Are the Tories 'finished' as a political force? | LBC analysis

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  • After the Tories suffered a huge defeat in the General Election, Ali Miraj considers whether they are 'finished as a political force'?
    Some of the Conservatives' biggest names - including former PM Liz Truss and a record number of Cabinet members - lost their seats as Labour stormed to a historic landslide win.
    Liz Truss lost her seat in the biggest ever swing in history, while the Cabinet ministers who fell were Jacob Rees-Mogg Grant Shapps, Penny Mordaunt and Gillian Keegan.
    However, Ali believes that despite the results, the Tory Party can still recover.
    'The Labour Party was written off in 2019 and look what happened with Keir Starmer,' he stresses.
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Komentáře • 222

  • @marcchrys
    @marcchrys Před 8 dny +178

    I'm a socialist, but even I feel nostalgic for the days when there were some decent One Nation Tories (Clarke, Heseltine). I didn't agree with their policies but at least they had a sense of responsibility, duty and public service. The recent bunch have displayed nothing but greed, self interest and xenophobia.

    • @chrisbowen7648
      @chrisbowen7648 Před 8 dny +18

      Yeah... there was a feeling that everyone was broadly pulling in a similar direction... albeit a bit to the left or right

    • @benlowe1701
      @benlowe1701 Před 8 dny +21

      I like smart people who disagree with me. When we agree on the problems, and argue how to solve them. Not which minorities are worth keeping alive.

    • @darlik1
      @darlik1 Před 8 dny +6

      I remember demonstrating against Heath many years ago. Didn't like him but compared to the clowns that are around now he was alright.
      I gave up, became a Thatcher refugee and moved out 😁🇸🇪🇪🇺.

    • @dannyquinn9128
      @dannyquinn9128 Před 8 dny +2

      I've been saying this for years. Where are the people that could be described as "political heavyweights"?
      Regardless of whether you agree with their politics, we need the William Hagues, Harriet Harmans, John Prescotts in the house.
      I haven't even heard of half of the currently sitting MPs.

    • @chrispalmer7893
      @chrispalmer7893 Před 8 dny +3

      @@dannyquinn9128 Some of those heavyweights you named didn't always seem like heavyweights at the time. We're in a very similar position to 1997. People had heard of Brown, Jack Straw and John Prescott, but most of the new cabinet were unfamiliar names. Harman was - perhaps unfailrly - seen as a lightweight, her reputation has improved over time.
      What I'm focusing on is that the first time in 14 years I've been looking at the names of the Cabinet following a change without an exhausting sense of dread about which horrendous incompetents are going to be in there...

  • @lordbiro
    @lordbiro Před 8 dny +98

    At last !! A brexit benefit!! It brought down the Tories 😂🎉

  • @christopherbradley7149
    @christopherbradley7149 Před 8 dny +73

    He still doesn’t get it.
    It’s not that “they didn’t deliver”.
    It’s not that “It didn’t do what it said in the tin”.
    It wasn’t that it wasn’t “left” or “right” enough.
    It’s that they have broken this country piece by piece. Cut services constantly, telling us it’s in our best interest. Telling us that if we just hang in a little longer, it’ll all be worth it.
    But we lost those services and have NOTHING in return. Many of them and their friends got very, very rich. There has been scandal after scandal. Unpunished crime after unfinished crime.
    It has nothing to do with “branding”. They are crooks, and even though it will not repair the damage they have done, I am glad they are gone.

    • @josephinebrevig8748
      @josephinebrevig8748 Před 7 dny +4

      You'vs summed it up beautifully

    • @Khalkara
      @Khalkara Před 7 dny +2

      But it was that it was right wing governance. This is what it inevitably always leads to: People suffering needlessly.

    • @elskernorge0517
      @elskernorge0517 Před 6 dny

      @@christopherbradley7149 There are people who face a constant struggle. It’s often because of their family situation, poor education and an expectation that they will have less than others. The reasons are often complex. Many are weighed down by their circumstances and can’t find a way out. A government has a duty to protect the vulnerable. The Tories have sneered at and derided the less fortunate. Every service provided by the State has declined.
      They have also not dealt with some who have no intention of working. Those unable to because of illness and/or injury have been neglected.
      It is time we had a more just and equal society. I believe the biggest issue facing this country is this ridiculous class system.

  • @JohnRussell-y3m
    @JohnRussell-y3m Před 8 dny +87

    They must first show some humility and accept why they lost.
    At the moment they are too busy insulting the voters for not realising how clever they are ..

    • @LondonPower
      @LondonPower Před 8 dny +1

      They didnt lost man they winning for 14 years they are winners! People lost everything

    • @ArtyFactual_Intelligence
      @ArtyFactual_Intelligence Před 8 dny +2

      @@LondonPower And none of them leave office poorer, but the rest of us....????

    • @annishilcock4587
      @annishilcock4587 Před 8 dny +1

      @@LondonPower Do you mean they didn't Lose? man And for you a loser is a winner? And the people who lost everything are the people who voted them out? Not much power in those thoughts, man

    • @LondonPower
      @LondonPower Před 8 dny +1

      @@annishilcock4587 They never lose even if it looks like they are. Those who are involved in politics are only winners! Politics in Great Britain is the 6th largest treasury in the world

    • @ru76224
      @ru76224 Před 8 dny +1

      You'd have to look at who's remaining in the Conservatives.. Cruella Braverman lost a discussion/debate with a 22 year old, and she's there best bet at the moment

  • @andrewf7754
    @andrewf7754 Před 8 dny +39

    With the likes of Suella Braverman saying "we must listen to the electorate" on the day of her near personal defeat, and then spouting her usual vitriol as soon as her Rwanda project is scrapped - the conservatives have no chance.

    • @HellBot-gi5si
      @HellBot-gi5si Před 7 dny

      Boris Johnson gutted the party of all the Tories that could have rebuilt the party. It be over ten years before it gets back on it feet again.

  • @FoghornLeghorny
    @FoghornLeghorny Před 8 dny +37

    Is Braverman even capable of saying anything not twisted with hate?

  • @MichaelSmith-ns8ow
    @MichaelSmith-ns8ow Před 8 dny +24

    The Tories are done.

  • @pplesandoranges
    @pplesandoranges Před 8 dny +29

    How would they reinvent themselves? Labour had the room to the right to move back to the electable centre. The Tories willingly abandoned that fertile ground from 2015 onwards, particularly since 2019. But there's no room to the right since Reform are there already.

    • @ArtyFactual_Intelligence
      @ArtyFactual_Intelligence Před 8 dny +5

      I've got a Shed out back they can move into.

    • @camo68
      @camo68 Před 7 dny

      And REFORM IS THE ONLY CHOICE 🇬🇧

    • @HellBot-gi5si
      @HellBot-gi5si Před 7 dny

      Boris Johnson gutted the party. People Rory Steward and others were all kicked out of the Tory party. There is no one left that could rebuild the party Suella Braverman is empty shirt. She's got no the charisma and her thinking is simplistic and dumb.

    • @user-ee1zb1fn3y
      @user-ee1zb1fn3y Před 7 dny +2

      Wow. A reasonable analysis on an LBC comments page. It can happen.

  • @muirislandjim453
    @muirislandjim453 Před 8 dny +17

    Imagine how conditioned & brainwashed you must have been to have voted Conservative lol 💀

  • @user-ol6rd7pl5t
    @user-ol6rd7pl5t Před 8 dny +16

    First they'd have to admit to making mistakes, I can't see that happening & they've run out of scapegoats.

    • @JCxWARZ1
      @JCxWARZ1 Před 8 dny +2

      Think they need fresh faces and ideas everywhere, Everyone from BJ’s or Sunaks previous government need to go, and they need to get rid of the large stigma that their leaders are self serving and corrupt e.g party first and country second (which is true ) incredibly difficult years ahead, (green supporter)

  • @annishilcock4587
    @annishilcock4587 Před 8 dny +20

    The freedom from the EU? The freedom to do what? Ensure our finacial decline?

  • @paulaa.8586
    @paulaa.8586 Před 8 dny +11

    Marcus Fish has no answers - what a petulant wally

  • @Human_Herbivore
    @Human_Herbivore Před 8 dny +9

    The tory party is completely void of principles.

  • @JelMain
    @JelMain Před 8 dny +16

    They're done. Responding to trust issues in the way they have shows this leopard cannot change it's spots.

  • @ShaneDGri
    @ShaneDGri Před 8 dny +10

    Its not a matter whether the Tories can reinvent themselves. More a question if their client media can convince the public they have changed.

  • @Steviebond2
    @Steviebond2 Před 8 dny +7

    Are they finished? They will be, once we get electoral reform.

  • @acleronacleron7104
    @acleronacleron7104 Před 8 dny +8

    How can they reinvent themselves as honest and competent?

  • @johnmason5626
    @johnmason5626 Před 8 dny +29

    He appears to be saying that the Tories have not found any Brexit benefits. We what a surprise. He would have more luck finding unicorns that Brexit benefits.

    • @philholbrook7174
      @philholbrook7174 Před 8 dny

      🥱

    • @chrisj320ac3
      @chrisj320ac3 Před 8 dny +5

      @philholbrook7174 yeah, it must be exhausting to get trounced so completely. 🙆‍♂️

    • @mattadders9819
      @mattadders9819 Před 8 dny

      Brexit was strangled at birth by the establishment and the civil service as it wasn’t in their globalist masters interest

    • @Jonnyonthespot123
      @Jonnyonthespot123 Před 8 dny +3

      ​@@philholbrook7174 Why are you yawning? You should be furious! You clearly voted to leave the EU and yet nobody can tell us how we benefitted! You were the most invested, you should feel the most betrayed.

    • @eddiecalderone
      @eddiecalderone Před 7 dny

      @@Jonnyonthespot123
      Take in consideration that we left a bit more than 4 and a half years ago, and immediately had a global pandemic. The U.K. saved over £96 billion because if we were in the eu that would have been our contribution to the eu covid recovery budget.

  • @hg82met
    @hg82met Před 8 dny +6

    Finished? Don't get our hopes up.

  • @Human_Herbivore
    @Human_Herbivore Před 8 dny +4

    Braverman and her like are just being tories, blaming everyone else for their own utter failure to govern.

  • @canny_linguist
    @canny_linguist Před 8 dny +4

    I think it's time for a reverse Section 28 where nobody is allowed to mention the Conservative Party in schools 😅

    • @Jonnyonthespot123
      @Jonnyonthespot123 Před 8 dny +2

      As someone who is 33 I wasn't told by my parents or by school how awful Thatcher was. We need Conservatives taught in schools so children know never to ever give them their vote ever again!

  • @SamMase
    @SamMase Před 7 dny +6

    Why cant these torys just accept brexit and boris is what destroyed them

    • @user-qq2vq4fv8b
      @user-qq2vq4fv8b Před 6 dny

      They will never own it. Many are doubling down and going
      back for seconds , with Farage . They still refuse to accept that they were deceived.

  • @philbryant4154
    @philbryant4154 Před 8 dny +9

    I've said for a while that we need a new opposition, the Tories need to dissappear and replaced with credible challengers

  • @jackdobson3156
    @jackdobson3156 Před 8 dny +7

    They could potentially, but as i see it now ; they are cooked.
    Look at how Truss, Braverman have acted. So indignant.

  • @backgammonbacon
    @backgammonbacon Před 8 dny +8

    Just throwing a tantrum, safe to ignore this one.

  • @problemsolverthinktank859

    And they got turfed out of office for turfing out the centre Tories

    • @ArtyFactual_Intelligence
      @ArtyFactual_Intelligence Před 8 dny +3

      Too much Turf Accountancy

    • @user-ee1zb1fn3y
      @user-ee1zb1fn3y Před 7 dny

      They filled the party with lefties. That was Cameron's entire program. He calls himself the heir to Blair. Then the Tories carried out an open borders high tax and spend program beyond Blair's wildest dreams. Then half the conservative voters had enough and voted for an actual conservative party in Reform. Now the Tories say they lost because they were too 'rightwing'. It's hilarious.

  • @PaulGappyNorris
    @PaulGappyNorris Před 8 dny +13

    Done. Simples.

  • @stuartwilson7392
    @stuartwilson7392 Před 8 dny +4

    It was always impossible to support Brexit and keep a strong economy. Supporting placing large economic sanctions on the country was always going to create high inflation and a cost of living crisis. It has happened to every other country in the world that faced similar sanctions and is why we place such sanctions on our enemies.

  • @TheSuperPsychoKiller
    @TheSuperPsychoKiller Před 8 dny +5

    Move on from conservatives. They are not the only fishes in the sea.

  • @ianmclaren9721
    @ianmclaren9721 Před 7 dny +3

    People are sick of the wealth club.

  • @bushwhackeddos.2703
    @bushwhackeddos.2703 Před 8 dny +3

    Doesn’t really matter, the damage they have done is irreversible, what’s left of this country is only going one way……

  • @stekeeley1936
    @stekeeley1936 Před 7 dny +1

    Absolutely STILL doesn't get it,it's because the brand failed... it's not about YOU OR YOUR BRAND..., it's about the country.

  • @clarecollins2547
    @clarecollins2547 Před 8 dny +2

    I would like to think they are done!

  • @problemsolverthinktank859

    They can’t with cry babies like Steve baked 😂

  • @IMBlakeley
    @IMBlakeley Před 7 dny +2

    The current tories are not centre right, that's Labour, the current incarnation of the tories is far far right.

  • @Fritjof1
    @Fritjof1 Před 7 dny +2

    In Denmark we haven’t had a conservative government since 1993.
    Today it’s one of the smallest parties in parliament and has since only been part of coalition governments as a smaller party.
    To the British I congratulate you.
    Now be sensible and rebuild the welfare state.

  • @tryingmybest9819
    @tryingmybest9819 Před 7 dny +2

    No, the Tories are not finished. It'll take an event bigger than this for a 150 year old party in it's modern form to go belly up. As long as they support the rich, the money will flow to them.

  • @ThroatSore
    @ThroatSore Před 8 dny +6

    Let's ask someone from the Liz Truss government. He'll talk sense?

  • @timbrown4576
    @timbrown4576 Před 8 dny +2

    Marcus Fysh voted out? Well that's a win for the country.

  • @kev8816
    @kev8816 Před 7 dny +1

    Ben Houchen arguing for trust in politics 😂 whilst hiding everything he possibly can with his teesworks shenanigans!

  • @taffyman6089
    @taffyman6089 Před 8 dny +2

    I have yet to hear Marcus Fyshe say anything that makes sense. Here he is incapable of setting out what he says he advocates.

  • @Jonbombs
    @Jonbombs Před 7 dny +1

    Rory was the last decent modern Tory

  • @russelleldridge1358
    @russelleldridge1358 Před 8 dny +2

    They will tear themselves apart in this election campaign, could easily see the right joining reform under Farage, and the remaining centre standing alone or joining the Libs.

  • @RDHamel
    @RDHamel Před 7 dny +1

    A confused man. Needs to abandon the Brexit nonsense.

  • @mysteriousfox88
    @mysteriousfox88 Před 7 dny +1

    conservative, bad with the economy, bad with immigration, bad with governance, bad with policing, bad with security, bad with the environment, bad with taxes, bad with growth, bad with infrastructure, bad with healthcare, bad with education...etc

  • @PaulStargasm
    @PaulStargasm Před 7 dny +2

    Here we go again. Another clown trying to argue brexit benefits that don't exist. Even when he's shafted by it he can't see it.

  • @trevorsimmons3811
    @trevorsimmons3811 Před 8 dny +2

    Question. Who cares?

  • @josephinebrevig8748
    @josephinebrevig8748 Před 7 dny

    Relegated to the bustbins of history!! Thank you Britain 🎉🎉🎉🎉

  • @lazorr3260
    @lazorr3260 Před 8 dny +2

    Hopefully yes.

  • @redeyegooner
    @redeyegooner Před 7 dny +1

    Now is the time for the SDP to make itself and it's policies more widely known. A lot of centerists on the left and the right would finally have a political home again 🏡🤗

  • @shahidulislam4636
    @shahidulislam4636 Před 8 dny +2

    No! Tories weren’t dead; they’ve withered away and sank into the river of Reform Party! Tory will revive as far right!

    • @SlowhandGreg
      @SlowhandGreg Před 8 dny

      There bleeding too many votes to the centre by pandering to the nutters, Reform aren't Conservative in any shape or form

  • @MurphyOCP-001
    @MurphyOCP-001 Před 8 dny +1

    Hopefully they never, ever come back

  • @EMPNETWORKS
    @EMPNETWORKS Před 7 dny

    starting again for conservative requires 2 very simplistic rules. 1 stop privatising everything and 2 actually govern! . this will also have a side effect of routing out the disgusting corruption that they became.

  • @th8257
    @th8257 Před 8 dny +1

    We had exactly the same discussions in 1997. The Tories' position is massively entrenched by First Past the Post. They remain the main challenger to Labour in over 200 seats. If they decide to make themselves electable again, they could be in business again relatively quickly. If they don't, then they may suffer a lingering death. So much depends on how Labour performs, and if the Conservatives decide to sort themselves out.

  • @slayerrocks2
    @slayerrocks2 Před 7 dny

    "The people are starving."
    "Let them use the gents!"

  • @user-zc4yd9ss7h
    @user-zc4yd9ss7h Před 7 dny

    Finished whilst Reform takes almost half their votes. And widely disliked.

  • @davidculling7082
    @davidculling7082 Před 8 dny +1

    The Tories are finished. Not because there’s no way back but because there simply isn’t anyone with the vision and competence to lead.

    • @user-qq2vq4fv8b
      @user-qq2vq4fv8b Před 6 dny

      They were sunk from the moment that they chose Billy Bunter " yaroo!!" to lead the party .

  • @joisagirlsname
    @joisagirlsname Před 7 dny

    They should be done. But they're all through the media as well.

  • @JL999k
    @JL999k Před 8 dny +1

    Sorry! I read the headline a 'Political Farce'!

  • @josephhodgetts136
    @josephhodgetts136 Před 7 dny +1

    Rename them the Gonserative Party 😂

  • @nigelhardy7218
    @nigelhardy7218 Před 6 dny

    The Tories need to go away do some proper soul searching and listen. Then they've got Braverman opening her not-so-liberal mouth. Listening has never been one of their strengths.

  • @josephedwards4325
    @josephedwards4325 Před 7 dny

    I'e been dreaming about the day Suella Braverman is deported from government.

  • @petefl1818
    @petefl1818 Před 7 dny

    Despite their gross betrayal of the British people during the pandemic the Conservatives still got 121 seats in the 2024 election, no I wouldn't say the Conservatives are finished as a political force, Farage may dream but he's going to be very disappointed.

  • @iftyhargil8359
    @iftyhargil8359 Před 7 dny

    You can tell why he wasn't re-elected.

  • @A-Name-101
    @A-Name-101 Před 7 dny

    Nope carry on what you’re already doing as it is working, which means it helps Labour! 😂

  • @user-qq2vq4fv8b
    @user-qq2vq4fv8b Před 6 dny

    Will try again. Both the Torys and Labour , purged their moderates, who were often their best thinkers . Rory Stewart and Jeremy Corbin for example. Perhaps both of them were too honest in these days of blatant lying and spin .

  • @peacelilly75
    @peacelilly75 Před 8 dny +1

    Speaking human 😂 who are these people

  • @johnnysheen9615
    @johnnysheen9615 Před 7 dny

    People have the memories of Fish.
    They will be back in power within the next decade.
    And a decade later, people will wonder why the country has slid further down the swanny.
    Exactly the same position we where in, in 97.
    And Labour will do exactly the same as Last time, kick the ball down the road and backdoor Privitisation.

  • @independent-ts6ys
    @independent-ts6ys Před 8 dny +2

    Do tories over there act like republicans do over in the US?

    • @danmayberry1185
      @danmayberry1185 Před 8 dny +1

      Close, without the Puritan psychosis, and constant threat of violence, and authoritarian cult leader.

    • @kevinsmarts9953
      @kevinsmarts9953 Před 7 dny +1

      They haven't got as far as the book burning but it feels like they are close.

    • @kanedNunable
      @kanedNunable Před 6 dny

      ever since trump got power, yes. they realised they could just lie and bluster and it would keep them going for a while

  • @georgefrancis8602
    @georgefrancis8602 Před 8 dny +1

    Blame the poor public tax then more!

  • @welshcaesar
    @welshcaesar Před 6 dny

    He talked a lot but offered nothing. Brexit has been a disaster.

  • @matthew3136
    @matthew3136 Před 7 dny

    Depends on the level of gaslighting they invest in. Pay off some newspapers and tv networks and have them show “Alternate Facts” 24/7. Billionaires have the money.

  • @rob27dap26
    @rob27dap26 Před 7 dny

    The former MP here the SDP would probably tick your box they are much more conservative in their current iteration and would pretty much fit that bill.

  • @stephfoxwell4620
    @stephfoxwell4620 Před 7 dny

    Not finished.
    Just vastly truncated and marginalised.
    Demographics is bleeding them out.
    They will be one a vestige like the Liberals after 1922.

  • @PaulDickson-yi2vw
    @PaulDickson-yi2vw Před 7 dny

    Simply invite reform to join the Tories then hold a leadship contest unite the right.

  • @user-js3rg9sj1k
    @user-js3rg9sj1k Před 7 dny

    NO.

  • @johnbrett-smith2069
    @johnbrett-smith2069 Před 7 dny

    It'll depend on who they put in charge

  • @thegeneral123
    @thegeneral123 Před 8 dny

    I hope so.

  • @markbolam1383
    @markbolam1383 Před 6 dny

    they are finished the brand is toxic

  • @IainG81
    @IainG81 Před 6 dny

    No I think is the answer, although if the conservatives become obsessed with social issues it could be awhile.

  • @markatkinson167
    @markatkinson167 Před 8 dny +2

    He's right that reform isn't a serious party. Such a shame what the conservatives have become. They had fine leaders such as Cameron

  • @kanedNunable
    @kanedNunable Před 6 dny

    hopefully. the damage these right wing grifters have done to the country is immense.

  • @TrevorBarre
    @TrevorBarre Před 8 dny

    Marcus Ratte? This guy is is such a piece of work - I wonder if he would have resigned if he had actually won? And he's obviously a Brexiteer, so off you go, Marcus.

    • @TrevorBarre
      @TrevorBarre Před 8 dny

      He served in Truss's government, so what does that tell you?

    • @TrevorBarre
      @TrevorBarre Před 8 dny

      Braverman is a monster. Let's get her as Tory leader - they won't get in power in my lifetime.

  • @charliecampbell197
    @charliecampbell197 Před 6 dny

    Labour stopped being left wing and moved to center left to get elected with both Blair and Starmer.
    Of course the tories can return to the center right where they used to be. Even with Johnson.
    The UK electirate is moderate/center. leaning a little left or right in response to circumstances.
    Every election is fought on that basis.

  • @Feynmansmentor
    @Feynmansmentor Před 7 dny

    like asking if the empire was done after the battle of Yavin

  • @TheScoppie
    @TheScoppie Před 7 dny

    The Tory Party may well be done as a political force.
    Firstly, their new leadership battle could end up splitting the party, especially when you consider that only 19 MPs are needed to force a vote of no confidence via the 1922 Committee. That is a tiny figure, and easily reachable considering the factionalism within what is left of the parliamentary party.
    Then you have to consider the candidates themselves, pretty much all of whom are too right wing for most of the country, but more importantly they were all senior ministers in the Johnson/Truss/Sunak administrations - they are tainted by association in the eyes of the public. The only exception would be Tom Tugenhat, but he is too centrist for the party membership to be voted in anyway.
    And even if all THAT was somehow surmountable, the party faces an existential problem in terms of its demographics. The only age group that favours them now is the elderly, and they are - bluntly - dying out. They have a dwindling minority of supporters in the under 50s, and the youngest voter groups simply don’t have any (and the very youngest are going to be expanded to include 16 and 17-year-olds by 2029).
    If you add all that up, and factor in that 2034 is realistically the soonest they have to be properly prepared to contest an election with a chance of winning, by which time even more of their natural supporters will no longer be with us, it’s game over.

  • @user-js3rg9sj1k
    @user-js3rg9sj1k Před 7 dny

    There a bunch of liar,s

  • @michaelmyers3709
    @michaelmyers3709 Před 7 dny

    When did they start

  • @GlobalPoliticalNews-ry3zy

    This matters don’t matter

  • @user-qq2vq4fv8b
    @user-qq2vq4fv8b Před 6 dny

    Wow , CZcams are deleting my posts before I have even stopped typing.

  • @nicks4934
    @nicks4934 Před 7 dny

    Who gives a f.

  • @gretareinarsson7461
    @gretareinarsson7461 Před 8 dny

    No they are not but conservative-“ism” as such may well be if they do not turn away from the populist right

  • @really8930
    @really8930 Před 7 dny

    No, the Tories are not “done”. But there may be re-alignment in British politics. The centre is - as it always has been - the real battle ground.
    In the short term it is about fiscal and financial competence. If Keir Starmer gets that right he will have probably have two terms.
    So, the conservatives could be out of power for the next 9 or 10 years. Which is no bad thing, given the mess the Tories have made of the Government and Brexit over the 5 years.

    • @kevinsmarts9953
      @kevinsmarts9953 Před 7 dny

      The Tories have been awful for 14 years and Labour will for sure be in power for a similar length of time, hopefully longer.

    • @really8930
      @really8930 Před 7 dny

      @@kevinsmarts9953 Nothing is a given. Depends on the Labour Government’s performance in office. Although you have to think that it would take pretty calamitous incompetence by the Labour Government for the Tories, even if re-aligned with Reform, to get anywhere close to re-gaining power over the next decade.

    • @kevinsmarts9953
      @kevinsmarts9953 Před 7 dny

      @@really8930 Reform only got 5 seats, if the Tories move towards them they will lose more centre ground and do worse. Their only chance to get back in is to move towards the centre and that means distancing themselves from Reform. Its lose, lose unless a lot of the votes against them were protest votes and they can somehow prove that they would not be so corrupt and incompetent if they got back into power. There's no way they can do that in 5 years, maybe 10 or 15.
      The other possibility is for the Tories to somehow make themselves less popular and that could allow Reform to grow. However, that would push the Lib Dems into second place and Labour would become a hard to shift centralist party.

    • @really8930
      @really8930 Před 7 dny

      @@kevinsmarts9953 In British politics - the centre ground with a reputation for economic competence is “king”. This is usually the case every election. There will be a massive fight by Tory centre-right and centre-left for the soul of the party. Much as Kinnock had to do with the Militant Tendency in the 1980s.
      But the difference, and it’s a big difference, a new Conservative-Reform party (or electoral pact/alliance) could re-capture many of the safe Tory seats lost this time around. But at what cost? Pushing more traditional centrist Tories to the Liberal Democrats and/or towards a new centrist Labour “Model Army” under Starmer?
      The Conservative Party is beset by troubles all round. It may get worse, much worse, before it gets any better.

    • @kevinsmarts9953
      @kevinsmarts9953 Před 7 dny

      @@really8930 If the Tories move towards Reform they lose the centre ground and Labour and Lib Dems become the main parties. That model cannot work for them.

  • @goldfinga786able
    @goldfinga786able Před 8 dny +2

    So they not blaming g themselves...blaming g others

  • @JonathonBastow
    @JonathonBastow Před 8 dny

    Labour have won.. they were going to do so many things.. 2 days later same labour.. its going to take years to be able to make changes 😂😂 its almost like everybody said it from.the beginning

    • @Human_Herbivore
      @Human_Herbivore Před 8 dny +2

      We have a situation where the country is utterly broken by the tories. From Brexit to putting profit over everything, the damage is enormous. That's why any incoming government is going to struggle for a while.

  • @picaso023
    @picaso023 Před 8 dny +1

    I think right wing people cannot change their views and the left wing flip from side to side

  • @davidbister436
    @davidbister436 Před 8 dny +1

    They keep on forgetting Austerity and the decline has been over 14years with Labour 13 years before. My adult life has been wasted by both Labour and Torys.

    • @ArtyFactual_Intelligence
      @ArtyFactual_Intelligence Před 8 dny +8

      Labour's previous term was of unprecedented growth and improvement in nearly all markers, until the capitalist bankers created their crash.

    • @kylebewley7790
      @kylebewley7790 Před 8 dny

      @@ArtyFactual_Intelligence facts 💯

    • @hypsyzygy506
      @hypsyzygy506 Před 7 dny

      Why didn't you go into politics if you feel so strongly?

  • @darrenbrians5930
    @darrenbrians5930 Před 7 dny +1

    Englands population density's well hidden. It's 448/km🤢. We have the worst homelessness in the west. Labour and Tories collapsed the HNS with immigration. Reform ❎️

  • @user-wq6sz7vt3w
    @user-wq6sz7vt3w Před 7 dny +1

    Labour continue to be rewarded for their invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan

  • @gunorijssel7987
    @gunorijssel7987 Před 8 dny

    At 13:30: couldn't DISAGREE more: the last thing the TORIES should want to do is to leave the LEADERSHIP-TO-BE hanging out there in the three to dry. GET THAT DONE NOW and then begin the INWART orientation. Otherwise, everybody will be like: "they STILL haven't sort out their leadership issue; WHO'S gonna be next: Suella, Kemi or someone else: NO, again: have this issue sort out at the SHORTEST possible time and then start reconstructing. NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!!