I think that was her point, that some people see eating disorders as minor mental health illness, but that is certainly not the case with a 1 in 4 mortality rate. Traditionally schizophrenia, psychotic disorders, bipolar disorder, mood disorders are characterised as the serious mental health problems- but these actually respond very well to medication. However like anxiety disorders, OCD, PTSD, eating disorders are wrongly seen as milder, as they can be just as debilitating for many people with these disorders and for some, medications don't help.
I wish she didn’t say just ‘young women’ as Eating Disorders affect every age, gender race and economic background. But I am grateful it was brought up as Eds affect every part of your body and the cost to the government of medical complications and hospitalisation for EDs is significantly higher than the cost of supporting people in the community. 😞
I am sorry but where is this money?!!! I have waited 4 years for a ptsd diagnosis to only receive 24 sessions for cbt therapy… the only thing that seems to exist for ALL mental health conditions in the UK 🙄🤨. When I experienced trauma 4 yrs back, I was given a “COUNSELLOR”!!! And “therapists” who clearly weren’t qualified for the job and this I know because the therapy they gave- Did nothing but add hot oil on an injury. Now I say all of this to say… where is all of this money they are soo keen on talking about?! Because that money isn’t reaching the people who need help.
Can I ask what is wrong with a Counsellor? Counsellors are therapists. Usually they are trauma trained. And 24 sessions of CBT is more than the average person would receive. Genuine question- what type of therapy would you want?
@@London719Sorry, have to say,counsellors are not therapists. Therapists follow a protocol, programme, process, at least NHS therapists do. And I have nothing bu😊t praise for counsellors.
Can’t understand where that budget for mental health support is going because it is terrible, there is no help. Youre just thrown pills at and told you cant access free therapy if you have a more serious condition like BPD.
@Chloe98724 well said. I appreciate you mentioning BPD too and to answer that a lot of mental health professionals don’t have the tools to deal with personality disorders so for the most part refuse to treat it accordingly. Very unfortunate for suffers of this illness as it keeps stigma very much alive.
I know that I don't know your conditions or situation. However, for me, I went through a spiral of depression a few years ago. Ended up in debt, homeless, and living rough on the streets. Trying to get my life back on track, was relocated 300 miles thanks to a charity, and had a roof over my head. At one point last year, I felt I was getting back and contacted MIND. They referred me to a government help center. They were very supportive and helped me through this little glitch. I don't mean to degrade anyone's experience here, just wanted to tell my story.
I agree that some people do claim to not be able to work for very minor issues. You know some people say they're sad a couple times a week and say they have depression but this is a minority. As someone with extremely complex mental health needs I've not been able to work. BPD is extremely stigmatised among employers too which makes it hard to get a job in the first place let alone hold it down. I would love to work but I need the support that just isn't there so I have no idea where this 'invested money' has gone to. I have always said that even if the NHS magically got extra funding, the mental health sector would not see any of it
Unfortunately there just isn't the money as so many people have decided they have a mental health problem. The NI needs to go up by 50% and people just won't pay it.
I feel like the problem is that certain mental health conditions such as anxiety, depression, ocd and eating disorders can feel easier to reach out for help around. Whereas other conditions such as pmdd, psychosis, schizophrenia and personality disorders tend to feel much "scarier" when it comes to asking for help. I know when im in the thick of a pmdd episode the way my mh is during and before my period feels very "embarrassing" and almost shameful
I wish people would just live their lives...I get down...depressed...it's life.... anxiety?!isn't it just a feeling?I play golf...get anxious over a 5 foot putt ...I haven't mental health issues... honestly...I'm not saying it's a problem but people jump on band wagon...poor poor me...I can go to work today as im down 😢...or anxious 😢... seriously people need to grow up and just live their lives... everyone so sensitive...this country is a mess right now!!
Nadine Dorries Lady Barking might not be the best person to speak on this issue, and in true form Nick Ferrari the government mouth piece in full action 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Mental illness is incredibly real and I empathise and support those that genuinely suffer. However mental health has almost become ‘trendy’ among younger generations and SOME, not all use this to their advantage. Example - taking mental health days from school, college and employment. You see it all over social media everybody and their granny has a mental illness these days. In my opinion it is taking away real concern from genuine people that truly are suffering from mental illness. Not everybody will agree with my viewpoint but if you look closely you will see mental illness and ‘mental health’ is nowadays extremely manipulative.
@@bereal6590 Who said that? What’s ‘whiney’ about what I wrote? Where have I expressed that I suffer with mental illness? And why is my opinion so selfish?
I don’t want to diminish other people’s suffering but I kind of agree with you… I saw some “mental health” tops advertised online recently and (as someone who was hospitalised with psychosis) was disgusted by the slogan psyc”hot”ic. Humour can be a good coping mechanism, but not to the point that mental illness isn’t taken seriously at all! It can be deadly.
I understand it's nice for the show to have opposing views, but please: Nadine Dories? She is so far removed from reality, you can't take her serious. Calling an eating disorder a minor mental health problem. She should have been carried off set.
My mental health took a massive downturn due to my old employer Jaguar Land Rover. One unreasonable overload after another broke me. On my abs review I was told to get well cuz your workload would be increasing. This company just give lip service to mental Health. Somebody needs to step in with companies like this
Why? you don't have to watch her. Take control of your own health. Mental or anything else if you haven't physically broken anything. You'll end up much stronger having taken control yourself.
@ZzzZzz968 Anything that comes out of her mouth, i.e., saying channel 4 is publicly funded. Voting against gay marriage. Believes (still) that Boris Johnson should be Prime Minister ....... etc, etc.
That people in healthcare don’t want to work in mental health - courses for PhDs in psychology are ridiculously competitive and graduates are guaranteed a job when they qualify because the NHS is crying out for them.
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Almost everybody now are going around saying that they are mentally ill and playing the mental health card because its become an attention seeking trend and its terrible for the people out there who genuinely do have serious mental health problems who dont have any help and get looked at like they have six heads because the system is clogged up with attention seeking tiktokers.
Hi This Morning Team, I am someone with personal experience of an Eating Disorder who has gone on to be a trained and experienced professional working in the area. I created a dynamic online self help service called The Eating Disorder Recovery Companion. I'd love to talk to you about it!
If you have depression or anxiety, they worse thing you can do is sit at home and not work. Speaking from experience and studies, a routine and a meaning to get up every morning is the best thing for anxiety and depression. Yes it’s not easy to begin with. But it will improve your life and mental health.
Completely agree, I suffer from depression and anxiety since a back injury at work 4 years ago. I’ve got multiple operations (already had one) I need to have 2 more so I’m still unable to go out to work, but being stuck indoors is absolutely crippling, I’ve taken 2 overdoses at my lowest point, but luckily now I’m under a good support system that helps mental stimulation etc but it’s still such a big problem and it’s a shame it took so long to finally get that support but it’s the same for so many others
Completely disagree. I have GAD (generalised anxiety disorder) and panic attacks. I have suffered with anxiety since the age of 15 and it is debilitating. My quality of life has never been good. It’s not as easy as you think for people with these serious illnesses to ‘get up every morning’. I appreciate that there are some people who use these terms ‘depressed’ or ‘anxious’ as an overstatement for stresses in daily life. But for some of us, daily tasks and having a routine are what we struggle with the most and we wish it was that easy, so we could live a normal life. I hope that the people who are seriously struggling with depression and anxiety do not get dismissed and told to get into a routine…
Your experience is not universal. What is right for you won't be right for everyone. There are people with anxiety and depression who are too sick to go outside
Ok there is a difference between general life anxiety and a diagnosis of anxiety as a mental illness. Many mental illnesses are anxiety disorders or have anxiety as a comorbidity. Anxiety can be mild yes, it can also be totally debilitating (mental illness exists on a spectrum) agoraphobia, ocd are anxiety disorders and anxiety is a comorbidity with -most eating disorder sufferers also have anxiety.. anxiety can drive people to suicide, anxiety can make people unable to leave their homes.. let's not minimise anxiety and understand there is a difference between the 'stresses of life' and chronic mental illness. Anxiety can be a chronic mental illness
@@mariannehavisham8323People just self diagnose themselves as having anxiety and therefore can't work...that's the problem...I understand the extreme cases must be terrible but lots of people use anxiety and depression to stay off work without any doctors involved... companies should ask for doctors note otherwise get rid
I've used and abused the mental health brush and im not ashamed to say it. Its too easy especialy with drs who are overstretched and will just sign you off. I'm 3 out of a team of 12 at my insurance company who are currently signed off with mental health, and i know one of them is blagging it as he was the one who explained how easy it is, which prompted me. Big companies barrage us with all this woke stuff and mental health so i took advantage of it. I've been off 13 months, and the first 9 were full pay. Now im on ssp and top up benefits, and you know what? You can more than survive.
There is absolutely no point in throwing money at Mh. In our trust in 2016 the CEO was in £240 k a year plus benefits,her team were all being paid vast amounts of money .Despite hundreds of people dying in her watch and hundreds of deaths not investigated… The money is NOt being spent on frontline staff who work at least 12 hours a day with very challenging patients. They are not paid lunch breaks so most do not take them. Nurses burn out and have very little support form their own managers. Of course they will not attract nurses who wants to board a sinking ship? The whole NHs culture needs to change . Locally we have just 28 beds for Mh patients. They are also prescribing way too much medication which adds huge costs. Many give electric shock therapy and patent up never recovering or go on to take their life anyway. I have personal ongoing experience with the frightening, dangerous, inhuman service. I am not the patient!
Ashley James or whatever her name is , lassie in the blue dress ..... I was cringing when she kept looking down at a pre-prepared statement she had and then made a fool of herself . Her answer for getting people back to work and the mental health crisis is to pay doctors and nurses .... WHAT ? . As for 1.9 million on a waiting list for mental health ... what does that even mean as I have been referred very quickly by NHS 111 and my own GP for mental health support . Also have to say that the sector I work in , sales in a work from home contact centre role , is very pro active with mental health support and have 36 trained mental health first aiders . I do see both sides of the argument as I see it first hand in work that people through the mental health card around for the most minor thing BUT the people who have REAL mental health issues must be supported . That Ashley made a fool of herself .
I really appreciate that eating disorders were brought up. It really is not a “minor mental illness” and it needs to be talked about.
Same. They are so incredibly far from minor. Sending you love 🫶
@@katiejohnston3844 aw thank you so much🥹 I hope you are doing ok and remember you are worth every single thing life has to offer you❤️
I think that was her point, that some people see eating disorders as minor mental health illness, but that is certainly not the case with a 1 in 4 mortality rate. Traditionally schizophrenia, psychotic disorders, bipolar disorder, mood disorders are characterised as the serious mental health problems- but these actually respond very well to medication. However like anxiety disorders, OCD, PTSD, eating disorders are wrongly seen as milder, as they can be just as debilitating for many people with these disorders and for some, medications don't help.
I wish she didn’t say just ‘young women’ as Eating Disorders affect every age, gender race and economic background. But I am grateful it was brought up as Eds affect every part of your body and the cost to the government of medical complications and hospitalisation for EDs is significantly higher than the cost of supporting people in the community. 😞
Eating disorders are a social contagion. The worst thing you can do is talk about it on national media. We learned this from the Japanese ED epidemic.
I am sorry but where is this money?!!! I have waited 4 years for a ptsd diagnosis to only receive 24 sessions for cbt therapy… the only thing that seems to exist for ALL mental health conditions in the UK 🙄🤨. When I experienced trauma 4 yrs back, I was given a “COUNSELLOR”!!! And “therapists” who clearly weren’t qualified for the job and this I know because the therapy they gave- Did nothing but add hot oil on an injury.
Now I say all of this to say… where is all of this money they are soo keen on talking about?! Because that money isn’t reaching the people who need help.
Can I ask what is wrong with a Counsellor? Counsellors are therapists. Usually they are trauma trained. And 24 sessions of CBT is more than the average person would receive. Genuine question- what type of therapy would you want?
@@London719Sorry, have to say,counsellors are not therapists. Therapists follow a protocol, programme, process, at least NHS therapists do. And I have nothing bu😊t praise for counsellors.
Can’t understand where that budget for mental health support is going because it is terrible, there is no help. Youre just thrown pills at and told you cant access free therapy if you have a more serious condition like BPD.
Spot on
@Chloe98724 well said. I appreciate you mentioning BPD too and to answer that a lot of mental health professionals don’t have the tools to deal with personality disorders so for the most part refuse to treat it accordingly. Very unfortunate for suffers of this illness as it keeps stigma very much alive.
‘wellbeing practitioners’ who have like 45 days training in mental health it’s a joke. e
I've been going round in circles for 3 years 😩
I know that I don't know your conditions or situation. However, for me, I went through a spiral of depression a few years ago. Ended up in debt, homeless, and living rough on the streets.
Trying to get my life back on track, was relocated 300 miles thanks to a charity, and had a roof over my head.
At one point last year, I felt I was getting back and contacted MIND. They referred me to a government help center. They were very supportive and helped me through this little glitch.
I don't mean to degrade anyone's experience here, just wanted to tell my story.
Platforming Nadine Dorries is enough to drive anybody insane.
What did she say that was wrong ? That Ashley made a fool of herself
I agree that some people do claim to not be able to work for very minor issues. You know some people say they're sad a couple times a week and say they have depression but this is a minority. As someone with extremely complex mental health needs I've not been able to work. BPD is extremely stigmatised among employers too which makes it hard to get a job in the first place let alone hold it down. I would love to work but I need the support that just isn't there so I have no idea where this 'invested money' has gone to. I have always said that even if the NHS magically got extra funding, the mental health sector would not see any of it
Unfortunately there just isn't the money as so many people have decided they have a mental health problem. The NI needs to go up by 50% and people just won't pay it.
I feel like the problem is that certain mental health conditions such as anxiety, depression, ocd and eating disorders can feel easier to reach out for help around. Whereas other conditions such as pmdd, psychosis, schizophrenia and personality disorders tend to feel much "scarier" when it comes to asking for help. I know when im in the thick of a pmdd episode the way my mh is during and before my period feels very "embarrassing" and almost shameful
I wish people would just live their lives...I get down...depressed...it's life.... anxiety?!isn't it just a feeling?I play golf...get anxious over a 5 foot putt ...I haven't mental health issues... honestly...I'm not saying it's a problem but people jump on band wagon...poor poor me...I can go to work today as im down 😢...or anxious 😢... seriously people need to grow up and just live their lives... everyone so sensitive...this country is a mess right now!!
Well said Ashley!!!
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The Billy Bunter store
Nadine Dorries Lady Barking might not be the best person to speak on this issue, and in true form Nick Ferrari the government mouth piece in full action 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Mental illness is incredibly real and I empathise and support those that genuinely suffer. However mental health has almost become ‘trendy’ among younger generations and SOME, not all use this to their advantage. Example - taking mental health days from school, college and employment.
You see it all over social media everybody and their granny has a mental illness these days. In my opinion it is taking away real concern from genuine people that truly are suffering from mental illness. Not everybody will agree with my viewpoint but if you look closely you will see mental illness and ‘mental health’ is nowadays extremely manipulative.
I agree, it makes it difficult to get any real support when you truly do suffer
Utter drivel, way to go to say your whiney case is worse than someone else's! Selfish much
@@bereal6590 Who said that? What’s ‘whiney’ about what I wrote? Where have I expressed that I suffer with mental illness? And why is my opinion so selfish?
Totally agree with you x
I don’t want to diminish other people’s suffering but I kind of agree with you… I saw some “mental health” tops advertised online recently and (as someone who was hospitalised with psychosis) was disgusted by the slogan psyc”hot”ic. Humour can be a good coping mechanism, but not to the point that mental illness isn’t taken seriously at all! It can be deadly.
I understand it's nice for the show to have opposing views, but please: Nadine Dories? She is so far removed from reality, you can't take her serious. Calling an eating disorder a minor mental health problem. She should have been carried off set.
My mental health took a massive downturn due to my old employer Jaguar Land Rover. One unreasonable overload after another broke me.
On my abs review I was told to get well cuz your workload would be increasing. This company just give lip service to mental Health. Somebody needs to step in with companies like this
The number grew in the pandemic because there was a pandemic 🤦🏻♀️ which is it were people sick and had to stay home or not?!
Why on earth is Nadine getting air time
You're giving a platform to Nadine Dorries and this is damaging my mental health
She’s the only one who knows what she’s talking about on the panel
@@ZzzZzz968 Yep that Ashley made a fool of herself . Nothing wrong with what Nadine said at all.
Thought the same and was very grateful for my remote being near to hand 👍
Why? you don't have to watch her. Take control of your own health. Mental or anything else if you haven't physically broken anything. You'll end up much stronger having taken control yourself.
Yes!!!!!! Bad food and no exercise is the first thing causing mental health issues!!! No discipline in your life and no structure!!! X
Probably working from home isolated everyday is a factor too
Nadine Dorries is now a pundit on This Morning, now I've seen it all ..... Sad, so sad, Oh my god, I'm quoting Donald Trump. 😢
What did she say that was incorrect?
@ZzzZzz968 Anything that comes out of her mouth, i.e., saying channel 4 is publicly funded. Voting against gay marriage. Believes (still) that Boris Johnson should be Prime Minister ....... etc, etc.
@@fd5927what did she say that was incorrect in this debate ?
That people in healthcare don’t want to work in mental health - courses for PhDs in psychology are ridiculously competitive and graduates are guaranteed a job when they qualify because the NHS is crying out for them.
Well done ND. @@fd5927
That man with the tiny round glasses looks ridiculous and hilarious.🤣
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2 years is a very long time, Nadine? That makes you an expert? Any lived experience?
Almost everybody now are going around saying that they are mentally ill and playing the mental health card because its become an attention seeking trend and its terrible for the people out there who genuinely do have serious mental health problems who dont have any help and get looked at like they have six heads because the system is clogged up with attention seeking tiktokers.
Oh god Nick Ferrari and Nadine Dories talking on mental health...
My mental health suffered when I heard Dorries speak.
Exactly why you have to toughen up.
@@cvarnham3261
People are quite simply taking the proverbial. End off.
why is it always the people who are advocating for the right things come in with the absolute worst attitude…. yes ashley i’m talking to u
Hi This Morning Team, I am someone with personal experience of an Eating Disorder who has gone on to be a trained and experienced professional working in the area. I created a dynamic online self help service called The Eating Disorder Recovery Companion. I'd love to talk to you about it!
Love the fact that Dorries and Ferrari have faces like thunder when presented with actual facts on this issue.
If you have depression or anxiety, they worse thing you can do is sit at home and not work.
Speaking from experience and studies, a routine and a meaning to get up every morning is the best thing for anxiety and depression.
Yes it’s not easy to begin with. But it will improve your life and mental health.
Completely agree, I suffer from depression and anxiety since a back injury at work 4 years ago.
I’ve got multiple operations (already had one) I need to have 2 more so I’m still unable to go out to work, but being stuck indoors is absolutely crippling, I’ve taken 2 overdoses at my lowest point, but luckily now I’m under a good support system that helps mental stimulation etc but it’s still such a big problem and it’s a shame it took so long to finally get that support but it’s the same for so many others
Thanks Doctor.
Completely disagree. I have GAD (generalised anxiety disorder) and panic attacks. I have suffered with anxiety since the age of 15 and it is debilitating. My quality of life has never been good. It’s not as easy as you think for people with these serious illnesses to ‘get up every morning’. I appreciate that there are some people who use these terms ‘depressed’ or ‘anxious’ as an overstatement for stresses in daily life. But for some of us, daily tasks and having a routine are what we struggle with the most and we wish it was that easy, so we could live a normal life. I hope that the people who are seriously struggling with depression and anxiety do not get dismissed and told to get into a routine…
Your experience is not universal. What is right for you won't be right for everyone. There are people with anxiety and depression who are too sick to go outside
Having some anxiety is normal. Need to find ways to get through.
Anxiety is one thing, serious depression which can prevent you from doing anything is something else.
Ok there is a difference between general life anxiety and a diagnosis of anxiety as a mental illness. Many mental illnesses are anxiety disorders or have anxiety as a comorbidity. Anxiety can be mild yes, it can also be totally debilitating (mental illness exists on a spectrum) agoraphobia, ocd are anxiety disorders and anxiety is a comorbidity with -most eating disorder sufferers also have anxiety.. anxiety can drive people to suicide, anxiety can make people unable to leave their homes.. let's not minimise anxiety and understand there is a difference between the 'stresses of life' and chronic mental illness. Anxiety can be a chronic mental illness
@@mariannehavisham8323People just self diagnose themselves as having anxiety and therefore can't work...that's the problem...I understand the extreme cases must be terrible but lots of people use anxiety and depression to stay off work without any doctors involved... companies should ask for doctors note otherwise get rid
I've used and abused the mental health brush and im not ashamed to say it. Its too easy especialy with drs who are overstretched and will just sign you off.
I'm 3 out of a team of 12 at my insurance company who are currently signed off with mental health, and i know one of them is blagging it as he was the one who explained how easy it is, which prompted me. Big companies barrage us with all this woke stuff and mental health so i took advantage of it.
I've been off 13 months, and the first 9 were full pay. Now im on ssp and top up benefits, and you know what? You can more than survive.
Mental health ‘culture’ 😐
There is absolutely no point in throwing money at Mh. In our trust in 2016 the CEO was in £240 k a year plus benefits,her team were all being paid vast amounts of money .Despite hundreds of people dying in her watch and hundreds of deaths not investigated…
The money is NOt being spent on frontline staff who work at least 12 hours a day with very challenging patients. They are not paid lunch breaks so most do not take them. Nurses burn out and have very little support form their own managers.
Of course they will not attract nurses who wants to board a sinking ship?
The whole NHs culture needs to change .
Locally we have just 28 beds for Mh patients.
They are also prescribing way too much medication which adds huge costs.
Many give electric shock therapy and patent up never recovering or go on to take their life anyway.
I have personal ongoing experience with the frightening, dangerous, inhuman service. I am not the patient!
Ashley James or whatever her name is , lassie in the blue dress ..... I was cringing when she kept looking down at a pre-prepared statement she had and then made a fool of herself . Her answer for getting people back to work and the mental health crisis is to pay doctors and nurses .... WHAT ? . As for 1.9 million on a waiting list for mental health ... what does that even mean as I have been referred very quickly by NHS 111 and my own GP for mental health support . Also have to say that the sector I work in , sales in a work from home contact centre role , is very pro active with mental health support and have 36 trained mental health first aiders . I do see both sides of the argument as I see it first hand in work that people through the mental health card around for the most minor thing BUT the people who have REAL mental health issues must be supported . That Ashley made a fool of herself .
Ashley is the least likeable person on this show. Her arrogance seeps through. Awful to watch.
It was great to see Nadine and Nick giving an anti woke perspective to that ridiculously woke feminist. Good balance.
Someone's triggered
Try going to church, reading the bible, or going for a walk in nature
"Mental health culture"
Absolutely disgusting framing of a serious issue
I think Ashley is very simplistic and overly sensitive.
She optimises the modern culture of today .
I don’t agree.
@@boobopishjust get more doctors and nurses ? Not simplistic at all
I agree she got the part about doctors and nurses right. But I find her to be petty most of the time, and this segment wasn’t much different. IMO.
@@boobopishshe’s good to look at . That’s about it