The first half of the discography rankings I agree with for the most part. The second half of their discography I think we are very apart on in opinion, but it's all good. Have a great day! 🙌🙌🤘
Since Meridional, every album is flawless to me. Not a single bad song and not a single part of the albums that I don't love, though I think ALL HAIL is my favorite. I will need to fully listen to the new album though.
I'm on board with O-God to present. Never been able to get into the older songs, besides Memphis and the modern live version of I used to hate cellphones. Still shocked, there's a ton of people out there that think Cory-era NJ is worse than the work of teenagers. Insane.
I might be extremely biased but The Aftermath is my favourite to this day. They took Botch's approach and math influence and made it so groovy and easy to comprehend while being so fucking punishing, that Liarscenic makes me wanna jump into moshpit instantly. I would argue that Disconnektie is just perfect in the middle, it's a much needed breather before the next song and a beautiful one.
The aftermath is also my favorite. You describe it perfectly. I listen to a ton of brutal death metal nowadays, but the heaviness of this album rivals death metal at times. I’m always going to be partial to the first three Norma Jean albums- just because they remind me of such good times. but they have some good stuff on their newer albums. I like his ranking, but I would switch the S tiers and the A tiers.
Hey man wasn't sure how to contact you. I suck at the Internet. But this randomly showed up in my CZcams feed. I really appreciate the way you went through all the albums. I should know because I was in that band for over a decade ha. Hi my name is Jake. It was very refreshing to hear your breakdown of each album, and you weren't so far off. So good on ya mate! And also it brought a lot of nostalgia back to me. There are so many underlining things that even go into song titles ha. What a ride. I appreciate you sir. Thank you!
Norma Jean is such an incredible band. They are rare in that they made a huge impact early on and only continue to get stronger with every release. Such a distinctive sound while managing to still achieve a different vibe with each album. Glad you put Meridional on S tier, it is such an underrated record! Redeemer would probably be S tier for me as well
Polar Similar is probably my favorite album of theirs. It got me through a rather difficult time in my life. I don’t care too much for their older material but their last 4 albums have all been bangers that I still have in rotation.
Beautifully done and explained. I am the biggest fan of All Hail and Polar Similar, so I don't agree with you there but gotta respect the knowledge and passion.
Blast from the past, Norma was one of my favorite bands back in the day especially O' God! Followed them close until Wrongdoers when they fell off my radar, I don't remember why. I think it's time for a revisit!
I've fallen in such love with Norma Jean that I'm now working on a whole animated series just inspired by them. This includes Luti-Kriss!!! Not many bands have gotten me to that point, and it's amazing.
Fair call. All hail might be my favourite atm, I love the sludgy and melodic vibes. Where would you rank the orphantwin ep, it almost feels like Norma jean
As with any band with such a long career it's really tough because a band has to compete with past albums and fan nostalgia is a double edged sword! I jumped on this train with Anti Mother which piqued my interest enough to hear more, Meridional was kind of weird to me. I need to listen to it now, it's been a long time! For me all the albums since I have been consistently enjoying alot! I haven't listened to Death Rattle all the way through but so far I'm really enjoying what I've heard🤘
NORMA JEAN!!! YAS! To me, their top album will always be Bless the Martyr, because it was their introduction and made me fall instantly in love (only a handful of bands have done that EVEEEER). Right next to that top spot would be Wrongdoers as when it dropped I couldn't stop listening to it on a daily basis. As for the newest jam, that opening track "1994", kicks you right in the spine if you have a decent sound system in your car. It has that deep, heavy, kind of riff that just makes you smile and want to do bad things. I'm excited to really get into the entire album as I only listened to it twice in its entirety (while driving). I'm enjoying it so far and can't wait to see them in a couple of days.
I was happily suprised to see this in my recommended since I didn't think anyone to them seriously enough to call any of there albums. I love them are one of the bands that got me into metal. Even happier to seeing people give their albums 10/10's. Keep on rocking on.
I agree with almost everything in the video, I think it's amazing how the band can be versatile and innovative even with this significant amount of albums, the only thing that would change in the rank is the legendary bless the martyr... he's easy S-tier but otherwise I'm accordingly. about this last album i already fell in love again lol, the math elements mixed with other progressions and melodies captivated me a lot, the breakdowns have the right energy also in general i don't know if i can consider norma jean a metalcore band but classifying this album as " chaotic metalcore/mathcore" I think it's the best of the year so far, maybe with the prog metalcore from aviana or the djent metalcore from oceans to alaska they will take this post but for now norma jean remains at the top
My rankings are pretty much the same as yours with maybe one difference: I'd swap O'God with Meridonial. So glad you called out Charaterantula because that song is massively underrated and hit's like a train. Like you, I was a bit disappointed with The Anti-Mother at the time. I listened to it for awhile, but it didn't hold up compared to the older releases so I kind of drifted away from Norma Jean for awhile. I skipped over Meridonial at it's time. Then in 2013 when Wrongdoers dropped I gave them another chance and holy shit was I glad I did. As you said, Wrongdoers absolutely slapped. One underrated banger on there I want to call out was "The Lash Whistled Like A Singing Wind". It's only 1 minute and hits almost like a grindcore track with an absolutely crushing breakdown at the end. *chefs kiss*. I only then went and revisited Meridonial after my confidence in NJ was restored. But then, I lost interest a second time with their recent releases. Just couldn't get into them.
Haven't sat down with the new one yet, but otherwise the only change I would make is for me Polar Similar is all-time favorite and tied at S with Wrongdoers and Meridional
I love this band, and I really don’t think they have a bad album. I remember playing Halo 3 with the boys on Snowbound and we were down in a close game and my buddy goes “BREAK OUT THE SHOTGUNS! WE’RE GOING TO TOWN” and we still do that shit to this day in shooters lol. I got to see them Headline “Scream the Prayer” Tour as well. My list would be S - OGTA, BTM&KTC, Redeemer A - Everything else B - Luti-kriss This list makes me wanna go back and listen to their more recent albums, great list!
If you haven't done already, I'd be interested in seeing a video about bands with no original members left, and seeing how that's affected their musical output (positively or negatively)
Deathrattle reminds me of Transition that poison the well made with: you come before you. It's more experimental and yet still rages. It's a like they are redefining themselves. This will take time for me as well to see where it ends up. My top 3 favorite NJ albums are meridional Wrongdoers All Hail
First, thanks for taking the time to put this together, NJ deserves more recognition than they get. I'm one to rank the early stuff lower than the newer. Polar Similar is perfection to me, it's sonic umami - (S Tier). Death Rattle - S Tier. I'd put All Hail - Fantastic. Meridonal - Fantastic, nearly S Tier. Anti Mother and Wrongdoers in the Great category. Not a huge fan of Josh Scroggin's vocal style, personal preference. The early albums have iffy production and that's just hard for me to look past, I never spin them. The main thing with Norma Jean is the perspective of the listener. NJ is doing so much in the music, heavy, math, emotion, soul, groove, deep, cerebral that it depends on what one is looking for. There's enough substance that a listener can dig deep and find something new for a long time. That's unique. I find the new stuff to be more cerebral and soul-nourishing than the old and perhaps that's where my scoring system differs. Thanks again for taking the time.
Before I even watch this, i just wanna say Wrongdoers onward is S-tier. Even Deathrattle. Although I might slide it down to A over time. Let's see. Such a consistent band. Edit: okay, Meridional is S-tier too. Thanks for reminding me lol
@@MetalTrenches my personal Ranking S: Meridional up to All Hail A: Redeemer, Oh God, Deathrattle B: Anti Mother and Bless (I like Josh in The Chariot more) N/A: Luti-Kriss. Haven't listened to this at all lol. I prefer the modern Norma Jean more. Something about Cory's vocals are so cathartic. Still enjoyed your breakdown of all the albums. Good shit.
I was happily suprised to see this in my recommended since I didn't think anyone to them seriously enough to call any of there albums. I love them are one of the bands that got me into metal. Even happier to seeing people give their albums 10/10's. Keep on rocking on.
Here would be my tier-ranking for Norma Jean: S - Bless the Martyr and Kiss the Child A - O’ God the Aftermath, Redeemer, Deathrattle Sing for Me B - Throwing Myself, The Anti-Mother, Meridional, All Hail C - Wrongdoers, Polar Similar
So I'm a Throwing Myself/Bless the Martyr loyalist. Never really made the jump to the new vocalist and general evolution of their sound. I've dabbled in some post-Bless the Martyr stuff (Oh God the Aftermath of course, and Redeemer and here and there a bit)-enough to recognize some of the tracks, but not enough to know what I'm getting into when I hit play on one of those albums. And I always kinda hit that place where I'm like, "This is fine, but I could be listening to Bless the Martyr instead." Anyway, on a whim (mostly because I was majorly obsessed with digging up early 2000s Norma Jean live performances earlier this summer-there's some ridiculously great shows on CZcams), I decided to listen to Deathrattle while driving to work and... it was pretty good? Like, shockingly so. I'm actually excited to listen to it a few more times and see how it goes down. I might use this as an excuse to backtrack through their whole discography. Anyway, great vid, even if we disagree a bit on Luti-Kriss, lol. (Maaaaaybe most of my love is nostalgia, but I'll die on that hill.)
I would say Reedeemer is their best album for sure it just flows perfectly with the right amount of aggression and progression. The hooks in those songs are sick. Tonight the south is on fire! you're killing me just bury me! Let's break out the shot guns were going to town! Just what are you trying to say! While we thought we were learning how to live we been learning how to die.! Those speak for themselves.
Valid lol (actually, here are my rankings: Bless=S; Meridional, O God=A; Redeemer, Polar Similar=B; All Hail, Anti-Mother=C - will have to check out the new one!)
Don't know the Luti-Kriss album and I have the very unpopular opinion that Bless The Martyr is my least favorite album. Besides Memphis Will be laid to Waste, nothing on that album does anything for me.
"The Anti Mother" turned me off to Norma Jean and didn't come back until Polar Similar (clearly, I missed Wrongdoers and Meridional and had to go back!)
Personally my ranking goes 10.luti kriss 9.the anti mother 8.meridonal 7.wrongdoers 6.deathrattle 5.polar similar 4.redeemer 3.all hail 2.o god,the aftermath 1.bless the martyr and kiss the child
I agree a bunch here but your A-tier is my S-tier and your S-tier would get moved to B right after Anti-mother. Nothing touches the original lineup with Corey for me. When Daniel Davison left before Anti-mother dropped it totally changed the vibe of the band. He’s one of my biggest drumming influences.
I may be alone with this opinion, but I think The Anti-Mother is what Vol 3 was for Slipknot. The album was experimental, yet it still contained the essence of what made the first few records great. That is why The Anti-Mother is S tier for me along with Wrongdoers,
Likely bias from being my first album from them but Bless the Martyr is definitely my favorite. I've been packing the CD around since middle school, still love it.
I totally agree with MERIDIONAL and WRONGDOERS at Perfection. Definitely their best albums. It's so sad that MERIDIONAL doesn't have that great production as WRONGDOERS.
All Hail: "Idk man, I just dont know about this album...I only like * proceeds to list every song from the album*" Lol all jokes, but fr, I love All Hail. Its probably their best album for me with Wrongdoers being a close #2
me personally S-tier: Redeemer, Polar Similar A-tier: Bless the Martyr, O God, Anti Mother B-tier: Meridional, Wrongdoers, All Hail C-tier: Deathrattle D-tier: Luti-Kriss
Polar Similar comes in so hard on the the first track. That the rest of the album could of been 30 mins of turds plopping into water, and I’d still give “A” tier.
So in my opinion, i feel like none of the features in Anti-Mother really did anything to enhance the tracks. Chino's has a part in Surrender your Sons that almost feels like he's going off key and it ruins the whole thing. And Page Hamilton's vocal style really doesn't gel with Norma Jean's style, i'm not sure what they were trying to do with that one.
@@MetalTrenches I agree, but I also think that 3 years after Wrongdoers, they had an album that sounded really great and big. Meridional, Wrongdoers and Polar Similar are my favorites!
Hands down, the most toxic fanbase in all of metal/metalcore. I know ive said this before, but the Norma Jean fans I encountered acted like they knew everything about music.
I did not enjoy that album at all. First Norma Jean record I heard. My favorite album of 2022 is False Light by the Ukrainian band White Ward. Have you heard that album yet?
Nah.. Just. Nope. Have you done Evergreen Terrace yet? This band imo was always kinda a no go after Memphis. To many bands sounded the same at the time.
Bless the Martyr and Kiss the Child is top - tier metalcore. Redeemer is up there, in my eyes, as well. I’ve always wondered if people ever noticed how identical NJ were to that of Botch when it boiled down to their earlier releases, especially when it comes down to NJ’s sound and vocalization of Cory and Josh.
@@MetalTrenches redeemer had stronger song writing in my opinion and much more emotional intensity. the drums were much more complex, cause Daniel Davison (i would argue, the drum fills on Redeemer are one of the best of all time) and the bass/guitar work is simply unmatched in their discography with the production. I love Meridional, but it lacks a lot compared to Redeemer.
@@MetalTrenches I don't think my opinion is the only valid one lol. It's an opinion. I just think you ranked the albums incorrectly, in my opinion. That's all.
@@ericchin739 But the fact that you think there is an “incorrect” way to rank something so subjective seems strange to begin with. Have 100 people do this and all of them are going to be different. That’s how art works. That’s literally the fun of discussing it.
@@MetalTrenches Yes, I understand that. You're arguing semantics at this point lol I simply disagree with your ranking of the albums, and used words that clearly triggered something. Though, I will give props for even mentioning Luti-Kriss. Body of God is my favorite by that Era of NJ.
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I woke up, checked Spotify, saw that Norma Jean dropped, listened to all 53 minutes and loved it. Killer band.
It’s definitely an interesting entry for them
Appreciate the inclusion of Luti-Kriss since it's not mentioned much anymore, even if its not as good
The first half of the discography rankings I agree with for the most part. The second half of their discography I think we are very apart on in opinion, but it's all good. Have a great day! 🙌🙌🤘
Since Meridional, every album is flawless to me. Not a single bad song and not a single part of the albums that I don't love, though I think ALL HAIL is my favorite. I will need to fully listen to the new album though.
I'm on board with O-God to present. Never been able to get into the older songs, besides Memphis and the modern live version of I used to hate cellphones.
Still shocked, there's a ton of people out there that think Cory-era NJ is worse than the work of teenagers. Insane.
I might be extremely biased but The Aftermath is my favourite to this day. They took Botch's approach and math influence and made it so groovy and easy to comprehend while being so fucking punishing, that Liarscenic makes me wanna jump into moshpit instantly. I would argue that Disconnektie is just perfect in the middle, it's a much needed breather before the next song and a beautiful one.
The aftermath is also my favorite. You describe it perfectly. I listen to a ton of brutal death metal nowadays, but the heaviness of this album rivals death metal at times. I’m always going to be partial to the first three Norma Jean albums- just because they remind me of such good times. but they have some good stuff on their newer albums. I like his ranking, but I would switch the S tiers and the A tiers.
Disconnecktie is a masterpiece song. So good.
I’ve loved this band since “Redeemer.” Thank you for this video, man.
Was fun to make as always
Hey man wasn't sure how to contact you. I suck at the Internet. But this randomly showed up in my CZcams feed. I really appreciate the way you went through all the albums. I should know because I was in that band for over a decade ha. Hi my name is Jake. It was very refreshing to hear your breakdown of each album, and you weren't so far off. So good on ya mate! And also it brought a lot of nostalgia back to me. There are so many underlining things that even go into song titles ha. What a ride. I appreciate you sir. Thank you!
Thanks so much. These comments make my day
Norma Jean is such an incredible band. They are rare in that they made a huge impact early on and only continue to get stronger with every release. Such a distinctive sound while managing to still achieve a different vibe with each album. Glad you put Meridional on S tier, it is such an underrated record! Redeemer would probably be S tier for me as well
Great list, great takes! Going back to NJ for my workout tunes tomorrow.
Polar Similar is probably my favorite album of theirs. It got me through a rather difficult time in my life. I don’t care too much for their older material but their last 4 albums have all been bangers that I still have in rotation.
Great album. Same with the last 4 being kinda similar and bangers. Praying and hoping they never go pop-ish or towards buttrock - RIP parkway drive.
Beautifully done and explained. I am the biggest fan of All Hail and Polar Similar, so I don't agree with you there but gotta respect the knowledge and passion.
There’s really not a “bad” album here.
Blast from the past, Norma was one of my favorite bands back in the day especially O' God!
Followed them close until Wrongdoers when they fell off my radar, I don't remember why.
I think it's time for a revisit!
I've fallen in such love with Norma Jean that I'm now working on a whole animated series just inspired by them. This includes Luti-Kriss!!!
Not many bands have gotten me to that point, and it's amazing.
Fair call. All hail might be my favourite atm, I love the sludgy and melodic vibes. Where would you rank the orphantwin ep, it almost feels like Norma jean
As with any band with such a long career it's really tough because a band has to compete with past albums and fan nostalgia is a double edged sword! I jumped on this train with Anti Mother which piqued my interest enough to hear more, Meridional was kind of weird to me. I need to listen to it now, it's been a long time! For me all the albums since I have been consistently enjoying alot!
I haven't listened to Death Rattle all the way through but so far I'm really enjoying what I've heard🤘
Definitely worth revisiting some of them. They hold up and maybe even get better
NORMA JEAN!!! YAS! To me, their top album will always be Bless the Martyr, because it was their introduction and made me fall instantly in love (only a handful of bands have done that EVEEEER). Right next to that top spot would be Wrongdoers as when it dropped I couldn't stop listening to it on a daily basis. As for the newest jam, that opening track "1994", kicks you right in the spine if you have a decent sound system in your car. It has that deep, heavy, kind of riff that just makes you smile and want to do bad things. I'm excited to really get into the entire album as I only listened to it twice in its entirety (while driving). I'm enjoying it so far and can't wait to see them in a couple of days.
YESSS, seeing this on my feed made my day! Also wasn’t prepared for the transition at 8:34😂😂😂I almost spit my drink out lmao
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I was happily suprised to see this in my recommended since I didn't think anyone to them seriously enough to call any of there albums. I love them are one of the bands that got me into metal. Even happier to seeing people give their albums 10/10's. Keep on rocking on.
This tier list is A tier. The mask and the memes are S tier. No for real, this was a fun watch. Thanks for sharing! Subbed.
I agree with almost everything in the video, I think it's amazing how the band can be versatile and innovative even with this significant amount of albums, the only thing that would change in the rank is the legendary bless the martyr... he's easy S-tier but otherwise I'm accordingly. about this last album i already fell in love again lol, the math elements mixed with other progressions and melodies captivated me a lot, the breakdowns have the right energy also in general i don't know if i can consider norma jean a metalcore band but classifying this album as " chaotic metalcore/mathcore" I think it's the best of the year so far, maybe with the prog metalcore from aviana or the djent metalcore from oceans to alaska they will take this post but for now norma jean remains at the top
My rankings are pretty much the same as yours with maybe one difference: I'd swap O'God with Meridonial. So glad you called out Charaterantula because that song is massively underrated and hit's like a train. Like you, I was a bit disappointed with The Anti-Mother at the time. I listened to it for awhile, but it didn't hold up compared to the older releases so I kind of drifted away from Norma Jean for awhile. I skipped over Meridonial at it's time. Then in 2013 when Wrongdoers dropped I gave them another chance and holy shit was I glad I did. As you said, Wrongdoers absolutely slapped. One underrated banger on there I want to call out was "The Lash Whistled Like A Singing Wind". It's only 1 minute and hits almost like a grindcore track with an absolutely crushing breakdown at the end. *chefs kiss*. I only then went and revisited Meridonial after my confidence in NJ was restored. But then, I lost interest a second time with their recent releases. Just couldn't get into them.
Haven't sat down with the new one yet, but otherwise the only change I would make is for me Polar Similar is all-time favorite and tied at S with Wrongdoers and Meridional
Polar is 100% God-tier. I The Planet, I think is the best album opener ever.
I love this band, and I really don’t think they have a bad album. I remember playing Halo 3 with the boys on Snowbound and we were down in a close game and my buddy goes “BREAK OUT THE SHOTGUNS! WE’RE GOING TO TOWN” and we still do that shit to this day in shooters lol. I got to see them Headline “Scream the Prayer” Tour as well. My list would be
S - OGTA, BTM&KTC, Redeemer
A - Everything else
B - Luti-kriss
This list makes me wanna go back and listen to their more recent albums, great list!
lmao that’s amazing. Oh those Halo 3 and metalcore days. Good times.
One of my favorite bands ever along with Alexisonfire, The Clash, Madness and Black Sabbath.
You have good taste, great bands!
"Why would anyone in the band be named Alex?"
If you haven't done already, I'd be interested in seeing a video about bands with no original members left, and seeing how that's affected their musical output (positively or negatively)
interesting
Redeemer is amazing, great video, solid list
Really cool analysis of one of my all-time favorite bands. I would have All Hail as A-tier, maybe even S-tier, but I get what you’re saying.
Great video! very important band for me and my family.... "goated"
Deathrattle reminds me of Transition that poison the well made with: you come before you. It's more experimental and yet still rages. It's a like they are redefining themselves. This will take time for me as well to see where it ends up. My top 3 favorite NJ albums are
meridional
Wrongdoers
All Hail
That’s a solid comparison. Maybe even Versions in particular.
Deathrattle feels like an evolution; like Dillinger to Greg and Josh to 68’
Change changes people.
@@theyurireviewer yeah I can see that
Norma jean is my morning coffee right now ☕
First, thanks for taking the time to put this together, NJ deserves more recognition than they get. I'm one to rank the early stuff lower than the newer. Polar Similar is perfection to me, it's sonic umami - (S Tier). Death Rattle - S Tier. I'd put All Hail - Fantastic. Meridonal - Fantastic, nearly S Tier. Anti Mother and Wrongdoers in the Great category. Not a huge fan of Josh Scroggin's vocal style, personal preference. The early albums have iffy production and that's just hard for me to look past, I never spin them. The main thing with Norma Jean is the perspective of the listener. NJ is doing so much in the music, heavy, math, emotion, soul, groove, deep, cerebral that it depends on what one is looking for. There's enough substance that a listener can dig deep and find something new for a long time. That's unique. I find the new stuff to be more cerebral and soul-nourishing than the old and perhaps that's where my scoring system differs. Thanks again for taking the time.
Before I even watch this, i just wanna say Wrongdoers onward is S-tier. Even Deathrattle. Although I might slide it down to A over time. Let's see. Such a consistent band.
Edit: okay, Meridional is S-tier too. Thanks for reminding me lol
Interesting…
@@MetalTrenches my personal Ranking
S: Meridional up to All Hail
A: Redeemer, Oh God, Deathrattle
B: Anti Mother and Bless (I like Josh in The Chariot more)
N/A: Luti-Kriss. Haven't listened to this at all lol.
I prefer the modern Norma Jean more. Something about Cory's vocals are so cathartic. Still enjoyed your breakdown of all the albums. Good shit.
@@MrJacinto0512 if you limited yourself to only 2 S’s like I did…
@@MetalTrenches i'm a huge NJ fan so it's tough for me. My gut says Wrongdoers and Polar.
I was happily suprised to see this in my recommended since I didn't think anyone to them seriously enough to call any of there albums. I love them are one of the bands that got me into metal. Even happier to seeing people give their albums 10/10's. Keep on rocking on.
Bless the Martyr is the best. It’s a masterpiece. That LutiKriss album was good too
Here would be my tier-ranking for Norma Jean:
S - Bless the Martyr and Kiss the Child
A - O’ God the Aftermath, Redeemer, Deathrattle Sing for Me
B - Throwing Myself, The Anti-Mother, Meridional, All Hail
C - Wrongdoers, Polar Similar
Man I love these videos, please keep making these every album😂
I try my best lol
So I'm a Throwing Myself/Bless the Martyr loyalist. Never really made the jump to the new vocalist and general evolution of their sound. I've dabbled in some post-Bless the Martyr stuff (Oh God the Aftermath of course, and Redeemer and here and there a bit)-enough to recognize some of the tracks, but not enough to know what I'm getting into when I hit play on one of those albums. And I always kinda hit that place where I'm like, "This is fine, but I could be listening to Bless the Martyr instead."
Anyway, on a whim (mostly because I was majorly obsessed with digging up early 2000s Norma Jean live performances earlier this summer-there's some ridiculously great shows on CZcams), I decided to listen to Deathrattle while driving to work and... it was pretty good? Like, shockingly so. I'm actually excited to listen to it a few more times and see how it goes down. I might use this as an excuse to backtrack through their whole discography.
Anyway, great vid, even if we disagree a bit on Luti-Kriss, lol. (Maaaaaybe most of my love is nostalgia, but I'll die on that hill.)
I mean I don't dislike any of their albums, but something's gotta be at the bottom.
I would say Reedeemer is their best album for sure it just flows perfectly with the right amount of aggression and progression. The hooks in those songs are sick. Tonight the south is on fire! you're killing me just bury me! Let's break out the shot guns were going to town! Just what are you trying to say! While we thought we were learning how to live we been learning how to die.! Those speak for themselves.
Valid lol (actually, here are my rankings: Bless=S; Meridional, O God=A; Redeemer, Polar Similar=B; All Hail, Anti-Mother=C - will have to check out the new one!)
I fixed it:
S- Bless the martyr, Meridional
A- O'God, Wrongdoers
B- Throwing myself, Death rattle
C- Polar similar
D- All Hail
F- Redeemer, Antimother
Don't know the Luti-Kriss album and I have the very unpopular opinion that Bless The Martyr is my least favorite album. Besides Memphis Will be laid to Waste, nothing on that album does anything for me.
"The Anti Mother" turned me off to Norma Jean and didn't come back until Polar Similar (clearly, I missed Wrongdoers and Meridional and had to go back!)
Do it!
Personally my ranking goes
10.luti kriss
9.the anti mother
8.meridonal
7.wrongdoers
6.deathrattle
5.polar similar
4.redeemer
3.all hail
2.o god,the aftermath
1.bless the martyr and kiss the child
Redeemer is their best work in my opinion, but Polar Similar is my favorite
I have the “trilogy” album with all three CDs in the A tier, love those and Meridional is undoubtably an S tier. I always go back to that one!!
You put the Normie in Norma Jean Icarus, lol. Norma Jean is pretty great, agree with most of your opinions! 🤘
I'm so biased towards The Anti-Mother. It got me through a divorce.
I agree a bunch here but your A-tier is my S-tier and your S-tier would get moved to B right after Anti-mother. Nothing touches the original lineup with Corey for me. When Daniel Davison left before Anti-mother dropped it totally changed the vibe of the band. He’s one of my biggest drumming influences.
I may be alone with this opinion, but I think The Anti-Mother is what Vol 3 was for Slipknot. The album was experimental, yet it still contained the essence of what made the first few records great. That is why The Anti-Mother is S tier for me along with Wrongdoers,
Likely bias from being my first album from them but Bless the Martyr is definitely my favorite. I've been packing the CD around since middle school, still love it.
I totally agree with MERIDIONAL and WRONGDOERS at Perfection. Definitely their best albums. It's so sad that MERIDIONAL doesn't have that great production as WRONGDOERS.
Throwing Myself is A tier. I don’t think NJ has any S tier albums but if they did, TMS would be S. It’s their best.
You gotta do a tier list of Nasum, although they only released four studio albums.
Polar similar is definitely my fav
My favorite band
Yeah the new Norma Jean is cool and all, but I'm still bumping the new Septicflesh. It's seriously SO GOOD
Fair
Flip wrongdoers and Redeemer and i completely agree. Maridional is a masterpiece
I would rank Death Rattle as Superior - they really outdid themselves on it
Came in when Josh was in the band at bless. Dipped after he left. Just not the same band or feel. Still good shoulda changed the name.
Wrongdoers crew forever; furnace fest veteran
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All Hail: "Idk man, I just dont know about this album...I only like * proceeds to list every song from the album*"
Lol all jokes, but fr, I love All Hail. Its probably their best album for me with Wrongdoers being a close #2
I feel like I have the exact opposite opinion as everyone else lol. I thought after Meridional every album had exactly one song I really liked.
Even Wrongdoers?!
@@MetalTrenches ok I'll give you 2, I like Wrongdoers and The Potter..
Wrongdoers Perfection and Polar Similar Good? They have so many similarities. Personally, I'd say both of them are perfect.
this is crazy, i absolutely love polar similar. S for me.
as much as I love Josh Scoggins all of Corys albums are much better and more consistent imo
me personally
S-tier: Redeemer, Polar Similar
A-tier: Bless the Martyr, O God, Anti Mother
B-tier: Meridional, Wrongdoers, All Hail
C-tier: Deathrattle
D-tier: Luti-Kriss
Polar Similar comes in so hard on the the first track. That the rest of the album could of been 30 mins of turds plopping into water, and I’d still give “A” tier.
So in my opinion, i feel like none of the features in Anti-Mother really did anything to enhance the tracks. Chino's has a part in Surrender your Sons that almost feels like he's going off key and it ruins the whole thing. And Page Hamilton's vocal style really doesn't gel with Norma Jean's style, i'm not sure what they were trying to do with that one.
Do you want to review the new Chat Pile album?
It was great. Too niche for its ow video though
Throwing Myself will always be S-tier to me imo, but I mostly agree with everything else
Certified hood classic
Great ranking! OGTA is still bae to me.
Disagree Redeemer is def S tier and Anti-Mother is A tier.
The REAL worst metalcore trend was the acoustic side projects
Polar-Similar is their best produced album by far
Maaaaybe, but the songs just can’t hold up to the classics imo
@@MetalTrenches I agree, but I also think that 3 years after Wrongdoers, they had an album that sounded really great and big.
Meridional, Wrongdoers and Polar Similar are my favorites!
Death Rattle S Tier for sure 🤘🏻
Loool Polar Similar is fkin amazing...next 2 albums tho.... :X
It’s good. Just not as good as the ones that came before imo 🤷🏻♂️
Hands down, the most toxic fanbase in all of metal/metalcore. I know ive said this before, but the Norma Jean fans I encountered acted like they knew everything about music.
So the Tool fans of metalcore. I believe it.
@@MetalTrenches yeah, that's not a bad analogy.
But I'm nice. 😂
I did not enjoy that album at all. First Norma Jean record I heard. My favorite album
of 2022 is False Light by the Ukrainian band White Ward. Have you heard that album yet?
Not a good representation of their sound overall to be honest. Would recommend trying some of those S and A tier albums
Nah.. Just. Nope. Have you done Evergreen Terrace yet? This band imo was always kinda a no go after Memphis. To many bands sounded the same at the time.
Throwing myself is the best
Bless the Martyr and Kiss the Child is top - tier metalcore. Redeemer is up there, in my eyes, as well.
I’ve always wondered if people ever noticed how identical NJ were to that of Botch when it boiled down to their earlier releases, especially when it comes down to NJ’s sound and vocalization of Cory and Josh.
I recall they even said in interviews that OGTA was basically a full on tribute to Botch
@@MetalTrenches Yeah, I’ve seen reviews on that album saying how Botch - influenced O’God the Aftermath was.
@@MetalTrenches If memory serves, I think they recorded it at the same studio.
After 3rd album I gave up on them
Zay-o? I always pronounce it Zaa-o. Huh
@@mikerophone235 No it isn’t. Look up an interview.
@@mikerophone235 Like this one. From the band’s own mouth: czcams.com/video/VQIdATaV_Ew/video.htmlsi=4GBM_Qw04v_f6e4b
Black mass reverends
Sheesh. Polar Similar is C?
Do you personally hate me?
lol no. Like I said it’s good. Just not AS good imo
Can´t imagine putting Meridional over Redeemer, since the production on Meridional is bad compared to Redeemer.
Meridional is just next level songwriting though. Worth a revisit if it’s been a while
@@MetalTrenches redeemer had stronger song writing in my opinion and much more emotional intensity. the drums were much more complex, cause Daniel Davison (i would argue, the drum fills on Redeemer are one of the best of all time) and the bass/guitar work is simply unmatched in their discography with the production. I love Meridional, but it lacks a lot compared to Redeemer.
opinions are like assholes, everyone has one
Indeed
Anti Mother > the rest
Naw but respect
Let's see how many times we can say the word "banger". Trendy shite word of the day.
Cool guy alert 💨
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Sorry, but your opinion on Norma Jean Sucks
If you think that your opinion on a band is the only valid opinion, I don't think it's everyone else who is the problem...
@@MetalTrenches I don't think my opinion is the only valid one lol. It's an opinion.
I just think you ranked the albums incorrectly, in my opinion.
That's all.
@@ericchin739 But the fact that you think there is an “incorrect” way to rank something so subjective seems strange to begin with. Have 100 people do this and all of them are going to be different. That’s how art works. That’s literally the fun of discussing it.
@@MetalTrenches Yes, I understand that. You're arguing semantics at this point lol
I simply disagree with your ranking of the albums, and used words that clearly triggered something.
Though, I will give props for even mentioning Luti-Kriss. Body of God is my favorite by that Era of NJ.
@@ericchin739 disagreeing is fine. Better to just list your own thoughts than to call someone wrong 👍🏻