The Incredible Engineering Behind the Formula 1 Simulator
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Today’s racing simulators replicate real-world driving with incredible accuracy, but how do they do it?
F1 drivers spend hours in simulators honing their driving and even trying out setups to use in the real F1 car, and the level of detail put into the simulation is astonishing.
The tracks are accurate to just a few millimetres, and every detail of the car is replicated, right down to the tiniest degree of chassis flex.
But how are games able to match the feeling of a real race car so accurately, and what are some of the genius tricks that they use to do it?
There are a number of clever ways that creators of racing sims have made them as realistic as possible.
Before we get to the cars, it’s the tracks that have an essential role in making a sim as realistic as possible.
The quality of the tracks in a game has a huge bearing on how the car feels, and it’s about far more than just mapping out the circuit accurately to real life.
Just like in the real world, the surface you’re driving on - makes a massive difference. So the games need to take account for this in their tracks and overall physics modelling.
For example, there are many things I notice in real cars that are also present in the games. At Abu Dhabi there are loads of awkward, off-camber corners that create understeer.
And at turn 1 in Silverstone, there is a bump on the apex that can unsettle the car if you’re not careful.
As a result, the most realistic simulators use laser scanned tracks for the most true-to-life car behaviour.
In real life, no surface is perfectly smooth, and even minute bumps and imperfections in the road can have a profound effect on the way a car responds.
Undulations and bumps cause a car’s weight to shift around, which unloads the tyres and requires constant adjustments from the driver to compensate.
They make the car feel alive as a result, so in a simulator, accurately reproduced track surfaces adds a whole other dimension to the driving experience.
And with a good force feedback wheel, you can appreciate the detail of a laser-scanned surface even more, as the wheel reacts to bumps in the tarmac.
Many sims use laser scanning to reproduce tracks and capture this element of driving with insane precision.
These laser scanned tracks contain every ridge, bump and kerb of the real circuit, accurate to the nearest few millimetres. However, this takes a matter of months to capture every detail and can be enormously costly.
However, there is another way. Some sims, like F1 2020, use other data to create their incredibly accurate track models.
To create a track, Codemasters (the developers of the F1 games) use a photographer to capture the details, and the circuit designers share their CAD drawings and architectural renders.
These are the designs that were actually used to create the circuit.
From this, Codemasters are able to accurately map out the path of the circuit, with the placement of barriers, DRS markers and kerbs precisely reproduced.
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You should make a karting video
COOL. your vids are the best in context to formula 1 and motorsport
Does it come with Slow button?
@@chongjiunkit3901 We are checking
@@chongjiunkit3901 hahahahahha
Meanwhile Codemasters: What if we put an outdated sausage kerb right here for no proper purpose since everyone will just jump over them
"The circuits when designed go through a number of stakeholders approval before entering the game"
What exactly do you mean? I mean when the Kerb is on the real track why wouldn’t it be in the game?
@@bigmac9800 most of the tracks have outdated kerb models or some are just wrong
@@mertcan6015 I don't know the tracks well enough to really know which kerbs are wrong, but if this is true... Isn't that a huge problem with this video?
The tracks aren’t scanned very well
Fun fact: Vettel won the Canadian gp in 2018 thanks to Giovinazzi, who worked in the simulator and found a setup great for vettel and the car.
Same for albon in monaco this year for max verstappen
It was also because Hamilton's engine in Canada 2018 was *very* close to failing, hence why he was slower than Bottas at one of his most successful tracks
@@Zacaria0251 get ouuuuut Is there anywhere I can read up on that? That’s a great little nugget fact
Codemasters haven't updated the bulk of their tracks since 2016, are they expecting us to believe it takes over a year of development and a number of stakeholders approvals for them to place a few bollards at Bahrain, to correct the walls at Singapore, and to fix the bus stop chicane at Spa? They won't even update the tracks to reflect their new 2021 configurations.
instead of any of that, we got Hanoi.
XD
Nah not enough time for that. But there is enough time to make an entire story mode which also has animated scenes. Seriously though at least make the track realistic before going full out on extras.
@@deliberation6022 they didn’t add anything they binned the whole classics class to have some crap scripted story mode
@@TinyBearTim So you’re agreeing with me?
Video title: The Incredible Engineering Behind the Formula 1 Simulator
My brain: Ah yes, finally an actual sim racing video!
*proceeds to show F1 2020 footage first*
Lmao same. When I saw this I thought "finally, im getting tired of f12020, especially since the best sim racers talk about how unrealistic it is... oh... Well then."
Photogrammetry is simply incapable of dealing with surface noise.
Codemasters are being simply cheap. Lidar scanning attracts a slightly higher cost, but the surface definition is immensely better.
I can scan a 700meters Kart circuit in a couple of days, up to +- 2mm in height
Photogrammetry would take one day, and only take me to +- 20mm in height.
If you ever race something with no suspension, you know that 20mm is a mountain.
Photogrametry always better in 2d than 3d, what would you use to scan the track? Leica laser scanner?
Can you go even more accurate?
Diaappointing video, i was hoping to see more of the actual F1 simulators teams use, what their rigs look like and the actual ‘game’ . This video mostly went over sim games that most regular gamers have access to
You are rude. I enjoyed it
Sounds like a 6 min ad
this is just an ad for codemasters
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"Festival of Speed" really speaks for it. It is indeed a wonderful festival
It is amazing. Would love to be there once.
Sucks it's been wet conditions today, hopefully Sunday will be dry and sunny for the timed event
I cant believe you talk about accurate sims and tracks and then show f1 2020 gameplay
(edit: some people are just fanboys and refuse to believe f1 games aren't realistic, its just a fact, they are not realistic)
I think you need to go watch Lando Norris lap on f12020 and his resl lap in real life and hesr what he says he took the same lines ssme braking points pretty much the same thing even talked about how and when yoy go in and out of a corner while doing it they did a side by side of his real lap and it was pretty much identical there seems to be this thing going around narrative that it isn't realistic yet Norris proved it was already lol see it doesn't have to have the exact physics to still be realistic there is more into it then that the actual tracks as he's explaining are realistic
It’s just for visual reference, he isn’t claiming F1 2020 cars are realistic.
@@KayJblue exactly if you go by visuals braking points exc. It's realistic in that way which is why the laps look so similar when side by side real f1 laps but he wasn't stating the physics and everything are the most realistic
Well, at least he didn't show iRacing gameplay.
@@sulphurous2656 Still more accurate than codemasters' F1 games. The frustration I feel when using rFactor and Assetto Corsa setups in Codemasters' F1, and not being able to push the car the same way, it's unbearing. I only buy them for collecting purposes.
PS: He showed several iRacing bits.
Chris Goodwin taught me when I did a track day at Silverstone. Really nice bloke and what a driver! Took me out in the car after I'd done my laps and he drove like I could only dream of!
Codemasters F1 games can't seriously be called a simulator
"F1 drivers spend hours in the simulator"
*shows LH*
“F1 2020 uses other data to create incredibley accurate tracks”
I’m not sure about that
I was looking for this comment the moment he said it
Photogrammetry and accuracy should not be used on the same sentence.
Even lidar scanning still needs a trained operator, external control, and a lot of registration QC
Ahh I mean Lando norris lap side by side vs real life was pretty much identical he was even explaining braking points and how and how not to go in and out of corners the laps looked almost identical he legit matches his resl lap time and even used the ssme points for breaking and also how he came out of the corners was the same for it to be that identical it's def realistic therr seems to be this narrative that it isn't yet it actually is and the ones saying it isn't aren't f1 drivers lol I'm not saying the physics are the best but the tracks and points on the track are def closer closer real life then you may think
@@reviewforthetube6485 I create digital twins for a living. Have been doing so for about 2 decades, using laser scanning and photogrammetry. At this point, most of the human beings alive today have seen some of my work.
Laser scanning is the correct procedure to capture what was actually built in the first place.
Construction plans are indicative, and have tolerances built into them (the spec), so can't be trusted for something like a small dip.
Ground effect cars are super sensitive to a few millimeters hump on the middle of the track, that will not be on the plans, nor can be captured using photogrammetry.
Tarmac is a dark fairly homogenous surface, it is incredivly hard to capture detail for photogrammetry. While using laser scans I can capture even the thickness of the painted lines....
@@HTOP1982 well thank God f1 2021 is now 100 percent laser scanned and with the true help of races teams and sanctioned bodies lol so I guess we don't have to worry anymore lol so the realistic argument can be thrown out the window with code masters now since they are doing it correctly
"Drivers spend hours in the simulator"
Shows Lewis Hamilton who is known for not spending time in the simulator
Holy crap, just when you were talking about Silverstone's turn 1 bump (1:17), i was going down the straight in F1 2015 and i tried to prove if it was real.
Yes, it is.
Good to see rFactor getting a shout out. Scott you should give rFactor2 a crack with a laser scanned track like Spa or Monza and the latest content and post some stuff to your second channel. I feel sad that one of the best if not the best (physics wise) gets no love over there! Professional driver feedback is always super interseting to hear.
Thanks for this video. SIM testing will become essential if sprintraces continue.
Teams have now only 1 training to setup car for qualifying. And another for both sprintraces and race.
Guess this will need a mayor catch up to be able and translate SIM results to real life set up. As his last (and 1st) SIM hours. Didn't really show a better start for the car on Friday.
It is good circuits are being scanned onto a digital file. Oran Park in Australia was an iconic race circuit before being turned into a housing estate. Fortunately this circuit was scanned and even though it is only in the virtual world, it can still be driven and raced onto now and into the future.
To really get an appreciation of what an F1 simulator is really like, I suggest looking at the video that Red Bull did a few years ago with Danial Riccardo and an F1 commentator.
"Getting a virtual car to behave naturally on top of this virtual circuit" *iRacing tyres have left the chat*
Actually, if I don't talk about pro sim software, then currently the only game on the market which simulates chassis flex is Assetto Corsa Competizione.
A Rfactor 2 homie, zdravím.
F1 teams: _spend 7 digit sums on creating lifelike simulators which precisely simulate variables using real world data collected on tracks far beyond any game_
Driver61: "So that's basically like F1 2020"
This is way I love sim racing games and simulator
I'm just happy that I've lived long enough to see rockets land themselves, people actually start caring about our planet and games so realistic it is mind boggling compared to playing Pong on an Atari 2600.
A Wendover productions + real engineering video title
Man the first thing I buy after I get a real job is a proper sim racing setup. I've been playing on an xbox controller for too long. Also I'm slightly surprised Assetto Corsa hasn't been mentioned. It's a bit old, but it's one of the best sim racing games ever, though it focused mainly on GT and didn't have a lot of open wheel, downforce-mediated cars.
love these insights, thanks :-)
Pretty much the same (or even more) could be said about the airplane sims and those exist even much longer than the F1-sims.
i subbed - that was a cool video - thanx man
LOVE YOUR VIDS
You should make a karting video
I second this!
Very interesting thankyou👍🇬🇧
Those setup changes for the styrian gp didn’t work so well did they
Yeah I see that new TM wheel... I want it SO BADLY haha
Man i love that sims
Hey Scott, this weekend is the Goodwood FOS and was wondering if you can pretty please do a video on how Terry Grant can drive on 2 wheels
Very interesting thank you
this is exactly i was looking for.
Thx
Yeah, thanks to those guys
I still love me some Gran Turismo.
Do the simulators simulate aerodynamic effects from other cars next to you? I know it does for aero stream behind other cars, but I'm curious about effects of dirty air and such.
In ACC and iracing it is simulated, others idk
The top 3 most serious sims : Iracing, ACC and Rfactor 2 all have their own version of the most complete aero model they could implement. As far as turbulent effects, air going under the car and such, none are superbly realistic if you're looking for a high refresh precise calculation as there's a lot of simplifications, volumes/vectors and so on, as far as I know no sim really gets as deep as having accurate-ish resonance effects, and is one of the reasons why damage and real life strategies and having safer and slower driving setup on your car doesn't matter enough in the games, because they don't reflect damaging effects on some of the parts accurately as you'd need millions of simple calculations worth of computing power(per hz) compared to thousands at maximum, so were definitely atleast a factor of 10, more like 100+ to being "accurate" . Models have simpler, cutoffish formulas with smoother, baked-in effects/transitions per hertz(physics usually refresh at a rate of of 3 digit to four digit number depending on how the software is written. you get the drift;)
To make clearer for you, the computing powr may not be that much of a problem, because reality is actually unknown, every same tire rod and nut are different. So just having enough DATA and vision, AI help probably too, to know how to write accurate simulation, with the right interjections and enough parameters/ programming "style" that reflects real world you won't need a supercomputer to have very satisfactory results with everything you can think of. Old Assetto corsa is pretty simple, but its pieces can be assembled together so well, that as far as force transfer its still pretty good. Even running on an old Xbox One, which is like 500 gigaFlops of available computing power( modern gpu broke 10 teraFlop= 20 times that, already). It's all about data, and damage is directly related to flex and physics, but we approach from the known or approximated/projected known behaviours that are easy to replicate in a sim.
Always wanted to see a video on sims
Does still best setup for every track, every car is 1-1/11-11, on every possible slider? I haven't played this shit for few years, but I still remember that one.
Is this about F1 2020 game or F1 simulators each team uses?
I just got F1 2021 ads for this video… coincidence? I think not!
The things I'd do for a commercial race simulator that's as good the ones that the teams use...
F1 2021 feels very Arcade like, I wouldn't call it a sim. It's just a ideo game, that's all it is.
Usually I love your videos but this time... Like Alonso would put it: A Joke! Are you making an ad for games or trying to inform us about simulators teams use?? Last time you made a video about "the incredible engineering of SIM racing wheels and that was a massive ad as well. Next time I won't even bother with these videos as the rest of your channel features really good content.
Yeah this was a crappy advertorial with wiki-how level content
ah yes. next vid about realistic sim penalties
I find project cars 2 to be very weird, everything feels exaggerated and it takes very long time to adjust after playing something like assetto corsa.
What cars in pc2 more realistic or is it default setup that's makes it difficult?
I found out that simply reducing rake of the car massively improves it's driveability (mostly in GT3).
If the tracks are being scanned for F1 simulators surely there's a way for an official F1 licensed game to get a hold of these scans. Or is that somehow too much data forour little gaming consoles and PCs to handle?
If it's that expensive to scan in a track, surely someone must have had the thought at some point "hey lets sell this racetrack data to a racing game develloper and recover some of the money spent that way".
Or does every team scan the track for themselves, which therefor would make them reluctant to sell those scans for the possibility of giving rival teams an advantage? But then why not sell last years scans. Slightly outdated yes, but probably still more accurate then that method you said codemasters used.
it took me a couple mins to realize the first few scenes were not real😶
Sponsored content should be clearly disclosed at the start of the video, not just after 6 mins and almost hidden.
Also, Codemasters F1 game is not a simulator, far from it, is more of an arcade game then anything.
This video just resulted on some lost of trust over this channel to be honest, I don't appreciate these shady practices to overhype a product without properly disclosure of sponsorships.
Are F1 2021 series already in sim category? Maybe they simulate the atmosphere and rules/regulations but definitely not physics IMO.
Are the G forces so realistic too
I've never used a Steering wheel in an F1 game. Does that visible delay between your steering input and the resulting steering wheel movement in the game not distract you significantly?
You can turn off the in game wheel's animations if it really bothers you
You won’t see it as much in real life. For whatever reason I’ve always noticed that the delay looks way worse when looking at it in video footage. It’s also highly dependent on your monitor.
@@deezy_xd that's the easy way out 😁
@@utry_daniel438 thanks.
@@JakobWierzbowski btw I barely notice any delay with a G29 and a 144hz 1ms monitor
Can u do why this stig so fast
Since trying iRacing in VR, I cannot go back to F1 games until these too have VR and improved wheel integration as the feedback is essential information unfortunately unclear or dull. I'm surprised F1's new marketing company Liberty didn't foresee F1 games as a major opportunity, particularly during the pandemic. Codemasters already had VR in Dirt Rally 2.0.
So if F1 simulators are based on rFactor, is that the best sim in terms of physics?
not rFactor, rFpro
www.rfpro.com/motorsport/
ACC, iRacing (and maybe AMS2) are at least on the same level, if not better in some cases
All the sims are just calculators packaged into a racing game, with different parameters you can adjust. The calculator wont give you the wrong results if all the parameters are correct (and if there are enough of them). It's just really hard to get all the parameters correct and have enough of them to get all the transient effects correct too. rFactor (or even rFactor Pro) is not inherently more realistic, it just has very good capabilities if there is enough data for the car and skill to implement everything correctly.
Christopher Knauf has designed an Open Source Motion Sim if anyone is interested?:
CZcams Channel Link: czcams.com/users/knaufinator
(Not certain if CZcams thinks these are scammer links not a channel lol)
Is there another F1 that doesn’t feel bad?
Were you sponsored by Codemasters?...
this video... yes
FIA be like : we will limit the amount of time spent in the simuator to 20 h in winter testing and 6 hours before each GP in order to reduce costs
Where's the magic button on the simulators? 🤣
Many say the Codemaster F1 aren't true simulators, at least in terms of physics. For me the physics is actually fine, it's not hardcore but still challeges you. But I hate the fact that most tracks in the F1 games aren't laser scanned and as a result the force feedback is generally poor.
wich one is scanned on f1´s game?
@@brunostopar2817 I was told the Zandvoort was laser scanned.
"but still challeges you" Forza Horizon/The Crew too...
@@Gromran Not really. For me at least FH is easy even on highest difficulty and The Crew is more about upgrades than skills. Also there are things these two don't simulate such as tire temperature, pressure, wear.
@@EarthIsFlat456 you didn't understand ...
Codemasters F1 being accurate? XD
Go Codemaster
We aren’t talking about the f1 game right?
Love the channel and the content, but this video title has nothing to do with what is on the actual video
do you think Redbull will sell there engines to other teams
Meanwhile Hamilton: eff that cack
Simulation theorist's be like 🧐
Jokes aside I enjoyed the knowledge from this video well done.
Is this a codemaster ad? You can't compare F1 games to Assetto corsa, Rfactor and the others
2:56 Is it real Racing 3?
I don't think he used footage of a mobile game xD
I thought they were playing f1 2020
i love your content, but realism or accuracy is not really part of the F1 games... its more like educated guesswork, at the best of times.
Tbh this whole vid just feels like a Codemasters ad.
i see that input delay is still an issue, it makes it unplayable for me.
yeah input delay is so annoying, what helps for me is disableling the virtual wheel and drivers hands, it doesnt remove the delay but you cant see it anymore
Golly gee. I have to rush off and buy some Codemaster product immediately!
Poggers
@Driver61 You should play real racing 3 it’s amazing
mobile shit
Wait, this video isn't sponsored by Codemasters?
bro the fact that f1 games have simulation damage model doesn’t make them a simulator game lmao
Where the real racing mobile gamers at?😏
anyone to help me get a 2 months engineering internship in a F1 team ? (not very successful yet xD)
What the fuck is this... just f1 2021 ad lol
Great Video, but F1 isn't a simulation. And the tracks aren't perfect aswell.
and you an F1 driver or what ?
@@sniffi_de no but what he says is true, f1 games are games, not sims. For e.g. rfactor2 is way more realistic
@@sniffi_de codemasters f1 games break laws of physics on every corner. tracks are also not laser scanned and look nothing like the real life tracks.
If they don't update their tracks to the 2021 configuration and don't add the tracks of Imola and Portimao I'm not gonna buy the game.
That would take too much time. But adding a complete story mode with cutscenes, new caracters and model seven F1 legends instead is okay
Imo ACC and iRacing come close to being a perfect sim, that a normal guy can buy.
I heard rFactor2 and Automobilista 2 are similar in accuracy but i havent tested them yet.
The F1 game physics is way too basic. The cars can take huge bumps without getting thrown into a wall (e.g. Baku turn 15). Also small lockups dont really loose you time, whilst in reality if you lock one wheel into austria turn 3, you go really wide into the runoff area. In addition, as it has been mentioned in a lot of comments here, the tracks on the F1 game are partly not even close to reality (Spa Francorchamps is the most inaccurate one imo).
In terms of car setup the game is massive bullshit. Some changes dont even matter and you can drive insanely aggressive setups (you basically have to in high skill leagues), without destroying your tires completly. Also the options are very limited. That being said I dont mind a basic setup system for beginners, but for experienced drivers, they should implement an advanced setup tab. The tires in this game are super unrealistic as well. They can take so much beating and they dont even care. You can drive 100% of the race at full pace without thinking about saving your tires (on most tracks). Also they dont really overheat or start to blister, have flatspots etc. I used to play iRacing a lot in LMP2 and GT3 class endurance racing, and if you go at 100% pace all the time, you will have significant wear on your tires at the later stages of your stint and you can loose up to multiple seconds per lap.
Also track and air temps dont really matter in the F1 game, but I always check the temps in iRacing to know, how much grip I approximately can get and how fast I can warm up the tires or how fast I could overheat them.
Codemasters tracks are just bullshit :)
just compare Silverstone to the real life Track, probably every kerb is wrong...
California Drwamin to Revs to Crammond's GP series to rfactor 1 and 2, and AC and loads more in between. Kids today cannot appreciate how fantastic these games are. Like a few others I was disappointed with this video. Is F1 2021 really that good? Maybe next time you can blag your way onto a proper F1 simulator. Do they still use rFactor 1 Pro or is there now an rFactor 2 Pro?
So hard stuff and engineering, but cross play all platforms they can not! 😑
Talks about laser precision in tracks and hyper realistic car physics
Shows gameplay of F1 game
XD
you know f12020 is not a sim. the simulators you are refering to are sims like rfactor2, acc and beamng. since you are affiliated with codemasters i can understand this, but it is sad to see the real sims not getting a shoutout here due to codemasters influence
Good video but wouldn't call F1 game a simulator.
how do you know that ? you drive f1 cars or what?
@@sniffi_de you are really an f1 game fanboy arent you, its just a fact that f1 games are not sims
@@sniffi_de And you can't even make a round in a real Sim
2016 F1 Mobile Game: Let me introduce myself
tracks are accurate except for codemaster which uses tracks from 2014... cmon codemaster, update your tracks!
Seriously, if they have access to that level of resource, updating the tracks should be no problem.
Sorry but F12020 tracks are not accurate at all. Maybe the surface is well made but most tracks have old kerbs placements or they are just wrong, wider parts of tracks, wrong surface on some runaways... they certainly made a well done representation years ago but now they just take what's already done and change some little things, mostly textures.
No
Im mean its still pretty much an arcade game but good video! 👍
i came