I own a newer 1x Straggler - bought based significantly on Path Less Pedaled reviews. Years later, this review was really spot on. I wanted a gravel bike that approached CX race geometry as close to possible - train on the straggler, race on the Kona Jake. Absolutely nailed it. The straggler is a snappy, nimble responsive bike. The biggest difference besides being steel is the lower bottom bracket, which I welcome. I ride with 700x44 Riddlers, abuse the bike, and it handles marvelously. The ONLY think I dont like is those horrid horizontal rear drops.
Five years later and I'm still rewatching your reviews. This speaks to your relevance to cycling and enjoying the ride. I'll hopefully buy a last new bike before i can't ride snymore. I do love nice steel bikes. Thank you for your perspective on non racing bikes. I'm even considering 650b wheels!😊
I have an older Crosscheck, which I loved, aside from the toe overlap...as a similarly sized rider I know you understand! Mine was a 52 and several times in tight jams the overlap really got me into trouble. I ended up putting a Crust Clydesdale front fork on it and now it’s my de facto nimble cargo bike! 🙂
Awesome review. I ended up getting the Cross Check instead of the Straggler and I really think people should consider it despite it having rim brakes and bar end shifters. It's a great value relative to the Straggler unless you know you absolutely *need* discs. I sold my last cross-like bike that had discs and have no regrets. I am finding the stopping power to be great and I kind of fell in love with the bar end shifters even though I thought I would hate them. I'm throwing this thing down single track while also commuting regularly and it just does everything so well. I think "Monstercross" is really the best way to describe these bikes!
I got a cross check a few months ago and it’s my funnest bike! It’s capable of bunny hops and smashing commutes. I have a Jones h bend bar on it so I’ve dubbed it the land cruiser since I’ve taken it almost everywhere in Boise. The positioning is chill but sporty for me. For me the bike seems to tell you to just ride it wherever on whatever. It’s the best!
CC with Jones bend is indeed great. I ride mine way more often and to places I wouldn’t have thought it work than I expected when I bought it. So fun and comfortable.
@@matthiaskenton7862 I sure do...it’s a keeper, but 700c wheels means any falls are from a little higher up(if you don’t mind,lol). Sweet color, completely modifiable frame comp. FYI, I got a 58 frame and I’m 6 feet exactly, it’s pretty tall...just fits an inch under my groin area without shoes. After doing some research finding a cool used Surly is very hard to do so I went brand new never looked back.
I really like my cross check. Bought it in late 2015, I think, as the full bike. I took it on a ~300 mile trip across the state and it served me well hauling all my camping gear - there was a pretty sharp rock on the trail at some point that took out the rear tire and tube but luckily I was close enough to a major city and was able to patch it up and get a new one on by the end of that day - ready to continue on in the morning. I really like it. If i didn't ever do camping trips, I'd probably want something lighter but the cross check is a great in between that I can take out for touring but also cruise around town with ease.
I bought my Crosscheck in 2011 and I love it. I tried light touring with it last year and I found it to be very comfortable. It's has become my go to bike.
Looks like you reviewed the Straggler 650b. I got the Straggler when it first came out and there wasn't a 650b option. I liked it well enough with the stock 700c wheels. But I'm short, so I decided to convert to 650b, upgrading the rims and other components in the process. It's now my favorite bike. I am running Compass Switchback Hill (48's) and WTB Horizon (47's) with plenty of clearance. I had concerns about running 650b's on a frame designed for 700c, but they were unfounded. The bike rides great. If I were planning to run smaller 650b tires (eg, Compass Loup Loup Pass - 38's), maybe I would have problems with the frame designed for 700's. In that case, I might go for the Straggler 650b frame out of the box. But if you're going for big 650b tires, don't hesitate to get the 700c frame and build up with 650b rims. You will have plenty of clearance. I'm having a blast with mine.
scott newcomer Thank you. I came to the comments for exactly that info. I agree with Russ that I’m not thrilled with the tire clearance , but I wondered if you could get wider by going with 650b on a 700 frame. Looks likes that’s the case.
Great review as always Russ, very spot on ❤Straggler’s always been my dream bike and when I had the chance to get my hands on a frameset at a super cheap price, I couldn’t resist but pull the trigger on it even though I’m 5”8 and the frame is size 56 (700c variant) I discovered to my surprise after I change to 35mm stem and 0 off seatpost it is the most comfortable bike I’ve ever ridden. I can get over the fact that I don’t have the stand over clearance but hey if it’s comfy when I’m in the saddle that’s what matters. I use it everyday on my bike commute running front rack and handlebar bag and pannier when I’m off to my weekend long ride. Best purchase I made 100%
I loooooooooove my straggler! but I ride a lot in the Los Angeles area, but not afraid to take it on the gravel, so smooth compared to all of my other bikes I have used in the city. I think of you guys all the time because it isn't as fast as my other bikes but way more fun and confident traversing through the rough streets of LA. (also, Colorado Springs!) love you guys!!!!!
I scored a breezer doppler pro last year (4/19) from performance bike when they were closing. Similar to this bike. I really enjoy it. Swapped the 47mm slicks for some specialized pathfinderpros 650x47. Great anything bike now. Too bad performance closed up. Oh well, I got that bike for half price! $550
Love to see you test the Marin Four Corners...650b...I have a bad shoulder and this looks like the most upright bike Ive seen in this style of bike...love to see what you think
re: tire clearance, fwiw my partner has a 50cm straggler and has 650x50's in it. They're the O'Donnelly tires that have fairly small knobs, and it's necessary to deflate the rear tire slightly to install it in the dropouts, but she's been running that setup for a while now with no issues.
Hah, probably not, unless you were getting into shaving certain parts of the fenders down. With 45's or maybe even 47's, depending on actual width, I'd imagine you could make it work.
Andrew.. thanks for sharing. I am looking forward to new colors in the straggler and will be getting the Donnelly’s on my ride. Glad Russ has this channel. 🤙🏽🚵🏽♂️ to connect people.
Sweet! I don't remember exactly what rims she has on it, so that'll probably affect things. And the clearance is v tight. But as long as your wheels are true and you're not putting down crazy watts, I think the rubbing would be minimal.
I've had my 700cc Straggler for 3 years now, and love it. - SRAM/Wolftooth 1x11 drivetrain, Paul Klampers, Chris King headset, Ritchey Venturemax bar, Erikson seatpots and a Brooks C-19. From fun sprint rides around the valley to all day grinds to light overnighters, it does it all.
Thanks for doing this one Russ (I'm one of the Straggler owners who said it'd be really interesting to hear your thoughts, as a benchmark). I was quite surprised at just how much more lively you seem to have found it. I've basically been mountain biking on gnarly rocky routes on mine, and while I was definitely underbiking the frame never felt like it was struggling (it left that to me). It's capable for so many different purposes. If you've got any less-tall tyres knocking about I'd recommend fitting them briefly before you return the bike. Lowering the trail (relative to when Knards are fitted) by fitting 700x35 turns mine into a seriously nimble (and fun) road/dirt road ride. It speeds it up a fair bit too. Loads of fun.
I think coming off of some touring and gravel bikes that are focused on stability, it seemed livelier. Actually playful in the front might be a better word. I don't think the frame material itself is very springy but the handling was fun.
I've been commuting on a Straggler for more than a year and it's been a solid and smile inducing bike to ride. Since I have a number of trails between me and work, I often take trail detours on the way home and have loved every minute. I've also ridden it on really technical mountain bike trails, and though hair raising at times, the bike has proven to be bulletproof. I do agree that it can get a little squirrelly when loaded up. On days where I've had larger loads, I've really noticed how it harms the handling. But if I'm not trying to set new Strava PR's on the way to work, it isn't too bothersome. All in all, it has been one of the best bikes I've owned. I love my Straggler!
Thanks for the brief comparison to the midnight special. Would be interested in more thoughts sometime if you have them? Thanks for keeping these reviews coming!
I think they are both lively rides and the main difference comes down to tire clearance. Want more tire? The MS. Happy with 41mm. The Straggler. Although, the straggler does have a nicer looking fork compared to the MS.
Thx for the review of the Straggler. I agree with your comments regarding the livelier feel over the Space Horse. I tried both of them along with the Vaya and have decided to go with the Vaya because of the geometry and fit. I also like the gear ratio on the stock Vaya over the Straggler or Space Horse. However, I still like the Straggler!
On paper, the 700c vs 650b Stragglers are quite different (cs length, bb drop, tire clearance). I wonder if this results in a palpable difference in handling between the two. Thanks for another solid review, Russ!
I have had my Crosscheck for the past 4 years. I have done four gravel centuries and one one the road. It is a blast to ride, I use it as my winter bike too. I have kept it as a single speed which adds to the fun.
Bruce Gordon rock n’ road tires (43mm) are an excellent upgrade for the cc or straggler. I had them set up tubeless on my cc. Confidence inspiring and oh so supple haha
How about a vid comparing all the steel gravel rides? So far, which is your fav?? Ritchey Outback? All-City? Niner? Mone? Surly? Salsa? Velo-Orange? Masi? etc. etc. Man I love steel gravel bikes and I know you do too. Thanks for all your awesome content :)
I’ve loved my “hospital foam green” Cross Check since 2014 for all sorts of mixed terrain and gravel events. I don’t recall what chainring was on it originally, but I’m quite happy with a 36 x 46 with a 32 or 34 in the rear. I’ve been creeping upwards in tire size, and I really like the Continental x 42mm I’ve had on for a while. For my body dimensions and flexibility, I wish the top tube was a little shorter, and the canti brakes are better for aesthetics than stopping, but I’ve been quite happy overall.
Spot on, Russ about how handling is affected especially when you have a front load. I have 2 Stragglers (700c and 650b), one in flat bar and the other a riser bar for more handling control. Steering becomes heavier, sluggish, takes more effort - all comes to fore if you're on drop bars. Just waiting for the downtube shifters to arrive and will be going back to dropbars on the 650b. And may well take out the front rack and basket in the process.
I built up at 650b Straggler for my girlfriend and would like to add that 650*47 (in her case WTB Byways mounted tubeless to WTB KOM i23) tires do fit. It's a bit tight, that's true, but not as tight as something one should worry about. She has the 38 cm frame which is the smallest available and the tires still fit. Keep up the good work, supple regards from Germany!
@@Slow.Smooth Yep, Byway 47 tubeless and without any problems for over seven months now. 2.0 fit, the 47s are about 1,75 and as I mentioned above, they're a comfortable yet tight fit.
I converted an All City Macho Man Disc to the Stagler (after a wreck). Went from a very forward cyclocross geometry to a more relaxed comfortable ride. QQ. What is your take in the rear drop out? I am in a love/hate position with it. It is robust and stable but the two pins makes any tire change (especially trail side) a huge pain. The realignment is alway hard to get perfect and I have even have problems with heavy torque shifting the wheel into the chain stay. Thanks for the comments.
@@PathLessPedaledTV haha i haven't got the frame back from Gunnar yet. Should be the end of september. Went with a whisky fork but id ridden a few gunnars and some hyper XX and i love the frame im looking forward to my hyper XF very much. Fb me and ill send pictures when the frame comes in
I've had two gunnars and currently own a Roadie. Gunnar's use superior tubing that is always air hardened. The frames therefor are a bit stiff, but much lighter than typical steel frames. A gunnar roadie frame is 3.5 lbs for example. For steel, that is lighter than most.
agree with the gearing. i built mine with a 48/32 sub-compact praxis up front and a sram 11 spd 11/46 mountain cassette on the rear and its absolutely fantastic. i tour occasionally on it and the lower gearing really helps out in that regard. funny enough, big apple 2.0's fit on the front and back of my 700c straggler, although just barley (they run small for their advertised width). they're my commuting tire of choice. otherwise I run 43 gravel kings. i'm looking for a good off road 700c tubeless tire to put up front, something with large knobs to compliment the GK in the rear, if anyone has a suggestion.
so im using sram rival brifters (road), which are incompatible with the 11 spd sram gx derailleur (mountain) because one uses "exact" actuation while the other using "x-act" actuation (or something to that extent). their ratios are slightly different and don't talk nicely with each other. it turns out the 10 speed sram gx derailleur and sram rival brifters are on the same kind of actuation. so i use the 10 spd gx long cage derail on my 11 spd 11/46 sram cassette with rival 22 brifters, no problem.
your other option is to put an inline pull adapter between those brifters and the 11 speed cassette. i found one that claims to work but haven't tried it
Always helpful and enjoyable reviews! Any chance for you to look at the Kona Rove ST? I find it an interesting option, here in EU a bit easier to source compared to Surley and Salsa and very much in the same category of your usual bike reviews. Sure, I’m in the market for one but that’s not necessarily why I ask 😂 It’s just that for some reason there are very few reviews on the Rove ST. Keep up the good work!
Path Less Pedaled that's a shame Kona. Won't reply! I'd love to see the Kona rove ST reviewed and compared. It's easier to get in Ireland too and it has good tyre clearance but here find reviews. I'll try nag Kona Hahahaa
Have a Surly Cross Check with a Ritchey carbon fork and a 46/30 GRX crankset. Almost perfect, but kinda looking for something with disc brakes, a little lower BB, and a little longer chainstays. The Straggler has the discs and lower BB, but still short 425 chainstays. What else might fit the bill? Maybe an All-City Space Horse?
I tried a pair of 26 x 54mm rat trap pass tires on my 650 straggler and yes they fit, and yes the rear was super tight but it still rolled fine and i did 25 miles with no issues, so i would think 48's would work
When I called Diamondback about the Haanjo/Haanjenn 3 the rep told me that the website wasn't as accurate as he would have liked and that both bikes actually can take larger tires than the 40c tires listed as well as 650B tires. Raleigh said they haven't tested the Willard 2 with 650B tires but I have seen pictures with Willard 2s running 650B. The Cannondale Topstone Sora is just being released and these 4 bikes makes the best values I can find for around the $1000 mark for aluminum framed gravel bikes. The Topstone does have the largest bottom bracket drop of these but the reps are pushing it as 650B compatible. The Fuji Jari can be had for under $1100, even sometimes under $1000. I think the Salsa Journeymen are the best value if you want 650B out of the gate but aside from that they are a bit on the heavy side for aluminum bikes and you have to pay as much as a Jari for Shimano Sora while the Jari has Tiagra. All these bikes run 46/30 chainrings.
Except for the rear dropouts and color, that frame is very similar to the Soma Saga that I've got. But I guess there isn't really too much variation you can do on bike frames without getting too crazy.
Just checked the geo on the Saga. They probably ride completely different. The Saga has pretty long chainstays and the Straggler are super short in comparison. Would make a big difference in handling.
I have a surly ogre which I traded for etc. both were awesome but I preferred the ecr. Looking for a good computer bike with off capabilities. Does this bike meet that?
Hey #konabikes can you please hook up Path Less Pedaled up with a Rove NRB for review? You guys are really missing out by not getting your new hot model ton this channel.
The lever should be on the nondrive side and when tightened it should be pushed towards the rear of the bike. That way if you happen to snag it on anything it will not come undone.
On a disc brake fork I prefer to put the lever on the drive side, much easier to use without the disc in the way. A lot of thru axle forks have the threads on the NDS and the lever on the DS.
Russ with this video being 3 years old I do not know if you'll see this message. First thanks for the commentary. I'm considering looking for one of these bikes used as I like the 2X option and the current Straggler is 1X but like you I think the gearing is much too high. Two questions: Could the front 2X gears be replaced with two lower gears or does the existing set have that capability. Secondly on size. You and I are almost identical in height. How did the 50 feel for your riding comfort? Again thanks.
I have the Straggler in the video, and changed the whole 50/34 Apex crankset for a Shimano GRX 46/30 with no problems at all. I even use the same front derailleur. The gearing is now much more suited for my needs.
I can't find the bike I want. (and this one doesn't seem to be available any more). I want a drop bar bikepacking bike, 27+, with the NX 12 speed. Ideally, it would be NX *24* speed (2X), to give me more range - I currently have a very old 26" MTB with a huge 580% 3X range, and even THAT doesn't have enough high gear range for the road. I'm not very impressed AT ALL with the pace of drivetrain development.
The 410 mm chainstays on this bike are seriously short, 15mm shorter than the MS in size 58. Is there room for fenders with the knards on? I like the current setup with the 1x apex better. The only thing preventing me from buying this or the MS is the QR axles. QR and disc brakes don't mix IMO. I get a lot of rubbing on my current QR/disc setup and I want to avoid that in the next purchase.
I don’t quite remember if it had tire clearance for fenders, but I would be surprised if it didn’t. Yeah, MS dropouts are weird. That said, the Polyvalent has QR and I’ve been digging it. And the Vayas we have ridden for the last 5 years were disc with QR. So for me, not an absolute deal breaker.
I think it depends on what bike you are use to riding most. Compared to a lot of the touring bikes and gravel bikes I've been testing it seemed quicker. Tho compared to a roadie, probably not so quick.
I thought the size shown is 50cm, is the size ok for someone your height, your 5feet 8 inches, right?? Also, I suppose the straggler can take 27.5x2.1 tyres...
Forgive my sketchy math, but isn't a 27.5 x 2.1 the same as a 650b x 54? Or do we switch from 650b to 27.5 once we're over 2" in width? Also: from the shot you posted of the tire clearance, it looks like there's at least a couple of mm worth of space in there- if you're not running fenders or riding in the mud. No?
650b is a French road Tyre/wheel combo. MTBs historically had 26" wheels, but this was the size of the cruiser bikes wheels *including* the Tyre. 29ers are so called (even though they are 700c road size) as by using the cruiser way of determining size they'd be roughly 29 inches. 650b is roughly in the middle so called 27.5". It's all a bit of a kludge(?) To be honest!
OK Russ - Straggler or Midnight Special? I commute almost everyday, ride weekends and want to try brevets and gravel rides next season. Living in hilly Helena, MT.
@@PathLessPedaledTV Hey there, I have seen multiple people running wtb horizion 650b x47c tires on the straggler. Color aside, would you still choose the midnight special? I'm trying to choose between the two bikes and the latest builds and colors are improved imo.
I had a 62cm Straggler for a few months. I really wanted it to work for me, but sadly, that design just doesn't scale up well. It turns into a noodle at that size. The long tubes combined with a fairly high power output (necessary for someone my size)... It was pretty noodly. I also found the long wheel base limited maneuverability for me. It does make a great commuter/grocery getter, but it seemed sluggish to me.
Thank you for shots with tire clearance! Would it be possible to give actual tire width? Rim width would be nice too but those are easily found online. Quick shot of the caliper with numbers would be great. I had Knards on several setups (650b, 700c and fat 26) and as with any other tire their width is dependent on the rim. Knards in 700c were mostly measuring to true 38mm in my experience.
Yes, I had them close to ~42mm as well. Plus most tires will balloon a bit more if setup tubeless, etc. I don't care much for that level of details in PLP reviews, only want to see numbers: actual width of the tire, shots of clearance at fork, chain and seat stays and how much space at the yok/distance from tire to seat tube
I thought I did in the video :) I don’t have access to both simultaneously but from what I remember they are both playful and more responsive bikes. I would go with the Midnight Special for more tire clearance.
Hows the 50cm relative to your height? Im 5'5 and dont know size to get. I REALLY dislike Top Tubes that 'slope' so i want to avoid a 46cm and rather get the 50cm in 650b tire. Can i pull that off being 5'5"??
I’ve got a fairly old cross check which I’ve owned for around 6 years. I Haven’t had to service it once other than oiling the chain, it still rides smooth and changes gears perfectly. I was looking at the midnight special as an upgrade mainly to go a bit faster on pavement but now I’m not convinced the difference would be noticeable, most of my riding is on pavement and light gravel, any suggestions?
@@PathLessPedaledTV I'm a noob doing research. I'm looking for a steel bike with enough low gears. The (current) spec sheet says 11 - 42 cassette and either 1x (Road): 50T or 2x (Road): 39/53T. Does that mean that I'd be able to get some gears that are even easier than 1:1? Thanks for your great channel, I learn a lot from it.
I own a newer 1x Straggler - bought based significantly on Path Less Pedaled reviews. Years later, this review was really spot on. I wanted a gravel bike that approached CX race geometry as close to possible - train on the straggler, race on the Kona Jake. Absolutely nailed it. The straggler is a snappy, nimble responsive bike. The biggest difference besides being steel is the lower bottom bracket, which I welcome. I ride with 700x44 Riddlers, abuse the bike, and it handles marvelously. The ONLY think I dont like is those horrid horizontal rear drops.
“Lively yet versatile” Yep. That just about sums up my 700c Straggler.
Five years later and I'm still rewatching your reviews. This speaks to your relevance to cycling and enjoying the ride. I'll hopefully buy a last new bike before i can't ride snymore. I do love nice steel bikes. Thank you for your perspective on non racing bikes. I'm even considering 650b wheels!😊
I have an older Crosscheck, which I loved, aside from the toe overlap...as a similarly sized rider I know you understand! Mine was a 52 and several times in tight jams the overlap really got me into trouble. I ended up putting a Crust Clydesdale front fork on it and now it’s my de facto nimble cargo bike! 🙂
Awesome review. I ended up getting the Cross Check instead of the Straggler and I really think people should consider it despite it having rim brakes and bar end shifters. It's a great value relative to the Straggler unless you know you absolutely *need* discs. I sold my last cross-like bike that had discs and have no regrets. I am finding the stopping power to be great and I kind of fell in love with the bar end shifters even though I thought I would hate them. I'm throwing this thing down single track while also commuting regularly and it just does everything so well. I think "Monstercross" is really the best way to describe these bikes!
Hi Max. I doubt between a Crosscheck and a Straggler. Are the brakes the only difference, and the price of course:) The weight? thnx.
I got a cross check a few months ago and it’s my funnest bike! It’s capable of bunny hops and smashing commutes. I have a Jones h bend bar on it so I’ve dubbed it the land cruiser since I’ve taken it almost everywhere in Boise. The positioning is chill but sporty for me. For me the bike seems to tell you to just ride it wherever on whatever. It’s the best!
It’s a blast. Sounds like it would be a hoot with Jones bars.
Bruin Fenton
I have the same set up and it is a blast to ride !
CC with Jones bend is indeed great. I ride mine way more often and to places I wouldn’t have thought it work than I expected when I bought it. So fun and comfortable.
My Straggler 700c, in Chlorine Dream color is on the way...I cant wait to get on the road with it.
do you have it yet, because i am in the market for the exact one.
cheers-Matthias
@@matthiaskenton7862 I sure do...it’s a keeper, but 700c wheels means any falls are from a little higher up(if you don’t mind,lol). Sweet color, completely modifiable frame comp. FYI, I got a 58 frame and I’m 6 feet exactly, it’s pretty tall...just fits an inch under my groin area without shoes. After doing some research finding a cool used Surly is very hard to do so I went brand new never looked back.
I got a Chlorine Dream on the way! I am throwing some slicks on it.
Seems like they listened, can squeeze 47mm in their 2021 model and 1x11 set up all sram. ITS FANTASTIC
Built up a 700c Single Speed straggler. It's my go to bike now.
Great review. I hope you'll be able review the Surly Bridge Club eventually, since you've done the Pack Rat & Midnight Special.
I concur! Might just get the bridge club anyway
I really like my cross check. Bought it in late 2015, I think, as the full bike. I took it on a ~300 mile trip across the state and it served me well hauling all my camping gear - there was a pretty sharp rock on the trail at some point that took out the rear tire and tube but luckily I was close enough to a major city and was able to patch it up and get a new one on by the end of that day - ready to continue on in the morning. I really like it. If i didn't ever do camping trips, I'd probably want something lighter but the cross check is a great in between that I can take out for touring but also cruise around town with ease.
I bought my Crosscheck in 2011 and I love it. I tried light touring with it last year and I found it to be very comfortable. It's has become my go to bike.
Looks like you reviewed the Straggler 650b. I got the Straggler when it first came out and there wasn't a 650b option. I liked it well enough with the stock 700c wheels. But I'm short, so I decided to convert to 650b, upgrading the rims and other components in the process. It's now my favorite bike. I am running Compass Switchback Hill (48's) and WTB Horizon (47's) with plenty of clearance. I had concerns about running 650b's on a frame designed for 700c, but they were unfounded. The bike rides great.
If I were planning to run smaller 650b tires (eg, Compass Loup Loup Pass - 38's), maybe I would have problems with the frame designed for 700's. In that case, I might go for the Straggler 650b frame out of the box. But if you're going for big 650b tires, don't hesitate to get the 700c frame and build up with 650b rims. You will have plenty of clearance.
I'm having a blast with mine.
scott newcomer Thank you. I came to the comments for exactly that info. I agree with Russ that I’m not thrilled with the tire clearance , but I wondered if you could get wider by going with 650b on a 700 frame. Looks likes that’s the case.
Awesome. Stoked there are more 650b options now so we don't have to do conversions.
Thanks for the info. I was wanting to know if 650bx47 Horizons/Byways would clear this frame and fork. Good to know the 700c model will do this
Great review as always Russ, very spot on ❤Straggler’s always been my dream bike and when I had the chance to get my hands on a frameset at a super cheap price, I couldn’t resist but pull the trigger on it even though I’m 5”8 and the frame is size 56 (700c variant)
I discovered to my surprise after I change to 35mm stem and 0 off seatpost it is the most comfortable bike I’ve ever ridden. I can get over the fact that I don’t have the stand over clearance but hey if it’s comfy when I’m in the saddle that’s what matters. I use it everyday on my bike commute running front rack and handlebar bag and pannier when I’m off to my weekend long ride. Best purchase I made 100%
I loooooooooove my straggler! but I ride a lot in the Los Angeles area, but not afraid to take it on the gravel, so smooth compared to all of my other bikes I have used in the city. I think of you guys all the time because it isn't as fast as my other bikes but way more fun and confident traversing through the rough streets of LA. (also, Colorado Springs!) love you guys!!!!!
I scored a breezer doppler pro last year (4/19) from performance bike when they were closing. Similar to this bike. I really enjoy it. Swapped the 47mm slicks for some specialized pathfinderpros 650x47. Great anything bike now. Too bad performance closed up. Oh well, I got that bike for half price! $550
I bought my 700c Straggler last year and I love it. It's definitely one of the best all-around bikes I've ever owned.
I dig my Straggler. It took me a while to figure out how to throw around a bike with as low of a bottom bracket as the Straggler has.
MJ crites pedal strikes ?
Mint green one?
Finally a non-cleats pedal gravel bike 👏🏻
Don’t know if you noticed that is all the bikes on the channel.
Love to see you test the Marin Four Corners...650b...I have a bad shoulder and this looks like the most upright bike Ive seen in this style of bike...love to see what you think
when? can you give me the link to the vid?
That front wheel QR is scary 😂
Thanks for comparing this with the midnight special. I've been looking at switching out my crosscheck to a midnight special recently.
re: tire clearance, fwiw my partner has a 50cm straggler and has 650x50's in it. They're the O'Donnelly tires that have fairly small knobs, and it's necessary to deflate the rear tire slightly to install it in the dropouts, but she's been running that setup for a while now with no issues.
Good to know. Could you run fenders too?
Hah, probably not, unless you were getting into shaving certain parts of the fenders down. With 45's or maybe even 47's, depending on actual width, I'd imagine you could make it work.
Andrew.. thanks for sharing. I am looking forward to new colors in the straggler and will be getting the Donnelly’s on my ride. Glad Russ has this channel. 🤙🏽🚵🏽♂️ to connect people.
Sweet! I don't remember exactly what rims she has on it, so that'll probably affect things. And the clearance is v tight. But as long as your wheels are true and you're not putting down crazy watts, I think the rubbing would be minimal.
I've had my 700cc Straggler for 3 years now, and love it. - SRAM/Wolftooth 1x11 drivetrain, Paul Klampers, Chris King headset, Ritchey Venturemax bar, Erikson seatpots and a Brooks C-19. From fun sprint rides around the valley to all day grinds to light overnighters, it does it all.
What Sram groupset are you using?
Thanks for doing this one Russ (I'm one of the Straggler owners who said it'd be really interesting to hear your thoughts, as a benchmark). I was quite surprised at just how much more lively you seem to have found it. I've basically been mountain biking on gnarly rocky routes on mine, and while I was definitely underbiking the frame never felt like it was struggling (it left that to me). It's capable for so many different purposes.
If you've got any less-tall tyres knocking about I'd recommend fitting them briefly before you return the bike. Lowering the trail (relative to when Knards are fitted) by fitting 700x35 turns mine into a seriously nimble (and fun) road/dirt road ride. It speeds it up a fair bit too. Loads of fun.
I think coming off of some touring and gravel bikes that are focused on stability, it seemed livelier. Actually playful in the front might be a better word. I don't think the frame material itself is very springy but the handling was fun.
I've been commuting on a Straggler for more than a year and it's been a solid and smile inducing bike to ride. Since I have a number of trails between me and work, I often take trail detours on the way home and have loved every minute. I've also ridden it on really technical mountain bike trails, and though hair raising at times, the bike has proven to be bulletproof. I do agree that it can get a little squirrelly when loaded up. On days where I've had larger loads, I've really noticed how it harms the handling. But if I'm not trying to set new Strava PR's on the way to work, it isn't too bothersome. All in all, it has been one of the best bikes I've owned. I love my Straggler!
2014 Straggler with 18,000 miles under it. ‘Nuff said I suppose.
Thanks for the brief comparison to the midnight special. Would be interested in more thoughts sometime if you have them?
Thanks for keeping these reviews coming!
I think they are both lively rides and the main difference comes down to tire clearance. Want more tire? The MS. Happy with 41mm. The Straggler. Although, the straggler does have a nicer looking fork compared to the MS.
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Thx for the review of the Straggler. I agree with your comments regarding the livelier feel over the Space Horse. I tried both of them along with the Vaya and have decided to go with the Vaya because of the geometry and fit. I also like the gear ratio on the stock Vaya over the Straggler or Space Horse. However, I still like the Straggler!
Its a great bike!
On paper, the 700c vs 650b Stragglers are quite different (cs length, bb drop, tire clearance). I wonder if this results in a palpable difference in handling between the two. Thanks for another solid review, Russ!
Thanks. I think the geo changes should account for wheel size.
I have had my Crosscheck for the past 4 years. I have done four gravel centuries and one one the road. It is a blast to ride, I use it as my winter bike too. I have kept it as a single speed which adds to the fun.
I can see why its a popular bike!
I agree , it needs more tire clearance!
Bruce Gordon rock n’ road tires (43mm) are an excellent upgrade for the cc or straggler. I had them set up tubeless on my cc. Confidence inspiring and oh so supple haha
BG rock and roads are OG supple life.
Ohhhh, I like that. I've got Teravail's file tread on there now, but wet season is coming.
How about a vid comparing all the steel gravel rides? So far, which is your fav?? Ritchey Outback? All-City? Niner? Mone? Surly? Salsa? Velo-Orange? Masi? etc. etc. Man I love steel gravel bikes and I know you do too. Thanks for all your awesome content :)
Summary vid soon. 2 more reviews first.
SWEET!!!!!
Own a 700c one - LOVE IT!
I’ve loved my “hospital foam green” Cross Check since 2014 for all sorts of mixed terrain and gravel events. I don’t recall what chainring was on it originally, but I’m quite happy with a 36 x 46 with a 32 or 34 in the rear. I’ve been creeping upwards in tire size, and I really like the Continental x 42mm I’ve had on for a while. For my body dimensions and flexibility, I wish the top tube was a little shorter, and the canti brakes are better for aesthetics than stopping, but I’ve been quite happy overall.
Spot on, Russ about how handling is affected especially when you have a front load. I have 2 Stragglers (700c and 650b), one in flat bar and the other a riser bar for more handling control. Steering becomes heavier, sluggish, takes more effort - all comes to fore if you're on drop bars. Just waiting for the downtube shifters to arrive and will be going back to dropbars on the 650b. And may well take out the front rack and basket in the process.
I built up at 650b Straggler for my girlfriend and would like to add that 650*47 (in her case WTB Byways mounted tubeless to WTB KOM i23) tires do fit. It's a bit tight, that's true, but not as tight as something one should worry about. She has the 38 cm frame which is the smallest available and the tires still fit. Keep up the good work, supple regards from Germany!
Thanks for the heads up.
So you definitely fit the Byway 47? Im about to order in a 50 and 41s are not that big! Ive been told it can fit a 2.0
@@Slow.Smooth Yep, Byway 47 tubeless and without any problems for over seven months now. 2.0 fit, the 47s are about 1,75 and as I mentioned above, they're a comfortable yet tight fit.
Nice review Russ ! No words about the adjustable wheelbase tho? cheers
Good review - I'd be happy with either one...
I have a mint green one and I love this thing
I converted an All City Macho Man Disc to the Stagler (after a wreck). Went from a very forward cyclocross geometry to a more relaxed comfortable ride.
QQ. What is your take in the rear drop out? I am in a love/hate position with it. It is robust and stable but the two pins makes any tire change (especially trail side) a huge pain. The realignment is alway hard to get perfect and I have even have problems with heavy torque shifting the wheel into the chain stay. Thanks for the comments.
debated it for many months decided on a Gunnar Hyper XF, but was very very very tempted by the Straggler, Space Horse,and soma double cross disc
How do you like the Gunnar?
@@PathLessPedaledTV haha i haven't got the frame back from Gunnar yet. Should be the end of september. Went with a whisky fork but id ridden a few gunnars and some hyper XX and i love the frame im looking forward to my hyper XF very much. Fb me and ill send pictures when the frame comes in
I've had two gunnars and currently own a Roadie. Gunnar's use superior tubing that is always air hardened. The frames therefor are a bit stiff, but much lighter than typical steel frames. A gunnar roadie frame is 3.5 lbs for example. For steel, that is lighter than most.
@@PathLessPedaledTV well i got my frame and fork back just saving up for campagnolo now, the finish was perfect.
agree with the gearing. i built mine with a 48/32 sub-compact praxis up front and a sram 11 spd 11/46 mountain cassette on the rear and its absolutely fantastic. i tour occasionally on it and the lower gearing really helps out in that regard. funny enough, big apple 2.0's fit on the front and back of my 700c straggler, although just barley (they run small for their advertised width). they're my commuting tire of choice. otherwise I run 43 gravel kings. i'm looking for a good off road 700c tubeless tire to put up front, something with large knobs to compliment the GK in the rear, if anyone has a suggestion.
what derailuer are you using? thinking of a similar conversion. I want full mtn. touring triple gears and that combo gets you there.
so im using sram rival brifters (road), which are incompatible with the 11 spd sram gx derailleur (mountain) because one uses "exact" actuation while the other using "x-act" actuation (or something to that extent). their ratios are slightly different and don't talk nicely with each other. it turns out the 10 speed sram gx derailleur and sram rival brifters are on the same kind of actuation. so i use the 10 spd gx long cage derail on my 11 spd 11/46 sram cassette with rival 22 brifters, no problem.
your other option is to put an inline pull adapter between those brifters and the 11 speed cassette. i found one that claims to work but haven't tried it
Great review. Thanks!
Always helpful and enjoyable reviews! Any chance for you to look at the Kona Rove ST? I find it an interesting option, here in EU a bit easier to source compared to Surley and Salsa and very much in the same category of your usual bike reviews.
Sure, I’m in the market for one but that’s not necessarily why I ask 😂 It’s just that for some reason there are very few reviews on the Rove ST.
Keep up the good work!
Would love to review a 650b Kona bike. I’ve tried multiple times but they won’t return emails. I think they hate us for some strange reason.
Path Less Pedaled that's a shame Kona. Won't reply! I'd love to see the Kona rove ST reviewed and compared. It's easier to get in Ireland too and it has good tyre clearance but here find reviews. I'll try nag Kona Hahahaa
FWIW, They won’t return my emails either. A real turn off and makes me question whether I want to buy one of their bikes.
How did the 50cm frame fit you, Russ? I think you’ve said you typically ride a 52cm on most bikes?
Thanks for a ton of information!!
Have a Surly Cross Check with a Ritchey carbon fork and a 46/30 GRX crankset. Almost perfect, but kinda looking for something with disc brakes, a little lower BB, and a little longer chainstays. The Straggler has the discs and lower BB, but still short 425 chainstays. What else might fit the bill? Maybe an All-City Space Horse?
Love my straggler! Any suggestions on a rear rack set up for Bikepacking?
Straggler is SS compatible, Midnight Special is not. I think that woulda been good to mention! For us fixie/SS friends out here :)
Fixed gear still a thing? :)
Just bought one!!
I tried a pair of 26 x 54mm rat trap pass tires on my 650 straggler and yes they fit, and yes the rear was super tight but it still rolled fine and i did 25 miles with no issues, so i would think 48's would work
Good to know.
Straggler fits 700x45c, atleast mine is :)
I'm going to keep voting for the Fuji Jari 1.7 and the Diamondback Haanjo 3 and maybe even the Raleigh Willard 2.
Haven’t had any luck connecting with Fuji or Diamondback (haanjo looks sweet!).
When I called Diamondback about the Haanjo/Haanjenn 3 the rep told me that the website wasn't as accurate as he would have liked and that both bikes actually can take larger tires than the 40c tires listed as well as 650B tires. Raleigh said they haven't tested the Willard 2 with 650B tires but I have seen pictures with Willard 2s running 650B. The Cannondale Topstone Sora is just being released and these 4 bikes makes the best values I can find for around the $1000 mark for aluminum framed gravel bikes. The Topstone does have the largest bottom bracket drop of these but the reps are pushing it as 650B compatible. The Fuji Jari can be had for under $1100, even sometimes under $1000. I think the Salsa Journeymen are the best value if you want 650B out of the gate but aside from that they are a bit on the heavy side for aluminum bikes and you have to pay as much as a Jari for Shimano Sora while the Jari has Tiagra. All these bikes run 46/30 chainrings.
I'm personally debating between the 700c and the 650b Straggler, anyone here have an opinion on which they like best?
I am also debating between the two, what’s you end up with?
IF you're tall go 700 if short 650
I really love this bike. But I don't have a lot of money to buy a bike like this😢
Except for the rear dropouts and color, that frame is very similar to the Soma Saga that I've got. But I guess there isn't really too much variation you can do on bike frames without getting too crazy.
Just checked the geo on the Saga. They probably ride completely different. The Saga has pretty long chainstays and the Straggler are super short in comparison. Would make a big difference in handling.
I have a surly ogre which I traded for etc. both were awesome but I preferred the ecr. Looking for a good computer bike with off capabilities. Does this bike meet that?
Hey #konabikes can you please hook up Path Less Pedaled up with a Rove NRB for review? You guys are really missing out by not getting your new hot model ton this channel.
They did 2 months ago? czcams.com/video/JR6hXEN24wY/video.html
@@siffoine Haha
Really liked the review as I am thinking of a purchase of used model. Wondering if the crank will support a somewhat wider range cassette in the rear?
Crank should. Dont know about the rear DR.
It's size 50 and nice color, how tall are you man?
thinkI he got it wrong size on this one, he got the 46 instead of 50!
please fix that front skewer..
What’s wrong with it?
The lever should be on the nondrive side and when tightened it should be pushed towards the rear of the bike. That way if you happen to snag it on anything it will not come undone.
On a disc brake fork I prefer to put the lever on the drive side, much easier to use without the disc in the way. A lot of thru axle forks have the threads on the NDS and the lever on the DS.
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What’s the biggest 650b tire you can put on the straggler
Nice review! I have been interested in straggler for awhile. Can you run 700c wheels in 650b frame?
In theory you could but might as well get the 700c version.
if I wasn't over a foot taller than you, I'd send you my VO piolet to review lol =[
im in love with the frame too... how do you like it if I may ask??? What kinda terrain do you ride most??
Russ with this video being 3 years old I do not know if you'll see this message. First thanks for the commentary. I'm considering looking for one of these bikes used as I like the 2X option and the current Straggler is 1X but like you I think the gearing is much too high.
Two questions: Could the front 2X gears be replaced with two lower gears or does the existing set have that capability.
Secondly on size. You and I are almost identical in height. How did the 50 feel for your riding comfort?
Again thanks.
I have the Straggler in the video, and changed the whole 50/34 Apex crankset for a Shimano GRX 46/30 with no problems at all. I even use the same front derailleur. The gearing is now much more suited for my needs.
Nice review. How many teeth, front and back?
I can't find the bike I want. (and this one doesn't seem to be available any more). I want a drop bar bikepacking bike, 27+, with the NX 12 speed. Ideally, it would be NX *24* speed (2X), to give me more range - I currently have a very old 26" MTB with a huge 580% 3X range, and even THAT doesn't have enough high gear range for the road. I'm not very impressed AT ALL with the pace of drivetrain development.
Do a review on velo orange piolet
Oh. Would love to do so. They are a small company so demos are hard to come by.
The 410 mm chainstays on this bike are seriously short, 15mm shorter than the MS in size 58. Is there room for fenders with the knards on? I like the current setup with the 1x apex better. The only thing preventing me from buying this or the MS is the QR axles. QR and disc brakes don't mix IMO. I get a lot of rubbing on my current QR/disc setup and I want to avoid that in the next purchase.
I don’t quite remember if it had tire clearance for fenders, but I would be surprised if it didn’t. Yeah, MS dropouts are weird. That said, the Polyvalent has QR and I’ve been digging it. And the Vayas we have ridden for the last 5 years were disc with QR. So for me, not an absolute deal breaker.
On the 700C there's clearance for guards/fenders with 41mm knards, so I would strongly expect the 650B would have room too.
I find Cross Check front end quite sluggish and boring going on road. I guess it might be the medium- high trail and Steel fork combination
I think it depends on what bike you are use to riding most. Compared to a lot of the touring bikes and gravel bikes I've been testing it seemed quicker. Tho compared to a roadie, probably not so quick.
It's really great for sitting up to eat real food on gravel rides.
Have you reviewed any aluminum bikes that can be used for touring? Do you much prefer steel? What about carbon?
Salsa Journeyman, Kona Rove NRB DL. Yes. Prefer steel. Carbon is fine.
I thought the size shown is 50cm, is the size ok for someone your height, your 5feet 8 inches, right?? Also, I suppose the straggler can take 27.5x2.1 tyres...
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Have you tried the ridgeback voyage world?
Need a gravel/road bike for towing my toddler in a Burley trailer. Anybody have experience with this bike doing the same? Or suggest other bikes?
Hi Russ. What are you using to hold the bear spray on the handlebar? Thank you.
A variety of diff stem bags from Swift and Revelate.
@@PathLessPedaledTV Thanks Russ. Keep the channel awesomeness going. Respect from Jasper Alberta Canada. ✌
Looks like this Surly company makes rugged reliable bikes.
Forgive my sketchy math, but isn't a 27.5 x 2.1 the same as a 650b x 54? Or do we switch from 650b to 27.5 once we're over 2" in width?
Also: from the shot you posted of the tire clearance, it looks like there's at least a couple of mm worth of space in there- if you're not running fenders or riding in the mud. No?
It's the same, but the convention is to use 27.5 when speaking in inches. It's how its marked on the tire, so that's what I'm going with.
650b is a French road Tyre/wheel combo. MTBs historically had 26" wheels, but this was the size of the cruiser bikes wheels *including* the Tyre. 29ers are so called (even though they are 700c road size) as by using the cruiser way of determining size they'd be roughly 29 inches. 650b is roughly in the middle so called 27.5". It's all a bit of a kludge(?) To be honest!
OK Russ - Straggler or Midnight Special? I commute almost everyday, ride weekends and want to try brevets and gravel rides next season. Living in hilly Helena, MT.
I personally would lean Midnight Special so I can put 47mm tires in there. Not a fan of the boring white paint tho.
That's about where I am too. Love your work - please keep on the good path (less pedaled).
@@PathLessPedaledTV Hey there, I have seen multiple people running wtb horizion 650b x47c tires on the straggler. Color aside, would you still choose the midnight special? I'm trying to choose between the two bikes and the latest builds and colors are improved imo.
@@Frank_Denver Yeah. The MS is a fun bike if you like something pretty responsive.
I had a 62cm Straggler for a few months. I really wanted it to work for me, but sadly, that design just doesn't scale up well. It turns into a noodle at that size. The long tubes combined with a fairly high power output (necessary for someone my size)... It was pretty noodly. I also found the long wheel base limited maneuverability for me. It does make a great commuter/grocery getter, but it seemed sluggish to me.
Yeah, I think in the larger sizes 650b does not make sense.
Hi, I am 5.5 ft tall. Will it be good for me if i take size 50 ?
Thank you for shots with tire clearance! Would it be possible to give actual tire width? Rim width would be nice too but those are easily found online. Quick shot of the caliper with numbers would be great. I had Knards on several setups (650b, 700c and fat 26) and as with any other tire their width is dependent on the rim. Knards in 700c were mostly measuring to true 38mm in my experience.
For an extra data point, my 700C Knards measure 41mm on a 23mm (internal) MTB rim.
I'd be down for donating a caliper!
Yes, I had them close to ~42mm as well. Plus most tires will balloon a bit more if setup tubeless, etc. I don't care much for that level of details in PLP reviews, only want to see numbers: actual width of the tire, shots of clearance at fork, chain and seat stays and how much space at the yok/distance from tire to seat tube
We've got a digi caliper! Will try to remember to do more tire measurements.
Wonder how it compares to the instagator
He should review one
So now you've tried both the Straggler 650B and the Midnight Special - Please compare.
I thought I did in the video :) I don’t have access to both simultaneously but from what I remember they are both playful and more responsive bikes. I would go with the Midnight Special for more tire clearance.
Does it plane? Do you know the tube thickness and diameters?
This also looks very similar to the Soma Double Cross Disc.
I have to ask? Are these videos that you do like this one directed towards shorter people? Just wondering. I'm 6ft 6in.
Not necessarily but I am short so those are the bikes I review.
Hows the 50cm relative to your height? Im 5'5 and dont know size to get. I REALLY dislike Top Tubes that 'slope' so i want to avoid a 46cm and rather get the 50cm in 650b tire. Can i pull that off being 5'5"??
What’s your inseam?
Have you reviewed a Salsa Fargo?
Haven't reviewed a Fargo, but can add it to the list!
Hai i want ask ?
my weight is 130 kg (286 lb), Is it possible for me to build surly ?
Just now i use mtb ...
Thanks for the answer ..
Yes. But for that weight would look at bike with a wider tire. In the 2.1 to 2.3 inch range.
@@PathLessPedaledTV what size wheel recommended on surly. On mtb i use wbt 600c 47c
I’ve got a fairly old cross check which I’ve owned for around 6 years. I Haven’t had to service it once other than oiling the chain, it still rides smooth and changes gears perfectly. I was looking at the midnight special as an upgrade mainly to go a bit faster on pavement but now I’m not convinced the difference would be noticeable, most of my riding is on pavement and light gravel, any suggestions?
MS has thru-axles & flat mount disc brakes... more than just tire clearance to consider
Did a size 50 , not feel small to you?
Surly measures their sizing off the seat tube and not the top tube. So it has a 52 effective top tube.
Ok so you don't like the straggler, midnight special and others so what bike do you like ?
One can easily run a 650x47 on a straggler.
Straggler 700c or 650b. It looked pretty tight in the rear.
I run 650b wtb horizons on mine, a size 46 frame, and have no clearance issues.
How much room do you have on either side of the tire?
You say the cassette is 11 - 32 but Surly's spec sheet says 11 - 42.
Well clearly they changed to 1x from 2x since the review.
@@PathLessPedaledTV I'm a noob doing research. I'm looking for a steel bike with enough low gears. The (current) spec sheet says 11 - 42 cassette and either 1x (Road): 50T
or 2x (Road): 39/53T. Does that mean that I'd be able to get some gears that are even easier than 1:1?
Thanks for your great channel, I learn a lot from it.
Max clearance for 700c?
Yes
@@PathLessPedaledTV size 42 for 700 right?
Can straggler 50 cm frame hold 26 x 2.15 DTH Maxxis ?
Do you guys still have the vayas?
Yeah. They are actually the bikes we probably ride the most. Regulated to commuter duty, but used every day.
@@PathLessPedaledTV awesome. Your channel is part of the reason I have mine. Keep up the great work