENUS (who is just Nero + Aphrodite + Photon Ray) could destroy the Ark of the Stars core, an object on par with the Moon Cell’s core. Since Ares is way stronger than Aphrodite (Hades’ Authority could vaporize Golden Huge Bear, who is as physically strong as Aphrodite, but it did nothing to Ares), Ares should be considerably higher than Saber Venus. The Ares we see in LB5 is actually stronger than the original since he is summoned with his Authority as a Roman CHIEF GOD along with his own MACHINE Body. He was able to react to CHAOS’ Beams moving FTL, but he wasn’t durable enough to tank them and was instantly vaporized.
*25) KING HASSAN:* King Hassan is stated to rival the Lion King, but those statements don't take into account both of them with their FULL ARSENALS since they hadn't used them yet. King Hassan's best feat is using ALL THE POWER in his Grand level Saint Graph to grant Tiamat the "concept of death". This attack not only made her mortal but severed her wings and reduced her own Saint Graph's pattern to that of a regular Servant. Does that mean King Hassan scales to Tiamat? Not at all. Although Tiamat transformed into her strongest form in the UNDERWORLD, the Underworld was still WEAKENING her. The debuff was so great, Jaguar Man stated Tiamat was at her WEAKEST POINT. Merlin then shows up and turns the Sea of Life into flowers, which not only "DRAINED HER POWER" even further, but also returned the Underworld's control to Ereshkigal, allowing her to weaken Tiamat even more. It is then that King Hassan shows up. The version of Tiamat King Hassan fought was not only EXTREMELY WEAKENED, but it was even weaker than when she fought Quetzalcoatl and Kingu by a long shot, so King Hassan has nowhere near the firepower necessary to kill those above him on the list.
*26) SUPER ORION:* Even without using his Grand Servant powers, his bow made by Hephaestus was so strong that it took 2 blasts from Artemis’s NP to block Orion Horkos. The same Artemis who was stated to be on par with Wodime’s NP. Super Orion’s final NP was also stated to have power and speed “unlike the world had ever seen,” and it not only overpowered Artemis’s NP, but also killed her in a single shot. His 3rd NP likely surpasses Ares’ and King Hassan’s firepower, but they are just either too fast or haxxed for Orion. Hassan would just teleport and destroy him in CQC.
*27) ARTEMIS:* Her NP can destroy planets. 2 blasts from her NP were powerful enough to kill Heracles BUFFED by all the Casters summoned by the Counter Force in LB5. Even though Medea BY HERSELF can already buff REGULAR HUMANS (aka Kuzuki) into servant tier fighters, Heracles buffed by not only Medea, but many other Casters + the FAME BOOST did absolutely nothing to her. It is stated that if it hadn’t been for Herc’s sacrifice she would have killed everyone with a single blast. Meaning Artemis can solo dozens of servants with 1 hit. Her durability is even more impressive. Even though Super Orion’s Orion Horkos was 2 times stronger than Artemis’s NP, a direct hit from Orion Horkos was still not enough to take her down, meaning Artemis can take multiple blasts from PLANET BUSTING NPs and keep going as if nothing had happened. This, along with her firepower, ability to spam her NP at least 5 times, long-range, and MIND CONTROL abilities makes her a fearsome fighter.
*28) NERO (SABER VENUS):* This is Nero after absorbing the goddess VENUS/APHRODITE and wielding the NP of the GOD OF WAR MARS/ARES. We know that this form is above the MYTHOLOGICAL MYSTIC CODE since Nero said that even with that powerup, she wouldn’t be able to fight the ARK OF THE STARS (aka the UMBRAL STAR/VELBER’s “cockpit”), whereas in this form she ONE SHOTTED it with her NP. This puts Saber Venus a tier above BB/MMC level characters. When Archimedes analyzed Saber Venus stats, he said that the ARK’S core, which is on par with the MOON CELL CORE, would be able to stop her ultimate attack with a multidimensional barrier, however, due to the “POWER OF LOVE” adapting to dire situations, her NP was able to destroy it.
*29) BB (Moon Cell Absorbed):* Even in her weakest form, a FGO Servant, BB is stated to be comparable to BEAST III KIARA, and despite having been partially suppressed by Kiara, she still believed that she could beat her if they had help from another AI as strong as BB herself. In CCC, BB is even stronger, since she had fused with the Far Side of the Moon Cell + the MOON CELL CORE. In this form, even CCC GILGAMESH EMPOWERED by the MYTHOLOGICAL MYSTIC CODE only stands a 0.9999% Chance of Victory against her. They needed to buff Gilgamesh even further with the School Building Resources for him to actually beat BB.
*30) CCC SERVANTS empowered by the MYTHOLOGICAL MYSTIC CODE (GILGAMESH, NERO, EMIYA, or TAMAMO depending on the PLAYER’S PREFERENCES):* I put all 4 of these characters together since they have the EXACT SAME FEATS and STATEMENTS. They are CONFIRMED to be weaker than SABER VENUS. They are also CONFIRMED to be weaker than KIARA, as she only lost to them cause she couldn’t use her “OMNIPOTENCE” at the time. Furthermore, the only reason they managed to defeat BB (MOON CELL CORE ABSORBED) is that they also had the SUPPORT of the SCHOOL BUILDING RESOURCES at the time. It is stated that in a 1v1 with no outside help, they would only stand a 0.9999% CHANCE of defeating her.
*31) BEAST KIARA & KAMA/MARA:* During the Tokugawa event, Kiara stated that if she were to transform into her Beast counterpart she could defeat BEAST Kama. However, since Kama further evolves after that was stated, I’d say they are about on par. Kama can’t be stronger than Kiara cause she said she could only surpass Kiara if she managed to defeat Ritsuka. Since she lost, she can only be Kiara’s equal at best. BEAST Kiara is about RELATIVE to Servant BB (which doesn’t have the Moon Cell’s support). It is also stated that BEAST Kiara is an “existence” inferior to her CCC counterpart. Although it is stated that Kiara could easily defeat 100 servants, Arjuna Alter was also considered more powerful than Kama/Mara.
*32) KAZURADROP:* Just like BB in CCC, Kazuradrop is trying to reach the Moon Cell core to fuse with it. Since she hasn’t been able to overpower the Moon Cell’s defenses yet, that means that AT BEST, Kazuradrop can only be as strong as BB was BEFORE she fused with the Core. This would make Kazuradrop a RIVAL to Beast III Kiara give or take.
*33) ASHTART ORIGIN:* 7 servants working together managed to defeat her. Although Calamity Jane did reveal the exact plan they had to follow to do so, at the end of the day they pulled it off. Firing Sigurd’s NP at her Saint Graph was enough to take her down. An attack that wouldn’t even have scratched people higher on the list defeated Ashtart. Ashtart Origin can indeed destroy a galaxy, but it takes her months to do so. Regular servants have also been shown reacting and blocking her attacks, so in all actuality, even if Ashtart Origin has higher raw power than 90+% of the people on this list, she’s just getting speed blitzed by Grand tier characters, and she doesn’t have enough durability to survive Anti-Planet NPs. Kazuradrop’s TRASH & CRUSH would fuck her up, Kama’s INFINITE CLONES or Kiara’s INFINITE DEMON GODS would overwhelm her, King Hassan would teleport and fuck up her Saint Graph, and Ares/CCC Gil would speed blitz her at FTL Speeds. Overall, she doesn’t have feats that would make me believe she can beat anyone higher than her on the list.
*34) ASHIYA DOUMAN (Ibuki Absorbed):* During LB5.5, Ashiya Douman has the Fantasy Tree Mandala absorb Ibuki Douji, and then he “fuses” with the Tree itself, immediately gaining more mana than Ibuki originally had. In this form, his power is stated to be on par with the Highest Divine Standing, due to all the Gods he has absorbed. It took Golden Huge Bear empowered by several Command Spells and wielding Ibuki’s Kusanagi to cut down the Tree and weaken Douman enough so that Raikou + Shuten + Ibaraki + Tsuna + Danzou could kill him. Because he doesn’t have many other feats, this is as high as I can rank him.
*35) IBUKI DOUJI:* Ibuki Douji’s Magical Energy is stated to be LOSTBELT KING/MACHINE GOD Level. Her mana is so dense it can create a great pressure around her body, forcing everyone who comes near her to Kneel before her. Golden Huge Bear powered by Command Spells was strong enough to cut down a Fantasy Tree wielding Ibuki’s NP, so it would be logical to assume that Ibuki would be on that same tier of power when she uses her NP. During the Tunguska Event, they fight a WEAKENED Version of SURTR who didn’t even use his Anti-World NP. Despite this, it took Ibuki + a group of servants to beat him, and Ibuki states if she had faced the real Surtr she might have fallen in love. Later on, they fight 5 TAILED KOYANSKAYA and they are completely overwhelmed by her. All in all, Ibuki doesn’t have a single feat scaling her above any of the people higher on the list.
*36) DEMETER:* Demeter’s NP is so strong even Mash BUFFED by Athena Klironomia wouldn’t be able to block it more than 3 times in a row. Considering a weaker Mash could block Ivan the Terrible’s strongest attack Twice in a row the very 1st time she used the Ortinax, it goes to show how high Demeter scales compared to Ivan. Demeter is also gifted with Insane Regeneration that can only be countered by Gods with Authority over the Land.
*37) KINGPROTEA:* She was defeated by WEAKENED Kazuradrop. In fact, Kazuradrop was so fatigued that she couldn’t use her FAKE BB avatar (which has 5/8ths of BB’s strength), nor use her full abilities. Despite Kazuradrop stating that she has BAD COMPATIBILITY with Kingprotea, she still defeated her. Therefore, Kingprotea being tied with BB (like I’ve seen on multiple lists) is madness. She COULD POTENTIALLY grow that strong OVERTIME if she was given A LOT of PREP TIME, but at her peak showings, she was never that strong. It’s been stated several times that she hasn’t become a planet-level threat, so all those that scale to people like Artemis should have no problem taking her down. FGO Kingprotea believes she can beat FGO Kiara if she pushes herself beyond her limits, however, that statement is referring to ALTER EGO KIARA, the same Kiara that was implied by the SF Author to be on par with Counter Force Boosted ENKIDU (who is weaker than Thia Escardos). It’s also FGO Protea we are talking about who is drastically nerfed due to not being in the Moon Cell. All in all, “FGO Protea >= ALTER EGO Kiara” doesn’t remotely imply “FULL POWER Protea > BEAST Kiara/BB”.
*38) QIN SHI HUANG:* He has a GRAND SERVANT Level Saint Graph. The Crazy thing is that he gained such a level on a whim with a PUPPET BODY that wasn't even his strongest asset. He has access to sage arts able to "SEAL AWAY" gods which he used to seal Tamamo Vitch's Saint Graph. Tamamo Vitch states in LB4 that no human/heroic spirit other than Qin Shi Huang should stand any chance at beating her, so this means that at least in the first 3 Lostbelts there's been no "human"/heroic spirit stronger than Qin. He also has defense countermeasures designed to fight Alien threats. He would likely be higher if we had seen him actually go all out.
*39) SCATHACH-SKADI:* Skadi is a TRUE GODDESS, and therefore easily above Divine Spirit level. She was way stronger than Sigurd possessed by Surtr, and it wasn’t until Surtr unlocked Sigurd’s final ascension that Mash stated his sword Gram had become stronger than anything they had seen previously on LB2. However, it’s important to remember Skadi was extremely weakened at the time since all her mana was being used to maintain the snow in the LB suppressing Surtr's flames. She can create rune barriers that helped Sigurd block Surtr's sword, despite mash not being able to do it on her own. She has access to death runes she can summon even on the brink of death. This is without mentioning that she can evolve her saint graph to unlock her final ascension at any moment she wishes, which would boost her abilities exponentially. Against people like Meltryllis, Quetzalcoatl (50%), and Ivan she can just block their NPs with barriers and then restrain/kill them with runes after they become fatigued.
*40) ERESHKIGAL (IN THE UNDERWORLD): The reason Ereshkigal is ranked INSIDE THE UNDERWORLD is that she has 2 skills that allow her to RECREATE the Underworld anywhere she goes. Although in terms of RAW POWER Ereshkigal is slightly below Ishtar, inside her domain she is almost unbeatable. The underworld reduces all gods/Servants to 1/7th of their Authority/Divinity, and Authority, for those of you who don’t know, is an EXPONENTIAL BOOST. Ishtar at 5/7th of her Authority is “LOW RANKING Divine Spirit Level” and at 3/7, she becomes weaker than a GALLU (the fodder ghosts Ana was killing in Uruk’s suburbs). Even Quetzalcoatl was defeated by Ereshkigal in one of the Christmas events. Ereshkigal wouldn’t be able to defeat Skadi since skadi can also summon her own territory to suppress the underworld, and even on the brink of death she still had access to Death Runes that could have killed Mash if she wanted to.
*41) SUPER KARNA:* Super Karna is just Karna + a fraction of Shiva and Vishnu, as opposed to Arjuna Alter who is Arjuna + ALL THE INDIAN GODS. Lakshmibai stated that she wasn't sure if Super Karna would be powerful enough to defeat Arjuna Alter, despite Arjuna being EXTREMELY WEAKENED at the time. This is BEFORE Arjuna absorbed the mana of the Fantasy Tree, which made him even WEAKER. Although the tree certainly gave Arjuna a ton of mana, it was at the cost of LOSING ALL HIS AUTHORITY over the Indian Lostbelt, since a Divine Spirit that turns their back on the people that worship him to fight to rely on the power from another world can't wield Authority over the Earth. If it is questionable whether Karna can beat weakened Arjuna, Karna being above FULL POWER Arjuna, or even close to him is silly. Super Karna doesn't even scale to a weakened Mahapralaya, since Arjuna never used his NP during their fight. Just like Diarmuid fighting on par with Artoria in CQC doesn't mean he can nuke Heracles and kill him 12 times, Super Karna being SLIGHTLY above WEAKENED Arjuna Alter WITHOUT his NP doesn't make him anywhere near FULL POWER Arjuna Alter level. Those above Super Karna in the list would simply nuke him.
*42) THIA ESCARDOS:* Thia Escardos used his 1st NP against Enkidu, and despite Enkidu being BOOSTED by the Counter Force at the time, his ENUMA ELISH couldn’t still block it completely. A fraction of the NP that got past Enkidu’s NP destroyed Gugalanna’s Horn. Thia Escardos still has yet to use his Main NP so he’ll likely move higher on the list in the future.
*43) GUGALANNA:* He was repelled by Gilgamesh + Enkidu (Gilgamesh didn’t use Ea). Furthermore, it has never been stated that they managed to kill him. Gugalanna surviving the fight is backed up by the events of Strange Fake/FGO, where SF Ishtar STEALS FGO Ishtar’s Gugalanna. Gugalanna in Babylonia was the real thing, not a fake copy created through Ishtar’s servant manifestation. The Bull was so OP that even the Mesopotamian gods couldn’t tame it, and it was also believed it would be able to hold back TIAMAT for a day, whereas Quetzalcoatl at 50% didn’t believe she stood any chance against her. A fraction of Thia Escardos’ NP was powerful enough to destroy its horn.
*44) IVAN THE TERRIBLE:* Just him slamming his trunk on the ground is comparable to an Anti-Army NP, and Gilgamesh says that he's so big he rivals Gugalanna. Although the Crypters had initially stated that his Saint Graph is on par with that of a Divine Spirit, when he finally awakens, Kadoc says that he is WAY STRONGER than he had imagined. Musashi, who can see multiple possibilities with her Mystic Eye, stated that she had a 0% chance of beating him. Even with Avicebron's age of Gods level Adam, Musashi, Anastasia, Atalanta Alter, Beowulf, and Billy the Kid with a gun enhanced by Da Vinci, all working together they couldn't overpower him. Even with Salieri using his rage to power his NP and weaken Ivan using music they couldn't win either. If he weren't powerful enough already, he can also fire giant lightning blasts that even while weakened by Salieri, they are still on par with Divine Spirit level attacks. If it weren't for Mash blocking those blasts and giving Musashi an opening to cut off his trunk, they would have all died.
*45) MELUSINE (Dragon Form):* She survived a blow from Percival’s Lost Longinus (but she was fatally wounded though) and had enough power left to break through the Insect of Abyss so that the Nautilus could escape. Her heat rays are also capable of destroying large portions of the Nautilus, and even Artoria Caster with the Holy Sword Essence couldn’t take her down. In her weakened Fairy Kinght form she was also powerful enough to fight Muramasa and Caster Cu simultaneously.
*46) MELTRYLLIS (Level 999 and Invincibility):* Even after CCC Gilgamesh decided to give his full support to the protagonist and lift the ban preventing him to use Ea, it is stated that he stands no chance at beating Meltryllis. Therefore, all those that would struggle to beat Gilgamesh are weaker than Meltryllis. This is without taking into account her "Invincibility" which makes her INVULNERABLE to any attack. The reason she isn't higher is that the people above her can simply seal her away and/or far surpass her in raw power.
*47) APHRODITE (LB5):* Aphdorite was as physically strong as Golden Huge Bear and could tank its Golden Huge Spark without taking visible damage. Kintoki needed the aid of Caenis + Musashi + Mash to beat her. If it weren’t for her NP, which allows her to mind control regular servants with 0 difficulties, she would be way lower on the list.
*48) WOODWOSE:* Woodwose fought Muramasa + Percival + Artoria Caster (powered by 2 bells) + Da Vinci and would have killed all of them had it not been for Gareth arriving at the very last moment. His strength is so immense he can blow up Muramasa/Percival’s entire upper body with a 1 PUNCH, whereas even MELUSINE in her Fairy Knight Form couldn’t kill Muramasa after striking his core directly “Several times” to the point a “normal servant” would have died 12 times over. If that weren’t enough, Woodwose is gifted by a form of INVULNERABILITY so OP even Percival’s Lost Longinus (which was powerful enough to knock out Melusine in her dragon form) couldn’t scratch him. The conditions that need to be met to bypass this defense are unknown. Even Artoria Cater, a Fairy of Paradise, powered by 4 bells, couldn’t bypass it.
*49) NEBUCHADNEZZAR II.5:* The combined efforts of Larva Tiamat + Mash Kyrielight + Berserker Lancelot + Sakata Kintoki + Tamamo-no-Mae are not able to match him in combat. Nebu is so strong ENKIDU is the only servant in the Babylon Singularity that comes even close to matching him in power, however, even he alone wouldn’t be able to beat him. It took Enkidu to suppress Nebu’s powers to give the other servants an opening to strike him down. Even then, they were extremely fatigued afterward, so Nebu went down swinging like a chad.
*50) DARK IRISVIEL:* Dark Irisviel is Angra Mainyu using the remnants of Justeaze von Einzbern inside the Greater Grail as a perfect vessel with which to manifest. She also has an almost entirely filled Holy Grail, which contains the SOULS of GILGAMESH, ISKANDAR, LANCELOT, HUNDRED FACES, and GILLES. Artoria stated that even if she worked together with Diarmuid, Counter Guardian EMIYA (Assassin), and Mash, they would stand NO CHANCE of beating her. Right after, when Iri powered up, Aroria said Iri was stronger than she had imagined. The reason she isn't higher is that she's not GRAND SERVANT/BEAST level yet.
*51) QUETZALCOATL (50%):* Xiuhcoatl at 50% cracked Tiamat’s horn so hard Gorgon managed to cut it off afterward. Kingu on the other hand just took out a small amount of her flesh. Quetzalcoatl’s Noble Phantasm is therefore comparable to Enuma Elish in Raw Power, and WAY STRONGER when she is at 100%. Furthermore, Quetzalcoatl is IMMUNE to characters with GOOD ALIGNMENT, meaning that characters such as Artoria, Karna, or Gilgamesh can’t even scratch her. Only those with EVIL alignment can truly damage her. If that weren’t enough, Xiuhcoatl also SEALS AWAY the NPs of her opponent. If Gilgamesh or Artoria were to fight Quetzalcoatl, not only would they be unable to even scratch her, but they wouldn’t even get to fire Excalibur/Ea as long as Quetzalcoatl fires first. Even if they get to fire, Xihucoatl is as powerful or stronger than Enuma Elish. All in all, there’s little they can do.
*52) ARTORIA PENDRAGON (FULL POWER & AVALON):* The writer of Fate/Zero said that Nasu has told him that if GILGAMESH had been SERIOUS when he fought Artoria (I assume he means in the Fate Route when she had AVALON) they would have tied. Pretty impressive considering she was under a 3rd rate master at the time. Nasu has also said that if ALIVE Gilgamesh fought ALIVE Saber Alter, Gil would have a SLIGHT ADVANTAGE due to his superior VERSATILITY & CUNNING. This is despite Saber Alter having lower Luck than her regular counterpart and no longer having Avalon. If Artoria was at FULL POWER and had AVALON as well, she should have no problem beating Gilgamesh. Excalibur can only be countered with Ea, and if Gil uses Ea then Artoria simply blocks with Avalon and kills him before he has finished firing it (FYI this is exactly what happened in the Fate Route). If Gil doesn’t use Ea, then Artoria will just kill him with Excalibur, as GoB couldn’t overpower Richard’s MUCH WEAKER Excalibur.
*53) KINGU (HOLY GRAIL):* Kingu was stated to be AS STRONG IF NOT STRONGER than ALIVE Enkidu. Since [Kingu = Enkidu + HOLY GRAIL as his core] he would simply outlast Gilgamesh/Enkidu in a fight. When Gil and Enkidu were alive, they reached a stalemate the moment both of them ran out of energy and weapons. In this scenario, Kingu would simply come slightly on top due to having the exact same abilities as Enkidu, equal firepower but superior mana reserves/stamina.
*54) GILGAMESH & ENKIDU:* Gilgamesh is stated to be the strongest Heroic Spirit/Servant that can be summoned in a Holy Grail War. Even among the other Top Servants he is regarded as “incomparable.” Enkidu is stated to have equal RAW POWER and COMBAT STRENGTH to Gilgamesh.
*55) KARNA:* Karna is stated to be as strong as Gilgamesh on 3 different occasions and to contend for the highest place among all servants. Although his armor is pretty shit normally (it is stated Siegfried can decapitate him with a regular swing if Karna is careless, and Cu Alter also one shotted him in his 2nd interlude), its True Name Release was able to endure Arjuna Alter’s Mahapralaya for 5 seconds. Vasavi Shakti is also stronger than Joyeuse Ordre, and a fraction of its power could destroy Akhilleus Kosmos.
*56) OZYMANDIAS:* It took Stella + Excalibur-Proto to take down Ozymandias. It could be argued his NP surpasses Vasavi Shakti, at least going by feats but Karna’s nature as a god and fire NPs/skills are just good enough counters to Ozy in order to give him a slight edge. They are interchangeable.
*57) OKITA SOUJI Alter (Holy Grail Absorbed):* She is a Counter Guardian with the full support of the Counter Force and with a Holy Grail absorbed. Her Noble Phantasm can "annihilate or remove from the world what which was not supposed to exist, or even what cannot be allowed to exist." This allows her to kill characters with CONCEPTUAL IMMORTALITY/INFINITE REGEN such as Maxwell's Demon or Akechi Mitsuhide's Demon King form. This along with her high firepower should allow her to kill Pale Rider and Avicebron's golem. The reason she isn't higher is that she can only fire it once and lacks feats to determine how she'd fare against Enuma Elish tier nukes. If you can endure her NP once you win.
*58) PALE RIDER:* The moment Pale Rider appeared, Alcides' Instincts told him that he should retreat at once, despite having absorbed From Hell by this point. Gilgamesh on the other hand believes he can blast away if the situation arrives. From what we've seen, Pale Rider is in that Alcides/Gate of Babylon+ level, but still weaker than Ea. He may be able to beat Enkidu, but that would just be compatibility, as stated in Volume 1. I placed him above Adam and Maxwell since he should be able to counter their immortality thanks to being the embodiment of death.
*59) SAKATA KINTOKI (GOLDEN HUGE BEAR):* Golden Huge Bear was as physically strong as Machine God APHRODITE, as shown when he was restraining her and she couldn’t break free. Rather than this making Golden Huge Bear a Grand Servant tier threat, it shows that Aphrodite is no big deal in raw strength and that she relies on her Mind Control to actually look menacing. The reason why Kintoki can’t be Grand level is that Gilgamesh is the strongest SUMMONABLE SERVANT in a HGW and Golden Huge Bear is a NP that Kintoki can regularly use without any restrictions, as shown in the Solomon Singularity.
*60) AVICEBRON (RUSSIAN LOSTBELT):* As long as he is touching the ground Adam has infinite regen. Beowulf states that he may be even capable of surviving Ivan's strongest attack. He is also as physically strong as Ivan, as shown when the 2 were brawling (Ivan was being weakened by Salieri and Anastasia though). Even in Apocrypha when he was much weaker it took separating him from the ground + blowing him up with Balmung + Clarent Blood Arthur + Antares Snipe to take him down.
*61) MAXWELL'S DEMON [Neo Fuhrer]:* Even Okita + Nobunaga empowered by 3 Command Spells + Spearless Li Shuwen working together got their ass beaten pretty badly by the Neo Fuhrer. By this point, Neo Fuhrer is stated to be a being surpassing the scale of the Holy Grail War, and he is unkillable unless you can resolve his theorem or kill unkillable servants. It was necessary to sacrifice all remaining servants to the Holy grail in order to summon Okita Alter as a Counter Guardian to take him down.
*62) ALCIDES:* Even with Reincarnation Pandora + Nine Lives + the Pelt of the Nemean Lion, Gilgamesh wasn't pressed at all to use Ea against Alcides. It is stated that Gil doesn't need Ea against him, and thus, there's no risk of it being stolen. Alcides was even buffed by Jack's From Hell NP during their rematch, which he had stolen right before. Even with "Magical Energy SEVERAL TIMES stronger" than the one he has normally, Alcides couldn't overpower GoB. Although he may not be as powerful as a few people lower than him, Reincarnation Pandora + the versatility of King’s Order make up for it. The reason he isn’t higher is that he himself thinks Pale Rider is stronger, he couldn’t beat GoB, and Reincarnation Pandora has some clear limitations since he didn’t try stealing GoB (my guess is that he needs to know the True Name of the NP). Percival, Sieg, Charlemagne, or even Artoria might have higher firepower, but Chiron’s IMMORTALITY + REINCARNATION PANDORA should be able to counter it.
*63) LB PERCIVAL:* He has been able to fight Melusine 1v1 in CQC on 2 different occasions. Woodwose stated that he could have beaten Melusine (Lancelot form) with Longinus had he used it during their 1st fight. During the fight against Melusine in her Albion’s Remnant form, Percival managed to knock her out momentarily with this attack. Melusine should be considerably stronger than FAFNIR, who rivals ALIVE SIEGFRIED and Karna’s VASAVI SHAKTI, so it goes to show how strong LB Longinus is. (It’s also ranked EX ANTI-FORTRESS for those who care about stats).
*64) SIEG:* SIEG with his full arsenal in FGO is an absolute beast. He can turn into FAFNIR, whose fire breath is as strong as BALMUNG + Dragon Slayer boost. Furthermore, in the FGO x Apocrypha event he survived a direct hit from Karna’s VASAVI SHAKTI, meaning Excalibur level nukes have no hopes of ever taking him down. If that wasn’t enough, even if his dragon body is defeated, he can still create a homunculus avatar capable of transforming into Siegfried for 3 minutes just like in Apocrypha. You basically have to take down Fafnir with an EX tier nuke, and then fight Siegfried buffed by Galvanism and Command Spells. Pretty busted.
*65) CHARLEMAGNE:* In CQC, Charlemagne is about EQUAL to KARNA, but weaker than SCATHACH or ARTORIA. The reason he isn’t below Artoria and Scathach is that his NPs are way stronger. Just like Gilgamesh being physically weaker than Artoria doesn’t make him weaker since his arsenal is better, the same applies to Charlemagne. At Full Strength, JOYEUSE ORDRE is as strong as 13+ of Rolan’s DURANDALs. Durandal being an A+ Holy Sword stated by Mandricardo to be as powerful as the Divine Bow forged by LB Hephaestus AEGIS ECLYPSE, which is an ANTI-FORTRESS Bow. Charlemagne’s NP is stronger than 13 of those put together. Meanwhile, Excalibur can only kill Heracles 7-10 times. Even when Charlemagne was weakened by Karl der Grosse, this NP was still powerful enough to block Karna’s VASAVI SHAKTI. Charlemagne also has access to a FLYING FORTRESS directly compared to SEMIRAMIS’ HANGING GARDENS, which can be used both for offense and defense. This means that someone like Artoria and Scathach won’t get to close the distance between them and Charlie to overwhelm him in CQC. (Before they get nuked by J.O. that is).
*66) RIN TOHSAKA (JEWELED SWORD ZELRETCH):* Each of the beams fired by the Jeweled Sword is comparable to an EXCALIBUR nuke. Rin also has “Welt, Ende” a special attack that blows up the Jeweled Sword similar to a Broken NP. This attack is SEVERAL TIMES more powerful than the regular beam, meaning, that even an EXCALIBUR TIER Nuke wouldn’t be able to block it. Rin Tohsaka could also react to the Holy Grail SHADOWS that in Apocrypha were shown to be fast enough to react to JEANNE’s LA PUCELLE. In HF, the shadows were also fast enough to make Heracles run for his life at max speed or catch Cu Chulainn’s foot. Having been able to react to dozens of giants all jumping at her simultaneously, and being stated by Shirou to move with “SABER-LIKE SPEED”, Rin should have no issue reacting to a Servant. In fact, the reason they had Shirou project the Zelretch Sword in the 1st place was to beat SABER ALTER with it.
*67) SABER ALTER (HOLY GRAIL):* Nasu stated that ALIVE Gilgamesh would only have a “SLIGHT advantage” against her. Despite having lower Instincts and speed than REGULAR Artoria, she still managed to block a SURPRISE attack from FULL POWER Cu Chulainn Alter. The reason this is impressive is that WEAKENED Cu Alter had previously defeated Karna and Medb with no difficulty. REGULAR Artoria is also shown in EXTELLA LINK toying in CQC with CHARLEMAGNE + TAMAMO + NERO, even though Charlemagne is strong enough to fight KARNA in CQC to a DRAW, with Karna even calling him a WORTHY RIVAL. Saber Alter is stronger than Karna BASE TO BASE (if nukes aren’t taken into account), and with EXCALIBUR SPAM, she can take down pretty much anybody that isn’t an EX Servant, as Shirou states that to beat Salter you need an NP stronger than hers.
*68) SAKURA MATOU (BLACKENED):* She can create multiple Shadow Giants, and it takes an Excalibur level beam to take 1 of them down. Unless you can spam an attack just as powerful you are screwed. These giants were also capable of tagging Heracles, Gilgamesh, and Jeanne’s La Pucelle in Apocrypha, so they are not getting blitzed. Sakura also has incredible high regen.
*69) SITONAI:* Sitonai was shown making easy work of Mori Nagoyoshi (who could somewhat keep up with Cu Chulainn), and she was so strong she made Scathach Skadi cautious of her. She can also summon BERSERKER HERACLES and a giant polar bear named Shirou to fight as her familiars. She can also draw mana from the leylines to buff them even further. As long as you struggle fighting Herc 1v1 your chances of defeating Sitonai are pretty slim. You’d need Excalibur spam or an EX tier nuke to take her down.
*70) ACHILLES:* Achilles is the fastest hero, but against other Top Servants that doesn’t mean much. Hector is stated to be his EQUAL in POWER, and it is also stated that Achilles only defeated him due to a “PAPER-THIN difference in SKILL.” Therefore, if you can defeat Hector in CQC, there’s a 99% chance that you can beat Achilles too. If we take NPs into account, Achilles truly shines. His chariot is super fast, to the point Chiron couldn’t even see him moving. It took Chiron combining his Clairvoyance + Mind’s Eye to actually kill 1 of the steeds. Akhilleus Kosmos is also super strong, but it was destroyed after taking a fraction of Vasavi Shakti. IMO EXCALIBUR Tier nukes should be able to counter it.
*71) CU ALTER:* If we exclude nukes from the equation, and stick to close-range combat, then Cu Alter beats pretty much anybody. In his 2nd interlude, he defeats KARNA + MEDB SIMULTANEOUSLY and even kills Heracles “SEVERAL TIMES” later on. All this, without using any of his NPs and while POISONED by Semiramis. He was also stronger than Rama (known to be Karna’s equal), and he was on par with SCATHACH, who is stronger than Arjuna and Charlemagne (both Karna’s equals). It is common sense that if Karna doesn’t use Vasavi Shakti, he gets stomped by Cu Alter. If we give Cu Alter his FULL ARSENAL, he is an absolute monster in CQC.
*72) ALTERA & ISKANDAR:* Altera defeated GAWAIN (BUFFED by the Sun), and made Cu Chulainn run away saying she’s too strong. With her Master’s support, she’s able to fight Gil’s Gate of Babylon to a draw. Although her NP is strong, even after buffing it with all the Magical Energy in the atmosphere to the point it would “destroy the entire world”, Salter was still powerful enough to one shot her with Excalibur. Iskandar is also here because he is stated to be 1 of the 7 Top Servants and equally powerful to Altera. Even under a 2nd rate master in Fate/Zero, his chariot was so fast that he almost managed to Kill Artoria before she fired Excalibur, and it is stated that had his master not been at risk he wouldn’t have flinched at the very last moment and actually succeeded. It was also stated that a clash between Ionioi Hetairioi and Excalibur or Gate of Babylon could go either way. Iskandar is also physically strong enough to exchange blows evenly with Altera in CQC. He has very bad compatibility with weaker opponents that can only be countered with Nukes (Gigantic Horror for instance), but it doesn’t take a genius to see that all his other feats point at him being an Altera/Artoria tier servant.
*73) REX MAGNUS:* He defeated Scathach, who considers him a being greater than the Top Servants. It took CHARLEMAGNE + NERO + TAMAMO to defeat him. Although he was able to trap GILGAMESH, he states that he wouldn’t be able to restrain him for long. Charlemagne also stated that Artoria wouldn’t lose to him.
*74) SCÁTHACH:* She was stronger than CHARLEMAGNE (who was Karna’s equal) in close-range combat. It took CHARLEMAGNE + CÚ CHULAINN to actually beat her. She also said Arjuna was extremely weak, and Cu Alter stated TWICE that Arjuna can't beat her, and that there is no man (in the 5th singularity) other than himself capable of defeating Scathach.
*75) ARJUNA:* Arjuna is as powerful as Karna, but he has a fatal weakeness. The AMOUNT OF TIME it takes him to charge Pahupata is too big. In EXTELLA LINK Karna was able to charge and fire Vasavi Shakti so fast Arjuna was completely defenseless. Had Charlemagne not intervened and blocked it with his own NP Arjuna would have died. Some people then try to argue that this wasn’t the case in the FGO manga (the pinnacle of Fate canon, sarcasm), saying that there Arjuna and Karna both charged their NPs at the same time, however, these people like to ignore that the FGO manga is a fucking circus full of contradictions with the source material such as Saint Martha’s Tarasque being stronger than Mash’s Lord Chaldeas whereas it blocked Excalibur Morgan a singularity prior. The same Tarasque is stated to be weaker than Fafnir, which in turn is stated to be less powerful than 1 Demon God Pillar or Heracles. By the Manga’s logic; Herc (1 life) or 1 Demon God > Fafnir > Tarasque > Lord Chaldeas > Excalibur Morgan. Taking EXTELLA LINK as an Anti-Feat in exchange for the FGO Manga is retarded. Even if we disregard all that and say the time is equal, there’s still the fact that Charlemagne was able to fire his NP before Arjuna despite Arjuna starting charging beforehand. If you argue Arjuna = Karna then Charlemagne, who isn’t even Artoria or Scathach level, would one-shot Karna in a fight before he ever saw what hit him.
*76) MERLIN [GARDEN OF AVALON]:* Merlin likes to use illusions to overcome his opponents and he rarely even bothers doing something to overcome them directly. Due to his real body being in Avalon, his avatar seems to be immune to physical attacks but WITHOUT feats to help measure his raw power and fighting capabilities he can’t get higher. Still, he is strong enough to fight multiple Bel Lahmu at the same time whereas those same Lahmu were toying with BASE Ishtar and even keeping up with King Hassan albeit after losing his Grand Title. PHH Morgan (who was stated to be fodder compared to Artoria) is stated to be as POWERFUL of a Mage as Merlin, so Merlin being considerably lower than Artoria tier characters is consistent.
*77) JEANNE D’ARC [LA PUCELLE]:* Although Jeanne is the weakest of the Top Servants, at least physically, she still defeated Gawain in EXTELLA. It’s also stated that she can make easy work of SEMIRAMIS due to her higher raw power and EX rank Magic Resistance. La Pucelle killed multiple Shadow Giants, and from Stay Night we know you need an Excalibur level nuke to kill just 1 of them. Although La Pucelle has higher firepower than some people higher on the list, her lower combat ability and high NP Charge time hinder her considerably.
*78) SEMIRAMIS:* It is stated that Semiramis could put up a close fight against Karna. She can fire 11 beams, each of them ranked EX Anti-Army. When fired together simultaneously, they are stated to be as strong as Balmung. Given that most people can’t even reach her gardens, the amount of people that can take her down 1v1 is pretty low. Even if you reach her gardens, your fame will be reduced to 0, whereas hers is increased to 100%. She can create barriers capable of blocking Clarent Blood Arthur, and she survived a direct hit from Mordred boosted by Mana Burst and a Command Spell. She also has hydra venom which can kill Heracles 12 times. The only characters that are stated to be stronger than her in Apocrypha are Karna, Achilles, and Jeanne. Unless you are a Top Servant, Semiramis is beating you up.
*79) CASTER GILGAMESH [MELAMU DINGIR]:* He should be as strong as Archer Gilgamesh without Ea. Melamu Dingir fires all the NPs as Broken Phantasms. His body isn’t as sturdy as when he was an Archer, but he’s still pretty strong.
Being able to see this video while it was going on live has really paid off, at every position the Hype went up thanks also to the music that, as always, did not disappoint me at all. This video is practically the summary of your channel, your biggest project and above all your biggest goal when it comes to creating a Top. For the chosen pictures I could watch the video without worrying about the ranking, enjoying music and the images, this is how much your choices made this video great. Around 100 explanations have been written for each character, never seen such a thing, both from the point of view of dedication and information, at least on YT. I am truly speechless, I also imagine how much difficulty there must have been in creating this video. You said the best was yet to come, and I must say you were absolutely right. Definitely one of the best Fate themed works and the best in terms of power scaling. I conclude by saying that your channel (and of course this video) are a great inspiration for me, from several points of view. Really, great work
I almost teared up reading your comment. 💀They might say I'm a pussy, but the truth is that I've been working on this video for 2 years and at some points I didn't know why I was even bothering to try to make sense of something as confusing and big as fate. Comments of support (whether they agree with me or not) such as yours make my day and push me to try to do better. Thank you and I'm glad you enjoyed it
I'd like to say that you have balls of steel for doing this, considering the confusion that is the nasuverse and you made it very well as well, this is the best and most accurate tier list I've seen.
Thanks
Very nice top.
I agree overall.
And it feels good to be up to date with it.
Probs for all the hardwork you did Guess.
Must have been crazy.
This is literally the cumulation of all the works did for all the time I was there.
So that makes me proud of the top !
Loved how the music went super serious the moment Altera appeared and kept getting more intense as the list grow up.
Really good.
And keep going!
I'm looking forward for your hellish discovery in the bigger Nasuverse!
Thank avalon for the music. He helped me with the music. I would send him a few drafts and he would give me feedback saying what worked better and what didn't. I struggled with this video the most because it was the longest and most important I've ever made. I knew I couldn't fuck this one up
@@guesswho8556 Nice !
Man! I reaaaaaaaally need the update of you pov 100 strongests in fate.
This takes a real amount of hard work and solid dedication to make a video like this especially when it is dealing with Fate powerscaling (which is complicated as hell) and overall it is probably one of the most accurate power ranking videos regarding Fate on youtube. But I would say that both Goetia and Solomon should be higher than Tiamat in the list simply because when the Lion king said that the beast residing in babylon MAY be stronger than the "King of mages" I am pretty sure even she didn't know the true identity of Goetia and was rather just judging him by his Grand caster vessel which is weaker than his beast form (because if she knew, she would most likely refer to him as something else and not his fake name) and it doesn't really mean that just because she has a perception equal to Goetia doesn't mean she just auto sees through his disguise and she has no reason to lie to the protagonist either in fact she was even warning them of the dangers to come.
And even if she truly knew Goetia's identity (with her mentioning something along the lines of first sin of humanity or whatever) she did say with a sense of doubt that Tiamat "MAYBE" could be stroner than Goetia.
Also Tiamat is way slower than Goetia and even by counting raw firepower, it is pretty clear that Goetia can atleast fire AAS and then reload it to fire again in a span of a few minutes (he clearly stated he was going to blast Solomon with his own noble phantasm and probably meant AAS right after firing it on Mash and even ingameplay, Goetia has a skill called "Human incineration reload" or something like that)
while Tiamat really doesn't have any sort of attack atleast shown that could really match the human incineration. The first blast of AAS could probably completely destroy the sea of life which would give her no healing factor, a second blast could deal with maybe all life on the planet (since that makes Tiamat immortal) and heck he might even blast her a third time and finish her off by pointing at her head. Even if we assumed it took atleast 5-6 minutes for him to recharge (assuming the point of Mash's death and Solomon showing up was that long) he could easily hold off any attack from the millions of lahmu things and Tiamat herself with the rest of his Demon pillar army, so overall I would say Goetia is stronger and whatever Goetia can do, Solomon can do better.
(Sorry for the long paragraph)
If Tiamat MAY surpass "the original sin of mankind" aka Beast I, that means Tiamat >= Beast I. The Lion King knew about the Temple of Time outside of time and Goetia's plan. She called him Beast I as well.
Tiamat can regenerate her entire body in a few seconds, so Goetia charging AAS again doesn't matter. Nega Genesis WHILE WEAKENED was also stated and shown to rival Lord Camelot, which in turn is also stated and shown to rival AAS. That means that WEAKENED Nega Genesis rivals AAS. Tiamat also has Nammu Duranki, which is an EX Anti World beam while nerfed as an ALTER EGO.
Tiamat isn't slow either. Even at 1/7 of her divinity she could react to GRAND ASSASSIN King Hassan, who could keep up with Sodom's Beast.
Tiamat can respawn the Sea of Life endlessly even if it is destroyed. She did it twice in Babylonia, and in less than 1 minute
The Sword Heroic Spirit.
The most famous and excellent hero in legends, who was suitable enough to manifest as the most superior servant.
To me who was an Englishwoman by nationality, to me who was born and raised in the environment called the Isle of Britain, she was a very well-known hero.
That’s why she was fearsome.
The King of Knights who was said to have defeated many foreign invaders, and was said to have driven off even the Great Roman Empire on the huge continent in her time.
In the magic world, she was known as a being who wielded the “Holy Blade of the Stars.”
She was also known as the user of the “Holy Lance” which slayed Sir Mordred who was a great traitor and even her final enemy.
The wording carved into her tombstone was “The Once and Future King.”
That true name was surely――――
“………Arthur Pendragon……...?”
i've been waiting so long for this 🔥
Am so Excited to see it
I've been working on it for 2 years kkk
Gotta give credit where it’s due. Well Done Guess Who. You deserve a Medal of commitment. 🥇
Thanks
I'm a new fan to Fate and I'm honestly surprised to see Saber: Artoria Pendragon is a fodder character.
I assumed a character as popular as her would be in the Top 10 somewhere but she didn't even make it in the Top 50.
Wow, this universe is bigger than I thought, can't wait to dive deeper into Fate, Amazing Video by the way.
Top 50 is an accomplishment. There are many characters
@@guesswho8556 Yeah, seems I overrestimated her.
You could argue that artoria saber is basically the same as arthur (so #2 on the list) but arthur was shown the capacity to defeat beast with easy and saber couldnt even handle kuzuki, soo yep
@@asdqwe4123 saber under a 3RD RATE MASTER got overwhelmed by kuzuki's unfamiliar style. It's not relevant for how artoria compares to Arthur. Artoria is ranked lower because I wanted to portray how strong each version of her is. We have salber with just Excalibur and good mana aka salter, artoria with Avalon, and Arthur with unsealed Excalibur.
This will actually be interesting.
Perhaps, next time someone is over/under hyping a character I can just send this.
good video,top well done despite the difficulty,amazing arts,super music because it was epic from the beginning to the end,seriously finally someone who does a good deed despite the difficulty,in addition to all that,you justified everything.frankly i stay on your chain guess who ✌👍🎉🤗
Thanks for the support
Finally, even if there is a lot of disagreements, this will be the most accurate list on youtube BY FAR, the music was great as always, most images are wallpaper quality and you took the time to type the reasoning for 99 mfs in this list, truly your peak work.
That being said, I have some comments.
- No Maou Nobu? I guess she is too hard to rank, you can have a rough idea of where she is in with just Gudaguda characters but including her in all of the Fate franchise you might as well pass her as featless, if I'd have to guess, maybe somewhere above Herc?
- No Ash either, I guess same thing as Maou Nobu?
- Biggest surprise in the actual ranking was Kintoki, he feels pretty random, you'd think every time he appears he would just use his bear and one shot anything if he was that strong, maybe Aphrodite isn't really all that great physically?
- Maxwell pretty much outlasts everyone below him as no one has any actual means to beat him but I'd argue Alcides could go above him, he could use Nine Lives and then Pandora to steal his NP, which would make Maxwell lose his regen, leaving him like a harmless ghost, that is assuming Alcides' conditions for stealing NPs are met.
- Okitan would teleport inside Ozy's temple, teleport drag him out and nuke him, trust me bro🗿
- Do you mind dropping Okita's placement number 😳
I'm clueless about Demon King Nobunaga. I heard she was clowned in the last few gudaguda. I doubt she is stronger than herc.
We don't know how strong ashwatthama is. Karna+ level, sure, but is that base karna or karna with his full arsenal? Even with his final ascension and support from GOD Pepe he was beaten by Rama + fatigued Jinako + fatigued lakshmibai. He never used any of his NPs, so I can't just rank him above ozymandias for no reason.
Think about this. Tametomo is just a robot some random people used based on golden huge bear's remains, and despite this the guy can walk around soloing all the archers in chaldea and matching or overpowering balmung. Then the actual real thing can fight an Olympian Machine God. I think his ranking is justified. Could he be 5 spots lower or a few ones higher? sure. without more feats we can't tell.
Maxwell's immortality comes from his Devil Proof skill, not his NP. His NP gives him infinite mana, not haxx immortality. Before activating his NP he was still immortal. Even if alcides stole it he wouldn't be able to kill him.
I didn't give the characters that didn't make it to the top 100 much thought (I've been updating the list until a few days ago). With that being said okita would be about rank 110. Just go to my top 40 and see the people I ranked between her and ushi gozen. I planned on adding Lu Bu right below cu chulainn, SUN Gawain with infinite sun right next to siegfried, and super mash above them.
Demon King Nobu only did things in the Gudaguda that she appeared afaik, not sure about the jps ones.
I vote for the bear to be lower🗿
Maxwell's immortality does come from his skill yeah, but doesn't the black giant thingy come from the NP? Like he is a "ghost" when he is summoned because he isn't the one using it or he lacks the grail, something along those lines.
Okitan's NP is pretty much super broken. Once she uses white space. She erases your entire existence. Even stated to erase beings that never existed. Wait too broken.
Love the list. Great work, I obviously have some disagreements but easily the best list I have seen. Keep up the excellent work.
List the disagreements. I'll read it carefully and see if I missed anything
@@guesswho8556 here are my disagreements (mostly just some spots switched, nothing major)
1. Abigail (Ik Ik). She was noted to have gotten MUCH stronger in her interlude (the real Abigail, not servant one) she took control of her servant self and was distorting the space around Chaldea and was going to transfer it to where she was. She is noted by multiple servants to be much stronger than she was in Salem as she was also summoning countless ghouls and monsters as well. Maybe not anything concrete, but worth a mention imo.
2. I think the reasoning for Scathach being below Rex should also apply to Karna since BOTH were oracalized. Scathach says she didn't exactly lose, but was compelled to obey. Unless you are assuming that maybe Rex got the jump on Karna, him and Scathach should be much closer together considering Karna's rival and by many accounts, equal is considered weaker than her.
3. Speaking of Arjuna, I do think he is ranked a bit low as well.
4. Are you ranking Alcides with Reincarnation Pandora? If so then ok. If not than I think he is ranked a bit to high as I feel he should be more around Achilles and below the likes of Cu Alter and Scathach. I feel Achilles is overall the stronger servant between the two but only falling behind because of the major weakness to Hydra venom I also feel that Iskandar may provide some trouble to Alcides with his army and Chariot and that Alcides has no answer to TPR. That's just my personal opinion of course.
5. I feel Ozy should have been ranked above Karna simply because of how difficult he is to overcome for more servants. Karna while powerful, is still beatable in pure cqc and has been defeat on multiple occasions with such methods. Ozy can't really be beat without actually overpowering Ram Tent or having niche abilities. I feel Ozy vs Karna is purely compatibility and Ozy is definitely the more difficult opponent for most servants to overcome.
6. I think Melusine is ranked a bit low. Like I get her general area on the list, but I feel that placing her below Ivan is pretty weird imo.
7. I get the reasoning for Amaterasu's position but going by that same reasoning she should have been ranked right below Goetia imo, I feel putting the Alien God and Vortigern is a bit awkward and based on the assumption that Amaterasu is much weaker than Goetia instead of being a rival. Idk feel free to disagree.
Those are the major disagreements, nothing drastic tbh. Overall I love the list regardless as it takes as much as possible into account. I think I would change a few other spots, just some nitpicks tho, nothing major or relevant tbh.
@@danielguardado4574 1. I hope she does more stuff in the future.
2. It would just mean neither used their NPs against rex. However, whereas Rex Magnus later says that he never expected to be able to keep Gil restrained or Charlemagne saying that Artoria shouldn't worry about Rex, Scathach goes on to say that he is well beyond Top Servant level, which should include her at the very least. Rex Magnus was defeated by severely weakened Charlemagne + nero + tamamo. Karna with his full arsenal should have nothing to fear from them.
3. There's no middle ground with Arjuna. If it takes him long so long to charge Pashupata then he isn't beating anyone above him. If not, then he should be above sieg and Charlemagne.
4. Yes. The pelt counters anything Charlemagne, sieg and percival throw at him, and with reincarnation pandora he can just steal whatever nuke they used against him. Even if some conditions need to be met to activate reincarnation pandora, chiron's immortality would already enable him to know its True Name, and if you need to touch the owner then a bunch of summoning should give him an opening as well.
5. Kavacha and Kundala's True Name Release counter anything Ozymandias throws at him. He used that function of the attack while summoned in a version of India where he had 0 fame since no one acknowledged/remembered him. With 0 fame, you wouldn't get access to something you can't use normally. That ability also justifies Nasu stating on 2 different occasions that Karna = Gilgamesh.
6. Ivan was fighting a bunch of servants while weakened and with the support of adam's golem which is just as strong as Ivan himself. Being stated by Atalanta to be equal to "the lightning of a Divine Spirit" heavily implies she is talking about PHH Divine Spirit Zeus, since that's the only lightning wielding deity she would know about. Gilgamesh also compared him to Gugalanna, which even ALIVE Gilgamesh + ALIVE Enkidu didn't manage to kill.
7. The Alien God's Saint Graph is 2nd only to Goetia. That includes Tiamat's 2nd form and Grand Caster Solomon. Goetia didn't become 2nd Planetary Class until he revealed his true form, so Grand Caster Solomon wasn't as strong as him. Amaterasu = That Solomon makes her weaker than the Alien God by default.
@@guesswho8556 1. She might, in her interlude she plans on becoming an absurdly powerful being with control over space and time and she will be able to affect all of human history so we may see her return after he training arc lol.
2. I think Scathach say that he wields a power beyond top servants but that refers to Oraclization imo, I feel she was referring to the fact that the Oraclization can affect even Top servants. I also don't think a severely weakened Charlemagne + Nero + Tam would beat Scathach at all.
3. But you can make that argument for most servants, especially Karna who has been defeated before using his np. Karna got fucked midway through VS in america for example as well as lost to Cu Alter and got one tapped before answering with any nps.
@@guesswho8556 everything else is good I guess,
This is literally the best list I ever seen of fate, no wank of Gil or BB nice list man!!
Thanks. Ranking so many characters is really hard, specially with fate.
@@guesswho8556 yeah taking in count you rank 100 characters that had to be very difficult, I just had some surprise with Astarte Origin considering she has authority that negs attacks smaller than galaxy and yet she is in 33
@@Lightning-gf5ry she can still be defeated if you shatter her spiritual core. Sigurd did it on his own
@@guesswho8556 but at the end the other Astarte had to use a bullet half of the universe size to kill her and eventually she will return
@@Lightning-gf5ry size of a galaxy*
Really nice video!
And being Musashi the unique character able to cut the Void itself, she should be higher, remember the Void is the space around the Akasha, we see this in the kara no kyoukai novels, in anime was in the movie 4. But people usually don't take this into consideration.
she still said that she couldn't have beaten zeus with that move, so cutting void isn't that impressive. If she fought anyone above her in the list she'd just get nuked.
@@guesswho8556 That argument just justify being weaker than Zeus. And only because we don't know the real scope of this technique.
The Void is literally a metaphysical location that exists at the top of all the theories in every dimension within the Nasuverse.
So, which is your source to say "cutting void isn't that impressive".
@@argaliust Zeus is never implied to be that durable. Once Quirinus buffed Caenis and Mash to 300% their normal output their normal strikes could damage Zeus. If Musashi can just slash through anything then she would have killed Zeus. That's not the case.
Musashi does reach the Void, but that doesn't mean she can suddenly overpower everything thrown at her or that conventional durability becomes useless against her. There's no evidence she can beat anyone above her on the list
@@guesswho8556 Since her np is actually Anti-Fate, a conceptual attack, should be impossible that a lot of character like Xiang Yu or Vlad III survive or or defend against it.
@@argaliust By that logic why didn't she one shot Ivan the terrible?
You are also assuming that xiang yu and vlad are just standing still in front of musashi and facing her attack head on.
Finally my boy Issei coming on top next friday gonna be the best day ever 🙏🙏
Even if we only included humans, I don't think he'd make it to the top 100
Wait are you making a HS DXD teir list?
@@kaylondepeza7942 Issei is the Student Council President and Shirou's friend in Stay Night.
@@miteigi8334 ohhh yh
I forgot about him. Thx
He's finally doing it. The madlad is actually doing it. I can only pray for the sanity you lost to make this list.
My body is made of swords. My heart of glass was destroyed a long time ago. If I'm still here it's only thanks to my mind of steel.
@@guesswho8556 Well play 🤣
This is probably your hardest video in terms of scaling and writing time, when I watched this top live, it was breathtaking, I watched with anticipation expecting to see the strongest of this list(top 1-20), some places surprised me(Merlin, Muramasa etc.), also I agree with the list, although of course I have some disagreements, but this is probably one of the coolest videos!
1)I won't ask where is Mao Nobu, but where is God Makuzu, he must be as strong as Maxwell, no?
2)Why Caenis is lower than Vlad? Vlad defeated a group of servants in CQC(Karna, Achilles, etc.), however, Caenis, with the help of her NP, could defeat several guards of Olympus(each stronger than Musashi), in addition, such Vlad was declared as weaker than Sieg, who at that time caught up with Brahmastra Kundala, if you don't say that Caenis is weaker than Karna with Brahmastra, then the order can be:Caenis(NP)>Sieg(Balmung+Galvanism)>=Karna(Brahmastra Kundala)>=BB(Moon Cell Absorbed)>=Arjuna Alter(Mahapralaya Base)=Moon Cell Core=Heavenly Boulder>Surtr(NP).
11)Why is King Hassan so high? His Best Feat is slicing Tiamat's wings when she was Ultra Weakened, using the Grand Saint Graph (he also provided her with the Concept of Death).
12)Shouldn't Zeus be taller than Morgan since Beryl said that after Zeus died, Morgana became the strongest?
Sorry for so many questions.
13)Demeter is stronger than Qin Shi Huang, why?
Top many questions
@@guesswho8556 I have shortened the questions.
1) God of Makuzu is just Maxwell's Demon but without the conceptual immortality.
2) The Olympian Soldiers aren't stronger than Musashi. They are physically stronger, but Musashi is superior thanks to her greater skill. Caenis without any of her NPs could kill 3+ Olympus Soldiers with a single thrust, so they aren't that great. Killing 20+ with your strongest attack is a good feat, but considering how weak they are and how weak caenis is as well it doesn't mean much. If Caenis tried to fight all the servants that couldn't kill Vlad she'd get slaughtered.
3) Jack needed 200 clones to push Alcides. Vlad was pushing Karna + Achilles + Semiramis + Atalanta + Chiron all empowered by Command Spells + Jeanne. Being slightly stronger than Alcides doesn't make you Vlad level.
4) Abigail still did impressive stuff and could create powerful barriers. They needed circe (a witch from the age of gods) to counter her debuffs.
5) Merlin is as strong or stronger than them in Base, and has immortality.
6) Gae Bolg or Curruid Conchenn get blocked by Akhilleus Kosmos, and with his chariot Achilles is out fo range for cu alter to use his superior CQC skills.
7) Charlemagne.
8) Servant Artoria's Mana costs 1,000 units because SERVANT Artoria's MAXIMUM OUTPUT is 1,000. If it was used by a stronger character, in this case, ALIVE Artoria, the output would increase. Saber Alter has more mana, but her maximum output is still practically the same.
9) Nebuchadnezzar II.5 is Nebuchadnezzar II's FULL POTENTIAL + Gilgamesh's ABILITIES. Why would he be weaker than Gilgamesh? In fact, Enkidu himself said he wouldn't be able to beat Nebuchadnezzar II.5, and he needed the help of Larva Tiamat + Lancelot + Kintoki + Tamamo + Mash to actually beat him. Even with all those servants they still struggled a lot and took damage.
10) Arjuna Alter needing to focus all his power in a single point doesn't make Surtr weaker than BB. If let's say the Moon Cell Core was equal to 1,000 units, and Arjuna Alter's was 2,000, the reason Arjuna couldn't destroy it is that his 2,000 units were being distributed across all of India instead of being focused on a single entity. Focused Mahapralaya is still 2,000, but it's focused on a single target. Surtr could be 1,500 for all we know.
The Ark of the Stars (which is equal to the Moon Cell) was one shotted by Saber Venus (who is just Nero + Aphrodite + Phtono Ray). Surtr who soloed an entire Phantheon and is stated to be on par with Rhongomyniad should be way stronger than that.
11) King Hassan was also able to fight Sodom's Beast for an extended period of time. The attack that fucked up Tiamat would likely kill anyone below him on the list, and with teleportation, their nukes won't reach him.
12) Beryl never mentioned Zeus when he said Morgan was the strongest. He said that after the Alien God failed to merged with a Fantasy Tree, Morgan was the strongest.
13) Demeter has infinite regen and her NP was so strong that even buffed Mash wouldn't be able to block it more than 3 times. Qin Shi Huang's strongest attack we've seen was blocked by Spartacus
@@guesswho8556
1)Ok.
2)Ok.
3)Wasn't every clone as strong as Alcides?
4)If everything is as you say, then why is she lower than Sasaki?
5) Artoria is also stronger than Gilgamesh in Base, but at the same time she is weaker. If Merlin is helped by immortality, then why is he not higher than Arjuna, whom he is stronger in the Base?
6)Ok.
7)Charlemagne on EX-rank, cool.
8)That is, Artoria's Excalibur was stronger during Life?
9)Enkidu could not defeat Nebuchadnezzar II.5 because he was a Servant and Nebu possessed the Living Body of Gilgamesh.
10)How does this contradict what I said? Basic Mahapralaya (distribution throughout India) was stronger than NP Surtra, and when you concentrate an attack at one point, the damage increases on it (since one target takes the entire attack). The fact that Nero with the sword of Ares can destroy the Moon Cell does not mean that Surtr can do it, since at that time he was strengthened by the power of "Love", in addition to this sword, Sefar also became stronger. Both NPs are considered divine constructs, in addition, it is not known how strong the Norse Gods were, maybe they were weaker than Ares. Plus BB has a skill similar to Lord of Camelot, Potnia Theron, which will protect BB from Surtr attacks.
11)I agree with teleportation, but how will it help him against Artemis? Unless you claim that Tiamat (Weakened to 1/7, Merlin, etc.) can defeat anyone below King Hassan.
12)Ok.
13)Ok
@@user-hk3ie8zd2l 3) It is never remotely implied that each clone is as strong as Alcides. 200 of them jumped at him at once and while they were indeed overpowering him they weren't doing much to him.
4) What has anything I said imply she should be above Sasaki?
5) I don't know where you got Merlin is stronger than Arjuna in BASE.
8) Yes.
9) Being a servant doesn't make you weaker by default. Enkidu was in his home country, and therefore receiving a fame boost that would make him as strong as he can possibly be in that era. He was also in the Age of Gods, when mysteries are strengthened to their max. There's no reason why he would be any weaker than when he was alive.
10) Mahpralaya had MORE MANA than Surtr's NP. They didn't say anything about it being stronger. Even if it was stronger, which it is, that strength is being distributed on a large area and therefore won't damage smaller portions of land as a direct strike from surtr's NP would.
Love is Aphrodite's Authority, and even with it she was never remotely comparable to someone like Ares or Artemis, who aren't Rhongomyniad level.
Surtr also has Anti-Divine haxx that would nerf BB to oblivion. On the other hand, BB's invisibility is useless if you are somewhat comparable to her in power.
11) If King Hassan couldn't beat WEAKENED Tiamat, then yes, she would logically beat anyone below King Hassan.
Planetary Levels of power can and have damaged Artemis. King Hassan being a Grand Servant, which is meant to take down planetary entities such as the Beasts should have the firepower necessary to deal with her.
Part 2 when?
Great video. I don't nessacarilly agree with every choice, but I respect the research and effort you put into this video.
I appreciate that! I would like to know what you disagree with though
Bin a long time coming but you delivered amazingly 👏 👏 👏. Was surprised about few characters who didn't make the cut and the placements of some of the top 20 but all in all thank you for this and the work put into it. On behalf of the community we really appreciate this kind of work
Thanks for the support
This is what I have been waiting for 🔥🔥🔥👍👍👍
This is a solid list 😃 No Gilgamesh wanking either. And for the most part fgo wise I'd say is pretty accurate. It baffles me that I saw somewhere in Reddit that Gilgamesh can beat Oberon are you fucking serious. 😂😂 I like gil but he can't even beat B.B. even in CCC lols. Even in the Fgo wiki Oberon is not shown to be weak against EA.
Sad but true
I'd like to say that your list is pretty well made. Of course people do have their own opinions on some stuff here and there but overall I think that you must be congratulated for your work. Great job my friend.
P.S: I would recommend you read Adventures of lord el melloi, because the characters there will certainly make the list here.
Ok thanks for the support
This is such a good list , well done man 🔥🔥🔥👌🏻
Thanks
It is definitely the Top I was expecting, plus I was pleasantly surprised by many positions. Virtually every character is positioned correctly and I have re-evaluated some of my previous opinions. I have various questions though, mostly related to not having in mind how exactly one character can be compared to another
1)Achilles has an incredible arsenal, but as far as the attack is concerned, why his chariot and the offensive use of the Akhilleus Kosmos in your opinion would be enough to overcome Cu Alter?
2)I admit I have no idea how Nebu and Dark Iri compare
3)Why do you think Ivan is superior to Melusine?
1) Akhilleus Kosmos should be able to block anything Cu Alter throws at him, and the chariot should be able to kill Cu Alter. Maybe not. They are interchangeable I guess.
2) Read the pinned comment. It took Enkidu + Larva Tiamat + Lancelot + Kintoki + Tamamo + Mash to beat Nebuchadnezzar II.5. With Dark Iri, they needed Artoria + Counter Guardian Kiritsugu + Diarmuid + Mash + Servant Waver.
3) Ivan is compared to Gugalanna by Gilgamesh, who even ALIVE Gil + ALIVE Enkidu couldn't kill. Atalanta also implied that Ivan's strongest attack is as strong as PHH Divine Spirit Zeus. Melusine just died to Percival.
@@guesswho8556 1) We actually don't know the attack power of Achilles' chariot, so I think it's okay to say they are interchangeable
2) Oh right, I completely forgot to compare the two teams
3) Gilgamesh says that Ivan is big enough to rival Gugalanna, does he also speak of his strength? The strongest attack of Ivan is equal to that of Zeus (I don't remember if Ivan was already weakened when this information was implicitly made) and Melusine died because of Percival, but I don't think this can describe the fight Ivan Vs Melusine. Do we know how strong Lost Longinus is (besides the fact that it can mortally wound Melusine)? Artoria failed to beat Melusine and even if Ivan could kill her, it must be considered that Melu's heat rays are very powerful and (from what I know) we don't know how strong they are compared to Ivan's best attack. Even if the Insect Of The Abyss was decaying, considering the resistance and quantity of the Mors that compose it, being able to break in it is extremely impressive.
@@thehunter2093 1) The narrator of Fate/Apocrypha states that the chariot "is virtually perfect in both attack and defense - one of the pinnacles of what heroes could accomplish."
It should be a pinnacle mount surpassing sakamoto ryouma's NP or medusa's Bellerophon (?) It should be up there at least.
3) Ivan was already weakened when atalanta said that. Lost Longinus was also used against woodwose (without his invulnerability), and the guy just ran away to go kill Morgan. Ivan was more durable than Adam's golem, which could tank ivan's strongest attack according to beowulf. That means that Ivan is more durable than his strongest Zeus level attack. Melusine's heat rays don't have feats to suggest they can overpower ivan's lightning and kill him as well.
Regular melusine killed hundreds of mors with 1 strike, but she couldn't kill caster cu or Muramasa after striking him dozens of times. Melusine in her albion form killing more mors doesn't say much
@@guesswho8556 1) Cu with his Np should be able to survive Achilles' chariot, however as it can be spammed and considering the AK, in the end I think you are right to place Achilles above Cu. If we consider the Troias Tragoidia at the level of the Via Expugnatio, all doubts should vanish
3) Well you're right Ivan is more impressive and this logic doesn't go against Woodwose, Melu and Ivan's feats at all. As Gugalanna's size has been used several times to emphasize its power, Ivan's position is right.
Thanks for the answers
Goated with the sauce list
Its still crazy to think we live in a time ppl like cu,gawain,lancelot and siegfried dont scratch the top 100
I guess it wouldve been hopeless even if fionn got better content
Also rin being above ishtar is the best part lmao
Edit: forgot to mention
Kiara wins fr fr
Which doesn't make much sense to me since according to fate extra, cu would qualify for a top servant. Also knights of the round table are considered the best of heroic Spirits, even the lower class ones like bedivere.
Nice list. There isn't much else to say. Hope you revise this list once when the second part of F/GO is finished since we're probably getting a few characters that reach the top of this list in the next Lostbelt and final battle.
I'm starting tsukihime this summer. Maybe a Top 50 strongest Nasuverse characters(?). I doubt I'll be making a top 100 fate again
@@guesswho8556 Hope you enjoy Tsukihime. Btw i haven't read/played/watched every Fate nor i am caught up with FGO so i dunno where Arcueid appeared in Fateverse, can you tell me?
@@motemo8413 she appeared in fate extra but she was nerfed af. The reason she is ranked so high is that her material states that if she regained her reason she'd be the only character that could possibly beat Amaterasu out of all the characters that appear in fate extra and CCC. This would mean that Amaterasu and arcueid beat Buddha, kiara, BB, and CCC Gil
Your greatest list so far!!! I wonder why you'd put the alien god above Amaterasu and Arcueid?
The alien God is 2nd only to Goetia, meaning she surpasses tiamat in her 2nd form and grand caster "Solomon". Tamamo no Mae is on par with "Solomon".
Now that La Creatura is in FGO, this list isn't quite right anymore, since La Creatura is the second strongest Nasuverse-character.
@@nurventilatoren wtf is la creatura
Great work, Great list.
Thanks
How Long have you been following this channel? Have you been looking forward to this Top? Leave a comment explaining your experience. I'd love to read it!
it must have been a little over a year for me
I should be following this account for a yeats maybe.
I broke up with some friends during that time and i was alone, I was also on my fate period so YT hom was full of those videos. I like power scaling and your videos were the only one that really looks good to me and i followed you on community post. It helped me a lot to understand better Nasuverse and how some abilities works and then after sometimes i joined in the DS and i find a very good community who makes my days better (with Mak spamming and giving my Nick and all other guys helping with my doubts and question, also improving my English and slang)
It's gave me a lot of more confidence and i starting even debating more on YT and Ds.
I can't say that it was a bad experience, not even my greatest but it's surely helped me a lot and i also like a lot when you made another verse post, seeing your channels expanding like with JJK and so on.
almost 1 year for me, amazing channel and work, ever since i learned that you will be making top 100 i was so excited, i must say you didnt let me down with rankings when i saw Kojiro on list i was so happy a bit salty that he is belove Yagyu but oh well
btw amazing music as always
would like to get your epic playlist it would be awesome for workouts
I think about 2-3 years, something like that. I always loved the channel and the way you organized the characters' power lines, Tierlists content is one of my favorites and it's hard to find people who really do it well (Speaking of Fate because that's the case in this video, it hurts me whenever they say that Gilgamesh >>> Nasuverse, or some BS like this), the curious thing is that english is not my first language, and I learned a lot just reading your comments explaining the power levels or debating with someone about some position on the list, as there are many terms from the stories and English is more "internetized", it was really fun. Anyway, you're doing an excellent job and this list is a result of that, I don't know how to formulate comments very well, but I hope you've passed on how much I like your Channel ^^
I've been following you for a year or so. I remember I was looking for some decent videos on Fate and I stumbled upon your Top 60. I was really impressed that you wanted to write your reasons in the comments, which no one has ever done besides you in a Fate top. It had become a routine for me to follow your posts. In each explanation I saw how much time and passion you have given to this franchise, which inspired me to dissect every product I came across until I knew it 100%. One fateful day I saw a post "Who are your Top 34 Strongest Fate Characters?" with the image of Gil in place 35. In the comments you wrote that you would release the Top next summer. From that very moment I have been waiting for this day. I won't go too far because I still have my comment to make, but know that today was a day that ended a year of wonderful waiting.
So far Solomon is the strongest grand servant that we know huh
Congratulation on the list and the huge work behind
Thanks for the support
I have waited a long time for this
Damn romolus with the helm is really cool
It's fan made I think, but yes, it looks really cool
Following this channel for few month after completing solomon movie
Always best explained reasons
And satisfying list
At first thought goetia , solomon, tiamat, is at peak
But there is always a bigger fish
Thanks for the comment
@@guesswho8556 a question, is Zeus capable of destroying Galaxies/Universe??? and another question he has a feat of destroying Galaxy in games, I've seen people saying that yes it's true.
@@hajundeushadou3931 Zeus doesn't have a single feat of destroying anything. The moment he was about to destroy Earth he was killed by Mash.
Zeus' NP is stated to be Anti-Planet, Anti-Star System, Anti-Space Time, and Anti-Concept. It should be able to blow up star systems, warp space time, and cut through conceptual defenses.
@@guesswho8556 if Mash killed him, why is he not on the list?
@@mahmoudbenzarti4534 what
Thanks for this worth the wait
Not super related but I wonder how strong divine spirit iskander would've been if he appeared for more than 2 seconds. There's like a whole ass new servant there they could create from that chapter. Considering some statements prior like the amount of magicules being so heavy the air was hard to breath dude could probably do something insane, don't know what but something was there.
the statements about having a heavy aura or making it hard to breathe are super generic and don't give any details about how strong someone is. Even Archer Herc or Artoria could do that much, and regular iskandar is comparable to them.
"The Council of Masters Approves"
I am humbled
@@guesswho8556 Yorokobe Shounen
@@Erohimu I got that reference!
if the featless characters rule wasn't there, 「 」 (aka void shiki) would be in the first place
but since she's just doesn't care enough to actualy do anything she isn't there
Shiki Void isn't even top 100 Strongest in Fate. She was stated to be on par with musashi before shimousa lol.
idk where you got that info
the closest i could find was that MHX "senses the same aura from Miyamoto Musashi as she did from Shiki" while talking about saber shiki
but living「 」is waaay more powerfull the saber shiki
she is considered to be the personnification of the root itself
「 」as already experienced every single timeline and event in the nasuverse and anything she wish will come true, *without limits*
while in pure combat power she can't do anything, she can just wish that "the opponent never existed" and done
but being omnipotent (all powerfull) and omniscient (all knowing) make existence boring so she just sleep inside shiki (so no feats because doesn't actually do anything)
her only weakness is the fact that she is tied to human shiki
edit : she also state that she could remake the entire nasuverse from the ground up including new laws of physic, but that it would delete the current universe so there is no point
@@antoniogaravo9289 this is a fate list, and fate Shiki is not top 100.
@@guesswho8556 sorry, i just assumed that nasuverse characters are counted as fate characters
@@antoniogaravo9289 are influencers considered as Logan and Jake Paul? No. It's the other way around.
My phone went flat about a bit before this went live, but congrats big boy, you’ve come a long way
Your phone couldn't handle so much overwhelming power coming from the "StRoNgEsT fAtE pOwErScAlEr"
Thanks for the support buddy. This was a long time coming, and it shows
Finally the vidio that i waited so Long, the music, ranking, images everyting is super. Also yeeeah my waifu "Momy Tiamat" Make it to reach top 5
Thanks for the support
@@guesswho8556 anytime bro
Imagine after do this top 100 two day later new servant who can brake the top was announced
That's how fate works
@@guesswho8556 true its always FATEd to happen
I never expect that Arthur (13 seal released) would be that strong. But what makes me curious is he really that strong or is it just because he has special advantages on defeating those monsters (like beast & the others) so you put him at rank 2? Btw great video 🔥🔥🔥 🙏😀
He's that strong because a youtuber says it? Maybe read the materials, bubba.
It's Excalibur but it depends on the constraints.We have not seen Artoria unlock constraints against ennemies but Arthur yes, that's why it's ranked there.By the way without the 13 constraints it is equal to Artoria.Since certain conditions are needed to unlock the constraints so Excalibur 13 seals released>Whore of Babylon.We have seen it.In conclusion in Arthur/Artoria(13 seals released)>Whore of Babylone>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Arthur/Artoria
@@vicount3944 He ranks this high because of Excalibur and his feats. He literally one shot the whore of Babylon who is the strongest beast we've seen so far and since we've never seen anything survive a full power Excalibur (including Sefar) he gets that spot through his feats
Unsealed Excalibur one shotted Sefar in the past. It's stated there was no being on earth who could have beaten sefar during 12,00 BC. Even 100% Zeus or Amaterasu (who rivals the Alien God) couldn't scratch Sefar. Then came a random human with excalibur and one shotted her.
In FGO Arcade we get Whore of Babylon, who is stated to be 1 tier above Goetia, and even the combined efforts of GRAND ASSASSIN King Hassan + Merlin + Mash couldn't do anything to her. Then came Arthur and one shotted her no diff.
Yes. Excalibur is that strong. It's no surprise that Chaldea wants to use it against the Alien God in the Lostbelts.
@@malogor2127 You talk about WoB being the most powerful yet Arthur wouldn't be able to beat Tiamat on his own.
Bro this is the best fate power level video i have seen. I mean i have a very very very little arguments about some character but otherwise this is perfect. And this guy explains all this characters powers and feats in the comment that is unbelievable. Hands of to you dude
Thanks. There's room for improvement though. I did get a few things wrong. We learn new stuff constantly and fan translations get corrected with time. The list as a whole is pretty decent.
@@guesswho8556Does Tiamat still rank in top 5?
@@zenfy5814 no
Let me ask you something.
Do you plan on taking a look at the wider Nasuverse?
I'm starting tsukihime this summer. Let's see how well it goes
@@guesswho8556 If you haven't already you could take a look at Angel NOTES. It gives us a little insight on the Types and it takes less than 1 hour to read through. Also the concept is really awesome and I hate that it's only a short story. Maybe we get a little more of that after Nasu is finished with fgo
@@guesswho8556 Are you reading the Remake or the original?
@@malogor2127 Yeah, NOTES is really good
Just for the fact Arthur is top 2 am happy
Tiamat reach top 5 and gil top 30 lets go
Awesome.
You might as well have put "anyone with unsealed Excalibur" at the number two spot though.
the wielder being a top servant is just the cherry on top.
So Unsealed Excalibur and Unsealed Rhongomyniad I assume does not require any magical energy from its wielders?
@@meremsolomon4744
Not sure but when it comes to Excalibur I wouldn't be surprised. Its first wielder was a human right? Excalibur is essentialy just a gigantic blast of mana, so powerful Sefar can't absorb it. I don't think any human could provide that much energy. Therefore I would assume unsealed Excalibur provides it's mana by itself somehow. Wouldn't be the first item to do so.
Perhaps I'm wrong though
@@meremsolomon4744 I don't know about rhongomyniad, but excalibur shouldn't. It was used by a regular human when it killed sefar
Alright then, thanks for the answer guys 👍
MY KING 👑
zashuu
my boy arthur pendragon come in top🔥
How much did the top 16-1 characters pay you to put them above the almighty roma
Not enough
El solo atreverse a hacer un top 100 personajes mas fuertes de Fate Series es tener unos tremendos huevos enormes.
You know what I disagree with but good video ya got there, mate. Hope you get more views
What do you disagree with? Sorry, a lot of subs and I don't keep track of everyone's profile pic
@@guesswho8556 off course the tiamat placing
@@tajup8741 oh ok
Good list, I agree with 95%, I just disagree with some things, I also have some questions about the video (I'm using translate, English is not my language).
1-I think Tohsaka is in a very high position I can see some servants like Altera, Richard and Caenis (At sea) defeating her even though she has the jeweled sword and reaction speed of a servant, but I sure can't see her defeating Achilles , the jeweled sword would do nothing because it was designed by shirou and as far as i know he can not reproduce divine constructions , rin has no divinity so the only way for her to win would be to hit his heel , which is almost impossible for her because of that "Dromeus Komētēs: In his legend, Achilles is recorded as the fastest hero in human history. and she would be easily crushed by Akhilleus Kosmos. Same goes for Sieg, Achilles being much faster and more durable without god, Sieg won't even scratch it.
2-You put Yu Meiren above Xiang Yu in the LB3 video, Xiang Yu is here but Yu Mei not why?
3-I thought that Artoria living with Exalibur and Avalon was stronger, like Buddha level, with Avalon she is untouchable since not even an NP Anti-World Rank EX could do anything.
4-And Vritra? I don't know her very well but people on Reddit say she is stronger than Karna and Enkidu, what do you think?.
Other than that it was a good list especially when you list all the reasons in the comments. I hope you were able to read it even using translate
1) Shirou was powered by Illya and Rin when he projected the sword. They literally have his mind travel back in time to the 1st HGW when Zelretch used it and killed justeaze von einzbern. After projecting shirou says that he has no idea wtf happened and that he can't comprehend the sword, the same stuff he says when he sees Ea.
Each beam fired by the sword is as strong as Excalibur and when rin uses welt ended it creates a giant explosion SEVERAL TIMES STRONGER than the regular beam. Achilles has no way to survive that, and the explosion is so big it would catch his heel no problem.
Karna and siegfried are stated to be on par with achilles, and during siegfried vs achille sfight achilles was tagged numerous times. Him being the fastest doesn't mean he blitzes everyone else. Cu Chulainn is the fastest servant in stay night but artoria and herc have no issues keeping up with him or overwhelming him. Same case with sieg. He can fire a NP as strong as vasavi shakti, and his Fafnir form tanked vasavi shakti in FGO. Achilles has no way of taking it down.
2) Yu Mei Ren doesn't have quantifiable feats. We don't know how she compares to the the people above xiang yu.
3) Avalon making her untouchable is irrelevant if you are overall stronger than her. Quetzalcoatl, woodwose and meltryllis are all invulnerable to her, and stronger. She has no hopes of beating any of them. Artoria being buddha level cause avalon makes no sense. Buddha is stronger than kiara, who could have killed CCC Gilgamesh with a wave of her hand if she wanted to. The Power cliffing in Fate is crazy, and Alive artoria is THOUSANDS if not MILLIONS OF TIMES WEAKER than the actual strongest guys.
4) Vritra's abilities are very specific and just like with yumeiren she lacks feats to see how high she can get
@@guesswho8556 is the jeweled sword dive? cuz if its not then Achilles will not even take a scratch
@@altirius if the explosion covers his entire body it will destroy his heel and kill him.
Vritra can't even be damaged unless it's at dusk/dawn I forget which, and she can't be injured by man made or divine weaponry (hence why she's afraid of bubble baths, as Indra kills her with a pillar of bubbles in mythology.)
@@guesswho8556 Bro you the first person l meet that some how downplays Achilles speed.
Your Cu example also doesn't help since Cu is no where near Achilles in speed. Dude has aliteral Np that powers his speed.
I agree with Op. Rin with jewel sword is like achild with a light saber. Sure it is lethal if she pricks you with it but can She?
Remember shiki? She has the freaking mystic eyes of death yet all she can manage is a defensive battle vs servants.
Humans are too weak and slow and in experienced to fight servants. Rin will be killed before she can even blink or consider using her sword.
Consider this, Rin had the capacity and ability to oneshot emiya Archer with her gems. But could she if the t came down to it in a fight? Emiya would skewer her before she even blinks.
The jewel sword is nothing new, Rin always had the power to oneshot aservant (low magic resist servants) but she couldn't apply it due to human stats. The jewel sword doesn't fix that issue
I have something in mind that really got me thinking, although it's not related to this tier list.
Let's say that Tiamat actually succeded on climbing back up from the Underworld, and then nuking everybody else with her NP Nammu Duranki as well as flooding the entire planet with her Chaos Tide.
If I remember correctly, Goetia was so sure that Tiamat would've won against Chaldea.
In this 'what if' scenario where his confidence about Tiamat beating Chaldea actually come true, what's Goetia gonna do next, since Tiamat apparently already wiped out humanity and all other life forms by that time?
We know that Goetia have no way on properly killing Tiamat because of her complex immortality haxes either. So what's your take for such 'what if' scenario where Tiamat won?
tiamat killing everyone in babylonia doesn't affect goetia's plans. He would have still travelled back in time to recreate the genesis of earth
@@guesswho8556
And what happened to Tiamat if Goetia is able to proceed to complete his main goal since Chaldea is out of the picture?
Good list. but I feel like yu mierien(true ancestor form)should be somewhere on this list. She was casually fighting multiple servants, spamming her np using earth as resource similar to arcued. We needed to be ultra buffed by koyansaka just to survive.
But it is unquantifiable. The servants she fought weren't particularly strong.
Astarte should’ve been higher. Her body is an outrageous form of the primitive universe itself, and with galaxy life theory she only accepts attacks from the same existence rank as herself (over Galactic scale). Even Chaos is on the fixed stars scale
Ashtart Origin can be damaged with attacks below Galaxy level. Sigurd literally shattered her saint graph in 2 with a single NP blast. You need a Planet-Galaxy NP to destroy her ENTIRE body, but as shown with Sigurd, weaker attacks can defeat her as well.
Finally, the most long-awaited video will be released very soon!!!
Why is "Three burning god" Karna so low ?
He fought Arjuna alter
I would have put him above the Lion King and Surtur
And where is Asvathaman?
It's because he fought a nerfed Arjuna alter I think, if Super Karna had to fight with 100% Arjuna alter he would have losed.
Arjuna alter nerfed and super karna are basically at the same level and by tge dialogues Karna still had a Hard time to defeat him.
All Super Karna did is beat Arjuna Alter with 0 Divinity in a brawl. Ishtar with 3/7 of her divinity is weaker than a gallu, the fodder spirits Ana killed in the Babylonia anime that were killing the elderly. Divinity/Authority/Faith is an EXPONENTIAL BOOST, so if Ishtar at 3/7 is fodder to SUPPRESSED Ana, then Super Karna beating HIGH DIFF Arjuna Alter in CQC with no faith whatsoever doesn't make him remotely comparable to FULL POWER Arjuna Alter, let alone Mahapralaya. Surtr would one shot Super Karna without even using his NP.
LB Asvattama should've been included
I thought The Spider would be on the list but i guess it was only mentioned in some series so it wasn't listed. Great job btw
Yeah, no feats to go by yet.
Thanks for the support
Also, MY BOY MAXWELL'S DEMON APPEARED
Still waiting for the day grand saber Arthur is going to solo the entire fate multiverse😂
It will only happen in fgo since this is where the concept of grand servant is most developed.Besides what I liked in this ranking of Arthur and Artoria is that we saw Arthur unlocking constraints not Artoria hence the ranking of the two is different.Besides even in the top 2 of Arthur/Artoria we are not sure because he depends on the real power of Excalibur.Moreover even if it hurts😓, the concept of great saber will surely apply to Artoria since it's the true of the nasuverse.
I doubt he is a grand in FGO since he is from a parallel world. Artoria is gonna be the one, unless they pull up a Super Orion 2.0
@@guesswho8556 Unfortunately I'm sure it's Artoria but great Orion 2.0 🤣
@@guesswho8556 GallaCHAD Grand Saber, start crying
Very good list as a whole its must have been a pain to do some many characters, well done
I only have some questions
Servantverse characters as a whole slap the rest of Fate
Why is Space Ishtar full power not first?
Gil 1.5 is confirmed to be unable to make full use of Gate of Babylon such as EA and Enkidu, so why he is so high up
Where did the writers say Artoria would draw with serious Gilgamesh?
Artoria said she will lose to Gil if he wasn't suprised by Avalon meaning she only had one chance to beat him
The rest I have no issue with although maybe Kirschtaria with Sirius light should be above Romulous
As morgan and Beryl both claim Kirschtaria is the only one who could have beaten them (Not counting betrayal)
1) Space Ishtar was taken down by Sigurd, and regular servants can react to her attacks and block them. She would get slapped by anyone above her on the list. She has high firepower but it takes her a long ass time to charge, has low speed, and can be defeated if you just destroy her core.
2) It was never stated that Gilgamesh II can't use Ea or Enkidu. Either way, Enkidu himself said that he couldn't beat him on his own, and needed Larva Tiamat + Lancelot + Kintoki + Tamamo + Mash to help him to actually beat Nebuchadnezzar.
3) Fate/Zero 2013 interview:
"TMF : Well, well the last question of the interview. If Gilgamesh was serious when he fought Saber, who would win?
U : The problem is that a serious Gilgamesh doesn't exist. But, if that ever happened and he fought Saber, neither would win. Nasu said it.
KS : Oh!
All : [laughs]
TMF : We can't say anything.
KS : We bow down."
Artoria never said she would lose, but that she couldn't win. Just because Enkidu can't beat Gilgamesh doesn't mean he'd lose to him. That's what being TIED means.
@@guesswho8556 nice explained bro
@@KalkiRanesh thanks
@@guesswho8556 hey can mash able to defeat alter saber in 1 v 1 . I think she wasn't completely defeated her in singularity f.....Right??
@@KalkiRanesh mash had help from caster cu, and salter wasn't going all out.
Mash can technically tie with salter because lord Camelot can block almost any attack but she is way weaker than Salter.
This list was..interesting, but it your opinion so I got to respect it. I just subscribed, so keep up the good work 👍
ok
@@guesswho8556 lol I wasn't being a hater or anything, it just a lot of these placements caught me off guard. Could have swear some was a tad bit more stronger than others. You got balls doing a list like this and I respect that as a fellow Fate fan 👍
@@ShaqMaxx1 I just said ok. Didn't call you a hater. Thanks for the support
Really nice fanarts on a lot of the characters, even though the list is pretty inaccurate but hey Type-moon universe is pretty fkn huge no wonder you missed including Zelretch at all ^^
Inaccurate because Zelretch isn't on the list? This is a Fate List. Zelretch doesn't have any feats in Fate.
I was shocked to see Artoria above Gil and didn't you said that charlmagne is stronger than her or did i misunderstood?
Artoria with AVALON > Gilgamesh > Charlemagne > Artoria
Top servant's with multiple NPs > Artoria with Excalibur
Alive Artoria with Avalon > Alive Gilgamesh >= Alive Artoria > Servant Gilgamesh > Charlemagne > Servant Artoria
Great
I'm surprised you didn't include Ash (with his immortality that make him tank VS), Mao Nobu (you ranked her higher than Arash in you GudaGuda video) and especially Darius (from Prillya), is there any reason they're not here ?
Also Mélu bellow Ivan, Nova's taking the loss. Nice. 👌
They don't have quantifiable feats. We know how strong they are at bare minimum, but not how they compare to others at their peak.
@@guesswho8556 Well, there is characters in the list whose high ball is unknown (Ishtar, QSH, Ibuki, Douman, Koyanskaya just from the top of my head), I believe it would have been fair to put at least Ash (probably Mao too) at their low ball.
OH, also I just realised you put Iskandar higher than Scathach !
Another loses for mister N.
@@yamifoene7534 ashwatthama lost to rama + fatigued jinako + fatigued lakshmibai. He wouldn't make it to the top 100
@@guesswho8556 didn't he tank Vasari Shakti?
@@danielhong6908 yes
Why is Chaos>unsealed Excalibur when the former doesn't have any feats on the level of the latter?
Chaos is protected by his Cross Dimensional Maze, which as far as we know, arthur can't bypass. His durability is also so crazy he can't be destroyed by AAS tier nukes. And on top of that, he has access to Zeus's Final Judgement Keraunos.
I love how Ares is given proper respect in Fate. Being one of the top 10 divine beings in existence.
I can't see Mauo Nobunaga ?
One day, my mother had brought me to observe the king from the shadows - a steel figure of bravery, and austerity, and temperance.
“That is your goal. That is the enemy you must defeat. That is the king you must fell.”
Impossible - how could I hope to overcome such flawless elegance?
The king’s judgment, the king’s swordsmanship, the king’s strategies; they were all the utter definition of perfection.
As a knight, I brought down those who opposed the king. “Why do you oppose your king,” I would ask.
They would retort, “our king is far too infallible.”
What fools.
Was that not exactly why our king was great?
In all of man’s long history, when had there ever been such a perfect king? Most who called themselves kings were cruel, and proud, and contemptuous - presenting their own greed as a source of joy for their people.
These kings gave dreams to those who follow them, or took them away, but upon even once having their own dreams taken from their grasp, they left disaster in their wake with no thoughts for the future.
“All who become king are the same. They steal from the people, and the people must steal in turn."
But the King of Knights had no selfish desires.
The king saw only what was needed, and everything else might as well not exist. The king carried no dreams, forging ahead only to unite our homeland - a pure existence as exquisite as a sharpened blade.
I'm surprised, I don't agree with some things but I agree with most and if it seems to make sense and it's not just a whim to put your fav character as the most powerful (because I've seen them XD) It's one of the most accurate lists on the franchise, you're definitely brave putting this up because faters get mad if they don't see their fav pj all the way up (it must have happened to you with Muramasa idk)
Sorry if seems weird i don't speak English 😂👍
What are some things you disagree with? There has been some ranking changes due to the release of LB7
*sees that Qin Shi Huang Is in top 40*
"I've seen enough, I'm satisfied"
Morgan>Arjuna and Zeus. Now people will finally understand this. Its annoying how people are downplaying Morgan just because she's a mage and has a frail body compared to the other two that they ignore how busted her abilities compared to them.
Morgan in a fair fight will loose to both of them, she can snipe their lb trees and that's it, those guys are invincible
@@jeanniemaycrawford4466 eeh not really
Morgan with only 1 Rhongo is already said to be able to hold her own against any LB King, which puts her at least on the same level as the Zeus that Chaldea faced (35% KK), she has 12 to use at once, and Arjuna doesn't compare to the two at all, he's a mosquito close to Zeus
But you can try to argue from a hypothetical Zeus 100%, but nothing concrete
Arthur the true king 🔥🔥
great video
I'm so happy I watched this anime dude this topic came out of our subject and I got to answer some questions
The video is outdated due to new events and series, but it still works for a lot of things.
Gilgamesh is one of my favorite fate characters, but going by the fact it isn't even mythological mystic code, I heavily doubt he's even going to make it into the top 50 going by your own scaling.
I think MMC Gil is included here.
@@gilgameshkingofheroes5903
N70:"is it gilgamesh in his mythological mystic code or just regular plain ccc gilgamesh?"
Guess who:"Normal"
Source:community tab when he asked what placement they thought gil was going to be.
@@NO-zb3fz
Oh I see.
Well, maybe he'll just include both?
@@gilgameshkingofheroes5903 Heavily doubt it. At best he's just going to compile all the mystic code characters into one spot.
Good opinion indeed, but allow me to state some opinion of mine as well regarding Tamamo no Mae.
Tamamo once mentioned on her 2nd interlude in FGO where she said that she sealed away her other 9 tails due to cause many troubles arround.
She also stated that not only being able to rival Solomon but can also cause the destruction of the multiverse itself, an apocalypse.
However, a friend of mine once said otherwise. He told me these:
"Somewhere according to Rider Da Vinci she once stated that servants can never destroy planets".
My other friend replied:
"But Tamamo and Altera could probably does the impossibility of a planet destruction".
"Servants which history is not on Earth could also do that".
Though it lacks of evidence, majority of us does agree that it is possible for a servant to reach that point. Archetype Earth herself has the whole Earth on her hand.
Regular servants are not planet busters. That was stated by Da Vinci in Shinjuku. Tamamo with her 9 tails is no longer a regular servant. The same goes for Sefar (Altera's full potential)
This list, makes no sense.
Although, it was made 2 years ago.
It makes no sense why ABBY is at 99 and gilles 89
abigail is nezha + geronimo level. she's not beating gilles lol.
@@guesswho8556 not at fucking all.
Opening a "gate" to a foreign world that is incompatible with humanity, creating distortions within the target's mind and body, a rhizome is born alongside the QliphothWP, the tree of evil. The target "key", Abigail, has her individual consciousness restrained. This is why it is an Anti-Unit Noble Phantasm. Normally, it should be considered an Anti-World Noble Phantasm, possessing a property of endlessness
Her key can literally connect to anything and why she didnt kill us it’s because she isnt used to that ability.
Muramasa below iskandar and vlad? The muramasa alter ego?
Musashi below Iskandar as well?
I guess iskandar can cook the entire losbelt alone
@@nicolascreo5295 Yeah I agree with you, also Idk why Ishtar is below Gilgamesh when she has ability to allow control Gugalanna. So ofc, this is 2 years ago and some Servants has changed and become more powerful than before. As I read in Fate/GO game about Ishtar's Bond a bit and I saw she tried active Gugalanna to revenge on Gilgamesh and Gugalanna went berserk. So, Ishtar got sealed the ability to unable control Gugalanna. This video is kinda not make sense anymore.
Well, i expected that number 1.
Other characters/organisms in fate might be able to destroy civilization, some maybe destroys planets, but that thing eats planets for a snack.
At 3% functionality.... by its own assessment, it's a "scrap machine" or "deflated tire" compared to its glory days
A scrap malfunctioning machine that snacks on planets
Ngl upon thinking a while about it kingu being above enkidu and gil is kinda silly to me
Cuz it was alive gil comparing kingu with alive enkidu
Meanwhile u have both of enkidu's interludes say he evolves with each summon as he is a singular body amassing experience, he even gets kingu's power
And gil gets stronger the longer humanity goes on and his vault increases
The way i see it current enkidu and gil > kingu > enkidu and gil in their heyday alive
Dude trust me
The stray jacket i wear is for the drip nothing else
gil and enkidu get stronger compared to their STAGE 1 SERVANT counterparts under fujimaru, a 2nd rate master*
@@guesswho8556 the logic i follow considering whats said in enkidu's interlude is
He always gets better and everything that goes on with his body gets stored in the throne unlike most if not all other servants
Every enkidu that gets summoned from now (chaldea's for example) will have kingu's stuff too and build upon it
@@enkidu1623 They never surpass their alive counterparts. In SF Gilgamesh is under a 1st rate master and powered by the leylines and Ea is still way weaker than when he was alive.
ALIVE = 100
Stage 1 = 30
"oh, gil gets 3 times stronger in his interlude, that'd mean he beats his alive counterpart." No cunt, he just got a PL of 90
I made up the numbers, but does that make sense?
@@guesswho8556 Well with circumstances itd vary yes
But imagine if current gil and enkidu had the enviorment that was present when they were alive
Like ye idk for gil, but enkidu is indeed said he only gets better
Hes not surpassing pre shamat enkidu ofc
But he should every other past humanoid enkidu
and gil's treasury expanding with human creations indirectly buffs Ea
@@enkidu1623 Better compared to his stage 1 self. Sigurd in his 1st ascension can't even use gram in combat. It doesn't make his final ascension stronger than his alive counterpart
It was the Heroic Spirit who had manifested isolated in time.
Her “it” was overwhelmingly, different.
Different from what she had expected.
Since he was a Heroic Spirit who could be likened to a bear and a dragon, he just had this much finer physique.
He was different from an ideal.
If she had to say it, the male who was expressing an even more sharp expression was fine, and yet…….
No.
No.
No!
Even if he did have the one property of overflowing prana, he was different from what she had thought.
He was just so different, and she was definitely surprised by him……...
And happy.
And aflutter.
And then, she truly―――――fell in love with him at first sight.
He was sincere, proud.
And kind.
That smile of his, shined softly, just like the morning sun.
He was a kind person, who believed in justice, and loved goodness.
And even though he hated conflict, he was stronger than anyone if he whipped out his sword once.
His shining sword, wards off, all of the wicked, the evil in this world.
A prince from a fairy tale?
No.
He was a king.
He, was most definitely the king of old Britain whose way of life was handed down far and wide.
In addition to undoubtedly existing as a Heroic Spirit who was carved onto the throne, he was a hero who had been summoned as a Servant to obey the Magus who was throwing down the gauntlet in this Holy Grail War.
He was the most powerful and most superior――――user of the holy blade of the stars.
He was the king of knights who had clad his body in blue and silver, and who had achieved manifestation through the great magic of Heroic Spirit summoning, and the might of the Holy Grail which had been brought into Tokyo.
The first ranked Servant, Saber.
His true name was Arthur Pendragon.
He was surely, in the past, present and future, her one and only fated one in this world.
In terms of Top Tier servants, which one would be likely the weakest servants among them? The one that "if you beat him you surely must been one"
The top of the top would be Gil/Ozy
Gil, Ozy and Karna are top 3, but Karna is getting nerfed each time he appears in Fate for some reason. weakest Top servant is Jeanne iirc
Jeanne is considered to be weak even by Top servant standards. Cu Chulainn and Gawain weren't top servants, so I'd say that anyone that can beat those 3 should be Top Servant level as well
Karna is imo stronger than both Gil and Ozy. If It weren't for the writers constantly writing out Kavacha because of how broken it is then there's no way Gil or Ozy could beat him.
Keep in mind Kavacha is powerful enough to keep Jinako from getting erased by the fucking Mooncell, EA would already struggle to kill Karna with Kavacha equipped even without its true name being released.
@@gibbygibbstein7858 if the true name of the armor isn't released the armor is fodder. It only reduces 90% damage so if you are 10 times stronger than karna's base durability you can kill him no problem. Cu Alter while POISONED killed Karna with a regular blow, and in Apocrypha they state that Siegfried could chop Karna's head off if he was careless.
The Moon Cell wouldn't be able to kill Jinako because as the Moon it has no authority over the Sun deities. That's haxx, not a power feat for karna.
Karna with the true name release could block Ea, yes, but don't overhype it either.
@@guesswho8556 But that's the thing though, only their nps could do that and I'm not even sure about Ozy's, because outside of their nps neither of them are 10× stronger than Karnas base durability which is already high.
are you gonna make top 150 or 200 tier list?
Hahahaha
Not a chance
@@guesswho8556 🤣
My boy Arthur sitting comfortably in that #2 spot
Grrr you did it, you put Artoria Saber superior to Gil
I will never agree with this point of view but whatever, I thought that the "Mystic Code" team of Excella would be placed higher
Artoria from the Fate Route was stated by Nasu and the Fate/Zero Author to be equally matched with SERIOUS Gilgamesh. If she were under a 1st rate master instead of shirou she'd be stronger. This is a fact.
@@guesswho8556 she was under Kiritsugu in Zero and got clowned on by Gil.
@@vicount3944 Kiritsugu is also ass. He is a bit better than Shirou sure, but still can't have Artoria fight at full strength, also she is missing the biggest thing that matters, AVALON. Nasu already confirmed that Saber Alter can beat Gil if she has a good master so a full power Artoria WITH Avalon bring above Gil is perfectly logical.
@@vicount3944 fatigued after fighting lancelot boosted by Mad Enhancement and an Anti-Dragon sword. Kiritsugu doesn't have enough mana for artoria to go all out either, and she didn't have avalon.
Nasu and the Fate/Zero author were talking about Artoria WITH Avalon during the fate route.
@@danielguardado4574 doesn't matter
Nasu still calls Gil the most powerful Servant
First of all, i appreciate the effort involved to create this with the breadth of characters and lore involved. Whilst i do not believe it is possible to make a linear top 100 as fate is not A>B and B>C then A >C by default - it gives an idea of the tiers by way of segmentation.
1- Arjuna's np charge time:
Im sure we had a discussion about this and here you are saying charlie charged his np before arjuna when the latter did not charge his np at all. If you follow the scene step by step, he only charges it after karna starts to charge his second VS. Before that, there was no indication whatsoever so unless there is proof he was charging his np from the get go when karna used his np the first, i dont agree what you said regarding Arjuna.
2- Orion is too high:
Honestly by feats alone he kinda sucks in general applications bcz even though that 3rd shot was powerful it was a hax move limited to artemis. It would not be as effective against someone else. Plus he needed a divine contruct made for him and a servant as an arrow. On his own as a grand, how will he have access to those? His requirements are a joke and even with everything his feat was only prominent bcz it was a shot solely for artemis. Against someone else it would be as strong as his first two arrows at best. In all honesty i doubt he could even fire those arrows bcz when he was summoned as a grand he ddnt have a divine bow. So yhh he's meh and even 30% achilles had better feats than him if we take their OWN arsenals.
3- MELUSINE > Ivan?
I aint played lb6 but wasnt she comparable to morgan? She could be a lot higher.
4- Achilles is above Rin. If ozy and karna are he should be too. His chariot and his speed alone would let him dodge rins best attack and then blitz her in mere seconds. And lets not forget the absurdity that lb5 gave him which is "i am dead but can still fight". He can pull out a karna bs and just tank rins best move should he be unfortunate to get hit with (which i highly dount) then kill her after her sword had been destroyed.
5- Arjuna alter is an almagation of fused divine spirit. I aint played 5.2 but isnt Romulus also a divine spirit? Even when summoned as a grand i doubt he is ×1000 arjuna. Statements alone are not to be used for that ridiculous powerscaling. Logically speaking, at his peak which was at the start of lb4 Vasavi Shakti couldn't graze him. Same VS which defeated a low level Sefar. I doubt Romulus or Morgan can tank using no defense techniques and come unscathed. Hell with his absurd authorities including that immortality which is absurd, he has the capacity to kill many characters placed above him if they show up in his territory. I doubt wodime's np which is a horde of meteors can harm him at this point. And dont his zeus fight bcz this is a matter of compatibility which favours arjuna.
PS. Karna's 1st and 2nd pic look cool. So does archer Arjuna's 1st qnd 2nd pic. Got the link for all four? I may have differing opinions but gotta hand it to the choices of pics!
First of all, thanks for the support. With so many characters it's impossible for the list to follow "A > B > C therefore A > C" if all we care is about "Who would WIN". You need to look at this list as a "Who is OVERALL Superior" rather than who can beat "EVERY SINGLE character below them". Iskandar can't beat Gigantic Horror, but he is stated to be as powerful as Altera and Karna, and in Fate/Zero they also state that IH rivals Excalibur, or that if Waver hadn't been in danger he may have succeeded killing Artoria with Via Expugnatio before she fired Excalibur. He is overall stronger than everyone else below him.
1. We already discussed it and didn't get to anything. We'll have to agree to disagree.
2. Even without Ortygya Amore Mio, his Aegis Eclypse enhanced Orion Orkos was already so strong it took 2 consecutive blasts from Artemis's NP to block it. Orion wasn't even using his Grand Servant Saint Graph by then, so I don't think Ortygya Amore Mio working only on Artemis means he'd be be way lower if he didn't have Paris' Arrow or a Command Spell boost. Even without Aegis Eclypse he should be comparable to 5 Tailed Koyanskaya since he was supposed to beat her on his own without aiding Chaldea. 5 Tailed Koyan was so strong Musashi said she could blow up the entire Greek LB if she got angry.
3. The statements in LB6 are a mess. Some call Melusine the strongest fairy, whereas others reserve that title for Morgan or Woodwose. Melusine struck Muramasa's core 12 times and didn't kill him, whereas Woodwose blew up his entire upper torso with a single blow in an alternate timeline (they had a vision of what would happen if they fought woodwose without prep). The gap between Woodwose and Fairy Knight Lancelot is massive. Even if we include her Dragon form, she was still one shotted by Percival (who couldn't even tickle Woodwose) and her dragon fire couldn't one shot the Nautilus (which we know Artemis' NP/Zeus' thunderbolts can). Ivan on the other hand was implied by Atalanta to be evenly matched with PHH Divine Spirit Zeus, who was stated to dwarf the other PHH Olympians, and we know Apollo/Ares were equal to PRIME ALIVE Heracles.
4) Rin reacted to the Shadow Giants which could react to Herc, Cu, and La Pucelle. Achilles' superior speed shouldn't be much of an issue. Welt Ende is also SEVERAL TIMES stronger than anything in Achilles' Arsenal, and she can fire it at point blanc right next to her without killing herself.
5) Machine God Zeus is stated to be "ENTIRE ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE" above Arjuna Alter in power, and when he powers up with the Kronos Crown he becomes 1,000+ times stronger. Quirinus' profile states that he is equal to Zeus, and in LB5.2 they establish several times that they are planning to summon a Grand Servant powerful enough to kill Zeus (after having established he shits on Arjuna). Quirinus is also the main reason they defeated Zeus in the first place.
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@@guesswho8556 1: ok, but by strictly going with the flow of the fight, it does not indicate arjuna's np was too slow to keep up. It wont go anywhere so lets leave it at that.
2- Just bcz orion was summoned to fight koyanskaya it does not indicate his powerlevel. His feats are shit and honestly, on his own i doubt he could have access to his divine bow. He is basically featless on his own so to speak. Comparable to achilles 30% at base without showing his grand saint graph. Tbh its kinda stupid bcz as a grand he should be strong from the get go at base yet he felt very underwhelming. He basically needs a forging god, someone's divine contruct, and master support. Without that as i said hes featless and sucks tbh especially at this stage of the list.
3- This one counteracts with point 5. Statements are a mess and many times inconsistent. Thus the ×1000 scaling is inacurate imo. Context and logical assessment matters. Thus what i said in point 5 is valid imo. What Arjuna can tank, morgan and Romulus cant for example. Or that overally he has a good capacity to beat them. Ignoring the statements and just looking at their arsenals, feats and compatibility in 1v1 scenarios. This may sound stupid but as servants arjuna alter has better stats than both of them. Stats dont mean much to you ik but we know how powerful vortigen is and as a servant albeit much weaker his stats reflects that.
4- I just cant see achilles loosing to Rin. Using shadows to scale her and heracles fleeing from it ignoring the compatibility and the context of the scenes make her scaling innacurate. Moreover the Rin's miniature excaliblasts wont touch achilles let alone injure him if made contact. Her strongest move may have a chance to injure his heel but thats a big if consodering achilles has his chariot and his speed to escape the blast. Even if by chance it hits him, will he did immediately? He has insane endurance as shown in lb5 being hit twice by chirons np. One directly to his heel. The secont to his heart. Yet he lived on. Rin has nothing to surmount that. Each beam wears her body down and she has one chance to use her best move which im pretty sure achilles can either karna it or use his shield and call it a game. Lastly you said she can fire at point blank range without killing herself. That means there must be a safe zone even at point blank range. Achilles can just move right next to her and just watch the blast lol. That point was weird to make tbh bcz in the vn she hurls the knife a good few metres away from her so it aint exactly point blank but even if she can achilles can just stand right next to her and watch the blast. Its funny and stupid tbh xD
Thanks for the pic. I'd appreciate the others too!
@@guesswho8556 On another note, you said you were focusing on who is stronger overall. In arthur's case, overally he is not that strong bcz the conditions he needs for like dozens and dozens of characters below him wont be fullfilled. Thus most of them would wipe the floor with him including high tier servants who are not even top 20 like Ozy. If he had that shit on demand then yes overall Arthur would easily be very high.
@@bluemoon9683 2) Yeah on his own he wouldn't have the divine bow, but I'm not ranking the characters in their base forms. If that was the case I wouldn't include fusions, LB amps such as Russian Avicebron, or the Mythological Mystic Code. This is just the strongest version of each character. I
I'd also like to remark that Orion only needed a Command Spell to fire his 3rd NP because he had already been damaged after firing Orion Orkos 2 times.
3) Paremeters here are irrelevant if someone is stated/shown to be stronger. By that logic cursed arm should be stronger than EMIYA or Merlin in a sword fight. Zeus is 1,000+ times stronger when he has the kronos crown, and even without it he was considered the strongest LB villain, surpassing even ARjuna by entire orders of magnitude. Quirinus was stated to be their trump card at taking him down, and when he was summoned Zeus literally went silent and his dialogue was "??????????". He literally went "wtf dude".
4) The shadow Giants have good compatibility with her, yes, but if they were considerably slower herc wouldn't need to run away from 1 of them at max speed. They were also shown catching Cu's foot (the fastest servant in stay night) or killing Gil before he could react. Sure Gil wasn't serious, but still. IN UBW he reacts to a surprise attack from FULL POWER Artoria while he was fighting Shirou, where he wasn't serious either. In Apocrypha they straight up react to Jeanne's EX La Pucelle. Achilles is fast, but not that fast enough to blitz all those characters.
As for Achilles being durable, ok, he did good against the Atlantis Guards that are stated to be fodder to the ones in Olympus that were being one shotted by Caenis and Musashi. He is tanky, but he would survive a blast as strong or SEVERAL TIMES Stronger than Excalibur? Not a chance.
When I said point blanc I was thinking about the regular beams, not welt ende. I mixed them up in the same sentence, but still. She can SPAM excalibur tier nukes at point blanc
There was a monster called Humbaba. We combined our powers to defeat it. I asked him, why did you decide to defeat Humbaba? It wasn’t an order from the gods. And I don’t think it was for the sake of the people of Uruk either.
“It was to protect Uruk though? If we don’t defeat all evil on the Earth, our people will starve to death.”
So why, I asked again. He made the people of Uruk suffer by his tyranny, so why was he worried for them now?
“It’s not so strange. I was born to be a protector of humanity, after all. Building the future of this planet is the king’s duty.” As he said that, his gaze was so far away. So far not even I, who was made in the same way, could see what he was seeing. “There are different kinds of protection. Just guarding things from danger is not protection. There are times when even the north wind is necessary.”
This time, I understood him perfectly. “I see. So you preferred the path you saw here.”
He laughed as if embarrassed. It was a laugh like a cool breeze, one he sometimes laughed as a child.
…I understood why he preferred isolation. It was because the path he had chosen was one he had to walk alone. He said he was protecting a distant future he could see. That was why he had to be alone, hating gods and men. The more he loved the future of humanity, the less he could be involved with anyone. Arbitrator and reaper. The king obtains only the results. There was no way he, who was more than human, could intervene in the glorious process from which such results are born.
Loved the vid! Worth the wait. Is Asvhattaman really not in the top 100? I thought he was way stronger xD
We don't know how strong he is. He is stated to be on par with karna (if not stronger) but we don't know if that applies to CQC only or full arsenal vs Full arsenal. He never used any of his NPs so he doesn't have any feat that would rank him higher than any of these guys.
@@guesswho8556 he did defeat Koyanskaya tho. But I don’t know how many tails she had anymore so idk if it’s a good feat tbh. But isn’t the fact that he was worthy of being Karna’s training partner worth something?
This list seems accurate. The music is great and the images look fantastic. It's a cool video.
I have a couple of questions about this top:
1)Why are Musashi and Yagyuu on this list while servants like Siegfried and Lancelot aren't?
2)How would Okita Alter beat Saber Alter? Why is she that high
3)Same question to Golden huge bear
4)Super Karna is indefinitely stronger than regular Karna since the Arjuna he fought was indefinitely weakened. So why did you put him above Gugalana and Ivan?
1) Musashi and Yagyuu are stronger than Siegfried and Lancelot. It's that simple. Kintoki was shown fighting Berserker Lancelot seemingly even. This same Kintoki is equal to Shuten, who even while buffed couldn't hold a candle to Saber of Empireo. Shuten stated that she would need her ALIVE Body to stand a chance at actually fighting Empireo on equal ground. This is the same Saber of Empireo that was one shotted by Musashi the very first time she used her Noble Phantasm. Yagyuu as a Servant is stronger than Saber of Empireo since he gains access to his NP as well. Musashi was also able to cut off Ivan the Terrible's trunk whereas Adam built with Divine materials couldn't even scratch him. Gawain on the other hand always gets his NP blocked either by Nero or Lancelot. There's just no comparison. Musashi (NP) >>> Saber of Empireo >= ALIVE Shuten >>>> Shuten = Kintoki >=< Berserker Lancelot.
2. Okita Alter is a what if version of Okita that didn't die at a young age from tuberculosis and managed to reach her full potential. If that wasn't enough, she is buffed by the Counter Force. She saves all her strength to power her NP, so she dies right after firing it similar to Arash. We don't have definitive evidence of how she stacks to people from Stay Night. She never fought any of them. It's just my take based on what we know of her.
3. Golden Huge Bear was as strong as Machine God Aphrodite.
4. Before Arjuna Alter lost his authority completely, Lakshmibai expressed uncertainty as to whether super karna could beat him or not. She didn't believe Arjuna had a clear advantage, so that means Super Karna should be comparable to somewhat weakened Arjuna Alter.
@@guesswho8556 Couldn't she only cut Ivan's trunk after he Salieri weakened?
Lancelot and Kintoki fought for an unknown period of time using unknown abilities. How can you use that to compare them? Siegfried would also have a massive edge thanks to his armour.
how strong is machine God Aphrodite without her mind haxx? I don't remember her machine body being all that impressive
how strong was that weakened Arjuna?
@@ranonjyke53 musashi was also weakened due to ivan's emergency prerogative skill.
The fight needed to be interrupted. It doesn't matter whether lancelot had a slight edge or not. The gap between musashi and kintoki is massive.
@@guesswho8556 Which is the bigger nerf then?
If Lancelot didn't use Arondight nor knight of the Lake then he would be a lot weaker. If Kintoki had his madness Enhancement then he would be a lot stronger. Context matters
The servant I really wanted to ask about was Siegfried. He has Balmung, which I doubt these 2 can handle and AoF makes it impossible for Musashi and Yagyuu to even hurt him. How are they stronger than him?
@@ranonjyke53 I don't know how Lancelot getting Arondight is gonna make him stronger than someone that can one shot Saber of Empireo, who Kintoki has no chance at defeating. Lancelot was on par with Artoria in Zero and even after getting Arondight he couldn't one shot her.The increase in power wasn't that big. If you can one shot people that are way way way stronger than kintoki, Lancelot is not gonna pose a problem.
Musashi's and Yagyuu's Noble Phantasms are A+/EX rank respectively. Armor of Fafnir is not gonna block them.
escalibur alone can annihilate 99.99% of the fate characters + 13 seals released
pretty much
Nice list with epic music!
by the way,will you make top200 nasuverse character when fgo part two end?
I doubt it
Reason why I don't watch/read Fate bcoz of this fcking complicated characters.. Some mf says me that Gilgamesh is the strongest.
the people who say Gilgamesh is the strongest haven't seen fate in the first place. Artoria has been stated to be equal to SERIOUS and ALIVE Gilgamesh numerous times by the creator of Fate.
@@guesswho8556 Thnx for telling me bro.😭😭
Is kirstaria really that strong? I knew he had the power to stop rhongo and get a lot of mana from using the universe as a magic circuit, but at the same time without his ability to cast down meteors does he have any ability that lets him confront a servant on the ground? I mean if one of the best close quarters combatant attacked him or a barrage of weapons from fare of Babylon dies he have the ability to survive that besides nuking the opponent before he get closer?
He literally fought servants right in front of him.
Dioscuri in their TRUE GOD forms moving FTL couldn't beat him. No one is coming close to fighting him in CQC before getting nuked by his meteors.
@@myspacebarbrokenevermindif9892 but they never told us how
@@guesswho8556 I meant, what if you stop the meteors with a defensive phantasm, does he have any other abilities that we know of or is he just going to throw another nuke at you from space?
@@M.W.2 well, those that could stop it are ranked above him in the list.
Wait if Oberon and The Alien God tie why aren’t they the same placement?
vortigern has weaknesses that can be exploited, such as his real body being weaker than his NP. The alien god is just that strong without having shown any of her abilities.
-Artemiiis!
His call rang out to the heavens like a lion's roar.
-Am I here right now because I'm a Grand Servant?
Or because I'm the man who shot down a goddess?
...I bet it's both.
I renounce my Grand status so that I might finally shoot down Artemis, the moon goddess!
I won't let you fall for anyone else but me!
Nobody else but me can wield this bow!
Nobody else but me can bring you down!I was summoned here of my own volition,
and I'm aiming my shot at you of my own volition too!
Orion nocks the arrow, but the light of death that Mandricardo held back comes barreling towards him once more.
He simply looks up at it and smiles a fierce,
indomitable smile.
...That's right. You're broken.
You were broken long ago.
You must've hit your limits forever ago.
You must've broken down ages ago.
You've been drifting around the sky by yourself for ten thousand years, without anything to brighten your day.
You could not even conceive of asking for help anymore, all because you're a goddess.
I should have realized it sooner. I was a fool for refusing to do this, all because I didn't want to hurt you.
...And you're a fool too,
for wishing you didn't have to hurt anyone.
I think that's the key difference between you here and you in Proper Human History.
All of you should've come down to Earth, even if it meant you'd end up hurting others or getting hurt yourselves.
-So get ready, Artemis.
Because I'm about to hurt the hell out of you!
He pulls back the string on the bow forged by a god.
He draws back the golden arrow made by transforming a Heroic Spirit's body.
-You've been up there alone for too long, Artemis!
It's time you came down!
The man who renounced his Grand status calls out to the goddess floating high above him.
-...Don't worry. I'll be right here falling with you.
So many heroes gave their lives so he could come this far.
Francis Drake. Mochizuki Chiyome.
Charlotte Corday. Bartholomew Roberts.
Achilles. Hektor. Mandricardo.
Paris. Apollo.
All of their sacrifices were leading up to this moment!
Noble Phantasm...
His third Noble Phantasm is one that shouldn't even exist. It could only be achieved by a Servant renouncing Grand status, wielding a bow forged by a god, with an arrow made from a Heroic Spirit.
An arrow he fires not out of hatred, nor conflict,
nor hostility, nor with the desire to kill...
...with compassion, and love.
-Ortygia Amore Mio!!!
I figured it out.
I figured it out way back then!
You weren't acting rationally when you blew up your terminal and the island she was on.
You were acting emotionally.
You were angry...and jealous.
Things you would never feel if you were just a machine!
Which means these past ten thousand years
must have been unbearable for you!
Did you really think I could stand seeing you
in such constant distress?
The golden light tore through the divine blast and kept sailing on.
Orion's Noble Phantasm raced towards its destination with speed and power unlike anything the world had ever seen.
It was an arrow created solely for Artemis.
An arrow fired out of his love for her.
An arrow more powerful than anything.
An arrow that would ignore all of Artemis's defenses, evade every unfair obstacle in its path, and find its way to her core with unfailing accuracy.
She feels herself falling apart. She was supposed to be indestructible, yet here she is, crumbling to pieces.
The moon goddess falls to ruin not out of sin,
nor out of punishment...but out of love.