Are Trans Beauty Pageants Breaking Stereotypes or Reinforcing Them? | Transnational
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- čas přidán 16. 10. 2023
- Miss Queen International is the world's most prestigious beauty pageant for trans women. Rana Thamrin follows several women chasing that title in Thailand and explores the role pageant competitors can play in changing perspectives of trans people.
This episode was filmed in 2022.
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"it's not a celebration of trans women and their unique beauty, it's a celebration of passing" oof that hit me hard
If you suffer from gender dysphoria, isn't that what you're looking to do?
@@anthonyalles1833 The issue is more that someone may get to a point where they're happy with how they look and feel affirmed, but then everyone else or others in the trans community put pressure on them to "pass" or look "even better". So basically part of the issue is more of societal beauty standards at a certain point rather than just alleviating dysphoria which is the initial (and more important) goal
@@liminalmind2771 Perhaps, but a trans person is no more obligated to dedicate her life to fighting the patriarchy than any other woman. They have enough problems to deal with, they don't need yet another burden unwillingly placed on them. IMHO I find all beauty pageants silly and retrograde, but I don't demand that everyone share my views.
@@RobertTaylor-gz2fuLike you try to "pass" for a decent human being?
@@winstons2024 You mean because I don't accept that Dylan Mulvaney, Eddie Izzard, Lia Thomas etc. are women?
It's a beauty pageant. Might as well call it a stereotype contest, regardless.
facinating that the cosmetic industry from the medical side is investing in the pageants. seems obvious in hindsight but still interesting to find that connection out
a competition that rates plastic surgeons work :)
Well that goes for a lot of female beauty pageants too these days
@@erinlevere6881 you used to be banned from competing in pageants back in the day if they knew you had any plastic surgery. i know that women who have given birth aren't eligible to compete in some competitions (read it in the fine print in one i was in during my teens) so i really hope that rule has been eliminated if they're allowing males to join
@@barbrothers2unless you live under a rock, miss colombia and miss guatemala were both competing in miss universe this year and they are both mothers, what other excuse are you gonna use to spread your hate now?
They can have their own shows with their own display of talent. I dont think merging is needed
They’re all women tho.
Separate but equal!!
They are not women, they are men with lots of surgery, something that was not even allowed to women.
I think that also goes for sporting activities - it's not fair for them to compete with natural women
So segregation? Gross.
Grew up with family that participated in beauty pageants from the 60's thru the 80's. Mother was Miss Huntington Beach, older cousin was Miss California almost Miss America. The pressure on family split everything up. A generation of family that should have grown up and enjoyed each other's company building a community fractured because of mob mentality. That's what it feels like from my perspective. As long as pageants are an expression of creativity and social support for each other and not some contest to FIGHT each other over, then it is just humans doing something good. Kindness needs to win out.
This applies to everything in life, love your point of view, keep spreading love 💕
My neighbors daughter was Miss California, a gorgeous woman who died from alcohol Poisoning. She was a broken alcoholic in her 30's I think. A very sad story for their family.
That's sick.
I dont think these pagents will have kids and I doubt they were forced as kids (they were men back then) to compete
There's nothing wrong with people _wanting_ to express themselves with 'stereotypical' gender presentations, just as there's nothing wrong with going another way. It's only a problem when people are _forced_ to go one way, or victimized when they don't. Let people be free.
How about 'new women' using all-female spaces?
The problem is claiming stereotypes make you X.
IE: If a white person acted like a stereotypical asian it would be called racism
too bad 4/5 trans are meth heads
@@RobertTaylor-gz2fumost women support trans rights lmao
@@damien4969 Most women aren't accepting of 'new women' in all-female spaces or women's sports.
This seems like a competition/advertisement for plastic surgeons?
Yes, that's what all beauty pageants are for, to make ugly women feel bad about themselves enough to pay money to surgically alter themselves to look like the women on tv. Are you new here?
Also butchers that want to make money on confused kids. Tons fo money.
Yes, a money making industry. Male plastic surgeons creating a male fantasy!
Christ, a doctor that doesn’t know how to properly wear a surgical mask! 🤦🏻♂️
Perfect. The fact that doctors judge this completion speaks volumes 😖
Any doctor who thinks a trans woman is a woman, needs to have their medical license revoked immediately. Please stop conforming to a person’s delusions.
The fact that you felt it important to post your nonsense, and not even spell words correctly, speaks volumes about you.
I mean... Just have separate beauty pageants specifically for Trans. That makes more sense than merging with biological women pageants.
If only they could do the same thing for sports
these beauty pageants have existed for years, decades even, straight people just ignore them because they don’t view them as “valid” as the pageants for biological women
God Thailand is the most based Asian country ever. Where can u smoke weed, drink beer, and look at a trans beauty pageant?
you could just go to hostess bars in japan or south korea, drink and look at actual real beautiful women, not men. chaser?
It's fine. They are doing their own thing. No problems with that at all. Infact i hope they are successful and have fun.
Thanks for sharing!
Awesome video.
They are beautiful!!
Beautifully done. ❤️❤️❤️❤️
why is every other VICE video about trans people? I swear to god everyone is completely obsessed with this issue.
Only the extreme left, they love anything thats weird and different and bothers conservatives and religious people.
*God
@@hifijohn Some do, but at least we can respect the differences in each humans instead of forcing everyone to be a fucking robot and fit inside one shoe. As anarchists, we don't put our confidence based on how we annoy conservative Nazis. We put it based on how we RESPECT people
it's not an issue, silly goose!
Soros bought them and that´s pretty obvious this is part of their agenda.
They are beautiful
😂
@@KARMA-jr6uk I'm assuming you are male-wouldn't you chat up any one of them?
@@NyanyiC hell nah
@@KARMA-jr6uk I'm sure you won't realize it at first. Like I said they are beautiful
They are beautiful. I ended up marrying a Thai trans girl. Best decision I ever made.
They're just having a good time. Leave them alone.
These girls inspire me to get skinny
One would think 8n other places of their world in trans communities They would want evolved from women competitive pageant. Mimicking what cis women go through is just ridiculous. Beauty is internal and external.. Humanity wants attention especially from each other. Very immature. More important things on earth to do in support of humanity
Great interviewer.
Thank God I'm American Trans Women in the USA but I do enjoy watching these Trans Beauty Pageants from these country, I hope who ever watching this video to learn more about our Trans community and not judge like these Online trolls with stupidity negative comments about Trans women, if ya don't like watching the video then don't watch go away K!
oh hunny you'll find more acceptance online than you ever will in real life. unless you live in a libbed out shthole, everyone hates trans women.
Can you do a video on hypohydrosis
But they still never be a real woman 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
I don’t care what people do, so long as they are honest with and do no harm to others.
Ty king
@@sapphomet.7777 Sarcasm?
@@kierenmoore3236 no straight up as a trans person This is an actually refreshing take because Fox News has tried to train a whole generation of people to try to immediately invoke ww2 get in the camps style Nazi propaganda against us
@@kierenmoore3236 given the VICE audience and what they think about this topic, yes it's likely sarcasm. If you have the Chrome extension to view CZcams dislikes, this video is currently at 244 likes and 460 dislikes. Every single one on this topic gets ratio'd about 2-to-1 or even 3-to-1 and is full of hateful comments.
@@desmond-hawkins It isn't hate to want to be safe in our own spaces.
happy to see this subject explored with the level of nuance it deserves!! thank you to Rana for the insightful coverage
it's fluff like straight miss competitions, with that extra layer of dark pattaya veneer
Maybe both
Also do reports on Bangladesh please
I am a woman and I want to enter this space
How do you compete with artificial beauty full of surgeries and silicon? And they are not women, just men.
Mmm, I doubt a real woman would be allowed., but trans allowed in women's spaces.
14:35 "its different because for us its a way to look the way we want to" LOL the hypocrisy... thats what all cosmetic surgery is about
Miss Pinay slayed!
Omg this is like such a pressing question and we demand answers!!
I have no issue with trans women competing against other trans women. No issue with that at all. But I personally don’t like beauty pageants.
As long as trans women understand they are trans women and not biological “real” women, I am more than accepting.
Do I have this correct? As long as trans women don't participate in society, you're perfectly accepting.
Is the same true for trans men?
Reinforcing because I guarantee you, that the transwomen who allowed to participate, have to fit the "passability test". Beauty comes in all forms, and a transwoman shouldn't have to fit a mold to be considered beautiful.
Neither should biological women. When I see a slightly overweight girl with dark skin, glasses and kinky hair I’ll believe that Miss America is about scholarships.
It's the same for cis women. I ain't getting in that show.
There is still room for an ugliness contest. That way no one feels offended.
@@getthekool1758- Yeah, but still, most of them are gorgeous. They are all winners in my eyes.
@@customfantasyhotwheels My point is there is a difference between what is ugly and what is beautiful. And seems people are getting offended because the reality is what is superior is better, and this is how life works.
How long before they turn the comments off on this
Well done small documentary, will pass to all my trans friends.
What a great point of you!
Your conclusion was always something that was obvious honey, I apologise, but they chose to be there.
A beauty pageant cant be the only platform for all the social equality that trans people are trying to achieve. A beauty pageant is about beauty, and gender dysphoria does need passing. But many pass in the normal world, to win, someone has to be a more pleasing to the eye.
Cis……..don’t ever call me that to my face.
I just want to say not all clinics like this I think the owner, surgeon can actually get a bigger premises more room. The recovery room is really not hygienic and doesn’t look safe to me. Anyway they seem to doing well.
"It's a celebration of passing-who can look and sound the most like a traditional cisgender beauty queen." That sounded like an insult to all transwomen
Мужчина извращенец не является женщиной lol
Why is it an insult to trans women, we’re criticizing the institutions which subjected us to these standards,, 😅
As a trans woman I try to be supportive but I don’t get the whole beauty pageant thing. Good on em for doing it live your truth and all but I think beauty pageants set back all women sis and trans.
No such thing as a cis category for woman, you are a man and I would suggest heavy counseling because deep down you aren’t living your true self your living in delusion.
As a straight male, I totally agree with you. No matter how they try to church these pageants up, it still boils down to displaying an individual as a dressed up piece of meat, no matter how many "world peace" questions you throw into it.
that's understandable.
Stop calling us normal people "cis". We are BIOLOGICAL males and females.
If you cannot accept that, then you have to be comfortable with being called "tra**y" by us BIOLOGICAL men and women.
Respect each other ❤
This makes more sense than them joining miss universe which is traditionally for natural born women. How can you push for transgender acceptance when you're already stepping the boundaries of nature. Fight for your rights, but don't say you are a woman coz you're not. But you are an amazing transgender woman and that's something to be proud of
idk I’m transgender myself and I think if all long as u have the means to look the part that’s all that matters but come on who wants to stand next to a brick and consider them your sister pls
I mean who cares. I’m trans as well. If every trans girl was a doll there it would be fabricated. Not everyone (even cis women are ultra feminine) you have tomboys etc . …trans people are the same. If you want to be a doll, be a doll. But don’t hate on other trans people because they don’t put the same values on passing as you do.
My name is abdul saak deek i want to saak deek 😂😂😂😂
I feel Transgenders should have their own pageants.
The Video that was showed was about a Transgender's Beauty Pageant which is Miss International Queen!
They do this is Miss international queen and Miss Tiffany Universe also Transuniverse.
They just copied the concept from the Philippines. Our trans pageantry is way way back
Not a single one of them will ever be a true woman lmao
They never said that. They are living like a woman. That’s the spirit. Not necessary to be a real woman. Just live like one
They know they are trans that’s the point they know they aren’t biological women
Definitely reinforcing stereotypes.
These are not women in any sense or by any standards they will never ever now what a real woman goes through...
They trans they never said they are female
I am a filmmaker student, in my own way and from my work, I am working and struggling on a project to help change these kind of social problems. I am from the same country as Javiera, and even that, myself as a man, struggle all the time finding people from the LGTB community to join my project. My point is, the world is like that, the only way to fulfill a change is creating something new; maybe judging these kind of events is not the proper way to find a solution, after all, most of them are "almost" honest, I mean they are always about beauty, that's the all point. If someone finds this must change then the solution is create a contest about something else, where beauty wwould be a minor factor.
Yay Philippines!!!!
All of this trans content. Where is the reporting on Gaza???
everywhere habibi
Thanks for covering this, so insightful
0:42 if you want people to listen to anything your hauking yes it is lol
I keep coming back to Vice News hoping that they do more in-depth reporting about things that matter like Ukraine, and Israel, but each time I'm sadly disappointed. What happened?
Transformers...
More than meets the Eye
they went from being counter-cultural to joining the mainstream media. pretty much an extension of the mass media but meant to spread their ESG-woke agenda to the younger demographic. they can't and won't encourage real critical thinking anymore. just follow the party line.
"News"
I hate the scary background tense music when the patients are in the recovery room. I think you are just jealous of the girls who have had surgeries when actually you’re faking the way you sound when you speak
Vice news in 2023 is something else
They’ve fallen off so hard and it’s sad to see
I wish I can understand what leads a man to this.
Hormones 🤣
I wish I could understand why you're so obsessed with what's in someone's pants or with what you THINK is the popular thing to cry about.
if someone said this about gay men everyone would call it homophobia
5:23 The term "mermaid" is rather cute and enduraning.
I think it's discriminatory towards cows. Why doesn't anyone want to be a cow only a mermaid?
Not comparable nor should they be. Different foundations regardless of adding or subtracting.
As a cis-gender woman, I went in drag to see the Barbie movie. It was my protest against women (whether trans or not) feeling compelled to appear in this way. As Rana Thamrin said, it leaves a person wondering if she needs to be changing her appearance radically, if she cannot be accepted as she is- as she is in her skin, in her nature. Appearances are all very well, but aren't we each a lot more complex than that? There was an eye-opening documentary some years ago about plastic surgery in Venezuela- how women's body images were being literally shaped and dictated by one man and his ideas about what they should all look like- and how even very poor women were getting breast enhancement surgery. This is not it, but similar- czcams.com/video/VtddBzqe-vE/video.html
there’s no way for a man to be a woman other than stereotypes, that’s not true for real women.
You have been so brainwashed by the trans movement. The correct term is *"biological woman".*
The term "cisgender" is the word used by trans-women and trans-men used to give themselves away (whether they are passable or not).
what
"as a cis-gender woman" opinion discarded
@@zenster1097 - 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Yup. Get out of here with that "cisgender" rhetoric BS.
Papai cici - Malaysia ❤❤❤❤
Transwoman are the best ❤
Basically a beauty pageant for men. Sure, why not.
For trans women. It is not difficult to use correct terminology
@@ashleyuniversespinner1938 I am using correct terminology. Those are men. They have 99% in common with men and maybe 1% in common with women.
Can Cis women join?
Nope. This is specific 😊 only transgenders are allowed because you have to present your old documents before you changed
And that is the answer loser will give. I bet you they won't think that way should they had won.
Trans or not. It's bizarre.
Not in a good or bad way.
Just bizarre.
Agree. I am trans and coming from Philippines where pageants are a BILLION pesos industry, it's stupid and degrading to all women.
Most prettiest
Transformers...
More than meets the Eye
Lol brutal 🤖
The former is correct no need for a whole video
Bro 😂
biological males with good surgeons
Honey, the Gworls are GIVING BEAUTY QUEENS YAAAASSS!!!!
Papai cici - Malaysia ❤❤❤❤❤❤
How about we just stop overthinking everything and just let people do whatever the fuck they want
because while there are some trans women competing in beauty pageants, there are countless other trans women out there being beat, raped, shunned because they don't look "passing" and to reinforce this, only the most passing, gorgeous trans woman is their voice? it's pretty sad. at least least trans women and cis women share this issue.
This is just a certain topic of discussion that is interesting to at least talk about. And like the person above me said, when there's countless non-passing transwomen being killed for being said non-passing (also cis women being killed for "appearing trans") how do these pageants presenting mostly passing trans-women effect those non-passing transwomen? It's just a question to be reckoned with.
Don’t refer to natural women as cyst women I’m just a woman. You identify as trans women I call you as you address your gender. Don’t rename me 😤 and think it’s ok ITS NOT
Exactly! If they cannot refer to us as "biological males and females", then they have to be comfortable with being called "tra**ies" 🤷♂️
Cyst 💀 It's "cis"
@@gluttonyarchbishop - Neither; it's *BIOLOGICAL.*
Get it right.
Im just correcting the commentor's spelling. I would get it if the word "cisgender" might sound like a slur or something offensive or something out of place because me myself didn't encounter it until a year ago. So here's the definition of cisgender.
denoting or relating to a person whose gender identity corresponds with the sex registered for them at birth; not transgender.
@bluewolfphoenixrising1879 did i sound like im proposing an argument? informing people about the definition of the word isn't explicitly saying "oh you should actually not be scared of the word, it's not a slur, please stop being offended". i am not in any way ordering this commentor to stop being scared of the word. and why are you asking me this? i literally said "i would get it if TLDR", and now you're telling me i don't understand that they don't want to be called "cis"?
This story is more to show bigotry still exists. Just read the comment section to see the people of this world still have an obsession about things that don’t affect them.
When it’s being shoved in our face 24/7, being told how to think and talk, and pushed onto children, then yes it does affect everyone wether they want it to or not. Any reasonable person who doesn’t agree with your world views and speaks out against it are not bigots.
@@myron1231234it doesn’t affect you though. It’s “pushed in my face 24/7” and I feel perfectly fine, sounds like a personal problem there buddy
Most people are too busy just ‘getting by’ these days to notice, let alone *comment, to be more accurate …
@@zu-tangclan8113 good for you buddy, eat this stuff up. But I noticed you didn’t comment on the part of you guys forcing us to think and talk a certain way like you and if not were just being bigots, and heavily pushing it into children face 24/7 in which parents are now bigots for not wanting it.
@@myron1231234 you sure have an imagination. Pushed in your face 24/7. Really? This story was pushed in your face or did CZcams recommend it because you have been looking up terms like trans, lgbtq, gay. Typically you are only recommended videos that you previously searched for. I wouldn’t call that being shoved in your face but more you looking for it to be presented to your face.
your saudi arabia boss isn't gonna like this one
Papai cici - Malaysia
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Here come all the sensitive boys crying about “wokeness” 🙄
I always laugh at that because they're basically saying they're asleep.
you can call them whatever they want, but those are just men 😂
maybe its because you're woke?
which is a good thing btw@@666j1
It's not 'wokeness', it's flat out sexism
Beauty is in the eyes of the be holder.
I remember when vice actually talked about important news and made amazing documentaries. Sad
Aww poor you
@@BohoBeadsI mean vice filed for bankruptcy, so poor them.
Funny the people who go on and on and on about empathy are the biggest fuckin pricks walking the earth
Autogynephilia
Is that your mother name ?
Where are the women?
yes!!!!!!!!! yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Neither
I THINK that that's is just sou Wrong in all ways
Step up your game then haha
Impressive
The fact that we get free videos from VICE News on CZcams is priceless, keeping the education and knowledge alive. 🙏🙏🙏
True.
Not for much longer they are bankrupt
i don't get it we already have women pageants why do we need this ?
To separate the two. They need to compete against each other and not actual women.
Sometimes they’re prettier than those born women.
Except for the fact that these womanfaces went multiple times under the knife for a good face. Its easy for everyone.
Only if you think more makeup and surgery means someone is closer to being beautiful
@@pinkdollangel So what if they want to wear makeup like that? Plenty of women wear “too much” makeup. Lol.
Laughable
@@PolfPolf Look at some of the lady boys of Asia and then the average woman in America. It is laughable, but not really the way some might think. 🤪
Where is your coverage on the Israel Palestine conflict?!
I do not really have much to say about this topic either way...but you are right whats going on in the Middle East is more important/topical
Vice has extensively covered middle eastern issues for over a decade. They'll get around to it . Also since this was filmed in 2022 Im guessing this is just a re-release on CZcams, not necessarily new
They would be making propaganda for HAMAS anyways.
💜🕉️🩷☮️ they are groundbreaking and they move mountains