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  • @blakedickenson2394
    @blakedickenson2394 Pƙed 16 dny +255

    It’s hard for the general public to sympathise with this when most people dig holes for 8 hours a day, everyday.

    • @BeTheSmileOfGod
      @BeTheSmileOfGod Pƙed 16 dny +37

      Most ppl definitely don’t dig holes 😂😂

    • @garyjones5406
      @garyjones5406 Pƙed 16 dny +44

      ​@@BeTheSmileOfGodI'm pretty sure that the digging holes comment wasn't meant to be taken literally ...but maybe I'm just digging myself a hole here....

    • @abdul-hadimoussa5146
      @abdul-hadimoussa5146 Pƙed 16 dny +10

      If he couldn't handle earning 6 figures for training hard and playing a sport he loves, how is he going to handle the real world? What do you think his boss as a tradesman or office worker will do to him if he's late? Hug and apologise to him so he doesn't get upset?

    • @Alekosdw
      @Alekosdw Pƙed 16 dny

      @@abdul-hadimoussa5146probably nothing tbh

    • @coreyjohnston9195
      @coreyjohnston9195 Pƙed 16 dny +2

      And that’s their choice to have that career

  • @tuufn8039
    @tuufn8039 Pƙed 16 dny +220

    Give me an nrl contract and I’ll wrestle the whole nrl 510 players.

    • @KwisBwown
      @KwisBwown Pƙed 16 dny

      naked

    • @maxfish4770
      @maxfish4770 Pƙed 16 dny +7

      That's exactly what my nephew said

    • @J-Bird1234
      @J-Bird1234 Pƙed 16 dny +10

      ​@@maxfish4770 everyone says that until they actually have to do it.

    • @KwisBwown
      @KwisBwown Pƙed 16 dny +3

      I wrestled a few of them on Saturday night đŸ€”

    • @hoggers7572
      @hoggers7572 Pƙed 15 dny +9

      ​@@KwisBwownnah that was Paul Kent who you planted

  • @ronanrogers4127
    @ronanrogers4127 Pƙed 16 dny +116

    Billy’s got such great insights. You can see he’s going to be as good a coach as he was a player.

    • @magic696
      @magic696 Pƙed 13 dny

      Disciplined in mind and body is what I see and hear from Billy. All three commentators mentality’s showed why they were elite

  • @KaosRising
    @KaosRising Pƙed 16 dny +100

    I’m a landscaper I push wheel barrows dog holes and carry tonnes of material daily,Jackson any time you want to swap trades big fella I’m all for it! Harden up princess , I make $31 an hlur

    • @60Bando
      @60Bando Pƙed 16 dny +14

      You’re a labourer if you’re on $31 an hour, you should be on atleast $35 p/h + Travel/Meal allowance. Don’t take nothing less đŸ‘đŸ»đŸ‘đŸ»

    • @garyjones5406
      @garyjones5406 Pƙed 16 dny +10

      Bloody right mate! These guys are great athletes without a doubt but over-paid and spoiled rotten.
      I remember bumping into Terry Randall years ago on a job , he was in first grade and was playing for Australia but drove a concrete truck for a living ....these guys need to be thankful and respectful for what the public and the game , has given them.

    • @doogi30
      @doogi30 Pƙed 16 dny +8

      you wouldnt last in an nrl training session, stick to digging holes mate not a single player cares that you dont like your job lol

    • @yessirrr5182
      @yessirrr5182 Pƙed 16 dny +6

      I'm a garbo and I make 39

    • @peenweinerstein9968
      @peenweinerstein9968 Pƙed 16 dny +2

      I’m sure if you were made to wrestle all your workmates for rocking up late you’d have a case as well!

  • @Dengtui_01
    @Dengtui_01 Pƙed 16 dny +40

    These three legends are all correct. We flogged at training too; it was only bush footy in Group 9.

    • @noxcorvus93
      @noxcorvus93 Pƙed 15 dny

      Riverina! Family roots there. Coota Bulldogs!

  • @dbo4506
    @dbo4506 Pƙed 16 dny +43

    Don’t be late. Simple. And if you are, accept the consequences.

    • @Damonicus1
      @Damonicus1 Pƙed 16 dny +2

      Also, don't be late on more than 1 occasion.

    • @peenweinerstein9968
      @peenweinerstein9968 Pƙed 16 dny +1

      What are the accepted consequences of being late?

    • @hoggers7572
      @hoggers7572 Pƙed 15 dny

      ​@@peenweinerstein9968A paddling

    • @JoshuaRoberts-kq9cs
      @JoshuaRoberts-kq9cs Pƙed 15 dny

      When i rocked up late to school I'd get the cane.All that archived was me developing a fetish for the cane.

    • @t.t6191
      @t.t6191 Pƙed 15 dny +1

      Yeah WITHIN the law. Noone knows what actually happened so... it has to be investigated unfortunately.

  • @patcummins6036
    @patcummins6036 Pƙed 16 dny +60

    I can understand why Queensland will win the State of Origin with Billy as coach!

    • @seanp7871
      @seanp7871 Pƙed 16 dny

      đŸ€Ą

    • @maxfish4770
      @maxfish4770 Pƙed 16 dny

      Stick to cricket mate 😂

    • @BenWick-oc8pv
      @BenWick-oc8pv Pƙed 16 dny +1

      Two words for why QLD will win - Micheal Maguire

    • @JoshuaRoberts-kq9cs
      @JoshuaRoberts-kq9cs Pƙed 15 dny

      NSW commentators write QLD off every year.Personaly i sit back and watch QLD dominant the series.​@@BenWick-oc8pv

  • @viol8r007
    @viol8r007 Pƙed 16 dny +5

    As a chef , i should have sued my employer for making me work split shifts

  • @Norm96
    @Norm96 Pƙed 16 dny +20

    Nobody has really brought this up but around the same time this happened there was a bunch of injuries sustained at bulldogs training, tevita pangai left, Brandon burns left and faitala mariner (the club captain) spoke to ciraldo about the tough training regime. All of them eventually leaving. And now we see the bulldogs improving.

    • @bigtomivan
      @bigtomivan Pƙed 16 dny +9

      bang on. ciraldo came from penrith and brought penrith standards. The players who left were the ones not up to standard

    • @justinsmith4562
      @justinsmith4562 Pƙed 15 dny

      Pantai is weak as well. Sooky generation.

  • @Flobastino241
    @Flobastino241 Pƙed 16 dny +48

    The bloke is just soft, ffs

    • @Proudman12152
      @Proudman12152 Pƙed 16 dny +6

      That’s the new generation now. It’s all about money and fame. No more tough men just soft man! The game soft

    • @peenweinerstein9968
      @peenweinerstein9968 Pƙed 15 dny +1

      Career ending injuries and he is soft? Shoulda just walked it off. Also nobody cares about mental health anymore supposedly?

    • @loufrost824
      @loufrost824 Pƙed 14 dny +2

      @@peenweinerstein9968 So sick of the mental health card coming out everytime these pampered athletes need an out. When a normal person doesn`t do their job or becomes too much trouble, they get fired and nobody gives a damm about their mental health. Your Boss isn`t your Daddy.

    • @peenweinerstein9968
      @peenweinerstein9968 Pƙed 13 dny

      @@loufrost824 alright dude not toxic at all
 hope nobody around you is suffering from any mental health issues , we should be supporting our mates whenever possible if you ask me

  • @jaromeasdale7157
    @jaromeasdale7157 Pƙed 15 dny +8

    NRL teams aren't above OH&S laws. In a legal sense there is no difference to an employee in an office vs an employee on the footy field, they all have rights and all employers owe a duty of care.

    • @magic696
      @magic696 Pƙed 13 dny

      Is the Army above OH&S laws (I really am asking) because if they are pushed to and then beyond their limits and quit then they don’t deserve to be there. Or can they run to the courts and say this is a workplace and I don’t expect that kind of treatment??

    • @jaromeasdale7157
      @jaromeasdale7157 Pƙed 13 dny

      @@magic696 that's a decision for the Court.

  • @paulywalnutz5855
    @paulywalnutz5855 Pƙed 16 dny +29

    Jackson Topine could of just copped it on the chin and dealt with the dogs internally, and he could probably have sorted out an avenue back to playing or another role within the club and as a doggies fan i can speak for the entire fan base, we loved him. He was like a younger version of Josh Reynolds the next prince of Belmore and future captain. Now hes just propper gronked himself lol

    • @sphiinxog6111
      @sphiinxog6111 Pƙed 16 dny +1

      And if he had dealt with it internally and didn't like the treatment at the club other clubs WOULD NOT know about this and he could have potentially moved to another club. Now his chances of that are slim to none and he knows that so he's taken legal action.

    • @nigelmcculloch3746
      @nigelmcculloch3746 Pƙed 16 dny +3

      Someone has put him up to this (hey we can make some money here!)

    • @dbo4506
      @dbo4506 Pƙed 16 dny +2

      @@nigelmcculloch3746 you’re probably not far off the mark. Poor guidance for the sake of a pay cheque. A shame. Kids career is done at this point. What he needed was when he went home with his bottom lip out having a whinge was a strong role model tell him to grow a set and go back to training with a point to prove. Instead I bet they just fuelled the fire and encouraged him to be a victim.

    • @nigelmcculloch3746
      @nigelmcculloch3746 Pƙed 16 dny +1

      @@dbo4506 couldn't agree more, like they pointed out, it's a tough physical sport, it's not for everyone, I would be shocked if any court let his claim be heard!

    • @yessirrr5182
      @yessirrr5182 Pƙed 16 dny +1

      ​@nigelmcculloch3746 no way he wins, they're gonna look at his situation and know he's just looking for an easy way out,

  • @Abc1231x1
    @Abc1231x1 Pƙed 16 dny +19

    You take the shoulder hit out and suspend Spencer for banter now you want to cry cause training is hard..fair game

    • @ThurstonWatt
      @ThurstonWatt Pƙed 16 dny

      it's "banter" to you, but your opinion on the matter is literally irrelevant. some people really do talk just to make noise.

  • @jasonwaterford5942
    @jasonwaterford5942 Pƙed 16 dny +15

    OMG here in the real world 

.. I’d rather say I survived training and I played
. Not I sued and sulked
.

    • @aj-qj4lt
      @aj-qj4lt Pƙed 16 dny

      And yet here you are on CZcams sulking....

    • @jasonwaterford5942
      @jasonwaterford5942 Pƙed 16 dny +3

      @@aj-qj4lt bait taken I’ve got and earned my trophy 🏆

  • @matts3191
    @matts3191 Pƙed 16 dny +30

    I think if Michael mentioned at the opening that he is now unable to play due to physical and mental health issues after the wrestling session, the panel probably would’ve had a different reaction. Instead he mentions it at the end of the segment and Billy just says that’s sad. Sad.

    • @afp854
      @afp854 Pƙed 16 dny +22

      not everyone is made for professional sport, thats why you and i are commenting on youtube videos

    • @dogsofwar811
      @dogsofwar811 Pƙed 16 dny +3

      @@afp854perfectly said mate. Not everyone can do this.

    • @moganfreeman6036
      @moganfreeman6036 Pƙed 16 dny +4

      @@afp854that’s not a part of professional sports, he’d be fined or suspended if they didn’t have that bush league mentality. He should’ve told the coach to kick rocks as soon as they suggested that punishment.

    • @dbo4506
      @dbo4506 Pƙed 16 dny +14

      He can play. He trained after that session and his manager was seeking deals with other clubs right up to when he decided to go down the legal pathway. He’s saying he can’t play because he wants money. Not because it’s the truth. Think about all the veterans with REAL mental health scars that still turn up to work day in day out. Adversity builds character. Something this kid clearly lacks. He is the typical modern day victim. An embarrassment to himself. Life’s not meant to be easy.

    • @TheShepdawg9
      @TheShepdawg9 Pƙed 16 dny +11

      I call absolute bull. He's claiming mental health issues now that no team wants him

  • @user-sg5jf9cp4q
    @user-sg5jf9cp4q Pƙed 16 dny +21

    I think more damaging to the game is the six again calls called from somewhere in the stands for ruck infringements. If you only rewind it you can see there is no infringement. The bell goes at least two or three passes later. Why is this not scrutinised? No media coverage? The game is open to manipulation and it is lacking integrity.

    • @Joseph1988
      @Joseph1988 Pƙed 16 dny +3

      Agreed. It's all corruption. All these BS 6 again and ruck infringement calls are all rubbish.

    • @george447
      @george447 Pƙed 16 dny +1

      @@Joseph1988 NRL needs to be rebranded to NRL MAFIA

    • @Joseph1988
      @Joseph1988 Pƙed 16 dny

      @@george447 agreed 👍

  • @Idkidk55957
    @Idkidk55957 Pƙed 16 dny +11

    If you told me to play nrl all I had to do was wrestle the whole squad I'd say let me do it 5 times in a row. Fight the first 3 and cruise the rest

    • @moganfreeman6036
      @moganfreeman6036 Pƙed 16 dny

      Obviously that wasn’t an option.

    • @fu8713
      @fu8713 Pƙed 15 dny +1

      Ooh we have a tough guy here đŸ˜‚đŸ˜‚đŸ˜‚đŸ˜‚đŸ«ŁđŸ«Łlol

  • @dogsofwar811
    @dogsofwar811 Pƙed 16 dny +36

    I have a friend who works in rugby league and there is alot more to the story then what they are saying here. I’ve been a dogs supporter for over 25 years and let’s just say I’m in full support of this player.

    • @Chris-tc6ws
      @Chris-tc6ws Pƙed 16 dny +29

      Why would you say that and then not say what you think actually happened? Why would we just take your word for it that it was more then just wrestling

    • @sqd849
      @sqd849 Pƙed 16 dny +19

      @@Chris-tc6wscause he made it up

    • @KwisBwown
      @KwisBwown Pƙed 16 dny +4

      yup. i have heard the same thing from Doggies lawyers....things aren't being revealed by the committee to save face

    • @jasonbran4887
      @jasonbran4887 Pƙed 16 dny +8

      ​@@KwisBwown Oh so we're supposed to believe your words too? Lol

    • @mritsme9901
      @mritsme9901 Pƙed 16 dny +4

      Well said @Chris-tc6ws people big noting themselves pretending they know something when they don’t. I’d have a bet they don’t support the bulldogs at all.

  • @mj_aussie_coaster_travels8310
    @mj_aussie_coaster_travels8310 Pƙed 16 dny +40

    I struggle with how on one hand they’re basically saying he’s being a sook, but if someone is called what they consider a slur then they need to wrapped up in cotton wool and protected.
    What’s harder on your mental health? Getting thrashed by your entire team or some outside of your team calling you a bad name?
    Surely if you have to be tough enough for one, the other should be a walk in the park?

    • @74_pelicans
      @74_pelicans Pƙed 16 dny +7

      this is not how you draw comparisions lol

    • @dbo4506
      @dbo4506 Pƙed 16 dny +2

      @@74_pelicans why?

    • @paulmitchell6485
      @paulmitchell6485 Pƙed 16 dny +5

      ​@@74_pelicansyes it is

    • @fins6191
      @fins6191 Pƙed 16 dny +4

      ​@74_pelicans why don't you enlighten us? Or did you just come to be generally smug and superior

    • @adrianprice7959
      @adrianprice7959 Pƙed 16 dny +1

      Fair

  • @Paul-ik8fm
    @Paul-ik8fm Pƙed 16 dny +4

    I want to be a nrl player and I didnt make it so I am going to sue all the 17 clubs because its there fault I am not good enough.

  • @healthymindhealthybody9692

    Don't get me started on being late !!!
    I trained to swim for the Olympics when I was young fella.
    I would swim2 hours before and 2 hours after school and on weekends for hours per day .
    Now when I was swimming, I would swim until I would vomit and That's when I stopped to wash my mouth out so I could continue training.
    In winter my coach would put 20 odd bags of ice in the pool and tell me the only way I can get warm is if I don't stop swimming.
    My coach screamed on the side of the pool when I trained and had a bucket of ice cubes to throw at me if my swimming stroke was incorrect or I was going to slow .
    Training also included keeping dumbels out of the water above my head and only using my kick to stay afloat, also having a rubber strap to my feet so I had to use my arms to stroke a certain distance and if I didn't I would have to keep doing it until I did .
    This is just a little tiny tiny taste of what I had to do .
    You know what , as hard as I trained and I did beat some great swimmers back my day I still never made the Olympics, I was close but not close enough.
    NRL training is to be somewhat the best in Australia, when you become an Olympian you train to be the best in THE WHOLE FUKN WORLD 🌎.
    This guy who's having a winge about training to hard is actually the weak gutted dog Sticky was pointing the finger at .
    Pathetic
    If you want to play NRL , you take everything that comes with it .
    If you don't cut it , then change your career and find something else you're good at .

  • @kevinwaters5872
    @kevinwaters5872 Pƙed 16 dny +4

    Look , when your boss asks you to do something in the work place you can refuse. The consequences are then negotiated. That is all that is happening.

  • @manmountain3205
    @manmountain3205 Pƙed 13 dny

    Billy is just awesome honestly

  • @thor_6886
    @thor_6886 Pƙed 16 dny +18

    Fine for the panel to talk about finding out how tough someone is, pushing them to "breaking point" says Joey. Hmmm, a Manly player died after a training session in 2020 from "exertional heat stroke". Is that the type of "breaking point" the panel thinks is okay? It's the same idiotic argument about head knocks - in the good old days when players got knocked senseless but came back on later the commentators said how tough he was. Now we know about the long-term effects, yet some pundits still reckon the game has gone "soft" over the concusssion protocols...This won't be the last lawsuit, that's for sure.

    • @MotivatedMan
      @MotivatedMan Pƙed 16 dny +2

      You are a professional athlete, paid to the highest degree and as such should act like it. You don't even have the respect or decency to turn up on time as your top priority. 10mins of punishment is more then enough, some people in everyday jobs making 50k a year get the sack for being 5mins late to work for genuine reasons.
      We aren't talking about them trying to ruin his life, like Billy said, his punishment for other clubs is a regular training session and its that attitude why the same clubs no matter what stay always competitive and at the top. The bulldogs have a coach, staff and players who all understand that and its starting to show.

    • @peacelove5370
      @peacelove5370 Pƙed 16 dny

      Might as well go play badminton if your soft😂 or better yet go play with some barbie dolls it’s a job and a good one don’t have a cry when there is people cleaning toilets for a livingđŸ€·đŸœ

    • @maxfish4770
      @maxfish4770 Pƙed 16 dny +1

      Name one pundit who says the game is soft due to hia protocols, you can't

    • @QwidgyboMan
      @QwidgyboMan Pƙed 16 dny +2

      It was 21 degrees the day Titmuss died. He's an anomalous case. Go back to netball.

    • @thor_6886
      @thor_6886 Pƙed 15 dny

      @@maxfish4770 Here's just one example for you. From ABC news: "...with Phil Gould espousing his views on Channel Nine's 100% Footy, labelling the NRL's approach - which saw 19 players taken off the field for 15-minute head injury assessments across eight games in round one - "concussion hysteria". Canterbury's general manager said the league had bowed to pressure from the media, lawyers and even doctors in taking a cautious approach to concussion protocols...". Rugby union already has a class action lawsuit from former players, league will be next.

  • @11Acky
    @11Acky Pƙed 16 dny +1

    Try Grading for a Karate Black Beat, 40 full contact 2 minute fights one after the other with no breaks. Seen it happen and the person doesn't complain

  • @darrengifford7442
    @darrengifford7442 Pƙed 16 dny +5

    Send him too Billy Johnstone

  • @cozzau
    @cozzau Pƙed 16 dny +4

    I love the old players vs workplace health and safety arguments. “It’s just the game argument vs no sick days, no annual leave, no paternity leave argument is funny

    • @yessirrr5182
      @yessirrr5182 Pƙed 16 dny +2

      New generation are soft and you're one

    • @ChongMasterFlex
      @ChongMasterFlex Pƙed 16 dny

      Go play soccer

    • @Jacko89
      @Jacko89 Pƙed 16 dny +2

      What should players get for breaking team rules? A written warning? A meeting with HR? They couldn't drop him to reserve grade since he already spent all his time there

    • @maxfish4770
      @maxfish4770 Pƙed 16 dny +1

      For a start, no sick days? They can be injured the whole season and still get paid in full

    • @cozzau
      @cozzau Pƙed 16 dny

      @@maxfish4770 ever heard of workers comp or income insurance?

  • @ChongMasterFlex
    @ChongMasterFlex Pƙed 16 dny

    “You didn’t even have to be late” hahahaha

  • @user-sm8cg9cr7v
    @user-sm8cg9cr7v Pƙed 16 dny +2

    A possible solution for clubs in the future that allows them to discipline players for breaking the rules might be to have clauses in the player's contract that says if you are late for training, for instance, without a reasonable excuse, the player gets fined $10000. If they do it again, $20000,. Keep on doing it and we tear up your contract. A player losing their own money is a big incentive.

  • @trip-h3161
    @trip-h3161 Pƙed 16 dny +1

    If we don't push ourselves to the limits we won't able to know what we are capable of when the times gets tough.

  • @bfuisting
    @bfuisting Pƙed 15 dny +2

    It is not surprising that an employee sues an employer for physical and emotional punishment that dates back 20 years. What was acceptable 20 years ago in sport, schools and workplaces is no longer acceptable in today's society. Regardless if it is a professional sport or not, an employer still has a duty of care to their employees.

  • @johnfrawley5706
    @johnfrawley5706 Pƙed 16 dny +1

    i worked two jobs to support my family
    i found time to stay in shape and play with my friends in a league on sundays
    i went in to work on some monday morning in pain but i loved the sport
    i paid club dues to play
    i cant understand these guys complaining about training but i guess itts all about heart

  • @colinmartin6804
    @colinmartin6804 Pƙed 14 dny

    Never played footy came here aged 22 love the game its tuff it can be brutal at times to me only big bruisers play got to be slightly crazy too disciplined on and off field when get big $$ you have to expect tuff training to keep up with other teams

  • @justinharwood5922
    @justinharwood5922 Pƙed 15 dny +1

    The size and stamina of players today are so much more advanced then when any of these guys played. If the story is true and i am not convinced it is. I think the bulldogs are in trouble here. The law will not carre they are a professional sport.

  • @mikediao15
    @mikediao15 Pƙed 16 dny +2

    People are being dismissive of his claims. If the wrestling caused him injury then that’s not right. There is a line between abuse or discipline. NFL has rules against these treatment and I believe NFL is tougher than NRL

    • @maxfish4770
      @maxfish4770 Pƙed 16 dny

      😂😂😂

    • @mikediao15
      @mikediao15 Pƙed 16 dny

      @@maxfish4770 Facts though. NFLPA or NBAPA won't tolerate what Bulldogs did to this man... I say sue their ass.

  • @fightingsloth
    @fightingsloth Pƙed 12 dny

    Even at JiuJitsu not even near a pro level we would have to grapple without a break for HOURS in order to go through a grading. We never got paid 😂

  • @magic696
    @magic696 Pƙed 13 dny

    100% right from the commentators. He couldn’t do what is required and is wanting money for it. He wasn’t gonna be playing at $400k for the next 10yrs.

  • @nathansolo2605
    @nathansolo2605 Pƙed 16 dny +1

    There is no clause in the workplace safety legislation that excludes professional sporting clubs. It its irrelevant whether incidents of arriving late for work have a history of punishments. What is not discussed why they are late, bad traffic, sick children, appointments etc. The law is not in the Bulldogs favour, they will settle.

  • @user-uk7se7ez7r
    @user-uk7se7ez7r Pƙed 16 dny

    Gee, things have changed since George Piper's Balmain teammates used to get him out of the pub on Saturday to play in the main game.

    • @daleviker5884
      @daleviker5884 Pƙed 15 dny

      You bet. They play on Sundays now. 🙂

  • @paulmcgeechan8503
    @paulmcgeechan8503 Pƙed 13 dny

    And there’s the reason why Queensland beats NSW. Billy Slater, the smartest man in that room by a very long way.

  • @mrtjpeno1141
    @mrtjpeno1141 Pƙed 15 dny

    About time. Your making sense andrew

  • @harryealedona3782
    @harryealedona3782 Pƙed 13 dny

    AJ and BF kept closing off Billy's great insights.

  • @BillyBones69
    @BillyBones69 Pƙed 14 dny +1

    None of the talking heads are actually addressing the claims. The claims are about humiliation and workplace bullying. I don't have a strong stance on the issue but its pathetic watching them all strawman what could be a legitimate problem.

  • @BenWick-oc8pv
    @BenWick-oc8pv Pƙed 16 dny +1

    If the Bulldogs do an out of court settlement, they should be fined by the NRL or even suspended for a season. Not even our incredibly #%$ed up legal system could fine in favour of the plaintiff.
    He was not locked in a room and told he couldn't leave until the punishment was completed. Anytime he wanted to walk out of training he could have done so.

  • @johnfrawley5706
    @johnfrawley5706 Pƙed 16 dny

    and yes wen he says dig holes i believe he means doing physical work
    i kno there r other guys like me who played for the love of gamd
    ja'maine hopgood( not sure i spelled that right) dad died after playing reserve grade
    thats heart im sure ja'maine doesnt complain bc he had the right role model

    • @JoshuaRoberts-kq9cs
      @JoshuaRoberts-kq9cs Pƙed 15 dny

      Trouble is in this modern day and age we live in alot of people think manual labour is someone's name, not hard work.

  • @terrypoulos4183
    @terrypoulos4183 Pƙed 11 dny

    The word your looking for is intestinal fortitude

  • @westyw6117
    @westyw6117 Pƙed 16 dny +2

    Topine sounds a bit soft to me

  • @RobertEscudier
    @RobertEscudier Pƙed 13 dny

    I suspect if it gets to court then you are going to have a problem. Tough guys that you all are.

  • @lazymaile8723
    @lazymaile8723 Pƙed 15 dny

    A fine would've been mire necessary or even dropped from the squad to reserve grade...

  • @ptasau35
    @ptasau35 Pƙed 14 dny

    would be interesting to hear some thoughts abouts case vis a vis the Keith titmuss case

  • @MrBobbit666
    @MrBobbit666 Pƙed 16 dny +1

    ol mate obviously is not cut out for the nrl if he wins in court that would be an absolute joke come be a steel fixer or anything in construction see how ya go mate and see if ya can survive on our wages he had it sweet

  • @t.t6191
    @t.t6191 Pƙed 15 dny +1

    He must have something, evidence or witnesses otherwise why would he sue? You can't brush it off without knowing exactly what happened. It's not about your stories about training or anyone elses its about that particular incident.

  • @eddiediesel9035
    @eddiediesel9035 Pƙed 16 dny +4

    The last thing you need is a HR department.

  • @ciarondunn6655
    @ciarondunn6655 Pƙed 15 dny

    Lol. Ex footballers and WH&S. Where amongst other things, employers need to
    - Providing a safe and healthy work environment for all employees.
    - Identify and eliminate hazards in the workplace to prevent accidents and injuries.
    - Consult with employees on health and safety matters to ensure their input and participation... đŸ€”

  • @pdu83
    @pdu83 Pƙed 16 dny +5

    As it was said and been said if he had just kept his complaints in house he could have just settled and perhaps gone somewhere else... now no one is going to want to take him.

    • @garyjones5406
      @garyjones5406 Pƙed 16 dny +1

      Correct. If I were running a building crew and knowingly employed a guy who had previously sued his employer over what is normal practice, I'd be a bloody idiot.

  • @johnfrawley5706
    @johnfrawley5706 Pƙed 16 dny +1

    i cant understand y people r mocking a guy who is landscaper or a garbo
    saying they couldnt cut it in nrl its not about cutting it in nrl
    its about appreciating a god given skill that others including myself wd give my left pinky to have y troll another man?

  • @user-ic6tc4re6i
    @user-ic6tc4re6i Pƙed 16 dny +1

    Well, they should bring in a legal expert to give insight into the legal side of things. At least a legal prediction of some sort.

    • @yessirrr5182
      @yessirrr5182 Pƙed 16 dny

      It's called penalties, anyone stuffs up they get punishment, it's part of discipline, he's just soft

    • @peenweinerstein9968
      @peenweinerstein9968 Pƙed 16 dny

      Because the legal standpoint is simple: it’s not legal to order people to wrestle each other as a punishment, regardless what your job is

    • @Unbearable.Unbearable
      @Unbearable.Unbearable Pƙed 16 dny +1

      All clubs will be looking at this closely. If the Bulldogs pay out any $, lawyers might draft future contracts to include the player not holding the club liable for any punishments imposed by the coaching staff.

  • @manbearpig7359
    @manbearpig7359 Pƙed 16 dny

    7:14 Geez, if that happened to this Jackson donut he would be suing for SA

  • @sampenno4368
    @sampenno4368 Pƙed 16 dny +1

    Why did he not start with the statement at 10 minutes? Completely wasted discussion because they didn’t realise the actual accusation

  • @Dude-etiquette
    @Dude-etiquette Pƙed 16 dny +9

    Horrible the ex-players saying it’s ok and happens all the time. This is unacceptable

    • @Damonicus1
      @Damonicus1 Pƙed 16 dny +4

      Why? Pretty sure they had to deal with a lot worse in their time. These guys still have a hand in their respective clubs developments, so they would be well aware of what goes on behind closed doors. If you're late to work, you're made to re-coup that time in some sense. This guy had to wrestle 30+ players, allegedly, and he is now dealing with physical and mental stress. Maybe our nurses, ambos, police, etc should do the same and sue their employers because they have it a lot harder than an NRL player.

    • @Dude-etiquette
      @Dude-etiquette Pƙed 16 dny

      @@Damonicus1 I think its important to be balanced. They have no idea what this guy went through, they can't compare what they went through which could be very different or the same, but without knowing they need to be balanced, rather than saying its ok cause it shows they will be there when needed. Plus Joey and Fittler were the stars of their teams so they would've been treated very differently. When you are at the bottom of the team you would have a very different experience.

    • @peenweinerstein9968
      @peenweinerstein9968 Pƙed 16 dny

      ⁠@@Damonicus1if the public service got made to do anything like this for rocking up late then they would 100% have a surefire case that this is unacceptable. Just because it was done in the past doesn’t make it right, and just because other jobs experience worse conditions in their duties doesn’t make it justified.

    • @peacelove5370
      @peacelove5370 Pƙed 16 dny +1

      OMG it’s like everyone is going softđŸ€ŠđŸœ let’s give up contact sport and play badminton 😂

    • @maxfish4770
      @maxfish4770 Pƙed 16 dny +1

      ​@peacelove5370 yep, just don't hit it to hard, might upset someone

  • @kevinfurner9399
    @kevinfurner9399 Pƙed 15 dny

    They still dont get it, they are trying to compare group punishment to being singled out to be humiliated

  • @jacktattis
    @jacktattis Pƙed 16 dny +1

    If the Bulldogs settle, terminate his contract with the settlement and other teams do not sign him up.

  • @dermothegerty9020
    @dermothegerty9020 Pƙed 14 dny +1

    Imagine just waiting for all the facts to be known before having an opinion

  • @arthurwatts1680
    @arthurwatts1680 Pƙed 16 dny +1

    I have the utmost respect for Joey's accomplishments on the field, but when it comes to off-field behaviour I'm more interested in Billy Slater's opinion. None of these guys were boy scouts during their playing career but men like Slater and Lockyer kept their names out of the tabloids.

    • @maxfish4770
      @maxfish4770 Pƙed 16 dny

      Lockyer is no clean skin, like Joey his club and media looked after him

  • @loufrost824
    @loufrost824 Pƙed 14 dny

    His just looking for "go away" money. Classic former employee shakedown, i`ve seen this happen before and it usually works, to expensive and messy to fight it. Next he`ll be whining he can`t get a run at another club, totally oblivious to what his done to himself.

  • @truthonlyhurtsthewicked
    @truthonlyhurtsthewicked Pƙed 16 dny +13

    There's a reason the Frogmen are an exclusive club.
    Imagine one of those soldiers who didn't make it in the Navy Seals suing the military because it was too hard.đŸ€Š
    SOFT generation.

    • @74_pelicans
      @74_pelicans Pƙed 16 dny +4

      so in your day everyone suffered and didnt say anything, we are standing up to bullying and saying no. imagine caring about yourself?

    • @truthonlyhurtsthewicked
      @truthonlyhurtsthewicked Pƙed 16 dny

      @@74_pelicans Sure, if you want to create weak men, go ahead.
      But weak men create harder times.
      If you are correct, why is this generation the most mentally ill?

    • @truthonlyhurtsthewicked
      @truthonlyhurtsthewicked Pƙed 16 dny +10

      @@74_pelicansCreating weak men will only ever end badly for EVERYONE.
      Weak men create harder times. Look around at the mental health of this generation.

    • @Matt_Rides
      @Matt_Rides Pƙed 16 dny +4

      @@74_pelicans man you sound like you put caramel sauce into your soy latte.

    • @darkstars-torpedoes-of-truth
      @darkstars-torpedoes-of-truth Pƙed 16 dny +4

      @@74_pelicans I apologize on behalf of the world for hurting your feelings, it must be terrible for you.

  • @bigh2710
    @bigh2710 Pƙed 16 dny

    They completely missed the point. I personally think topine needsbto harden up but he may see it as hazing which is illegal

  • @RobertLewis-el9ub
    @RobertLewis-el9ub Pƙed 16 dny

    Here we go again - media talking about a case that is before the courts.

  • @ShaquilleOatmeal730
    @ShaquilleOatmeal730 Pƙed dnem

    He definately owes the local gang money and in massive debt.

  • @mikemm9827
    @mikemm9827 Pƙed 16 dny +1

    Freddy went soft with Blue's training that's why they lost!

  • @scotkimlin5627
    @scotkimlin5627 Pƙed 14 dny

    Wish I could sue for doing 20 mins hard work. What a cat

  • @CharismaticIslandBoy
    @CharismaticIslandBoy Pƙed 16 dny +1

    It’s a tough one but agree with Joey. The NRL is a tough sport and training is part of that. Good luck to the player but this os dangerous for clubs moving forward

  • @nswpublicservant
    @nswpublicservant Pƙed 16 dny +1

    The double standards reeks.
    Sure being flogged at training in the old days was the way to go. Now sports science proves it's not necessary.
    So on one hand for Johns being belted on the field is the old bad ways.. but being flogged at training is okay?
    A young kid from Manly died from extreme training in heat.
    A young kid from the Bunnies nearly just did until an abnormal heart saved that club some scrutiny.
    The duty of care to players/employees is more important than 'the game/club'.
    As for the old players being tougher, get real. They were drunks, with beer bellies who couldn't get run in A grade these days.

  • @monwell250
    @monwell250 Pƙed 12 dny

    Ask his team mates to comment!

  • @Hawaiisbigkahuna
    @Hawaiisbigkahuna Pƙed 16 dny +1

    I don’t get it. 4 million for what ?? Does he think that he was going to earn that amount and that’s why he is asking for that amount. He was a fringe player and I’m sure he want on massive money like a Cleary.

  • @HenriHattar
    @HenriHattar Pƙed 15 dny +1

    Playing a whole game with a busted cheek bone is NOT tough, it is plain stupid.

  • @TheOrigamiPeople
    @TheOrigamiPeople Pƙed 15 dny

    Bring back unlimited tackles rule.

  • @loattavanavanua
    @loattavanavanua Pƙed 16 dny

    If i ever had the chance at a shot at the nrl i would not be showing up late to training...! The real world is tough working an 8 to 5 consistentlyis hard.. the nrl isn't for everyone but boy would i love to have a chance at playing code for 6 figures! Up the Wahs!!

    • @ProdSaintAlexiz
      @ProdSaintAlexiz Pƙed 16 dny

      Ok go wake up at 3am and train for the nrl


    • @maxfish4770
      @maxfish4770 Pƙed 16 dny

      ​@@ProdSaintAlexizsince when do they start at 3am, maybe once a season for army type drills. I get up at that time to go fishing. They train, massage, eat and sleep, real tough.

    • @ProdSaintAlexiz
      @ProdSaintAlexiz Pƙed 16 dny

      @@maxfish4770 they don’t but those that say they would do anything if they got an nrl contract wouldn’t do anything to get an nrl contract

    • @maxfish4770
      @maxfish4770 Pƙed 15 dny

      @@ProdSaintAlexiz some of them would and do

  • @owbei
    @owbei Pƙed 16 dny +2

    Sounds like Bulldogs need an HR department đŸ€ŁđŸ€Ł

  • @riposter69
    @riposter69 Pƙed 16 dny +1

    Panel and comments section is full of super tough guys and I'm quivering in my boots with fear. But some points of perspective
    1) Given the roads around SW sydney is it unrealistic to not come 10 minutes late?
    2) Coming late is dumb but the punishment is also dumb as it seems like a bigger waste of time than his 10 minutes for the whole squad and now legally its going to cost them.
    3 ) Can't have it both ways saying "harden the F up!" but then racial slurs and mental health issues are devastating for some players.
    4) By the same token a footy team is not just a professional workplace where HR can set the job descriptions its closer to a military regiment or a mens society with initiation ceremonies.
    I expect he will get a payout but not $4M

  • @andrew_l1900
    @andrew_l1900 Pƙed 13 dny

    Simple solution for clubs, if you’re late to training and it’s not due to an emergency. You get your contract torn up and can join the rest of us with real jobs.

  • @0P9ine
    @0P9ine Pƙed 16 dny +8

    People talk about mens mental health and then toss it in the bin when someone literally says they’ve been mentally abused

    • @peenweinerstein9968
      @peenweinerstein9968 Pƙed 16 dny

      Yep. Clear case here. NRL been getting away with this one for years for the sake of the good old days

    • @peacelove5370
      @peacelove5370 Pƙed 16 dny

      WTF u sign a contract and get big money to get hurt WTF u all crying about this not reasonable the idiot was late and he knew the rules. No call or message to let trainer know reason why he would be missingđŸ€·đŸœ it’s like 2024 men have become womenđŸ±đŸ˜‚

    • @maxfish4770
      @maxfish4770 Pƙed 16 dny +1

      Hes playing the mental health card, should be ashamed of himself, but no it's always someone elses fault

    • @peenweinerstein9968
      @peenweinerstein9968 Pƙed 15 dny +1

      @@maxfish4770 his claim states he has career ending physical injuries sustained from the event. Also, to phrase it as “the mental health card” is so reductive. I’m sure you care about the male suicide crisis but also completely undermine this situation. Can’t have it both ways

    • @maxfish4770
      @maxfish4770 Pƙed 15 dny

      @peenweinerstein9968 it gets used as an excuse everyday, it was wrestling, gtfo

  • @joshloreto2676
    @joshloreto2676 Pƙed 16 dny +36

    Topine, buggest sook in nrl history

    • @ThurstonWatt
      @ThurstonWatt Pƙed 16 dny +7

      as opposed to you, not a part of NRL history at all, just very brave on CZcams

    • @Flobastino241
      @Flobastino241 Pƙed 16 dny +9

      @@ThurstonWattlmfao. Topine is part of nrl history alright. Not the history he wants though hahah . And also the irony in your comment calling out soemone on the internet. On the internet 😂😂

    • @Matt_Rides
      @Matt_Rides Pƙed 16 dny +5

      Right up there with Ezra Mam. What's happened to this generation?

    • @dbo4506
      @dbo4506 Pƙed 16 dny

      @@ThurstonWatt tbf Topine isn’t part of the NRL either 👋

    • @imalwaysright
      @imalwaysright Pƙed 16 dny +1

      @@Matt_Ridesracists always looking for an angle. Ezra living rent free.

  • @ajm82
    @ajm82 Pƙed 16 dny

    Joey said he doesn't know Jackson as a player...lol
    That's concerning because isn't he a rugby league tv analyst?
    Sounds like he nor the shows producers prepare themselves enough before going live đŸ€ŠđŸŸâ€â™‚ïž

  • @Paul-ik8fm
    @Paul-ik8fm Pƙed 16 dny +1

    Its obvious he realizes he isn't going to make it in the nrl because he hasn't got the skill and mental fortitude, and is taking the easy way and suing. Very sad he has to take the role of a victim.

  • @stephenpalmer1099
    @stephenpalmer1099 Pƙed 15 dny

    If I turn up late for work I get fired.

  • @berniemaibom214
    @berniemaibom214 Pƙed 15 dny

    Couple of tins of harden the Fup

  • @RitchButch
    @RitchButch Pƙed 16 dny +1

    If that was Andrew John son I'll bet he will want to take the bulldog to court we need to adapt with time wat happen here abuse of power

  • @joshdunn2372
    @joshdunn2372 Pƙed 16 dny +2

    Has any one here seen a crew of fob form workers 
. If One of their boys turn up late they have to run the gauntlet straight out of the alimak 😂😂😂

    • @maxfish4770
      @maxfish4770 Pƙed 16 dny

      Yeah pure gold 😂 my old boss used to send you home and don't bother tomorrow either, no work no pay, only happened once

  • @damowantswealth
    @damowantswealth Pƙed 10 dny

    Some of this sounds like hazing no?

  • @papaluskask999
    @papaluskask999 Pƙed 15 dny

    If show up late work too many times at ANY JOB you'll be SACKED 😂

  • @bencostanzo2062
    @bencostanzo2062 Pƙed 15 dny

    Lady in red 😍

  • @difdaf436
    @difdaf436 Pƙed 16 dny +2

    I think this highlights the problem with society in general and the way it’s heading.. I won’t elaborate but if you agree with me you will know what I’m saying..

  • @mr.savage6671
    @mr.savage6671 Pƙed 16 dny

    No one likes to feel humiliated in front of anyone especially mates and colleagues. It sucks that he feels that way but at the end of that you make 5 x more than average person, it’s hard to feel completely sorry for him.

  • @sachad964
    @sachad964 Pƙed 16 dny

    you wouldnt ask someone that works in a office to wrestle 30 people but they do that for a job so thats fine

    • @peenweinerstein9968
      @peenweinerstein9968 Pƙed 16 dny

      Law doesn’t care what your job is, the punishment unlawful regardless.

  • @aussiejon6317
    @aussiejon6317 Pƙed 13 dny

    Wrestlers are forced to play rugby league if late 😂

  • @sachad964
    @sachad964 Pƙed 16 dny

    10 minutes early, is early, 5 minutes early is on time, on time is late and late you better have called in and informed them your arriving late, worst jobs for for arriving late

  • @graemehuia5964
    @graemehuia5964 Pƙed 16 dny

    Punish me I'll sing a song naked.

  • @anthonyc4812
    @anthonyc4812 Pƙed 16 dny +9

    Imagine wrestling 5 NRL players in a row. Now try 30. How the fck does this improve his football. All the keyboard heros are kidding themselves.

    • @callanthomas3033
      @callanthomas3033 Pƙed 16 dny +1

      Go watch rugby union

    • @maxfish4770
      @maxfish4770 Pƙed 16 dny

      Who said its about improving football. He had one job, turn up on time. Everything else is done for them

    • @michaellarkin8049
      @michaellarkin8049 Pƙed 16 dny +1

      Dont join the military mate

    • @anthonyc4812
      @anthonyc4812 Pƙed 15 dny

      @@michaellarkin8049 why would I want to ?

    • @michaellarkin8049
      @michaellarkin8049 Pƙed 15 dny

      Sorry, shouldve elaborated- this kind of activity is done often in martial arts, military etc as it promotes physical and mentssl enduranced required for high physicality professions (like NRL) and other contact sports.

  • @user-lm2wz5qf5o
    @user-lm2wz5qf5o Pƙed 16 dny +15

    Why is Australia turning into the most over sensitive country since Canada. Embarrassing move by this player!

    • @rileyedwardsfilms
      @rileyedwardsfilms Pƙed 16 dny

      We are deffiantly not ahaha, did you listen to the panel talk about it?

    • @imalwaysright
      @imalwaysright Pƙed 16 dny

      Canada is one of the best countries in the world. The world could learn from them

    • @user-lm2wz5qf5o
      @user-lm2wz5qf5o Pƙed 16 dny

      @@imalwaysright that’s a great joke have you anymore. The most woke society under the trynny of Trudeau