Do Trans Athletes Have an Unfair Advantage? | xQc Jubilee Reaction
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Love how the “some people are good at sports, and some people aren’t” sticks, in a debate between professional athletes.
Nice name
anime girl tho
Oh wow never notice that some people are better at thing
Can’t wait for them to start complaining when they get their gender neutral sports like they wanted and the “some people” to be 99% male
Rolling derby btw OMEGALUL
Here’s a better example imo. If lebron James transitioned and started playing in the wnba he would most definitely drop 70 points a game
Wow dude that was totally transphobic ,how dare you question trans ?? Your also mansplaining so blocked 💅
@@meyr1992 It be like that people finna flame people for saying that
@@meyr1992 the fuck is this bait
@@owenmenning3878 it ain’t bait pepega
@@koodadigital8923 if that isn't bait, then im not breathing oxygen
Xqcs face looks he wants to say so much but "if I speak, I will be in big trouble" LULW
it sucks u cant even speak your mind nowadays
not saying i wouldnt lulw
Ah yes xqc is afraid to speak the obvious and then the typical dumb hasan viewers will say there is no "self-censorship" of truth its just that youre a bigot. Trans already have their category, its called trans, dont need to redefine what men and women are, because you run into all sorts of problems, thats not a controversial view, you shouldnt be afraid to speak about it.
@@lordjaraxxus663 saying trans athletes should have their own categories isn't a bigoted opinion. its a common opinion the vast majority of people share. internet leftists don't decide majority opinions in the real world since they are a vocal minority.
@@_DMNO_ by internet leftists you mean twitter
@@_DMNO_ " internet leftists don't decide majority opinions in the real world" but increasingly they do, including the type of self censorship that xqc is afraid of speaking his mind even if he has no ill intentions, because leftists increase the cost of dissent and discourse is more and more developed in social media only. Reputation destruction is their play, like teenage girls.
The trans argument is basically "Just because you have a biological advantage doesn't mean you are guaranteed to win" which is true but the whole problem is that there is the advantage in the first place. No one said that you are guaranteed to win just because you have an advantage but it does make it easier.
@@Leccci No shit. But we are talking about groupings here. A trans male who transitioned after puberty will still have higher bone density, larger lung capacity, height. It isn't about genetics or hormones here, because obviously top athletes have good genetics as well as good training.
@@Leccci Do you just want to become a victim to demand changes that are unfair? You say inclusivity, but then proceed to make it a bigger divisive issue between trans atheletes and common sense people that know the facts said in my previous comment.
@@Leccci That is the most retarded reasoning I have ever seen lmao. You could use that to defend fucking drug usage in the top level of sports
@@Leccci There are hereditary advantages, that’s what differentiates the top athlete’s who all put in the same amount of effort.. but gender is entirely different from that and can’t be compared
@@Leccci Those "hereditary characteristics" are the baseline for professional athletes. And the sex of a person is not hereditary, you don't inherit your genitals (in most cases) like you do your eye colour or bone density.
Felix: guys i probably won't talk that much through out the whole video.
Also Felix: 30min vid
was gonna write this word for word lol
@@ouv3007 You weren't though, were you?
@@friendhaus1858 yes
its funny cuz it thought you guys had freedom of speech in america, but its also the country that cancels people the most. yall are a comedy show for us i swear. yeah go ahead "eu lost to rats" damn man u got me..
@@ducksauce9187 If u think US is the country that cancel the most, you should check North Korea or China, those r good examples of the definition of cancel 😂
Literally it's an undeniable fact, muscle mass, lung capacity, heart size, reaction time, muscle memory, and a lot more to name. You just can't disprove these attributes a person can have that makes them naturally stronger. People keep saying that research this research that about HRT to justify their narrative, but it doesn't affect all of the factors that can contribute to one's athletic ability.
you are, WRONG.
pain peko
@@flameguy3416 Amazing counter argument
@@flameguy3416 You got him there,
@@someguy86 I sure did 😎
watching x tip toe around sensitive subjects is hilarious, especially when he reads edgy chat and just starts laughing
dude you can see the gears turning at around 4 mins when he covers his mouth and has to turn the cam off, holy shit i was rolling
i find it dumb as fuck, you should be able to say what u want without having every person constantly looking for someone to cancel u for n shit
@@ihax4uv179 yeah but twitch is cucked beyond belief
@@regarded9702 tru
@@ihax4uv179 ikr
Well, I enjoyed my stay, boys. It was a truly remarkable career for him as a streamer. Get that fundraiser page up so we could get him some shelter and food, can't give up on him like this.
Cardboard box house tour soon? PagMan
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@@scarlett4898 this is the weirdest bot I have ever seen
hes not gonna get canceled over this, he just doesn't understand half the shit hes talking about, which is normal for xqc, this has happened so many times
@@somenerdpngFirst of all, this is just a joke, and second, his points were pretty good, so I wouldn't be surprised if he does get canceled. Saying a man without testosterone is on the physical level of women is like saying if we shoot up a woman with testosterone she's gonna be able to compete with men, which is impossible. And if you disagree, you might wanna stop by BrainsRUs.
I appreciate the fact the the MTF trans peoples excuse is “I still lose”. We never said you were good, we just said you have a natural advantage, just cuz you suck doesn’t mean you don’t have that advantage.
TRUEING
Couldnt have said it better, but i have a feeling they aren't going to like this comment
People who are taller have a natural advantage in basketball, should we exclude them from the sport? At the upper echelon of these competitions (like, WAY beyond collegiate level), difference in hormonal balance and whatnot DO actually provide what might be considered an unfair advantage. However, if you know anything about this topic, in any competition where where a trans person's hormone levels, etc. might provide an unfair advantage in the pinnacle of a sport, trans people (particularly trans women) DO have hormone measurements taken to ensure they're roughly in line with other cis women competitors.
Not all MTF have a natural advantage but some do for sure
@@yScribblezHD You completely missed the fucking point
Lmao, I love how they state 'Me being trans does not mean I have an advantage' which they explained by someone else being better than them. That's a flawed logic. This person is like 6'2". Seen in the female height distribution that's the top 1% percentile. The male equivalent is like 7 foot.
@Lonely Rome Do you think we should just abolish gender from sports and just make it one big event?
@Lonely Rome Well, if you remove 'superficial' attributes and compare the results of any olympic discipline.
The 100m sprint qualification time is 10.05, half a second faster than any woman has ever run the sprint. Just as an example.
@@dangerfar Some people actually argue that, not realizing why a women's division exists in the first place. It was to encourage women to do sports. Before that, sports was only for men because women would always just get rolled and be non-competitive at even the intermediate level.
@Lonely Rome uh what? just how short do you wanna go cause being 5'8 or even 5'7 you have a shot at beating bigger guys at running and at basketball. Basketball literally is divided into positions by height, granted you do have a disadvantage when youre below 6feet, but that never stopped many sub 6 players to make the league be at the top, whatever disadvantage they have in size they make up for it with speed and skill. Put a 5'3 muggsy bogues in the wnba and he'll absolutely dominate women of any size, why? cause biology
@Lonely Rome that’s not the point you can make that argument for taking steroids sports need to eliminate every possible advantage so it’s entirely based on skill
I kinda feel triggered that this is even debatable.
Of course it is unfair.
You haven’t done research then
well said.
Trans people go through rigorous Hormone Suspension and Body Surgeries that make them The same as their preferred Gender, They test how much testosterone and estrogen you have before participating.
@@syza now I know you haven’t done research cuz you have no clue how HRT changes peoples bodies
You can’t just make conclusions without doing research
@@syza Yes you are right. Just look at Laurel Hubbard.
excited to see what this unbelievably friendly and non confrontational comment section will say
Hey whats up parkcs. Hope you are having a good day
Cant beat males
So they change gender to beat females pepelaugh
@@jakedennis9938 PeepoGlad 🌹
@@jakedennis9938 ty jake
@@devilvocano420 THEY FORGOR 💀
How is this even a debate? Everyone already knows the answer deep down/on a technical level.
HRT, research about it, its a little bit more complicated than that
@@jorgegg-117 its not dont let your emotion take control of your brain in front of me ty
@@jorgegg-117 no it's simple. women and men are biologically different. men have advantage in sports
@@jorgegg-117 The route to the answer can be made complicated, but the end result is still the same.
@fffouad I've read trans studies that have data that implies one thing, but they interpret it in the conclusions to indicate the opposite. This appeases the trans lobby, which is bought and paid for by big pharma and the APA. Why you ask? It's profitable to promote gender ideology as it creates more customers (patients).
My only take is this is like controller vs keyboard and mouse one has a huge advantage.
That's not a take.
It's just facts.
True lol
Console players have aim assist for a reason, now put metal inside a biological female boxers gloves when she fights a trans woman boxer
@@atlas_rise_ :/ whatever you say I can tell your a pc nerd.
@@kikabull113 You're* + Are you saying mouse and keyboard players don't have an advantage?
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Not only people quote me on things that i didnt said but now i cant say what i want sadge
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Yes, they do. End of debate.
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based but 5Head.
I just don't understand why they don't compromise and have a specific trans only sports competition in the Olympics that way everyone wins
Facts.
Trans people go through rigorous Hormone Suspension and Body Surgeries that make them The same as their preferred Gender, They test how much testosterone and estrogen you have before participating.
Imagine thinking sports should be gender neutral when a man who was ranked 203rd in the world at tennis beat arguably the best female tennis players of all time in Serena and Venus Williams.
All that while being hungover btw
And it wasn’t even close
The thing about gender neutral sports is that they would just sort themselves. I dont see the problem with gender neutral sports because most of the women will naturally sort to the bottom, and men to the top. Then they will just end up competing against each other anyway.
@@perperperpen Problem there is it would no longer become a viable option for females to become a professional in their chosen sport as there wouldn’t be the money in it for them being that low down so in essence it would kill women’s sport
@@JordanSMonk well not really, because even in sports with gender neutral ranking, there are events specifically for lower ranked players. Its not like the only ones who get attention are at the top, but generally, the best players overall will be the most respected, similar to how the majority of men's leagues in sports have much more viewers than women's leagues and the players are more well known. That doesnt mean you cant be a respected women's athlete, but its just kind of how sports work. The best player overall will always get the most attention, regardless of how you sort or divide the sport.
And then also the benefit of such a system is that rather than being forced into mens or womens categories, trans people can fall somewhere in between, but still be competing against players of similar skill.
women to men have a disadvantage , Men to Women has a huuuuge advantage. The fact that you still lose don't prove that you don't start with an advantage ... Men to women gets a starting point advantage and that's facts.
Then why aren't they dominating the leader boards?
@@camy0772??????????
Yes totally that advantage is so clearly when so many top female athletes at trans.
You guys are stupid. Not because a trans athlete isn’t champion that it means it’s fair lol
A trans woman vs a normal woman with both the same talent and the same training the trans woman will decimate the normal woman 100% of the time … all your exemple and anecdotal bullshit are irrelevant… World isn’t fair, I will never be a pro basketball player cause im only 6ft1 and not talented at all, I will never be a hockey player because I learned to skate to old
And trans people will never be olympian because they were born in the wrong body just as I was borned in the “wrong body”
Sometimes you can’t have everything you want in life … Life isn’t fair move on
Women to men, no advantage. Men to women, advantage. If it’s women to men then they are taking testosterone. If it’s men to woman then the body structure already has the spike in testosterone aka puberty making the body already stronger. They already have the foundation to build on. Estrogen doesnt remove that.
There is no need to debate. Trans women, male to female, have distinct physiological and biological advantages that don’t just go away with hormone therapy. They are ‘punching down in a sense. Trans men competing is less of an issue because they are ‘punching up’.
What’s the evidence?
@@testacer5101 any sports that is dominated by men? basically any sport lul
@@testacer5101 well bone structure is a big one, there is a reason why a ten year old boy can almost allways keep pace or beat a female thirteen year old. the reason that things like combat sports would be unfair is because men are stronger naturally. a man who does not work out but is not overweight will on average still beat a strong women if they used the same attack at the same time, tone the man down and you still edge the strong women out on bone structure alone not to mention mussle mass.
I think the debate isn’t whether or not it’s unfair. All sports have an unfair underlying factor when it comes to biological standings. The issue is when does the differences become to great. My question is if it’s women’s tennis or something that isn’t physical and the trans-man weighs less and is PHYSICALLY weaker then the women should be be eligible? I feel like even with the biological advantage the trans man has the women kinda balances it out but I might just be on copium.
@@sandralately1267 It’s like banning black people from sports because they are statistically more likely to be born in an environment that leads to them being better at sports.
This is even if trans-women have an advantage which I haven’t seen convincing evidence of.
Men almost always have a better build for most athletic related things then women and It’s not transphobic or sexist it’s just the truth
bay zed
But some dudes can have way better genetics than others that give them unfair advantages but nobody complains about that? Micheal Phelps has super long arms which is insanely good for swimming but nobody wants to ban him
@@camy0772 sorry dude i might be very wrong but i think for sports they extract or add the amount of unfair advantage or disadvantage u get from the time. Im pretty sure but not 100%
Tbh its just that men have a higher level cap than woman please dont cancel me and they start at a higher level
thats transphobic and sexist you bigot lol
We’ve always made different groups for physical sports (where this biological advantage helps in) Boxing and wrestling have weight classes, swimming has swim style, etc. The reason it’s a problem now is that it’s now messing with somebody’s identity.
I cannot comprehend how this is even a debate. It is literally scientifically proven that males have advantages when it comes to the biology of the body. There is no sexism, transphobia or anything. Its literally just science and facts.
same with polical correct morons who use their heart insteed of their brain
Have your opinions about this topic but could you please drop the idea that one side uses logic and one side doesn't?
Republicans literally deny a worldwide pandemic and believe in a big man in the sky, listen to dudes who certainly have a lot of feelings about climate change, then use "millions of scientists are funded by our gubbamint!!!" Instead of facts.
Also, we make murder illegal because it incites a lot of bad emotions, right? Or are you a sociopath who only believes there's value in money and positions, so that's why murder is illegal? If you think emotion doesn't and shouldn't play an important part in society, you're in denial of your own emotions, scared and hiding.
trans people don't really think about science and facts
Cannot LUL
@@EingefrorenesEisen Who denies a worldwide pandemic? Nobodies saying "look guys COVID doesn't exist" what crack are you smoking ??
Men have a huge advantage even after every single surgery that could be done
that’s just incel mentality lmao if you’re serious u need help
@@phrog2013 Everything he said is 100% fact and ridiculously obvious
@@phrog2013 you are the reason words have to meaning anymore, you can’t even use the correct word in a sentence
@@phrog2013 physically men have an advantage unless you cut their legs off or something dumb. Their bone and muscle density, size, strength, ect are not in the same ball park as the average woman. It's not incel mentality. Incel mentality would be claiming that men are smarter, which is not true like men being stronger.
@@phrog2013 sounds like you need help. If you can’t understand the simplest advantages of hormones, bone structures, power advantage and all of those. I can’t help you there man.
8:42 is actual gold. You see his thoughts so clearly. His movements are more understandable than him speaking.
nah nah nah , this is gold 4:52 .
BayZed take PagMan
My thing on this is that regardless makes and females are naturally different with different advantages. A male that has transitioned is still retaining the effects of being a male. They are like passive buffs. This has been shown with New Zealand weight lifter and plenty of high school track videos. Again if you don’t want to believe the difference between trans men and woman then just look at the difference between men and women in sports naturally.
You are right, even if they regulate the athletes testosterone to fit any a womens range, the athlete would still have an insane amount of androgen receptors from prenatal development, not only in the muscle but in the brain as well. And dont even get me started on the genetic advantages.
Im shocked that the jubilee guests were able to have a civil conversation. I find it hard to understand why people think people transitioning to women would be on a fair level. Every second a person is on testosterone gives an advantage. Having an early advantage also has a cascading effect over time where initial advantages make more and more of a difference. Similar to how kids who are older in their grade tend to have better grades and more success in sports. That is simply because of the cascade
Yes but make sure not to use this as a coping mechanism. I am a February boy and objectively very academically accomplished. Your upbringing, determination, and stamina all make a much bigger difference! And yes ofc no person with any intelligence would say that trans women don't have an advantage over women.
@@guccipotato9466 Weight doesn't tell much, you would have to go off of muscle mass, bone density, hormone count, etc if you wanted things to be on a level playing field
im not in that tend
I'm actually on board with trying gender neutral sports if they want, the thought of Francis Ngannou fighting a woman sounds hilarious to me, i'd pay to watch that shit. I'd just want a live reaction cam on the people's face who think this is a fair/good idea.
Jesus, thats terrifying
Bro I've never paid to watch any sport .... but if that's a match I'll 100% pay to watch
never paid for any PPV fight before, but i'd absolutely pay for that
@@so_dead say it Say IT crowd noises : say it!!!
@@so_dead Nunes could wallop male strawweights, maybe even hang with elite level bantamweights. But she is one of the very few females capable of such a feat. Take a gander at her natural testosterone levels, pretty sure she is in the 110+ ng/dl testserum levels. Which is like the 0.0001% of all women. She is by all means an elite freakbeast with tons of training and experience behind her. That alone puts her up head and toes over all female competition. Now imagine if Amanda had all these same things, but had spend all that training and experience building as a below average male with 500+ng/dl and gender transitioned to female. She'd be mauling the other female fighters 2 on 1.
"If you think trans women have an advantage even with hormones, are you ok with trans men playing at a disadvantage even with hormones?"
Yes, because you can't play with an advantage, but no one will stop you if you want to have a disadvantage.
No one would have stopped Usain Bolt if he wanted to run with lead shoes, because it would have been his choice to compete at a disadvantage.
The problem is that at the top levels, where competitions are decided by minuscule differences, even the slightest advantage matters, and in the case of trans women, having an advantage that others couldn't have chosen to have is unfair for the biological women that are competing.
Listen all I'm gonna say is that men and women have their own sports leagues for a reason lol
@@QCteamkill What?
@@DarthEatsDonuts Women's sports. Following so far?
Why have they been created? So that women can somehow compete in sports? But against other women. Yeah?
What's the requirement (until recently) to compete in women's sports? XX chromosomes. That's the DNA part I was talking about.
I know, I know. Complex biology stuff. Acronyms in capital letters can be scary. Feel free to open wikipedia and catch up on those chromosome and DNA thing before the next part.
--- all good? ---
So why stop there? I mean segregation by DNA is well established by now. I'm gonna sequence my exact DNA.
This DNA sequence is gonna be the exact requirement for my new league. Of course anyone with the exact same DNA as me can join. I don't discriminate!
There's a one in more than a few billion chances that someone has the same DNA as me. I'm pretty safe to say I'm the best, uncontested, absolute champion of my league.
I am now a certified champ, not because I'm a good athlete, but because I have the required DNA.
@@QCteamkill what are you on about
i can't undestand what you are defending and if this is ironic or not
if I were a woman competing in mma, I would like to fight another woman, not another man
if a woman wants to fight in the men's category, in my opinion they should be able to, but the default should be women vs women
Sports like chess, video-gaming where one gender doesn't have a clear advantage over the other still have specific male/female categories for the fact that women still have a tendency to underperform and require their own leaderboards for competitiveness
@@QCteamkill I’ll give you a easy example Tyson vs literally any female boxer he’s gonna kill them not knock them out straight up kill them no female would be able to verse him
Or Lebron he would drop 80-90 points a game on WNBA
@@QCteamkill are you a national level no I’m comparing top level athletes
the girl in the skirt is such a follower it’s unreal waiting for other people to agree with her actual viewpoint so she can speak her mind this is the world we live in now nobody thinks for themselves they need validation around them
get a life pal
@Yousef mostafa does watching twitch automatically make it so you can’t think for yourself? When I’m asked for my opinion I don’t look around and wait for other people to say it first before I agree that is the tell tale sign of someone who can’t think for themselves or is scared to say their thoughts for fear of backlash don’t wanna get canceled on twitter ya kno 😂
@Yousef mostafa oh yea fam the way you talk definitely does not show your 12 years old but ok
The comparison of male puberty to going to the gym once with a protein shake is absolutely astonishing logic.
Even sports like the NBA change their rules if a player is too good or dominant.
I forgor. Men and Women have the exact same biological structure and are complete equals in every way and form. I see no problem with lebrona playing in the wnba, dropping 69 points per game. Gee Wiz
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This is one of those things where the argument is between feelings on one side, and logic on the other. We are talking about ATHLETES, people at the top of their game competing against each other where every advantage makes a difference. Trans athletes especially trans women have an advantage biologically, it doesn’t matter if it’s mean or you think it’s cruel to segregate them, in a conversation about competing it doesn’t matter how you feel it is undeniably a fact and it is a disgrace to allow cisgender to compete with them.
Destroyed with facts and logic.
Except that trans women lose bone density and muscle mass about 2 years after being on meds and, if you take hormone blockers, that only further the transitioning process. There is literally no data that would prove that trans women have physical advantage of regular women.
@@OneReallyGrumpyJill Okay lets put it this way, look at the size of the trans women at 0:33. She's the tallest person there along with the cis guy. Do you think he would've been born with that frame as a woman?. Pair that with more lung capacity. Don't you think that size will make a huge difference in sports? "There is literally no data that would prove that trans women have physical advantage of regular women." Like dude, the data is right there.
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@@OG-ru9mj "Uh, dude, just look and think" is not data, you are trying to rely on instinct right now, on the feeling of "something being wrong" there. I never said there are no difference, obviously they are there: the question is if there are difference that are major enough to provide unfair advantage in an unfair way. Following your logic, African men ought not to compete with European man since they, often, tend to have better physical builds. And, following your logic, transmen should compete with women because they have unfair disadvantage. "LoOK at HeR" is not a scientific study nor valid data. Actual no brain take.
I’m guessing chat was going crazy when he watched this. Haven’t seen it yet lol
been a while since I wimper in tears of silent laughter, it be the most random stuff sometimes man
I would say with any argument, there's always gonna be the minority that proves it wrong. But the minority also doesn't decide for the topic at hand for if it's accurate or not. Of course there's gonna be cases in which someone born as a female, would out perform a biological male in a sport. But you can't ignore the fact that on average that there's gonna be an advantage to being born one gender for specific things. Not all things of course. But this whole argument should be based around averages instead of thinking that it's either all correct, or none of it is correct. Because that's never the case with anything.
you're overcomplicating things. biological sex is clear cut. men are vastly different from woman. why do you think most of xqcow viewers are male
@@devinmcgroot7560 I'm just saying how there's always gonna be the oddball cases that goes against the averages. All I'm saying is that the averages is what matters. I agree with you lmao
@@devinmcgroot7560 most xQc viewers are male because he is also a male and gaming is a primarily male dominated community. just the same as how women gravitate more towards female content creators who do make-up for example. that is not biology, that is psychology.
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Nobody cares about women transitioning to men. Men transitioning to women are always going to have that advantage though which time and again has been shown to greatly increase their chances of winning in female sports. There are numerous articles of trans absolutely dominating female competitions.
This question has been settled 100 years ago. On to the next
I was dying when xQc paused on among and the chat was typing monkalaugh it was hilarious and the timing was perfect. 😂
Testosterone. The ultimate performance enhancer. Let's just all get juiced up and rage as equals
The moment he realized he said guy was way too funny.
Bro post time stamp lmao I'm not watching this cringe fest hahahah
@@weabooavatar399 6:21
Well he’s not wrong
@@tomato9593 😬
@@tomato9593 weird
I really liked the people in this episode, even when they had some questionable takes, they were pretty respectful.
they're always respectful
They're literally kind of forced to. If they say anything remotely hurtful I can gaurentee their stay on the internet wouldn't last long
@@Unknownz000 Their stay on the internet would be the same as before, just with 10-20 people talking shit about them on twitter
@@Unknownz000 yea but I feel like they were actually genuine. I've seen a lot of the other episodes and many of the people are just dickheads (usually the ones with outright wrong opinions)
i love how careful felix is, he's not even saying words anymore just hand gestures and saying "you know?"
Technically speaking the gender regulations typically only apply to the female version of sports. The male version of sports don't separate gender as far as I know, its pretty much strictly based on weight class and just whether you can compete on the level you are trying to reach or not .
I think people know it will be a long time before a FtM competes in a men's sport at even a semi pro level. That's why you really only hear about MtF. Imagine a FtM going against LeBron James or Mike Trout or Tom Brady each of these legends in their respective "Big 3" sports
Edit: WARNING This is a theory, their is no evidence for these assumptions just my reasoning, sorry for any inaccuracies.
If you were to look at a physical attribute that gave a competitive advantage, like strength and recorded data from 1000 athletes across all genders, I theorise you would see 4 peaks of binomially distributed data as each gender would have a slight increase in average strength, (cis-F, trans-M *because of hormones*, trans-F, cis-M) this clearly indicates that if cis and trans are grouped there would be a clear advantage for a proportion of the population degrading competitive integrity. The alternative is to simply assign people according to their biological gender, this would also demonstrate one group being physically dominant due to the effect of hormone therapy. This solution also comes with the unpleasant idea of labelling trans individuals as something they are not.
I think the ideal solution would be to segregate them into 4 categories this would maintain competitive integrity as there would binomial distribution of physically advantageous traits. And hopefully trans individuals would feel more comfortable with being accurately identified.
Note: I am utilising my knowledge from med school (have not graduated as of yet) to base my biological assumption that hormone therapy is not able to reverse most of the biologically advantageous developmental traits for men.
Rebuttal:
Outing trans people - this is definitely a big problem, but is not the core issue as it pertains to the idea of biology in sport. And it is something society will have to overcome.
What’s the point in becoming a better athlete - I think this point has some merit, if my idea is put in place it is very likely their will be a much closer overlap of individuals who could compete in a different leagues *for lack of a better word* thus being relegated to a level of competition you see as beneath you could be disappointing. Although to counter that here’s an example, does a female athlete feel any less accomplishment when winning a gold medal just because a man can do it slightly better, I would argue no because there is a fundamental understanding that men have a somewhat unfair higher physical peak. As such people shouldn’t feel that their lvl of competition is below another due to the effects of biology.
Gender neutrality in sport - Um… No, this one is pretty obvious. But people can set up their own leagues, rules and provided it generates enough money for it to stay afloat, who really cares.
I think you're onto something 🤔
Good think this is just a theory
We don’t care
"outing trans people" LMAO as if you can't tell instantly from 20 feet away man in a dress
In the one in a million you can't tell visually they will just tell you they're trans anyway because it's their entire identity
@@hunter00143 thats literally just not true, you dont know what you're talking about. A masculine appearance is a very easy thing to fix with surgery. Of course there are trans people who cant afford surgery, but there are also a lot who can, and a good surgeon wont have them looking like a "man in a dress". If anything, you would be able to tell by the voice. There is vocal feminization surgery and therapy, but a lot of the time you will notice something off about the voice. Its kind of obvious you havent met many trans people in real life, if any at all.
Unless there is actual data, i wouldve actually thought that trans men would be stronger than trans women, not weaker. Some of the effects of testosterone can be quite striking, and ive heard a lot of stories about people gaining so much strength from it. You said its just a theory, but what exactly is the reasoning behind that?
"When the whole world is running towards a cliff, he who is running in the opposite direction appears to have lost his mind." - C. S. Lewis
It boils down to this: men are bigger stronger and faster at the top level without exception. End of story.
i haven’t even started the video and i already know this is gonna be chaos
love how he removes his face cam because he can’t hold in his laughter any more
I heard among. Looked at chat, and waited.
One of the certainties in life
This fucking chat someone said "just respawn" i cant
Thanks Xqc for your honest unfiltered take on this. Your honesty touches the hearts of us all.
Hahahahaha you don’t watch xqc if you think this is unfiltered
“It’s not an advantage” holy copium overdose
Omg brooooo, x's reaction from 4:00-5:00 had me belly laughing deeply and harder than I have laughed from something on youtube in a long ass time.
When he just turns the camera off Pepelaugh
ikr the first 7 minutes was solid gold of content I was DYING
@@alexandregoguen8889 and then it comes back and he’s sitting there with a blank face lmao
Whenever hypotheticals come into play everyone always says doing it case by case isn't feasible. It is. Its actually very easy to have a group of people decide if an athlete plays in the womens or mens divisions. You don't need to dismantle the existence of the female average and the male average. But you can easily just put the outliers where they're supposed to be. You can have a woman in the mens volleyball team and still call it the mens volleyball team. You don't need to change the name of the sport as long as the name of the trophy is just volleyball champion.
Love the chat in this video MonkaLaugh
Whenever I watch xqc I get happy .. 🤗
:)
i get sad
Cringe
He makes my day.
@@mattp7006 ???
I love how xqc says he is not afraid of getting "cancelled" but he is still scared to share his own opinions on this type of videos lol.
LMFAO when he hid his cam
shout out for trying to have a conversation about it with chat bro oml i could not
6:40 He just saw his career flash before his eyes
I think that at the professional level, categories need to be even more granular beyond "biological male" and "biological female." I understand where people who make the argument in favor of trans people having a separate category are coming from, but I think at that point you need to separate based on other biological features depending on the sport. For example, imagine playing a height-dependent sport like basketball as a short male. That is almost 100% genetic. You could be the best basketball player in the world proportional to your height and never do well because you are too short. At the professional level, factors like height, weight, testosterone levels, etc all need to be taken into account. Arbitrarily dividing based on JUST being biologically male or female, while easy, doesn't really separate as fairly as you might hope. At the professional level just work it out based on appropriate attributes. Sports like wrestling already divide by weight class anyway. At the casual level, who tf cares.
I completely agree. People say being trans is unfair when yes, that is usually true but don't act like cis people playing sports is that fair either. There are definitely biological advantages and disadvantages within genders, so to include trans people as well as other biologically disadvantaged people this would probably be a good end goal.
Yes that's because normal males were born with those genetic advantages or disadvantages. It wasn't chemically changed and altered so guess what that means if you are a little taller than normal still doesn't mean you are going to be good at basketball it still takes time and skill. If you are born shorter and make it to the NBA then you probably will still be better that 99.9% and if you cant pursue a sport becauea people are already genetically better then guess what either work harder or find something else to do.
@@thoryl7067 But then why do we divide sports between men and women?
4:43 He had to hide his camera so that people wouldn't see him laughing 😂😂 xQc is TOO MUCH 😂😂
I don't get how this can even be a debate
This is your warning to turn back and not read the comments. Save yourself the trouble.
Am already 20 comments in bucko
@@iamtakingthisveryseriously already down 25 comments and i want to kms. the amount of furry, trans ppl here insulting ppl with common sense just realises to me there is no hope. even mark hamill became the villain this year.
@@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it i see more ppl being transphobic tbh
@@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it what are you talking about? Almost all the people here are being transphobic
"Chat be nice"
Spoiler alert: they're never nice
Yeah, they started spamming WutFace right when the trans person with green hair came
@@sall861 WutFace
@@sall861 thats because green hairs looks ugly on her. Wutface
@@yodagaming5905 well yeah but, you know, *if i speak im in big trouble*
@@sall861 it is ugly though WutFace
Brother played a hockey game vs a female team that was like 5 or 6 year older. And one of the girls tried to hit a 6 foot 7 monster and then got taken to the hospital on a stretcher and he did not try to hit her.
Pepelaugh 👉 chat war
I’m pretty sure it was Hassan who said it but we gave women their own categories so they could have a fair competition against other athletes if more and more trans women find out it would be easier still hard work but easier they will then all the records made by women get destroyed eventually and the one thing they had is gone
Hasan never said that . his stance is that trans can compete in the sport for their gender
@@chrischika7026 Hasan will say whatever he needs to say to get clout
No comment. I'm just here for React Andy content. We all got enough on our plates.
24:30 ‘we don’t have another data’ bro we got like 40 years worth
Good vid, I’ve had this conversation with lots of people. In my opinion, the roller derby athlete solidified my opinion. She said “when we have this conversation, no one is taking into account the hours of hard work I’ve put in working out, at the gym, etc.” when in reality, that’s not what is the issue. Good for you if you go to the gym and work out to improve and compete, props!! However, If you were born as a cis male and transitioned post puberty, you transitioned into female taking all your post puberty biology with you. So even if your testosterone levels are lowered and hormonal balance is differed by transitioning, you are still at an advantage due to biological advantages, such as higher lung capacity, higher V02 max, running economy, having a larger heart, naturally higher muscle mass, etc. Imagine a foot race where you are in basically the same physical shape as everyone else in the race, but your starting line is set 10 feet ahead of all of your opponents. This is why trans female cross country runners are smashing female cross country records wherever they compete. Hope I’m not coming off insensitive to trans athletes, or to pidgeonhole trans female athletes. I just personally feel it’s too problematic to the integrity of a sport for trans athletes and cis athletes to compete together (in most sports, sports is a very broad term nowadays. Chess, ESports and dominoes all have had arguments made for being considered sports. None of what I said above applies to nontraditional unathletic sports) Sorry for the paragraph lmao
Your problem is caring whether or not you come off as insensitive when that doesn't matter. If you're speaking facts then it's their fault if they get offended.
yup - i'm only 3rd fastest on my small high school track team but i still would be very close if not beat the women's high school mile record. you see a big time gap in any track events or cross country and thats just facts
@@valinor5397 ehhhh okay I see your point, but try having conversations with people while only respecting the facts and not the person you’re trying to communicate with. Those conversations usually turn sour, most people enter these conversations already in their feelings. I just want to convey a point while being respectful so my point is actually heard, feel me?
IMO, it is so hard to argur that if you are built to have an advantage in a sport, you will be using the time someone with a disadvantage is using to overcome it to further progress your advantage. Then the hard limits of bone structures and densities for certain sports is simply an advantage that can't be overcome. Of course you can make up for it in other areas but it is an inherent sex-based advantage nonetheless. This is case-by-case and sport-by-sport which makes these blanket-statement solutions so short-sighted imo. I sadly think that it is better to segregate between male and female for most sports because there are too many variables at play. Either that, or simply go for it and see what happens so there's more more anecdotal evidence to go off of
The amount of *actual* transphobes and homophobes in this chat is way more than it should be
it makes me sick.
maybe I'm just retarded but the comments I've read were quite tame. I see people typing PepeLaugh but thats only because of xqc's reaction and how he cant basically say anything in this matter.
@@enzogeee when the guy is talking about how he didn’t get a scholarship you can see a couple. Also sorting these comments by new are a good example.
You mean on twitch chat?
@@zoinksscoob6523 both there and here
XqcWin I don't have anything against trans athletes I just feel in some sports the transitioned male has a disadvantage and s transitioned female has an advantage. I love everyone, we all have our opinions and talking through this maturely like these people are is the best way to conversate about this
Honestly how is this even debatable. Its like saying "Does 1+1 equal 2?"
"No trans athletes are at the top" - So what? That doesn't eliminate the advantages they have? They can still have an advantage, despite not being at the top. Of course in sports, technique also matters, but you can still have an advantage over the people at your level. For instance, you could be at the very bottom of the list normally, but your advantages keep you in the middle instead. It's like a kid with rich parents, they'll pay for the best education, tutors, you name it, but as soon as they turn 18, no more help is provided. That kid has no guaranteed ticket to success.
bruh how old are you, rich parents won't automatically give up on you the moment you turn 18 lmao
@@nokiabladee I wasn't saying it literally, I was giving an example. There are definitely parents who make their kids go fully independent at 18, they don't abandon them, but they definitely don't finance them and make them pay rent.
Except Trans women are at the top
@@broly425 in what planet bozo
oh no pepelaugh
DinkDonk arthium update the chat overlay so that THIS appears in chat
Someone in chat said “Farming Nukes In COD” LMAOOO
Or, here me out, create a trans division. Way too many, even prenatal, advantages for trans women. As well as disadvantages for trans men. Not fair on either end. Trans division at least lets them compete.
No one is going to do that. The amount of transathletes is way too small. You will have to categorize them into age, weight, gender and so on (depending on the discipline) which just leaves close to no one left. Most bigger sports events already lose a ton of money in exchange for exposure. You think organizing, setting up and talking to sponsors is going to work with 5 people per category?
Then all sports should be mixed gender. If we're all the same, I see no problems having males, female and trans, all compete together. Maybe have it divided by weight rather than gender I guess.
@Gen B And I completely agree with you
There are not that many trans athletes.
its crazy how some people think that becoming trans is a trend just to perform better at sports. think of the actual motives to transition because no ones is to be better at a sport
Oh no no no, chat is competing in the WeirdChampionship rn
xqc trying not to get cancelled is gold
Yes. There’s not even a debate.
"I will have zero takes on this"
Proceeds to give plenty of takes
Bet they'll change their minds once The Rock transitions.
8:35 that was so simple, and still the entire chat is: “?????” actual brain damage OMEGALUL
Bad take
"CIS" what a strange way to say Normal
If we look at it like this
Men has 20 skillpoints to start with
Woman has 10 skillpoints to start with
Just because the woman earns more skills points over the year than you through practice doesn't mean that she doesn't have a disadvantage to start with. This trans woman with the seaweed head makes no sense lmao
mad respect to felix for actually hearing out all opinions and using it as an opportunity for education, because it really is a hard topic. coming from someone who isnt cis i think its an extremely interesting debate which does not have a set answer and its just chill that x is genuinely curious about the topic even though he is scared to share any of his personal opinion because it honestly so controversial and he probably doesn't want to get destroyed on twitter.. also the chat is so scummy
5:22 the guy in chat that said "is this FREAK OF NATURE joking?" is so out of pocket OMEGALUL
ikr
but why not seperate them into groups with certain amount of testosteron instead of vague gender, that would be much more fair, some girls have simply more testosteron than other girls and still consider themselves women which gives them unfair advantage. seperating athletes by gender is like seperating boxers by race, on average asians are lighter than white so white boxers and asian boxers should be seperated - that is bull shit, they should be seperated into groups that includes all races with similiar body weights. ( I know that there are more things to consider than simply just testosteron)
You can eat more and build muscle but you can’t eat more and build testosterone
@@imaforceanature7297 you can take testosteron shots
@@pox1396 Its just not only about testosterone. Look at this girl: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nataliya_Kuznetsova . Its pretty obvious she is heavily on steroids, yet fucking Tyler1 can still benchpress more. Testosterone makes a big difference, but it isnt the only thing that makes a difference.
@@linushforsberg8385 yea I said that I know that there must be considered more attributes than simply just testosteron.
This would never ever ever work in practical lol you absolute moron. Also nobody wants to watch 2 people with the exact same genetics fight lol, a big thing that is impressive in sports is how some peoples genetics just are absolutely freaky in their own ways.
Imo. the discussion about 'do men have a physical advantage in sports' is best explained when you look at the olympic results.
Just as an example, the 100m sprint entry time for men was 10.05s. That's half a second faster than any female athlete has ever run. And the list goes on and on and on.
@Lonely Rome chill out. Who hurt you? My guy’s simply just stating his perspective on the analytics of olympians, comparing them to one another and stating that men do have the advantage.
@Lonely Rome I bet you would love if boxing/mma just abolished the weight categories.
@Lonely Rome wtf did you get so triggered for?😂 sports need to eliminate every possible advantage that an athlete can’t control so men and women need to be separate. It’s that simple
@Lonely Rome Cope
also did anyone tell this guy that there is marylin manson cosplay party?
Wresting is split into weight divisions so it's not that much of an impact vs the competition. But most sports aren't divided into classes like that so you would clearly be at a disadvantage
I lost it when they debated if sports should be gender neutral
I'm all for it (we'll see how that goes)
@@jaguar4118 lol shit's like idiocracy nowadays, we're starting to go backwards and yet people see it as "progressing" all the same..
@@CrimzFN its just NA toddlers honestly
"Co-ed leagues work fine"
Yeah well I just took a look at some and I agree while it was entertaining watching the women try and strike the men and literally get bounced onto the ground, I don't know if that really proves things work "fine" or if it's even fair.
Also we don't live in a culture that takes pride in beating and pushing women to the ground like others, not only is it not always fun for the women to get beat, the men will probably be one bad hit away from never participating again.
There are also no rules in esports that men and women can't compete together, it just doesn't happen because we all know how unfair that would be. The only rules that exist is in female tournaments where men CANT compete, because we all know why.
@@TwitchCronos100 In esports I think would be a good thing, but the argument I hear from organizers are: Men and women in a hotel and always together in the game house and etc, etc, etc.
Looking at xqc desperately trying to awoid getting canceled on twitter is funny af
You just don’t know whether to laugh or cry. Send the meteor, just fucking send it.