Fallen Franchises: The Walking Dead
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- čas přidán 30. 10. 2022
- The show and franchise which just REFUSES to lay down and die.
Here's my video on The Walking Dead.
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I tapped out of TWD when they killed off Carl. And they had done so many things before that would have made me bail but I stuck with it. Wanted to see where it was going. But clearly it wasn't going anywhere. They had no plan, no endgame in sight. What a waste.
and the actor who plays negan was very upset about it cause he is a fan of the comics and carl x negan were supposed to build a father-son relationship like in the comics. There was no point in killing off carl
I was curious so I did a search for : why killed off Carl
The first answer was : It happened because of the emotional impact it had on Rick. It's been explained that Carl's death needed to happen to get Rick in the mindset of his comic book counterpart.
Anyone have any thoughts on this answer?
@@austinsmith3011 and then rick left
@@aniblush7733
Very good point. :)
The only killed Carl off because they didn’t want to pay the actor as an adult when he turned 18 🤦🏻♀️ such a lousey reason
I can simplify TWD now with one sentence :
A soap opera with zombies
That's what's its always been if you really think about it.
Yeah. Literally the first major plot line was "marriage issues".
@@sui1162 Literally?
It went full CW
@@Smorgasvord yea between Rick, Lori, and Shane
I will actually defend season 2. Yes, it moves slower than any other season, but the character development and the slow-burn movement towards clearing the barn and, ultimately, the farm being overrun and losing many characters in the last few episodes more than balances it out. Shane remains a fan favorite 9 seasons after his death which serves to make season 2 good in and of itself. Season 2 serves to give the audience a breather from the massive bombs dropped on us from season one in rapid succession and allows us and the characters to adjust to the new world together. The dialogue, character relationships, setting, tone, cinematography, and writing as a whole were spot on despite many people wanting more action. The final three episodes are some of the best, yet most difficult, to watch in the entire show due to a combination of excellent episode creation and sadness to see the farm and several beloved characters be killed. I will always prefer to watch season 2 BY ITSELF over anything from season 6 onwards due to Scott Gimple’s failure as a show runner.
I liked Season 2 overall. There were definitely some slow moments per se, but the first and last episodes of that season constituted the best season opener and the best season finale in my opinion. The conflict between Shane and Rick was very momentous. Who could forget Sophia as a zombie emerging from the barn? The characters were all realistic too - Super Michonne hadn't yet arrived on the scene, Daryl and Rick and Carol had not yet evolved into indestructible Rambo heroes, and Andrea's actions (for good and bad) were all realistic (before the writers ruined Andrea completely in Season 3). Everything was still fresh at the time, and the sojourn on Hershel's farm allowed for a lot of character development (Andrea's sharpshooting skills developed, Glenn and Maggie became a couple, and so on). So I look back favourably on Season 2.
I wasn't a fan of Carl's, but, even I have to admit that it was very, very stupid to kill him off. I also remember during that infamous episode, between commercial breaks, AMC was practically begging us to stick around for the surprise ending.
Carl was one of those characters who I never cared for but he was so critical for the shows internal messaging and I never realised it until the show died when he did
I never had an issue with Glen's death because I knew it happened in the comic,but Carl's death and his replacement by Judith just left me done with series.
Just the fact they killed him off to and have him replaced by the Sister who hadn't said a word the entire series just left me a little upset,and then finding out how upset Chandler Riggs and his father were after Chandler bought a House in Atlanta to be closer to the shoot and were both Lied to by Scott Gimple that they had plans for Carl in the Future.
Totally agree with the wild ups and downs of the show. I wish I got to see Frank's version =[
However the comic does have all of the CRM and Commonwealth stuff towards the end I think its a good way to go out in style.
Also I have to disagree with zombies being a boring monster. They're dead people, literally getting back up to eat you, in the millions. I find that absolutely terrifying every time. If they run, it's even worse. I LOVE the zombie genre and to me, it's the most realistic monster in horror.
Talking puppets, werewolves, blob monsters etc are very very fantastical, zombies however seem TOO real and thats why theyre scary.
Is it amazing? No. Is it terrible? No. It’s a mixed bag with good and some bad. And this is coming from a fan of the show.
Considering TWD was pitched to HBOBat one point, it creates an interesting “what if” in which what if Frank Darabont didn’t have to deal with the penny pinching AMC.
I actually tried taking it upon myself to try and create a redit of TWD to be a mix between the show and comic. Like having T-Dog and Axel live to S4 Ep8, kill off Sasha sooner, keep Andrea, Beth and Carl alive, keep Morgan and Dwight around after S8, etc.
They couldn't keep andrea alive because they knew she was gonna take over the show like she did in the comics and how iconic she was in the comics and the fact that s3 had a shitty showrunner. Beth died because she was outshining maggie simply put. Carl was killed off cuz they didnt want to pay him as an adult actor because he was turning 18💀
How would you create this fanedit with such little footage of T-Dog and Axel?
@@jacobcook245 simple. Have some of comic Axel’s storyline introduced in the show, and T-Dog was surprisingly easy to give him stuff to do up to the mid season of season 4. With season 3 consisting of some comic scenes from Tyreese, his relationship with Merle and have him tag along in the attack on Woodbury. For Season 4 I mostly focused on his friendship with Andrea and him being involved in the sick plot.
the only thing show andrea and comic andrea had in common is their race, hair color, gender, and their name.
I tried to stick with it after the Saviors story line but I had to nope out when they introduced the Whispers. Not only had they killed off every character I gave a shit about by that point but the story made no sense. In the previous season all the communities had come together to take on the Saviors, they had hundreds of well armed people. Then when the Whispers showed up and started trying to push them around they rolled over and showed their bellies instead of arming up and wiping them out like they should have done the first time the showed their ugly bald heads.
Well the reason they couldn’t just roll in and take them out is because they ran out of ammo and material to make ammo, since there was a time jump.
oh and not to mention they saved Lydia, which is okay for not the fact they put the communities all at risk .If they wanted to save Lydia so bad, they could've made a better plan to defeat the whisperers, that didn't end with so many casualties
A Show that's a genuine Zombie...
I checked out when they killed off Glen.
In the first season or two, I figured the ultimate goal of this show was to find a cure for zombies or they just leave to a deserted island. But in season 3, I realized that it’s basically just man vs man with zombies taking a back seat to the plot. Ergo, you can have a million seasons of this show, but it won’t be interesting when you’ve already figured out where they’re going: nowhere.
I mean, it’s made it all the way to it’s final story arc, which is the Commonwealth story arc. Thats when they end up taking over the Commonwealth via a revolution and it gives our characters the ability to live in a normal, fully functioning society again. And from what I’ve seen, they’re going with that ending. So no, it has been going somewhere, and most of the fans are happy with this ending.
U have only watched half the show ur in no position to complain lmao💀
@@noobles_1718 that’s what I’m saying! This guy is missing out on so much!
Bruh. Imagine watching only half the show just because the main characters dont have some magical protection and then complaining that the show is going nowhere while you have not even watched it.
To everyone who responded, I’m sincerely happy you like the show!! It’s just not for me is all.
Seriously, they killed Carl off right before a time jump. They could have recast the character. It would have still pissed the fans off, but they kinda already did this when they tried to replace him with Henry.
Then they killed Henry too, which was....... ok.
I didn't really care enough about Henry to care when he died. I just saw it as "Oh this is sad bc Carol lost another child." Not bc I cared about him at all. And I feel like I'm not alone in that
@Graey The Gay right?! Its just like that revenge movie trope where they give the hero a spouse or family just so they can be killed in the first 15 mins of the movie to motivate him to step away from a life of peace to fight the bad guy/guys.
I wanna say its called "Fridging".
After Glenn and Carl died I felt the show became a shit show 😭 shiva died, Rick left, Jesus died, Enid, Tara, Michonne left, etc etc
I get where you're coming from, I personally liked season 9-11, especially season 9 and 10, they're some of my favourite seasons, but it's such a shame that the show took such a big nose-dive in season 7-8 and that many people left after that, thanks to Gimple's writing and decision making.
But the show is still doing great and has a huge fanbase and viewership so the series isn't dead yet at all, especially with season 10, which is the highest rated season of the series, and the writing for the story and characters has gotten much better since then and I do think that Daryl is a good lead in the show now in my opinion, his dialogue and writing in general has been so much better and he actually has things to do and say again
Whether you want to give the rest of the series a chance again or not is totally up to you and valid either way, though. I just want to let you know that it does get better and that I would recommend it
Glenn was always gonna die tho, I could have told you that back in season 1 just cause of the comics lol
With Carl it's a little more complicated because Negan was supposed to live but in the show he's a lot more brutal than in the comics. Rick was on a warpath and wasn't gonna keep Negan alive at any cost so to keep Negan alive, something had to happen for Rick to change his mind. And that ended up being Carl's death because even if they kept Carl alive Rick probably wouldn't have listened given where his mindset was at, at the time
Such a shame. The graphic novels were so good, with so much more intrigue and cool stories.
I was so excited to see this come out. I actually didn't even know it was wrapping.
This show went into trouble when Darabont got screwed over by AMC which led to some of the actors associated with Darabont left with him and when AMC screwed Robert Kirkman out of the royalties he was owned to by the network which is way he ended the comic book to screw AMC over.
Forgot they made my boy Carl into a George Foreman Grill.
Stopped when Glen & Abraham died, just ruined the show for me.
I just heard that the spinoffs have already completed filming season 1 and all been renewed. It's all insane.
Full stop, I left the show at Negan. I get it, they needed a bad guy. Okay fine, but cmon they make him invincible? And annoying?? And they make him the main character??? Season 3-6 were amazing. He ruined the show. And it became a no-win downer. Negan ruined the show. How was he supposed to be scary? Annoy you to death?
I'm negan
I’m still a ride or die fan of TWD till the end. I would however love to see another comic accurate version… Much like an Anime. Drawn the same way as the comic and followed exactly the same as the page.
the last time I watched TWD, Hershel died
Oh jeez. That was a *while* ago.
Too far gone! What an amazing episode!
Lol this is still my favorite series/franchise tbh.
well they have made a comeback with their quality of shows recently, though the viewership isn't as good anymore, its not like nobody watches it, a lot of people do, and they are great.
Rick isn’t supposed to be our hero. He’s the groups hero’s, and even then for a time he didn’t even want to be that. With context every kill at 1:00 was justified. He guy he bit was gonna R is son, and the guy he chopped in the head just tried to push a walker on him to kill him. The guy he chopped in the dark church tired to eat him. He’s not supposed to be the high-horsed sherif who runs around saving everyone.
Yeah right! it’s a very strange criticism if it is one
during the first seasons, after they visited a lamb, I was thinking that this whole thing with zombies was leading somewhere!
But after a while, i realized they just wardering around, killing zombies and thats it.
for me its still the best show ever (i watched breaking bad)
I agree it always will be my favorite series ever and I’m looking forward to the spin-offs too
Thank you!
I don't have cable or whatever TWD plays on so I've never watched it except a couple eps on DVD my bud has. But I've watched some of these "down fall" videos and killing off Carl was the worse, imho. Just like Andrew said, Carl was Rick's reason to keep going on and killing Carl off gave him no purpose. Carl could have carried on as a leader. Reason why Carl was killed off the show, was because he was fired on his 18th birthday because they didn't wanna pay Riggs an adult wage. Crazy.
So when are we going to get our game of thrones season 9 remake from you since the start of the new series House of the dragons has came out we really want you to finish that up.
The Walking Dead had a strong start with a mostly good first season.
And then it had the fucking well zombie.
That episode should've killed the series and nobody would've suffered any boredom after that.
The Walking Dead became a zombie of a show, shambling on despite being long deceased. I gave up halfway through the penultimate season because every scene was boring, and even getting that far was a struggle. Bad Bald Woman and her army of goons weren't even much of a threat, plodding around being more an irritant than a fearsome foe. Nearly every interesting character was killed off or left in some other way, and Daryl, Carol and Michonne were just going through the motions. Negan had reclaimed Lucille and his biker jacket in the last episode I completed, but I couldn't have cared less. Does anyone even know the names of most of the characters now?
Great vid! Also do you think you’ll ever finish your GOT rewrite?
Love the walking dead despite its flaws. I think seasons 7/8 were abit rough and boring at times but season 9 and onwards was a great return to form.
Utter nonsense. Negan and Simon are some of the best scenes in TWD.
@@RK-cj4oc agree but the show overall took a dip for me in those seasons. Season 8 was abit better with its non stop energy but season 7 was the season i felt that 16 episode stretched out fatigue
@@tylermunday2146 I do understand what you mean. Again. Negan, simon and rick awesome acting, daryls torture. And Negans brutal introduction carried that season and i understand it might have gone on to long for some people.
@@RK-cj4oc I liked the characters but the seasons were the weakest. Like you said, Simon, Rick and negan were all awsome
the rick movie is now a rick and michonme spin-off, and carol and daryl one is now a daryl spin-off
The ones who live is just as hood as the first 3 seasons 😊
Fax
I used to love this show so much. Seasons 1 and 2 were the best. Season 6 is when I started to slowly lose interest. Then they killed Glen off in such an unnecessarily brutal way. That was just way too much for me and I kind of lost interest for a while. Even when I did decide to finally start watching the show again it was never with any regularity. When they killed off Carl though that was it. I watched only bits and pieces of the show after that. I wanted to see Carl’s transition from a boy into a man in this world. Once he was gone there was really nothing left. Daryl was once my favorite but they never really did anything interesting with his character. So many years I spent with this show and I still haven’t even seen the last two seasons at all. Now they’re coming out with a couple of spinoffs and I probably won’t watch those either.
The walking dead started losing quality after season 3 after they had lost so many of the extraordinary original cast and had failed to create new characters with equal presence as well as the writing and cinematography showing signs of declining. Look at the great moments of seasons 1, 2, and 3 that were leagues ahead of season 4 and onward such as Dr. Jenner telling the group the truth, Rick waking up, the barn scene, Rick killing Shane, Rick losing his sanity, the first shootout in the bar, and many others that were so perfectly written, shot, and acted. After Frank Darabont and Glen Mazarra left the show plummeted so quickly largely (from what I’ve seen) due to Scott Gimple’s failure to understand what the show really is. He made much of the later seasons cheap, over-dramatic, and ultimately lost the show’s tone and suspense of disbelief. I will always hold to the idea that the season 3 finale would have been the best way to end the show after seeing what we have gotten since then. The Governor was defeated, the group had survived despite losing many of the people they loved, and Rick overcame his insanity and brought the survivors of Woodbury, his formerly fierce enemies, into the prison in order to protect them and move forward towards peace, you couldn’t ask for a more fitting ending given the circumstances.
The backlash the writers/ producers got after killing Carl made them give all the main characters plot armour 🙄🤬 now they don't kill anyone off and the show has lost its magic, I stopped watching after the whisperers season...
I'm not sure if you ever watched or read this but is it possible for you to do a fallen franchise episode on Attack on Titan. The third part of the final season is coming out this year and I'm wondering if you can do it before, during or after the anime is over.
Please do Season 9 of your GOT rewrite, it was genuinely well written so far
The sped up montage was hilarious 😂
Like I love the show and excited but the lose ends I dislike and Carl I didn't care for at first. But your right he should grown into a gritty one eyed badass. Like Shane and Rick how they got. Instead RJ 🤠 we get running around smiling in life threatening scenes. Awful
Didn't the guy that played Dale left because of the show runner problem
I 100% agree with this video that's why I dropped Walking Dead at season 5, and I'm glad I did.
After they killed off Glenn and Abraham I was out.
always good to hear someone from the peanut gallery and not have done anything commenting on a show.
When are you doing the season 9 of game of thrones?
to me it died when they arrived in Alexandria, because after the Negan war and making carol a weak character when she was a deadly killer i lost interest, watched some of the whisper war but just wasn't the same which sucks
From what I understand, AMC killed the show from the start (eventually in combination with the comic book writer Kirkman).
The initial showrunner Frank Darabont wanted to start the 2nd season off showing the military fighting against the zombies, ending with the tank zombie that Rick found in season 1. AMC instead wanted to stick the farm because of the cost of set productions. So after arguing with them over finances and getting paid, they fired him at the end of season 1.
His assistant, Glen Mazzara, became showrunner for seasons 2 and 3. He ran into the same problems. AMC not only wanted 16 episodes per season, but also wanted him to stick closely to the comics. 16 episodes per season allows AMC to maximize their advertising. Then spend 2 months in the fall pushing out 8 episodes, take a break for 2 months during the holidays, and then 2 months in the spring pushing out the rest of the season.
The only problem was, there was no material. The comics only came out with 25-30 pages a month, while the weekly show needed 4 hours of entertainment from that one monthly comic. So the show quickly outpaced the comic, and they wouldn't let him create new material or give him the money for new sets. That's why you ended up with a lot of filler episodes that followed people who just died, and you had the main characters doing stupid things just to try and move the plot forward.
Glen Mazzara ended up quitting at the end of season 3 because he could see he was going the same way as Darabont, so they brought on Scott Gimple for seasons 4 through 8. Gimple loved the comics and closely followed them, but that's also why you had repetitive plotlines and character arcs. The characters would learn something, only to unlearn it again the next season, constantly finding and losing their humanity, going back and forth between new settlements.
Gimple tried to embrace the low budget by having characters just wander around in the woods most of the time to cut down on set costs. In order to fill time for the long 16 episode seasons, he tried to spend an entire episode following a single character around, which made the stories hard to follow when you went back to a character from several episodes earlier. Most of the seasons became meaningless filler material that went nowhere.
When the Negan storyline popped up, a lot of the main actors demanded more money from AMC, and in response, they got rid of Carl when he tried to demand the same money as Lincoln, Reedus and Dean Morgan. This pretty much killed the show, and the ended up bringing on Angela Kang on as showrunner in season 9.
Kang quickly went woke and killed off most of the white male cast, focusing mainly on women and minorities. The characters still suffered from fighting all the time and making stupid decisions in order to fill in empty time and move the plot along. Characters would fight and then make up, just to create fake tension. The whole Reapers plot after the Whisperers was just an attempt to fill time. Overall, the writing continually declined until they got to Commonwealth halfway through the last season which still ended poorly.
The worst part is that it could have been a good show without AMC's meddling. If they trimmed it down to 12 or 13 episodes a season like Breaking Bad and Sopranos, and have focused more on producing a good show rather than advertising and expenses, it might have been one of the best shows on television.
Yet I'd rewatch TWD over Game of Thrones after seeing how boring and drawn out it was on the second watch.
Breaking Bad and Better call Saul are both excellent examples when to call it quits.
I think it would be awesome if you reviewed the series _Kingdom_ which is the best zombie TV series I've seen and I'm a huge zombie movie fan. It's 2 seasons of 6 episodes each in addition to a special.
Right now Season 3 is up in the air but I think if enough people make noise then Netflix will greenlight it.
Even though you're right, that lady in the thumbnail seems very upset with you calling The Walking Dead a Fallen Franchise.
I suspect Carl was killed off because Chandler Riggs (who played Carl) is not a strong actor. Chandler Riggs could never have stepped into Andrew Lincoln's thespian boots.
It started off Great and went to shit really fast. A lot of this shit didn't make sense. I.E. Not going to get the rest of the food, or weapons on the ground. Liked the fact they would retrieve their arrows. Crying and having a heart to heart in the middle of battle WTF! Liked that the walkers got weaker but did like they were evolving but took so long. Hated the ending and hated 100 lbs girls beating 300 lbs men tons at a time. Just shoot them, gun powder makes everyone the same side. It was a waist unfortunately.
random question im on season 6 is it still worth watching I see a lot of hate on it and don't know if I should continue with the show
Ehhhh. If yer liking it then keep going but if not u shouldn't punish yerself
TWD Instagram meme Page Community has devolved into half schizo posting half Facebook memes. I swear they are all losing their minds and I’m convinced when the final episode of the spin offs airs they will be set free.
The show was never really just about zombies that’s what a lot of people mistake, even the creator said twd was fundamentally about the survivours and how the world around them shaped and changed them 💯
Only thing I want for a spin of show is a buddy cop show prior to the turn and have tick and Shane just do cop stuff leading up to the turn
I get where you're coming from, I personally liked season 9-11, especially season 9 and 10, they're some of my favourite seasons, but it's such a shame that the show took such a big nose-dive in season 7-8 and that many people left after that, thanks to Gimple's writing and decision making.
But the show is still doing great and has a huge fanbase and viewership so the series isn't dead yet at all, especially with season 10, which is the highest rated season of the series, and the writing for the story and characters has gotten much better since then and I do think that Daryl is a good lead in the show now in my opinion, his dialogue and writing in general has been so much better and he actually has things to do and say again.
Whether you want to give the rest of the series a chance again or not is totally up to you and valid either way, though. I just want to let you know that it does get better and that I would recommend it :)
i dont understand the disdain for S2. I loved S2, the love story of Glenn & Maggie, the differences between Shane & Rick, the slow descent into madness for Shane was amazing to watch. Also, i dont really get the whole killing Carl off thing, like yeah Carl was supposed to be the future of TWD but Chandler Riggs' acting was shoddy at best. He was a nerdy, scrawny teenager trying to play the role of a badass, no nonsense warrior, it was ridiculous, his delivery of his lines was terrible and just had me laughing at him whenever he said anything. Him telling Negan to jump out the window to save him the trouble of killing them was fucking brutal, just laughable honestly, i was glad in the end when they killed carl off.
They need to just end the show, what’s the point of watching a story driven show like that if it just never ends?
TWD, Breaking Bad, and Dexter are my 3 favorites!
When they killed off Glen, it was obvious they were just trying to copy game of thrones with some shocking deaths. I literally didn't finish that episode and turned it off, and never watched the show again. If writers want to ruin a show trying to hop on some hype train nonsense, I'm not going to validate it by watching. Also, with how slow the zombies were, I really had to suspend my disbelief that the world was in such a dystopian state because of it. In reality, these zombies wouldn't be killing anyone and you just kind of had to go along with it...
Glenn died in the comics the same way. Carl on the other hand was supposed to be the hero of the series. It was even eluded to back in season 2.
I liked the first two seasons and that’s about it
Yes I been saying for awhile that the show has not been the same in a long time the first 4 seasons was awesome it was some of the best written tv out there but it just got bad every season after the fourth I still watch the show and this last season has been ok but the show overall is a disappointment it was so good in the early seasons and then it died but I still enjoyed the show and I will rewatch it from time to time
Still waiting for GoT rewrite end!!!!!!
Show REALLY waned after they killed Carl but I stuck it out. But once Rick was gone SO WAS I.
I catch tiny glimpses of these final 2 seasons on CZcams shorts and I’m glad I don’t watch the show anymore. It looks so cheap, production wise and story wise.
That must be why every episode of Walking Dead gets over 2 million viewers, the only thing that’s fallen is this channel that I’ve never even seen before.
Thank you for saying that. I want to say more but I don’t want to get in trouble with CZcams. This channel is only seeking attention. The series is as strong as it ever was. I’m so looking forward to the spin-offs
Lol facts bro it need to be said people still care about the show people stream it on Netflix and AMC plus so there’s still an audience for the show now it might not be as popular as it use to be but people still love bad watch the show and I’m one of them.
wow, nothing wrong with being a big fan but I draw the line when you think being popular mean others can't have different opinion or the show have no flaws, you still love it, others don't and some don't watch but none are wrong so don't be so entitled and learn to be open minded, it just a show mate no need to be that rude. also, you saw the word fallen if you're that sensitive over a fictional show instead of giving an actual argument and just attacking a real person then grow up please. imo the comic version is way better than the tv show.
I've watched the whole series 3 times over and still love it every time, because of one game I played, dayz which is really similar to walking dead
Every year and a half or so I find myself with nothing to watch and wind up thinking for some reason or another “I should rewatch the walking dead”. Then I get to season 7 and I remember all over again that I always stop watching the show around season 7 or 8 because it just gets so damn boring
What I don't understand is, why would they keep making up weird rivals who somehow always want to harm or kill them? It is true that I buy what they say about this scenarios, ''humans are more dangerous than zombies''. But like, at one point it should actually go about zombies, right? They have made like, I don't know, 5 spin offs by now. Same thing, again ang again. A world full of zombies, but the plot is about humans killing each other for who knows what reason. Is it so difficult to crate an enviroment in which zombies are the real danger? Or even the changes the world suffers when there's not enough people to run like it should? Nah. We better create stupid enemies that everyone knows will end up dead at one point, whilst the plot, the characters and the show itself keeps losing interest. The thing is, I read some of the comments people write in the trailer videos, and they love it. HOW? I can't believe it, honestly.
Because zombies don't talk. Would be boring
am i the only one who sees xander from fire emblem fates when i see this avatar
Fear definitely doesn’t outshine the original show. The first three seasons and highly regarded but most still see TWD Seasons 1-5/6 as the best of the show. Half of Fears seasons were complete trash that everybody hated
2:59 why's Daryl giving Rick a battle piggyback?
i wish people who make these videos would understand its a comic book show, i assumed it would go on as long as it did around season 3
I'll be honest. Jeffrey Dean Morgan rescued this show and kept it on life support for 2 seasons. His portrayal of Negan was masterful and if gave much needed gravity to the All Out War storyline.
if i remember correctly, the actor who was playing carl wanted to leave and go to college
You wrong !! Chandlers Riggs aka Carl bought a house near to the set where they were filming as he didn’t want to hassle himself with moving to point A and B as a long distance. So he was pretty shocked when he heard the news
The issue is, is that they took a lot of the realism the show had and turned it into a boring fantasy shit show.
It became boring because you couldn’t relate to the characters anymore. Even the new characters became extremely boring after awhile.
This show could of had so much potential, it’s just sad how it turned out.
I wanna be the next rick grimes 🙏
S2 is not even closely considered the worst season. Lots of people hate the all out war arc or s10,11 much more than s2 . In fact, lots of people like s2 because it was not a overdone soap opera without the main character
if I ever rewatch the show I stop watching at season 8
i genuenly wonder if this guy actually watched the show
season 1 was amazing. had its flaws but most shows do. it introduced us to the characters in a very natural way, the dialogue was amazing, and they had a mix of funny and serious scenes. The zombies were also freakier and more human-like. They were smarter, faster, and even groaned differently. I seriously don't know why they changed it. I think that mutation thing they are adding now in recent seasons and spinoffs is just to close up a plot hole.
season 2 is a massive step down from season 1. it's like comparing True Detective Season 1 to True Detective Season 2. TWD S2 is right. had a lot of stupid scenes and writing decisions. Too many bottle episodes for a 12-episode season. It's almost criminal. But some were entertaining like watching Daryl survive in the woods. Some episodes almost gave me a stroke, like the one with the well. I mean, for all I know it could all have been the same episode. Some S2 episodes were so fucking boring, it felt like it took a lifetime to get thru them. The best thing about season 2 is - in my opinion - Shane's death, how they handled Dale's death, and the whole drama surrounding Randall. I also like Hershel's little character arc and I really like the shootout scene in the bar, with those bandits that Randall was a part of. I was watching that, thinking when Glenn was going to get his chance to kill someone in the future and wondering if it was going to be a big moment. I'll talk more about that when I get to Season 5.
season 3 was awesome. It's hard for me to say it's better than season 1. A lot of people would make the case that S1 is better because it has fewer flaws and better writing. But S3 also has good writing, which surprised me. There are more flaws but it's mainly because S3 is almost three times longer than S1. so of course there are going to be a couple of bottle episodes and writing errors. I love the way they handled Merle's character. in some scenes, he's a little too witty and cheesy. though in most scenes, it's hard not to say he's one of the best characters in the season, even better than Daryl, who was a really cool character at this point in the show. Rick was great. Even Andrea (although she made stupid decisions) was mostly well-written and I felt bad for her when she died. Michonne was a little boring and annoying. The Governor is the star of the season. And at this point, he was my favorite character, right after Shane. Merle became my third favorite. The biggest issue I had with the show was the inclusion of Tyreese, Sasha, and the other people they came into the prison with. Tyreese was likable and decent, but hardly even a character at all. He became more interesting in season 4, though became useless in season 5, which is why they died, cuz the show couldn't just have him live as a normal citizen in Alexandria and have him not take part in combat due to his peaceful nature. NO.
season 4 was both good and disappointing. I thought the first episode was boring as hell. though the following episodes with Hershel saving the sick prisoners and Glenn getting Ebola were pretty good. I was expecting Hershel to get sick and die from it actually. And he probably would've if he didn't get beheaded by the Governor. The episodes focused on The Governor were fantastic. I thought the destruction of the prison was pretty cool but there is a bit of stupidity. First of all, why is the guy in the tank destroying what would soon be his new home? Sure, they can fix fences. But how the hell are they going to reconstruct a full prison? I guess you can just chalk it up to the tank driver being a dunce and The Governor being too fixated on revenge and killing to even bother stopping the guy. Whatever. The best character in season 4 isn't Hershel. great character but he isn't the best in this season. It isn't Rick, though he's a close second. He's the best character in season 5. It isn't Daryl. In fact, this is when Daryl starts being a bit boring as a character. I did like the little bond he had with Beth, though I didn't like how some fans were misinterpreting it as being romantic. Beth is like 17 and Daryl is canonically in his 40s now. I think they were more like siblings. Daryl was probably even a bit fatherly in some instances. The best character in the season was Carol due to her character arc and the things she does. Carl's character got ruined in this season, and it really disappointed me because it seemed as if he was growing up and becoming more serious and dangerous in season 3, only for him to be annoying, whiny, and unrealistically immature in season 4. season 4's finally is probably one of the best cliffhangers and the wait was worth it.
the first few episodes of season 5 were amazing. I love Abraham's character and I liked the twist about Eugene not being a scientist. I think it was great. I also liked Rosita because she's hot, and you gotta have that one hot character. Rick is probably the best character in the first half of season 5. He was truly terrifying. Glenn was great too. Abraham was amazing, even better than Glenn in my opinion. Maggie was starting to get a bit more interesting. though she got bored again. And I couldn't stand Sasha. Carl didn't do much that season and he was getting a little more serious. I feel like the actor is more suited to play characters who don't say much because whenever the writers give Carl a monologue or they have him say something eccentric, it just comes off as forced and stupid. It makes the writing of his dialogue ten times worse than it really is. this was an issue in one or two scenes in season 1 as well. anyways, the worst episodes in season 5 have to be the two middle episodes. I hated how Bob dies in one episode, the next episode or two, Beth dies in the stupidest way possible, and then in the following episode, Tyreese is given a death that should've happened to Noah. Stupid writing and no respect for the characters. The last few episodes were pretty good. I honestly think the show should've ended at that season. because after that, the show went downhill.
Imma just say it quickly, season 6 has a couple of alright episodes but most are dumb or boring. season 7, 8, 9, and so on were BAD BAD BAD. zombie soap operah.
how dare u... ivé said brains long before u
I still like the walking dead. Even if its gone to shit (see s8xe1 of fear for refrence) Ill still watch it. Why? Cause I dont have anything better to do and I like the show.
While I enjoy these videos it feels like this one is less researched than the others. It doesn’t feel like it’s coming from a fan of the show, but more from an outsider perspective.
In about mid season 5 i started getting board with TWD, made it through a few episodes of season 6 and i couldn't watch it any longer. In fact this series tainted the whole zombie genre for me and don't find it interesting. Thank you twd!
Do you have anything on Teen Wolf? Especially now with a movie... It is a "Fallen" Franchise.... C'mon, it had its peak
Honestly I think TWD would have been better as an animated series because it after all was originally a comic series and honestly hearing that the show was pitched to HBO makes me think that this would have been even better. Imagine an animated TWD series sorta like batman the animated series.
Some things I agree with but others I don’t. I feel like this is a very opinionated piece when I expected more of a factual approach like the first half of the video. Discussing the frank darbaont stuff is a legitimate point against the show and I agree with it. But when you go on to say “zombies are the most boring movie monster” and “you can only do so much with zombies. They’re all the same” I just fundamentally disagree.
It seems like you just don’t really care for zombies in general so why would you stick around if you’re not liking the new characters yknow? I’m a lifelong zombie fan and there’s many reasons for me to be interested in them.
Zombies can be whatever the hell you want. I really don’t get the point about werewolves and vampire. Like, they’re all the same pretty much in media too lmao. You can make anything be anything if you’re creative enough. You saying “they’re all the same, they all get shot in the head, they’re all dumb, etc. is just not true. you don’t have to shoot them in the head in the last of us, and lots of zombie media has had somewhat “smart zombies”.
Too be fair to GoT the books aren’t exactly done
anybody that says twd is/was bad at any point has never attempted to sit through season 12-15 of supernatural. Thats all um saying, i watched the entire show right after supernatural and holy fuck the worst of twd was 10x better than late supernatural
The first 2 seasons were great and then after that it just got worse and worse.
Yes, they stayed too long and lost track of the reason why they were the number one show at one time. Good focused stories and not story lines that dragged on for two or three seasons. Oh well....
believe it or not it's even worse now, there's a bunch of pointless spin-offs now so basically the walking dead's become the MCU...
A fallen franchise on Pretty Little Liars would be hilarious given how bat sh!t the entire show was
you should do a fallen franchises on Dallas (1978-1991) the entire show went to shit after season 8
Aha, so that is why the second season sucked so much.
Honestly, I lost interest at that point and haven't engaged with TWD since then.
What used to be an action-packed zombie survival story about a traveling troupe of survivors changed to an interpersonal drama/romance show where they didn't move at all.
The interesting thing about zombie movies is the *moving through the zombie apocalypse* part, not the *building the perfect defense system to restart society in a fortress* bit.
As I gather from the show, they encounter a whole bunch of the latter, but never fit and have to move on.
This is obvious.
As the Prick said: zombies are kinda boring.
Sure, they're dangerous, but since they're not smart all you have to do is somehow solve the "horde problem" with a "perfect defense system" and you're set.
Off the top of my head, thinking about existing structures that would be relatively easy to clear out and defend the prison was the first one I came up with. Not suprising it came up in the show.
Like, come on, you're gonna have to farm inside your fortress, so that you don't have to leave to get supplies. The whole point is to stay inside almost indefinitely or until the zombies all starve or something.
So you need long walls or fences and there's a limited number of pre-existing structures that can cover that kind of open ground situation inside an already defendable setup.
A football stadium, for example, is similar, but because you're not on actually earth that you can farm, but on a thin layer of earth that's above a system of service tunnels, you're gonna have to frequently leave and get supplies, fertilizer, etc.
Plus, the proportions of borders to defend and ground to farm are all wrong, and since there's a million entrances and tunnels underneath it the fortress idea kinda defeats itself.
This cannot work.
And even when you've found your perfect setup and have organized yourself into a community of farmers and defenders, etc. then it just becomes a story about resource scarcity, and a drama about people being cooped up together and unable to leave.
Which might be an interesting combination, but have both been done very well before. Hell, Prison Break was a show that had both.
And it also leads to the whole zombie issue being taken completely out of the show, which is weird concidering the name?
That is why season 2 lost me.
Any idiot can pick a building to fortify and hold, or build a good hideout where the zombie hords will never find them.
The interesting aspect of the roving horde apocalypse is: how do you still move through it, without support, or backup, or civilisation of any kind?
How do you adapt and survive continuously and constantly, in an ever-changing situation?
Putting yourself into a fortress solves those questions and from then on out it's not really a zombie horde apocalypse, it's just a Sims game about fortresses and human interaction.
And I think from what I see TWD did it pretty OK, because they keep moving around, keep finding these "save communities".
But they can never stay, can they, because of the human factors who are "locked up under pressure" the whole time and it's a disaster every time.
You just can't pause for a whole season, I feel, without the show losing all its momentum, and that was season 2 for me.
Correct assessment.
Stopped after season 2. It was trash compared to season 1. Don’t know how anyone kept watching after that
U quit before the best parts u clown, clearly ur a child who needs constant action lmao. A bit of a slower season and ur short attention span gave up lol.
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