As a Christian it still feels really offensive. Regardless of whether or not it was a real church, it was a depiction of one. The imagery itself is what’s wrong. Religion shouldn’t be dismissed just because people do and don’t believe in it. Remember that religion is also a way of life - a culture - for many people. Different cultures are to be respected. I’m just disappointed that I can no longer support Le Sserafim after this, especially with Yunjin being one of my favorite artists.
As Christians let's not support minors in kpop group, toxic infustry with lot of abuse and sexual abuse and not support child work❗ I'm happy you unfollow them and hope you'll find healthier singers to stan like Bibi or Soyeon they're all a bout women empowerment and mote healthily uplifting
Exactly it’s this and the Choreography… People defended it but if you watch the full thing you can see them getting down with their legs “Open” Shaking their buts in The video people brush it off just bc it happens everywhere…
Church or not they disrespect Christianity. The Mary and Jesus copy, wearing a cross and devil horns. A lot of songs have biblical concepts about embracing sin. You can say “I’m a bad girl and idc” w/o disrespecting Christianity smh. Anyway it’s between them and God
Imagine if the music video was taken in a mosque, people would have been going crazy. church or mosque it doesn’t matter that’s just outright disrespectful! The other depictions in the music video like the nuns bowing down to them is just disgusting. Plus yunjin drinking Starbucks during the boycott when she one hundred percent knows what’s going on coz she’s so “woke” and wants to “change” the kpop industry is so problematic. It’s honestly disappointing how people try to defend kpop idols because their companies force them to do this stuff, that excuse has gotten old. These are grown ass people we’re talking about, they have their own morals and mindsets and they show it to us every day. They need to be held accountable. And I don’t play about innocent lives being taken, free palestine 🇵🇸
please do not say 17 year olds are mature beings 😭 you'll realize as you grow up and think about how stupid your younger self was. im not saying that eunchae is immature, but she's the maknae, she's babied and coddled by her group and the fans alike. from what ive observed, that makes her want to act grown up all the more, and those are all the wrong reasons to appear more mature. its only natural for someone of her age to want to grow up and act all adult-y, you wont understand then that yknow growing old is not really all that jazz and to cherish your teens some more. as you said, just because she would be sexualized no matter what she does, should not mean we're actively thrusting choreos on them that call for such attention!!
If this wouldn’t be tolerated for other beliefs and religions, why should it be tolerated for Christianity?? The fact it’s not a “real” church is not a valid argument, it still represents one and a church structure is based on religion, so why was it even necessary when it has nothing to do with the song?!
The line of argument that I keep seeing that' there are 15 year olds that are dancing and dressing more provocatively or whatever ' is very weak. This is more so just highlighting the hypersexualisation of teens in our society. Also dancing in your room or in your dance studio is not the same as dancing in-front of a large audience broadcasted permanently on the internet with an even larger audience. I believe the reason people are mostly upset is because this is not an isolated issue, eunchae has been receiving sexual dances since debut (fearless mv with also a 16 year old garam). But I don't expect most kpop fans to understand this since much of them are very young. I need kpop fans to stop, breathe and realise not all forms of constructive criticism are hate towards their fave groups.
Maybe I'm not in the right circle for it, but I feel like I don't see many people talk about how young Eunchae is. Le Sserafim has always had pretty suggestive/grown up choreo and concepts, which is alarming to me. People express discomfort with NewJeans, how young they are and their music/lyrics (which I agree with), but I'd argue that Le Sserafim's choreo and styling can be even worse for a group that still has an underage member?
Yall before the live of lesserafim preforming their new album and i saw the chat and was absolutely disgusted. Someone said "lesserafim flops ive is better" "eunchae is useless"the only thing eunchae is good is for making babies" like bbg its a f_cking minor you're talking about?!
only commenting on what concerns me most, here we go! the church issue: honestly, as a christian we shouldn't bash the members neither the entertainment but the owner/priest etc about letting anyone film in the church. though, i'm concerned by how many people use the excuse "many people film there", 1. just because multiple people film there doesn't make it right to film there. 2. it dissapoints me when christians are called "sensitive" for bringing up an issue like these. (ik it's not a real church but still, not most would've known this) the Smart song; honestly, period for them. i love the song, the vibes everything. just further proves that black people influence the whole genre of not only kpop but music itself. the pronounciation, they have to say "smartah" so it fits the song, so it sounds more like "i'm smart uh, baby smart uh" . the choreo: though 17 is still a minor, it's practically a stage of maturity..thing is y'all (as in those guilty of doing so) baby her too much like she's 5 years old. many dancers including myself (i'm 16) dance to a lot of dances like these, and the ones seeing it as sexual are the real creeps here. also to add, the dance they're doing is common in africa, like the Water challenge, minors were doing it. if you're weird about it, just know, in this world whatever women do, there's something wrong with it. we can't win. *another "issue" i saw on tiktok* the song not being kpop-y: mbrrr times change yall, new sounds come up, new inspirations, new everything. i'm sure y'all wont like the same snoozefest all the time right? kpop is still kpop, this song is kpop because it's perfomed by a KOREAN girl group in a KOREA entertainment company based in KOREA singing KOREAN (get where i'm going?). as k-pop is discovered around the world, there's no way it won't be influenced by the western world. if you don't like it, listen to kpop when it used to be "kpop" then. lolzz uh anyway, i doubt anyone will read this but i wanted to share my thoughts! Peace out
THERE SAY IT LOUDER!!! Especially on the dance part bc it’s not sexual or inappropriate. It’s part of black culture and many girls her age do that dances.
I think the debate about the “church” music video is not something we should minimize. Yes it’s not really in a church but it does disrespect Christianity and we can clearly see blasphemy in the mv. If it was another religion people wouldn’t minimize it
Part of the reason why Christianity is taken as a joke is because one, we Christian’s aren’t united and we fight amongst ourselves (about the most irrelevant topics), how can we be taken seriously if we “can’t figure out our own faith?” And two, because Christianity is the one and only truth. The Bible says “you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” (John 8:32 CSB) And, “”Jesus told him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.“ (John 14:6 CSB). People hate the truth, so they’d do anything possible to dismiss it, or downplay it. Hence the vulgar dancing and subliminal messages presented in a church (this church in particular seemed catholic, either way it is still a holy place of worship and should be treated as such). This MV, along with others who mock God are inexcusable, whether it’s towards Christianity, Islam or Hinduism, it doesn’t matter, defamation of a religion, or faith should be taken seriously. ”Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness, who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.“ (Isaiah 5:20 CSB)
where I come from, in most cases, you are not even allowed to enter a church while wearing hats, shorts or sleeveless tops, generally you should be dressed „modestly” in order to not be disrespectful (doesn’t matter if you are a tourist or come there to pray, the rule applies to everyone), so I totally understand why someone might find it offensive; I didn’t know it was just a filming venue and not a real church, but it’s not really clear while watching video, still they are using christianity as an „aesthetic” which I don’t think is the best idea but what can we do about it 🤷🏼♀️
People only care if it’s not Christian. I’m not religious but using Christianity for aesthetic is always fine but any other religion people care about. Even if it’s not church this goes in general. And idk why I thought they were saying smart talk instead of smartah
I think people should be more offended that Christianity as an aesthetic than they filmed at a fake church. Also Eunchae is still a child. Doesnt matter if she's "mature". That dance will just let people justify sexualisation
yes thank you, i feel like ppl that think it's fine for a minor to dance like that bcs they live in a hypersexualized culture that normalized those stuffs..even if eunchae was fine with it doesn't make it ok attack me as much as y'all want, this is just my two cents
it wasnt filmed in a church at all. it was filmed in a theater. also, eunchae is not 2 years old. she is 17. yes, she is still a minor, and no matter what happens ppl will still sexualize her, but she is not a child. i dont think that dance should be classified as twerking cause its a traditional african dance and was never ever classified as twerking.
I just think it's silly that all these people fall for the engagement bait of these companies over and OVER again. This is exactly why they do this shit. Do people really think companies have minors dancing choreos like that just because?
@@sweetpea3908 This will be a long reply, and I wrote it to shed light on how it might be perceived from the other side's perspective. if you're continuously using Christian symbols and disrespecting them if thats the appropiate term here by dancing in front of a place intended to be sacred doesn't improve the situation, especially if it's just a filming location. They didn't need to include Christianity in this and use the alleged fake church as an aesthetic for their music video. You can't simply brush it off as just a filming location. Maybe you don't grasp how deeply offended some Christians are because you don't belong to that faith. But picture yourself as a member of a centuries-old religion, one that's woven into a rich cultural tapestry and has left its mark on the world. You cherish it, find solace in it, and it fills you with pride and joy. Now, imagine a pop group shooting a music video in a place once sacred, a former church. They replace the cross with their logo, employ nuns in a bizarre symbolic gesture, and perform *some* sexual dances in this once-holy space. They chose this revered structure, your religions most sacred site for prayer, out of countless other options. Whether it's still officially a church or not, whether society has normalized its use for filming, none of that changes the disrespect. It's disrespectful, plain and simple. You honor cultures and religions. even I, a Christian, would never film in a Buddhist temple/monastery or mosque. I wouldn't do it because I'd be exploiting it for my own purposes, treating it solely as an aesthetic backdrop for my music video. I'm sorry, but I just cant imagine doing such a disgraceful act. It's straightforward to show respect, so why do celebrities find it so HARD nowadays?
Im a christian im personally not offended its a FAKE church and its not like their saying christianity sucks in the song and if this music video bothers you so much then go also attack the others who have used the filming space aswell
Suga and Halsey Lilith was filmed in an actual church, the Chapelle des Jésuites in Cambrai, France. Nobody freaked out and it was for the game "Diablo". The Church sold them a filming licence (between 300 to 1000 dollars) so why would anyone complain?
@@aerianax i don't know if it is chaewon.but the burned a book and because they are in s church.we supposed it is s bible. It is a people who said that on tiktok
I am not blaming the group but I am blaming the company for this one. I’m Christian, I am happy that they didn’t film in a real church but It’s not right to create a church like building. I never liked movies who are degrading Christianity, why only us? Correct me if I’m wrong but I’ve never seen a movie with exorcist in a mosque. These movies were always normalised but if it was with another religion things would go wild and the group (and movies made) would be cancelled. I’m just sick that people uses Christianity as an aesthetic like you said
literally who cares christians have persecuted and killed millions of people for thousands of years. if people wanna use christianity as an aesthetic let them
Hi. I'm a Muslim and I respect your opinion. I think that religion should be completely separate from any types of aesthetics but as you brought up Islam , there have been many instances when Islam was also brought into kpop i.e gidle dancing Infront of a mosque, Jake wearing "Allah" necklace ,etc ( ik that these were the stylist and the event organizers fault. I'm not blaming the artists) so I just think that any religion as a whole should be completely separate from the entertainment industry and not be made into an aesthetic.
@@emilywillis4563 so we should just generalize the entire religion and disrespect them??? yur logic makes no sense Christian’s aren’t the only religion that’s done shitty stuff sit down
and yeah no the 17 year old thing is still weird. im 17 as well and it makes me uncomfortable. inherently twerking isnt a sexual thing and it is used in afrobeats but the difference is who the audience is and the demographic. eunchae debuted when she was 15 and has been heavily sexualized from debut and put in inappropriate clothes AND choreo. fearless had the girls twerking on the ground, her and garam being 15 and 16 respectively. hybe KNEW it was wrong and made altercations bcs of backlash, implying there was some care abt the situation but as time progressed they just showed it was a pr move because gp found it weird. 17 year olds are not fully developed or mature to be making decisions with how they want to be perceived fully along w the appropriateness regarding something which is why things like coordinators and higher ups exist for this type of thing. but if the choreo and song concept is PUSHING to be sxy while knowing full well eunchae is 17, thats weird... this type of sxualization has happened since 2nd gen and many idols who are even adults come out further and say they didnt feel comfortable even being grown because most , as in 90% of the time , the sxy concept is made and intended for the male gaze. the idea that she will be sexualized regardless and just brushing it off as a norm instead of challenging the idea that maybe, just maybe, the industry can put some sort of protocol or safety measures in place so she isnt further sexualized and pushed into this idea is super harmful. the whole entire idea that 18 is fully developed is weird as well, people have contended this for years bcs its just an abstract age that draws no line and the front cortex is not developed until 25. that is quite literally why everyone hates "barely legal" and "18 year old" categories from iykyk because theyre literally made w that in mind.. its CREEPY. there shouldnt be sxy concepts pushed on any idol until theyre minimum age of 21 IMHO and thas only if they make it vocal and clear that theyre fine with that.... we live in a hypersexualized culture where minors twerking in proactive ways that are intended to appeal a certain demographic are normalized and thats where the issue lies. we cannot keep brushing this as an okay thing just cuz a lot of people do it. i have a major is yapanese literature btw if it counts for anything
@@coldblooded972 again. the audience matters. if eunchae was doing thoae dances with friends or family or in a small crew or studio, it would he MUCH different than her doing it for the full public consumption and audience who includes plenty of creeps. singing nicki minaj as a 10 yearold is not the same as you getting a lap dance from her at a concert. shes literally under fire because she's been enabling pedos... time, place, audience is all that matters female idols have been outspoken how theres creepy online boards made for slowing down pics and vids of idols for nsfw reasons lets use our brains
@@coldblooded972 also, im not a girl and what made you think im judging eunchae? im on her sude I'm questioning the higher ups who are approving and letting her do these things
to me the church critique makes no sense because like.. churches as filming locations have been a norm for decades now??? like there has been so much worse and this is what gets you???????????????????
So because society has made it a norm means people of the church faith aren’t allowed to be offended? That makes no sense. Look around the world. So many inappropriate things are normalized. Just means we’ve lost our way, not that it’s okay. The church is a holy place it’s that simple.
Let me add this: 1st.Presbyterian church is not a Catholic. 2nd the room is being used for event and concert it's called SANCTUARY (not a church)3rd. they have 2 main chapel on the other side(Westminster and Chichester chapel).
Take a note their at the sanctuary room not the chapel. Emmanuel Presbyterian Church in lost angeles has sanctuary, parlor room, 2 chapel , gym, rooftop basketball court and Parish hall.
Well how about the procession cross in the beginning of their mv that changed into their logo , the symbol of Jesus' sacred heart with letter 'LSF' on it and sakura wore crown of thorns as a freakin aesthetic ? so disgusting
@@skadiwlf1204 I acknowledge that, idk what their concept/design team thinking about this. Concept related to religion is serious matter. But aren't we think outside the box? Too much? When all about their message (lyrics) is all about themselves, hardwork and the success are not being easy. 😭
i agree with you completely. i feel like people are using whatever they find to hate on them in the middle of the comeback since they know it will affect them more. also, the mispronunciation in smart is a complete lie. if you search the lyrics to the song it actually says "i'm a SMARTER baby smarter". they pronounce it well. they aren't saying "smart", they are saying "smarter"
People defend eunchae like she's 5 ..like okay ...even if she did that dance then what? You're the one sexualising it ...and it was not even provocative..just cause it has two moves which require hip rolling or turning your back to the crowd ... She's not gonna become a whole ass women when she turn 19 bruh...
1 correction, immanuel presbyterian* is an actual presbyterian church in la (presbyterian is form of christianity), since on the building there is a cross in front of the building, but it really isnt that big of an issue knowing that the church did give them permission, and the church has been used for filming lots of things!
I don’t have a big opinion on this, but why do I get the feeling that you like Le Serrafim? Like, it wasn’t THAT serious (apart from the DANG BLASPHEMY), but you were kind of.. soft? On them.
@@sumankumari5004 that’s information ’known’ now the lyrics has come out, regardless i do still hear ‘smatah’ even in yunjin’s american accent, it does sound more vibes in that accent imo
I agree with what you said. Who thinks the pronunciation of smart is making fun of anybody? Lots of songs in lots of languages deliberately stretch out or mispronounce words for a particular effect. (Btw I swear “zimzalabim” was “inspired by” a German children’s song. “Umpah umpah” could be interpreted as making fun of Bavarians/Austrians. Yes I know that’s not Le Sserafim. But getting upset about those things is just as dumb as getting upset about “smart.”) Who has the time and energy to get worked up about something like that? As for the suggestive dancing, I have no problem with it at all but then again I am a western person who only got into K-pop months ago. I find a lot of the “controversies“ overblown and ridiculous but I guess there are some cultural boundaries within Korea that I am not aware of. I might even be accused of being disrespectful which is not my intention. Anyway, thank you for the video! 🙏🧡🎼🕺🪩
I genuenly want to hear what you mean with the Umpah Umpah thing; how would that ever make fun of bavarians, Austrains, etc.? (Also don't get the Zimzalabim take or how the two songs are related here) The thing about the pronounciation of "smart" is objectively incorrect since the lyrics don't even say "smart" but rather "smarter" which it does sound like And about the clothing situation if you look it up and try to genuenly think about it you'll at least get where the people who find it morally questionable at least come from even if you don't agree with it
@@thethingcalledlisa clothing situation? I thought we were talking about suggestive choreography. Where exactly should I look up morally questionable clothing? Please advise. Genuinely have no idea although I would genuinely like to think about it if I genuinely knew what the problem genuinely was. The pronunciation of smart was discussed in the video. That is what I was referring to. And if the word used is actually “smarter“, then why was there a controversy at all? Making fun of Bavarians / Austrians was an ironic joke on my part to illustrate the silliness of these controversies. Like, claiming “cultural appropriation” instead of “cultural appreciation” of those countries/regions/cultures. Or claiming that Red Velvet is mocking the culture. I am poking fun at people who are hyper sensitive about every tiny thing. “Oompah oompah” (that would be the English spelling) is the word for the type of music that commonly people, at least in most English speaking countries, assume goes with the Bavarian/Austrian culture, because generally all they know about it is the Oktoberfest and Alps. Also, they tend to assume this is “German culture.” This tends to annoy the crap out of Germans, who are not Bavarians. There is a German children’s song called ”Simsalabim” which is very catchy. To English speakers, the German S sounds like English Z, which is why I assume Red Velvet chose to spell their song “Zimzalabim.” Again, that would be a German thing that Koreans have used. Please refer to the 3rd paragraph. And the 4th if you need to. Hope that clears things up. Do tell me where I can look up morally questionable clothing. What is the age of consent - or the age at which this clothing would no longer be morally questionable if worn by a female person in South Korean culture? Hope you have a nice week! 🙏🌺🦩💕
speaking of minors dancing "sexually", in my town we have a hip hop dance group which is mainly filled with minors (10 years old or younger) doing twerking and shit. or like really sexual dance moves and i never saw a problem with it until i got much older and seeing them do that stuff weirds me out. i see even adults rooting for them😭
the way they say "smart/smarter" is not anyone else's business except for the black community. Half of the people speaking on the "church" topic don't know wtf they are saying. people should do proper research before talking about a sensitive and controversial topic. I've seen many people mocking/defending the situation. If it turns out that the place was in fact MEANT to be/represent a church and the audience believed it as a church TOO, then everything is indefensible i mean we had nuns in the churches, sakura wearing jesus's crown of thorns for their concept pics, changing their logo into a cross, AND recreated Mary holding the of Christ after the crucifixion. The whole set and concept was very questionable. Everyone is taking this situation differently and sharing their opinions so theres no right and wrong but i also dont think this should be whole situation should be taken easily
My issue is when its not allowed for other groups to use anything from a religion, then why is it okay to do so with christianity? Like anyone remember BlackPink getting so much hate for their (i think) "How You Like That" mv due to a small statue that was important in (i think) Hinduism. The backlash got so big that the mv was edited un order to remove the statue. So the backlash due to disrespecting a different religion is warranted
As a catholic why do we have to compare? People are brain dead, just respect every religion. Christianity has a very different history in the west than other religions. People from other religions face plenty of issues that is christians don’t, just because twitter gets mad at one thing and not the other, it doesn’t invalidate the real life issues people face. Get off the internet 🙄
the smart thing really pissed me off honestly. as a black kpop stan, they said SMARTER and not smart, which i see a lot of people saying that they said smart in a south african accent. i get being upset about this at first, but people need to do their research and look up the lyrics before commenting that they are copying south african accents. loved your video btw!!!
They are. If people would just take the time to read the lyrics before writing essays on twitter, they would know they're singing smarter and not smart, which means there's no problem with the pronunciation
Using Christian symbols disrespectfully, especially in a place meant to be sacred, doesn't help the situation, especially if it's just for a video shoot. There's no need to involve Christianity in this way or use a fake church for their music video's aesthetics. It's not just about the location being used for filming; it's about the lack of respect. Think about being part of a religion with a long history and deep cultural significance. Now, imagine a pop group filming a video in a former church, altering its sacred symbols and using suggestive dances. They chose this place over many others, disregarding its importance. Regardless of its current status, it's disrespectful. Honoring cultures and religions means avoiding actions like this. Even as a Christian, I wouldn't film in a Buddhist temple or mosque. It's about showing respect, something that seems to be lacking in celebrity culture nowadays. Harassing Lesserafim for this isn't right, but it's not something we should just brush off either. They're humans, and perhaps they also felt wrong doing this. At the end of the day, it's just an insignificant, somewhat offensive decision their team or they themselves made. Cancelling them is wrong, and trying to justify their actions by saying it's not a church anymore is also wrong.
Jesus spoke directly against churches being sacred... But rather the community is what's important. Traditionalism in Christianity will be the demise of the religion.
@@TA---yes, but the church represents the place where the community can gather and worship. doing this type of dance is not in any way a form of worship; it’s really inappropriate. and it doesn’t excuse the disrespectful use of Christian symbolism.
U just dont care about our religion if they would do something with ur religion would u like it dont call us dramatic at least we care about our religion!
You made a lot of good points. For me, I don't like calling people "too sensitive", because we all have things we are sensitive about. I do too. And I am also not trying to say people shouldn't express their feelings. As if I even could --- it's their right either way. As it is also mine to speak my opinions. I believe one of the reasons why kpop is so creative and has a lot of qualities that we as fans love, is because they are not as beholden to the whims of mobs on the internet as other markets have become. It's one thing for people to express their own opinion, but another when people are just looking for a reason to rile up the crowd to go around and F with anyone who is enjoying these crafts. There are always trouble makers looking for a reason to harass others. Not to say that everyone who believes in the cause does that. But anytime a mob is formed to scapegoat others who don't follow along, it sets an environment to be abused by those deranged and bored individuals. I wanna mention that there are some churches & cathedrals that do allow visitors and people to take pictures and film. People do need to be respectful and follow the rules that the church set forth. These days it is hard for some of these beautiful and historical structures to stay afloat, and allowing this helps them obtain some funds in order to do upkeep and renovations. That does not mean disrespect but I would caution people from assuming that all of the religious figures feel the same way they do. You cleared up that this was not filmed in a church anyway, so thanks for that. I just wanted to give a bit of a PSA there.
- For god sake, this generation is completely f****D up... You can't live without searching sh*t on some groups or people... - If they filmed a music video in a church, that means the owners of the church allowed it... The group and the crew didn't show up the morning and said "Let's film here"... - And I don't see the meaning of the " no cross", 🤔 - The age is a problem in the entire K-pop industry, minors shouldn't be allowed to be in groups... The parallel with teens dancing in school is dumb, in school, they dance in front of other teens, supervised by adults...
Huh? Ok now this is kind of nonsensical. Just because the church, most likely run by administrators who only care about money and disregard its significance, allows some group of girls to dance in a religious place meant for prayer and reverence, doesn't mean it's acceptable or okay. The church holds a symbolic presence and Implication behind it. Unfortunately, its administrators don't care about that and use it for their selfish actions. We Christians feel offended by some church owners because they discard the culture's importance and symbolic meaning, you can't stand here and tell me that just because the church allowed some dog to pee on the ground inside it, means it's totally okay and doesn't disgrace and disrespect the religion of that sacred building
@khaaadouj that church is used for movies, tv shows, mv and even enterprise conference and before opening your mouth, you should check the website of the church...
Thats Emmanuel Presbyterian Church, The place who used by LSM is “ main sanctuary “ with has no cross(most band/artist perform this place) and the one has it called Westminster Chapel. It’s not a Catholic Church, it’s a Presbyterian Church who broke away from Catholic in the 15-16th century.
@@ryangerald736 Well, 1st Presbyterian church is not a Catholic. 2nd the room is being used for event and concert it's called SANCTUARY (not a church)3rd. they have 2 main chapel on the other side(Westminster and Chichester chapel).
@@ryangerald736 Search, Emmanuel Presbyterian Church lost angeles tour in CZcams. So u can fact check this place. That place doesn't have cross inside.
@@ryangerald736 Search, Emmanuel Presbyterian Church lost angeles tour in CZcams. So u can fact check this place. That place(Sanctuary )doesn't have cross inside.
i feel like you guys automatically assume whenever someone voices an opinion or thought theyre deeply offended and it affects them heavily like. no. people can point out something and talk about the deeper idea instead of it being construed as them being violently angry.
About the pronunciation. Additionally, I think in swan song, it sounds like they say black swan - eh. So what though. I am sure Yunjin would know how to pronounce swan if that were the issue. But obviously this is what they are going for. It didn't even occur to me to complain. For all I know they are saying a different word in Korean and I just don't hear it right. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (Edit: It says black swan nan; nan as in "I'm a" in Korean, shows you what I know), Folks we are listening to Korean music. It's usually sung in Korean, sometimes with some English here and there. To an international fanbase. Please give it a rest. ✌🏼 Peace
Well, 1st Presbyterian church is not a Catholic. 2nd the room is being used for event and concert it's called SANCTUARY (not a church)3rd. they have 2 main chapel on the other side(Westminster and Chichester chapel). Take a note their at the sanctuary room not the chapel. Emmanuel Presbyterian Church in lost angeles has sanctuary, parlor room, 2 chapel , gym, rooftop basketball court and Parish hall.
Please stop being shocked by every little thing... I'm Catholic and I don't care at all that the video is set in a church. Or rather I am happy that our churches are being highlighted and that something is happening there. It's probably not even a real church ! Or a reformed church like there are a lot today used for concert or museum. So stop the sterile controversies and displaying yourselves as pseudo victims at the slightest religious sign. It just doesn't make sense in the 21st century...
yea its just her personal take on them. nothing really factual except for the church one. 17 year olds are more mature becasue they discover things prior to. even minors younger than 17. eunchae being a minor in this kind of industry is wrong enough.
I liked dancing and dressing sexy my whole teen years when I could get away with it. Because we are in a hypersexualized culture and its normalized and lauded. However this left me in a vulnerable state where I very easily could have been groomed if I wasn't lucky and also led to more body image issues. I also didn't see the problem when I was your age. But in hindsight I wish someone had told me there's no rush to grow up. We need to draw the line somewhere, and I don't think 18/19 is bad, precisely because less people are outraged about eunchae right now. What really gets me is the fact that adults profit off all this. I don't know how these industry execs sleep at night if they have any morals. A kid dancing in high school isn't bejng exploited in the same way as eunchae and of course many other idols I have a video on my channel from a few years ago if you want more perspective
You can’t film in a church especially since they changed the cross to their logo!! And even worse. The person that allowed is also problematic. The controversy should have never started with Hybe wanting to film in a church. And yes it’s a church
In all fairness, I never even noticed that the backdrop in the MV looked like a church. Then again, if a church is purely for worshipping-purposes, why build massive structures with beautifull architecture and glass? I'm not religeous myself so I could be completely ignorant (please let me know a different viewpoint if that is the case) but for now I can't help but see churches as partly aesthetic buidlings as well and it would be up to the church if they allow someone to film in there or not. Now that it has been confirmed to be a "regular" filming-site this only shows more that people are waaay to quick to jump on a hate train or be offended imho. REgarding the dance, when I first listened to the song I thought it was a massive ass-shaking-song (in a very good way tho, it's the best song on the album imho) and it's not surprising thats exactly what the choreo is. But also here, it's not that they didn't shake their behinds in Antifragile or Unforgiven or something... To me this dance is not that much worse then those. Plus you do see in the live performance that Eunchae is holding back/performing alternate moves so they did tune it down a bit. But you are right, the moment a minor is debuted in a group they are sexualised. Sad but true. Le Sserafim (particularly the company) is catering to this with their styling and choreo's.
Well, If someone worships god, then obviously they’ll make the place to worship that god magnificent and opulent. From what I’m aware, orthodox churches were so big and beautifully sculpted for a multitude of reasons. They worship god, just like you mentioned. Isn’t that the answer itself??? Worshipping isn’t just merely praying and reciting scriptures. They worship a god, and hence see that particular god as the higher being that deserves nothing less of the utmost devotion. Churches are made to look so beautiful because it is believed it is the least that can be done for god. I suggest you look up articles on this, there’s quite a lot that are easy to comprehend !! As for the situation at hand, (imo) it’s a mixed bag. A lot of people don’t seem to care or think it was that big of a deal, but some people felt genuinely uncomfortable and hurt, and hence disliked the mv. Its a messy topic to detangle and determine who’s in the right or wrong, or if there’s even a right and wrong. As for the dance, it’s upsetting how normalised minors doing ‘sexy’ dance moves has become. Lesserafim had a great comeback, I just hope they won’t make eunchae do such chores in the future.
@@Cherylmayblii Thanks for your reply and I get your point as it being a gesture or symbolism of appreciaction to god. Makes perfect sense. Then it would be more a matter of the church itself allowing the filming of such content, but also the company requesting to film at a sensitive site in the first place. Then again, as this was not a church but a movie-site with the religeous symbols removed, Hybe surely knew what they were looking for and took the risk of criticism with it.
@@TKoote Actually I think they did used some symbols in the mv, maybe nothing obvious like a big cross, but still I noticed a few: - one of the neons in the background you looks like a hamsa hand which is an amulet commonly used in middle east - another that is a heart surrounded by flames and the letters “lsf” is similar to the symbol of heart of Jesus surrounded by thorns and little flame at the top (sometimes they would also put letters “ihs” which is a monogram for the name Jesus) - the eye neons could be interpreted as all seeing eye of God or as a nazar protecting from the evil eye - Also the scene where Yunjin is lying on Chaewon is form of pieta, which is a pose often find in Christian art depicting Saint Mary holding body of Christ after his death To me it’s like picking and mixing together some occult and christianity symbols purely for aesthetic purposes, which is quite ignorant. Obviously the team behind the visuals is to be blamed, but I doubt they would care at all 😅
@@Cherylmayblii they song is very catchy and cool, but as a religious person, i’m dont rlly like how they did it in a church. Its fine that they weren’t doing and witchcraft or anything, but the clothes and the dance
tbh about the whole ‘smart’ pronunciation thing, it’s seriously not that deep. when it comes to kpop girl groups, people will nit pick for the smallest things to hate esp when they are as successful and popular 😭
nope, it’s different. ur doing it cause u want to idols dont have a choice, they are obligated to do it and have thousands/millions of people watching them. whether they are okay with it or not they still have to perform those choreos like the other person said.. theyre under a contract that they cannot break
The double standards with people are real. Its very hard to stick on to your principles and morality when on the other side is your favourite k-pop group. Girl... we get you. Its nothing new. Christianity has been vandalised by artists time and time again.Black culture and music have been used by people for monetary purposes and what not,its not anything new. Its just that earlier it was white Americans now it's by white Asians😌. And girl just because everyone is doing something doesn't mean its right by default. Revolutionary changes which demoralised slavery and female oppression didn't come over night it took years to stand against oppression and bring a change.
My issue with smart, and other K-pop groups who use/make Afro-beat music every now & then is not necessarily the fact that they are doing it. It’s that when they make that type of music, they r praised but when African/Caribbean people do it, it’s suddenly “too” cultural.
Hmm I've actually never seen those instances but thats so stupid to hate on Africans or African Americans for that. That's like saying traditional Korean music is too "cultural"
My question does the venue even classify as a church the definition of a church is " a building used for public christian worship" and the venue CLEARLY does nit fit that description (P.S I am a christian)
It doesn't matter if it's real church or not. The song and dancing was really good ngl. But I know it's just WRONG. It's still disrespectful, they replace the cross with their logo, and the eyes???
OMG this building already allowed for Music video and Movie so many why complain now? you said that's replace the cross with their logo you don't even know this building inside design more learn to the immanuel presbyterian church and then people need to more grow up why a bigot only don't have cross that's still ok if you not okay that's your i'm out @@hulnhulnn7304
Lets point out the truth about all this nonsense. When this comeback dropped and everyone realised LSF leveled up instead of stagnanting. The toxic mindset of no one is better than my fav group kicked in and the Christian thing was just an easy way to dogpile on the group to try and bring them down. At the end of the day none of these weirdos actually care that it was shot at a set of a church.
Looks like you're missing the point here! About smart; the issue is way more than just "smartah"... The thing is that kpop fans have acted very racist agaisnt black people, the most recent example would be the misunderstanding about le sserafim posts about their brand when they used a black model. So a lot of people not only blk people were angry cause it is a fact that without black and african culture kpop does not exist. Or at the very least would have trouble surviving. On the other hand, the whole smart song is heavily inspired by Tyla we talking about the song, the clothes and even the choreo, so yeah obvioulsly they say "smartah" and not smarter fro a reason. Don't get me wrong, the song is very catchy, however it is getting tiring that people would litteraly spit on any culture, and then praise their favorite kpop group which is using that same culture. As a black person, i am tired. I just wish kpop was a safer place for blk kpop stans. BTW!!! This is business so i am not necessarily mad at the group, le sserafim is always jumping on any trends anyways idk what hybe is doing with them.
wdym "i just wish kpop was a safer place for black kpop stans". kpop was always about the music, but people choose fight over dumb things. when a kpop idol says the n-word, im like "okay, im never associating myself with this idol again", end of story, i moved on with my life. people should not let such things stick around in their minds then complain "its not a safe place", then dont BE in that place..? if yk what im talking about.
@@eunvaisegirl imo your take on the "smart" cheography was not it. The 27 year olds you are talking about , they probably have no eyes on them. They are not performing in front of millions of people. And the dance is not just hip shaking. Anti fragile also had hip shaking. This is proper" butt" shaking and who knows what kind of people are watching that performance. You defending this is insane.
About the church thing. Not trying to defend her but you cant just go there and dance, you have to get a special permission. And yeah, maybe they should have picked a different location but if the church is okay i dont get the whining
If it was any other religion it would not be okay. Extremely disrespectful! The church is considered a sacred place for any Bible-believing person. What is the NEED to film in that type of setting?
@@blushyrosie886 girl are you ..? Ugh see that is a venue it's a room that looks like a church that is arranged like a church but is NOT a church because you know what? There's no cross for goddamn sake. So what that's a church? then if i take multiple desks and chairs and put them in a room in my house then it's a classroom? I swear i don't understand some people 👁👄👁
Why is the kpop fandom so full of young people with the exact same views as conservative old men? Like, they used religious imagery in a less transgressive way than Madonna did in the 80s, and a 17 year old did a vaguely provocative dance wearing slightly revealing clothing. None of this is scandalous, or even very interesting. Everyone needs to go watch a John Waters film or read some Octavia Butler or just experience anything a little bit subversive so you might broaden your minds a tiny tiny bit.
@@darklightss_ you should be troubled at someone mocking your religion. Dancing in a place that's supposed to be a church while there's an eye instead of the cross should disturb you very much.
@@wowimflyingUuuuu how is that lsfms fault, theyre not in charge of that tho, its their job to follow orders so if you’re mad direct it towards hybe not the girls
@@darklightss_ I'm not blaming the girls. Ik how idols have to follow the stuff they are told to. But you as a Christian should not defend this at all. Don't fall for worldly desires.
If I’m being honest I don’t know why people bash the group members when they have no choice to things like preforming in disrespectful places, singing songs with swears and having ‘inappropriate’ dance moves, they would most likely loose there job as an idol if they disagree to what the company’s telling them. Bash the company not the girls!!! Anyways, The church issue: It wasn’t a church! They preformed on a movie set which is not a church. And if it was, the blame is on whoever let them preform at the ‘church’ in the first place ( as said in the video ) As a Christian I’d feel a bit more upset towards this if it was a real church, as most people feel right now, but I know most people mad at the group for this rn is probably unaware that it wasn’t a real church. The ‘smart’ song This really pissed me off. It’s just a song, the world will end if someone ‘miss pronounced’ a word omggg! They didn’t even say ‘smart’ they said smarter. They are a Korean group, so English isn’t their native language, so obviously it’s normal for them to not pronounce words accurately just like we do. Just because they pronounce ‘smarter’ different doesn’t mean they’re copying a native American accent. The song being ‘different’ Time changes, new inspirations, new concepts, new songs, new groups. Not every K-pop song is gonna be all cutesy, and just because it got a different concept doesn’t mean it’s not K-pop-y, it’s still K-pop either way. They sing in Korean, under a Korean company and are native Koreans, therefore it’s K-pop. They have done other songs like this as said in the video so it’s nothing new, along with other groups doing ‘different’ concepts like this. Comments that say things like that is really stereotyping kpop, and what happened to ‘different’ is good, but when a group does a unique concept it’s the worst thing ever? The choreo: Although 17 is a miner, people need to stop babying her, seventeen year olds are mature and shouldn’t be treated like they are an infant, she’s 17 not 10. Of topic but when I was ten I did a lot worse dancing and wore small crop tops. I get that she was in front of a crowd but teens in high school preform a lot worse things. Also no mater what in the entertainment industry you will be sexualised no mater what you do! How old you are, what you were or how you dance. It happens to everyone, everyday and there is no way to really stop this, even changing the choreo or outfit won’t do much. ( its disgusting ) She signed up to being an idol which means preforming in front of people, which basically guarantees someone sexualising you. Overall I do wish people would just do research before assuming things, and I hope people will stop getting mad at the groups because it’s the company’s who do this. Thanks for reading (if you did) this is all my opinion, so if you disagree that’s fine cause everyone has a different opinion, thanks for your time Bye 💗💗
@@Maryamlovesmanythings Oh yes, blame the girls and not the multimillion dollar corporation that approved for the music video to be shot in the church etc etc
this so called "controversies" that people are making up is definitely gonna be in a "top 10 controversies that makes no sense" video LMFAO haters these days really trying their best to find anything they can hate on, and the worst part is that even some of the fans are joining in on the nonesense controversies that the haters are making up IM DEAD LMFAOOO
Using crosses, a former church, and nuns for aesthetic purposes is outright disrespectful and shameful, period. Personally, as a Christian, I wouldn't even entertain the thought of entering a mosque and parading around in revealing clothes in front of their sacred space, whether for kicks or as an aesthetic choice. They've replaced the cross with their logo, devil eyes, and included nuns in the building-all undermining the symbolic significance of Christianity, which they didn't even need to bring into the music video but chose to do so. Their dancing in revealing clothes and performing sexual dances in front of a sacred holy place is utterly offensive. If you're incapable or too young to grasp the significance of culture and religion, then please restrain yourself from commenting your opinion on this subject. It was a terrible opinion to even share in the first place because you clearly lack cognitive thinking abilities
@@fwtens203 ask again who clrealy lacks cognitive thinking abilities, 1st of all im with the video/creator here, i agree that christianity/religion shouldnt be taken as an aesthetic here but cmon who ever allowed them and told them to film there is clearly the one who's to blame, not the members, the members are clearly just doing what they are told and thought, keep in mind that the members arent the one's who put those neon light there. 2nd of all my comment is for the so called controversy of the members pronouncing smart/smarter in a different way cause it definitely just sound so stupid like you
@@riizelvr yes that is what im trying to say, it was unbelievable for me to see that people are getting pressed over pronounciations like wtf is wrong with this generation
@@fwtens203 you snowflakes really just start assuming things instead of asking what the comment was for, you interpreted my comment like im out here saying "its fine to film in a church guys" no bro, you dum as hell cant you tell that what i meant by "controversies" is controversies in general not just the controversies that was stated in the video you dum dum, theres a whole lot more controversies about idols that makes zero sense. JUST LIKE THE SMATAH CONTROVERSY dam you really needed a whole explanation to undetstand a single comment
@@fwtens203 i had zero opinion about the church controversy what are you yapping about LMFAO, what got me pressed are the nonsense controversies in general that people are making up just to hate on idols. what else dont you understand and what else have you misenterpreted from my comment lmfao, ask bro ask, it doesnt hurt you ego to ask right? stop assuming all of the negativity and ask the simple question of "what do you mean by that" f**kin snowflake lmao
It's not just about the PLACE,the CHURCH,but how they portray acolytes and the pastor when they're entering the church, dancing inappropriately in the ALTAR, changing the SACRED HEART OF JESUS symbol and placing their LSM logo into it, changing the cross to their logo, do some research y'all 💀 y'all think it's just about the church but there is more, idc if they're atheist but at least respect some people's religion, religion it's not just an aesthetics👎 There are many kinds of unique places and concepts, but they're choosing religion TO BE DIFFERENT and UNIQUE?? Smh
Girls it's clear you're a le sserafim hater first research don't just jump to conclusions and you guys are so salty that they are breaking records and topping charts with an mini album lmfao 😂😂
The church thing was debunked and maybe read the lyrics to the song. They're singing "smarter" and not smart, so there's nothing wrong with the pronunciation
@@DraculauraLovely dumbass r u living under a rock in 4th gen new jeans le sserafim and aespa are the one's rulling and yunjin message just goes over your low IQ brain nobody can change unless they themselves want to yunjin just tries to put across her message as an idol that how much toxic the fans of this industry and industry in it self is and even if 1% understand it's enough and about that church thing there's ain't even a cross there that is Set used in countless movies and music videos including excorism movie which I'm sure u dumbass watched it And plz don't delete my comment if u aren't bothered lol😂😂
Le sserafim is irrelevant r u living under a rock there's only three k-pop girl group in 4th gen ruling right now and they are new jeans, le sserafim and aespa. Yunjin message just goes over your low IQ lol and I don't even care to explain to ur cracked brain And about that church thing that isn't a real church u dumbass that a set where countless movies and music videos are filmed and a famous film exorcist was filmed there which I'm sure ur dumbass watched it And don't delete my comment if ur not affected lol 😂😂
@auraLovely now try actually searching up the lyrics before u embarrass urself even more than u already did. 💀official lyrics literally say "smarter" not "smart." and if you actually bothered to look for information you would know that they filmed at immanuel presbyterian church in los angeles, which has been used as a set for music videos and films in the past like the amazing spiderman, legally blonde 2, john wick, and the gay men's chorus of los angeles filmed their cover of true colors in the set. so the church gave their permission. even if it's wrong, it's on the members, it's on the church.
the church thing....... i'm gonna said that what if it was a filming studio where the whole background was just designed like a church? come on people, you don't even know their background or behind the scene, how will y'all so sure that they were filming in church? when "behind the scene" of this video upload, watch first before you judge you haters are just too much....... are you that boring? wasting your time just to hate them? why not using it for doing other things insteading of hating them, sending hate comments? not worth it at all ps : i'm talking to those stupid haters whom hate le sserafim for no fking reason
The premise was still a Church though? That doesn't really change anything. The people calling this out aren't haters, these are people, like myself, staying true to their religions. How would you react if it had been a muslim mosque? Or a temple? Or basically any other religions place of worship Have a think about that before you go writing such a tone deaf comment like yours.
@ccelisabeth I'm Christian. Guess what this is not offensive to me. There are western artist that used true Christian symbols in disrespectful ways so many times in their music videos while This is not a true church and it never was meant to appear as a christian church. I don't know about other religion but using a deconsecrated church it's not offensive at all. And lets not forget that they were not doing offensive dance moves nor they used offensive lyrics to begin with :/ even the outfit are not a problem since they are not in a church and the figures at the beginning are not nuns. So what's the disrespect? Help a christian understand 😂 Can you all stop with this fake woke agenda every damn comeback and enjoy music????
Thank you for your comment. Every lesserafim comeback is a nightmare. I can't go on Twitter because there are only people hating. I can't use yt either because when I search their videos only this kind of videos show up. Haters can't leave them alone. Every damn comeback they invent a new story to drag them. For "easy" they could only came up with the church drama. These people are a disgrace to music . They don't deserve a single release from their fav artist. They are only here to hate others works, no passion at all for music.
@@misamane9 dawg what are you even yapping about they literally changed to cross into their logo had nuns praising them had the evil eye in the church and yunjin was dancing in her undies
@rsfpanda a deconsecrated church is not a church, it has no meaning other than a normal building. With the boy scout, we slept in one once, with our undies and pajama 🤣 here in Europe those ere used for music parties too. The one in the mv was a film location for many movies and music videos. They even used guns in there while filming a movie. And those are not nuns. I don't know about your country, but in Vatican, they don't dress with organza 🤔 about the "evil eye" I don't remember the Bible describing it with a photo that resembles the one in lesserafim mv. I don't remember the lesserafim eye having a glowing sign saying "i'm the mighty evil eye" neither. Stop grasping at straws
the reason its offensive is that they replaced the cross with their logo wore crowns that represented Jesus when he got crucified had the evil eye in a church and had nuns praising them like they were gods..
As a Christian it still feels really offensive. Regardless of whether or not it was a real church, it was a depiction of one. The imagery itself is what’s wrong. Religion shouldn’t be dismissed just because people do and don’t believe in it. Remember that religion is also a way of life - a culture - for many people. Different cultures are to be respected.
I’m just disappointed that I can no longer support Le Sserafim after this, especially with Yunjin being one of my favorite artists.
That’s what I’m saying.
As Christians let's not support minors in kpop group, toxic infustry with lot of abuse and sexual abuse and not support child work❗
I'm happy you unfollow them and hope you'll find healthier singers to stan like Bibi or Soyeon they're all a bout women empowerment and mote healthily uplifting
im a christian and i agree with you. i love le sserfims music but i cant support them after that.
Exactly it’s this and the Choreography… People defended it but if you watch the full thing you can see them getting down with their legs “Open” Shaking their buts in The video people brush it off just bc it happens everywhere…
Didnt know blasphemy was an aesthetic now lol. 💀💀💀
Church or not they disrespect Christianity.
The Mary and Jesus copy, wearing a cross and devil horns. A lot of songs have biblical concepts about embracing sin.
You can say “I’m a bad girl and idc” w/o disrespecting Christianity smh. Anyway it’s between them and God
yes! omg this is what i'm talking about like why does no one get it
Yes. And hybe should’ve thought first. I hate these concepts and using Christianity as a “aesthetic” is so wrong.
Because they're producers are evil
Please don't support minors in kpop and kids labor
@@Ari-tq8lg right omg like why is a religion an aesthetic/concept now 😭 and why is it so well-received by the masses
Imagine if the music video was taken in a mosque, people would have been going crazy. church or mosque it doesn’t matter that’s just outright disrespectful! The other depictions in the music video like the nuns bowing down to them is just disgusting. Plus yunjin drinking Starbucks during the boycott when she one hundred percent knows what’s going on coz she’s so “woke” and wants to “change” the kpop industry is so problematic. It’s honestly disappointing how people try to defend kpop idols because their companies force them to do this stuff, that excuse has gotten old. These are grown ass people we’re talking about, they have their own morals and mindsets and they show it to us every day. They need to be held accountable. And I don’t play about innocent lives being taken, free palestine 🇵🇸
ILY FOR SAYING THIS TY
all of it is bad exept kinda the starbuck if she wants it she can have it other people who are so called boycotting them still drink their drink daily
say it louder for the people in the back
@@3TO5858zionist
For yunjin one. Not everyone has to support the boycott people can support who they want to. ANd also starbucks korea does not support israel.
please do not say 17 year olds are mature beings 😭 you'll realize as you grow up and think about how stupid your younger self was. im not saying that eunchae is immature, but she's the maknae, she's babied and coddled by her group and the fans alike. from what ive observed, that makes her want to act grown up all the more, and those are all the wrong reasons to appear more mature. its only natural for someone of her age to want to grow up and act all adult-y, you wont understand then that yknow growing old is not really all that jazz and to cherish your teens some more.
as you said, just because she would be sexualized no matter what she does, should not mean we're actively thrusting choreos on them that call for such attention!!
If this wouldn’t be tolerated for other beliefs and religions, why should it be tolerated for Christianity?? The fact it’s not a “real” church is not a valid argument, it still represents one and a church structure is based on religion, so why was it even necessary when it has nothing to do with the song?!
i have no idea 🫢
It Would have been a different story if they were in a set that was supposed to represent a synagogue mosque, Buddhist, Hindu temple, etc
exactly. thank you.
Even if it was a mosque or a Hindu temple.
The line of argument that I keep seeing that' there are 15 year olds that are dancing and dressing more provocatively or whatever ' is very weak. This is more so just highlighting the hypersexualisation of teens in our society. Also dancing in your room or in your dance studio is not the same as dancing in-front of a large audience broadcasted permanently on the internet with an even larger audience. I believe the reason people are mostly upset is because this is not an isolated issue, eunchae has been receiving sexual dances since debut (fearless mv with also a 16 year old garam). But I don't expect most kpop fans to understand this since much of them are very young. I need kpop fans to stop, breathe and realise not all forms of constructive criticism are hate towards their fave groups.
I'm the same age as eunchae and my parents won't let me dance this type of choreography 💀
okay
glad to know abt that !! your opinion was veryyy helpful :D
And?
Maybe I'm not in the right circle for it, but I feel like I don't see many people talk about how young Eunchae is. Le Sserafim has always had pretty suggestive/grown up choreo and concepts, which is alarming to me.
People express discomfort with NewJeans, how young they are and their music/lyrics (which I agree with), but I'd argue that Le Sserafim's choreo and styling can be even worse for a group that still has an underage member?
@@loureedpipesthese are the same people who be cheering Lil girls performing sexy dance in school lmao on Nicki Minaj song😂😂
Yall before the live of lesserafim preforming their new album and i saw the chat and was absolutely disgusted. Someone said "lesserafim flops ive is better" "eunchae is useless"the only thing eunchae is good is for making babies" like bbg its a f_cking minor you're talking about?!
OH ME TOO, I SAW AND WAS LIKE WTF. I FORGOT THEIR USER.
Its literally SMARTER people need to give up thier jobs!!! They aren't saying samtah!!
only commenting on what concerns me most, here we go!
the church issue:
honestly, as a christian we shouldn't bash the members neither the entertainment but the owner/priest etc about letting anyone film in the church. though, i'm concerned by how many people use the excuse "many people film there", 1. just because multiple people film there doesn't make it right to film there. 2. it dissapoints me when christians are called "sensitive" for bringing up an issue like these. (ik it's not a real church but still, not most would've known this)
the Smart song;
honestly, period for them. i love the song, the vibes everything. just further proves that black people influence the whole genre of not only kpop but music itself. the pronounciation, they have to say "smartah" so it fits the song, so it sounds more like "i'm smart uh, baby smart uh" .
the choreo:
though 17 is still a minor, it's practically a stage of maturity..thing is y'all (as in those guilty of doing so) baby her too much like she's 5 years old. many dancers including myself (i'm 16) dance to a lot of dances like these, and the ones seeing it as sexual are the real creeps here. also to add, the dance they're doing is common in africa, like the Water challenge, minors were doing it. if you're weird about it, just know, in this world whatever women do, there's something wrong with it. we can't win.
*another "issue" i saw on tiktok*
the song not being kpop-y:
mbrrr times change yall, new sounds come up, new inspirations, new everything. i'm sure y'all wont like the same snoozefest all the time right? kpop is still kpop, this song is kpop because it's perfomed by a KOREAN girl group in a KOREA entertainment company based in KOREA singing KOREAN (get where i'm going?). as k-pop is discovered around the world, there's no way it won't be influenced by the western world. if you don't like it, listen to kpop when it used to be "kpop" then. lolzz
uh anyway, i doubt anyone will read this but i wanted to share my thoughts!
Peace out
Thanks!! That is exactly was I was thinking
I read all if this and totally agree!
well personally i don't really agree with the dance part but the rest YESS
THERE SAY IT LOUDER!!! Especially on the dance part bc it’s not sexual or inappropriate. It’s part of black culture and many girls her age do that dances.
I think the debate about the “church” music video is not something we should minimize.
Yes it’s not really in a church but it does disrespect Christianity and we can clearly see blasphemy in the mv. If it was another religion people wouldn’t minimize it
i unstanned le sserafim for all these controverseys, just cant keep up on them.
Part of the reason why Christianity is taken as a joke is because one, we Christian’s aren’t united and we fight amongst ourselves (about the most irrelevant topics), how can we be taken seriously if we “can’t figure out our own faith?” And two, because Christianity is the one and only truth. The Bible says “you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” (John 8:32 CSB) And, “”Jesus told him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.“ (John 14:6 CSB).
People hate the truth, so they’d do anything possible to dismiss it, or downplay it. Hence the vulgar dancing and subliminal messages presented in a church (this church in particular seemed catholic, either way it is still a holy place of worship and should be treated as such).
This MV, along with others who mock God are inexcusable, whether it’s towards Christianity, Islam or Hinduism, it doesn’t matter, defamation of a religion, or faith should be taken seriously.
”Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness, who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.“
(Isaiah 5:20 CSB)
where I come from, in most cases, you are not even allowed to enter a church while wearing hats, shorts or sleeveless tops, generally you should be dressed „modestly” in order to not be disrespectful (doesn’t matter if you are a tourist or come there to pray, the rule applies to everyone), so I totally understand why someone might find it offensive; I didn’t know it was just a filming venue and not a real church, but it’s not really clear while watching video, still they are using christianity as an „aesthetic” which I don’t think is the best idea but what can we do about it 🤷🏼♀️
People only care if it’s not Christian. I’m not religious but using Christianity for aesthetic is always fine but any other religion people care about. Even if it’s not church this goes in general.
And idk why I thought they were saying smart talk instead of smartah
I think people should be more offended that Christianity as an aesthetic than they filmed at a fake church.
Also Eunchae is still a child. Doesnt matter if she's "mature". That dance will just let people justify sexualisation
yes thank you, i feel like ppl that think it's fine for a minor to dance like that bcs they live in a hypersexualized culture that normalized those stuffs..even if eunchae was fine with it doesn't make it ok
attack me as much as y'all want, this is just my two cents
it wasnt filmed in a church at all. it was filmed in a theater. also, eunchae is not 2 years old. she is 17. yes, she is still a minor, and no matter what happens ppl will still sexualize her, but she is not a child. i dont think that dance should be classified as twerking cause its a traditional african dance and was never ever classified as twerking.
I just think it's silly that all these people fall for the engagement bait of these companies over and OVER again. This is exactly why they do this shit. Do people really think companies have minors dancing choreos like that just because?
I assumed that they were saying smarter... Are we sure they aren't saying smarter?
yeah it sounds so much like smarter
They’re saying smarter, you’re correct 💀
That’s what I think it is 😂
Im CHRISTIAN and this was disrespectful to me...
as the youtuber said it isn't an actual church it is a filming location
It isn't a real church, and even if it was, the church agreed to let them dance
@@sweetpea3908 This will be a long reply, and I wrote it to shed light on how it might be perceived from the other side's perspective. if you're continuously using Christian symbols and disrespecting them if thats the appropiate term here by dancing in front of a place intended to be sacred doesn't improve the situation, especially if it's just a filming location. They didn't need to include Christianity in this and use the alleged fake church as an aesthetic for their music video. You can't simply brush it off as just a filming location. Maybe you don't grasp how deeply offended some Christians are because you don't belong to that faith. But picture yourself as a member of a centuries-old religion, one that's woven into a rich cultural tapestry and has left its mark on the world. You cherish it, find solace in it, and it fills you with pride and joy. Now, imagine a pop group shooting a music video in a place once sacred, a former church. They replace the cross with their logo, employ nuns in a bizarre symbolic gesture, and perform *some* sexual dances in this once-holy space. They chose this revered structure, your religions most sacred site for prayer, out of countless other options. Whether it's still officially a church or not, whether society has normalized its use for filming, none of that changes the disrespect. It's disrespectful, plain and simple. You honor cultures and religions. even I, a Christian, would never film in a Buddhist temple/monastery or mosque. I wouldn't do it because I'd be exploiting it for my own purposes, treating it solely as an aesthetic backdrop for my music video. I'm sorry, but I just cant imagine doing such a disgraceful act. It's straightforward to show respect, so why do celebrities find it so HARD nowadays?
@@fwtens203 amazing comment it opened my eyes really
Im a christian im personally not offended its a FAKE church and its not like their saying christianity sucks in the song and if this music video bothers you so much then go also attack the others who have used the filming space aswell
When you guys could just look at the lyrics at first. Its "smarter" not "smatah" so they basically did pronounce it right
Suga and Halsey Lilith was filmed in an actual church, the Chapelle des Jésuites in Cambrai, France. Nobody freaked out and it was for the game "Diablo". The Church sold them a filming licence (between 300 to 1000 dollars) so why would anyone complain?
they replace the cross of JESUS with their logo,like they are GOD, sakura wore crown of throw,
@@fenewjeans please tell me where chaewon burned the bible?
@@aerianax it is in their visualizer i thinks.
@@aerianax i will search that.i forgot.if i found this i will tag you
@@aerianax i don't know if it is chaewon.but the burned a book and because they are in s church.we supposed it is s bible. It is a people who said that on tiktok
No, because I think it was the outfit for Eunchae that made me so uncomfortable, not the dance.
FILMED AT A CHURCH???
did u watch the vid? it wasnt
@@aeriluv.idgaf 😂
@@twadegy errr
It's a church 💀
@@robloxlovera6362 ??
I am not blaming the group but I am blaming the company for this one. I’m Christian, I am happy that they didn’t film in a real church but It’s not right to create a church like building. I never liked movies who are degrading Christianity, why only us? Correct me if I’m wrong but I’ve never seen a movie with exorcist in a mosque. These movies were always normalised but if it was with another religion things would go wild and the group (and movies made) would be cancelled. I’m just sick that people uses Christianity as an aesthetic like you said
literally who cares christians have persecuted and killed millions of people for thousands of years. if people wanna use christianity as an aesthetic let them
Hi. I'm a Muslim and I respect your opinion. I think that religion should be completely separate from any types of aesthetics but as you brought up Islam , there have been many instances when Islam was also brought into kpop i.e gidle dancing Infront of a mosque, Jake wearing "Allah" necklace ,etc ( ik that these were the stylist and the event organizers fault. I'm not blaming the artists) so I just think that any religion as a whole should be completely separate from the entertainment industry and not be made into an aesthetic.
@@emilywillis4563 so we should just generalize the entire religion and disrespect them??? yur logic makes no sense Christian’s aren’t the only religion that’s done shitty stuff sit down
and yeah no the 17 year old thing is still weird. im 17 as well and it makes me uncomfortable. inherently twerking isnt a sexual thing and it is used in afrobeats but the difference is who the audience is and the demographic. eunchae debuted when she was 15 and has been heavily sexualized from debut and put in inappropriate clothes AND choreo. fearless had the girls twerking on the ground, her and garam being 15 and 16 respectively. hybe KNEW it was wrong and made altercations bcs of backlash, implying there was some care abt the situation but as time progressed they just showed it was a pr move because gp found it weird. 17 year olds are not fully developed or mature to be making decisions with how they want to be perceived fully along w the appropriateness regarding something which is why things like coordinators and higher ups exist for this type of thing. but if the choreo and song concept is PUSHING to be sxy while knowing full well eunchae is 17, thats weird... this type of sxualization has happened since 2nd gen and many idols who are even adults come out further and say they didnt feel comfortable even being grown because most , as in 90% of the time , the sxy concept is made and intended for the male gaze.
the idea that she will be sexualized regardless and just brushing it off as a norm instead of challenging the idea that maybe, just maybe, the industry can put some sort of protocol or safety measures in place so she isnt further sexualized and pushed into this idea is super harmful. the whole entire idea that 18 is fully developed is weird as well, people have contended this for years bcs its just an abstract age that draws no line and the front cortex is not developed until 25. that is quite literally why everyone hates "barely legal" and "18 year old" categories from iykyk because theyre literally made w that in mind.. its CREEPY. there shouldnt be sxy concepts pushed on any idol until theyre minimum age of 21 IMHO and thas only if they make it vocal and clear that theyre fine with that....
we live in a hypersexualized culture where minors twerking in proactive ways that are intended to appeal a certain demographic are normalized and thats where the issue lies. we cannot keep brushing this as an okay thing just cuz a lot of people do it.
i have a major is yapanese literature btw if it counts for anything
These type of girls be singing Nicki Minaj song in her childhood and judging eunchae who's 17 lmao😂😂
@@coldblooded972 again. the audience matters. if eunchae was doing thoae dances with friends or family or in a small crew or studio, it would he MUCH different than her doing it for the full public consumption and audience who includes plenty of creeps. singing nicki minaj as a 10 yearold is not the same as you getting a lap dance from her at a concert. shes literally under fire because she's been enabling pedos... time, place, audience is all that matters
female idols have been outspoken how theres creepy online boards made for slowing down pics and vids of idols for nsfw reasons lets use our brains
@@coldblooded972 also, im not a girl and what made you think im judging eunchae? im on her sude I'm questioning the higher ups who are approving and letting her do these things
@@mediverge I was replying to others whose comments are now deleted smart ass did I replied by mentioning you
@@eunvaise lol ppl like you are those type that don't know how to accept opinion from othera, the fact you can't read all of that says a lot abt you💀
Another mess is the length of each song on the album 😢
exactly cause why is an EP with 5 songs 13 mins in its total run time?? be so fr..
@@roseshyejooI hate to say it but they truly pulled a newjeans for this one and I don't fwi 😭
@@saeicidthis is so true tho 😭
Ikr and why did the intro have to be so long instead of making each song 3 minutes
to me the church critique makes no sense because like.. churches as filming locations have been a norm for decades now??? like there has been so much worse and this is what gets you???????????????????
this comment this so trueee
So because society has made it a norm means people of the church faith aren’t allowed to be offended? That makes no sense. Look around the world. So many inappropriate things are normalized. Just means we’ve lost our way, not that it’s okay. The church is a holy place it’s that simple.
just because its normalized doesn’t make it right tf
People film movies in churches all the time? You guys just pick and choose and find the littlest thing to get offended over .
Let me add this: 1st.Presbyterian church is not a Catholic. 2nd the room is being used for event and concert it's called SANCTUARY (not a church)3rd. they have 2 main chapel on the other side(Westminster and Chichester chapel).
Take a note their at the sanctuary room not the chapel.
Emmanuel Presbyterian Church in lost angeles has sanctuary, parlor room, 2 chapel , gym, rooftop basketball court and Parish hall.
Well how about the procession cross in the beginning of their mv that changed into their logo , the symbol of Jesus' sacred heart with letter 'LSF' on it and sakura wore crown of thorns as a freakin aesthetic ? so disgusting
@@skadiwlf1204 I acknowledge that, idk what their concept/design team thinking about this. Concept related to religion is serious matter.
But aren't we think outside the box? Too much? When all about their message (lyrics) is all about themselves, hardwork and the success are not being easy. 😭
okay but they shouldn’t even be dancing with clothes like that in a church anyway. christianity isn’t an aesthetic
i agree with you completely. i feel like people are using whatever they find to hate on them in the middle of the comeback since they know it will affect them more. also, the mispronunciation in smart is a complete lie. if you search the lyrics to the song it actually says "i'm a SMARTER baby smarter". they pronounce it well. they aren't saying "smart", they are saying "smarter"
People defend eunchae like she's 5 ..like okay ...even if she did that dance then what? You're the one sexualising it ...and it was not even provocative..just cause it has two moves which require hip rolling or turning your back to the crowd ... She's not gonna become a whole ass women when she turn 19 bruh...
1 correction, immanuel presbyterian* is an actual presbyterian church in la (presbyterian is form of christianity), since on the building there is a cross in front of the building, but it really isnt that big of an issue knowing that the church did give them permission, and the church has been used for filming lots of things!
only person i have agreed with so far on EVERYTHING. finally a sensible human being oml 😭
I don’t have a big opinion on this, but why do I get the feeling that you like Le Serrafim? Like, it wasn’t THAT serious (apart from the DANG BLASPHEMY), but you were kind of.. soft? On them.
Absolutely like it is serious enough for them to make a video addressing it.
the way they say smart is so south african accent coded😭 so odd omds😭😭😭
smart still bangs 😩💘
It kind is but it's good it sounds like Tyla- Water which is fine it is really a good song
They're saying "smarter" not smart check the lyrics
@@sumankumari5004 that’s information ’known’ now the lyrics has come out, regardless i do still hear ‘smatah’ even in yunjin’s american accent, it does sound more vibes in that accent imo
I agree with what you said. Who thinks the pronunciation of smart is making fun of anybody? Lots of songs in lots of languages deliberately stretch out or mispronounce words for a particular effect. (Btw I swear “zimzalabim” was “inspired by” a German children’s song. “Umpah umpah” could be interpreted as making fun of Bavarians/Austrians. Yes I know that’s not Le Sserafim. But getting upset about those things is just as dumb as getting upset about “smart.”)
Who has the time and energy to get worked up about something like that? As for the suggestive dancing, I have no problem with it at all but then again I am a western person who only got into K-pop months ago. I find a lot of the “controversies“ overblown and ridiculous but I guess there are some cultural boundaries within Korea that I am not aware of. I might even be accused of being disrespectful which is not my intention.
Anyway, thank you for the video! 🙏🧡🎼🕺🪩
I genuenly want to hear what you mean with the Umpah Umpah thing; how would that ever make fun of bavarians, Austrains, etc.?
(Also don't get the Zimzalabim take or how the two songs are related here)
The thing about the pronounciation of "smart" is objectively incorrect since the lyrics don't even say "smart" but rather "smarter" which it does sound like
And about the clothing situation if you look it up and try to genuenly think about it you'll at least get where the people who find it morally questionable at least come from even if you don't agree with it
@@thethingcalledlisa clothing situation? I thought we were talking about suggestive choreography. Where exactly should I look up morally questionable clothing? Please advise. Genuinely have no idea although I would genuinely like to think about it if I genuinely knew what the problem genuinely was.
The pronunciation of smart was discussed in the video. That is what I was referring to. And if the word used is actually “smarter“, then why was there a controversy at all?
Making fun of Bavarians / Austrians was an ironic joke on my part to illustrate the silliness of these controversies. Like, claiming “cultural appropriation” instead of “cultural appreciation” of those countries/regions/cultures. Or claiming that Red Velvet is mocking the culture.
I am poking fun at people who are hyper sensitive about every tiny thing. “Oompah oompah” (that would be the English spelling) is the word for the type of music that commonly people, at least in most English speaking countries, assume goes with the Bavarian/Austrian culture, because generally all they know about it is the Oktoberfest and Alps. Also, they tend to assume this is “German culture.” This tends to annoy the crap out of Germans, who are not Bavarians.
There is a German children’s song called ”Simsalabim” which is very catchy. To English speakers, the German S sounds like English Z, which is why I assume Red Velvet chose to spell their song “Zimzalabim.” Again, that would be a German thing that Koreans have used. Please refer to the 3rd paragraph. And the 4th if you need to.
Hope that clears things up. Do tell me where I can look up morally questionable clothing. What is the age of consent - or the age at which this clothing would no longer be morally questionable if worn by a female person in South Korean culture?
Hope you have a nice week! 🙏🌺🦩💕
speaking of minors dancing "sexually", in my town we have a hip hop dance group which is mainly filled with minors (10 years old or younger) doing twerking and shit. or like really sexual dance moves and i never saw a problem with it until i got much older and seeing them do that stuff weirds me out. i see even adults rooting for them😭
the way they say "smart/smarter" is not anyone else's business except for the black community. Half of the people speaking on the "church" topic don't know wtf they are saying. people should do proper research before talking about a sensitive and controversial topic. I've seen many people mocking/defending the situation. If it turns out that the place was in fact MEANT to be/represent a church and the audience believed it as a church TOO, then everything is indefensible i mean we had nuns in the churches, sakura wearing jesus's crown of thorns for their concept pics, changing their logo into a cross, AND recreated Mary holding the of Christ after the crucifixion. The whole set and concept was very questionable. Everyone is taking this situation differently and sharing their opinions so theres no right and wrong but i also dont think this should be whole situation should be taken easily
My issue is when its not allowed for other groups to use anything from a religion, then why is it okay to do so with christianity?
Like anyone remember BlackPink getting so much hate for their (i think) "How You Like That" mv due to a small statue that was important in (i think) Hinduism. The backlash got so big that the mv was edited un order to remove the statue.
So the backlash due to disrespecting a different religion is warranted
As a catholic why do we have to compare? People are brain dead, just respect every religion. Christianity has a very different history in the west than other religions. People from other religions face plenty of issues that is christians don’t, just because twitter gets mad at one thing and not the other, it doesn’t invalidate the real life issues people face. Get off the internet 🙄
the smart thing really pissed me off honestly. as a black kpop stan, they said SMARTER and not smart, which i see a lot of people saying that they said smart in a south african accent. i get being upset about this at first, but people need to do their research and look up the lyrics before commenting that they are copying south african accents. loved your video btw!!!
i thought they were saying smarter smarter smarter 😶
They do
They are. If people would just take the time to read the lyrics before writing essays on twitter, they would know they're singing smarter and not smart, which means there's no problem with the pronunciation
This whole entire time i thought they were saying 'smarter' Lol
ok let's assume you didn't see Sakura wearing Jesus' crown of thorns
where in the mv does it show that??
@@lo.ve.l.yit’s in the concept photos
@@lo.ve.l.y concept photos, and not just Sakura, ALL of lesserafim
I can understand people wanting to protect Eunchae snd and other idols who are still underage and in general
Using Christian symbols disrespectfully, especially in a place meant to be sacred, doesn't help the situation, especially if it's just for a video shoot. There's no need to involve Christianity in this way or use a fake church for their music video's aesthetics. It's not just about the location being used for filming; it's about the lack of respect. Think about being part of a religion with a long history and deep cultural significance. Now, imagine a pop group filming a video in a former church, altering its sacred symbols and using suggestive dances. They chose this place over many others, disregarding its importance. Regardless of its current status, it's disrespectful. Honoring cultures and religions means avoiding actions like this. Even as a Christian, I wouldn't film in a Buddhist temple or mosque. It's about showing respect, something that seems to be lacking in celebrity culture nowadays. Harassing Lesserafim for this isn't right, but it's not something we should just brush off either. They're humans, and perhaps they also felt wrong doing this. At the end of the day, it's just an insignificant, somewhat offensive decision their team or they themselves made. Cancelling them is wrong, and trying to justify their actions by saying it's not a church anymore is also wrong.
Jesus spoke directly against churches being sacred... But rather the community is what's important. Traditionalism in Christianity will be the demise of the religion.
@@TA---yes, but the church represents the place where the community can gather and worship. doing this type of dance is not in any way a form of worship; it’s really inappropriate. and it doesn’t excuse the disrespectful use of Christian symbolism.
I agree all the way with you on this. Like it really ain’t that serious 😂 but people like to be dramatic these days
U just dont care about our religion if they would do something with ur religion would u like it dont call us dramatic at least we care about our religion!
@@JessyDonZolagrowing up non-denominational, I also think the reaction is silly.
You made a lot of good points.
For me, I don't like calling people "too sensitive", because we all have things we are sensitive about. I do too. And I am also not trying to say people shouldn't express their feelings. As if I even could --- it's their right either way. As it is also mine to speak my opinions.
I believe one of the reasons why kpop is so creative and has a lot of qualities that we as fans love, is because they are not as beholden to the whims of mobs on the internet as other markets have become.
It's one thing for people to express their own opinion, but another when people are just looking for a reason to rile up the crowd to go around and F with anyone who is enjoying these crafts. There are always trouble makers looking for a reason to harass others. Not to say that everyone who believes in the cause does that. But anytime a mob is formed to scapegoat others who don't follow along, it sets an environment to be abused by those deranged and bored individuals.
I wanna mention that there are some churches & cathedrals that do allow visitors and people to take pictures and film. People do need to be respectful and follow the rules that the church set forth. These days it is hard for some of these beautiful and historical structures to stay afloat, and allowing this helps them obtain some funds in order to do upkeep and renovations. That does not mean disrespect but I would caution people from assuming that all of the religious figures feel the same way they do. You cleared up that this was not filmed in a church anyway, so thanks for that. I just wanted to give a bit of a PSA there.
- For god sake, this generation is completely f****D up... You can't live without searching sh*t on some groups or people...
- If they filmed a music video in a church, that means the owners of the church allowed it... The group and the crew didn't show up the morning and said "Let's film here"...
- And I don't see the meaning of the " no cross", 🤔
- The age is a problem in the entire K-pop industry, minors shouldn't be allowed to be in groups... The parallel with teens dancing in school is dumb, in school, they dance in front of other teens, supervised by adults...
dont even share ur opinion because its literally wrong
Chaewon burned a BIBLE,they replaced the cross of JESUS with their logo like they are GODS, they wore short clothes and skirts in a church
Huh? Ok now this is kind of nonsensical. Just because the church, most likely run by administrators who only care about money and disregard its significance, allows some group of girls to dance in a religious place meant for prayer and reverence, doesn't mean it's acceptable or okay. The church holds a symbolic presence and Implication behind it. Unfortunately, its administrators don't care about that and use it for their selfish actions. We Christians feel offended by some church owners because they discard the culture's importance and symbolic meaning, you can't stand here and tell me that just because the church allowed some dog to pee on the ground inside it, means it's totally okay and doesn't disgrace and disrespect the religion of that sacred building
@@user-gt9cz6lg1t it's not wrong, and I will continue to share my opinion, so get a life...
@khaaadouj that church is used for movies, tv shows, mv and even enterprise conference and before opening your mouth, you should check the website of the church...
Thats Emmanuel Presbyterian Church, The place who used by LSM is “ main sanctuary “ with has no cross(most band/artist perform this place) and the one has it called Westminster Chapel.
It’s not a Catholic Church, it’s a Presbyterian Church who broke away from Catholic in the 15-16th century.
Its the same its A CHURCH.
@@ryangerald736 Well, 1st Presbyterian church is not a Catholic. 2nd the room is being used for event and concert it's called SANCTUARY (not a church)3rd. they have 2 main chapel on the other side(Westminster and Chichester chapel).
@@ryangerald736 Take note , their at the sanctuary room not the chapel.
@@ryangerald736 Search, Emmanuel Presbyterian Church lost angeles tour in CZcams. So u can fact check this place. That place doesn't have cross inside.
@@ryangerald736 Search, Emmanuel Presbyterian Church lost angeles tour in CZcams. So u can fact check this place. That place(Sanctuary )doesn't have cross inside.
3:16 yes exactly everyone hates to admit manchae is growing up, shes going to be an adult this year
i feel like you guys automatically assume whenever someone voices an opinion or thought theyre deeply offended and it affects them heavily like. no. people can point out something and talk about the deeper idea instead of it being construed as them being violently angry.
About the pronunciation. Additionally, I think in swan song, it sounds like they say black swan - eh. So what though. I am sure Yunjin would know how to pronounce swan if that were the issue. But obviously this is what they are going for. It didn't even occur to me to complain. For all I know they are saying a different word in Korean and I just don't hear it right. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (Edit: It says black swan nan; nan as in "I'm a" in Korean, shows you what I know), Folks we are listening to Korean music. It's usually sung in Korean, sometimes with some English here and there. To an international fanbase. Please give it a rest. ✌🏼 Peace
I agree with everything you've said infact haters are people who make them famous 😂
Well, 1st Presbyterian church is not a Catholic. 2nd the room is being used for event and concert it's called SANCTUARY (not a church)3rd. they have 2 main chapel on the other side(Westminster and Chichester chapel).
Take a note their at the sanctuary room not the chapel.
Emmanuel Presbyterian Church in lost angeles has sanctuary, parlor room, 2 chapel , gym, rooftop basketball court and Parish hall.
Please stop being shocked by every little thing...
I'm Catholic and I don't care at all that the video is set in a church. Or rather I am happy that our churches are being highlighted and that something is happening there.
It's probably not even a real church ! Or a reformed church like there are a lot today used for concert or museum.
So stop the sterile controversies and displaying yourselves as pseudo victims at the slightest religious sign.
It just doesn't make sense in the 21st century...
im not offended by the church but rather the crowns, nuns, the evil eye,
Huhhhh
wtf why are u happy secular music is being filmed in a representation of a church are u ok.
I agree
its not a church 😭
This happens when they debut minors..
They even dont know how to respect a religion 😢
Remember it wasn’t in a church she said
Sakura is far from a minor
your opinions are so based. nothing to add. ppl are crazy. i‘m happy the company and the girls do not engage with these so called "critics"💀
what does this even mean
yea its just her personal take on them. nothing really factual except for the church one. 17 year olds are more mature becasue they discover things prior to. even minors younger than 17. eunchae being a minor in this kind of industry is wrong enough.
its literally just an opinion if u dont like it leave 🔥
@@eunvaise girl i said i agree with you
I liked dancing and dressing sexy my whole teen years when I could get away with it. Because we are in a hypersexualized culture and its normalized and lauded. However this left me in a vulnerable state where I very easily could have been groomed if I wasn't lucky and also led to more body image issues. I also didn't see the problem when I was your age. But in hindsight I wish someone had told me there's no rush to grow up.
We need to draw the line somewhere, and I don't think 18/19 is bad, precisely because less people are outraged about eunchae right now. What really gets me is the fact that adults profit off all this. I don't know how these industry execs sleep at night if they have any morals. A kid dancing in high school isn't bejng exploited in the same way as eunchae and of course many other idols
I have a video on my channel from a few years ago if you want more perspective
You can’t film in a church especially since they changed the cross to their logo!! And even worse. The person that allowed is also problematic.
The controversy should have never started with Hybe wanting to film in a church. And yes it’s a church
In all fairness, I never even noticed that the backdrop in the MV looked like a church. Then again, if a church is purely for worshipping-purposes, why build massive structures with beautifull architecture and glass? I'm not religeous myself so I could be completely ignorant (please let me know a different viewpoint if that is the case) but for now I can't help but see churches as partly aesthetic buidlings as well and it would be up to the church if they allow someone to film in there or not. Now that it has been confirmed to be a "regular" filming-site this only shows more that people are waaay to quick to jump on a hate train or be offended imho.
REgarding the dance, when I first listened to the song I thought it was a massive ass-shaking-song (in a very good way tho, it's the best song on the album imho) and it's not surprising thats exactly what the choreo is. But also here, it's not that they didn't shake their behinds in Antifragile or Unforgiven or something... To me this dance is not that much worse then those. Plus you do see in the live performance that Eunchae is holding back/performing alternate moves so they did tune it down a bit. But you are right, the moment a minor is debuted in a group they are sexualised. Sad but true. Le Sserafim (particularly the company) is catering to this with their styling and choreo's.
Well, If someone worships god, then obviously they’ll make the place to worship that god magnificent and opulent. From what I’m aware, orthodox churches were so big and beautifully sculpted for a multitude of reasons. They worship god, just like you mentioned. Isn’t that the answer itself??? Worshipping isn’t just merely praying and reciting scriptures. They worship a god, and hence see that particular god as the higher being that deserves nothing less of the utmost devotion. Churches are made to look so beautiful because it is believed it is the least that can be done for god. I suggest you look up articles on this, there’s quite a lot that are easy to comprehend !!
As for the situation at hand, (imo) it’s a mixed bag. A lot of people don’t seem to care or think it was that big of a deal, but some people felt genuinely uncomfortable and hurt, and hence disliked the mv. Its a messy topic to detangle and determine who’s in the right or wrong, or if there’s even a right and wrong. As for the dance, it’s upsetting how normalised minors doing ‘sexy’ dance moves has become. Lesserafim had a great comeback, I just hope they won’t make eunchae do such chores in the future.
Also I’m so sorryyyyy kskskskss I wrote an entire para 😭😭😭
@@Cherylmayblii Thanks for your reply and I get your point as it being a gesture or symbolism of appreciaction to god. Makes perfect sense.
Then it would be more a matter of the church itself allowing the filming of such content, but also the company requesting to film at a sensitive site in the first place. Then again, as this was not a church but a movie-site with the religeous symbols removed, Hybe surely knew what they were looking for and took the risk of criticism with it.
@@TKoote Actually I think they did used some symbols in the mv, maybe nothing obvious like a big cross, but still I noticed a few:
- one of the neons in the background you looks like a hamsa hand which is an amulet commonly used in middle east
- another that is a heart surrounded by flames and the letters “lsf” is similar to the symbol of heart of Jesus surrounded by thorns and little flame at the top (sometimes they would also put letters “ihs” which is a monogram for the name Jesus)
- the eye neons could be interpreted as all seeing eye of God or as a nazar protecting from the evil eye
- Also the scene where Yunjin is lying on Chaewon is form of pieta, which is a pose often find in Christian art depicting Saint Mary holding body of Christ after his death
To me it’s like picking and mixing together some occult and christianity symbols purely for aesthetic purposes, which is quite ignorant.
Obviously the team behind the visuals is to be blamed, but I doubt they would care at all 😅
@@Cherylmayblii they song is very catchy and cool, but as a religious person, i’m dont rlly like how they did it in a church. Its fine that they weren’t doing and witchcraft or anything, but the clothes and the dance
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2:04 as a south african, the blaccent was kinda odd though
Stopped at 0:29. the problem is you and you dont even know
watch the whole video before you comment lmfao
True that!
the video is very disrespectful
in what way 💀
@@eunvaise FR
tbh about the whole ‘smart’ pronunciation thing, it’s seriously not that deep. when it comes to kpop girl groups, people will nit pick for the smallest things to hate esp when they are as successful and popular 😭
True tho..I'm going to be 17 this year and i dance to viviz manisc and kiof nobody knows viral parts daily lmao😅
But you don't have to according to a contract which would cost you several thousand Dollar to break and don't do it in front of thousands of people
nope, it’s different. ur doing it cause u want to
idols dont have a choice, they are obligated to do it and have thousands/millions of people watching them.
whether they are okay with it or not they still have to perform those choreos
like the other person said.. theyre under a contract that they cannot break
The double standards with people are real. Its very hard to stick on to your principles and morality when on the other side is your favourite k-pop group. Girl... we get you. Its nothing new. Christianity has been vandalised by artists time and time again.Black culture and music have been used by people for monetary purposes and what not,its not anything new. Its just that earlier it was white Americans now it's by white Asians😌. And girl just because everyone is doing something doesn't mean its right by default. Revolutionary changes which demoralised slavery and female oppression didn't come over night it took years to stand against oppression and bring a change.
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@@przxyuasry but that drag was ass 🗣️🔥
@@2viviclock it omg
@@przxyua Chile ate what? The plate is still full, cold, and stale 💀💀
My issue with smart, and other K-pop groups who use/make Afro-beat music every now & then is not necessarily the fact that they are doing it. It’s that when they make that type of music, they r praised but when African/Caribbean people do it, it’s suddenly “too” cultural.
but its not necessarily their fault for that, people are just shitty for that
Hmm I've actually never seen those instances but thats so stupid to hate on Africans or African Americans for that. That's like saying traditional Korean music is too "cultural"
My question does the venue even classify as a church the definition of a church is " a building used for public christian worship" and the venue CLEARLY does nit fit that description (P.S I am a christian)
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it's probably not even a real church why people so overthinking?
some fandoms want pulling to down lesserafim
It doesn't matter if it's real church or not. The song and dancing was really good ngl. But I know it's just WRONG. It's still disrespectful, they replace the cross with their logo, and the eyes???
u js need to know that christianity isnt a concept you shouldn’t even be dancing with clothes like that in a church anyway
OMG this building already allowed for Music video and Movie so many why complain now? you said that's replace the cross with their logo you don't even know this building inside design more learn to the immanuel presbyterian church and then people need to more grow up why a bigot only don't have cross that's still ok if you not okay that's your i'm out @@hulnhulnn7304
it being a real church or not doesn’t matter it’s disrespectful to christians that’s that
@@hulnhulnn7304How is it wrong if it is not a real church? If it is not a church then that means it is a regular building. How can it be wrong then?
their literally saying "im a SMARTER baby smarter" not smartah
yeah we get it now
Lets point out the truth about all this nonsense. When this comeback dropped and everyone realised LSF leveled up instead of stagnanting. The toxic mindset of no one is better than my fav group kicked in and the Christian thing was just an easy way to dogpile on the group to try and bring them down.
At the end of the day none of these weirdos actually care that it was shot at a set of a church.
Ask them where did their hate brought them?! Absolutely nothing!
FINALLY FINALLY!! BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE ARE JSUT HATING AND HATING AND NOT SEARCHING THE FACTS
Looks like you're missing the point here! About smart; the issue is way more than just "smartah"... The thing is that kpop fans have acted very racist agaisnt black people, the most recent example would be the misunderstanding about le sserafim posts about their brand when they used a black model. So a lot of people not only blk people were angry cause it is a fact that without black and african culture kpop does not exist. Or at the very least would have trouble surviving. On the other hand, the whole smart song is heavily inspired by Tyla we talking about the song, the clothes and even the choreo, so yeah obvioulsly they say "smartah" and not smarter fro a reason.
Don't get me wrong, the song is very catchy, however it is getting tiring that people would litteraly spit on any culture, and then praise their favorite kpop group which is using that same culture. As a black person, i am tired. I just wish kpop was a safer place for blk kpop stans.
BTW!!! This is business so i am not necessarily mad at the group, le sserafim is always jumping on any trends anyways idk what hybe is doing with them.
but isn't "smartah" like a brit pronunciation? what's the problem with it?
wdym "i just wish kpop was a safer place for black kpop stans". kpop was always about the music, but people choose fight over dumb things. when a kpop idol says the n-word, im like "okay, im never associating myself with this idol again", end of story, i moved on with my life. people should not let such things stick around in their minds then complain "its not a safe place", then dont BE in that place..? if yk what im talking about.
@@eunvaisegirl imo your take on the "smart" cheography was not it. The 27 year olds you are talking about , they probably have no eyes on them. They are not performing in front of millions of people. And the dance is not just hip shaking. Anti fragile also had hip shaking. This is proper" butt" shaking and who knows what kind of people are watching that performance. You defending this is insane.
lmfao search up the actual lyrics before getting offended. they said "smarter" not "smart."
@@Army_stayy_slayyy looks like you're the one s3xualizing her body here...
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The song the match the visuals 😢
it didn't even look like a church, yet le sserafim are blamed for this?
idc lol , there is already clarification the church has been used in many industries..stop making content for ur sake
About the church thing. Not trying to defend her but you cant just go there and dance, you have to get a special permission. And yeah, maybe they should have picked a different location but if the church is okay i dont get the whining
If it was any other religion it would not be okay. Extremely disrespectful! The church is considered a sacred place for any Bible-believing person. What is the NEED to film in that type of setting?
@@Itsmeemili why would have been okay it it was another religion?? Yall should be mad at the church for allowing this.
Did you even watch the video it was not filmed in a Church like you even get the real location 🤨like you guys arguing for nothing...
@@clarabessede7360 I'm not even arguing? I could care less about this whole situation but let's not pretend that is not a church.
@@blushyrosie886 girl are you ..? Ugh see that is a venue it's a room that looks like a church that is arranged like a church but is NOT a church because you know what? There's no cross for goddamn sake. So what that's a church? then if i take multiple desks and chairs and put them in a room in my house then it's a classroom? I swear i don't understand some people 👁👄👁
you're soo honest with your reviews
is this satire 😂
@@eunvaise ??
Tbh you're 100% Right imo
Why is the kpop fandom so full of young people with the exact same views as conservative old men? Like, they used religious imagery in a less transgressive way than Madonna did in the 80s, and a 17 year old did a vaguely provocative dance wearing slightly revealing clothing. None of this is scandalous, or even very interesting. Everyone needs to go watch a John Waters film or read some Octavia Butler or just experience anything a little bit subversive so you might broaden your minds a tiny tiny bit.
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Ppl get mad at anything
Getting mad cuz they disrespected a religion? Yes we are
@@Ha4youngg but im christian myself and idgaf things in movies happened all the time but nobody does anything
@@darklightss_ you should be troubled at someone mocking your religion. Dancing in a place that's supposed to be a church while there's an eye instead of the cross should disturb you very much.
@@wowimflyingUuuuu how is that lsfms fault, theyre not in charge of that tho, its their job to follow orders so if you’re mad direct it towards hybe not the girls
@@darklightss_ I'm not blaming the girls. Ik how idols have to follow the stuff they are told to.
But you as a Christian should not defend this at all. Don't fall for worldly desires.
If I’m being honest I don’t know why people bash the group members when they have no choice to things like preforming in disrespectful places, singing songs with swears and having ‘inappropriate’ dance moves, they would most likely loose there job as an idol if they disagree to what the company’s telling them. Bash the company not the girls!!!
Anyways,
The church issue:
It wasn’t a church! They preformed on a movie set which is not a church. And if it was, the blame is on whoever let them preform at the ‘church’ in the first place ( as said in the video ) As a Christian I’d feel a bit more upset towards this if it was a real church, as most people feel right now, but I know most people mad at the group for this rn is probably unaware that it wasn’t a real church.
The ‘smart’ song
This really pissed me off. It’s just a song, the world will end if someone ‘miss pronounced’ a word omggg! They didn’t even say ‘smart’ they said smarter. They are a Korean group, so English isn’t their native language, so obviously it’s normal for them to not pronounce words accurately just like we do. Just because they pronounce ‘smarter’ different doesn’t mean they’re copying a native American accent.
The song being ‘different’
Time changes, new inspirations, new concepts, new songs, new groups. Not every K-pop song is gonna be all cutesy, and just because it got a different concept doesn’t mean it’s not K-pop-y, it’s still K-pop either way. They sing in Korean, under a Korean company and are native Koreans, therefore it’s K-pop. They have done other songs like this as said in the video so it’s nothing new, along with other groups doing ‘different’ concepts like this. Comments that say things like that is really stereotyping kpop, and what happened to ‘different’ is good, but when a group does a unique concept it’s the worst thing ever?
The choreo:
Although 17 is a miner, people need to stop babying her, seventeen year olds are mature and shouldn’t be treated like they are an infant, she’s 17 not 10. Of topic but when I was ten I did a lot worse dancing and wore small crop tops. I get that she was in front of a crowd but teens in high school preform a lot worse things. Also no mater what in the entertainment industry you will be sexualised no mater what you do! How old you are, what you were or how you dance. It happens to everyone, everyday and there is no way to really stop this, even changing the choreo or outfit won’t do much. ( its disgusting ) She signed up to being an idol which means preforming in front of people, which basically guarantees someone sexualising you.
Overall I do wish people would just do research before assuming things, and I hope people will stop getting mad at the groups because it’s the company’s who do this.
Thanks for reading (if you did) this is all my opinion, so if you disagree that’s fine cause everyone has a different opinion, thanks for your time
Bye 💗💗
Girl it was a church search it up, the church became popular due to its beautiful architecture. They still worship God and Bible studies etc…
@@laviecestenrouge 1:25
@@Cchloeelovesssblackpink i literally did my info, stop believing everything u see online n search it up for urself
yawn anyways stan le sserafim
Yawn anyways le sserafim was disrespecting christians
@@Maryamlovesmanythingswhy blame it on the girls
@@Maryamlovesmanythings Oh yes, blame the girls and not the multimillion dollar corporation that approved for the music video to be shot in the church etc etc
@@saeicid they still posted pics on ig with them in the church wearing revealing clothes...
this so called "controversies" that people are making up is definitely gonna be in a "top 10 controversies that makes no sense" video LMFAO haters these days really trying their best to find anything they can hate on, and the worst part is that even some of the fans are joining in on the nonesense controversies that the haters are making up IM DEAD LMFAOOO
Using crosses, a former church, and nuns for aesthetic purposes is outright disrespectful and shameful, period. Personally, as a Christian, I wouldn't even entertain the thought of entering a mosque and parading around in revealing clothes in front of their sacred space, whether for kicks or as an aesthetic choice. They've replaced the cross with their logo, devil eyes, and included nuns in the building-all undermining the symbolic significance of Christianity, which they didn't even need to bring into the music video but chose to do so. Their dancing in revealing clothes and performing sexual dances in front of a sacred holy place is utterly offensive. If you're incapable or too young to grasp the significance of culture and religion, then please restrain yourself from commenting your opinion on this subject. It was a terrible opinion to even share in the first place because you clearly lack cognitive thinking abilities
@@fwtens203 ask again who clrealy lacks cognitive thinking abilities, 1st of all im with the video/creator here, i agree that christianity/religion shouldnt be taken as an aesthetic here but cmon who ever allowed them and told them to film there is clearly the one who's to blame, not the members, the members are clearly just doing what they are told and thought, keep in mind that the members arent the one's who put those neon light there. 2nd of all my comment is for the so called controversy of the members pronouncing smart/smarter in a different way cause it definitely just sound so stupid like you
@@riizelvr yes that is what im trying to say, it was unbelievable for me to see that people are getting pressed over pronounciations like wtf is wrong with this generation
@@fwtens203 you snowflakes really just start assuming things instead of asking what the comment was for, you interpreted my comment like im out here saying "its fine to film in a church guys" no bro, you dum as hell cant you tell that what i meant by "controversies" is controversies in general not just the controversies that was stated in the video you dum dum, theres a whole lot more controversies about idols that makes zero sense. JUST LIKE THE SMATAH CONTROVERSY dam you really needed a whole explanation to undetstand a single comment
@@fwtens203 i had zero opinion about the church controversy what are you yapping about LMFAO, what got me pressed are the nonsense controversies in general that people are making up just to hate on idols. what else dont you understand and what else have you misenterpreted from my comment lmfao, ask bro ask, it doesnt hurt you ego to ask right? stop assuming all of the negativity and ask the simple question of "what do you mean by that" f**kin snowflake lmao
It's not just about the PLACE,the CHURCH,but how they portray acolytes and the pastor when they're entering the church, dancing inappropriately in the ALTAR, changing the SACRED HEART OF JESUS symbol and placing their LSM logo into it, changing the cross to their logo, do some research y'all 💀 y'all think it's just about the church but there is more, idc if they're atheist but at least respect some people's religion, religion it's not just an aesthetics👎
There are many kinds of unique places and concepts, but they're choosing religion TO BE DIFFERENT and UNIQUE?? Smh
why does her voice sound familliar ???
i hear jojo siwa😭
I love their comeback by the way and you made a great video 🙂!
Girl it's clear that you're obsessed with le serafim so you're defending them
Girls it's clear you're a le sserafim hater first research don't just jump to conclusions and you guys are so salty that they are breaking records and topping charts with an mini album lmfao 😂😂
The church thing was debunked and maybe read the lyrics to the song. They're singing "smarter" and not smart, so there's nothing wrong with the pronunciation
@@DraculauraLovely dumbass r u living under a rock in 4th gen new jeans le sserafim and aespa are the one's rulling and yunjin message just goes over your low IQ brain nobody can change unless they themselves want to yunjin just tries to put across her message as an idol that how much toxic the fans of this industry and industry in it self is and even if 1% understand it's enough and about that church thing there's ain't even a cross there that is
Set used in countless movies and music videos including excorism movie which I'm sure u dumbass watched it
And plz don't delete my comment if u aren't bothered lol😂😂
Le sserafim is irrelevant r u living under a rock there's only three k-pop girl group in 4th gen ruling right now and they are new jeans, le sserafim and aespa.
Yunjin message just goes over your low IQ lol and I don't even care to explain to ur cracked brain
And about that church thing that isn't a real church u dumbass that a set where countless movies and music videos are filmed and a famous film exorcist was filmed there which I'm sure ur dumbass watched it
And don't delete my comment if ur not affected lol 😂😂
@auraLovely now try actually searching up the lyrics before u embarrass urself even more than u already did. 💀official lyrics literally say "smarter" not "smart." and if you actually bothered to look for information you would know that they filmed at immanuel presbyterian church in los angeles, which has been used as a set for music videos and films in the past like the amazing spiderman, legally blonde 2, john wick, and the gay men's chorus of los angeles filmed their cover of true colors in the set. so the church gave their permission. even if it's wrong, it's on the members, it's on the church.
the church thing....... i'm gonna said that what if it was a filming studio where the whole background was just designed like a church? come on people, you don't even know their background or behind the scene, how will y'all so sure that they were filming in church? when "behind the scene" of this video upload, watch first before you judge
you haters are just too much....... are you that boring? wasting your time just to hate them? why not using it for doing other things insteading of hating them, sending hate comments? not worth it at all
ps : i'm talking to those stupid haters whom hate le sserafim for no fking reason
The premise was still a Church though? That doesn't really change anything. The people calling this out aren't haters, these are people, like myself, staying true to their religions. How would you react if it had been a muslim mosque? Or a temple? Or basically any other religions place of worship Have a think about that before you go writing such a tone deaf comment like yours.
@ccelisabeth I'm Christian. Guess what this is not offensive to me. There are western artist that used true Christian symbols in disrespectful ways so many times in their music videos while This is not a true church and it never was meant to appear as a christian church. I don't know about other religion but using a deconsecrated church it's not offensive at all. And lets not forget that they were not doing offensive dance moves nor they used offensive lyrics to begin with :/ even the outfit are not a problem since they are not in a church and the figures at the beginning are not nuns.
So what's the disrespect? Help a christian understand 😂
Can you all stop with this fake woke agenda every damn comeback and enjoy music????
Thank you for your comment.
Every lesserafim comeback is a nightmare. I can't go on Twitter because there are only people hating. I can't use yt either because when I search their videos only this kind of videos show up. Haters can't leave them alone. Every damn comeback they invent a new story to drag them. For "easy" they could only came up with the church drama. These people are a disgrace to music . They don't deserve a single release from their fav artist. They are only here to hate others works, no passion at all for music.
@@misamane9 dawg what are you even yapping about they literally changed to cross into their logo had nuns praising them had the evil eye in the church and yunjin was dancing in her undies
@rsfpanda a deconsecrated church is not a church, it has no meaning other than a normal building. With the boy scout, we slept in one once, with our undies and pajama 🤣 here in Europe those ere used for music parties too. The one in the mv was a film location for many movies and music videos. They even used guns in there while filming a movie.
And those are not nuns. I don't know about your country, but in Vatican, they don't dress with organza 🤔 about the "evil eye" I don't remember the Bible describing it with a photo that resembles the one in lesserafim mv. I don't remember the lesserafim eye having a glowing sign saying "i'm the mighty evil eye" neither.
Stop grasping at straws
oh yea. you ate this one.
but i dont see any crucifix or any religious objects in the MV why is it offensive? 😂 people are too dumb nowadays 😂😂😂
the reason its offensive is that they replaced the cross with their logo wore crowns that represented Jesus when he got crucified had the evil eye in a church and had nuns praising them like they were gods..
@@rsfpandajesus isnt even real ffs
Is it that hard to not be toxic towards other people religion??
@@animetal420 girl bffr.
@@ryangerald736 is it hard to see the MV in an artistic way? im catholic but this doesnt offend me at all, are u guys for real? hahaha
Your takes are very concerning.
hahaha salty as f