CLASS 323 VS 170 LICKEY INCLINE COMPARISON!
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- čas přidán 29. 08. 2018
- In this video ive put two different trains on the same route both in same conditions, green signals, sunny weather and both departing from Bromsgrove to take on the Lickey Incline, The climb is a gradient of 1 in 37.7 and lasts 2 miles, thus being quite a challenge for any train, But here you will find out which train copes best with the incline and also how much better they cope with the incline as ive put a timer on each one! :)
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You're right, this split screen shows the stark contrast between electric and diesel traction on the Lickey Incline
Electric traction is a lot better at climbing hills than diesel traction, and this is a good example of that.
The 170s have much more comfy seats though. It's worth the extra minute or so 😀
323s sound better but 170 do sound good
The distance showed was about 2.6 miles. That gives the class 170 an average of 31.4mph, and the 323 an average of 49.5mph.
I once GPS measured a busy 170 going up the incline and it peaked at 29-30mph.
Chris Baker a man of statistics, i love this kinda stuff, wish i could pin this to the top of the comments
good enough performance ? yipee imho.. lets electrifcy it all
Adding to the comparison isn't the 323 a lot lighter than the 170 due to not having to carry all the dead weight of the petrol and the engines as well?
323 by a long way
I have driven both trains up the lickey incline and like in real life the 170 is a lot slower. I even drove a pacer up there and it wasn’t any slower than the 170. This was in train simulator btw, not in real life.
I will say the class 323 accelerated out of the station marginally better than the turbostar mate
Think I would stick with the 170 only as the seats are comfier than the 323 but if the seats were comfier on the 323 then I would pick 323
The Class 170 is a losing grip on inclines but the Class 323 is perfect on incline hills.
for the lickey section the turbostar was struggling to get up the hill but the class 323s were very good because they are electric units mate
The comparison between the two is incredible. A 3 car Class 323 has 1566hp while a 3 car Class 170 has 1266hp.
Is the 1266hp quoted for Class 170 3 car the combined crankshaft hp for the diesel engines or is it the hp at the wheels?
If it's the combined crankshaft output then the power at the wheels will somewhere between 1000hp - 1100hp due to whatever losses there are between the engines and the drive units plus power required for lighting etc. Could make a good case for electrifying the South Devon Banks between Newton Abbot and plymouth even if it is in isolation from the rest of the GW
electrified network.
Admittedly, I am not an expert on these things, however I am assuming that the combined 1266hp quoted for a Class 170 3 car is at the crank.
The main reason why the class 323 is faster is because of instant tourqe. Even if it had the same horsepower it would still be faster.
The 323 set quite likely weighs significantly less ?? No diesel weight, just transformer/switchgear
I thought it'd be a lot closer.....
Did both drivers apply full power at same time where all engine's on 170 running and providing traction....walm lookinh day so 170s hcac would be a drain on engine performances and 323 has more hp to a lower overall tonnage.....but good to see split screen difference
Where's licley incline on the top one
the class 323 went the fastest by 03:09 secs the turbostar finished the time badly 04:58 secs which is way of the class 323s time mate
Oh boy! I wish everyone of this pinheads who still oppose electrification schemes could see this! 😂
TA for evidence
The turbo was going way slower then the 323 so I think there was a Line speed difference between dieasal and electric trains
J.A.K.E B.A.K.E that means Jake the class 323 got out of the Station much better than the turbostar
J.A.K.E B.A.K.E for the lickey section the turbostar were not good up the bank but the bank suited the class 323 because they are electric multiple units and they were fantastic up the bank
J.A.K.E B.A.K.E that means the class 323 got to the top of the bank first long way ahead of the turbostar