What Writers Can Learn From The Enneagram (and Barry)
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YOU'VE GOT A TYPE:
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FR. RICHARD ROHR:
• Enneagram Type 1
CONTENTS:
00:00 Brilliant.org (sponsored segment)
1:18 enneagram good
6:12 enneagram bad
9:13 instinctual variants
11:47 lake
15:46 white boy Lululemon tracksuit
22:18 types as behaviors
23:35 MBTwhy?
25:41 on collaboration
28:56 outro - Zábava
Ok apparently you can’t just claim all psychology is pseudoscience. I removed the intro segment because that was definitely an overreach - a lot of modern psychology is empirical and behavior-driven. I think what I was TRYING to say is that all psychoanalysis is pseudoscience (Freud, Jung) and that, more broadly, “pseudoscience” doesn’t necessarily mean detached from objective truth. The Enneagram is a pseudoscientific, manmade framework. But it is useful, both for writing and for understanding the self. While I’m at it, I want to stress that YOU SHOULD NOT TAKE AN ONLINE ENNEAGRAM TEST. Ever. Read about the types. Watch the creators I linked in my bio. Your type will stick out to you. That’s all bye 👽
Your videos are awesome and they have helped me flesh out my dnd sessions so much. Thank you.
It's all good, don't let butt-hurt online people get you down. People can have a hard time understanding what content creators like you are trying to say, or spend too much time engaging with what was literally said instead of the gist of it.
You removed the chapters with your edit. I personally find them useful.
Oftentimes I come back to your videos when stuck while writing because it's the only no-bullshit writing advice on the platform.
@@thepineappler111 dey back
Man, that was my favorite part! I came back to rewatch just for that. I knew you were kind of reaching sure, but i thought it was effective hyperbole in service of the overall point. Does the full original video exist anywhere?
me when theres no comments to steal my opinion from yet
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Me when I find a comment to steal from
Good artists create; Great artists steal ✓
@@dreamweaver4183this. so much this.
Mind if I act as though I want to long term borrow that?
I can confidently say that I'm watching this dude in his 'early days', just before he goes stratospheric on the 'Tube. Keep doing what you're doing man, it's the schnitzel.
Somebody hitting 100k subs is NOT in their early days. Somebody hitting 10k isn't either.
Even 1k is arguable. You're not only off, you're off by at least 2 orders of magnitude.
Nice of you to be encouraging though. There's always assholes like me in the comment section being negative, so spread the love around.
I mean, "early days" is a stretch at the strike of the Silver Play Button, sure, but the channel has only been uploading videos since April last year. And the first video of Local’s I saw was roughly when this channel had like 30k subscribers. It’s not even a linear path, so being dramatic about numbers misses the forest for the veins of a dead leaf.
But hey, either way, it’s more engagement with the video.
Only og’s remember when bros name was just “Local”
@@OrangeandGreenSodareal, i couldnt find him after the change, didnt he have an alien pfp
@@haldir108😂 I like how you acknowledge you’re an asshole and you post the reply anyway. Sighhhhh… the internet . It made me chuckle at least.
5:01 I'm okay :)
You're one of the only people I've come across that really understands the potential the enneagram has on writing, and what's better is that you're excellent at communicating it. You have no idea how happy this makes me, and I couldn't be more excited for more. I do worry that you could miss out on some interesting stuff by throwing out the inner lines/arrows completely, but I largely agree with everything else you said. Seriously, great video.
This shit means everythin to me, man
Absolutely Love your "enneagram in film" series - glad you made it to 3! Do you have plans to do the rest?
This video made me realize how badass therapists are. They defeat unseen and unfathomable foes using nothing but their words
Or they suck and just affirm whatever their patient wants to hear
@@jacobnormann6678but this makes for creative imagination for writing purposes lol
Well, sometimes they defeat them with the power of medical drugs
@@jacobnormann6678 That would be an evil therapist
@@vickypedia1308That's a psychiatrist
Ah finally, overlaying the animated visual stimulant on top of the person talking, rather than stacked below. Truly I am become engagement, the payer of attention.
I’m an enneagram type 4. For me, Art simply means communication. Art in itself is a way people communicate. It could be their ideas, ideology, insecurities and many more. The same way a person may use a microphone to communicate with an audience, I use my art to do the same
Yeah you guys have a certain purity to your art
What do you think about art being used for purposes other than communication?
@@thwartificer if there’s nothing to communicate then why bother creating? Why write if you have no story to tell? Why paint if you have no meanings behind your strokes? Why design if there is no function and purpose behind it?
Edit:
As a digital artist in the art community, I found that the works people and myself liked the most, were the ones with a story to tell. When I think of my favourite artworks from people in our community. there’s always something being said, not just aesthetics.
When AI art came rolling around I never really understood it. It has the skill set of an artist but not the mind of one. It’ll never be able to convey humanity like a human. (At least, not now)
I could also talk about the uproar the creation brought upon the art community, but that’s long and elaborate
Also a 4, and also a digital artist and writer. Completely agree with your sentiments here on art and communication. I felt this way when I was a dancer. It’s all communication and if you aren’t telling a story then why do it? What’s the point?
@@theddae that argument for AI art, while not sounding wrong, didn't really ever resonate with me as to why AI art was off to me. However, I recently started using ChatGPT for very specific purposes that I felt an AI would be better at, which was information gathering. I wanted to find information and summaries for movies and shows which I either already watched or planned to watch which would've been hell to scour Wikis for because I had the assumption that having all the pieces summed up together would fill a missing hole in my brain and inform the art I wanted. AI was a big help in accelerating that process of getting those summaries that I already knew I wanted and had a strong idea of. However, AI does not have access to my mind to know what I wanted out of those summaries. While I didn't know what I wanted, I knew a robot who's only power is already manifested data couldn't have access to every exact quirk of my specific mind.
To me, AI looks like it can have very definite purposes for informing an artistic process. But what it fails at is being both the beginning and end of the process. AI in my opinion should always remain in the very middle of the process, it's a means that must be considered alongside an existing vision, never the vision itself.
Also art theft 100% bad, AI image generation is 1000x more controversial than AI text by far, no arguments there. Even as the middle, it's iffy territory for the most part, but that's beyond the scope of this comment (it's long enough as it is)
I’ve never really liked personality tests or enneagrams because of how they are often represented as end-all be-all to wholly represent people, and this feeling was especially exacerbated when my business classes started analyzing and talking about how they are misused.
I learned about how businesses may use personality tests (especially Myerrs-Briggs) to try and determine who is and is not a good fit for a certain job, or the company’s culture, or a specific team project. This bothered me a lot, because people are much more complicated than anything a short description can ever describe.
On top of that, the results of these tests often change if a person takes it again after a few months, which to me showed their unhelpful nature, especially considering businesses were using these to make official assessments about people.
With all of that said, thanks for making this video. I have greatly appreciated your highly analytical style of dissecting a largely subjective art into descriptive and objective methods. This video in particular has returned me to the utility of personality tests, and I definitely have written them off too harshly, and ignored the core utility they serve in the face of my frustrations. Keep up the good work, Local.
p.s. I really like you standing in front of a projector, and walking around with a mic. Using the real world as a background, instead of a video, or sitting down in a studio room, was really engaging, and allowed for more creative emphasis of certain lines, such as when you emphasized “only.”
Edit: typos
Haha thanks, and using my camera allows me to work SO MUCH FASTER than cutting together hours of movie clips. Will definitely by my new style moving forward
It's a lot like IQ. IQ was never meant to ostracize people or make them feel superior. From what I understand, the creator expressly didn't want that to be a consequence. IQ evaluation was only meant to identify people who were below average so that it would be known that they might have struggles and if they have struggles, to get them help. Schrodinger's cat thought experiment gets the same treatment. It's meant to show that on a macro scale, our observation doesn't matter to reality existing and understanding of probability is trash in humans. People use it for the opposite routinely.
Personality tests are meant to be an evaluation of who you are right now in this present moment and learn something about your current condition. People can and do change. I've taken MBTI multiple times and my only consistency is IN. I can see my past answers and recognize that I was more of a INFP when I first took them and I've developed into an INFJ/INTJ according to the last 3 times I took it on different places. This personally for me makes a lot of sense, but it's not stagnant.
It's a misappropriation of useful things that are more personal or about evaluating something. They're not stagnant. So having the label is unhelpful as a core defining characteristic.
I think there is a reason many people call it the guys version of the zodiac. Because it gets treated the same way (and sexism, but that's another topic, yay.)
@@vixxcelacea2778 I had no idea Schrodinger's Cat was meant for that purpose, so thanks for exposing me to that fundamental sounding aspect of it. It has satisfied my knowledge seeking trait which may or may not be in service of some sense of superiority that uses knowledge as a means to earn a feeling of power that helps tackle a feeling of insignificance or something.
Is it bad that I’ve worn superfluous outfits for every reason you’ve described in various situations. All jesting aside, this is probably one of my favorite videos of yours. It’s fascinating how our brains are able to lie to us, and it’s really got me thinking about what type myself and each of my characters are.
I’m a type 4 and I feel like my brain is just constantly overflowing with ideas and inspiration, but I always struggle to actually follow through on any of it and finish my projects. I just have stacks of unfinished work and notes for stories I plan to write that never get done. It was only when I started co-writing with a type 3 writer that I was able to feel really creatively fulfilled and actually see through our projects to the end and to as high a quality as they deserved. We both really made each others work better and brought what the other was lacking, really a great symbiotic relationship.
I really love seeing the evolution of your style. This and the world building video are super engaging to me. They're a great example of quality information combined with comedy and just engaging imagery, like the opening, like you standing around talking to us in the stairwell it feels very home made but also super intentional and quality idk I'm rambling. Anyways I love your videos this is another banger blah blah blah 😂 great job!
Thanks Patrick 👽👽👽
OceanGate pic was on point.
Came for the writing tips, subscribed for the behavioral psych insights. For being 21, you’re impressively self-aware and honest. Keep the videos coming, I liked seeing you in different spots and the visual aids.
1:18 Duuuude, that quick rundown you spat out on the stairs was the best succinct explanation of the 9 types I found after poking around CZcams all night!
I had a screenwriting professor at my University who always went through the Enneagram on the first class of the semester.
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These are the best writing advice videos on youtube
Yo thanks 👽
hands down.. only found his channel a couple days ago nd'm almost out of videos,, soon it's back to "film courage" [violent shudder].
@@localscriptmanwhat do you think the conflict was in donnie darko?
This man came outta nowhere defending my Avatar movies and is now playing an active role in helping me write my first book. Thanks for taking the first step in creating a CZcams channel, I love binge watching your videos!
I took a couple tests, read a little and I suppose I'm type 4. That's probably why when I've found your channel the immediate though i had was "this guy has something I don't". I find your content engaging, funny, helpful and INSPIRING AF. Keep up the good work my lokal smart writing man. Big regards from Poland ❤
I was just thinking the other day about the enneagram! My thought was that even if there is an infinite spectrum of personality, people really only have a small number of ways to deal with (emotional) problems. For example, it doesn't matter if you're smoking weed, or gambling, or working excessively to forget about your problems; you're handling your problems by avoiding them. People drift towards certain ways of handling problems because you get better at whatever you practice at, and it makes more and more sense to try to use the good skills you've built up rather than the bad skills you never try to use.
I like the bit at the start where all the pipes flew around and they changed colour on the T-shirt. Was simply quite cool
Just in time for trying to think of a magic system based on character motivation.
Stormlight Archive. Fits weirdly well with enneagram. Especially the 3 main characters.
@@specialknees6798Definitely that
Excited to watch this one; I love using mbti and enneagram with my characters because it helps me characterize them more consistently.
I too hope Josh Keef is ok🙏🏾
Thanks for the "you've got a type" channel recommendation!
It feels so good to have someone say the things I've always thought in regards to personality typing and psychology but with much more rhetorical skill than I could muster~
I'm okay :)
@@Josh_Keefe :D Glad to hear it!
I consider myself to be a type 4 and INFP--it's probably one of the reasons I find this channel so helpful, as you said! A lot of my joy from writing and digital art comes from getting into the "flow" state and going with what feels right. Whenever I lose sight of that, I tend to get stuck and stop having fun. Because of that, it's become insanely difficult and frustrating for me to finish anything written (to the point where I've gotten 300 pages into a book and given up on it) or to truly get down to the nitty-gritty details of an art piece. Art is easier for me than writing, though.
On another note, I found some interesting enneagram music videos by "sleeping at last" the other day. I recommend them to anyone interested in that sort of stuff!
I shared your channel to my little brother's friends... I dont write but i like hearing people who know their craft talk about it... They are trying to write a comic... Maybe just for fun.. but in case they do want to become serious on their writing... I hope they do watch your vids and learn from them.
I'm a Type 5 (probably) INTP and I'm definitely guilty of "Game of Thronesing" character motivations in my writing like you mentioned. But it's also weird because when I have a good handle on my characters and get in the zone, they start doing or saying things that go against what I had outlined and that unpredictability is what makes writing fun for me. Great video
im type 5 istp. very cool!
New local script man video? Today is a good day
I certainly hope so
Local script man liked my comment? Today is still a good day
I'm personally of the opinion that multiple types is possible. Yes, one will be the core motivation, but other types can support the core type. It's also possible for it to be difficult to determine which type is the core. I'm personally a 1 and 9, yet I can't find which one is my core. They are both me. And honestly, I think this a great thing for building characters. We shouldn't group people into one category. The human mind isn't that simple. And it makes for a lot of variety in characters to use combinations! I'm currently working with a character who is a 1 and 8. Using those two motivations together creates something unique. Maybe a character will be one type, maybe a character will be two with a difficult to define core or maybe even one or two types with one or two sub types that add on to the main type. This is how I see the Enneagram.
I wonder if these could be extrapolated into or from the types that get along well. In Traditional Chinese Medicine, the Five Elements personality types are acknowledged to often have external behaviors of their “mother” or “daughter” - the types that directly precede or follow the one of concern.
This video is how I found out that enneagrams exist, so I truly know absolutely nothing, but I feel like this has helped me better understand how I work psychologically. I always thought that "personality theory" was just astrology MBTI bullshit, but you've really opened my eyes about this.
For most of my childhood, I pictured myself as a 5, even though I didn't know what that meant. I really struggled to grasp the whole "interpersonal relationships" thing, and so I devoted myself entirely to STEM subjects, which were what I was most naturally gifted at. I spent a lot of time pondering the nature of the universe, being scared of the fact that existence itself seemed impossible and that there could never really be a proper explanation to everything or a holistic theory of existence. This was my life from the ages of about 8-13.
Around when I turned 14, I had a real identity crisis. I realised that the STEM subjects that had brought me joy simply because I was good at them and could impress people weren't actually fulfilling to me. But, I felt like I was trapped in this because I wasn't good at anything else. I decided to reinvent myself to what I now understand to be the archetypal 4, getting all artsy, getting into film, trying to find some kind of self-worth in the nebulous unquantifiable emotions that had scared me before, almost as an act of rebellion, saying "I'm not that person anymore." This is likely due to the fact that I was getting into CZcams video essayists like Jacob Geller and the like.
I am now about to turn 17 as I watch this video, and I thought I was a 4 throughout most of its runtime. But, you said that the types are not based off of what you do, but why you do it. I definitely express stereotypical behaviours of 4s and 5s, but I think the reason I do them is more 3-like. I dedicated myself to math and science because I was good at them, and the validation of others recognising that I'm good at something was what I was really after. I searched for holistic answers because their absence made me feel like I was nothing, could never really be successful in a way that mattered. I chose to become artsy because that's what my role models became. I wanted to sit among the Bo Burnhams and Jacob Gellers of the world, to be like the people who affected me and affect others the same way, that was my idea of success, maybe then people would say that I was worth something.
I acknowledge the fact that I am still a stupid teenager. I haven't found my identity yet, that would be impossible to do at my age. I also recognise that I have an instinct to categorise myself into some type that I think represents what I want to be, and that it may not be a coincidence that I've come to the conclusion that I am the same type as the famous youtuber man that is a kind of role model to me. There's a chance I may be biased towards being like my heroes. I also also acknowledge that I literally found out about this stuff about an hour ago as of writing this, and that I have a lot more research to do about it.
Regardless, this video has made me aware of another facet of human existence I was not aware of before. I believe it has affected me positively, and I thank you for making it, Mr. ScriptMan.
i have a small writing critique group and one of our members was just talking about enneagrams a while back so I'm excited to share this video with them! i haven't looked into enneagram types for long enough to pick out which number I am, but you were describing my creative process to a TEE when you were describing 4's (the pantsers, the ones who thrive on inspiration, etc) so I suppose it might br a good idea to start there. i guess i also just wanted to point out how weirdly validating that part of the video was for me. again, i don't know if i'm a 4 necessarily but i liked that the way you described that type wasn't degrading to that way of thinking when it comes to creating art. I've surrounded myself with a lot of people who have an extremely different creative process than i do (which, yay for diverse perspectives!) which sometimes makes me feel like my way of creating is wrong or inferior, as opposed to just a different school of thought. so even though i knkw that wasn't the point of this video, it was a good thing for me to hear.
anyways, thank you for your brief breakdown of the nine types and how exactly to utilize them in storytelling. the bit about the flamboyant dresser was particularly illuminating.
Thanks! Fours are great, you guys have souls haha. We do to, but we really gotta dig for em. Fours are probably the most “pure” artists, because the art is literally the point
@@localscriptman Hey man, 2 things :
Firstly I'm an Enneagram 4, and after discovering your channel recently I am extremely impressed by your story writing ideas and strategies.
I don't think I've ever heard advice be so profoundly all encompassing and effective, yet simple to the point that anyone could apply it. Particularly, choosing a theme to explore and then allowing different characters to grow from the different perspectives of that theme. I've listened to many famous authors and directors, but none of them have provided such a useful insight.
I'm very grateful that you share what you do, I really appreciate it.
(also very surprised to see some of the Enneagram 3 strengths applied to an art medium (god now I need some 3 friends😅))
Secondly, you asked anyone who considers art a big part of their life to share what their art means to them, and what they get out of it.
I think that is definitely a good question. I write music, and sing, also currently learning instruments like the Ocarina and Piano. Eventually I want to paint and write stories as well.
But for longer than any of these I've written poetry. Since 2019, back when I was 16.
I don't write what people typically expect, although now that I'm reading what I just wrote that's very 4 of me to say 😆.
In all seriousness though. The poetry I write usually has a meaning, or a lesson. Usually aimed at myself, but the poem is rarely about me.
I guess I would say that poetry allows me to explore my personal emotions by translating them into purer, more complete and intense forms than they can reasonably manifest in my day-to-day life. In doing so, the input of my emotions into a poetic form/narrative/character is cathartic. However, the output also lends to my satisfaction (as the result is usually something that others can feel to be deeply true within themselves too).
To summarise, I find the universally significant within the personally significant. And sometimes when others read my poetry, they find that too. I hope to someday do this in all art forms I practice with (writing especially).
So that's my answer.
P.S. I hope to see more videos of yours in the future.
And I hope you find that collaboration partner your looking for.
Yours Sincerely - Jaspa
seconding everything about the 4 part of the video and feeling validated lol. about to go read up on types :)
us fours like nothing more than to feel seen, authentically. i think that’s why so many of us are artists.
@@mitskiluvr420 I agree that it is something we like. But I believe it's not that we like nothing more than that. I think what you're referring to is just a symptom, a result of our deeper need for significance itself. But yes, we do like to be seen. 😅
I’ve been using the enneagram for ages to help with character writing. Glad it’s getting some recognition.
Thanks much for referring folks to my channel 🙌 Definitely got more than a few LocalScriptMan fans shouting you out over the past few weeks.
everytime you drop a new video i have to rework my current project to reflect my entirely shattered perspective on storytelling. Its crazy to me how deeply you understand writing.
Dude.
I've been keeping up with your channel for a while now, and every video feels like you're putting words to processes that I've kept lovingly in my personal writing toolbox for years. This specifically - the use of enneagram types to define characters and arcs - is something I have done for all of my projects for at least the past three years. It's foolproof. I was actually getting ready to leave a comment about how I use the stress/growth to plan character combinations/interactions (ex: a 1 needs a 7 to improve, but can be tempted to backslide by a 4)... until you said that, too. I guess that's the raw power of the 3 mindset.
Whenever I talk about this stuff with other writers, I get these "wow, I never would have thought of that" responses. Really? You never would have thought of that? This is the cheat code, my guy! This is the formula! You said it best writing is a problem-solving process. You sit down, you work, you use models like this to define the big picture. It's not groping around blindly in the dark for "inspiration", it's using tools like this to build a strong foundation, then allowing yourself space to be creative within that foundation.
Coincidentally, I seem to be the only one in my circle that never gets the elusive "writer's block". Riddle me that one.
Great video. I'm excited to see what you've got coming up.
I'm so excited to watch this! I love the way the enneagram helps me understand other peoples core motivations so I can related to them and form closer bonds. I'm a 1W2.
Enneagram goes nuts
Yea fellow 1w2 here
as the biggest personality theory enjoyer and enneagram preacher (I'm a sp/sx type 5, also an intp) I can say with full confidence that this video was made for me, and that instinctual variants/enneagram subtypes especially have helped me SO MUCH to develop and write characters. whenever I write I put things in terms of enneagram/mbti to understand them better (I've been doing this with my fictional lores and cultures lolol) and it helps me illustrate and keep track of core values in a way digestible and interesting to me. helps me so much with drawing parallels, writing consistent characters, character backstories etc. etc.
I cannot stress ENOUGH how happy it made me to find a writing channel that references personality theory, and places emphasis on enneagram which is something I value so much. and if by chance you read this, I also recommend that you look more into triads and the tritype theory (different from wing theory as it involves how people deal with shame, anxiety, and anger-- all three of which correlate to the triads). I'd be pretty interested in your take on it. otherwise, keep up the good work dude, I'll be looking forward to it!
I’m a 3 and I identify with every single thing you said. I also get mad at myself that I’m not the greatest yet sometimes and can get bogged down in the climb, unable to enjoy the process… my wife, who’s a 4, has helped me tremendously to see the beauty in it.
I'm very clearly a type 4. I'm writing my first novel (I've been a part of a team with whom I wrote a few amateur theatre productions) and I cannot believe the RELIEF I felt when I showed my first solo-written chapter/scene to be peer reviewd, and people understood the undelying themes and the emotions my character was struggling with. I realized writing fiction to me is a way to explain these complicated emotions and contradictions I feel through my story, through which I can feel validation for my own lived experiences. But I'd love to have someone more pragmatic to write with me so I'd be more efficient with it instead of falling down into a bottomless pit of creation.
You totally nailed that part at the end about the types as writers.
I could always tell you were a 3, but also I often assume that people dedicated enough to post on CZcams consistently and grow a channel are actually often 3’s.
As a 4w5 (I know you don’t like the wings, but I’ve found them to be one of the most enlightening and accurate aspects of the enneagram) the 4 in me is all about the vibes/ emotion of what I’m writing, and the 5 in me loves to create detailed and thought through worlds. But, though I’m both “feeling” and “thinking” oriented, I am EXTREMELY “doing repressed”. I’ve always admired a 3’s ability to actually make stuff happen, most of my ideas grow and grow and then never see the light of day. I guess we all have areas to work on.
I didn’t see any other 7s so I gotta rep on a 2 month old video. A big part of both writing and doing visual art for me is that I really find it fun and entertaining and I want to be able to create things that are fun and entertaining for other people. To me, there are so many interesting concepts I’d love to explore which results in a huge number of different ideas bouncing in my head that I’d love to actually materialize. My biggest issue is my lack of ability TO materialize or commit to these plans/ideas. I honestly get stressed out listening to videos like yours but in a really awesome and good way that I’m glad I’m getting. I need a lot of 3 around reminding me that I’ve gotta really bust my ass for my works worth, which honestly really inspires me to do so much better.
The “moving to” always bugged me/felt like a stretch too, but I couldn’t ever put it into words why! Thank you for that.
I love the way your transitioned into
*_BARRY_*
you’re seriously the best writing youtuber i’ve ever seen, every video changes my perception, it’s so refreshing hearing new shit instead of just “hey maybe try this i guess idk” or “look how cool tarantino/scorcese/nolan is and here’s why: show don’t tell!!”
you clearly have a huge passion for your craft and go above and beyond in analysis, so thanks.
I also wanted to know if you’d ever make an analysis of the last of us part 2 (the game) i think it’d be interesting hearing your views because i feel it follows a lot of the tenants you talk about.
Damn it, and here I am waiting for more writing review spots to open up
Coming as someone with a big interest in psychology, something I've always believed about the debate over personality models is that it doesn't matter which model you use, it mostly matters how well you use it. The main value of using one model over another is how intuitive that model is to help you use it well. In your case, it seems clear to me that you understand and use the Enneagram model very well for your purposes.
But what surprised me over the course of this video is the Enneagram model (which was new to me when you mentioned it in your previous video) is less of a personality model and more of a motivation model. In that sense it's more directly useful to you as a writer. The motivation of a character is interesting to explore in the plot of a story, much more interesting than a character's introversion or neuroticism (which is what many other personality models focus on).
In this same vein, I'd say the Dark Tetrad model is quite separate to personality, because it doesn't describe who you are so much as what lengths you're willing to go to achieve your motivations. You didn't discuss this psychometric model in this video and I'm curious if you know much about it or have any thoughts on it as related to writing. Maybe having a group of assholes with some conflict over something while each expresses one of the 4 dark tetrad personalities would be an interesting premise? I'd have to leave that to the more creative people like you.
My first exposure to personality theory was the MBTI model, which just didn't make much sense to me. When I learned about the Big Five (aka OCEAN) personality model, it was just slightly different in all the right ways to ring a lot more true to me. But that's in the more normal contexts of being a human, rather than the specific context of writing characters. I'm curious if you'd see more value in Big Five than Myers-Briggs as well.
I think I'm a 9. Being able to empathize with all of my characters is very important to me, but sometimes I fall too far into conflict resolution and start solving the conflict before the actual characters do. Your style of writing helps a lot with that so thanks
I was just finishing up the last video I haven't watched on your channel, and you uploaded haha what great timing!
Yes I was waiting for you 👽
As a self described 4 I think art is an extension of ones self I don't think I could ever create something that isn't something that I felt in some capacity. I could never make something just to increase in status or financial gain. There has been many times where I have thought about even if I had no money and just a camera and a car then I would continue to film what I felt. I am also constantly thinking of different ways to portray feelings even if they aren't the most pretty or practical. BTW these videos motivate me to write scripts for short films even tho I see myself as more of cinematography then a screenwriter. Thanks man
Classic 4 antics - and thanks that means a lot to me!
Because I'm a type 5 (INTJ) artistI I do study and attempt to to gather the most information that I can about writing. This is how I found your channel. I watch a ton of media both good and bad. films, sries, cartoons, and anime in an effort to analyze and look for Patterns. In order to build a large reference library that I can use whenever I need it, I study them to find out what makes them good, what makes them awful, successful, what makes them fail, and what makes them resonate with people, among other things. When I get into a challenge when writing something, I compare it with something similar to see how they were handled and whether they were successful for the history that I am making. After all, it is through comparison that we give value to something as subobjective as art. contrasting two works with comparable themes or characters to evaluate who handled them best.
I believe that there is no truly original story; no matter how original you think your story is, you probably take elements of other histories without you ever realizing it since there are only so many mesanges and human conflicts that you can enumerate. The trick is how you use them, and the more you borrow ideas from other things paradoxically, the more original it gets. This is why archetypes and master plots exist.
My main issue with my method, or with my type, is that I always get so Caught up in my research and planning that I never actually start with my projects. I´m so obsessed with perfection that I have the fear that it can always be better and that there is still more that I need to learn before I can begin. that is something that I'm still struggling with today and I hope i can overcome one day.
Same! I'm also 5 and an INTJ. I am perfectionist and like to put alot of effort into things. But, one can easily get caught up in the preparation stage. I finally started to write my story, and the story outline (plan of each action, theme and state of characters) helps me feel prepared, but I still write it in short distinct parts so that I can easily change it later. But, for me this is just a hobby and not a job, I need to remind myself from time to time 😅
Type five also. Similar experience with writing. I enjoy reading memoirs and learning about multiple theories of personality to get a sort of internal library of the countless ways of being. It's very fun, but I do just need to start writing and stop researching at this point.
I gotta say, your videos have been a TREASURE TROVE.
Elements of your process are things I've always done in my... "stories" as I've never really *written* anything to completion. I've always tried to make my characters embody certain conflicting ideals and pit them against one another, but I was always too attached to my beginning and where I wanted the characters to end up. I struggled to write the middle of my stories, the *story* part, because I was too invested in the ending I'd already predetermined. That along with the self-doubt. Having it put to words so well and expanded on with your system did shit to my brain and I'm outlining more efficiently than I ever have.
I'm not a screenplay writer, but I am one of the many online artists with dreams of a webcomic. I don't intend to live my whole life that way, though, and my goal for 2023 was to have at least the first part of a comic outlined, scripted, drafted, and DONE. It's August and I have three complete outlines and half-baked first drafts because I brute-forced it, trying to "just start writing" like so many people say. But all the "training" I have is as a visual artist, not a writer. I didn't really have any tools to pull from outside of advice off the internet.
The tools you're handing out are more valuable than I can even express. I'm telling you, something just clicked. Suddenly, I know *EXACTLY* how to start my story, I know what characters need to be refined, adapted, or axed, I know which side characters should actually be main cast and which main cast should be pushed aside. And this Enneagram stuff on top of all that is a really interesting thought experiment.
Anyway, TL;DR
All that is to say that this random weirdo on the internet really appreciates the tools you're providing out here on the youtubes to unwashed, uneducated, and uncouth creatives like myself. If your system could kick my ass into gear I'm convinced it could help anybody.
Keep it up, Local 👈(👁👄👁👈 )
*squints* Isn't this just Maslow's hierarchy of needs turned into a circle? Not to discount the value of the tool, different things click for different people. People change over time as their needs change (AKA a character arc); It's not that the needs go away, they've been satisfied for the time being and so aren't the focus. It just makes more sense to me than saying "Oh he's a Type Six." Which implies that 'type six' is something intrinsic that will not change, rather than just being a person feels their social needs are not being met. Anyone can be lonely regardless of how socially active they are.
When it comes to personality, I highly recommend looking into the "big 5" or "OCEAN" model. It's data-driven psychology, not psychoanalysis, but it's very easy to understand and apply.
All of these personality categorising systems are valid. In the sense that they're descriptive, not prescriptive or explanatory. They're just frameworks for grouping an uncountable number of unique specimens into a discrete number of broad categories. It's sort of like if someone said that you differentiating between pebbles, stones, rocks and boulders was "unscientific". Sure, I guess. But it was never a scientific claim, just grouping that has a rationale behind it.
When writing characters, you can absolutely use these frameworks to help guide the creation of consistent people. From the Four Temperaments (Sanguine, Melancholic, Choleric, Phlegmatic) to the Enneagram (1-9) to the Myers Briggs index, all can have value. Though my personal favourite is the Color Pie (White, Blue, Black, Red, Green, and all combinations thereof). Though its creator has espoused 3 and 4 colour combos, in my view any beyond 2 lose uniqueness and can be adequately described by smaller combos or lone colours. But that still yields 15 discrete archetypes. I especially like how each colour in the circle (pie) shares similarities with its neighbours (allies) and has a core conceptual clash with its distals (enemies), yet coherent archetypes can be formed by the combination of seemingly oppositional philosophies. For example, White characters are those who care about equality, rules, justice, the needs of the many, while Black characters are those who care for personal power, who disregard constraints like morality and law. The Socialist and the Sociopath if you like. But there are White-Black characters. Those who, with a certain ingroup uphold order, fairness, and wellness of all, but who place the wellbeing and power of said group above the needs of all outside it and have no qualms with screwing them over if it advances the group. A White to friends, a Black to strangers, or the Tribalist.
If anyone's interested, Mark Rosewater (the creator) has written a shedload about the core values, conflicts and combinations, each accompanied with pop-cultural examples. And he created the whole thing for a goddamn card game. What a world.
Me when theres no comments to steal my opinion from yet
I gotta say, I sound like a four. At first I thought five, but then I remembered a conversation I had with a friend where they said they would rather know a depressing truth than have understanding elude them, and I disagreed. It's also mind-boggling to me that I would not be the best expert on myself when I psychoanalize myself constantly ... because my identity is the most important thing to me. So yeah, four, and your description of a four creative sounds very accurate. Can't tell you how many times I've avoided painting or writing because I wasn't feeling inspired. It's probably more difficult for you to understand, since this isn't the way your mind works, but if I'm feeling no inspiration, I physically can't make myself write. Art isn't just a thing I do, it's an expression of my innermost being, and misrepresenting that innermost being through incompetency leads to self-hatred. Good news is, I don't wait for inspiration to come find me. I seek it through music, reading, nature, and videos like these. Unfortunately, since I'm also an introvert, having too much outside intellectual stimulation can clutter my brain and leave me exhausted. Moderation is key.
Something I just noticed --- you say your type is motivated by status, and your channel has a status-centralized name: LocalScriptMan. Just funny how it worms it's way in.
I'm a 2 and a writer who also dabbles with painting. I need creativity and writing because it helps me connect with other people. It makes me feel connected to my mom who was also a writer and now that she's gone when I write I feel close to her again and remember those days we wrote together. Also to connect with people I don't know, readers and other writers alike. I love the idea that someone would read a story I wrote and grow attached to those characters and identify with them. There's also a part of me that wants to make my family proud since we're a family that values art and story.
Art families are so chill. Do you think your family influences your type? Like I know my mom is a 3 and she created a 3. But maybe 2s have different origin stories
@@localscriptman That's interesting because my mother was also a 2 that raised a 2 (I was admittedly the closest to her though I can't say whether that's because I was also a 2 or if I developed as a 2 because of that closeness).
My dad is an 8 and a more physical creative through wood working and gardening (he can make the most gorgeous gardens with hand crafted water features). Both parents raised us with bedtime stories about the greek gods and encouraged our love of art, writing, and creative endeavors in general. All four of us have at least dabbled in painting, drawing, wood working, writing, and/or music but I'm the only 2 with my siblings being a 3, 8, and 4 respectively.
about 3 years ago i started working on a story that features a protagonist who's unique psychology is the centerpiece of the emotional conflict, and driving force of the overarching theme that I built basically the whole plot around. i only very recently started reading about the enneagram and realized that this character i wrote was at their core, an extreme embodiment of the 3 archetype. i continued to discover how more and more characters i'd written over the years, regardless of the genre of the story or outward personality, shared the same fundamental traits of a particular enneagram type. personally i think that really proves something about the validity of the enneagram, in realizing that just by trying to construct characters that felt human, i ended up creating things that aligned so well with the enneagram model before even knowing what it was. i've always felt like i understood psychology to a decent degree, but after learning about the enneagram types i've become a lot more self aware and efficient in my entire process for creating characters.
i can't remember if this is something i made up or a piece of advice i heard a long time ago, but i've always tried to implement the practice of being able to picture characters i write in their most "unstable" and most "stable" states, and by extension what they'd be like if the subjective worst/best possible thing happened to them. after hearing you describe unhealthy/healthy versions of the enneagram types i'm realizing its a very similar thing. that's why i find the enneagram to be so reliable, because i and im sure many others have subconsciously come to the same sort of conclusions about a lot of these underlying distinctions between the values, desires, and fears of different people without consciously looking at things through the lens of personality theory.
amazing video as always. had to skip the barry part since i still haven't seen the show but i'm sure that bit slapped too
After what I learned in this video I’m even more excited for when this guy hits 100k subs
Thanks dood 👽
Enneagram 4, ENFJ here - the algorithm led me to this channel. I'm a writer and an actor and an artist and don't know how to move through the world without wanting to make a mark on it. Scraping a stone against stone in a park to draw. Writing a goofy line on a piano in the middle of a street. I am compulsively driven by the need to make and make and make.
Great channel BTW! I've been binging your videos this week and everyone's been hitting.
idk what it is but this channel seems to be really helpful for neurodivergent writers (including me, thanks localscriptman)
Type 5 here, and your last note about getting a type five for anything related to creating a fictional economy, language, or magic system is so spot on I died laughing. I LIVE for that crap. Great video, and amazing content!
Even if one held the belief that enneagrams are pseudo science, would that be relevant in a writing discussion when characters don’t follow the same rules and logic as real people?
It’s lowkey more helpful in writing than it is in real life 👽
Edit: ok well that might be a stretch, but you know what I mean
I agree! I’ve taken an MBTI test for one of my characters before and I ended up getting a list of traits and motivations specific to them that helped flesh out them and their arc
Man you are by far my new favorite CZcams channel. Just waiting for the day you blow up and start getting the millions of views you deserve
I'm a 2 and my main cowriter (girlfriend) is I think a 6. I think both of our motivations for writing are very intrinsic rather than motivated by any kind of external recognition, money or fame, but coming at it from slightly different directions. I write because I want to challenge myself, my mind is full of ideas that I try to fit together like puzzle pieces into a story. I do want recognition and I want my work to enrich the life of others, but I think that's secondary to the sheer joy of creation. she's a lot more introverted and writes because it's the only way she's found to communicate ideas and let people know her without having to interact with anyone directly. a lot of her writing is autobiographical or instructive, while I, while definitely drawing from my own experience, tend to construct a lot of characters to tell stories through rather than straight-up writing about my own life. I love to create big worlds and stories with many perspectives exploring complex themes, she's a lot more interested in breaking down a single character or idea and more plot-focussed, worldbuilding is kind of an afterthought to her. I think we fill a lot of eachother's gaps in that way, at least in the big picture stuff.
I've found a lot of writing and creative advice on CZcams a bit impractical when it comes to things like quickly improving a character for a tabletop game as it requires a lot of thought and introspection. This video is perfect for when I suddenly need to figure out what exactly is motivating some character who was just a name and a body before something unexpected happens... which is a lot.
Dude, this vid sent me on an all-night binge of CZcams enneagram vids.
Cool stuff Lucas. I realize I haven't actually looked into the Enneagram model. I've seen the model drawing for it here and there, but didn't look into the types. You got my attention with the describing how it interacts with motivation and the unhealthy to healthy spectrum. I've looked at the Myer-Briggs model, it was fun an exercise it wasn't actually help for making the character deeper because it was a rather nebulous collection of personality traits. I've dinked around with a lot of character building tools over the years and I think you're totally spot on in that they need to go into motivation, health/balance to disorder/sickness, and the core wound.
The core wound (besides sounding metal af) gives you the what for the characters arc. The health/balance to discord/sickess gives you how much character needs to arc. Motivation gives you a why they interact with the story's plot and how they interact with the other characters tied up in that plot. Also I want to say thanks for this video. I don't think I would have come to what I wrote in this comment without the conversation your vid creates. You help me think about writing in a very helpful way thank-you Lucas!
Now I'm really curious to see what my type is. I will also check out the channels you recommended, thanks for linking them. This sounds like a meaty boi of a model (ha ha) I will do some more exploring on it.
Hayley ^_^
Creativity IS A HUGE part of who I am and I'd LOVE to talk about it! :D I'm a type 4. I actually always preferred the Myers Briggs typing but you're making me rethink it because i didn't know about enneagram motivations. Anyhow I'm an INFP. I make comics, animatics, animations, pitch videos, music. But I prize my storytelling and digital illustrations most highly. I've always been able to trust them, and growing up with real low self esteem, it's the only part of me that could never feel wrong. Oh sometimes overheated and overabused, but that's all "art blocks" are to me. You step back, take a nap, eat a cookie, and watch that will bring the inspiration back. But it's never made me much money. The one time it did it overwhelmed and scared me. So I've adapted and committed to working patiently one one original magnum opus at a time and build a library in the background of my life. But I do wish I could throw away day jobs, friends, family and just devote myself to that. Because to me, my art is my legacy. I don't want kids. I just want to find out what's true about life so that I know my place in it. And more desperately, once I find it I want to get as much art out as I can as my way of paying that knowledge forward. It's the one thing I'm good at so it must be what I was meant to use to make the world a better place. Change hearts and minds. Help someone. Not be a waste.
26:32 Huh, that's wild I use the word "inspiration" all the time. Sometimes it feels like that religious high that people describe. But that's rare. More often than not it's just like breathing. You don't notice it the whole day, but when you stop and actually think about it you realize how much of it you've been doing, and how difficult it must be for a person who's trying or not used to it. I'm not a pantser... anymore, lol. I found the only way to get anything to a final draft was to take my vibes by the reigns and start treating a story like a problem to be solved. I get to play with the first inspiration for a bit but then I demand an outline. I perfect it by every story tool I know, and then I trust myself to hop around out of order and let inspiration fill every outline beat with magic. And suddenly over the last year, stories are done! And only after that did I ever feel comfortable even calling myself a writer.
27:01 THAT'S CRAZY. I feel called out, cuz I say that all the time "the only two variables are quality and luck." And I've let years go by telling people one day luck will strike. I need to research this Nas X guy, see what I can learn about finally flippin' making it.
Finally some good defense of the Enneagram.
I still value the wings even after the video but this video (and your channel) is good work.
4:55 That is so cool, I love the backdrop being just a staircase. I've never seen that in a video.
It's because the enneagram has steps, just like stairs.
Almost to 100k! Keep up the good work man!
this is fantastic advice. looking through the type descriptions has made it far, far easier to pinpoint the intrinsic motivations of three characters. it's very cool to see the ways a three interacts with a five, and putting those potential points of conflict into the context of my story. fascinating stuff. looking forward to the next!
The 8s are not about control; that's the 1's fixation. 8 is all about respect, about weak v. strong, and about force. Might seem nitpicky, but I think 8s and 1s are the best characters to begin with on the Enneagram, cause they often end up in conflict with... well, everyone, due to their very nature. The 1 needs to feel in control; the 8 just wants to be the most respected person in the room.
Something I've heard from a couple 8s is "I don't WANT to be in charge, but who else is gonna do it? No one. So I step up to the plate and get things done."
There's an 8 in a panel, hosted by Beatrice Chestnut, who talks about how as a kid she felt like she could literally stop a car from rolling backward down a hill... Because that's what needed to be done.
Always happy to see your videos pop up in recommendations.
First video for me to actually like, comment, and subscribe all in one! Also shared with my brother, who introduced me to the enneagram. I've watched a few videos of yours today and am hyped to explore more!
My partner and I are both creatives. I'm a 2, and they are a 4. We enjoy discussing our stories together, especially when we build on each other's ideas. They are a self-identified pantser and are definitely in with the vibes. I'm currently world-building and answering the little nit-picky questions to ensure accuracy.
Always a delight to add another writing-related channel who speaks from the heart and real world experiences!
I haven't looked much into enneagram, but I'm very much an ENTP. While the stereotype of being argumentative applies to me quite a bit, I've found that it comes from a core tendency to jump around a lot to different perspectives and try to analyze a situation, take it apart, see what makes it tick. I'll sometimes flip sides halfway through a discussion, not because I've been swayed, but because arguing for the other side is more interesting. That drive to pick things apart and understand them is what led me to my hobby of writing and analyzing stories.
also, don't use 16personalities for MBTI, use typeinmind.
I see myself as a 2, and it slots in very well with what I’m trying to do for my career. I’m studying music therapy because I can’t imagine myself doing something long term where I can’t incorporate creation of music, but I also desperately want to help people and feel needed
omg thank you for making this i use both the enneagram and mbti for helping myself nail my characters down better :)
I love your videos so much. I don't always like or agree with the way you choose to write things, but I always take away good advice, or just good vibes.
You're 100% gonna make it big on writing yt
Had no clue this enneagram stuff existed. Subscribing to you never fails to broaden my horizons!
How fortuitous! I was looking for something to base my mythological pantheon/magic system on and this was the precise rabbit hole I needed to jump into.
This is actually fantastic timing. I've been using the MBTI types to assist in fleshing out the personality of character concepts I've had.
It's been very useful as I've used MBTI to see what personality types some of my favourite and most influential characters fall into in order to narrow down and pick out specific inspiration to then inject into my character concepts.
I didn't know about the Enneagram until now, so I thank you for making this video. It will be very helpful in balancing out the personality (MBTI) and purpose (Enneagram)
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I’m by far most aligned with type 1. For me, writing is a way of communicating things that cannot be communicated otherwise. I essentially view them as extended metaphors, where an unknown or hard to grasp concept is communicated through the known. For that reason, I’ve come up with stories to help me understand myself and the world around me for most of my life. I never really felt compelled to write them, however. I only decided to become a writer after I found some stories that changed my life, and they opened my eyes to how profound of an effect stories can have on people. (My approach to writing is also pretty 1ish. I meticulously plan and edit my writing and story outlines until the story becomes what I view to be the perfect version of itself (often to a fault) and I tend to focus heavily on moral issues in my works)
identified with type 4. went to look up "enneagram type" and "4" was the autofilled first result. my instincts went no if this is the one most people identify with im probably one of the other ones. then realized that is maybe the most 4 thought process possible. good video
I’m a type 9 creative. Filmmaker/artists. It is a necessity to me. To even function in life I need the discovery and creation of art, and also as I’ve found I need and desire the risk.
Also your videos have me gripping my seat, I love them and always study them. Inspired by your stuff!
But the reason I think it is necessary to me is that it is how I understand myself from my own lens…rather than through other peoples eyes. I find a clearer identity through creation, otherwise I will just be who people think I am.
As a 5, art is a way for me to share my understanding of the world and take input from other people who honestly critique my work. That work usually comes in the form of writing for DnD, building various in-world systems, and forming characters with various connections to other people in the world around them. These all serve as tools to help me evaluate the real people and situations i find myself interacting with on a day-to-day basis.
The comorbidity for 5s and world builders disease is real
I feel the same way as a 5, and I get a lot of enjoyment out of DND for the same reasons.
Always a good, always a productive day for me when a Localscriptman video drops
I think the enneagram isn't good for real people, unless they personally are helped by it, but it's extremely useful for writing
As someone who comes from a family full of psychologists all of the forms of sort of personality type models and the like (Briggs Meyer, Enneagram, astrology etc.) are all like not things you should ever use for real people. These models are PHENOMENAL for creating characters, which (as you’ve stated) are not at all fully fledged people, but are actually very detrimental in terms of understanding actual people or yourself.
Can’t tell you how often I see a person find out an astrology thing, or their personality type via Myers Briggs, or their enneagram, and then start to actually shift their personality (much to their detriment) in order to better fit into that box.
There is no scientific way to paint humans into these broad strokes because we are unfathomably complex creatures, and even as a it pertains to just core motivations there are probably very few people that would fall into one category or even just 2, most human beings are going to have their core motivators split up into all of these categories with just a few of them being more prevalent than others.
There’s also the fact that you’re very unlikely to have any true sense of self until your prefrontal cortex develops, and even then you’re probably going to be hit with the realization of how much of your life has been a performance up until that point, this actually typically happens later (mid life crisis anyone?).
I’m not saying any of this as like an attack on you or anything but just for anyone who’s young, or malleable (I’m an old guy, pushing 30 who’s seen many of you) please don’t take any of these personality things seriously or at face value, they can be good for fun or conversation but do not take them any more seriously than that, no personality test will help you get to the heart of yourself, that much I can guarantee you.
My sister has taken MBTI and used it less as a “oh this person is _this_ type” and more as a “these are the general strengths and weaknesses of this person”.
Wielding it, she’s kinda helped herself understand how our mom processes social interactions, but that likely worked so well because our mom is a bit of a rigid person with heavy extremes. People who are more in-between in the variables are harder to get a grasp of.
@@RePorpoised I understand the appeal of it, but the MBTI is psuedo science at best, it’s fine if you want to use it to help you process things, but I always urge people to not really use them for real life. It’s fine to use for writing for creating characters, because characters aren’t people, but humans are far more complex than to be put into broad strokes.
Your videos are works of art.
@JoshKeefeVideos, if by any means you read this, this 9 is begging you, keep going.
Me: has work in an hour
Also me: script man posted i no longer have work today
Quit >:)
@@localscriptman I wish 😭
@@localscriptman Also do you still happen to have availability for script consultations?
@@lucyrowe7360 Not at the moment sörry
@@localscriptman All good! Hopefully next time then! (If there is a next time i really hope there's a next time)
I'm a type 6 INTJ and people overestimate how much "group oriented" 6s are. It caused me to type as a 5 for way longer than necessary cause my security ofientation manifests itself in constant seatch for "truth" and things I can trust in realm of information. I realized that while I have a lot of mental activity (ruminating, nitpicking, going back and forth), I dont really come up with my own conclusions, understanding isnt my motivation - settling my doubts is. I'm very independent as a person, in fact cooperation, asking for help and security, opinions or support of others comes very hard to me because of my upbringing, but even tho I try to settle my problems myself I still orient with external sources and turn away from myself & self-abandon cause as a 6 I lack an internal sense of being able to figure things out on my own and deal with them as they come.
Once you strip MBTI of its archetypical personified representations (ESTJs are middle managers, INFPs are poets etc.) and view the types as logical and emotional filters through which people view the world, the thing you’re left with that always appealed to my (probably enneagram 4) self is a perfectly symmetrical number (four to the power of four) of orientations that are each a logical permutation of the system’s internal logic, rather than something more arbitrary like “some people are nice and some people are really good at math.”
Fantastic video. As a writer myself who is also familiar with the enneagram I found it quite useful and engaging to hear about your thoughts on the pros and cons of the system. Plus the live action elements are a nice change of pace even if I thought it would be nice if they were more broken up with b roll or other footage.
The core problem with MBTI is that the data does not support the binary concepts. Most people are not either extroverted or introverted, but it's actually a bell curve where most are somewhere in the middle.
MBTI reduces our personalities to a few rather arbitrary aspects, where most of us are actually not that different from each other, and ignores what actually makes us so unique: it's the cumulation of a lot of little differences that on the whole add up to everyone being a unique individual.
MBTI only focuses on the 4 letters. But what if we include the deeper complexities of the 4 letters with the cognitive functions?
The bell curve of the extrovert and introvert from the surface 4-letter model actually acknowledges this with the deeper application of the cognitive functions.
For example: INTJs are predominantly introverted, but when including the cognitive functions of the INTJ (Ni, Te, Fi, Se), it reveals here that the INTJ have a balanced set of extroverted and introverted preferences. (Introverted Intuition Ni, Extroverted Thinking Te, Introverted Feeling Fi, Extroverted Sensing Se).
In the MBTI community, each of the 16 types are encouraged to hone in their top 4 cognitive functions (that is both their introverted and extroverted functions) to be a healthy and balanced type.
An INTJ who only uses their natural introverted cognitive functions (Ni & Fi) is a extremely secluded individual who lives in an ivory tower primarily to entertain the thoughts in his mind, stuck with his own feelings. Therefore, an INTJ needs his extroverted functions (Te & Se) in order to project his ideas into the real world by creating productivity systems, and by being present-minded, to be outside the mind and be aware of the surroundings, in order to do the work.
That is one of the simple ways to put to practice the application of the cognitive functions beyond the limited surface level of the 4-letter dichotomy of MBTI.
By ignoring the cognitive functions, MBTI becomes oversimplified and no wonder it reduces personalities into a few arbitrary aspects. 🤔
However, in writing, MBTI is only limited to how the characters are written on how they gather information around them and how they make decisions out of it. One still has to ask the core reasons why the characters do the way they do, and that's where Enneagram fits in to add their core uniqueness.
But in real-life application, MBTI with the cognitive functions does dissect the nuances behind how an individual does the way he does regardless of his Enneagram number, and because of MBTI's objective abstract nature, it tends to be more useful in specifically pointing which areas an individual needs to do in order to overcome a particular problem.
MBTI and Enneagram does has its place as tools.
@@BuizelCream for one, it's not just extroverted/introverted, all dichotomies appear to be on a bell curve.
Furthermore, extra/introversion as a concepts seems to be an oversimplification to the point it harms the goal we try to achieve.
Trying to dissect my own extra/introversion by concrete examples, I find there are many variables affecting whether I "feel" extra/intorverted, for example: how tired am I, how much do I like people/activities, what happened in the past, etc.
With those different situations describing the same person as both extra- and introverted, one could argue for the whole measure to be an average.
However, there are two issues with that:
Firstly, there is a danger of overvaluing certain data points, and ignoring others.
Secondly, putting together such a vast amount of variables kinda makes the measurement meaningless, since it obscures potentially relevant variable changes, and does not look at those variables independently.
In the end this essentially has the same problem as IQ - too many variables, probably does not measure what we want to measure, and oversimplified to the point its more or less useless.
And again, this applies to all those dichotomies.
It's probably a bit disappointing that the answer seems to be as usual "well it's all very complicated and there are no simple solutions", but on the other side, I think it's also beautiful that we're all so unique we can't be categorised by a few letters.
@@telcharthegreatsmithofthef7585 In the cognitive functions of MBTI, the meaning of extroversion and introversion is entirely different from the everyday dictionary. Extroversion here simply means how one evaluates data externally and then makes decisions that impact the outside world. Introversion is ofc opposite, evaluating data internally and making decisions that matters on the inside.
Thus, in MBTI, extroversion/introversion does not share the definitions of the common social viewpoint of how people view extroverts and introverts everyday. This is where MBTI explains the validity of the bell curve in its system (or I'd personally call it the axis meter) that defies common stereotypes, only if it includes the cognitive functions, which the limited 4-letter MBTI dichotomy can ever explain.
An INTJ (predominantly introverted both by MBTI definitions and by social perception) can create impact on the outside world by projecting their ideas and making them reality (Te), and communicating with them to the people (Se), using their extroverted functions. This is how the inclusion of the cognitive functions point out one of the many examples of a common MBTI stereotype subversion, which an INTJ who may appear as a socially aloof introverted individual who's always inside his head can be mistaken as someone who's suddenly loud, ambitious and bold like a socially extroverted person at first or multiple glances would appear to be.
On the other hand, an ESFP (stereotypically the socially extroverted party person) have cognitive introverted functions that, for example, allows them to become pretty insightful with how they perceive the world (Ni), making this energetic ESFP individual who may often be found enjoying dancing and travelling a lot to suddenly have this thought-provoking and profound insights of the people and the world around them when they share what's in their mind.
This is how the many MBTI types become the ambiverts they are capable of because of including the application of the cognitive functions and its nuances beyond the 4 letters.
This is also why a particular individual with the same MBTI type as the other individual doesn't always come off across exactly the same. Some INTJs appear to be more socially introverted or extroverted than others, and so does ESFPs, despite what the first letter may say it is. Mistypes occur often because of ignoring the nuances of the cognitive functions. Just because one feels socially introverted irl doesn't mean he automatically has an "I" in his own 4 MBTI letters either, for example.
While yes, the complexity of the inclusion of the cognitive functions does provide way too many variables to certainly measure things out, this is why it does take a lot more time to be certain what one's MBTI type really is by comparison to finding one's Enneagram number.
MBTI and its cognitive functions is just a much more complicated tool to use compared to Enneagram (especially if we include LocalScriptMan's suggestion to ignore some parts of Enneagram ideas).
What I really learned about MBTI over the years for its very complex tool is that the 4 letters do not explain everything, rather it explains very little, nor does it box someone in a defined stereotype, in fact it's quite the opposite. MBTI (as long as it is used with the cognitive functions properly) is a really powerful tool for self growth. The less one knows how to properly use this tool, the less useful it becomes to the one using it. Thus, MBTI is often easily misused due to how complex it is, apparently. 🤔
It was never encouraged to be used like a simple tool. 😅
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Hi! I just discovered your channel today and I’ve binge watched your videos lol. Your videos are great and super helpful, so thank you! I’m also glad that you talked abt Enneagram without perpetuating stereotypes. It’s an aspect that genuinely pisses me off about some content creators (on Yt or other platform), to the point that I started to actively avoid some Enneagram related accounts. So yeah, cool video :)
Such a great breakdown of how these structures can be functionally used! After reading the detailed description, I'm definitely a Type 1. I have no idea what kind of creative works I want to share (if any at all) because how will I know if it furthers my ideals? I don't know how to control my influence over others or what I want that influence to be, so I'd rather have none at all. That's where I'm at, anyway; plenty of room to grow.
I don't really have anything to apply this to at the moment, but I can only imagine using the enneagram for characters... It's a game-changer. Really digs right down to the meat of motivation and provides a solid place to build from!
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