Take your learning beyond this video with Brilliant! Use my link brilliant.org/DarylTalksGames/ to get 20% off the annual premium subscription. So I told him, "Hey, since Silksong ain't ever coming out, I'm just gonna pretend I've never played Hollow Knight and then play it again since it's been over 5 years" 🤷♂
there are certain substances that affect memory, ket is a harmless one that can be leveraged over time to edit memory but there are also other rare compounds i expect are only available to 'agencys' and are also used in labs where they might need 2 rats 1 with a broken memory to compare in an experiment so these things do really exist and they cause permanent instant effects, one of them totally stops you forming new memories i expect thers a load more related compounds with varying effects too thats just the one i know about from documentation i read
@@marpinek8592 If I were to describe what does this game look for me now it's some kind of platformer with a fighting mechanics but I guess I shall try. Sooner or later
Trying to manipulate your memory is a dangerous game. I used music to help me remember the books we had to read for high school English;-- 12 years later and I still think about a Romanian immigrant boy growing up on a farm outside of Melbourne whenever I listen to Dance Gavin Dance
that's hilarious lmao, it feels like whenever I have a thought I really don't want to remember or associate with my experiences it always sticks in my brain. However, my crowning achievement is successfully forgetting a cringy thing I said on Dragon City within a couple hours.
Can confirm that leaving a game to rest for +10 years and coming back to it feels very magical. You forget so many details it might as well be a blind playthrough. Great video Daryl :D
Yeah truly, I haven't had the opportunity to do that myself, but it sounds amazing. Because playing any game is not about the main story and gameplay (at least when revisiting it), it's about the small details that make you love the game.
I do the same thing. I hear people say they wish to play a game for the first time and I am like “just wait a couple years and you will forget all the small details.”
@Sir_lacranIf you haven't done a Calamity playthrough yet it feels like playing the game for the first time again. I did a playthrough with friends a few years ago and the rogue class is incredibly fun.
Look into the substances they use in lab experiments to cause memory loss 😉(ther used for example to stop a rat learning the maze) chemistry is mad, worrying whats possible with certain chems especially when you consider the morality of certain agencies
If you give yourself head trauma you’ve gotta be good at it, lest you forget something unintended. As usual the best way to improve is through practice. So best of luck with those injuries
@@benayers8622those drugs just cause temporary anterograde amnesia though , they temporalily disrupt the creation of new memories . It's just like blacking out after drinking too much . The memories before the dose remain intact
@@benayers8622they only cause temporary anterograde amnesia . They disrupt the process of the creation of new memories only while the agent is present, so the memories before the introduction of the agent remain intact. Like when you black out after getting too drunk.
Mine: Minecraft I've never actually had a blind playthrough, which is horribly depressing, because the way I found out about minecraft was through yt vids, And it was a loooong time after that, so by the time I actually played, I pretty much knew everything about it alrdy.
I have memory loss from a brain injury and overdose. The silver lining to that is sometimes when I go through my backlog of played games, it really is like I'm playing the game for the first time again
I always forget games the only issue I have is that when I see the game again, all the memories flood back like those Bee Movie videos where it speeds up every time they say a word with the letter B
This is an interesting video. Its almost like the monkey's paw "I wish I could experience this game for the first time again, forget it, and fall in love with it again" and the answer is "ok, make sure you dont get attached, and you'll forget." Which is fascinating. Because if you love something you wont forget it, but you'll in a sense, want to. But if you try to you cant really love it as much.
The better answer is to indulge with a game as much as you desire the first time, but then dont revisit it for a good long while. Time will still do its thing, it just takes a bit longer. And eventually, revisiting a game will absolutely feel quite fresh again. Maybe never exactly like the first time, but fresh enough to fall in love again. Even better if you can do something new in the game, like playing a different build, making different story choices, playing on a higher difficulty or using some self-imposed challenges, and of course MODS where applicable.
I don't agree on the matter of love. You can't forget a thing and your emotions, they stay, otherwise why replay later? It's not the feelings are cleaned with time, but just the exact details of that past experience are supposed to fade. Yes, you know the plot. Yes, you remember the combos. But you're doing it again and having fun exploring it deeper than at the first time.
I agree with this idea. If you were to try the original steps in this video, to rush through the game and then try to block it out, would you ever truly fall in love with it in the first place?
I absolutely loved the conclusion to this video (great work like always!). To intentinally forget a game is to rush it, to not think about it, to not let it impact other aspects of your life, to not enjoy it as much, the ultimate catch... To forget something, you need to make it less special, and that is a price I'm not willing to pay.
My dad played more than 10 playthroughs of Demon Souls back when it came out. When the remake released, he could remember every detail. He might have forgotten certain things, but I watched him play his "first" playthrough of the remake and he knew exactly how to do some of the most convoluted things in that game. When I got around to playing it 2 years later, he told me about the most optimal route if I were to platinum the game.
Muscle memory is another interesting detail. I've replayed many games at varying lengths of time. Sometimes it takes me a while to get used to the controls again and build up my reaction time to the environment as would be expected, and other times it's like I haven't taken a day off since I'd played last. Sometimes it depends on how much I'm playing another game at the moment and how different the controls are, but sometimes that doesn't even matter and it genuinely shocks me how easy it is to get back into an old game.
@@Amins88 Muscle memory is so funny, I distinctly remember playing satisfactory with someone who had never played it before after I hadnt played it for over a year. They asked me how to open the build menu and I had no idea, except that I loaded into the game not 10 seconds later and was instantly able to open the build menu based on muscle memory alone. I didnt know I knew the answer but my hands did.
@@BagelBoi4000 Even worse when you've remapped the controls to your preferences at that time in your life. It may or may not match up to how you prefer them on a replay, and certainly wouldn't match someone who's playing for the first time. Trying to remember how I like my controls mapped on a replay is another struggle sometimes.
I have uttered that phrase "how I wish I could forget this game", so I was very eager to watch this video. As the video progressed I started remembering all these magical moments, but then I had this realisation that I don't want to forget them. These moments are so beautiful to me, because they happened for the first time. It was going into them blindly without expectations that cemented themselves as core memories. Instead of looking into the past, I look towards a future where new games will become new core memories. I am very happy we kinda came to same conlusion at the end. So thank you Daryl. Your videos often bring real tears in my eyes. Your passion shines so bright, it makes me emotional :D.
see my situation is not as simple because I watched some random lets play of undertale and completely spoiled myself on it before ever playing it when I was like 9 years old and now the game dominates about 50% of my mindscape so I can't forget it or ever get a blind playthrough.
I'm happy you course-corrected at the end. I was thinking; I want to engage with the stuff I love, not just rush through it and stash it away in some dusty corner, only to revisit it years later. I really appreciated how you ended with the part about sharing-one of the greatest joys in my life is sharing my passion for video games with others, and I know it's the same for you. I really enjoyed this one-thanks!
As much as I'd love to re-experience some of my favorite games again for the first time... I don't want to give up the years of reflection upon them, the friends I've made through them, and the ways they've changed me. And besides, there's just as much to be said about that second playthrough when you pick up on the details and clues you missed the first time around.
This. It is nice to experience something like it's your first time again if you just haven't thought about it in a long time for whatever reason, but min-maxing forgettability to do that intentionally just feels... wrong. I'd rather develop a deeper appreciation of the things I love even if that means I'll never get to experience them the first time again unless I get a brain injury.
I honestly would say that isn't "course correction" but just doing a 180. There's not anything wrong (or right) with taking either approach. Personally, I lean more toward avoiding the "play through the game and then avoid drowning yourself in content about it to milk the experience" mentality, and more toward "play the game and then turn my attention toward new experiences, and then revisit the game years later and have it be a semi-new but familiar experience again". There are way more excellent games to play in life than there is time to do it, anyway. Exception on that would be "live service" games, where it is a constantly evolving experience or story --- it makes sense to immerse yourself in content surrounding those games, since community is a large part of the experience and there will always be something new to the game regardless.
I do both really. I like to indulge and take my time with a game, then read/watch some stuff about it afterwards, but then.....I will actually shelve it for like 4-5+ years before revisiting it. And I further try and make a new playthrough fresh by playing a higher difficulty or using mods or something so it's not just revisiting memories, but also creating new ones. Heck, even with something like Tears of the Kingdom, I purposefully staved off my itch to replay Breath of the Wild in the leadup in order to mitigate what I knew was gonna be a heavily reused map. And it worked! I loved it, whereas I'm pretty sure if I replayed BotW immediately leading up to it, it'd probably have dampened my enthusiasm.
I'm so glad for that final section because I was SO angry at the thought of doing something like those instructions - not allowing yourself to enjoy and cherish the very recent memories of something you loved, especially knowing how GOOD it is to be into a fresh new game, learning all the little tidbits of lore you missed, catching up on fanart, etc. I wouldn't trade that for the world, and I'm very glad you agree
i like to see people playing it for the first time too, since you emphasize with the person first time experience and get a fraction of your original feeling too
as long as the person that played it already shuts the fuck up. the amount of times I want to point something cool out to a friend but I know it'll spoil some of the magic of experiencing it
@@terrace15 It's like a book club. You can share an experience with not only the video producer, but the commentors and maybe learn new details about something you hadn't noticed before. Never understood how people can cherry-pick the few bad actors to disparage the entire genre.
This is why I love to watch blind Lets Plays of rpgs like Undertale or Omori or ISAT. You can't really experience it for the first time twice, but it's a pretty close second. Probably less effective for more action-heavy genres though.
I have a flashbulb memory. Sepetmber, 2019. We were shopping at a target. It was almost 6 pm, and i had been on my phone most of the day due to bordem. I was keeping up on the news of something that was taking over the internet with its presence. In fact, I was watching an emergency live recording detailing further news. And then it happened. Like a shock to my entire core, it appeared on screen with no warning, and i was filled with such incredible emotion i had never felt before. I knew I had to tell my sibiling the news, but we had splitten up to go explore the different sections. I was sitting at the starbucks in the front entrance of the Target, and i didnt want to run across the building making a scene. So I waited, anxiously, unable to keep still. Finally, two minutes later they arrived. I grabbed them by the shoulders and exclaimed the news, not loud enough to shock the passerbys. "Sans is in smash"
Oh my god, I actually remember that. I was at school, in my Carpentry class. We were on lunch time, so I decided to watch the Smash Direct as I ate my lunch. And there it was. I actually freaked out when it happened. Another Flashbulb memory of mine was when I found out Splatoon 3 was announced. I missed out the Nintendo Direct completely, and a friend who's also a big Splatoon fan literally pinged me on Discord with just 🦑, then after my confused answer, replied with 🔫🦑. I immediately realized, and straight-up watched the direct, having an idea of what he was talking about. I would've never guessed just how much that moment would mark me.
Not smash but my flashbulb memory was when I first got to play RW downpour I heard about it the minute it released at like 9:30 then when I finally got a chance, at 11:45 (yes I remember the exact minute that’s because it was a lunch break) I never was so happy to play a game before now I need to choose between brain damage or waiting for a year or two
I genuinely thought the "play it with someone new" was going to be the first answer - I didn't expect all the research so that's some amazing work my guy
Bro literally made the argument for being a parent. Trust me, if you want to experience any book, movie, or game blind again? Have kids. You get to do it with each kid. And it's amazing. In fact, what happens is those amazing memories you have of the thing get brought back to the surface and then they get recontextualized by your kids experience. You get to watch and enjoy them have all those amazing moments you once had AND you get to feel them again because being a parent breaks your brain in that way and lets feel and see things that you simply can't access on your own. And when it's one of those stories or songs or whatever that means a lot to you and you get to see your kid fall in love with the same thing for similar reasons, it's hard to describe how good that feels unless you've experienced it. I'd say this is double or triple true for those of us that are really nerdy and grew up with especially esoteric interests that the rest of our family didn't jive with. But yeah I 100% agree with the conclusion. Don't try to intentionally forget. Enjoy life. Move on to other stuff. And if you get the chance to experience that blind playthrough through someone else's eyes (especially your own kids) embrace that fully!
@@ferretappreciator having done both, I can assure you that nothing compares to having a kid. But sharing with a friend is a nice experience too. It's not the same though. Not even comparable. With a kid you really DO feel those feelings all over again, but with extra details. In many ways it's MORE magical than your first time. Trust me, it's worth it. For every downside to being a parent, the upsides dwarf them, and this is definitely one of those things.
“Seal in the Ignorance” would be a dope ass slogan for Outer Wilds or Tunic. I would sell my left kidney to play those games blind for the first time again.
I almost agree. But then animal well came out and I barely remember Fez now so I guess I'd rather comfortably store my kidneys for emergencies and enjoy new games while I forget gems
Hmm, well, you see.. your left kidney is no bueno. If I feel generous, I'll allow you to forget how to eat the last layer of lasagna in Tunic for that, but that's as high as I can go. Your right kidney would be much more valuable, but if you want the premium deal, you'd have to sell your spleen. Oddly gory jokes aside, I just finished Outer Wilds +DLC for the first time literally today! That was fun, but now I don't know what to do with myself...
I appreciate the conclusion you give us at the end. For me, I can't treat video games like they're disposable. As corny as it sounds, they are a journey not a destination. A good game is one you can't stop thinking about where you need to hear what others are saying about it. Thanks for telling us how to forget a game, but reminding us that we shouldn't want to.
I've been thinking about this ever since I finished Outer Wilds. What I've realized is "Play like it's your first time." Don't rely on what you learned while playing the game. Play as if you don't already know everything and just enjoy the moment. Realistically, you won't remember every little detail after taking a break from the game. Do I remember how to beat Outer Wilds? Yes. Do I remember how to solve every puzzle? Every piece of dialogue? Every character? I do not. And odds are neither do you.
I’m so mad because I went into Undertale knowing that it would be emotionally impactful, but I messed up the pacifist route and I had to look up where I messed up which resulted in me accidentally getting spoilers for the ending and I had to reset my save file and play through everything again. Apathetically skipping all the jokes I found hilarious the first time was so soul-crushing, and although the ending still hit really hard when I saw it for myself I couldn’t help but ruminate on how hard it could’ve hit if I didn’t know that it was going to happen. This did give me the almost unique experience later though, of learning more about Flowey’s lore and going “WAIT DID I COMMIT A FLOWEY?” although I probably would’ve gotten that same revelation had I ever done a blind genocide playthrough so it isn’t really that special.
I have a few thoughts on this... I really like to preserve amazing gaming memories that I experience for the first time. When I'm playing a video game for the first time and I can sort of tell that I'm having a gaming core memory I try to catch myself in the moment and practice real mindfulness. I focus on my physical and emotional sensations in that moment and it can help me remember those moments more vividly. I remember how scared and confused I felt when I accidentally fell into deep nest for the first time. I remember the healing and satisfying feeling of climbing the last leg of the mountain in Celeste. I remember the feeling of having the rug pulled out from under me when I meandered to Eventide for the first time but the absolute triumph of having defeated the henox with my very last arrow. It's almost like lucid dreaming. You have to catch yourself in the moment and then carefully "scribe" the whole experience in your mind while its happening. Alternatively, I've found that going back to old familiar games can be amazing if you have the opportunity to experience them in a new way. Its the same idea of watching someone else play the game for the first time. Last year I ended up with a very bad cold and to help myself feel better I booted up OoT. A game I love but have actually only played all the way through only 3 times before. The experience of playing something nostalgic and familiar while I had semi delirious sick brain was actually really special. It felt like a heating pad for my heart while I was slowly getting better. In the end I think I'm almost more fond of how I felt during that 4th OoT play through than the first time I ever played it. Idk what this means exactly but yeah. The first time you play a game doesn't always have to be the best time you play it, i guess.
Moments in gaming i would like to play again blind: - Coming down from the great plateau in Zelda BOTW - Hearing the song of the City of Tears as I enter in it in Hollow Knight - Hearing "Compass" as I ride towards my family in RDR 1 - Beating Ganon for the first time in Zelda OOT
City of Tears is such a wonderful song, but for me the song I want to hear for the first time again is Resting Grounds, it simply brings me a unique type of calm I don't get anywhere else.
Hallow knight and the city of tears Zelda BOTW and stepping out of the cave NieR automata and the city of Salt Nier Replicant and entering The forest of lost sleep And God of War, entering Jotunheim. All moments that I just... man.
For me, it was so many things in Octopath Traveler 2 - finding the demo on the Eshop, watching ZERO reviews or marketing for the game, and falling in love more and more after being hooked by Osvald's story. Highlights include: - Building teams with fun items - "Fighting" Harvey for the first time and unlocking the One True Magic (hint: it wasn't in that order!) - Casually oneshotting earlygame bosses with Osvald (magic damage is hilariously buffable) - Clutching my way through multiple hard optional encounters on the reserve party - Provoke Beasts (if you know, you know) - Making a build for the reserve party, only to find that the final boss needs you to use every character in the game (yippee!) - Lagging the game by healing all 8 characters at once - Being pleasantly surprised by Partitio's campaign - Farming money by crafting stupidly strong builds - Generally unlocking the funny Support Skills
That one scene in the original FF7. You know the one. I was 13 years old, had loved Final Fantasy since the NES days, and was absolutely riveted. I had no idea what was coming. And then the floor dropped out from beneath my feet, and it felt like the air had been pressed from my lungs after a cannonball hit me in the gut. I remember setting the controller down. I remember feeling entirely disoriented, sure I misunderstood, and then just staring at the screen trying to make sense of it. Never before or since has a scene in a game made me feel that strongly. I have a lot of wonderful memories of games, but none of them hold a candle to that moment.
1:41 is Alan Wake 2 1:51 is Metaphor: ReFantazio 2:29 is also Elden Ring 2:49 is also Ghost of Tsushima 5:46 is also Control 6:39 is one of the Xenoblade games based on the Nopons (the fluffy, big-eared things) 7:46 is also RE4 Remake 7:53 is Death's Door 9:03 is also Alan Wake 2 9:37 is also Ghost of Tsushima 9:44 is FF XIII 9:56 is also Metroid Dread 10:00 is DMCV 10:01 is also Alan Wake 2 10:03 is Outer Wilds 21:34 is also Outer Wilds Thank you very much for the list!
The downside to taking all these steps to forgetting a game is that you will likely not have the same level of fondness afterwards, less desire to replay for the first time again.
Loved this! Helped contextualize some weird memory glitches I have with Portal 2. Played Portal 2 to death way back during the PSN outage in 2011 since nothing else worked. Replayed it a few months ago and I practically have the campaign memorized - it’s barely fun anymore. Then I tried to co-op campaign again… and it was like I’d never seen it before. Played it just as much, but remembered it less, assumably because it wasn’t associated with the outage. Such a weird feeling to only recognize half of a game you’ve played.
@@LambHoot Right?? Happened to me a bit when I was playing the Paper Mario remake, 3-4 times I’ve been through the entire game growing up. A decade passes and now some of the dialogue felt so foreign haha. It’s encouraging that even when something is that deeply ingrained, it can still feel almost like new with enough time.
@@DarylTalksGames well, to be completely fair on that example, the ttyd remake did have some script changes, the 2 most notable of which even to the outside world of waiting fans who havent picked it up yet is the catcalling scene during the prologue that was immediately put under a microscope when included in the trailers and re-canonizing vivian's trans-ness which was originally only in the Japanese version, but was well known trivia for the game elsewhere. With that context, the dialogue feeling forign might just be because it IS! "Three Shadows"? what are you talking about, it has and always will be "Shadow Sirens" to me. XD
Hollow Knight is like the one game that is worse on your first playthrough. I wouldn't wanna play it blind again. My favorite game that i both wish i could play blind again but also don't want to forget is Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Explorers of Sky. That game literally has a song named "Don't ever forget".
Getting lost is part of the experience in Hollow Knight. Exactly as cornifer put it: "Getting lost and finding one's way again is a joy like no other."
I really hope that one day, motivation hits me to play through PMD: Explorers of Sky. I've heard so many good things about it, and I know for a fact that the emotions will hit me like a truck when I eventually get around to playing it.
How to forget a game. Let enough time pass. It's what my brother and I do, and we replay the Myst games every 10 years. It's unfortunate that I will never be able to forget Outer Wilds, though... My favourite game of all.
That does not always help. Like it was already stated in the Video: the more complex the Game, the more you had to Deal with its Systems characters etc, the more you Had to think and memorize, the Harder its going to be to forgett about it
@@heikesiegl2640 as I said, Outer Wilds, I can never forget. The Myst games due to being mostly puzzles, after a decade they feel as fresh as the first time. So yeah, it depends on the game.
The ending monologue minda reminds me of that line from jurassic park: We're so caught up in wether or not we could, we didnt think about wether or not we should.
Absolutely this. There are way too many excellent games -- and not enough time in life to play them all even if it's all you did in life -- to do anything else. I also think it's good practice to avoid the habit of "play a game and then drown yourself in content about it, milking the experience for dopamine", and instead constantly turn your attention to new experiences.
This is true…I love the saying “if you love something, set it free.” And “don’t cry because it’s over, smile because it happened.” Ultimately, we need to continue to push ourselves out of our comfort zones. We are capable of falling in love with something new.
@@theSato I think there's enough time, I've played almost everything I could ever want to play, I have like 40 more games in backlog and new games that'll come out, but I'm easily beating 60+ games a year right now, so I'm pretty close to that.
There is a specific book series that I read once and declared it to be my Favorite Series of All Time. I recently re-read the entire series for the first time, 7 years later, and it's amazing how much I forgot and how much joy I got out of rediscovering all of the details. Huge swaths of the plot were lost to me, and I got to re experience them like they were new. And at the end, I sobbed like a goddamn baby and it was every bit as emotionally impactful as it was the first time I read it.
For me its a timeline of Play game->play other games in the same genre to change my perspective->grow and change as a person->"oh yeah I remember that game"->replay
That bit about flashbulb memories really means that I'll never be able to replay Outer Wilds again due to how emotional finding my way to the end of the game was, remembering exactly how to get there and finish everything, and the entirety of the game is about figuring out *how* to do that. I'm always going to remember that, so I can never re-experience discovering it.
My own method for replaying a game I've completed, is to forget about early boosts/skips, and play it back just as if you were new. Take in the environments, talk to all the NPCs, take some screenshots
As an avid Outer Wilds fan, this concept obviously grabbed me. As the video went on and you came to the overall conclusion, it occurred to me. The answer you gave, which is to do your best to not think of the game, to remove it from your life, is exactly the reason I can't experience Outer Wilds in the same way again. The answer of "you can get close if you remove yourself from that experience" made me realize that giving up my feelings and lessons from Outer Wilds for even a year isn't worth being able to do it fresh, to me. The ways it changed me are more valuable than getting to do it again.
i always feel like im weird because i almost never replay games or rewatch shows,so whenever i watch someone experience them it feels different and new looking at all the details without needing to absorb them myself
Having done exactly this for movies, books, manga, and games, I know that my personal lower limit is 5 years of no exposure and minimal thinking about it. That's the amount of time where I've forgotten as much as possible about something that I loved so much I thought about it every day for a month or three. So that's what I do with some of the things that I absolutely love. After I've had my time gushing about it for a few weeks, then I set it down, and I say, "No more of this until I don't remember it anymore."
You playing the Unknown sound from the Pokemon Crystal intro made me perk up like it was my sleeper agent activation code. All the memories flooding back for a game I love dearly but havent thought about in a while, some memories you just cant forget, and I think thats awesome
This video was so fascinating to me, but for a completely different reason than probably intended. Those profound feelings I had from a game, or the enjoyment I had while playing it, came from the place I was in when I started it. I don't know if I'd get that same feeling again if I played some of my favourites now, and it scares me to think that some of my favorites could have been just "another game" if I experienced them for the first time at a different point in my life.
The one upside to having a poor memory, I can just let a game sit in my library for up to a few years and forget most of it. Some things I won’t forget, but I can forget the smaller details, and in a game like Outer Wilds that’s what I’ll want to forget. Did this with Subnautica a couple months ago, forgot most of the map, where monsters were, most of the stuff that made the game feel a little too practiced for me. * Keeping in mind this was a game that I engaged with a ton after I first played it, knew the map like the back of my hand, etc. and that I always thought about and watched videos about even in the space between. Thats where the bad memory power comes in.
In 2018 I saw a niche movie called Mune which I enjoyed greatly. It even affected my own art style despite only watching it once. Last month I randomly recalled it while choosing what to watch for VR movie night with friends. I was the only one who had seen it before, but it really did feel fresh for all of us.
There's an achievement for the original "The Stanley Parable" where you only obtain it if you don't boot up the game again for 5 years. I played the game sometime before the pandemic and got the achievement a year ago. I did not do a new playtrough of the game; I only remember the normal ending of the game and some of the interesting ones, however I barely know the details and the narrator's lines of dialogue. I didn't play the Deluxe version yet.
The end of the video is the best advice ever, watching my fiancé play BOTW for the first time, finding dragons, running away from guardians, all of it, was almost as magical as it was when i did those things myself. Also i adore your video's they are so well researched and engaging. A reall hilight of any week they come out on.
Man... what I'd give to feel that heavenly orchestra blast my emotions into the stratosphere after landing in Good Egg Galaxy in Mario Galaxy for the first time again...
Just play any other 3D Mario (64, Sunshine, etc.) and return to Galaxy at least a year later. There is a reason that Galaxy’s presentation shines above the rest.
I’m glad the video ended the way it did because as the video went on I realized I didn’t want to forget the great memories I had with my favorite games. I’ll cherish those forever. Ironically, that is essentially the message of Finding Paradise, one of my favorite games I wish I could relive my first time experience with again.
Getting my friends to play games I love blind is honestly 100% my way to vicariously re-experience things. This applies to movies and such, too. When I rewatch/play things myself it always seems to go so fast, like it doesn't take up as much time as it did when I first saw something even if I deliberately take my time with it. I think this is why reaction videos have become so big. We're all yearning for what it feels like to re-experience something we love, or getting a different perspective on it. Seeing someone else's joy or horror or pensiveness on experiencing something for the first time is such a unique way to enjoy a piece of media.
One thing I had to learn is that you can never 100% optimize your life, and of course you can’t re-experience the same thing exactly. However, if enough time had passed and you are kind of a different person, you can find new stuff to appreciate about old favorites in addition to the nostalgia. Happened with man games like OoT and FF9. So don’t look for the exact same experience, but a different experience with the same game or a different game can be just as enriching.
I’ve recently started introducing some of my favorite games to my sister, and watched her go through said games as well. Not only is it fun to help her out to have the best experience in the games, for example if there’s a boss with a specific gimmick you wouldn’t know about if you went in completely blind, but it’s also increased our amount of inside jokes exponentially. Watching someone get just as shocked by twists or hyped by moments of triumph as you is what makes it fun for me, who has been in that position before. It’s like a feeling of validation and nostalgia.
I’ve chased after that feeling a few times. I found a way that makes RPGs feel “new” to me is by engaging heavily in the role playing aspect. I “act” as though I’ve never seen or engaged with something before. It’s seems silly, but when I pick up an item and go “oooh, what’s this?” In my mind, even though I know what it is helps me pick up new details. I’ll reread the description and go “so these mushrooms only grow underground” and the next time I find one I go, “well whaddya know, I’m underground”. Full immersion, full exploration, full role-playing. Once I’m past feeling a bit foolish acting dumb in my own mind it really becomes quite fun. Great video, mate!
I just commented talking about this masterpiece and you did too, great minds think alike 🙏 I'm playing it for the first time right now and Emi's route is the most brilliant work of fiction I've ever read in my life
This video actually came in the perfect timing for me. This past month I finally finished two things that I been meaning to finish ever since I started it. Those being finally finishing watching Frieren that I started November last year and finishing Elden Ring which I started shortly after it came out but never went past the early game cuz I didn't understand the mechanics of the game at the time. I now have finished both and they are now some of my favorites in their respective mediums. Such vivid memories of Frieren and Fern's relationship and Frieren's own past with her master Flamme made cry like a baby with how beautiful it was. The moments of triumphs after defeating Starscourge Radahn in 4 tries was electrifying, finishing Elden Beast knowing that I finally completed my first ever souls game, and besting Malenia, the hardest boss I have ever faced, was some of the best moments of any game I had ever played. So when you said at the end to not forget them, it made me happy cuz as much as I would love to experience blind again, that first experience is something I will treasure for the rest of my life. Plus, who doesn't love thinking about stuff they like LMAO. Great video 🔥
Ugh I been diagnosed with adhd at the age of 5, before TikTok started and suddenly everyone had it. Adhd only effects our working memory(short term memory), soo like forgetting where u put the keys, or names of someone u just meet, adhd doesn’t effect our long term memory, I can still remember everything about my favourite games even if I haven’t played it for years. Soo even if your joking or not can we please stop the adhd is quirky, or mistake adhd for other neurodivergent disorders. Sorry it’s my biggest pet peeve, seeing soo much misinformation about adhd, also forgetting details has nothing to do with adhd since this happens to everyone, proven in this video.
@@yoshitsune5691 I'm not joking, I've had ADHD my entire life, before most social media even existed. I've lived with it for almost 30 years, I think I know how my condition affects me. You are not the ADHD police and do not have the right to tell people what they can and can't share about it. Not sure what TikTok has to do with anything, I've never used it. ADHD affects everyone differently, so you can't invalidate my experience because it annoys you. I didn't say it was quirky, I said it messes my memory up and I can't remember much. This is an experience that a lot of people with it also have. ADHD is a nightmare in every way, I just accept that part as a single positive.
literally my first thought! my cycles of hyperfixation/abandoning the hyperfixation for a new one/rediscovering an old hyperfixation are literally identical to the advice of "play something super quickly and get really invested in it, then leave it on a shelf for two years". like that's just how i experience life lmao
@@yoshitsune5691 yeah what zero said. would also like to add i'm also diagnosed with ADHD and resonate with this video and long term memory issues. i struggle with planning for long-term projects and goals in life because i literally can't envision the future more than like 2 weeks ahead. ADHD, like most mental illnesses and learning disabilities, affects everyone differently and people have unique experiences with it. this is why the diagnostic critera for ADHD was written over several months by multiple medical professionals and approved by many more medical professionals, and not one self-important person on the internet. hope this helps!
@@ellw7830 Lol this is legit, I've been playing the same maybe 20 games and watching a few of my favorite shows on repeat over the years. I never get tired of replays, it's crazy how many times I've forgotten big chunks of a story I've been through multiple times. And fixating on each story's universe for a while before it's on to the next one. Resident Evil has had me in a chokehold for a while now. 😅
The thing, at least for me, is that an experience is truly enjoyable when I share it with someone. Even if is reading forums from 10 years ago discussing a game. Talking about it or hearing the opinion from someone else really makes my experience complete, therefore I don't think that forgetting a game is really meant for me. I enjoy them also when I remember those moments and what other people think too. Still, it was quite an interesting video, will probably watch it in 10 years again for the first time.
That game is Ace Attorney 3 and unless someone can hit me with a hammer just right and give me perfectly selective amnesia, I'll never experience that the same way ever again...
Same but AA1 for me. I've played it so many times, I love it, but I can practically recite the entire dialogue from memory. I can't forget any of the details, to the point where it's hard to enjoy it again. I've only played AA3 twice, I love that one as well. I remember the major plot points, but barely any of the details. I was looking to replay it again soon, so I'm kinda happy I let it rest (aside from the music.)
I played AA1 as a kid and I remember basically nothing except the killers and ending. Meanwhile the double penalty and Kristoph breakdown in AA4 is burned into my soul
i’m worried i’ve never had a game experience like this. i’m fairly young, but i’ve played a lot of games, especially a lot mentioned in this video, but my issue is that i heard about a lot of these games before i had ever played them. plot spoilers, gameplay mechanics, secrets along the way. games have felt special to me, i’ve laughed, i’ve cried, and i’ve yelled at the top of my lungs for little pixels on the screen, but all of those games, whether it was remembering something small or having seen a whole playthrough, feel incomplete in my mind. like i could have cared more if i didn’t know anything. sometimes it’s fun knowing stuff about the game before playing it, that’s why people including me go and replay them anyways, to see what they can do now that they’re essentially doing a new game+ but for their minds. sometimes i want to go through something magical like this on my own, uninterrupted, one impossibly long sitting with no prior knowledge, completely immersed in the worlds presented to me. i don’t want to play games for the first time again. i want to play games for the first time.
What a damn gem of a video, I feel the passion and the insight of psychology pouring out like… like one of your old videos 1 year ago ;) (god I want to replay FE3H under a diff leader now)
I am glad you added this part at the end. I understand the desire to reexperience a game for the first time, but I would never want to forget my time with it. Especially so for Outer Wilds, even if there is nothing that scratches quite the same itch for me (for now at least!). I love feeling emotional, but minmaxing emotional impact for oneself isn't it. Incidentally, I replayed Little Inferno yesterday, last time I played it was like a decade ago. I remember I loved it, but replaying it, its atmosphere and story hit me like a ton of bricks in a way I really didn't expect. I'm the kind of person that's pretty stoic with games to the point that I'm getting frustrated that I don't feel anything usually, but here I was at 3AM sobbing in front of my computer. I think part of that is because I already have memories attached to it, and also because time passing / flying by is one of the themes of the game.
7:40 can 100% confirm. I've watched Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood 4 times now, but it's always over a span of less than a week (12ish episodes a day) and it still feels fresh every time.
Some games are special to me because when I replay them they are like a time capsule of me. I not only remember the game, but where I was when I played it. Even years after I last played them
Thank you Daryl. I think part of it can also be fueled by nostalgic appreciation, where you go through a game/media and you enjoy it for that time, complete it, and lay it aside yourself. I also agree with telling others for your experience with it so you can again live through their blindness, remembering your own, and having a good time from their relatability, their different solutions to the same problem (like them tackling a boss fight or puzzle differently).
This may sound a little weird, as i'm not really an effusive type, but it's been on my mind for quite some time. You're one of the few (seriously, I can count them on the fingers of one hand) creators that get the privilege of me dropping everything I currently do just to watch a new upload. And when I see the announcement that "the video will be uploaded tomorrow" on your socials I get so excited, because I know that I'm in for an emotional and intellectual treat. You make me think about these common things in a way I would've never. When I watch your videos, you always make me go "...huh." several times, and for that I'm grateful. You've found a way to connect the world of science with a wild world of our feelings, that's seemingly is impossible to simply categorise. Honestly, thank you for your work. whenever I get a notification, it's a highlight of my day; it's so inspiring, you've made me think about starting my own thing. Hope you're doing well.
This is why blind playthroughs/observations/interactions from someone else are viewed a lot; they rekindle an experience an once had through someone else, especially ever since the original React channel on CZcams started it all.
... "play it fast and unplug immediately" Buddy, i have adhd and autism. Even if i unplug, im gonna be obsessing over every single thing i can remember about the game for AGES
Sounds like me. Not being able to forget is kind of a curse. Especially if you just happened to only remember the "unimportant" stuff 😂 Unable to make a call for the doctor, but can tell you the whole story of Got in one sitting 😅
Yep. Yesterday I literally rememberd a random song my primary teacher taught us 20 years ago... Words, melody and a silly dance that went with it. Which is fun, but on the other hand when my memory selectively remembers a few lines of a piece I learned and I can't remember the title and composer I'm screwed because half of them are in Latin and have similar texts 😂 so there's no way of remembering more unless I'd call one of the people I used to sing in choir out of the blue and ask them, what's the piece that goes like this?
I experienced this phenomenon when I played Pokémon Blue on the 3DS after not visiting Kanto for nearly a decade. WOW. Things were weird back then but, the game felt like an old friend.
Hey Daryl, I've been following your channel for a long time now, and I just wanted to say how much I appreciate your video essays. Your super in-depth analysis and oddly specific topics really stand out. I've learned so much from your videos and they've helped me appreciate gaming as a whole. Keep up the great work! Edit: The one I'll like to play again would be Persona 3 Reload
OK, I am quite fascinated by how this vid was structured (certainly one of your best I’ve seen). For pretty much the entirety of the video, I was thinking about the many reasons I would NOT want to erase my first experiences with a piece of media, as a lot of those pieces of media have shaped who I was, am, and have been for my nearly 22 years on Earth. Leaving the United States for the first time gave me a better understanding of the massive world we dwell on, my first viewing of The Owl House has helped my childish mindset navigate adulthood during a state of depression and cynicism, and the many games I have played so far (mostly adventure) have encouraged me to discover and explore the world and unknown. If I shove that into a subconscious time capsule, the beauty of those experiences I cannot comprehend until I dig it back out. Like you have said at the end of the video AND in your post-series depression vid, I take what I have acquired from a piece of media or life experience and share it with those blind. I play music without a screen on, I browse memes and fan-art, and I watch others slowly join the fan-club on their first go. Every human being is essentially a history teacher who is capable of documenting significant events and passing the info down to future generations. It’s why the most historically significant games are preserved in museums and exhibits, as future players can understand how special Super Mario Bros. was in the 1980s. Perhaps TOTK and TLOU Part II will soon enter the gaming history books for players 40 years later to look back at. Heck, I’m 21 (younger than the 11 September attacks), and most of the games I play are older than me as well. Anyways, you did a fantastic job putting this interesting concept into a discussion vid. You certainly deserve to rest after this.
As much as I would want to forget and experience a game again for the first time, I think "don't" indeed is the best advice. There are some games that I haven't played or thought about in a long time, in theory becoming as forgotten as possible. But even having forgotten almost everything, playing again is not the same experience. If you try to see it as if it was a whole new experience, you'll just be likely to disappoint yourself. You have a memory of how it was for the first time, and when the wonder of discovery isn't as complete as it was the first time, you start thinking it's just not as good.
Once again you manage to put into words stuff I often think about but never have the time to elaborate on, so they stay in the back of my mind forever, bugging me, so thank you so much for your videos, they help me tremendoulsy! (Also I eagerly await for the Fire Emblem x Bachelor video)
I love vicariously experiencing my favorite games with someone else playing for the first time. You get to share in that joy of discovery with them even though you already know every nook and cranny of that world.
I loved this video. This gives me a framework with which to both describe and frame challenge a question I didn't know I had - "what's the optimal 'cooldown' period on a game you played once and want to play again?" But, the answer is almost a catch-22, it's "as long as you can possibly wait, but there are diminishing returns." So, I'm applying what I learned here not to try to plan to forget a game, but to go back through my games library and see if any of them spark joy - If they do, but it's not been over a year or two, then I might leave that childlike wonder on the vine for when I rediscover it again in a few years.
In my experience, as something of a mediaphile (I am severely handicapped, so I have a lot of free time), I think there's only one way to actually reexperience something. You will never forget something that actually impacts you -- that's... sorta what impact is. But if you come back to the work with a new tool, a new perspective, or a new belief system, you can experience the work in a new way. This can be relatively simple -- even as trivial as going back and consuming womething you enjoyed at an earlier stage in your life. Maybe you find yourself relating to a different character, or maybe you find you completely misunderstood something, or maybe you even just get some of those adult jokes in old cartoons. But you can put deliberate effort into this as well. Consume more media similar to it, and you'll find yourself better able to contextualize the work -- especially if you look at what influenced the work and what works it has influence. Or, go even further: learn the language of the media itself. Study the 12 basic principles of animation; learn how camera angles affect viewer experience; read up on lighting and ambience; etc. (Which, admittedly, you probably already do to some extent if you're watching videos like this). The point being is that the experience of a piece of media is created by the interaction between the audience and the work. And, since the work is never going to change (unless you're, you know, modding Skyrim so hard it becomes The Forgotten City), so you must, instead, change yourself to create a new experience. The person reexperiencing it will be shaped by their first experience with the work but, if you change enough, you might find that you feel you never really experienced the work the first time to begin with. (PS: some works enforce this experience by themselves being informative and transformative. Nobody understands Serial Experiments Lain the first time through, and nobody is the same afterwards either.)
I feel this way about Bloodborne. I got it together with my PS4, and despite having played Dark Souls and Dark Souls 2, I played Bloodborne like an action game, how I saw it in trailers and such. With the release of Elden Ring, I returned to Bloodborne, and my entire playstyle is so different, most of the game is a different experience. Like sure, the story has been spoiled, but I "never" play souls games for the story.
I played a game 6 years ago, then I forgot about it. Now current time I realize there’s a second and third game, so I forget it less than a month. when I got back into the game I knew absolutely nothing. It was an amazing experience.
I got myself thinking on forget a game sometimes, but there’s a beauty and joy that only the memory can bring. In fact, I try to do the oppose, to not touch the game again, to no “stain” the memory. One example is FFX. I’ll never touch that game again. If I heard the intro music without playing the game, it would be just a nice music. Instead, is a music that brings tears to my eyes every time I hear it. I wish to never forget this feeling.
I never really get the urge to replay a game until years later anyway. There's so many potential experiences that I haven't touched so running out of games is never going to be an issue. I've never played Nier Automata, Persona 5, EarthBound, etc. If I erase all my memories of Ocarina of Time to get the feeling of replaying it the first time, I don't think it would have nearly as big of an impact. It's a game I played during the formattive years of my life and I don't think I could feel the same way about it again after having played so many more things since.
The beautiful about souls games is that they are some of the most replayable games out there. Because you don’t really care about the story or the fact that you know what’s coming next it’s just a beautiful game and experience every time you’re on
@11:30 you mention never going into a game blind again. Have you done a video about that topic yet, because some of my favorite experiences were when I went in completely blind and ignorant to what I was about to experience. There’s gotta be something psychological to that.
17:05 As somebody who's had their life changed for the better after playing OMORI about 4 months ago, this made me laugh like a madman; it's absolutely true lmfao
I still remember how my heart broke into pieces when I went to the optional graveyard, read a beautiful speech by the main cast and then cried after I read the words "Do you want to have a picnic with Mari?"
The experience of playing a game for the first time is amazing, but the replays can also feel equally great to me as well. The foreshadowing becomes more clear, seeing all the details in the game, finding new things that were very well hidden, and more just enhances the first experience.
As a direct reply towards your advice, I am *strongly* encouraging you to play Rain World, as blindly as possible. Firstly, I want to share the joy of playing the game with you. Secondly, the game is so different and so interesting on so many levels, and it has such thought provoking themes that I find it impossible for a dude of your type not to not only like it, but to be just "that game" for you. I know it's weird when people beg of other people to "play this game" or "read this book", but I think you know exactly where I'm coming from. Please consider it, but only give it time when you have time to enjoy a huge, complex, and *very* obtuse game.
YEES, I've said it SO many times, if there was one game I could forget and play for the first time again, it would be Rain World, and hopefully without accidentally spoiling myself again!
@@matheuscabral9618 already did. I liked Outer Wilds *a lot*, and I wanted to like it more than Rain World, but it didn't quite hurt me as good as Rain World did. Nonetheless, Outer Wilds is absolutely among my top 5 of all time.
Metal Gear Solid, when I was a teenager I couldn't understand it. Now after countless hours of youtube essays and intense personal reflection I can never forget it. And I can't help but connect its final message to your final message for this video. Just live ✨️
15:50 Did... did you purposely wear that shirt with that cup design at the start of this part? Then saying to never forget as I start recalling where I've seen this design and how long its been?
yep, years passing deteriorates your memory and though you'll remember some things, you'll forget things and be surprised by those things you forgot. I've argued this this years, but people always argue back that they still remember the beats of the story, which might be partially true, but as I said, they forget a lot more than they remember, they forget the little details between the main scope. I'd argue it's 2-3 years, but 1 year later, yea, it begins to deteriate, sure, but 2-3 years is about that time where you don't remember those little details. The ending was very well said.
I'm very forgetful. If I am to not read a novel for a couple of years and not really think about said novel, I will forget it and will have to reread it again once I find the next volume. But with each rereading, the impact gets weaker. What I prefer when replaying games is changing my strategy, or making up a backstory for my character to stick to through the whole gameplay. I want to see a game through a different mindset, through a different perspective.
Man I have nothing to say about your videos you only make masterpieces just by talking to us. I love you and I will always come to rewatch your videos because I enjoyed them before and of course I don't want to forget them
I like the place this video ended in because I personally don’t want to completely forget the games I’ve played: when I do replay something, I want the playthrough to be colored and recontextualized by my prior experience. What details and nuances did I miss last time? What happens if I make a different choice for a questline? What does it feel like to move around more confidently in a world I might have explored cautiously the first time? For me, the point is that the second playthrough (or more) always owes something to the ones that came before. It feels familiar yet changed by the very memories of my first time with the game.
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So I told him, "Hey, since Silksong ain't ever coming out, I'm just gonna pretend I've never played Hollow Knight and then play it again since it's been over 5 years" 🤷♂
In the intro, I was like: "Wait, is he really not gonna show Outer Wilds as an example for this mood?!" But then, there it finally was!! Phew...
there are certain substances that affect memory, ket is a harmless one that can be leveraged over time to edit memory but there are also other rare compounds i expect are only available to 'agencys' and are also used in labs where they might need 2 rats 1 with a broken memory to compare in an experiment so these things do really exist and they cause permanent instant effects, one of them totally stops you forming new memories i expect thers a load more related compounds with varying effects too thats just the one i know about from documentation i read
Why you spoil the dead of Joel 😭
A valiant attempt to forget Deepnest... But no one forgets Deepnest.
(Gazes vacantly into the distance) Yes, no one forgets Deepnest.
So to sum up the video to understand it, basically the people who do yearly playthroughs of a game are "optimally" experiencing the game?
This guy really just told me not to expose myself to a game I want to forget while exposing me to every game that I want to forget
Yo couldnt be more right 😢
Hollow knight is unforgettable
@@mostly_bread_vesselI didn't play it yet so I can actually go there blind
@@Fangamer1254 You absolutely should, that's what i did and i loved it
@@marpinek8592 If I were to describe what does this game look for me now it's some kind of platformer with a fighting mechanics but I guess I shall try.
Sooner or later
Trying to manipulate your memory is a dangerous game.
I used music to help me remember the books we had to read for high school English;-- 12 years later and I still think about a Romanian immigrant boy growing up on a farm outside of Melbourne whenever I listen to Dance Gavin Dance
that's hilarious lmao, it feels like whenever I have a thought I really don't want to remember or associate with my experiences it always sticks in my brain. However, my crowning achievement is successfully forgetting a cringy thing I said on Dragon City within a couple hours.
And to “Seal in the Ignorance” I’ll set an alarm for 3 years just to watch this video again
Don't be "humanity unwinding" gay.
How is your comment 1 day old?
@@sahilsk6602maybe Patreon or something
I do have a couple CZcams videos on yearly reminders like that
@@sahilsk6602CZcams members/Patreon. They pay a monthly subscription and get early access to videos.
Can confirm that leaving a game to rest for +10 years and coming back to it feels very magical. You forget so many details it might as well be a blind playthrough. Great video Daryl :D
Yeah truly, I haven't had the opportunity to do that myself, but it sounds amazing. Because playing any game is not about the main story and gameplay (at least when revisiting it), it's about the small details that make you love the game.
I do the same thing. I hear people say they wish to play a game for the first time and I am like “just wait a couple years and you will forget all the small details.”
@Sir_lacranIf you haven't done a Calamity playthrough yet it feels like playing the game for the first time again. I did a playthrough with friends a few years ago and the rogue class is incredibly fun.
So, in short, what you're saying is...I should give myself a traumatic head injury? Great idea! Thanks for the inspiration as always Daryl :D
Look into the substances they use in lab experiments to cause memory loss 😉(ther used for example to stop a rat learning the maze) chemistry is mad, worrying whats possible with certain chems especially when you consider the morality of certain agencies
If you give yourself head trauma you’ve gotta be good at it, lest you forget something unintended.
As usual the best way to improve is through practice. So best of luck with those injuries
@@DED_C 500th like...
@@benayers8622those drugs just cause temporary anterograde amnesia though , they temporalily disrupt the creation of new memories . It's just like blacking out after drinking too much . The memories before the dose remain intact
@@benayers8622they only cause temporary anterograde amnesia . They disrupt the process of the creation of new memories only while the agent is present, so the memories before the introduction of the agent remain intact. Like when you black out after getting too drunk.
"Remove all of your exposure to that game"
Me looking at my Outer Wilds mousepad: that's gonna be difficult
Same, but replace 'mousepad' with 'tattoo'
PFP checks out
me with hollow knight and outer wilds rn
Mine: Minecraft
I've never actually had a blind playthrough, which is horribly depressing, because the way I found out about minecraft was through yt vids, And it was a loooong time after that, so by the time I actually played, I pretty much knew everything about it alrdy.
same but replace "Outer Wilds mousepad" with "crippling addiction to the OneShot OST"
I have memory loss from a brain injury and overdose. The silver lining to that is sometimes when I go through my backlog of played games, it really is like I'm playing the game for the first time again
Of course server brain damage, why didn't I think to do that :P
Improvise, adapt, overcome
When life makes you forget lemons… what was I talking about now?
i hope disco elysium was in your backlog because then you'd get a true immersive experience
bro you get the outer wilds infinite serotonin glitch
I always forget games the only issue I have is that when I see the game again, all the memories flood back like those Bee Movie videos where it speeds up every time they say a word with the letter B
Same. And this problem only gets worse the more you play the game as you relearn more information which just unlocks more memories
This is an interesting video. Its almost like the monkey's paw "I wish I could experience this game for the first time again, forget it, and fall in love with it again" and the answer is "ok, make sure you dont get attached, and you'll forget."
Which is fascinating. Because if you love something you wont forget it, but you'll in a sense, want to. But if you try to you cant really love it as much.
The better answer is to indulge with a game as much as you desire the first time, but then dont revisit it for a good long while. Time will still do its thing, it just takes a bit longer. And eventually, revisiting a game will absolutely feel quite fresh again. Maybe never exactly like the first time, but fresh enough to fall in love again. Even better if you can do something new in the game, like playing a different build, making different story choices, playing on a higher difficulty or using some self-imposed challenges, and of course MODS where applicable.
I don't agree on the matter of love. You can't forget a thing and your emotions, they stay, otherwise why replay later? It's not the feelings are cleaned with time, but just the exact details of that past experience are supposed to fade. Yes, you know the plot. Yes, you remember the combos. But you're doing it again and having fun exploring it deeper than at the first time.
The monkeys paw answer would be to give you the head injury tho.
I agree with this idea. If you were to try the original steps in this video, to rush through the game and then try to block it out, would you ever truly fall in love with it in the first place?
I absolutely loved the conclusion to this video (great work like always!). To intentinally forget a game is to rush it, to not think about it, to not let it impact other aspects of your life, to not enjoy it as much, the ultimate catch...
To forget something, you need to make it less special, and that is a price I'm not willing to pay.
My dad played more than 10 playthroughs of Demon Souls back when it came out. When the remake released, he could remember every detail. He might have forgotten certain things, but I watched him play his "first" playthrough of the remake and he knew exactly how to do some of the most convoluted things in that game. When I got around to playing it 2 years later, he told me about the most optimal route if I were to platinum the game.
That's awesome man I love hearing about parents playing games, I hope my daughter follows my trophy hunting hobby as well
Your dad sounds cool ngl
Muscle memory is another interesting detail. I've replayed many games at varying lengths of time. Sometimes it takes me a while to get used to the controls again and build up my reaction time to the environment as would be expected, and other times it's like I haven't taken a day off since I'd played last. Sometimes it depends on how much I'm playing another game at the moment and how different the controls are, but sometimes that doesn't even matter and it genuinely shocks me how easy it is to get back into an old game.
@@Amins88 Muscle memory is so funny, I distinctly remember playing satisfactory with someone who had never played it before after I hadnt played it for over a year. They asked me how to open the build menu and I had no idea, except that I loaded into the game not 10 seconds later and was instantly able to open the build menu based on muscle memory alone. I didnt know I knew the answer but my hands did.
@@BagelBoi4000 Even worse when you've remapped the controls to your preferences at that time in your life. It may or may not match up to how you prefer them on a replay, and certainly wouldn't match someone who's playing for the first time.
Trying to remember how I like my controls mapped on a replay is another struggle sometimes.
I have uttered that phrase "how I wish I could forget this game", so I was very eager to watch this video.
As the video progressed I started remembering all these magical moments, but then I had this realisation that I don't want to forget them. These moments are so beautiful to me, because they happened for the first time. It was going into them blindly without expectations that cemented themselves as core memories.
Instead of looking into the past, I look towards a future where new games will become new core memories. I am very happy we kinda came to same conlusion at the end.
So thank you Daryl. Your videos often bring real tears in my eyes. Your passion shines so bright, it makes me emotional :D.
see my situation is not as simple because I watched some random lets play of undertale and completely spoiled myself on it before ever playing it when I was like 9 years old and now the game dominates about 50% of my mindscape so I can't forget it or ever get a blind playthrough.
@@ecstaticwooper368 My advice is try other games as stupid of advice as this sounds. It sounds like you would like other games to occupy your mind.
@@MrMultiJer so... deltarune and undertale yellow? lmao just kidding that's pretty good advice :)
I'm happy you course-corrected at the end. I was thinking; I want to engage with the stuff I love, not just rush through it and stash it away in some dusty corner, only to revisit it years later. I really appreciated how you ended with the part about sharing-one of the greatest joys in my life is sharing my passion for video games with others, and I know it's the same for you. I really enjoyed this one-thanks!
I wholeheartedly agree. And unfortunately it seems that many people haven‘t watched the video through to completion, because the ending was beautiful.
As much as I'd love to re-experience some of my favorite games again for the first time... I don't want to give up the years of reflection upon them, the friends I've made through them, and the ways they've changed me. And besides, there's just as much to be said about that second playthrough when you pick up on the details and clues you missed the first time around.
This. It is nice to experience something like it's your first time again if you just haven't thought about it in a long time for whatever reason, but min-maxing forgettability to do that intentionally just feels... wrong. I'd rather develop a deeper appreciation of the things I love even if that means I'll never get to experience them the first time again unless I get a brain injury.
I honestly would say that isn't "course correction" but just doing a 180. There's not anything wrong (or right) with taking either approach.
Personally, I lean more toward avoiding the "play through the game and then avoid drowning yourself in content about it to milk the experience" mentality, and more toward "play the game and then turn my attention toward new experiences, and then revisit the game years later and have it be a semi-new but familiar experience again". There are way more excellent games to play in life than there is time to do it, anyway.
Exception on that would be "live service" games, where it is a constantly evolving experience or story --- it makes sense to immerse yourself in content surrounding those games, since community is a large part of the experience and there will always be something new to the game regardless.
I do both really. I like to indulge and take my time with a game, then read/watch some stuff about it afterwards, but then.....I will actually shelve it for like 4-5+ years before revisiting it. And I further try and make a new playthrough fresh by playing a higher difficulty or using mods or something so it's not just revisiting memories, but also creating new ones. Heck, even with something like Tears of the Kingdom, I purposefully staved off my itch to replay Breath of the Wild in the leadup in order to mitigate what I knew was gonna be a heavily reused map. And it worked! I loved it, whereas I'm pretty sure if I replayed BotW immediately leading up to it, it'd probably have dampened my enthusiasm.
I'm so glad for that final section because I was SO angry at the thought of doing something like those instructions - not allowing yourself to enjoy and cherish the very recent memories of something you loved, especially knowing how GOOD it is to be into a fresh new game, learning all the little tidbits of lore you missed, catching up on fanart, etc. I wouldn't trade that for the world, and I'm very glad you agree
i like to see people playing it for the first time too, since you emphasize with the person first time experience and get a fraction of your original feeling too
the success behind many reaction channels
as long as the person that played it already shuts the fuck up. the amount of times I want to point something cool out to a friend but I know it'll spoil some of the magic of experiencing it
@@terrace15 It's like a book club. You can share an experience with not only the video producer, but the commentors and maybe learn new details about something you hadn't noticed before. Never understood how people can cherry-pick the few bad actors to disparage the entire genre.
You mean empathize lol? Also, yeah, watching someone else play it for the first time just brings the feeling back
This is why I love to watch blind Lets Plays of rpgs like Undertale or Omori or ISAT. You can't really experience it for the first time twice, but it's a pretty close second. Probably less effective for more action-heavy genres though.
I have a flashbulb memory.
Sepetmber, 2019.
We were shopping at a target. It was almost 6 pm, and i had been on my phone most of the day due to bordem. I was keeping up on the news of something that was taking over the internet with its presence. In fact, I was watching an emergency live recording detailing further news.
And then it happened. Like a shock to my entire core, it appeared on screen with no warning, and i was filled with such incredible emotion i had never felt before.
I knew I had to tell my sibiling the news, but we had splitten up to go explore the different sections. I was sitting at the starbucks in the front entrance of the Target, and i didnt want to run across the building making a scene. So I waited, anxiously, unable to keep still.
Finally, two minutes later they arrived. I grabbed them by the shoulders and exclaimed the news, not loud enough to shock the passerbys.
"Sans is in smash"
this should be top comment
Oh my god, I actually remember that. I was at school, in my Carpentry class. We were on lunch time, so I decided to watch the Smash Direct as I ate my lunch. And there it was. I actually freaked out when it happened.
Another Flashbulb memory of mine was when I found out Splatoon 3 was announced. I missed out the Nintendo Direct completely, and a friend who's also a big Splatoon fan literally pinged me on Discord with just 🦑, then after my confused answer, replied with 🔫🦑. I immediately realized, and straight-up watched the direct, having an idea of what he was talking about. I would've never guessed just how much that moment would mark me.
Not smash but my flashbulb memory was when I first got to play RW downpour I heard about it the minute it released at like 9:30 then when I finally got a chance, at 11:45 (yes I remember the exact minute that’s because it was a lunch break) I never was so happy to play a game before now I need to choose between brain damage or waiting for a year or two
I genuinely thought the "play it with someone new" was going to be the first answer - I didn't expect all the research so that's some amazing work my guy
That's what I also had in my mind too for a long time.
Bro literally made the argument for being a parent. Trust me, if you want to experience any book, movie, or game blind again? Have kids. You get to do it with each kid. And it's amazing. In fact, what happens is those amazing memories you have of the thing get brought back to the surface and then they get recontextualized by your kids experience. You get to watch and enjoy them have all those amazing moments you once had AND you get to feel them again because being a parent breaks your brain in that way and lets feel and see things that you simply can't access on your own. And when it's one of those stories or songs or whatever that means a lot to you and you get to see your kid fall in love with the same thing for similar reasons, it's hard to describe how good that feels unless you've experienced it. I'd say this is double or triple true for those of us that are really nerdy and grew up with especially esoteric interests that the rest of our family didn't jive with.
But yeah I 100% agree with the conclusion. Don't try to intentionally forget. Enjoy life. Move on to other stuff. And if you get the chance to experience that blind playthrough through someone else's eyes (especially your own kids) embrace that fully!
I feel like you could do this with a friend or a lover before you go out and get a child to do this with
@@ferretappreciator having done both, I can assure you that nothing compares to having a kid. But sharing with a friend is a nice experience too. It's not the same though. Not even comparable. With a kid you really DO feel those feelings all over again, but with extra details. In many ways it's MORE magical than your first time. Trust me, it's worth it. For every downside to being a parent, the upsides dwarf them, and this is definitely one of those things.
thanks i'll just do that real quick
@@ferretappreciatorChildren are dispensable
@@tetrisbit shouldn't take longer than maybe... 5 minutes max. LOL
“Seal in the Ignorance” would be a dope ass slogan for Outer Wilds or Tunic. I would sell my left kidney to play those games blind for the first time again.
Not me, and I repeat, NOT me. but hey.
I almost agree. But then animal well came out and I barely remember Fez now so I guess I'd rather comfortably store my kidneys for emergencies and enjoy new games while I forget gems
Hmm, well, you see.. your left kidney is no bueno. If I feel generous, I'll allow you to forget how to eat the last layer of lasagna in Tunic for that, but that's as high as I can go. Your right kidney would be much more valuable, but if you want the premium deal, you'd have to sell your spleen.
Oddly gory jokes aside, I just finished Outer Wilds +DLC for the first time literally today! That was fun, but now I don't know what to do with myself...
@@Mooskym tunic spoiler alert . . .
@@jbarber7127 Yeah, I thought of putting a spoiler alert, but it's such a small spoiler, I don't know if it was really necessary... Should I?
I appreciate the conclusion you give us at the end. For me, I can't treat video games like they're disposable. As corny as it sounds, they are a journey not a destination. A good game is one you can't stop thinking about where you need to hear what others are saying about it. Thanks for telling us how to forget a game, but reminding us that we shouldn't want to.
forgetting something you love and fall in love with it once again is something like a heavenly experience..
I’m trying to think of a your mom joke for this comment, but everything I come up with keeps being too damn wholesome to use
@@Anomalous_PhenomenonYou know who else is too wholesome to use?
@@Stevehenrickson :))))
@@Stevehenrickson lol, you’re the hero we all truly needed 😂
@@Stevehenrickson MY MOMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! INCOHERENT SQUEALINGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've been thinking about this ever since I finished Outer Wilds. What I've realized is "Play like it's your first time." Don't rely on what you learned while playing the game. Play as if you don't already know everything and just enjoy the moment. Realistically, you won't remember every little detail after taking a break from the game. Do I remember how to beat Outer Wilds? Yes. Do I remember how to solve every puzzle? Every piece of dialogue? Every character? I do not. And odds are neither do you.
Maybe YOU don’t (/hj)
being able to forget outer wilds or undertale would go CRAZY id be neuralising myself daily
I still haven't experienced Undertale, now it makes me want to even more.
@@killval849 Its cheap and also perfect go play it as soon as possible
These are the two games I immediately thought of, too.
I’m so mad because I went into Undertale knowing that it would be emotionally impactful, but I messed up the pacifist route and I had to look up where I messed up which resulted in me accidentally getting spoilers for the ending and I had to reset my save file and play through everything again. Apathetically skipping all the jokes I found hilarious the first time was so soul-crushing, and although the ending still hit really hard when I saw it for myself I couldn’t help but ruminate on how hard it could’ve hit if I didn’t know that it was going to happen.
This did give me the almost unique experience later though, of learning more about Flowey’s lore and going “WAIT DID I COMMIT A FLOWEY?” although I probably would’ve gotten that same revelation had I ever done a blind genocide playthrough so it isn’t really that special.
I watched this video just because of Undertale lol
I have a few thoughts on this... I really like to preserve amazing gaming memories that I experience for the first time. When I'm playing a video game for the first time and I can sort of tell that I'm having a gaming core memory I try to catch myself in the moment and practice real mindfulness. I focus on my physical and emotional sensations in that moment and it can help me remember those moments more vividly. I remember how scared and confused I felt when I accidentally fell into deep nest for the first time. I remember the healing and satisfying feeling of climbing the last leg of the mountain in Celeste. I remember the feeling of having the rug pulled out from under me when I meandered to Eventide for the first time but the absolute triumph of having defeated the henox with my very last arrow. It's almost like lucid dreaming. You have to catch yourself in the moment and then carefully "scribe" the whole experience in your mind while its happening.
Alternatively, I've found that going back to old familiar games can be amazing if you have the opportunity to experience them in a new way. Its the same idea of watching someone else play the game for the first time. Last year I ended up with a very bad cold and to help myself feel better I booted up OoT. A game I love but have actually only played all the way through only 3 times before. The experience of playing something nostalgic and familiar while I had semi delirious sick brain was actually really special. It felt like a heating pad for my heart while I was slowly getting better. In the end I think I'm almost more fond of how I felt during that 4th OoT play through than the first time I ever played it. Idk what this means exactly but yeah. The first time you play a game doesn't always have to be the best time you play it, i guess.
Moments in gaming i would like to play again blind:
- Coming down from the great plateau in Zelda BOTW
- Hearing the song of the City of Tears as I enter in it in Hollow Knight
- Hearing "Compass" as I ride towards my family in RDR 1
- Beating Ganon for the first time in Zelda OOT
Going to city of tears for the first time is something I will probably never forget
City of Tears is such a wonderful song, but for me the song I want to hear for the first time again is Resting Grounds, it simply brings me a unique type of calm I don't get anywhere else.
Hallow knight and the city of tears
Zelda BOTW and stepping out of the cave
NieR automata and the city of Salt
Nier Replicant and entering The forest of lost sleep
And God of War, entering Jotunheim.
All moments that I just... man.
For me, it was so many things in Octopath Traveler 2 - finding the demo on the Eshop, watching ZERO reviews or marketing for the game, and falling in love more and more after being hooked by Osvald's story. Highlights include:
- Building teams with fun items
- "Fighting" Harvey for the first time and unlocking the One True Magic (hint: it wasn't in that order!)
- Casually oneshotting earlygame bosses with Osvald (magic damage is hilariously buffable)
- Clutching my way through multiple hard optional encounters on the reserve party
- Provoke Beasts (if you know, you know)
- Making a build for the reserve party, only to find that the final boss needs you to use every character in the game (yippee!)
- Lagging the game by healing all 8 characters at once
- Being pleasantly surprised by Partitio's campaign
- Farming money by crafting stupidly strong builds
- Generally unlocking the funny Support Skills
That one scene in the original FF7. You know the one. I was 13 years old, had loved Final Fantasy since the NES days, and was absolutely riveted. I had no idea what was coming.
And then the floor dropped out from beneath my feet, and it felt like the air had been pressed from my lungs after a cannonball hit me in the gut.
I remember setting the controller down. I remember feeling entirely disoriented, sure I misunderstood, and then just staring at the screen trying to make sense of it.
Never before or since has a scene in a game made me feel that strongly. I have a lot of wonderful memories of games, but none of them hold a candle to that moment.
this is, enlightening, i cant believe a topic such as "i wish to play this game blind again" would be soo deep, and the advice at the end, perfect.
0:14 Celeste
0:47 (probably Xenoblade 2-3)
0:57 Outer Wilds
1:03 FF10
1:07 Portal 2
1:19 Unsighted (in Why We Play Games We Hate) [Not Mentioned in other description either]
1:41 Control [Covered by clock]
1:45 Hades / RE4 / Danganronpa? / Honkai?
1:51 Persona 5
1:57 Bloodborne
2:14 Legend of Zelda Majora’s Mask
2:20 FFVII
2:29 IDK
2:42 Stellar Blade
2:46 Dark Souls
2:49 IDK
2:54 LOZ: BOTW
2:59 Fire Emblem: Three Houses
4:33 Stellar Blade
5:46 Inside? [Covered by graph]
6:25 Last of Us
6:27 13 Sentinels
6:29 Pokemon Stadium 2
6:34 Journey
6:36 Elden Ring
6:39 IDK [Looks FF like? But with colorful fluff balls?]
6:40 Metroid Dread
7:11 Ghosts of Tsushima
7:29 DMCV
7:33 Persona 5
7:42 IDK [probably Signalis]
4:46 IDK
7:49 RE4
7:51 [I think Elden Ring]
7:53 IDK
7:57 IDK [Stellar Blade?]
8:02 Gravity Rush
8:57 Dark Souls
9:03 IDK
9:30 Persona 4
9:37 IDK
9:44 FF [IDK which]
9:56 IDK
9:57 GOW [PS4?]
10:00 IDK
10:01 IDK
10:03 IDK
10:20 The Last Guardian
11:34 Portal
11:37 Neir Automata
11:40 Hollow Knight
12:12 Disco Elysium
12:54 IDK [Hellblade?]
12:59 Celeste
13:15 Shadow of the Colossus
13:44 Undertale
13:49 FFX
16:45 Steel Beam Simulator
17:07 Neon White
17:08 Omori
17:10 Cross Code
18:07 Paper Mario: Thousand Year Door
18:39 Haven
20:04 Dead Space Remake [Credits]
20:39 IDK [Sorry guys, it’s probably something obscure like Class of ‘09]
21:02 Gris
21:06 Before Your Eyes
21:34 IDK
22:04 Pokemon Crystal
There are games I didn’t mention in the Description.
Hope this helps…
1:41 is Alan Wake 2
1:51 is Metaphor: ReFantazio
2:29 is also Elden Ring
2:49 is also Ghost of Tsushima
5:46 is also Control
6:39 is one of the Xenoblade games based on the Nopons (the fluffy, big-eared things)
7:46 is also RE4 Remake
7:53 is Death's Door
9:03 is also Alan Wake 2
9:37 is also Ghost of Tsushima
9:44 is FF XIII
9:56 is also Metroid Dread
10:00 is DMCV
10:01 is also Alan Wake 2
10:03 is Outer Wilds
21:34 is also Outer Wilds
Thank you very much for the list!
@@shorty2531 Yeah, thank you!
0:47 and 6:39 is Xenoblade Chronicles 3.
Hero
omg I think I love you
The downside to taking all these steps to forgetting a game is that you will likely not have the same level of fondness afterwards, less desire to replay for the first time again.
Loved this! Helped contextualize some weird memory glitches I have with Portal 2.
Played Portal 2 to death way back during the PSN outage in 2011 since nothing else worked. Replayed it a few months ago and I practically have the campaign memorized - it’s barely fun anymore.
Then I tried to co-op campaign again… and it was like I’d never seen it before. Played it just as much, but remembered it less, assumably because it wasn’t associated with the outage. Such a weird feeling to only recognize half of a game you’ve played.
@@LambHoot Right?? Happened to me a bit when I was playing the Paper Mario remake, 3-4 times I’ve been through the entire game growing up. A decade passes and now some of the dialogue felt so foreign haha.
It’s encouraging that even when something is that deeply ingrained, it can still feel almost like new with enough time.
@@DarylTalksGames well, to be completely fair on that example, the ttyd remake did have some script changes, the 2 most notable of which even to the outside world of waiting fans who havent picked it up yet is the catcalling scene during the prologue that was immediately put under a microscope when included in the trailers and re-canonizing vivian's trans-ness which was originally only in the Japanese version, but was well known trivia for the game elsewhere. With that context, the dialogue feeling forign might just be because it IS! "Three Shadows"? what are you talking about, it has and always will be "Shadow Sirens" to me. XD
Hollow Knight is like the one game that is worse on your first playthrough. I wouldn't wanna play it blind again.
My favorite game that i both wish i could play blind again but also don't want to forget is Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Explorers of Sky. That game literally has a song named "Don't ever forget".
Getting lost is part of the experience in Hollow Knight. Exactly as cornifer put it: "Getting lost and finding one's way again is a joy like no other."
I really hope that one day, motivation hits me to play through PMD: Explorers of Sky. I've heard so many good things about it, and I know for a fact that the emotions will hit me like a truck when I eventually get around to playing it.
How to forget a game. Let enough time pass. It's what my brother and I do, and we replay the Myst games every 10 years. It's unfortunate that I will never be able to forget Outer Wilds, though... My favourite game of all.
That does not always help. Like it was already stated in the Video: the more complex the Game, the more you had to Deal with its Systems characters etc, the more you Had to think and memorize, the Harder its going to be to forgett about it
@@heikesiegl2640 as I said, Outer Wilds, I can never forget. The Myst games due to being mostly puzzles, after a decade they feel as fresh as the first time. So yeah, it depends on the game.
The ending monologue minda reminds me of that line from jurassic park: We're so caught up in wether or not we could, we didnt think about wether or not we should.
I feel that the best way to forget a game is to play many more unforgettable ones.
Absolutely this. There are way too many excellent games -- and not enough time in life to play them all even if it's all you did in life -- to do anything else.
I also think it's good practice to avoid the habit of "play a game and then drown yourself in content about it, milking the experience for dopamine", and instead constantly turn your attention to new experiences.
This is true…I love the saying “if you love something, set it free.” And “don’t cry because it’s over, smile because it happened.”
Ultimately, we need to continue to push ourselves out of our comfort zones. We are capable of falling in love with something new.
@@theSato I think there's enough time, I've played almost everything I could ever want to play, I have like 40 more games in backlog and new games that'll come out, but I'm easily beating 60+ games a year right now, so I'm pretty close to that.
There is a specific book series that I read once and declared it to be my Favorite Series of All Time. I recently re-read the entire series for the first time, 7 years later, and it's amazing how much I forgot and how much joy I got out of rediscovering all of the details. Huge swaths of the plot were lost to me, and I got to re experience them like they were new. And at the end, I sobbed like a goddamn baby and it was every bit as emotionally impactful as it was the first time I read it.
Any chance you can tell me what series that is? I'd really love to read it.
@@false_ember the broken earth trilogy by n.k. jemison! The first book is called the fifth season
Thanks! Gonna check it out now. We'll see if I remember to let you know what I think!
@@false_ember hope you have a good time with it!
Why yes, I have heard of a moon, thanks for asking. On to book two!
For me its a timeline of
Play game->play other games in the same genre to change my perspective->grow and change as a person->"oh yeah I remember that game"->replay
That bit about flashbulb memories really means that I'll never be able to replay Outer Wilds again due to how emotional finding my way to the end of the game was, remembering exactly how to get there and finish everything, and the entirety of the game is about figuring out *how* to do that. I'm always going to remember that, so I can never re-experience discovering it.
My own method for replaying a game I've completed, is to forget about early boosts/skips, and play it back just as if you were new. Take in the environments, talk to all the NPCs, take some screenshots
Stop and smell the roses ✨
As an avid Outer Wilds fan, this concept obviously grabbed me. As the video went on and you came to the overall conclusion, it occurred to me.
The answer you gave, which is to do your best to not think of the game, to remove it from your life, is exactly the reason I can't experience Outer Wilds in the same way again. The answer of "you can get close if you remove yourself from that experience" made me realize that giving up my feelings and lessons from Outer Wilds for even a year isn't worth being able to do it fresh, to me. The ways it changed me are more valuable than getting to do it again.
i always feel like im weird because i almost never replay games or rewatch shows,so whenever i watch someone experience them it feels different and new looking at all the details without needing to absorb them myself
Having done exactly this for movies, books, manga, and games, I know that my personal lower limit is 5 years of no exposure and minimal thinking about it. That's the amount of time where I've forgotten as much as possible about something that I loved so much I thought about it every day for a month or three.
So that's what I do with some of the things that I absolutely love. After I've had my time gushing about it for a few weeks, then I set it down, and I say, "No more of this until I don't remember it anymore."
You playing the Unknown sound from the Pokemon Crystal intro made me perk up like it was my sleeper agent activation code. All the memories flooding back for a game I love dearly but havent thought about in a while, some memories you just cant forget, and I think thats awesome
This video was so fascinating to me, but for a completely different reason than probably intended. Those profound feelings I had from a game, or the enjoyment I had while playing it, came from the place I was in when I started it. I don't know if I'd get that same feeling again if I played some of my favourites now, and it scares me to think that some of my favorites could have been just "another game" if I experienced them for the first time at a different point in my life.
The one upside to having a poor memory, I can just let a game sit in my library for up to a few years and forget most of it. Some things I won’t forget, but I can forget the smaller details, and in a game like Outer Wilds that’s what I’ll want to forget. Did this with Subnautica a couple months ago, forgot most of the map, where monsters were, most of the stuff that made the game feel a little too practiced for me.
* Keeping in mind this was a game that I engaged with a ton after I first played it, knew the map like the back of my hand, etc. and that I always thought about and watched videos about even in the space between. Thats where the bad memory power comes in.
Hell yeah, bad memory can be good sometimes! I replay games that I haven't played in a while and it's like I'm playing them for the first time
In 2018 I saw a niche movie called Mune which I enjoyed greatly. It even affected my own art style despite only watching it once. Last month I randomly recalled it while choosing what to watch for VR movie night with friends. I was the only one who had seen it before, but it really did feel fresh for all of us.
There's an achievement for the original "The Stanley Parable" where you only obtain it if you don't boot up the game again for 5 years. I played the game sometime before the pandemic and got the achievement a year ago. I did not do a new playtrough of the game; I only remember the normal ending of the game and some of the interesting ones, however I barely know the details and the narrator's lines of dialogue. I didn't play the Deluxe version yet.
Yes! I'm so excited to play it again! Two years to go!
The end of the video is the best advice ever, watching my fiancé play BOTW for the first time, finding dragons, running away from guardians, all of it, was almost as magical as it was when i did those things myself.
Also i adore your video's they are so well researched and engaging. A reall hilight of any week they come out on.
Living vicariously through someone else playing a game you love is the best thing ever.
Man... what I'd give to feel that heavenly orchestra blast my emotions into the stratosphere after landing in Good Egg Galaxy in Mario Galaxy for the first time again...
Just play any other 3D Mario (64, Sunshine, etc.) and return to Galaxy at least a year later. There is a reason that Galaxy’s presentation shines above the rest.
I’m glad the video ended the way it did because as the video went on I realized I didn’t want to forget the great memories I had with my favorite games. I’ll cherish those forever.
Ironically, that is essentially the message of Finding Paradise, one of my favorite games I wish I could relive my first time experience with again.
Getting my friends to play games I love blind is honestly 100% my way to vicariously re-experience things. This applies to movies and such, too. When I rewatch/play things myself it always seems to go so fast, like it doesn't take up as much time as it did when I first saw something even if I deliberately take my time with it.
I think this is why reaction videos have become so big. We're all yearning for what it feels like to re-experience something we love, or getting a different perspective on it. Seeing someone else's joy or horror or pensiveness on experiencing something for the first time is such a unique way to enjoy a piece of media.
One thing I had to learn is that you can never 100% optimize your life, and of course you can’t re-experience the same thing exactly. However, if enough time had passed and you are kind of a different person, you can find new stuff to appreciate about old favorites in addition to the nostalgia. Happened with man games like OoT and FF9.
So don’t look for the exact same experience, but a different experience with the same game or a different game can be just as enriching.
❤
I’ve recently started introducing some of my favorite games to my sister, and watched her go through said games as well. Not only is it fun to help her out to have the best experience in the games, for example if there’s a boss with a specific gimmick you wouldn’t know about if you went in completely blind, but it’s also increased our amount of inside jokes exponentially. Watching someone get just as shocked by twists or hyped by moments of triumph as you is what makes it fun for me, who has been in that position before. It’s like a feeling of validation and nostalgia.
I’ve chased after that feeling a few times. I found a way that makes RPGs feel “new” to me is by engaging heavily in the role playing aspect. I “act” as though I’ve never seen or engaged with something before.
It’s seems silly, but when I pick up an item and go “oooh, what’s this?” In my mind, even though I know what it is helps me pick up new details. I’ll reread the description and go “so these mushrooms only grow underground” and the next time I find one I go, “well whaddya know, I’m underground”. Full immersion, full exploration, full role-playing.
Once I’m past feeling a bit foolish acting dumb in my own mind it really becomes quite fun.
Great video, mate!
I find that when I play games again that I’ve really forgotten or haven’t touched in years, I’m falling in love with it all over again.
Perfect timing for the steam release of Katawa Shoujo, the piece of fiction that may well have changed my life more than any other.
Lilly is still best girl
@@Professor_Utonium_ lilly fan reporting in o7
LMFAO
Emi gang here
I just commented talking about this masterpiece and you did too, great minds think alike 🙏
I'm playing it for the first time right now and Emi's route is the most brilliant work of fiction I've ever read in my life
This video actually came in the perfect timing for me. This past month I finally finished two things that I been meaning to finish ever since I started it. Those being finally finishing watching Frieren that I started November last year and finishing Elden Ring which I started shortly after it came out but never went past the early game cuz I didn't understand the mechanics of the game at the time. I now have finished both and they are now some of my favorites in their respective mediums. Such vivid memories of Frieren and Fern's relationship and Frieren's own past with her master Flamme made cry like a baby with how beautiful it was. The moments of triumphs after defeating Starscourge Radahn in 4 tries was electrifying, finishing Elden Beast knowing that I finally completed my first ever souls game, and besting Malenia, the hardest boss I have ever faced, was some of the best moments of any game I had ever played. So when you said at the end to not forget them, it made me happy cuz as much as I would love to experience blind again, that first experience is something I will treasure for the rest of my life. Plus, who doesn't love thinking about stuff they like LMAO. Great video 🔥
ADHD does that for me fairly well. I replay games every few months and completely forget a lot of the details in the meantime.
Ugh I been diagnosed with adhd at the age of 5, before TikTok started and suddenly everyone had it.
Adhd only effects our working memory(short term memory), soo like forgetting where u put the keys, or names of someone u just meet, adhd doesn’t effect our long term memory, I can still remember everything about my favourite games even if I haven’t played it for years.
Soo even if your joking or not can we please stop the adhd is quirky, or mistake adhd for other neurodivergent disorders.
Sorry it’s my biggest pet peeve, seeing soo much misinformation about adhd, also forgetting details has nothing to do with adhd since this happens to everyone, proven in this video.
@@yoshitsune5691 I'm not joking, I've had ADHD my entire life, before most social media even existed. I've lived with it for almost 30 years, I think I know how my condition affects me. You are not the ADHD police and do not have the right to tell people what they can and can't share about it. Not sure what TikTok has to do with anything, I've never used it.
ADHD affects everyone differently, so you can't invalidate my experience because it annoys you. I didn't say it was quirky, I said it messes my memory up and I can't remember much. This is an experience that a lot of people with it also have. ADHD is a nightmare in every way, I just accept that part as a single positive.
literally my first thought! my cycles of hyperfixation/abandoning the hyperfixation for a new one/rediscovering an old hyperfixation are literally identical to the advice of "play something super quickly and get really invested in it, then leave it on a shelf for two years". like that's just how i experience life lmao
@@yoshitsune5691 yeah what zero said. would also like to add i'm also diagnosed with ADHD and resonate with this video and long term memory issues. i struggle with planning for long-term projects and goals in life because i literally can't envision the future more than like 2 weeks ahead. ADHD, like most mental illnesses and learning disabilities, affects everyone differently and people have unique experiences with it. this is why the diagnostic critera for ADHD was written over several months by multiple medical professionals and approved by many more medical professionals, and not one self-important person on the internet. hope this helps!
@@ellw7830 Lol this is legit, I've been playing the same maybe 20 games and watching a few of my favorite shows on repeat over the years. I never get tired of replays, it's crazy how many times I've forgotten big chunks of a story I've been through multiple times. And fixating on each story's universe for a while before it's on to the next one. Resident Evil has had me in a chokehold for a while now. 😅
The thing, at least for me, is that an experience is truly enjoyable when I share it with someone. Even if is reading forums from 10 years ago discussing a game. Talking about it or hearing the opinion from someone else really makes my experience complete, therefore I don't think that forgetting a game is really meant for me. I enjoy them also when I remember those moments and what other people think too. Still, it was quite an interesting video, will probably watch it in 10 years again for the first time.
That game is Ace Attorney 3 and unless someone can hit me with a hammer just right and give me perfectly selective amnesia, I'll never experience that the same way ever again...
Same but AA1 for me. I've played it so many times, I love it, but I can practically recite the entire dialogue from memory. I can't forget any of the details, to the point where it's hard to enjoy it again. I've only played AA3 twice, I love that one as well. I remember the major plot points, but barely any of the details. I was looking to replay it again soon, so I'm kinda happy I let it rest (aside from the music.)
I played AA1 as a kid and I remember basically nothing except the killers and ending.
Meanwhile the double penalty and Kristoph breakdown in AA4 is burned into my soul
That moment when the court opening theme plays (you know the one) is etched into my soul, it's impossible to remove
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yeah maybe you could become a lawyer and defend an unlucky gal
@@SaltyIsaac at the end of the final case in AA3, right? Arghh forever in my soul!
i’m worried i’ve never had a game experience like this. i’m fairly young, but i’ve played a lot of games, especially a lot mentioned in this video, but my issue is that i heard about a lot of these games before i had ever played them. plot spoilers, gameplay mechanics, secrets along the way. games have felt special to me, i’ve laughed, i’ve cried, and i’ve yelled at the top of my lungs for little pixels on the screen, but all of those games, whether it was remembering something small or having seen a whole playthrough, feel incomplete in my mind. like i could have cared more if i didn’t know anything. sometimes it’s fun knowing stuff about the game before playing it, that’s why people including me go and replay them anyways, to see what they can do now that they’re essentially doing a new game+ but for their minds. sometimes i want to go through something magical like this on my own, uninterrupted, one impossibly long sitting with no prior knowledge, completely immersed in the worlds presented to me.
i don’t want to play games for the first time again. i want to play games for the first time.
17:08 oh great I AM trying to forget omori
Honestly I don't think it's physically possible to forget Omori. That's a one of a kind experience right there
Same
As much as I would love to play a game again anew, I would never want to forget about a game I love that much.
What a damn gem of a video, I feel the passion and the insight of psychology pouring out like… like one of your old videos 1 year ago ;)
(god I want to replay FE3H under a diff leader now)
Do it 😈
I am glad you added this part at the end. I understand the desire to reexperience a game for the first time, but I would never want to forget my time with it. Especially so for Outer Wilds, even if there is nothing that scratches quite the same itch for me (for now at least!). I love feeling emotional, but minmaxing emotional impact for oneself isn't it.
Incidentally, I replayed Little Inferno yesterday, last time I played it was like a decade ago. I remember I loved it, but replaying it, its atmosphere and story hit me like a ton of bricks in a way I really didn't expect. I'm the kind of person that's pretty stoic with games to the point that I'm getting frustrated that I don't feel anything usually, but here I was at 3AM sobbing in front of my computer. I think part of that is because I already have memories attached to it, and also because time passing / flying by is one of the themes of the game.
last thing i expected was for him to stare at me with the Brawl theme playing asking if i remember where i was during 9/11
7:40 can 100% confirm. I've watched Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood 4 times now, but it's always over a span of less than a week (12ish episodes a day) and it still feels fresh every time.
Some games are special to me because when I replay them they are like a time capsule of me. I not only remember the game, but where I was when I played it. Even years after I last played them
Thank you Daryl. I think part of it can also be fueled by nostalgic appreciation, where you go through a game/media and you enjoy it for that time, complete it, and lay it aside yourself. I also agree with telling others for your experience with it so you can again live through their blindness, remembering your own, and having a good time from their relatability, their different solutions to the same problem (like them tackling a boss fight or puzzle differently).
This may sound a little weird, as i'm not really an effusive type, but it's been on my mind for quite some time. You're one of the few (seriously, I can count them on the fingers of one hand) creators that get the privilege of me dropping everything I currently do just to watch a new upload. And when I see the announcement that "the video will be uploaded tomorrow" on your socials I get so excited, because I know that I'm in for an emotional and intellectual treat. You make me think about these common things in a way I would've never.
When I watch your videos, you always make me go "...huh." several times, and for that I'm grateful. You've found a way to connect the world of science with a wild world of our feelings, that's seemingly is impossible to simply categorise. Honestly, thank you for your work. whenever I get a notification, it's a highlight of my day; it's so inspiring, you've made me think about starting my own thing. Hope you're doing well.
This is why blind playthroughs/observations/interactions from someone else are viewed a lot; they rekindle an experience an once had through someone else, especially ever since the original React channel on CZcams started it all.
... "play it fast and unplug immediately"
Buddy, i have adhd and autism. Even if i unplug, im gonna be obsessing over every single thing i can remember about the game for AGES
Sounds like me. Not being able to forget is kind of a curse.
Especially if you just happened to only remember the "unimportant" stuff 😂
Unable to make a call for the doctor, but can tell you the whole story of Got in one sitting 😅
Yep. Yesterday I literally rememberd a random song my primary teacher taught us 20 years ago... Words, melody and a silly dance that went with it. Which is fun, but on the other hand when my memory selectively remembers a few lines of a piece I learned and I can't remember the title and composer I'm screwed because half of them are in Latin and have similar texts 😂 so there's no way of remembering more unless I'd call one of the people I used to sing in choir out of the blue and ask them, what's the piece that goes like this?
I experienced this phenomenon when I played Pokémon Blue on the 3DS after not visiting Kanto for nearly a decade.
WOW. Things were weird back then but, the game felt like an old friend.
Hey Daryl,
I've been following your channel for a long time now, and I just wanted to say how much I appreciate your video essays. Your super in-depth analysis and oddly specific topics really stand out.
I've learned so much from your videos and they've helped me appreciate gaming as a whole. Keep up the great work!
Edit: The one I'll like to play again would be Persona 3 Reload
...I don't think loving my favorite game again is worth losing everything connected to it for years. I think that's too steep a sacrifice.
OK, I am quite fascinated by how this vid was structured (certainly one of your best I’ve seen). For pretty much the entirety of the video, I was thinking about the many reasons I would NOT want to erase my first experiences with a piece of media, as a lot of those pieces of media have shaped who I was, am, and have been for my nearly 22 years on Earth. Leaving the United States for the first time gave me a better understanding of the massive world we dwell on, my first viewing of The Owl House has helped my childish mindset navigate adulthood during a state of depression and cynicism, and the many games I have played so far (mostly adventure) have encouraged me to discover and explore the world and unknown. If I shove that into a subconscious time capsule, the beauty of those experiences I cannot comprehend until I dig it back out.
Like you have said at the end of the video AND in your post-series depression vid, I take what I have acquired from a piece of media or life experience and share it with those blind. I play music without a screen on, I browse memes and fan-art, and I watch others slowly join the fan-club on their first go.
Every human being is essentially a history teacher who is capable of documenting significant events and passing the info down to future generations. It’s why the most historically significant games are preserved in museums and exhibits, as future players can understand how special Super Mario Bros. was in the 1980s. Perhaps TOTK and TLOU Part II will soon enter the gaming history books for players 40 years later to look back at. Heck, I’m 21 (younger than the 11 September attacks), and most of the games I play are older than me as well. Anyways, you did a fantastic job putting this interesting concept into a discussion vid. You certainly deserve to rest after this.
As much as I would want to forget and experience a game again for the first time, I think "don't" indeed is the best advice. There are some games that I haven't played or thought about in a long time, in theory becoming as forgotten as possible. But even having forgotten almost everything, playing again is not the same experience. If you try to see it as if it was a whole new experience, you'll just be likely to disappoint yourself. You have a memory of how it was for the first time, and when the wonder of discovery isn't as complete as it was the first time, you start thinking it's just not as good.
Once again you manage to put into words stuff I often think about but never have the time to elaborate on, so they stay in the back of my mind forever, bugging me, so thank you so much for your videos, they help me tremendoulsy!
(Also I eagerly await for the Fire Emblem x Bachelor video)
I love vicariously experiencing my favorite games with someone else playing for the first time. You get to share in that joy of discovery with them even though you already know every nook and cranny of that world.
Youd read my mind with Flashbulb memory, I was no joke thinking about Omori
I loved this video. This gives me a framework with which to both describe and frame challenge a question I didn't know I had - "what's the optimal 'cooldown' period on a game you played once and want to play again?"
But, the answer is almost a catch-22, it's "as long as you can possibly wait, but there are diminishing returns."
So, I'm applying what I learned here not to try to plan to forget a game, but to go back through my games library and see if any of them spark joy - If they do, but it's not been over a year or two, then I might leave that childlike wonder on the vine for when I rediscover it again in a few years.
In my experience, as something of a mediaphile (I am severely handicapped, so I have a lot of free time), I think there's only one way to actually reexperience something.
You will never forget something that actually impacts you -- that's... sorta what impact is. But if you come back to the work with a new tool, a new perspective, or a new belief system, you can experience the work in a new way.
This can be relatively simple -- even as trivial as going back and consuming womething you enjoyed at an earlier stage in your life. Maybe you find yourself relating to a different character, or maybe you find you completely misunderstood something, or maybe you even just get some of those adult jokes in old cartoons.
But you can put deliberate effort into this as well. Consume more media similar to it, and you'll find yourself better able to contextualize the work -- especially if you look at what influenced the work and what works it has influence. Or, go even further: learn the language of the media itself. Study the 12 basic principles of animation; learn how camera angles affect viewer experience; read up on lighting and ambience; etc. (Which, admittedly, you probably already do to some extent if you're watching videos like this).
The point being is that the experience of a piece of media is created by the interaction between the audience and the work. And, since the work is never going to change (unless you're, you know, modding Skyrim so hard it becomes The Forgotten City), so you must, instead, change yourself to create a new experience. The person reexperiencing it will be shaped by their first experience with the work but, if you change enough, you might find that you feel you never really experienced the work the first time to begin with.
(PS: some works enforce this experience by themselves being informative and transformative. Nobody understands Serial Experiments Lain the first time through, and nobody is the same afterwards either.)
I feel this way about Bloodborne. I got it together with my PS4, and despite having played Dark Souls and Dark Souls 2, I played Bloodborne like an action game, how I saw it in trailers and such.
With the release of Elden Ring, I returned to Bloodborne, and my entire playstyle is so different, most of the game is a different experience. Like sure, the story has been spoiled, but I "never" play souls games for the story.
I played a game 6 years ago, then I forgot about it. Now current time I realize there’s a second and third game, so I forget it less than a month. when I got back into the game I knew absolutely nothing. It was an amazing experience.
I forgot already what i learned in this video! i'll rewatch it in a year to re-remember.
I got myself thinking on forget a game sometimes, but there’s a beauty and joy that only the memory can bring. In fact, I try to do the oppose, to not touch the game again, to no “stain” the memory. One example is FFX. I’ll never touch that game again. If I heard the intro music without playing the game, it would be just a nice music. Instead, is a music that brings tears to my eyes every time I hear it. I wish to never forget this feeling.
I’ve been doing boxing lately. I’m hoping I can forget Bioshock one day with a good concussion
I never really get the urge to replay a game until years later anyway. There's so many potential experiences that I haven't touched so running out of games is never going to be an issue. I've never played Nier Automata, Persona 5, EarthBound, etc.
If I erase all my memories of Ocarina of Time to get the feeling of replaying it the first time, I don't think it would have nearly as big of an impact. It's a game I played during the formattive years of my life and I don't think I could feel the same way about it again after having played so many more things since.
The beautiful about souls games is that they are some of the most replayable games out there. Because you don’t really care about the story or the fact that you know what’s coming next it’s just a beautiful game and experience every time you’re on
@11:30 you mention never going into a game blind again. Have you done a video about that topic yet, because some of my favorite experiences were when I went in completely blind and ignorant to what I was about to experience. There’s gotta be something psychological to that.
17:05 As somebody who's had their life changed for the better after playing OMORI about 4 months ago, this made me laugh like a madman; it's absolutely true lmfao
Yeah, I just about started cackling at that joke.
I still remember how my heart broke into pieces when I went to the optional graveyard, read a beautiful speech by the main cast and then cried after I read the words "Do you want to have a picnic with Mari?"
The experience of playing a game for the first time is amazing, but the replays can also feel equally great to me as well. The foreshadowing becomes more clear, seeing all the details in the game, finding new things that were very well hidden, and more just enhances the first experience.
As a direct reply towards your advice, I am *strongly* encouraging you to play Rain World, as blindly as possible. Firstly, I want to share the joy of playing the game with you. Secondly, the game is so different and so interesting on so many levels, and it has such thought provoking themes that I find it impossible for a dude of your type not to not only like it, but to be just "that game" for you. I know it's weird when people beg of other people to "play this game" or "read this book", but I think you know exactly where I'm coming from. Please consider it, but only give it time when you have time to enjoy a huge, complex, and *very* obtuse game.
*inhales* alright you’ve sold me. I’ll add it back to the list 🤔
Before even watching the video, the first game that pop onto my mind is Rain World, because i really do want to forget the game and play it gaain lol
YEES, I've said it SO many times, if there was one game I could forget and play for the first time again, it would be Rain World, and hopefully without accidentally spoiling myself again!
I will play it if you play outer wilds, deal?
@@matheuscabral9618 already did. I liked Outer Wilds *a lot*, and I wanted to like it more than Rain World, but it didn't quite hurt me as good as Rain World did. Nonetheless, Outer Wilds is absolutely among my top 5 of all time.
Metal Gear Solid, when I was a teenager I couldn't understand it. Now after countless hours of youtube essays and intense personal reflection I can never forget it. And I can't help but connect its final message to your final message for this video. Just live ✨️
15:50 Did... did you purposely wear that shirt with that cup design at the start of this part? Then saying to never forget as I start recalling where I've seen this design and how long its been?
yep, years passing deteriorates your memory and though you'll remember some things, you'll forget things and be surprised by those things you forgot. I've argued this this years, but people always argue back that they still remember the beats of the story, which might be partially true, but as I said, they forget a lot more than they remember, they forget the little details between the main scope. I'd argue it's 2-3 years, but 1 year later, yea, it begins to deteriate, sure, but 2-3 years is about that time where you don't remember those little details.
The ending was very well said.
I'm very forgetful. If I am to not read a novel for a couple of years and not really think about said novel, I will forget it and will have to reread it again once I find the next volume.
But with each rereading, the impact gets weaker.
What I prefer when replaying games is changing my strategy, or making up a backstory for my character to stick to through the whole gameplay. I want to see a game through a different mindset, through a different perspective.
Man I have nothing to say about your videos you only make masterpieces just by talking to us. I love you and I will always come to rewatch your videos because I enjoyed them before and of course I don't want to forget them
I kinda don’t want to, because it would erase my actual first time, and I want that to stick with me
I like the place this video ended in because I personally don’t want to completely forget the games I’ve played: when I do replay something, I want the playthrough to be colored and recontextualized by my prior experience. What details and nuances did I miss last time? What happens if I make a different choice for a questline? What does it feel like to move around more confidently in a world I might have explored cautiously the first time?
For me, the point is that the second playthrough (or more) always owes something to the ones that came before. It feels familiar yet changed by the very memories of my first time with the game.
1:31 the joke is on you I'm walking away from this to listen to herald of darkness tight brb
I would like to report this was worth it and Herald of Darkness kicks ass