The Most CONTROVERSIAL Mountaineering Accident of 2023 - Race to Summit

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  • čas přidán 7. 07. 2024
  • Two women Gina Marie Rzucidlo and Anna Gutu were both fighting for history in 2023. They were trying to become the first American woman to summit all fourteen 8,000'ers, but there competition between each other would lead to one of the most controversial accidents of 2023....This is their story.
    Conditions were challenging on Shishapangma in Tibet, foretelling a high avalanche risk. Many turned back or waited in Base Camp. Many believe that the competition to become the first American woman to climb all 14 8000 meter peaks drove Anna Gutu and Gina Rzucidlo to press upward, resulting in two separate avalanches claiming four lives.
    00:00 - Introduction to Shishapangma disaster
    5:30 - Our sponsor Musa Masala
    6:16 - Angela Benavides of Explorers Web
    11:39 - competition was not friendly
    13:59 - No clear leadership + race to the summit is priority
    16:21 - Process of competition between guiding companies
    +false sense of safety on the mountains
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  • @EverestMystery
    @EverestMystery  Před 6 měsíci +8

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  • @haapysoxoxo5386
    @haapysoxoxo5386 Před 8 měsíci +191

    I like that Angela said that the question to ask is not "Will I make the summit?" but, "Will I get safely back?". If you feel shame in turning around, you don't belong on the mountain.

    • @kkonrad4165
      @kkonrad4165 Před 7 měsíci +11

      @@Mt.Everest. which part of that comment is gossiping? People die on mountains all the time. They have a phrase 'summit fever' for a reason.

    • @pollypockets508
      @pollypockets508 Před 7 měsíci +4

      @@Mt.Everest. I'm annoyed with you not understanding the definition of gossip.

    • @VladRadu-tq1pg
      @VladRadu-tq1pg Před 7 měsíci

      what a clown..@@Mt.Everest.

    • @kegsofvomitspit
      @kegsofvomitspit Před 7 měsíci +11

      I have never climbed in the Himalayas, but I’ve lived in the Rocky Mountains and have climbed many 14ers in my day.
      Always remember: the summit isn’t the destination, it’s the half way point. Descents are riddled with danger and being constantly cognizant of that fact instead of basking in the post-coital glow of a minor accomplishment is in your own best interest. You can pat yourself on the back when you’re back at home.

    • @kegsofvomitspit
      @kegsofvomitspit Před 7 měsíci +5

      @@Mt.Everest.: You are quite literally passing judgement while simultaneously telling others to not pass judgement.
      If lacking self awareness was a sport, you’d be an Olympian draped in more gold medals than Michael Phelps.

  • @JustOutHereTinkering
    @JustOutHereTinkering Před 7 měsíci +110

    I feel like a Sherpa's job should be to guide you on your route, give recommendations on rather its safe to climb, set your timeline, double check equipment and safety apparatus, tell you when to go or turn back.... Specifically "GUIDE" you up the mountain. If you require a Sherpa to pull you up with a short rope or physically carry you down the mountain then you probably have no business making these climbs.

    • @19thnervousbreakdown80
      @19thnervousbreakdown80 Před 4 měsíci

      Maybe. But if you have people who worship the dollar because a trivial amount to you or I could change their future, don't depend on them carrying too much about your health. You better get a guide who deals in the same currency you do. The sherpas and guides know better. What about that? Just because you don't like a certain type of person and will always support another type renders one incapable or honest discourse.

    • @xenophagia
      @xenophagia Před 3 měsíci +2

      ​@@19thnervousbreakdown80???

    • @rudimatt3432
      @rudimatt3432 Před měsícem

      There’s a lot of people in the mountains that have no business being there, but the have the wealth to buy their way in, at least for a time.

  • @rickwrites2612
    @rickwrites2612 Před 7 měsíci +28

    Wow i didnt realize it was Lama Sherpa that died. He had just summited the 14 peaks. What a man. Damn so tragic.

  • @js70371
    @js70371 Před 4 měsíci +19

    The rivalry and competition between these two women led directly to their deaths. Personally, I would not be any more impressed by a person who had climbed fourteen 8000m peaks than I would be by someone who had only climbed one. Great channel you have here. Liked and subscribed from Canada!! 🇨🇦🙏

    • @EverestMystery
      @EverestMystery  Před 4 měsíci +4

      Thank you for watching and thanks so much for subscribing. I will be following the story about the planned retrieval of the four bodies that are still up on the mountain in the spring of 2024. Good having you here

    • @davidrioux611
      @davidrioux611 Před 3 měsíci

      It’s not about 8000 meters. I invite you to read my 2 posts

  • @tsjackson72
    @tsjackson72 Před 8 měsíci +66

    I absolutely LOVE her! This woman is not afraid to be honest instead of gentle and calls a spade a spade. I hope this will lead to saving lives. Go Angela!! I loved this interview and thank you for bringing it to us.

    • @EverestMystery
      @EverestMystery  Před 8 měsíci +9

      Angela is a rock star! Unsung hero 🔥 thanks for watching ~ I’m glad you enjoyed it

    • @tsjackson72
      @tsjackson72 Před 8 měsíci +7

      @@Mt.Everest. Thank you for your input, but I consider her to be heroic. There is nothing that leads me to believe she is a gossip. 4 lives were lost. Perhaps if folks realize the truth might be told, they won't engage in dangerous behavior putting not only their lives at risk but their sherpas' as well. Remember none of the pros went up for a reason.

    • @stanislavkostarnov2157
      @stanislavkostarnov2157 Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@tsjackson72not necessarily a gossip, though quite likely...
      I think she gave her real motive with her "72! too many people summiting" statement... whether a good climber or not, calling a spade a spade, she is quite clearly reaching retirement in her career as a mountaineer... and the fact that climbing the Sacred-Chalices of mountaineering is becoming so commonplace clearly bothers her... what are her achievements if hundreds of climbers have summited the highest most esteemed peaks???
      what people think of as healthy or unhealthy competition is questionable...
      genuinely, big sportsmen/sportswomen often have a nemeses in achieving there goal.... this is probably unhealthy but normal for that high tier.
      one can even say that, arguably, healthy sane people do not go climbing the most dangerous mountains they can set their eyes upon... it is insane to think that going to the mountains is safe, and ones who hire young Sherpa are usually the kind of people who want the help but ultimately make their own decision rather than rely on a guide.

    • @dana102083
      @dana102083 Před 8 měsíci +5

      ​@stanislavkostarnov2157 wow... Annapurna being one of thecmost. And arguably is the most dangerous mountain eith k2..you don't need to be a mountain trainer to know lineups is a death sentence in the death zone, in close areas, avalanche zones and the remoteness. 72 people is absolute insanity when statistically around 30%, that 22 people on the mountain could die.. no more info is needed to make that assessment. To go after her age and ego isn't called for. No one knows anything so best not make any assumptions on either side.

    • @toebeans6568
      @toebeans6568 Před 7 měsíci +1

      ​@dana102083 absolutely agree with you!

  • @djohnson2449
    @djohnson2449 Před 8 měsíci +29

    I hope Angela Benavides comes back for follow-up interview after subsequent coverage. Obviously, a very important topic that needs broadcast. Thank you for video.

    • @EverestMystery
      @EverestMystery  Před 8 měsíci +5

      Angela is a rock star. I'll certainly have her back again sooner than later.... Thanks for watching

  • @divinecommerce3912
    @divinecommerce3912 Před 7 měsíci +14

    Let's start making safety rates more important than Summit rates...

  • @carriemummy
    @carriemummy Před 7 měsíci +22

    I recently watched a documentary of an experienced mountain climber who trained really hard for Everest, including lots of breathing exercises to get his oxygen levels up and he still struggled on the mountain. Then you have people with no mountaineering experience who think they can just go and climb Everest no problem. It's absolutely crazy!

    • @chek6303
      @chek6303 Před 7 měsíci +3

      That is altitude sickness in one sentence. Also, younger people tend to die from it more because they ignore the symptoms

  • @bizzo1954
    @bizzo1954 Před 7 měsíci +14

    "I've said it a thousand times; emotions have no place above 8,000 meters" - Dave Hahn

    • @davidrioux611
      @davidrioux611 Před 3 měsíci

      It’s not about 8000 meters. I invite you to read my 2 posts

  • @sergejmaher144
    @sergejmaher144 Před 8 měsíci +17

    If nims purja and mingma g turn back on their last mountain before the record, u know its time to get the hell out

  • @Nimrod-BuckysHuntingTips
    @Nimrod-BuckysHuntingTips Před 7 měsíci +12

    Another great interview. The mountain doesn't care how beautiful you are or how competitive you are. It doesn't even care about how much or how little experience you have. But,the mountain should be respected and it doesn't look like that's the case here. RIP

  • @melodymacken9788
    @melodymacken9788 Před 8 měsíci +32

    Great interview.
    I feel that egos on a mountain can be dangerous.
    RIP.
    New Zealand 🇳🇿

    • @EverestMystery
      @EverestMystery  Před 8 měsíci +4

      Thank you for watching.....so true about the egos on a mountain...and sad!

  • @aptepushkaraj
    @aptepushkaraj Před 8 měsíci +13

    Two sentences have got etched on my mind.
    1. The mountain dictates the next move
    2. It brings a false sense of invulnerability

  • @brendanoneill1466
    @brendanoneill1466 Před 8 měsíci +34

    Thanks so much for sharing this story. This story made my ears twitch when I read it originally, it just seemed odd. Knowing that there was competition, and not friendly makes it all the more tragic. I really mourn the sherpas and appreciate that you stress their presence.

    • @EverestMystery
      @EverestMystery  Před 8 měsíci +9

      I wrestled with this story and this video for some time, as I feel it's important to truly explain what's happening in the world of mountaineering now. Angela is very honest, and puts the right words into the 8000 meter peak scene. Thanks so much for your support of this channel, and thank you for watching!

    • @davidrioux611
      @davidrioux611 Před 3 měsíci

      Guiding is not viewed the same way in. Himalayas Asia as Europe, North America, Australia or other locations. Labor and route finding and summits are more of a focus.
      They viewed as being accountable from other guiding communities around the world.
      I invite you to read my 2 posted comments.

  • @KatmanJazznBlues
    @KatmanJazznBlues Před 8 měsíci +14

    What a senseless tragedy. Two people who were ready to die to feed their egos. I hope this is a message to people who put getting likes on social media above their own safety.

    • @davidrioux611
      @davidrioux611 Před 3 měsíci

      I believe social media may have influence them as well. I believe other contributing factors. I invite you to read my two post comments

  • @peteredwards5298
    @peteredwards5298 Před 8 měsíci +10

    These mountains are no place for hubris and egos. The lack of respect these climbers are showing towards them is the antithesis of mountaineering

    • @ew6588
      @ew6588 Před 7 měsíci

      Exactly my thoughts. Couldn't have said it better.

  • @raheelhashmi9076
    @raheelhashmi9076 Před 8 měsíci +6

    Angela is always very detailed, authentic and unbiased.

  • @effkay3691
    @effkay3691 Před 7 měsíci +25

    I don’t think a mountaineer dying at 8000 mtrs is a tragedy. Dying at over 8000 mtrs is actually quite expected and completely normal. A tragedy is whilst walking to work of a Monday morning a tree falls on you.

    • @SHARON.I
      @SHARON.I Před 7 měsíci

      🤔wasn't it about the landslide 🤔

    • @CarLa-dn9ms
      @CarLa-dn9ms Před 7 měsíci +5

      Exactly 🤷🏼‍♀️

    • @davidrioux611
      @davidrioux611 Před 3 měsíci

      It’s not about 8000 meters. I invite you to read my 2 posted comments

    • @effkay3691
      @effkay3691 Před 3 měsíci +2

      @@davidrioux611 Yes. It is.

    • @simbalantana4572
      @simbalantana4572 Před 2 měsíci +4

      It's most definitely a tragedy when a Sherpa dies working as a guide to support his family.

  • @kattypatty8581
    @kattypatty8581 Před 7 měsíci +9

    I think we can agree....this should not be called an accident. They didnt want that outcome but they did little to ensure their safety....tho call it an accident is to minimize their responsibility

  • @denim_ak
    @denim_ak Před 7 měsíci +6

    So glad I found this channel

    • @EverestMystery
      @EverestMystery  Před 7 měsíci +3

      I'm glad you found it, as well! Thanks for being here

  • @puma1304
    @puma1304 Před 3 měsíci +3

    Everest expeditions without Sherpas are ABSOLUTELY impossible, but they never get the credit they deserve!!! THEY are the critical factor! And the same applies for all the others involved in logistics (porters, cooks, medics, pilots, etc), which in another way are also essential in all the effort. It would be interesting to know how much they are paid to do such dangerous and indispensable job, is it a fair share of the earnings? And the Nepali Government? how does it spends the money collected in permits and the like? Does it benefit the local communities? perhaps in providing clean water, education or medical facilities? That is a report I would want to see! Greetings from wild, wet, windy and wonderful Western Patagonia, Chile

    • @Tenebarum
      @Tenebarum Před 2 měsíci +1

      Small groups and individuals have summited with no support.

  • @FC-cz6zd
    @FC-cz6zd Před 7 měsíci +6

    Excellent, no nonsense presentation. Seems vanity will, on occasion, win out over humility and maturity.

    • @EverestMystery
      @EverestMystery  Před 7 měsíci +1

      Thanks so much, I agree. I'm glad that you took the time to watch!

  • @robertg.arbuckle6838
    @robertg.arbuckle6838 Před 6 měsíci +3

    Thank you Thom ! I see real people who know real things on your posts. The real people you put on make me ashamed for the people who twist things. Thanks again.

  • @DL-iq5zo
    @DL-iq5zo Před 7 měsíci +3

    I appreciate Angela's clarity and wisdom regarding this incident.

  • @donhearn2248
    @donhearn2248 Před 7 měsíci +9

    Sherpas out there in front of the group running rope to the peak, in some cases towing "record setters" tied behind them .....how is any of that a record.

    • @EverestMystery
      @EverestMystery  Před 7 měsíci +3

      Many ask the same.... thanks for watching!

    • @angelmartin7310
      @angelmartin7310 Před 3 měsíci +2

      Can the sherpas not refuse to continue when things get too dangerous?

  • @lescook9021
    @lescook9021 Před 7 měsíci +19

    I've been fascinated by mountain climbing since the early 1960's when I learned of the 1st successful summit of Everest.
    However since the 1996 tragedy, with the rare exception, I've looked with disdain at most climbers, who aren't actually climbers, but more like baggage.
    Large sums are paid to haul that baggage up to the top and back.
    No lessons were learned from '96 and none have been learned in the tragedies that have occurred since.
    And I don't have much compassion for those who suffer the consequences.
    Exceptions maybe for those who are trying ti earn a living and feed their family.

    • @6Haunted-Days
      @6Haunted-Days Před 7 měsíci

      These were professional climbers not rich people being dragged up the mountain so I’m not sure what you’re even blathering about. Most these 8,000 peaks you’ve always needed help …..weird you’re AOK with it even with the 1st summit of Everest….

    • @lescook9021
      @lescook9021 Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@6Haunted-Days Perhaps a reading comprehension course would help, or maybe mental health treatment

    • @pollypockets508
      @pollypockets508 Před 7 měsíci

      Exceptions maybe?

    • @meredithheath5272
      @meredithheath5272 Před 3 měsíci +1

      I've only seen the beginning of story yet, but those two women look very arrogant.
      I do feel very bad for the Sherpas.

    • @davidrioux611
      @davidrioux611 Před 3 měsíci

      The two women were not professionals. They were being guided Asian guides and being lead in short roping technique. The guides share responsibility for the accounts. I invite you all to read my 2 posted comments.

  • @NefariousEnough
    @NefariousEnough Před 8 měsíci +6

    Thanks again, Thom. Be well.

  • @Dressagevids
    @Dressagevids Před 6 měsíci +5

    The mountain made them equal

  • @emichin7010
    @emichin7010 Před 6 měsíci +3

    As soon as I heard they were ‘short roped’, it was an accident waiting to happen.

  • @frankwitte1022
    @frankwitte1022 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Great interview. It is a sad state of affairs, these races. If a climber puts themselves at risk by stubbornly going against the conditions that is one thing, we can all make assessments of conditions that turn out to be wrong. But if it involves the health and safety of others, caution should always prevail.

  • @SmithTrek
    @SmithTrek Před 4 měsíci +4

    It seems like some people climb with their ego, experience or not if you cannot put the ego aside, the mountains will humble you. And unfortunately, some of these people only learn the lesson when it's too late. Reminds me of the events on Everest in 1996.

    • @EverestMystery
      @EverestMystery  Před 4 měsíci

      yes, so true.... I think we will be hearing more about this story in the spring when teams go searching for their bodies....

    • @davidrioux611
      @davidrioux611 Před 3 měsíci

      Worse I believe. I invite you to read my posted comments.

  • @bangDdrum
    @bangDdrum Před 8 měsíci +6

    Great interview. Been following Angela's coverage carefully during this whole bizarre, needless tragedy. Really sad. Thanks for the thoughtful, insightful interview with Angela and all your fascinating videos.

    • @EverestMystery
      @EverestMystery  Před 8 měsíci

      Thanks for watching, and thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. It means a lot and keeps me stoked to continue bringing more

  • @kamakaziozzie3038
    @kamakaziozzie3038 Před 14 dny

    We love you Thom! You continue to make quality videos about Everest and often include interviews. Don’t know why you sometimes get negative feedback. Just letting you know your content is much appreciated👍

  • @retriever19golden55
    @retriever19golden55 Před 3 měsíci +3

    As opposed to Hilary and Tenzing, who told everyone they had summitted simultaneously.

  • @trekkitindia
    @trekkitindia Před 7 měsíci +1

    Great Initiative ! Thankyou so much for sharing this !

  • @deroux
    @deroux Před 8 měsíci +1

    Great talk you two. Thank you.

  • @mariavieira6438
    @mariavieira6438 Před 8 měsíci +6

    Love your channel. When I saw the news, I thought was so oddly that there was two women after the same record. Thank you for explaining and thanks for being kind telling the history. I will dig more to your channel bcs I want to learn more about your life too!

    • @EverestMystery
      @EverestMystery  Před 8 měsíci

      Thank you and welcome! There is some good content on the way ~ good to have you here

  • @doreendaykin6693
    @doreendaykin6693 Před 7 měsíci +4

    Respect & gratitude for the info, honesty and sharing! This was an excellent interview. 🙏💙

  • @alaskabarb8089
    @alaskabarb8089 Před 7 měsíci +8

    I always look forward to, and appreciate, Angela’s experienced, well-balanced reporting reporting on mountaineering news, especially in the Himalayas/Karakoram regions.
    Yes, the pressure of summit successes for commercial outfitters contributes to the statistics.
    But also just individuals’ competitive need for ever more individualized, extreme “firsts,” to elicit notoriety and sponsorships. “First ascent, first American ascent, first American ascent of all 8,000ers, youngest American, to whatever- youngest American amputee with asthma who skis and BASE jumps in a wing suit off the summit,” increases urgency and risk in an already hazardous sport.

    • @EverestMystery
      @EverestMystery  Před 7 měsíci +1

      Thank you for watching and for your thoughts. Angela is spot on....damn good writer and super thoughtful and insightful. You can be assured I'll ask her for another interview sooner than later. Thanks again : )

    • @davidrioux611
      @davidrioux611 Před 3 měsíci

      I agree with some of perspective on commercialized guiding. and for recorded achievements. I invite you to read my 2 posted comments.
      I add they may have in fact been chasing first American woman to summit all 14 , but elite definitely not. They have been guided through there ascents.

  • @virginia2949
    @virginia2949 Před 4 měsíci +1

    One needs to park their ego at Basecamp if they are attempting to climb to the summit. Myself - I park my butt in front of the YT video about climbing there.. and enjoy it immensely - Thank you!

  • @jimmirogers3485
    @jimmirogers3485 Před 7 měsíci +3

    This exact conversation has been going on since the mid/late 90s after the 96 disaster and Krakauers book "into thin air" came out. How do we stop this from happening? What went wrong?, why are so many undersigned climbers on that mountain? These 2 ladies were nit climbers they were riders... being short roped isn't climbing and should not count as a legitimate summit .. it won't chance until the country's that issue permits to climb decide to do something... guide companies won't self police ..

  • @Thankyou423.3
    @Thankyou423.3 Před 8 měsíci +6

    Great conversation, thank you for this

  • @humbertsmith8864
    @humbertsmith8864 Před 8 měsíci +10

    Hmmm...maybe the mountain DID know what was happening, the motivations, the egos, the games being played...and decided "enough is enough". So sorry for the lives of these Sherpas in particular. Great presentation as usual Thom.

    • @EverestMystery
      @EverestMystery  Před 8 měsíci

      Thanks so much for watching! Appreciate your thoughts

    • @pollypockets508
      @pollypockets508 Před 7 měsíci +2

      I feel really bad for the Sherpas. And angry at their egos meaning the deaths of noble people who need to take care of their family.

    • @humbertsmith8864
      @humbertsmith8864 Před 7 měsíci

      Beautifully put!@@pollypockets508

    • @angelmartin7310
      @angelmartin7310 Před 3 měsíci

      ​@@pollypockets508do Sherpas never refuse to keep going when conditions are unsafe?

  • @FatLittleBirdtheThird
    @FatLittleBirdtheThird Před 7 měsíci +10

    I am not a mountaineer, but am a big outdoorswoman-all with minimal danger. I watch videos like this because I’m interested in learning about decisions these mountaineers make and try to understand why they choose to take such risk when are not prepared. This interest goes beyond mountaineering. Why do people make drastic decisions; ones that will change your life and those around you and you can’t take them back.

  • @Trish.Norman
    @Trish.Norman Před 8 měsíci +6

    Thom, thank you for posting. “What we have here is a failure to communicate.” -Cool Hand Luke movie Clearly, there was a lack of leadership and a chain of command in this instance. “Leadership isn’t one person leading a team. It is a group of leaders, working up and down the chain of command to lead” -Jocko Willink
    (Nims should have known this better than anyone.)

    • @EverestMystery
      @EverestMystery  Před 7 měsíci +4

      Excellent insight....yes. A bunch of little mistakes and oversights led to the loss of four lives. It was very careless and unnecessary. Thanks for watching Trish!

  • @crusader.survivor
    @crusader.survivor Před 7 měsíci +6

    Anyone climbing with Sherpas, I regard as babysitting noobs!
    Sherpa does all the work for at least 2 people. Sherpas should get all the accolades!
    Summitting recognition should only be for individuals achieved without a Sherpa!

    • @angelmartin7310
      @angelmartin7310 Před 3 měsíci +1

      I agree but I also think Sherpas should turn around when conditions are too unsafe

  • @bridget1780
    @bridget1780 Před 6 měsíci +3

    Foolishness if a person must rely on someone else to get them to the top. If they're not strong enough, don't go!

  • @Mattipedersen
    @Mattipedersen Před 3 měsíci +4

    These two woman clearly had no business being up there in the first place. Even if they did make it to the summit of all 14 peaks, the accomplishment would always be undervalued by the fact that a Sherpa had to pull them up the mountain. They may stand on the peak, but can someone like that really say that they conquered the mountain. The people in this category definitely deserve an asterisk in relation to their supposed "accomplishment"..

  • @davidpeters3857
    @davidpeters3857 Před 8 měsíci +2

    Excellent,informative content

    • @EverestMystery
      @EverestMystery  Před 8 měsíci +1

      I really appreciate that you took the time to watch, thank you

  • @anthonysears871
    @anthonysears871 Před 7 měsíci +4

    "What do you mean avalanches don't discriminate. But I'm rich!"

  • @tomk3732
    @tomk3732 Před 8 měsíci +7

    I just came off Manaslu and for fun I checked the weather as climbing season on Manaslu ends on October 3rd. BC was already dismantled on September 30th. So no one actually went to the very end...
    Well, turns out local have a good sense of weather as when I checked the weather few days after it was terrible - not just Manaslu, Cho Oyu but also Shishsapangma. Winds were terrible - like up to 100km/h suspended. There was lots of snow. No sane person would have gone in such bad conditions. Fresh snow + heavy wind + 30+ slope. Come on.
    The two avalanche death shows total ignorance.
    Going straight for the summit is standard after doing 8000er on oxygen. They were on oxygen even in BC (some say camp 1).
    The both could have raced later or even next season in spring.
    18:14 the problem here is not as she describes - a lot of guides will use "safety" to simply not go to the top, its a big problem.

    • @EverestMystery
      @EverestMystery  Před 8 měsíci +3

      Super cool that you were on Manaslu. I have some pretty cool videos and shorts about Manaslu on this channel, starting with the horrible weather last year in the fall, and the loss of Hilaree Nelson from the summit. Sounds like you know your stuff, it's good to have you here and for you to share your thoughts. Thank you

    • @dana102083
      @dana102083 Před 8 měsíci +1

      I totally agree and I'm a couch mountaineer! Kudos to your mountain tain successes/therapy. It's totally new to me to hear guides are refusing g to summit when it's possible to go-- do you think word of mouth is not enough in this community and to go elsewhere? Do you have any specific examples (really curious).
      But this seems like a suicide mission and the only logic seems to be competition. RIP

    • @davidrioux611
      @davidrioux611 Před 3 měsíci

      Very interesting. I wrote two comments posted early I invite to read . I believe you will find my take of interest.
      I have been critical of both women, but was sure to give them credit for physiological adaptations based on prior ascents of other 8000 meter ascents. But participating in using oxygen early question myself, their decisions early on or even their physical status.
      I presume they were using oxygen early as an additional advantage and not recovering still from a previous climb or not allowing enough time for acclimatization. It’s important to track what the body is doing at lower altitude before oxygen is used or needed at high altitude. It’s been recorded the more used the possibility of higher complications if you run out. Debatable. Using oxygen early would improve performance through ascent but I believe would have a negative effect on acclimatization. Also performing with that aid negates any credit I was giving them for being physiologically well adapted!

  • @picahudsoniaunflocked5426
    @picahudsoniaunflocked5426 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Not sure why YT turned this up for me but it was great, much food for thought.

  • @kristymoore7052
    @kristymoore7052 Před 7 měsíci +3

    So ridiculously tragic. Nature doesn’t care.

  • @Harryjmacneil
    @Harryjmacneil Před 7 měsíci +5

    Ego can kill!

    • @EverestMystery
      @EverestMystery  Před 7 měsíci

      It certainly hinders good vision and decision making! Thanks for watching

  • @cypriano8763
    @cypriano8763 Před 2 měsíci +1

    with my experience with backcountry skiing its always astounding how many risks some people take with avalanches in the himalaya and karakoram. to me its like having a death wish. you look at the south face of anapurna for example, its so exposed, how could a rational human who understands avalanches decide to go up there. crazy risk tolerance

  • @Chief-Solarize
    @Chief-Solarize Před 8 měsíci +7

    This is tragic but I must mention it reminds me of the kid on the Tinan sub. He wanted to solve a Rubix cube 4000m under the ocean for a world record. Instead of going to Titanic for the experience he also wanted to be famous for something so he took the cube.
    Don't let vanity control your actions people.

    • @mattk8810
      @mattk8810 Před 7 měsíci +6

      The kid was pressured to go by his dad and made something of it.
      Do you research before talking nonsense

    • @orfamayQ
      @orfamayQ Před 7 měsíci +3

      @@mattk8810 That's right, we do not know what really happened, his mother gives a very different account than his aunt, the rubik's cube thing is really stupid and vain, but I think that he wasn't that serious about it and it seems it was more about father's day and making his dad happy. We will never know, so we shouldn't judge.
      One thing is for sure, his mother makes him look like a rich spoiled sucker by telling the rubik's cube detail with so much pride, as if he achieved something (that said, solving a rubik's cube is impressive enough for me, I wish he could have lived to do that on sea level for many decades to come, poor lad).

    • @Chief-Solarize
      @Chief-Solarize Před 6 měsíci

      @@mattk8810
      I know light-years more than you about that sub and Rubix cubes ..... and I'm allowed to voice opinions online. Now if you want to report me to CZcams for voicing an opinion based on facts go right ahead snowflake.

  • @davidbriseno7719
    @davidbriseno7719 Před 7 měsíci +6

    I understand that some folks have a bucket list as they get older. We need to understand that when we do these activities, we not only put ourselves at risk but that puts others in your party at risk.

  • @butterfliesarefreetofly6964
    @butterfliesarefreetofly6964 Před 6 měsíci +3

    They were both greedy in getting to the top & ‘conquer’ the mountain. But the mountain had to humble them. They both put caution to the wind.

    • @EverestMystery
      @EverestMystery  Před 6 měsíci +2

      From all that I've seen and heard, you are correct....and two fine guides were pulled into it.

  • @Target..1
    @Target..1 Před 8 měsíci +7

    Ones again ego money and search of fame have caused a tragedy
    None of these are a reason to climb any mountain and will always result in outcomes like this

  • @gaypreator8547
    @gaypreator8547 Před 6 měsíci +2

    Inexperienced individuals, social media driven stupidity. Sad-sad, sorry I do not feel sorry for those women, but heart breaking for those young Sherpa’s that did not say “No”. No means no. Agree with if you feel shame in turning back you are not qualified to climb.

  • @strummercash5601
    @strummercash5601 Před 23 dny

    Just found this channel by the grace of the Gods of Algorithms. The stories are riveting and fascinating, your presentation is fair, insightful, honest, and delivered with humility, empathy, and grace.
    (Plus a very pleasant voice for listening.
    Anyway, thank you for great content.
    🙏🏽✌🏽💙 from Minnesota

  • @ismailsamsodien2850
    @ismailsamsodien2850 Před 7 měsíci +2

    These 2 are experienced climbers and have lived to see a good age, because they respected the mountain and allowed the mountain to dictate the next move.
    I personally don't see the appeal of doing what climbers do. So I will nor be putting myself in any such risk. But to those who do such adventures be safe and listen to the mountain

  • @CPE1704TK5
    @CPE1704TK5 Před 3 měsíci +1

    17:00 this pearl made me think of it a bit like this if we have been conditioned over time to “queue” and be more compliant and if the climbers aren’t the trailblazers that they once were… if you need a certain amount of success financially it could mean you need to succeed within certain frameworks so a level of compliance… there’s some sort of equation here I’m sure but I’m rubbish at maths
    17:33 they havnt got the memo that they aren’t the trailblazers maybe because of the advertising

  • @somjasa
    @somjasa Před 8 měsíci +4

    People's hubris has no limits...

  • @lifesahobby
    @lifesahobby Před 8 měsíci +6

    Competition is so old school 1980s to me .
    Whilst teaching kids tennis i realised the damage competition causes.
    Great interview and presentation .
    Its a pity how they can call themselves professionals . If you die its not a profession. Especially tracking a record .
    But with that said , personal determination is such a difficult thing to turn off .
    RIP

    • @EverestMystery
      @EverestMystery  Před 8 měsíci +1

      Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts. I agree....

    • @snicole042
      @snicole042 Před 8 měsíci +1

      Competition isn’t for everyone but ultimately it’s quite healthy. Many factors in play; determination, skill, and the ability to be okay with “losing”.

    • @susannahfox7188
      @susannahfox7188 Před 7 měsíci +2

      Seems to me there was a strong dose of narcissism in the mix as well.

  • @samkelomambisa1897
    @samkelomambisa1897 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Wow. I'd like to know the story of exactly how it came to be that they both ended up with this one mountain to conquer. Same day.

  • @mybrothakeeper7020
    @mybrothakeeper7020 Před 4 měsíci +3

    So their ego selfishness killed them

  • @CarLa-dn9ms
    @CarLa-dn9ms Před 7 měsíci +5

    Maybe unpopular opinion:
    If they wanna risk their life (bc of ego), why bothering? Why should there more precautions? Why should there be restrictions? They wanna risk everything to make it into history. Let them.
    There are many very risky sports out there. Less complaints about them. Some do it especially bc of that. Shark diving, motorsports, climbing in general etc.
    If their families can't stop them why should strangers do it?
    There is still self-determination right? 🤔
    (*real interested)

    • @Ali_Ali509
      @Ali_Ali509 Před 3 měsíci +3

      Well if I may present my opinion, the commercialization put in danger real mountaineers. I saw an interview with retired high altitude mounteneer who climbed all 14 highest mountains withiout oxygen and he said, that he would not go to those mountains now because there is so much people who create litterally traffic jams and put others in danger.

    • @CarLa-dn9ms
      @CarLa-dn9ms Před 2 měsíci

      @@Ali_Ali509 I think I have seen this too. And sure, if you are a danger to others, you should be removed. But if you are only a danger to yourself, it's just on you.

    • @Ali_Ali509
      @Ali_Ali509 Před 2 měsíci

      @@CarLa-dn9ms Yeah, but you never know in advance.

  • @davidrioux611
    @davidrioux611 Před 3 měsíci +2

    Everyone is focusing on 8000 meters. These conditions and weather exists at 800 meters.
    Yes 7,200 meters less.
    8000 meters specifically designates oxygen levels in air composition.
    Understanding this changes evaluation of environment at any altitude.
    Both women had needed physiological adaptations proven with other 8000 meter ascents.
    They still lacked overall experience and technical skills and experience. They have been guided through all of their other ascents.
    Former IMCS Guide, Ice and Rock climbing instructor, White MTN MRS

    • @EverestMystery
      @EverestMystery  Před 3 měsíci +2

      David, thank you, great having you here....you are absolutely spot on with your observations. Really cool you were with IMCS....that's what got me started in this thing, many moons ago back in the 80's. Cheers and thanks for being here!

    • @SmithTrek
      @SmithTrek Před 3 měsíci +1

      Absolutely I could agree, just as a tree climber myself, I can say I was told a very important lesson from one of my foremen I look up to who said, you can climb all the trees in the world with no problem, get to the top of 100'-200' Oak tree but it's the 20' Mulberry that could end you with simple mistakes! Lots of lessons to be learned for sure, and I continue to learn !

  • @darksoul479
    @darksoul479 Před měsícem +1

    There's a fine line between a hero and a fool.

  • @cyndiborys5087
    @cyndiborys5087 Před měsícem

    Physics!! Truth!!!

  • @carolbradley4845
    @carolbradley4845 Před 7 měsíci +3

    I have one word for this. Ego

  • @Za7a7aZ
    @Za7a7aZ Před 7 měsíci +2

    The sherpas very experienced...their clients very experienced and all making a simple and lethal mistake...its not a game climbing these tops

  • @ExhaustedNik
    @ExhaustedNik Před 5 měsíci +2

    as a nepali i would say not only completion with other climbers but also the record set one after another and everyone wants to be the person to set record they fail to take in safe concerns

    • @EverestMystery
      @EverestMystery  Před 5 měsíci

      So glad you took the time to watch and to share your thoughts. It's wonderful having you here! thank you

  • @DavetheTrader420
    @DavetheTrader420 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Nimsdai and team had brought Anna and mingmar down to camp 2, he’s returning April 2024 to retrieve the bodies and bring them home!

  • @iAmazingGrace
    @iAmazingGrace Před 3 měsíci

    I’m a climber and mountaineer that always follow Ueli Steck’s words: “Climbing is not a competition”.
    Because I think mountaineering is too dangerous to start getting “rivalries” or trying to push your limits to much etc

  • @czarcastic1458
    @czarcastic1458 Před 8 měsíci +9

    No thanks, I prefer sea level, 72 degrees F and a barometric pressure of 29.92. The mountains sure attract some Darwin award winners. Great stuff thanks . Get ready to bust out your bird feeders.

    • @EverestMystery
      @EverestMystery  Před 8 měsíci +2

      Bird feeder season is upon us....haven't seen many bears this year, so the feeders should be safe Thanks for watching!

  • @peek-a-moose2491
    @peek-a-moose2491 Před 4 měsíci +3

    Irresponsible women who were chasing a false dream of being the first woman to climb all fourteen 8,000 meter mountain peaks. Irresponsible expedition companies and possible questionable leadership. Collaboration and cooperation was not their game -- which is the opposite of mountain climbing. You cannot celebrate the summit until you are down. Personally, I don't like summit celebrations at the top, because the goal is not over until you have returned safely. This competition for record breaking and being the first at this and that has definitely proven to be a liability not only for mountain climbing, but for backpackers and people in other sports. There are more and more stories of people dying needlessly. Not bringing the right equipment, not making logical decisions and being selfish. The families of the Sherpas who died and got injured hopefully have contacted a good American ambulance chaser. Climbers must always collaborate. We don't know what casued the avalanche, but we do know both women walked off theregular route in new snow and very dangerous avalanche conditions. It is not unusual to trigger an avalanche by walking on unstable snow. I have seen avalanches, but thankfully never got caught in one. They are beautiful and extraordinary to watch from a safe distance. We must remember the collaboration of Sir Edmund Hillary and Tenzing Norgay! They shared the glory and got bac k down to celebrate with their friends and families....

  • @trinity6993
    @trinity6993 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Omg!!

  • @robertpresha9504
    @robertpresha9504 Před 6 měsíci +2

    I worked serch and rescue on the mountains..It does not matter how good you are once you get beyond 8000 feet you are dieing or dead.And if you push it too far and cross that line you will stay up there.Most of the best climbers in the world are dead. It is nature and bad calls.Now it is money getting people killed. If you have never climbed a mountain before in your life and jump on everest well your chance of staying alive is slim .And if you make it to the top and come back down you are a bad ass in my book and hats off to you.And they say the death zone is 26.000 feet.😅 It starts way before that .

    • @EverestMystery
      @EverestMystery  Před 6 měsíci +1

      Awesome to hear from a rescue professional...thank you for taking the time to watch and to share your insights!

  • @kgejalaxmikanthaswamy5551
    @kgejalaxmikanthaswamy5551 Před 7 měsíci +2

    The mountain won the race.

  • @johnreilly8672
    @johnreilly8672 Před 6 měsíci

    Blows my mind they were on the same mountain going for the brass ring? RIP ladies.

  • @Badgerlife
    @Badgerlife Před 7 měsíci +4

    Climbing is not a sport when you walk over dying or dead people!

    • @EverestMystery
      @EverestMystery  Před 7 měsíci

      For sure....not sure if you have seen this video of Kristin Harila detailing her experience on K2 this year: czcams.com/video/gyIuZBBBAFk/video.html
      Thanks for watching this video!

  • @rocketrider1405
    @rocketrider1405 Před 7 měsíci +2

    The ‘without supplemental oxygen’ thing always strikes me as odd. If the Sherpa are genetically predisposed to function at high altitude then that gives them an at-birth advantage over most others. So why do non-Sherpa climbers think it’s a badge of honor to not use oxygen canisters when they actually probably should?

  • @fiddlersthree8463
    @fiddlersthree8463 Před 4 měsíci +3

    The Desperate Housewives of Everest.

    • @EverestMystery
      @EverestMystery  Před 4 měsíci +1

      Single, highly motivated and....unfortunately, caught up in a race against a mountain that could care less about a human life. Thank you for watching!

  • @lovehealthgratitude
    @lovehealthgratitude Před 6 měsíci +1

    CORRECTION: Anna and Mingmar were recovered after the first avalanche. Gina and Tenjen are still missing on the mountain. 💔

    • @EverestMystery
      @EverestMystery  Před 6 měsíci

      I must not have been paying attention when doing the narration, as I do know this. Thank you for mentioning it and thanks for watching the video!

  • @sterlingmatsui154
    @sterlingmatsui154 Před měsícem +1

    Reckless ambition led to foolish and selfish decisions~May the Sherpas RIP☆♡☆!!

  • @veroniquepare9394
    @veroniquepare9394 Před 7 měsíci +3

    Quand vous payez des milliers de dollars pour une expédition qui a pour but de vous faire atteindre un sommet, faire demi-tour - même pour des raisons de sécurité - sans y être arrivé peut créer des conflits intérieurs chez plusieurs. On peut devenir facilement aveuglé. Ajoutez la compétition malsaine à cela et tous les ingrédients sont réunis pour une catastrophe. 🤷🏻‍♀️

  • @h.nguyen4193
    @h.nguyen4193 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Climbing has been a money industry for the last 2 decades. The only way to save climbing now is to either close everything done or do the opposite and open everything up and not care who lives and dies. Just like car accidents.

  • @DrRockso0
    @DrRockso0 Před 3 měsíci

    Summit fever seems to be getting ahold of even the more elite expedition company’s. Summit fever is a real thing, but there always has to be the expedition leader making the big decisions.

  • @meredithheath5272
    @meredithheath5272 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Comes down to Money - and quantity over quality.

  • @AkarshGoel32
    @AkarshGoel32 Před 5 měsíci +1

    18:45 she is talking about NIMS PURJA

  • @peckerwood780
    @peckerwood780 Před 2 měsíci

    No matter how talented or prepared you are, no one can dodge an avalanche. I get it tho it'd be like not driving because you may see a wreck.

  • @lifesahobby
    @lifesahobby Před 8 měsíci +1

    Women on the moon ❤

  • @rudimatt3432
    @rudimatt3432 Před měsícem +1

    Hobbies for the elites.

  • @fernandoPessoa8
    @fernandoPessoa8 Před 6 měsíci +1

    I think the question of the decisive cause of such "competitions" is the sponsors. Nasty companies wave their bulging wallets so that they can later sell a "message" for companies, managers and thrillseekers. A mountaineer who fulfills such experience values is worth her weight in gold for such companies. They lure every athlete and adventurer with career prospects. Here in Switzerland, selling experience is big business. I know, because I work with it myself. Companies like the juice manufacturer with the bulls prepare the foundations and local "Find your personal goal" companies gratefully take over and pay handsomely

  • @Wg-zx5ve
    @Wg-zx5ve Před 7 měsíci

    Did Nims Purja and Migma G pass away also?

  • @thegorn
    @thegorn Před 4 měsíci

    A rose for our dead lady friends 🌹

  • @jacquigonzalez5447
    @jacquigonzalez5447 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Seriously? Shouldn’t be expected to stand up to a cruel and demanding employer. They are in a position of power, and as an employee, I am at their mercy. The porters are victims.