R422B Conversion with Capacity Measurement

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  • čas přidán 13. 09. 2024

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  • @aircooledtx
    @aircooledtx Před 7 lety +3

    Nice conversion to R422B. Also nice drill out on orifice.. Thx for sharing knowledge.

  • @guitarhvac
    @guitarhvac Před 6 lety

    Out of all the good techs on CZcams you impress me the most. I'm not a big commenter, but I had to say that. Lol.

    • @NathansHVAC
      @NathansHVAC  Před 6 lety

      guitarhvac thanks. I'm at the age where I can fix up anything. But that just means I have a lot of junk. I'll try to get some more videos out. I have some on my camera now.

  • @rodneythornhill9526
    @rodneythornhill9526 Před 6 lety +1

    Nice job man. I have never drilled a piston or used one with a larger bore and it's always works fine.

  • @dallas69
    @dallas69 Před 4 lety +1

    No
    Converting a R22 system to R407c
    1) I read 95% polyolester oil (POE) and 5% mineral (old R22 oil) is OK.
    2) POE oil is hygroscopic that means the oil should be pumped in and the oil can should not be opened to the air.
    But great work this is almost unknown by local Hvac companies here in DFW Thank You
    As a Hvac engineer
    Open compressor via removing the valve stem.
    Insert a rubber tube down to the bottom of the compressor
    Suck out 95% the old R22 mineral oil.
    Pump in new POE oil
    Re install valve stem.
    Purge with dry N2.
    Vac the system
    Charge with R407c.
    Pulling the compressor is not necessary.
    The above is a really Low cost Fast way to go from expensive obsolete R22 to low cost R407c

  • @AaronBenyamin
    @AaronBenyamin Před 9 dny

    Lot of knowledge

  • @titosuave123
    @titosuave123 Před 5 lety +1

    Good job. I have been using 44b and it's being working good for me

  • @daddygc871
    @daddygc871 Před 4 lety

    This guy knows his stuff

  • @VeryPersian
    @VeryPersian Před 7 lety +1

    I never thought about drilling a piston.

  • @youarethecreator1
    @youarethecreator1 Před 5 lety +4

    Great video. But after going to all that trouble, new evaporator coil, new filter drier and all the other work, wouldn't you be doing a better service to the customer by just installing a new 410a condenser and coil that comes with a warranty?

    • @zachosborne6577
      @zachosborne6577 Před rokem

      Cannot force someone to buy 410A equipment. Retrofit is considerably cheaper.

    • @youarethecreator1
      @youarethecreator1 Před rokem +1

      @@zachosborne6577 How much cheaper? How is it cheaper long term? What’s the warranty on a retrofit? How old is the unit? Appreciate your comment kid but when that equipment fails in 5 years or less your customer is going to be pissed at you and your company. Now if the customer chooses to go the retrofit route fine. It’s just not what I would recommend or feel good about.

    • @zachosborne6577
      @zachosborne6577 Před rokem

      Yes cheaper, don’t try to insult me dick weed. A retrofit is around $1100 and a new system is around $8l-$12k. It’s considerably cheaper and if the person doesn’t have the money to replace it’s a very good investment if you want to be comfortable. You sound like an ass.

  • @salutegreatness2791
    @salutegreatness2791 Před 3 lety +1

    Nathan, Can you do a video on your evacuation tree setup? I would like to make one that helps me with evacuation times.

    • @NathansHVAC
      @NathansHVAC  Před 3 lety +2

      I brazed a nice tree on top of my robinair. I had to use silver solder white flux for the brass. However, my dream setup is that Navac vaccume pumps that already have a tree and a built in micron gauge. The main point to running a good vacuum setup is using 3/8 hoses without valve cores. I just fill to 25 psi and "hot install" the cores under positive pressure after finishing vacuuming. Most people use core removal tools. However, those are sources for leaks and restrictions. I also put the micron gauge right on top of the tree and usually vacuum to 80 microns with a tripple evacuation. I sweep with refrigerant in between the vacuums. Total time is usually 30 minutes.

    • @thecurious6721
      @thecurious6721 Před rokem

      ​@@NathansHVAC could you show how you do "hot install". Thanks for the great tips, always learn something new on your channel 🙏👍

  • @UlisesPalacios
    @UlisesPalacios Před 7 lety

    Interesting. I would move that micron gauge to a valve core tool not at the pump that way you don't have to go by time and do a decay test

  • @emilfalck5470
    @emilfalck5470 Před 7 lety

    Thank you that ginius

  • @ddcws1
    @ddcws1 Před 2 lety

    Looking at McMaster for the drill bits is there a specific kind to get. What about the room you used to measure them where can you get that from?

  • @aaronclark1599
    @aaronclark1599 Před 2 lety

    Do you not have to change the oil with 422B

  • @MegaFlyman9
    @MegaFlyman9 Před 4 lety

    Nathan why did you change the schrader valves? Great video!

    • @NathansHVAC
      @NathansHVAC  Před 4 lety

      I dont usually. The factory recommends though because r22 is absorbed by the neoprene and will have a different wear pattern.

  • @lensnow8957
    @lensnow8957 Před 2 lety

    Did you use 80% of the factory charge of R22? Do you remember? It seems to be the norm in some conversions.

    • @OnceShy_TwiceBitten
      @OnceShy_TwiceBitten Před rokem

      So you use less of r422b than r22? If I have a 10.5 lb system would I put 80% of that? What happens if I have someone doing it and they put in the full 10.5 of the r422b? (explosion)

  • @00duce84
    @00duce84 Před 4 lety

    What part of Maryland, I might need your help.

  • @theairconditioningguy
    @theairconditioningguy Před 7 lety

    Great info! How did you come up with the piston size?

    • @NathansHVAC
      @NathansHVAC  Před 7 lety

      The enlarged piston size compensates for the increased mass flow rate. Only R407c has identical flow rate. All the other drop in require more flow, and thus are larger hole. it is all in the EPA document. The 10% diameter size is a close approximation to the 20% mass flow increase. www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/documents/Choosing_Right_R22_Retrofit.pdf

  • @OnceShy_TwiceBitten
    @OnceShy_TwiceBitten Před rokem

    is doing a capacity measurement required?? if I have a 5 ton system with 10.5 lbs would I just replace the compressor (I need a new one) and stick in r422b) instead?

    • @NathansHVAC
      @NathansHVAC  Před rokem

      That is fine. You won't notice 5% capacity change.

  • @Guyhakverdi
    @Guyhakverdi Před 7 lety +1

    Nice job dude!! Would compressor get damaged by adding 422B on top of 22 ? Does it just lose 10% capacity? I understand it is against the EPA codes. I am just asking curiosity. Thanks for sharing your work. Look forward to seeing more videos.

    • @mattmck88
      @mattmck88 Před 6 lety

      Not recommended to mix any refrigerants. All guidelines say to remove existing R-22 from system during retrofit.

    • @zachosborne6577
      @zachosborne6577 Před rokem

      You can and it works short term. I’ve been told mixing the refrigerant will cause them to breakdown over time.

  • @jiangting2548
    @jiangting2548 Před 3 lety

    I heat pump system r22 is r422b best fit? Thx

  • @douglasbrewton1251
    @douglasbrewton1251 Před 3 lety

    Is r 422b capatible with nu22b

  • @Vipertag
    @Vipertag Před rokem

    How is a 66 piston size 10% over 0.059 size piston if this is a 2ton system? Would it not be a 0.0649?

    • @NathansHVAC
      @NathansHVAC  Před rokem

      Flow is 10%. Flow is the area of the hole. Also, a piston size chart will show 66 at 28,000 btu and 59 at 24,000 btu for r22.

    • @Vipertag
      @Vipertag Před rokem

      @@NathansHVAC So i still dont understand where are you getting your 10% bigger piston size info? what math are you using?

  • @zachosborne6577
    @zachosborne6577 Před rokem

    I work in hvac. I have two questions, what is up with drilling our bore hole? I get that it’s to increase flow through evaporator but how do you determine the bit size to drill with and couldn’t you just replace it with a larger orifice instead of drilling?
    Second question, what if it is a thermal expansion valve? Put a txv sized for a large tonnage system?

  • @bamch7751
    @bamch7751 Před 2 lety

    Did you add R422B upside down in liquid form?

    • @NathansHVAC
      @NathansHVAC  Před 2 lety

      usually always liquid when the compressor is running. Not too fast though.

  • @waynejohnson7134
    @waynejohnson7134 Před 6 lety

    How did you come up with 10 per cent larger orfice.

    • @NathansHVAC
      @NathansHVAC  Před 6 lety

      Page 17 shows that pretty much all the drop in substitutes need higher flow rates. czcams.com/users/redirect?v=npyYvT2Z1wU&event=video_description&redir_token=0EYb-CGpuWMtd4_Zh8AmwpWveRZ8MTUzNDIxODU4NkAxNTM0MTMyMTg2&q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.epa.gov%2Fsites%2Fproduction%2Ffiles%2Fdocuments%2FChoosing_Right_R22_Retrofit.pdf

  • @robbypowell954
    @robbypowell954 Před 7 lety

    Your thoughts R427A or R422B? Any oil change required with either? Thanks

    • @NathansHVAC
      @NathansHVAC  Před 7 lety +2

      There are so many blends out there. It really doesn't matter which one you use. Just make sure to match the oil. If the blend requires POE oil, make sure you have at least 20% or more POE oil in the system. R427A requires POE. All the blends that have R600a (butane) will work with mineral oil. The small amount of butane will bring the oil back. This EPA document compares all the refrigerant. I have a video on R407c and R422B. I like both of them. www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/documents/Choosing_Right_R22_Retrofit.pdf

    • @mattmck88
      @mattmck88 Před 6 lety

      Nathans already answered, biggest difference is 427A needs POE the majority of the time, especially with systems that have a vertical rise in the line set.

    • @thecurious6721
      @thecurious6721 Před rokem

      ​@@NathansHVAC where did you learn all that? 😊

  • @its255am
    @its255am Před 5 lety

    Isnt it cheaper to just replace the ac as well?

    • @its255am
      @its255am Před 5 lety

      And way less time and labor?

    • @NathansHVAC
      @NathansHVAC  Před 5 lety

      They all eventually get replaced.

    • @doddgarger6806
      @doddgarger6806 Před 4 lety

      Than to replace the refrigerant? Seriously?

  • @mc8ird
    @mc8ird Před 7 lety +1

    Any chance you'd post a link to that spreadsheet file?

  • @faisalhashmat250
    @faisalhashmat250 Před 6 lety

    Thanks but l am not see psig gas pussir and no need oil chang good place show psig purassir