What is loneliness? | Krishnamurti
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Lonliness comes when all our days are spent in self centredness.
Agreed bhayya
Pain can lead to self-centeredness. I find it's helpful not to become judgmental, but to identify and address the source of pain to help oneself out of falling into this trap of sense of loneliness/self-centeredness.
Very true
Disagree
That’s a “black and white” way of thinking
When I began working, from age 22, i have suffered this phase of loneliness. It was scary. I was scared of losing people. And due to it I entertained many wrong people, who took advantage of me n I suffered. Well this all experienced just made me strong, I let go of all wrong people, didn't look back ever n moved on. In my 30s now, and I LOVE n ENJOY being alone. Yes, I am alone but not lonely. Infact I don't like wasting time with anyone now. I enjoy my time with family, my work, pets/strays, and myself. Being alone is fantastic. I don't yearn for any partner or friend anymore. It's peace now. Also, don't chase for companionship friendship or anything in life, just wait patiently, it will come to you on its own. We waste lot of time whinning n victimizing self, n thus end up cheated by others.
We are never alone limited to ourselves.
Have a joyful life
Just what I needed to read.
I used to be like that , I turned my life around my family especially mother who succumbed to her illness this last month , now I am making desperate try to find anyone to talk nd share my pain , but I find no one ..or none is interested
Absolutely true!
@vision3012 Thanks for this. ^^
I'm 21 rn, and lately, I've been thinking about my phases too. I read your comment and suddenly I felt that your words gave clarity to my thoughts. coz somehow, yes, this is the reason why we entertain the wrong people and end up getting hurt.
Embrace your loneliness with such force and understanding that in time it can only transform into love.
The word love is such a loaded word, filled with false Notions expectations and attachments. Everybody uses that word, everybody says that word. Why? Why does it have such importance when really in the end it's a word that has become merely a grab bag of miscellaneous Notions and expectations and attachments. Why not be free of that word love?
@@grosbeak6130 That's right, sadly it is a overused and broken down word. Actually language as a whole is. But there is a genuine feeling behind all words. This is where we need to go, to the directness of it. In the context of loneliness its about observing oneself peacefully, without judgement or aggression. Still working at it myself. Good luck.
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J.k has explain love as to give not to want or posses or having sex ... it is embracing what it is .. with amazement and rarely comparisons .
@@grosbeak6130 I completely agree, it triggers me everytime, it's like they're high on a drug and they don't even know what they're talking about. I'll just use the word gratitude, it's much better than loOoOoove.
Bla bla bla...use any word you want. But ALSO know it whitout a label, or you know nothing.
My experience of loneliness doesn't manifest from being self centered, it's manifestation comes from protecting myself from people who are self centered
And that's how you are self centered, your egoic self wants to be safe, and no to accept what happens and what IS but it wants to change the present moment, and that resistance is self centered, to really feel that lack of self centredness you must welcome every experience.
So true.. I have been suffering from my narcissistic parents and siblings.
@@bogdanrobu5470 you don't understand what is self centered from abusive people. There is limit for exploitation
One does not need to "protect" oneself, just turn your focus away, like from Television or from food after having eaten. Just go in an see yourself, do not find fault in others trying to call them self-centred, that is none of our bother, we all are... So what? Focus on the rising sun and you feel its warmth. Waste your time on others ego and you only lose time
I move my house far away from my selfish parents, cant understandable friends and others, then changed my phone... now i’m in close nature, cooking, working, reading... and i’m little starting to forgive them for their ignorance, but i have to re-create myself, and starting who i am. Especially in this country “Turkey” i can be a little hard, cause nearly no one knows, and understands about art. And i will write, take films whatever it cost. Cause that’s me, and i love myself... and love u all girls and boys.. just be yourself, whatever it costs
Loneliness got me into taking drugs with other lost souls, then I woke up
If you have souls to mate you in taking drugs you are obviously not alone. Then you woke up alone.
He is the most profound poet I have ever came accross.
I suffer loneliness but I also realize that I am never alone. There are about one hundred trillion microbes living in my body. This may not help since you can't have a conversation with them but it's true. Suffer it consciously is my advice. But we are never alone in our body.
Its Dec 27th 2020 and I don't have to tell you, going through covid quranten has been unbearable for many people - yes? It made me realize that I love my own company and between that, the holy spirit and my chihuahua - I'm never lonely. Filled with love and much gratitude ❤🙏
Helping each other get home🤗
I must be the oddest, although I really don't think so.
I've never felt lonely.
I know what being alone is.
When my husband died I knew I would be faced with the most profound alone-ness as I had lost all my friends (looking after elderly parents) and had no children.
After he died, I felt all that those who suffer bereavement do, and I missed him a great deal and so, so wished he hadn't died. It took over 6 years to let that feeling, those painful feelings, finally go.
But I was never lonely and I'm not lonely now even though I've made no friends (being somewhat physically handicapped makes it rather difficult, so I decide not to worry about it).
Thanku so much for this video.. I found the answer to my loneliness. After listening to this I realised how self centered I am. I can't say how glad I am to have this clarity... 🙏
You were one of the greatest of the greatest and it carries on and on and in Sir 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Great! The word is not the thing. Lonliness comes from our self-centredness.
Again their is difference between aloneness & loneliness as well....All words are futile & dead , unless work with those words to put in self life experiences jus like we daily take experience of food & sleep , if you are hungry & I will share a food book but not the food , is that gonna take away your hunger & more deeper if I take food , will your hunger can go.... ? No.... same is for sleep & self life experiences, their are still tools & processes of ancient masters to work on those experiences of self in live & living transmission....interested.... ???
Love and embrace yourself soo much... So you don't feel lonely with you... You always have you as company.
Loneliness with emptiness is HELL
Loneliness with divine is HEAVEN
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Absolutely crystal clear... Thank you ❤
I’m truly grateful to have found this content and this man
Loneliness gets the better of a great number of us. You can reach out to the stars and exhaust all you own to still have no answer as to what you really are. You’re experience is one of a kind it’s only natural to be lonely
What I love most in jiddu talks is when he stresses on something and ask the audience a question,it sounds like a kid asking his mom/pop something unknown to it.
Most people think loneliness is nothing but full of sorrow and sad..
But very few find loneliness interesting and very happy and it is actually very delighting.
His dissection of topic is so powerful. Happy that I learnt something
Lonliness comes when all our days are spent in self centredness activity.so so true.thinking about only only by myself.
This channel deserve more than 5 stars🌌
Love thy nature. A walk in the wilderness is the best cure for feeling lonely ❤
Thank you very much for adding the link.
Great job by J Krishnamurti foundation.
Thank you .
When the speaker speaks, his 'Why' to me is an invitation. That's how I interpret it. When I bring this inquiry of 'Why', facing my attachment (Not creating the opposite, as he suggests), I can see how this 'Why' can be a powerful response towards my experience. To me it's like the attitude of 'instead of being a slave to this experience, to believe this experience I am having and make it a foundation for my following actions, i turn towards this motivation of my life and I ask 'Why.' Not so much a question, that longs for an answer, but a statemented question that is patient enough to not be dependent on an answer. A stance with the very motivation itself to say, reveal yourself, reveal your substance, reveal your truth, I won't believe you, I will sit here, stand here, lay here, walk here, eat here, bathe here, breathe here, I will feel you, listen to you and bring my attention towards the whole movement with this stance of 'Why.?' The full stop conditions my why to have the strength to not long for an answer. I interpret the speaker to be saying 'Don't ask 'why' intellectually..' because I see how in my nature.. Say, if I am lonely, and I ask my loneliness 'why'.. isn't the motivation of my 'why' fueled by the very loneliness in which I am inquiring into?
So, to me, this why can be very powerful, if it is a feeling why, an experiential why, a why that doesn't depend on an answer, a why that is fed up with believing blindly the movements within myself, the dead fish stories I turn my feelings into.. Then this 'why' can be a healthy attitude, a place of equilibrium, equanimity, connection. A place that trains the mind to stop being pushed by the perpetual motion of thought and frees the feelings and sensations enslavement that lives within the very thoughts that are crafted and created, running through me.
What do you think? Is this a valuable way of using the 'why'?
The why without apparent effort, but rather letting it come from the center of our being
Thank you for this additional very enriching perspective. I am not suffering from loneliness right now but am curious if it would help those who are. It certainly makes sense so will bear in mind when with sad friends, thanks again
@@susana40 Why?
I love you, K.
Thanks for uploading.....
I thought I was going to get the same old same old Krishnaji, but this was enlightening, so to speak
To KFT Very helpful! Thanks for posting.
How does one know what it feels like to be one with the universe if we haven’t first felt true loneliness? Its like there would be no stars in the sky if there wasnt black space to make them really shine. One can’t really exist without the other so dont be afraid of it, embrace loneliness knowing its only temporary and you are not far from being one again.
"It is a time to begin to feel the deeper current of your life, to forge a deeper relationship within yourself. All the great artists and inventors and humanitarians have had to forge this deeper union with themselves, a union with a deeper intelligence within themselves, beyond the realm and the reach of the intellect. Many people who are by circumstance alone at this time do not take advantage of this great opportunity. Perhaps they seek partnership and meaningful relationship, but such partnership and relationship is not on the horizon. So what should they do with this time alone? How can they utilize this great opportunity?
Thank you.
Thank you
Thank you 🙏💞🌷
Brilliance.
This is the most brutal message any human being on earth can hear. We're all afraid of being nothing, nobody.
And that is fucking freedom.
Wow !! What an impressive speech gentleman...
Such a true and honest human
Profound words from the Master...!! i took some time to sink it down... 😊🌼💮🙏🙏✨
We all have an inborn desire to express our potential. It's as undeniable as the acorns need to grow into an oak. When that desire is blocked or thwarted because no one is around who can help us realize our potential, that's what causes the pain of loneliness. We are only as much of ourselves as other people believe us to be.
We *need* to experience ourselves as kind, or passionate, or hilarious, or sensual. But unless there is someone else present to see and appreciate that part of us, it might as well not exist. Consequently, you feel hunger--a hunger for existence. To be lonely is to be a hungry ghost.
So profound and simple, surprised no one has commented ❤
The Man.
* the Goat.
I saw loneliness in my doctor a few days ago... She and her boss looked more frightened than I did :D
Find Solace in Solitude.
🙏 Namaste
Pain (from rejection, etc.) can lead to self-centeredness. I find it's helpful not to become judgmental, but to identify and address the source of pain to help oneself out of falling into this trap of sense of loneliness/self-centeredness.
I agree , I’m sick of all these “ you suffer because you’re egoic , you’re self-centered , you suffer because of your karma” blah blah bullshit . Spirituality doesn’t make you an invulnerable flawless saint .
Very well
LOVE YOU MY DEAR THANK YOU
Muito grato!...
Software always there. It never dies, it never have any friends,wife, mothers, fathers etc. the software do the things according to the situation of told.
Love it , no regrets, calm
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Once you self centered of everything
Look at it.... Feel it...... do you feel lonely
Can you describe the feeling
K.... ❤️
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woooow .... what a revelation!
He is talking about two different things here : First is the concept of being lonely and second is the feeling that causes us to feel lonely .. Regardless , loneliness as a concept is real , can’t be denied or should be accepted .. Humans are social creatures and do NOT do well when they isolate themselves from society . They desire and more importantly need human connection which is one of the components of a good mental health .. So , when you feel lonely , see it as a call to action rather than bringing judgment into the emotion of feeling lonely and start building new meaningful relationships .
Drop the I, there will be less loneliness...
If you have i- eye to see , then see , if you ear to hear then hear .... it's road less travelled..... less & more , will pop up.... although both is different side of same coin....ha...ha...ha.... Bengal Mystic Master before 1200 years written in his sing that "As soon as thought arises , we all travel to the 9 doorways, except 1" .... that the ways of life mystery & magical in Moment2Moment from Known2unknown2unknowable....
Who can drop the I?
Selfish ppl are rarely lonely....jus look around
Thank you so much for uploading such words of the truth by J krishnamurti.
Could you please forward the link of the rest of this episode.
Thank you once again
Here's the full talk: czcams.com/video/YZSvq-99q40/video.html
@@kft thank you
My tinnitus is always there with me
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Damn ...
I Love you sir🙏
Is there constant running water / rain sound? I thought for a minute it was constant applause, which wouldn't be out of place !
I think I've to ground Myself much more to even have the audacity to try to understand what exactly He Did tried to explain Me.
#Honesty is the best policy
You are so authetic in your honest sharing that you are almost ready & ripe to understand such deeper mystical & magical mystery of life.... Are you ready then their are ways & tools & processes to live such highest insights through self life experiences right here & right now in Moment2Moment of existential reality.
@@pravinchandrapanchal1423 @pravinchandra panchal I'd like to think I am sorta kinda ready... IDK TBH... but a certain part within Me wishes to know it and some other part of Me wants to accept the Beauty of the Mystery leaving it unbeknownst altogether.
I belive when the time comes I'll be able to have that clarity.
Thanks for noticing My comment and responding to it.😇🙏💛
Jadduji ,outstanding philosopher of all times.👌
If I remain with an unpleasant feeling without struggling with it or even naming it then it will disappear. I think j k is saying this in this talk.
He is also saying that if I do this, I will disappear. With that, any feeling will disappear because separateness disappears, which is the cause of all feelings. What remains when the I is gone, is pure im-mediate being without distance.
Trying to put forth the basic rather impossible, normally to exhibit to the consciousness...
Loneliness is most profound state of self as even body is taking birth alone and taking death alone. Until there is realization of single cosmic body which has tremendous capacity in space and time comparing to body of meat. You may vary your taste from fear of 'meat' loneliness to fear of cosmic loneliness as well or just put the idea of self aside and just be eternal non perishable 'unity' which has no attributed singularity neither multiplicity.
Almost. IMHO There is a none too subtle difference between loneliness and being alone.
The Spiritual Guru has the power to enlighten the soul whosoever comes to His contact by his discourses or other ways. Guru awakens the person who make efforts to know one self n adopts the path Guru has shown sincerely. Without Guru no one can proceed easily on this path.Under Guru's guidance one enjoys the life as it comes. The concept of duality is vanished.
Then you are clearly under the authority of any guru.
Where is the rest of this talk? The end is just the beginning of the idea... cliff hanger. So do we look at loneliness without “ the world” or should we look at it and focus more on / reconsider the world around us & stop focusing on self?
My thoughts exactly...like..why cut it off there? ..nuts
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Yes i feel this alot also its overwhelming.
*People with different state of mind and live with different spiritual platforms ..
* Loneliness with lower spiritual platform may also make a person as serial killer, mentally ill.
* Lonelineas is for those who are in higher spiritual platform , and not for everyone
*Some people takes from scriptures, some takes from guru and scriptures. Some gain from meditation . Some from only Guru , all according to their own state of mind ...
*Self realization is the key .
Can any one share me the full session please
czcams.com/video/YZSvq-99q40/video.html
Attachment causes loneliness.
Probably because humans are social animals, no matter how much your try you can't live all alone, you need at least one person in your life. For some it's there wife/husband or childrens. Even spiritual Leaders are not alone as they have God with them or so they say.
yes animals in particular - dogs affection is so pure
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Human beings are pack animals. A lone wolf dies young.
I strongly feel that all human sentiments , logics , knowledge and behaviour are conditioned by this or that way. The whole human life is almost conditioned life.
Thumbnail is like charles Xavier
Where Can I watch the rest part of the video?
czcams.com/video/YZSvq-99q40/video.html
@@kft thanks a lot.
Please remove background sound from videos...not at all required..thanks..
So, is he saying that self-centredness creates isolation because we create a barrier around ourselves? Are there not plenty of people who are isolated, for whatever cause, who are not self-centred? Or is he saying that when we realise that we are not separate from the rest of humanity, or indeed being, that the sense of loneliness must disappear regardless of our seeming isolation? Do we create the physical fact of isolation, or just the sense of isolation regardless of the fact?
In my loneliness I learned that life is meaningless, the good gets hurt and the evil prosper. Just stop giving a damn because nobody truly gives a damn about you in the end.. in the end we will all not exist in these bodies anymore
No , I don't agree
Be a light even if this burns you more ..
Don't surrender to such thoughts.
The helplessness and the tragedy of life.
I believe balance must be achieved between the nonsense of life and the importance of being (fruitful / light) in this world.
What you are feeling is dismissive depression from life itself
That's not a lesson to learn !
To just retract and have (no impact ) since everything is going to end and we will not exist anymore..
Use your existence to make lives better .
Starting with your own life .
Run, eat healthy , pat a cat, smile , plant a flower , move and keep moving !
Don't stop moving
Let your fragrance be smelt and your light spread.
Don't surrender .
Why surrender !
It's a tragedy after all and we are going to die.
Untill this moment don't surrender .
Be a blessing
Next word guru me
I am alone, no father, mother, wife but addicted to reading Books, and mobile watching. Is it not loneliness? Or haunted by incessant thoughts. What exactly is loneliness means?
Sir What is difference between loneliness and aloneness ? DrRahul Rohtak Haryana India
You may want to see this In-Depth article on the subject: kfoundation.org/on-loneliness/
@@kft Thanks sir .DrRahul ( old student of Rajghat Besant School , Varanasi ) .
The speaker does not advocate atheism, neither does he advocate atheism. Yet freedom from the concepts and dogma of popular religions is necessary to be truly religious.
4:48,my God,how lonely I am.why he brought God in between a man and loneliness? The moment one thinks about God or something abstract to him,he is not alone.
Have you watched the movie' Cast away' in that Tom hanks creates an image out of a coconut shell and talks to it everyday.does it mean loneliness?
Can somebody help me understand please. I understand that self-centredness is what is causing loneliness. I understand that everything else is farce. A mere escape. But if everything is escape, what is the point of living? How can I just "be". For example, I like playing music and learning a musical instrument, but isn't my pursuit to be good at it also an escape. Isn't internet an escape. Everything, literally every feeling love/sadness/happiness/anger is an escape. How is it possible to avoid all this completely and just BE?
"explanation is not the fact"
what does it mean ?
Are you GG bro? What if GG bro means something in a certain language? Or for a certain mindset? What if the being behind this name is changing all the time? "You", I m calling you you, and you might call yourself "I", or "me", or "GG bro", but whatever behind that mask of words is, is not a word at all. Words are helpful when talking to each other. But we should not confuse them with what's really going on.
Explanations are verbalization, not the actual thing.
Q. Why does one feel the need to comment? 🤔
A. Ego. ☺🖐
Qué sentido tiene publicar este extracto fuera de contexto?
For me, the pain of loneliness is almost physical. It's so intense it's unbearable. Where once I had a large circle of "friends" my ex wife put paid to that by spreading vicious lies. Even my own daughter doesn't speak to me. I don't want to embrace my loneliness, I want company and a life. I don't want to keep thinking "what's the point". I'm sorry, but I didn't find this video very helpful
Embracing loneliness in the wrong way only get you more loneliness. How many people have what you don't have and are still lonely. All levels of life have this attribute. The rich and the poor the powerful and the powerless. All because they do not understand loneliness. There's no question that the heart can be lonely what you don't understand is How Deeply that loneliness can go it is infinite. If you understood the heart you would understand that loneliness can take you into a bottomless pit or take you into Paradise. Who is your god. If you cannot answer this you will be in the bottomless pit of Darkness. I'm not going to get into a long discourse on the heart but I will simply say simply the heart Is Made In God's image and in his likeness it is made no matter what you try and substitute for God the heart will never ever be satisfied because the heart by Nature by Design is divine. Hunger a movement of the heart is meant for God and God Alone and by the way that's Jesus Christ God the Father and God the Holy Ghost. Thirst it's a movement of the heart and it's office it is designed for the heart and it's office is the carry you to God. Longing another movement of the heart who's office is the take you before God. Tears are a movement of the heart who's Ministry and office go before God and speak to God of Your Love. tears are an intercessor 1 teardrop contains 100 volumes of what the intellect can scarcely defined. You sir have given your heart to what is less than God you have given your heart to what is finite superficial and plastic along with your habits and your attachments you are doomed if you do not reject all of the Earth out of love for God
Lonely people are so selfish! They pay the price of spiritual impoverishment.
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