I'm positive that after the Doctor's deadly game of 'the floor is lava' was first broadcast, young fans up and down the country tried to imitate their hero, probably wrecking half the house in the process! It's the first Cyberman story since The Invasion not counting the Scope specimen seen in Carnival Of Monsters and while it's not the silver giants' greatest hour, it *is* the first time we see a Cyber Leader (designated by black handlebars).
#3 was my fav classic Doctor, and it was so disappointing he never got to face off against the Cybermen during his reign, #3 of course got many dalek stories
It was between the broadcast of these two episodes that William Hartnell sadly died at the age of 67. This was also the very first Doctor Who story released on video by the BBC in October 1983.
I like Harry, I always thought it was a pity that the actor Ian Marter passed away before the NewWho era. I would have loved to see him make an appearance in the Sarah Jane Adventures.
Barring two cameo appearances in The War Games and Carnival of Monsters, this is the first time the Cybermen have appeared since 21 December 1968. This was 19 April 1975, so it was *six and a half years* since they last cropped up in any major role.
Last Cyberman story was The Invasion including the villain Tobias Vaughan played by Kevin Stoney. He is under the mask as the elderly Vogan politician Tyrum. Also as the coughing Magrik is Michael Wisher fresh from playing Davros in Genesis. I love this story and some great location work at Wookey Hole.
Yes indeed, though he hasn't played Davros yet... they showed the stories in a different order to how they recorded them, mainly to have the two Nerva/Ark-set stories recorded one after the other...
The caves here were also used as a filming location 30 years later in David Tennant’s first story, “The Christmas Invasion,” for the interior of the Sycorax ship.
When we used to visit Wookey Hole they had a sign with Cybermen painted on it in the shop, and also sold Target books. Later on they had some of the Tussaud's waxworks there, including the Doctor Who 1980/81 ones.
Fun fact about the Gallifreyan symbol seen in Voga. The symbol was originally created as the Vogan symbol, but was later used for Gallifrey, and it has since been retconned that the Vogans were affiliated with the Time Lords.
I love that this story takes place in a same location at a different time. Gives more world building. Also the fact that the hiatus for the Cybermen makes for a more impactful reintroduction. I would love a story to be set at the height of the Cyber Wars rather than the aftermath. It's been overused now
@Nicholas Mykita Did not know was major/only reason 3 never met them (and before someone says that both 3 and the cybermen appear in same scene in "5 doctors" they neither interact nor appear in shot at same time)🎩
This was the first time the cybermen voices were provided by the actors themselves inside the costumes. Also This particular cyberman helmet design with the gun on top was seen again in 'Dalek' with the 9th doctor. This shows that classic who didn't depend on the big popular villains to be good, The cybermen at this point had not been seen in 5 seasons! Same with the daleks from troughton to pertwee
William Hartnell died between episodes one and two of this story. Magrik was played by Michael Wisher who played Davros in the last story. The Vogan's symbol would later be used as the Seal of Rassilon.
It always struck me as oddly poignant that the First Doctor dies in a Cybermen story, and Hartnell himself dies during the broadcast of a Cybermen story.
The original name for the planet of gold was going to be Vega - presumably a play on Las Vegas. However, that would have resulted in the inhabitants being Vegans, which perhaps isn't as intimidating as it's supposed to be.
I love how joyful Jess gets whenever she sees anything to do with Cybermen. :) The break clearly did a lot of good because it seems like you're having tons of fun watching this story. I loved "the shenanigans music" and "Vogue-a".
The human villain in this story has a really great sneer. Before the lost episodes of Tomb of the Cybermen were rediscovered in the 90's, this was the earliest Cyberman story to survive in it's entirety. The Professor's hairbrush gadget was originally a prop in the Bond film Live and Let Die.
Love Sarah Jane and Harry as companions. I was very happy, when Tom Baker's book Scratchman came out, that they were the Doctors companions in the book. I shouldn't have been surprised as Baker claims they were his favorite castmates.
The story stands out in dr who history Because the location shots had problems filming Elizabeth sladen nearly had a serious accident for one and the caves are supposed to be cursed by witch
The actor who plays Kellman is great. He was in Journey To The Far Side of The Sun, a really cool movie by Gerry Anderson. Nicholas Courtney (The Brigadier) has a cameo in it as a medical officer 🙂
This story isn't well regarded these days but I loved it back in '75. A great, straightforward adventure, well paced, with some brilliant dialogue (especially in the Sarah/Harry scenes). It's fun.
This is the first Cyberman story since The Invasion back in season 6 ( though they also had a minor role in The War Games at the end of that season.) Tyrum in this story is played by Kevin Stoney, who played Mavic Chen in The Daleks' Master Plan and also Tobias Vaughn in The Invasion.
'Genesis of the Daleks' may have been turned into a commercially available vinyl, but 'Revenge of the Cybermen' was the first to appear on a video cassette. This was apparently due to fan demand, although the identity of the fan in question has never been revealed. It's an odd decision. While the turntable version of 'Genesis...' excises the sub-plot about the Time Ring in order to make it self-contained, the only editing performed on 'Revenge...' was to remove the titles, end credits and recaps; turning it into a feature-length production. Thus, part one is littered with references to things the less knowledgeable would have no idea about, unless they bought a reference book on the subject. It's also very drawn out. But at least we have the Cybermen, for the first time since 1968; now sporting flares on their trousers AND their heads.
Surprise! First Cyberman story since the last year of the 2nd Doctor. It's tough following "Genesis . . .", but I also like how they're reusing the Ark in Space set. Your Vogue hands are the best thing to ever happen to the Vogans! LOL!!
Harry and Sarah did have chemistry. I remember that "Harry" (along with "Alistair") was what Sarah almost named Luke. And, in "Death of the Doctor," when Sarah said that she had loved Harry, who had done lifesaving work for several people.
nearly all of the guest cast in this story have or will feature in future doctor who stories, the only exception being Jeremy Wilkins who plays Kellmen
I really enjoy this story. IMHO, the best classic Cybermen story is still yet to come (won't say when 😁) but I love how this story didn't try to hide the main threat since they're in the f@#&in title! 4 realized almost right away "Cybermen!"
The story's not the greatest but these are still my favourite looking Cybermen. The chunky design makes them look more physically powerful and I love the helmet guns.
Not a bad story by any means but not particularly a fan fave...it has it's moments though. Harry channeling his inner Goldmember on Voga and comparing Sarah-Jane's ankles to a Carthorse's fetlocks...the rotter...😂 It has a fantastic cast with many, many Who favourites. I always enjoy this story and I think it was a great idea to revisit Nerva at a time before it became the Ark. Clearly it was a budgetary decision but even so, I think it worked really well. Thanks for yet another fun reaction, Jess and for your impromptu 'vogueing' That was superb❤👍
When I was about 8 or 9 I saw this and thought it was great. Everyone at school talked about the Cybermen. It was only years later that I read that "fans hated it" or the usual crap. I am happy to say it might be the weakest of the season. This was also one of the first VHS tapes you could buy and maybe that led to the reputation dip.
In a season which has featured scientific fascists posing nuclear war, body horror, torture, eugenics, scientific fascists (again!) - this story feels a little bit adrift of the main thoroughfare. Much of that is down to the change in production team. In an effort to smooth the transition from one Doctor to the next, Barry Letts had brought in Cybermen co-creator Gerry Davis to produce his first script for them since the 1960s. But just as with Terry Nation, Davis hadn't really moved with the times. His script owed more to the Wheel in Space (if it was a casino) and the regular cast evoked the 2nd Doctor, Jamie and Zoe, rather than their mid-1970s equivalent. Robert Holmes re-wrote it but it's one of his few misses and I think you detect just how divorced the Hinchcliffe/Holmes axis were from the idea of bringing back an old monster just for the hell of it.
I know Revenge of the Cybermen has its fans, but unfortunately, I am just not one of them and having this come right after Genesis of the Daleks really doesn't do this one any favours at all. There is some impressive location footage to be found and Part One isn't that bad, but the Vogans are dull, Carey Blyton's music still grates on me, the plot is by-the-numbers, and they literally do nothing that's new, fresh, or exciting with one of the best monsters in Doctor Who history. The Cybermen are incredibly lacklustre, coupled with the worst Cyber-voices, and the Cyber-Leader especially being far too emotive. Not the worst Cyberman story, but it comes close.
I do say this is not the best of Cybermen stories in the history of classic Doctor Who. Jeremy Wilkin who plays the human villain Kellman voiced Virgil Tracy in season 2 of Thunderbirds.
Probably Kevin Stoney's weakest performance, he was better off as Vaugh and Chen. But the guy from Seeds of Death is back and did they have to make the Cybermats that big?
Shame the cybermen returned in one of their weakest stories and the turkey of this season such a shame and low point to the end of the 4th doctors first season
I disagree with everyone entirely all the Tom Baker's are great and never disappoint both the Hinchcliffe and Williams era i love both the serious and comedy sides to Tom's era thats what makes his Doctor so unique.
I'm positive that after the Doctor's deadly game of 'the floor is lava' was first broadcast, young fans up and down the country tried to imitate their hero, probably wrecking half the house in the process!
It's the first Cyberman story since The Invasion not counting the Scope specimen seen in Carnival Of Monsters and while it's not the silver giants' greatest hour, it *is* the first time we see a Cyber Leader (designated by black handlebars).
Also not counting the cavalcade of monsters at the end of The War Games.
#3 was my fav classic Doctor, and it was so disappointing he never got to face off against the Cybermen during his reign, #3 of course got many dalek stories
I can vouch for a brief mid-1975 craze for "the floor is lava".
Excellent!
It was between the broadcast of these two episodes that William Hartnell sadly died at the age of 67. This was also the very first Doctor Who story released on video by the BBC in October 1983.
weird how notable this story is in dr who history considering how very "ok" it is
@@resiseven7407 I love it. Always have.
I like Harry, I always thought it was a pity that the actor Ian Marter passed away before the NewWho era. I would have loved to see him make an appearance in the Sarah Jane Adventures.
"Who's the homicidal maniac?" Ha! Not seen this episode in years, that line killed me. :D
I know this story isn't particularly popular with fans, but you can't deny there are some really great lines during these episodes
Barring two cameo appearances in The War Games and Carnival of Monsters, this is the first time the Cybermen have appeared since 21 December 1968. This was 19 April 1975, so it was *six and a half years* since they last cropped up in any major role.
Last Cyberman story was The Invasion including the villain Tobias Vaughan played by Kevin Stoney. He is under the mask as the elderly Vogan politician Tyrum. Also as the coughing Magrik is Michael Wisher fresh from playing Davros in Genesis. I love this story and some great location work at Wookey Hole.
Yes indeed, though he hasn't played Davros yet... they showed the stories in a different order to how they recorded them, mainly to have the two Nerva/Ark-set stories recorded one after the other...
Always thought it was a waste of such an expressive face to put Stoney in a full mask, you still get that great voice though.
The caves here were also used as a filming location 30 years later in David Tennant’s first story, “The Christmas Invasion,” for the interior of the Sycorax ship.
i had no idea stoney played tyrum!
And Vorus is played by David Collings in his first appearance in Doctor Who.
This story isn't remembered too fondly but I grew up near the caves they used for filming, so in my childhood it was a very famous story.
When we used to visit Wookey Hole they had a sign with Cybermen painted on it in the shop, and also sold Target books. Later on they had some of the Tussaud's waxworks there, including the Doctor Who 1980/81 ones.
I've been to Wookey hole myself and they remind everyone Dr Who was filmed there I recommend anyone to visit
Fun fact about the Gallifreyan symbol seen in Voga. The symbol was originally created as the Vogan symbol, but was later used for Gallifrey, and it has since been retconned that the Vogans were affiliated with the Time Lords.
It was a long time ago. The previous Cybermen story was _The Invasion_ in season 6. There was no cybermen story in the Jon Pertwee era.
I love that this story takes place in a same location at a different time. Gives more world building.
Also the fact that the hiatus for the Cybermen makes for a more impactful reintroduction.
I would love a story to be set at the height of the Cyber Wars rather than the aftermath. It's been overused now
The big return of the cybermen since they last appeared in The Invasion. Shame Pertwee never got a story with the Cybermen in his era.
@Nicholas Mykita Did not know was major/only reason 3 never met them (and before someone says that both 3 and the cybermen appear in same scene in "5 doctors" they neither interact nor appear in shot at same time)🎩
This was the first time the cybermen voices were provided by the actors themselves inside the costumes. Also This particular cyberman helmet design with the gun on top was seen again in 'Dalek' with the 9th doctor. This shows that classic who didn't depend on the big popular villains to be good, The cybermen at this point had not been seen in 5 seasons! Same with the daleks from troughton to pertwee
I think the last cyberman story was The Invasion with The 2nd Doctor, Jamie and Zoe, by the way I love your nails
The last appearance was a brief cameo in Carnival of Monsters.
@@dvader518 Doesn't count as a Cyberman story.
William Hartnell died between episodes one and two of this story.
Magrik was played by Michael Wisher who played Davros in the last story.
The Vogan's symbol would later be used as the Seal of Rassilon.
It always struck me as oddly poignant that the First Doctor dies in a Cybermen story, and Hartnell himself dies during the broadcast of a Cybermen story.
The original name for the planet of gold was going to be Vega - presumably a play on Las Vegas. However, that would have resulted in the inhabitants being Vegans, which perhaps isn't as intimidating as it's supposed to be.
At least these Vogans didn’t read terrible poetry
Besides we already had a species called Vegans in last seasons The Monster of Peladons.
@@TheYoungDoctor Weren't they the Vega Nexons, rather than Vegans?
@@andrewbowman4611 Vega Nexos was the name of one the characters.
@@TheYoungDoctor True, but it wouldn't be the first time a character shared its with its planet. King Peladon, for example.
I love this episode despite what people think of it
I love how joyful Jess gets whenever she sees anything to do with Cybermen. :)
The break clearly did a lot of good because it seems like you're having tons of fun watching this story. I loved "the shenanigans music" and "Vogue-a".
The human villain in this story has a really great sneer. Before the lost episodes of Tomb of the Cybermen were rediscovered in the 90's, this was the earliest Cyberman story to survive in it's entirety. The Professor's hairbrush gadget was originally a prop in the Bond film Live and Let Die.
Love Sarah Jane and Harry as companions. I was very happy, when Tom Baker's book Scratchman came out, that they were the Doctors companions in the book. I shouldn't have been surprised as Baker claims they were his favorite castmates.
The story stands out in dr who history
Because the location shots had problems filming
Elizabeth sladen nearly had a serious accident for one and the caves are supposed to be cursed by witch
The actor who plays Kellman is great. He was in Journey To The Far Side of The Sun, a really cool movie by Gerry Anderson. Nicholas Courtney (The Brigadier) has a cameo in it as a medical officer 🙂
Plus he was in the first episode of Blake'7!!!
@@ezragoldstein1870 ah I've not seen that. It's on my watchlist though 🙃
Never thought I'd see somebody stan for Kellman! Fun reaction Jess
“My colleague is a Doctor of Medicine, and I'm a Doctor of Many Things.”🤣
Russell T Davies re-used the notion of returning to a space station at different points in its history in Christopher Eccleston's season.
This story isn't well regarded these days but I loved it back in '75. A great, straightforward adventure, well paced, with some brilliant dialogue (especially in the Sarah/Harry scenes). It's fun.
This is the first Cyberman story since The Invasion back in season 6 ( though they also had a minor role in The War Games at the end of that season.)
Tyrum in this story is played by Kevin Stoney, who played Mavic Chen in The Daleks' Master Plan and also Tobias Vaughn in The Invasion.
'Genesis of the Daleks' may have been turned into a commercially available vinyl, but 'Revenge of the Cybermen' was the first to appear on a video cassette. This was apparently due to fan demand, although the identity of the fan in question has never been revealed. It's an odd decision. While the turntable version of 'Genesis...' excises the sub-plot about the Time Ring in order to make it self-contained, the only editing performed on 'Revenge...' was to remove the titles, end credits and recaps; turning it into a feature-length production. Thus, part one is littered with references to things the less knowledgeable would have no idea about, unless they bought a reference book on the subject. It's also very drawn out. But at least we have the Cybermen, for the first time since 1968; now sporting flares on their trousers AND their heads.
Great post 👏🏻
I might be wrong but i think this is the first Cyberman story to establish that Gold is deadly to the Cybermen.
True
(What a Spandau Ballet;)
Surprise! First Cyberman story since the last year of the 2nd Doctor. It's tough following "Genesis . . .", but I also like how they're reusing the Ark in Space set. Your Vogue hands are the best thing to ever happen to the Vogans! LOL!!
I love the loose story arc surrounding Nerva during this season. Also veteran Who actors Michael Wisher and David Collings appear as Vogans.
Harry and Sarah did have chemistry. I remember that "Harry" (along with "Alistair") was what Sarah almost named Luke. And, in "Death of the Doctor," when Sarah said that she had loved Harry, who had done lifesaving work for several people.
"The beacon is ours". A good final line for a Classic Who cliffhanger.
nearly all of the guest cast in this story have or will feature in future doctor who stories, the only exception being Jeremy Wilkins who plays Kellmen
He's very good in the first episode of Blakes 7 made a couple of years later... and The New Avengers (twice!)
I really enjoy this story. IMHO, the best classic Cybermen story is still yet to come (won't say when 😁) but I love how this story didn't try to hide the main threat since they're in the f@#&in title! 4 realized almost right away "Cybermen!"
The Doctor throwing gold dust over a Cybermat is similar to throwing contents of a fire extinguisher over a burning items.
The tunnels were filmed at Chedder Gorge, a great place to visit if you ever come over to the UK. X
Your reaction when the episode title came on screen was great, made me so happy and excited. 😄
William hartnell died between the airing of these episodes
As the doctor,he died With cybermen
As an actor,he died With cybermen
Still interesting that the 3rd Doctor never met the Cybermen. And this is one of my favorites...!
I believe the Pertwee era producer and script editor (Barry Letts and Terrance Dicks) didn't care for the Cybermen
Technically, Jon's Doctor did but it wasn't until The Five Doctors with Sarah Jane.
First time seeing the cybermen in colour since then never fought the 3rd doctor.
Just one on the MiniScope screen (blink and you'll miss it) in Carnival of Monsters...
The story's not the greatest but these are still my favourite looking Cybermen. The chunky design makes them look more physically powerful and I love the helmet guns.
Not a bad story by any means but not particularly a fan fave...it has it's moments though. Harry channeling his inner Goldmember on Voga and comparing Sarah-Jane's ankles to a Carthorse's fetlocks...the rotter...😂
It has a fantastic cast with many, many Who favourites.
I always enjoy this story and I think it was a great idea to revisit Nerva at a time before it became the Ark.
Clearly it was a budgetary decision but even so, I think it worked really well.
Thanks for yet another fun reaction, Jess and for your impromptu 'vogueing' That was superb❤👍
Voga - Yoga to the music of Madonna, "Strike a pose!"
I read somewhere that the radio hairbrush is the same one used by Roger Moore in 007's "Live and let die"
One of the Vogans' little boats very nearly killed Liz Sladen during filming.
When I was about 8 or 9 I saw this and thought it was great. Everyone at school talked about the Cybermen.
It was only years later that I read that "fans hated it" or the usual crap. I am happy to say it might be the weakest of the season.
This was also one of the first VHS tapes you could buy and maybe that led to the reputation dip.
At this point the Doctor really should have "How long before we find a corpse?" wagers
Strike a pose, there's nothing to it. Voga.
C’mon…Voga…let your virus go with the flow 🎵🎶
They have done an audio story where the doctor revisits this space station,
The lead Cyberman is the original Dark Helmet !! :)
The first Dr Who VHS tape I had....way back when!
It is the first Cybermen story since The Invasion in Season 6.
Four has the most maniacal grin of all the Doctor's incarnations
The Doctor and his friends return to the Ark to recover the Tardis but discover that things have changed.
First appearance of The Cybermen in 7 years last seen in The Invasion with the 2nd Doctor
The last cyberman story was The Invasion with The Second Doctor, Jamie and Zoe this is the Cybermen's first appearance in 7 years.
This reaction was excellent
With 3 classic recurring aliens in 3 successive stories, ain't it whetting your appetite for classic aliens with this Doctor?
The Doctor races to save Sarah's life when she becomes the latest victim of a snake-like creature called a Cybermat.
'Come on, VOGA !' 🤣
I’m just glad she didn’t hear yoga 😂😂😂
I know it wasn't a great Cybermen story but I kinda enjoyed it
There were those stories in season 1 of the new series that was a nod to these.
low budget 1975 effects SUCK but story characters and TARDIS TEAM absolute GOLD
In a season which has featured scientific fascists posing nuclear war, body horror, torture, eugenics, scientific fascists (again!) - this story feels a little bit adrift of the main thoroughfare. Much of that is down to the change in production team. In an effort to smooth the transition from one Doctor to the next, Barry Letts had brought in Cybermen co-creator Gerry Davis to produce his first script for them since the 1960s. But just as with Terry Nation, Davis hadn't really moved with the times. His script owed more to the Wheel in Space (if it was a casino) and the regular cast evoked the 2nd Doctor, Jamie and Zoe, rather than their mid-1970s equivalent. Robert Holmes re-wrote it but it's one of his few misses and I think you detect just how divorced the Hinchcliffe/Holmes axis were from the idea of bringing back an old monster just for the hell of it.
It was that long ago....
I know Revenge of the Cybermen has its fans, but unfortunately, I am just not one of them and having this come right after Genesis of the Daleks really doesn't do this one any favours at all. There is some impressive location footage to be found and Part One isn't that bad, but the Vogans are dull, Carey Blyton's music still grates on me, the plot is by-the-numbers, and they literally do nothing that's new, fresh, or exciting with one of the best monsters in Doctor Who history. The Cybermen are incredibly lacklustre, coupled with the worst Cyber-voices, and the Cyber-Leader especially being far too emotive. Not the worst Cyberman story, but it comes close.
The worst being silver nemesis?
The Cybermen have always creeped me out. At least the Daleks just want to kill you, they don't want you to *join*. And God those voices...
I do say this is not the best of Cybermen stories in the history of classic Doctor Who. Jeremy Wilkin who plays the human villain Kellman voiced Virgil Tracy in season 2 of Thunderbirds.
Not my favorite cybermen story I must say
Probably Kevin Stoney's weakest performance, he was better off as Vaugh and Chen. But the guy from Seeds of Death is back and did they have to make the Cybermats that big?
@@stickytapenrust6869 I think Fadi is referring to Kevin Stoney playing Tyrum the Vogan.
Shame the cybermen returned in one of their weakest stories and the turkey of this season such a shame and low point to the end of the 4th doctors first season
It’s not that bad
A low point in season 12 is still better than the high point of many lesser seasons.
@@Babu19933 true but worst this season but much better than 4ths Last three seasons
It wasn't intended to end the season. The next story was and it was held over as the show was moved to autumn.
First and last Baker Seasons are clunkers really the only dr with a clear run for seasons was Jon Pertwee
In your opinion.
Nah, those are both great. It's Tom's middle seasons that are lacking.
Tom’s first is the most uneven. We have Robot and Revenge which are potboilers then Ark, Experiment and Genesis which are solid serials.
@@Mrazmatmahmood the Graham Williams years
I disagree with everyone entirely all the Tom Baker's are great and never disappoint both the Hinchcliffe and Williams era i love both the serious and comedy sides to Tom's era thats what makes his Doctor so unique.