“WE ARE NOT WILLING TO WAIT ANOTHER 100 YEARS” Malcolm X, James Baldwin 60 Yrs Later Still Relevant
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- This debate was held in 1961 featuring #MalcolmX, #JamesBaldwin, Charles Eric Lincoln, George Samuel Schuyle and moderated by Eric P. Goldman. Almost sixty years later and the same conversations are still taking place. Many times during this conversation the moderator and his other guests all get on code, interrupt, gaslight and deflect from addressing the facts that Malcolm X and James Baldwin present. Just about every point that they bring up is still relative to today. It’s important to understand history because it can and will repeat itself. #justiceforgeorgefloyd #justiceforahmaud #justiceforbreonnataylor #unity #riseup #mobilize #organize #supportblackownedbusiness
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The way James Baldwin speaks with such intelligence and the way Malcolm X speaks with power and strong conviction is the goal in life!!!! These men were a blessing to the black community and they will never be forgotten❤🔥👊
The sad part my beautiful young lady is A lot of my brothers who's not that educated do not know who Mr.Baldwin is,but I assure you I try my best to put them up on game! And yes these two men were before there time!
Malcom was too forward, how can you expect to see growth in a white-owned society when you're so militant?
Malcolm X and James Baldwin are and will forever be champions. The power, knowledge and vision shared between these 2 great men are forever needed ❤🖤💚 Support black independent media 💚🖤❤
They both were great orators; the world had to offer. They were prophets: Just, look at the America we are living in. Their speeches can be read aloud tomorrow.
Two of the greatest literary and socioeconomic political revolutionary speakers Harlem has ever produced.
"In the past we learned that politicians had promised but never delivered. "
FACTS!!! THEY MADE THINGS MORE CRITICAL FOR ALL OF THE GENERATIONS OF THE FUTURE FOR FAILING TO KEEP GOD FIRST AND ATTEMPTING TO TAKE MATTERS IN THEIR OWN HANDS!!!!
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The problem isn't the politicians not keeping their promises. The problem is people actually waiting on them to do so
Yup. No change. Left or right. Malcolm wouldn't believe his eyes that we're STILL having these discussions. Smh.
That much is still 110% true
Malcolm x , what a man , he was just preaching equality and every thing he said is still true in 2021.-... what a man
*equity
Bullshit, malcom X subscribed to some pretty awful ideas. Antisemitism is a good place to start
@@hoagielamp6543 Bullshit to you. I see you in these comment sections blindly hating on this man. You've probably listened to very few of his speeches and know little of him, since his perspective completely changed in the final months of his life.
I love the facts that both Malcom X and James Baldwin is spouting here!!
Notice how Malcom X is always cut off when he’s exposing lies or making sense?
Every single time. The moderator was very disrespectful to Malcolm and the “Muslim movement.”
He is so strong man. I would have got gassed up after the first few times. The epitome of an inspirational man
Malcolm X Was The Man! I Prefer Him Over Elijah Muhammad & Louis Farrakhan!
Malcolm learned all that he knew and said from the Most Honorable Elijah Muhammed...You can't praise the student with praising the one who taught him.
@@therionduncan9820 Malcolm outgrew them both. He would have been truly great had he lived because he sought truth and only TRUTH, agenda-free.
Don't believe in that religion but a lot he have said Yesterday is still ringing loud STILL!!!
@@denisebyrd5379 As Malcolm always said, his conflict with the Nation of Islam was always personal (Elijah impregnanting his assistants) and not ideological.
@@therionduncan9820 you can praises who ever you want no more be is flawless an when Malcom died the nation died if that had not happen NOI would be in all 52 states it left a bad taste in non Muslims mouth
I love and hate him being interviewed.....simply because they asked him questions and when he responded they cut him off because he don’t answer with what they want to hear but answer with the truth!!! 🇹🇷⭐️🌙
I noticed that also. They were afraid of Malcolm! His thoughts were so factual and his ideas light-years ahead of his time. We are dealing with the exact same problems today.
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they keep cutting off malcolm because he is spitting facts
'Malcolm was hip to the fake media before there was such a term'
His answer were soo precise witchy and Sharp that it forced the interviewer to abruptly and disrespectfully interrupt before Malcolm could drive his point home and possibly even cause some of the racists audience to UNDERSTAND' that his ideology makes more sense than that of ALL the other guests COMBINED.!✊🏿✊🏿✊🏿✊🏿
The conversation itself is an example of white/black power play/dynamic in the way the white men talk. They make so many obfuscations and justifications/excuses.
Not a single sentence flowed from the lips of brotha Malcolm without being interrupted. That speaks volumes
James baldwin is someone that Malcolm x would respected and appreciated even they don’t agree on but they do acknowledged each other point of view
Git em !!!! Malcolm you're still great !!!!!
Both men spoke with so much strength and painstakingly answering ever question without using profane language or anger and still able to get their point across powerful 🖤
Two of most intelligent and brilliant men to EVER LIVE ON PLANET EARTH
False! Tell the truth! God is the most intelligent! God is the most brilliant, for without him no intelligent or brilliant man exists.
@@BeastmodeBeats Thats UNDERSTOOD...IM SPEAKING ON PLANET EARTH
It's rare to see good looking black women like you showing love to these types of black militant men. Women who look like you are so beautiful. Ain't no love for an intellectual spiritual black man. I'm sending you all my greetings from Paris France.
@@BeastmodeBeats that comment is off subject! She said two of the most intelligent MEN TO EVER LIVE ON PLANET EARTH...... not deity..... God is a spirit not man.
I concur
Malcolm is an inspiration for us still today. I need to learn more about Baldwin what a great man .
Brother Baldwin, intelligence is right there with Malcolm he is up there amongst the legendary Ancestor as being a true warrior for Black Freedom, and Equality.
Malcolm X and James Baldwin are loved and sorely missed.
@@haroldsimpson8422 please read anything written by James Baldwin. I don't care what it's about you want regret it and will instantly want to read a couple more. I've read three of his books. The Amen Corner is a favorite of mine. It teaches you as you're reading it.
It seems every time malcom is explaining anything he gets cut off by that clown. They get so annoyed with his intelligence so they never let him finish answering the questions they ask
They didn't see it as intelligent back then. Malcolm was sort of speaking ahead of his time and reminding America of its past and present racism. They saw his view point as extreme or crazy.
Thats right Malcolm...by any means necessary..👊🏼
You do realize that this is everything Baldwin was against right. Hatred is wrong. People are people. There's one race human. Read more. Listen to this clip again and I quote "People are People, and suffering of any person is universal" The great James Baldwin. He was a man before his time Race does not exist and it is a contraption of the human mind. He may even appear angry but it was to get his points across. You wont find violence nor a bad heart in James Baldwin. Fix your mentality. The goal is one and us. Not Im white and you're black and a broken society. Equality. Point blank.
We love you Malcolm X
The blacks must come together and educate the world on how human beings should live
Peace to the true black men.... #B1
Amazing miss them both!!
Wow whitty wanted them to answer questions the way he wanted them to talk...I agree with Malcolm..y do we want to sit in their restaurant and eat their food..we should have our own restaurants...eat our food...
yes and when they are fixing that food they spit in it or you really dont want to know what they did 2 it, and that speaker needs to let them finish talking dang man shut up
26:00 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 still true today we responsible for bad thing a black person done. But they don’t want to be held responsible for what their people done
Malcolm loved to read James Baldwin's book, "The fire next time."
Two great men and intellectuals: an other one, one of the best writers in the world of the last century, Mr Richard Wright
I'm only on Baldwin my class didn't discuss Richard Wright that I can recall at all. They also didn't introduce Malcom X. There's an African American Literature course that may address them. Baldwin is shared and known to get his points across more than anyone else you just said. He got the attention of JFK. He changed things in the right way. People say he's angry etc. He isn't. It was how he had to be to simply get his point across. He's a remarkable man.
This is definitely a great conversation between 2 great minded champions. I admire and respect both of these amazing men. Thank you for sharing this great session ❤🖤💚 Support black independent media ❤🖤💚
This conversation is as RELEVANT today - in 2021 - as it was in the 1960's. Simutaneously, Progress and Regress!
Because they are still keeping us down.. that is why it is still relevant. Still not totally free, we just have the illusion of it
@13:10 Malcolm X said what is your question? Maybe I'm not giving you the answers you want.
The whole thing was an opportunity to attack Malcolm and the movement smh but like a real Black man, Malcolm defended himself.
I like how malcom stays composed
we had great real leaders years ago, i would have loved to hear them talk rest in power brothers and sisters
14:33 white man realizes he fucked up and Malcolm X is making great points no logical person can disagree with 🤦🏽♂️
49:27 explains the whole purpose of this interview. mr. skylar and the interviewer (who was horrible at his job, btw) got 3 influential black men on his show to try to gauge how pissed off black people were and to try to see if they were all about ready to unify and do back to them what had been done to us since we were brought here 400 years ago. Thanks so much for this upload. It was hard to listen to at times. It was incredibly annoying every time the interviewer interrupted brother Malcolm and continuously tried to put words in his mouth.
This is very good sound quality. It's almost like they're in the same room as me.
My two historical idols, Jimmy Baldwin and El Hajj Malik El-Shabaz. I wish nothin' more than to see a video of this.
In that, Malcolm named the friction BEAUTIFULLY in the beginning - "Maybe I'm not giving you the answer you want me to say." The fact that the White folks at the table are leaning on the words of a scholar, who himself is not a member of the Nation nor a Muslim, I'm general, rather than a Leader in the work says it all.
One thing I can see clearly is that the devil is a one trick pony. The same tactics used then are used today
Yup. The tongue. From the moment they open their mouth it's lies and propaganda.
If being a one trick pony produces consistent results, what incentive is there to be a multi-trick pony?
@@klown839 who's tricking and trapping, we need to get off that "skreet" mentality.
“I have said, Ye are gods; And all of you are children of the most High. But ye shall die like men, And fall like one of the princes. Arise, O God, judge the earth: For thou shalt inherit all nations.”
Psalm 82:6-8 KJV
Are we talking about the original Hebrew Israelites from the tribe of yeshua lost in a weary land, don't know our identity, our ethnicity, nationalty, can't get a job,education or enough food to eat and clothes to wear, no shoes on our feet, our animals and livestock ain't got no corn,wheat or oats, don't even have goober peas or anything. Rise up from the ashes and get ahead through hardworking, education, a united moral perpetude etc,...
Thank you for this upload
‘I don’t know what it is that white men have that is so desirable’. AMEN.
That yte snow bunny pink toes.
That porcelain complected yte snow bunny, I'm guessing.
Thank you so much for uploading this!!!
You’re welcome
Great teacher Malcolm X..relevant and truly qe need to go this route ..and bring forth ..
Two wise men from an era that can never be forgotten! The debate on (identity) will be studied, prodded, and torn a part for centuries to come-but this I know, “History repeats itself, but comes back around in a disguise.”🙏🏽
Just found you Beloved thank you
20:26 another attempt to interrupt Malcolm but our brother was too strong 💪🏽 and too smart to be derailed respect ✊🏿
LOVED IT!! 😊
I still believe Brother Malcolm was right! We were not ready to integrate with so call white people until we had a chance to know ourselves. We did not do that. Also, instead of making things better for us we made it better for the t immigrants coming in today enjoying the fruits of our labor without any of the stress.
Kamit AN well why come to a country that’s oppressing your own country?? Not trying to be funny, I’m just curious??? 🤔🤔
@@merlinazoza why come here searching for relief why not encourage the downtrodden of America to relocate to Africa to build better economy and strength to combat the systemic racism cause honestly if we did all move back to Africa it would be a very powerful nation if we didn't get wooed by the modern ideology of America.
Kamit AN , as I stated previously I wasn’t trying to be funny, was just curious. I’m very much aware of what our government is doing to Africa, as well as other countries, in order to gain resources. Also aware of how they portray other countries to us over here. I’m also aware of dr Umar and I do listen to him. 🙂 Thanks for your response.
Exactly! Not did our ancestors make it easier for other immigrants but so many of them do not appreciate it! They come here and have the audacity to look at blacks as though we are beneath them....
@@merlinazoza I am a proud black American and I am sorry to hear about your country but don't catch an attitude with black Americans! He spoke truth, our ancestors paved the way for you, yes YOU to come and prosper! What yall are going through over there in Africa is damn sure NOT THE SAME as what our ancestors have gone through! You are the kind of people that come here and look down on Black Americans but you wouldn't even be allowed in this country if it wasn't for Our Ancestors....not Black Africans because we are not the SAME PEOPLE! YOU ARE NOT OUR PEOPLE! It's a damn shame you came to America when YOUR OWN Country needs you over there !!!
They didn’t want to hear how it relate to the Biblical history
May this speech forever imprint on the legacy of George Samuel Schuyler, for the atrocious and flawed positions he took in this discussion.
Baldwin reigned…….AS ALWAYS. I recall him dismantling William Buckley in a debate as well.
This conversation is a perfect illustration of how as a culture, generally speaking, America has gone backwards in a big way
We are now much less intelligent and it's shocking by the degree.
There is nobody in the black community like this now, in fact there is nobody like this in any community
I think this is due to both thinkers aiming for a common goal of oneness.
Today people are being pushed and pulled apart from contraction sub divisions- race gender , age etc
What is interesting to me is, you listen to speeches like this that were presented 60 yrs. ago, and yet we are still in the same position that we were in back yonder years earlier........Why? Because a system has maintained the status quo of oppression and non progress for brown people....
Why are we still in the same place? We keep trying to start from scratch when we need to build on what Martin Luther King Jr left. The next phase of the Civil rights movement was all about economics! Whites people fought hard to keep us from having civil liberties but they murdered him to stop the idea of economic equality.
So RELEVANT TODAY 🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨 2021
James Baldwin is right. Most see us as cattle. How far can we go as black people when it comes to education. We as black people have to work even harder than before.
What education? Is it education when your conquers colonisers train you to serve their interest?
Mr.X tore the roof off their pale butts exposed the truth interrupting every answers he gave (the truth)…smh,such scum bags …
@@kareemabdullatif3343 Malcolm X said "you're in bad shape if you let your oppressors educate you."
As with all beings, each according to their own gifts.
You young people still do not realize nothing new under the sun. Everything written in bible is for these times.
Yes you right, I'm not hoping or relying, but I want to be positive,.
But at this point, of unjustice and corruption,.
Anyone can do better.
Don't bring strife using this,the president Biden was a choosen.
Obviously anyone can do better compared with the other, that allowed witches and corrupt humiliatie,the poor and crushing the dignity of the poor
Malcolm spoke and stood on the truth.
The interviewer is a trouble maker, he looks for a way for them to go against each other.
That's a really stupid question the yte interviewer is asking; you want a separate America: one yte one black. America was already segregated especially in the south and in the north with equal housing and these neighborhood schools., parks,theaters, housing etc,...
Malcolm X explains the segregated economy. So genius.
I've only found audio of this so far; is there any footage of the whole thing (not just clips)?
If I had a time machine, I would have gone back to vehemently warn the ancestors of the toxic outcomes of integration, New Deal programs, and feminism; in addition to arming and militarizing all-black towns, cities, and institutions.
let's get that time machine made
They disagree but both have good points.
Interesting tension there.
THE MOTION PICTURE ACTOR DENZEL WASHINGTON SOUNDS LIKE MALCOLM X AND IS JUST AS INTELLIGENT. I'M READING A CURRENT 2020 BOOK OF 500 PAGES ABOUT MALCOLM X TITLED: "THE DEAD ARE ARISING....THE LIFE OF MALCOLM X," AND IT'S 'RIVETING!"
That guy said fifteen hundred thousand. That eliminates every point he tried to make.
These audio recordings are a treasure. On another note, the facilitator clearly has an agenda to villainize the black Muslim movement. This is apparent by what he asks the speakers and how he asks it. When he is not satisfied with the response, he shifts to someone else in an attempt to validate his claims or get the response he seeks for.
Interviewer sounds drunk and on valiums.
No matter how one looks at life, all predators are one of a kind. If one take the time to study predators, they will see the animal predators, insect predators, plants predators, and human predators they all have similar ways, allow one to see they function the same. A predator is a predator, no mater if it's a good one, or a bad one, they both do the same, seek out for victims, but the problem I see in life. How can we tell which one is good from the bad one. Watching the so called good ones, it creates just as much damage than the bad ones, but the process just take more time to see what it did. The human predators, I had watched the damage process it done to people from every institution one can think of. From the prison system, to the military system, to the college system, to the corporate system, we call a rehabilitation refined center to adjust the people to the modern times, which we call the good predator system. We all know the human bad predator system, crime of all kind. How can we the people of the world change a good predator system to function without creating long term damages to the people minds? Because time have things we do to be locked in, and minds will not move forward anymore. Slowing our natural process in moving forward in life down. We start taking good predator ways, and having it set to look like how fruit does, start turning to rotten things against what it was set out to do, if not used at the right time. Where it create more bad than good predators. Is one reason I say how would we know a good predator, when long term affects turns it into the worst one? Are we saying in the human sense, all good predators does the same process like all the other processes on the lands? Can we fight it, or do nature have control over it, and our minds is forced to go along naturally with nature plan?
When I think of predator, Arnold Schwarzenegger comes to mind.
The guy who made fun of X saying people attending meetings undergo check for knives should have felt ashamed of himself after X was murdered during his speech
James be talking way too fast.White dude keep asking the same question and not listen.Wound have been cursed him out.
So happy to subscribe💖🔯🥰
42:35... 🔥
Skyler is a clown
Have you read any of Schuyler's work?
@@DocPhD don’t need to when you hear his mind speak. There’s tons of work done by blacks which the country hasn’t acknowledged on purpose, tons of inaccurate and misleading history along with misinformation that people are and not aware of. Those same books that we read by scholars show that the way they believe is the way they perceive meaning that a racist scholar would have racist views in his book to go along with what he may see is reality. I’ve read books from different scholars and just because they are scholars doesn’t mean their views speak truth on all levels. Example, the pseudoscience that led to millions of dollars poured into due to ideology against a race of people was practiced and accepted as truth only to find later after the oppression and ignorance was a just cause to the ones in favor. Seems like the universe has it’s ways of leveling the playing field.
@@365handle how can you say you heard his mind speak when you have not read any of his works? His written works are truly his mind speaking as he evolved through life. I'm not saying you have to agree with Schuyler but to say you don't need to read his work based on one debate is intellectually hollow.
Again I Say; WITHOUT the OWNERSHIP OF LAND THERE IS NO ROOM TO CREATE SLAVERY, AND WITH OUT OWNERSHIP OF LAND THERE IS NO FREEDOM 4 A MAN.
The Summary of this debate is as follow living clean has no profit to the Country, plain and simple..
Malcom x plan was going to work foreal
how can i find out if this is copywritten ? i want to use some of this in a song, like put some of his parts of this debate in the beat and have him speaking in it
His daughter's have all his copy rights, Dr Betty Shabazz sued the government and won, three of Malcolm's daughter's are lawyer, one teaches law, one is an international human rights attorney with the United Nations.
With Malcolm and Baldwin in the same room it would have been great if the other guys had just shut up and let them talk about agreements and differences. Instead it was the incesant pestering on the questions of violence and degree of separation that NOI sought. Malcolm didnt care about the white man, he wanted to be away from its influence, meanwhile Baldwin cared deeply, he often spoke and wrote about the negative consequence that the white mans hate had upon himself. For baldwin that was the path to change. I would have loved to hear Malcolm respond to the impossibility of the white mans reckoning as baldwin spoke of the impossibility of separation. As always, over time malcolm comes out on top. Although I agree that the white man suffers (although not economically and in their power) but in his humanity.
Wait a thousand years for what?
That was a jump on Malcom X session...
I believe what James Baldwin was afraid of the Muslims having (Power) Allah had blessed Malcolm with it. Malcolm was very powerful and fearless this is why he was the vagabond greatest threat. The mzungu did not have power there's a big difference between someone that's a bully versus someone who has power.
Baba Malcolm X political leader.
Baba Jimmy Baldwin journalist political activist playwright and author.
He has dropped the point. That makes his racism ok.
Figures.
12:52🤣😂
"I would be INSANE"💯
Mr. Skuller, I'll hold a header, call him. This message McDaniel will never be unity amounts black people. Call me something good And they have spent trillions of dollars to make sure at that don't happen
WOW 😳!!!!This has come to pass this year about Emmett Till!!!! Elioim Yeshua Jesus Christ sees the evil hearts 💕 of men so exposer, exposer, exposer, YeT get ready,get ready,get ready!!!
When Malcom said Muslims don't carry guns I got sick at the stomach.
I've never known American Muslims, Black Muslims etc,...to be gun toting thugs. I know they have every right to defend themselves.
Explain to me, what Muslim leaders during that time, is Skylar talking to?
23:43 Was that a fart?
Yes
typical we gave you something so stop complaining .
What did you give?
@@justinlindfors8512 im saying thats whites reaction to us
@@kei-ez8674 Oh lol.
The smug arrogance of the interviewer and scholars here.
It’s amazing to know that opposition to Malcolm and James, has LOST.
Ignorant scholars given intellectually dishonest answers as if blacks magically oppressed themselves.
I wish the black community embraced black L.G.B.T.Q people. James Baldwin is perfect example of a gay black man who was pro black, if we work together we would achieve equality faster! Instead of claiming theres an Agenda, as if to say being black and L.G.B.T.Q is something new! There are L.G.B.T.Q African/Egyptian Gods and Goddesses, we Transcend Male/Female!
Edwin Torres I agree european religion has been the greatest DIS-SERVICE to our people. We come in all shades of black I never got into that dark versus light skin arguments. I never got into that black man versus black woman at the end of the day we are all we got. Nothing wrong with being gay or lesbian James Baldwin was speaking the truth and he was friends with Malcolm X and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. which shows us all that straight and gay brothers and sisters can come together for the greater good.
This🎯
Charles and george talking like uncle toms
This is so annoying shush interview. Say what he wants to hear or be cut off rudely.
James Baldwin spoke from a place of wisdom. Malcolm X spoke from a place of hate. The language used makes this very clear. There is really no surprise here. Islam is not a religion of tolerance and has from very near it's start been a racist movement. James Baldwin does not have these false beliefs , that he clings to. This gives him a clear advantage in this debate and makes him come off much more clear minded and logical.
Why shouldn't Malcolm speak from a place of hate (he doesn't - that would be a waste of his energy; they're not his concern)? You need to look at the context he was operating in: granted a bunch of so-called rights, yet highest unemployment, highest poverty, highest police brutality, highest victims of lynchings, etc etc etc. Someone treats YOUR family like this and you're not going to HATE them?!? Your business. 🙄
@@jackiedelvalle - I didn't say that there was no reason for the hate he may feel . I said that it put him at a disadvantage . Hate in this context isn't useful . It doesn't accomplish anything useful. I have always agreed much more with Martin Luther King Jr. than Malcom X for this reason . " Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that . " We are seeing in real time , every day what hate does , it divides people.
Malcolm's belief system lead him to these conclusions . James Baldwin was also Black and Gay , in a time when neither was a popular thing to be. But he dealt with persecution in a much more wise way than Malcolm did. This debate is proof of that.
@All seeing eye I completely agree with you. Malcolm was justified by all metrics to present his arguments the way he did. Whether it works to his advantage or disadvantage depends on the listener.If the listener is a liberal black or white man they will not like Malcom presentations but if the listener is an objective black or white man they will side with Malcolm...
You can never reach a man if you don't speak his language. If a man comes to you with Violence and you respond with non-violence high chances you will not find a Solution
Malcolm X was a realist and didn't succumb to their trickery in trying to get him to trap himself into their false narratives.
As a white man, i will stand before our creator and be judged for my sins, slavery and racism will not be one of the sins i answer for, Therefore i will not answer for them on earth, nor will any other white person breathing today. This race situation we are in right now in 2021 is a pitiful situation that will not end well for black people and the left is importing a replacement race across the border as you read this. Wake up and stop allowing hate to decide your future. I've been the same to all walks of life my entire life and the only racism I've seen was from black people towards white people.
@Aissa Bathily It's about race, who's the dummy now? Lmao
Even in the next world I would prefer to be black.