Both Srila Narayana Maharaj and Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada were perfect ... Some of their disciples like Srila Jayapataka Swami Maharaj and Aindra prabhu, Gour Govind Swami were Nitya-Siddha .. Instead of Fighting who is better .. Our message should be to propagate Krishna Consciousness among the masses and make people devotees! Hare Krishna!
In the audience, so many disciples of Srila Prabhupad are there, also disciples of Srila Bhakti Rakshak Sridhar maharaj, Srila Gaur Govinda maharaj, Srila Swarup Damodar maharaj and many others. It was a disciple of Srila Prabhupad who made a friendly joke that "That's why you cant join ISKCON, (because he chants 64, rather than 16), and that Prabhupad disciple glorifies Srila Gurudev to this day.
So sad watching people make fun of iskcon. Srila Prabhupada’s life and accomplishments was not ordinary but greater then any other. Through Iskcon the teachings of Bhagavad Gita and Srimad Bhagavatam have been brought to all places on earth. The service of Iskcon devotees have done so much good it’s hard to even see its material ramifications such as spread of vegetarianism , what to speak of spiritual. Waves that have touched the all of earth. Are there issues ? yes. Are there fallen gurus? yes. But there are thousands and thousands of individuals. To think that they are all pure souls is missing the point. Before we find fault with individuals let us look inside ourselves and make sure we have no fault of our own. Watching these people laugh and make fun at Iskcon is truly sad. Why? What good does it do ? When I think of how at 14 I received a book that changed my life forever. I’m thankful for Iskcon and all devotees, who while maybe not pure, but have helped give meaning and understanding to my life by giving me a glimpse of what it means that Radha and Krishna love each other.
Sorry you experienced this video in that way Josh. The amount of service Srila Maharaj has performed for Srila Prabhupada and Iskcon can easily be found online. Perhaps familiarising yourself with these accounts might give you a better perspective of what is actually being said in this video as you are missing the subtle point being made here. Srila Maharaj is trying to present a much deeper and broader understanding of Iskcon.
@@ramanandadas4125 Are you not deviated from principles.... First check tour present fallen gurus and then talk about iskcon....no one can be better than iskcon
I am asking are the most gurus in ISKCON fallen? I also read ISKCON Gita but have never seen any guru personally . You may know so asking you. Forgive for any offense.
My Big Family (Sripad Bhakti Svarupa Damodara Maharaja talking about Tridandisvami Sri Srimad Bhaktivedanta Narayana Maharaja, India; November 25, 2004) I came to know about Srila Maharaja several years ago, when he was giving us guidelines. Especially when our Srila Prabhupada departed, he took care of us in such a wonderful and very loving manner - something we can never forget. [Srila Narayana Maharaja] I think always, and I also tell my devotees, that we are in only one family - the family of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu and Sri Nityananda Prabhu. We should always be together and preach their mission throughout the world. If we are united again, we can preach throughout the world - as in the time of Srila Bhaktivedanta Svami Maharaja. (Govardhana, India; November 25, 2004 Tridandisvami Sri Srimad Bhaktivedanta Narayana Maharaja)
I am not a devotee.. As a common people i wanna say something... I am from thakurgaon, Bangladesh. Two temple one of iskcon and one of gaurio math are situated 6 to 7 km away from my home. Some of my closed relatives are directly connected with iskcon and gourio math. I think the main principles of the both organization are similar. It seems that the deviation is on the quality of the devotee who are connected with. And i see that both of the organization have some problem in maintaining the quality of devotees. So i request not to criticise each other so that it doesnt harm our society.
Omg just see the disciples how they are laughing ....... shameless ....... seriously maharaj is telling not to criticize they are laughing and critizing infront of him......so sad
One could argue (to the ones complaining about the devotees in the audience laughing)that you are also criticising by calling them shameless etc. and not understanding the reason behind their laughter.
@@ramanandadas4125 it's obvious why they are laughing , I am surprised to see how come you still won't get it , it so clear , we do respect them but here in that situation we won't encourage them , mistakes do happen with everyone ,
@@kirr4 I thought it was at the irony of how one could argue if he or even Narad and Sukadev Gosvami are an Iskcon member or not. I do see what you mean too actually and I can’t deny that the laughing is a bit too much.
@@ramanandadas4125 we respect their wonderful services that their radhakunj center is distributing so much prasadam every day where in in so called Fiskcon not even following that that's a good service .......
Before they never allowed foreign devotees into gaudiya sampradaya.. It was Srila AbhaycharanBhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada who gave this opportunity to the westerners and they r doing well in devotion.. Iskcon was founded by Swami Prabhupada for this reason only and he moved out of Gaudiya Run by His Godbrothers.. Hare Krishna 🙏Srila Prabhupada ki Jai 🙏
Lol u know nothing. It was Param Pujya Srila Saraswati Prabhupada who ordered Srila Vann Maharaj to preach Lord Chaitanya mahaprabhu to the west. And then Srila Vann Maharaj went Germany, learnt German in 6 month and spread Mahaprabhu Prem in front of Hitler. And when we came back India he brought 2 German disciple with him as well. They were the first foreign devotee of Gaudiya Samprada when there was no trace of ISKON. So go n learn from your Gurudev then comment..haha...Pity your knowledge and cynical mindset.
Please prabhu ji don't use words like LOL, to prove your point., I know you are correct , but whatever we all are of one family , So please let's stop arguing and love and respect each other Hare krishna 🙏 ❤️🙇
Referring to Sastra : Nectar of Devotion: "The spiritual master must never be carried away by an accumulation of wealth or a large number of followers. A bona fide spiritual master will never become like that. But sometimes if a spiritual master is not properly authorized and only on his own initiative becomes a spiritual master, he may be carried away by an accumulation of wealth and large number of disciples. His is not a very grade of devotional service. CONTINUES
@rakeshram So Narayan Maharaj acknowledged the orders from Prabhupada to his disciples, to initiate on his behalf by means of officiating acaryas, ritviks? Did he point to that order? Did Srila Narayan Maharaj tell Srila Prabhupadas disciple to do that? Is that what Naryan Maharaj´s camp is doing now? Pointing to the Ritvik order from Srila Prabhupada? Apart from this I´m sure you`re right. Pranams.
@rakeshram CONTINUED : If a person is carried away by such achievements, then his devotional service becomes slackened. One should therefore strictly adhere to the principle of disciplic succesion." Srila Prabhupada Nector of Devotion p. 116 Edition 1982 "Devotional Qualities". If Prabhupada ordered someone specific something else, so be it. In my understanding the basic order was : Ritvik. Prabhupada used the word in writing, signed by him, in taperecording and witnesses heard. Some did not.
Even after having such a offenceless service , just because you are engaged in laughing and criticizing your god brother and his efforts to spread krishna consciousness , you have lost your purity and dignity . You are simply producing your own burden.
Why making fun of principles established by srila prabhupada.... In every sampradaya some devotees gets fall down but still it has genuine devotees too.... Whether it's iskcon or gudiya math or other sampradaya..... Main thing is that the devotee who is representing any respective parampara is forwarding 'true knowledge As it is ' as taught by acharyas.... That should be the the standard ....!!! Hare Krishna...!!!🙏
He is not criticizing iskcon. So sad people in the comment section are doing aparadh. According to my understanding, gurudev is trying to say even if you are not from iskcon even if you have not taken initiation from iskcon guru , you are qualified to perform bhakti if you are chanting more and more rounds, following all the principles. You can be in any sampradaya if you are a sincere devotee you are qualified for doing Krishna bhakti, spreading chaitanya mahaprabhu's message. That's why he gave an example of him talking to a iskcon Prabhu that what are the rules for joining iskcon. He was trying to make us understand that we can b in any sampradaya and do bhakti. Hare Krishna.
Yf u give respect to one pure devotee and comited offenses against other pure devotee the result certanly is the hell , be careful with offenses , the Iskcon finished in the time that the bogus gurus poisoned Swami Maharaja (prabhupada) and reject Srila Narayana Maharaja !!! aparadhis out here !!!!
A real guru never glorifies oneself or even offend anyone trying to do devotional service. Pandita Sama Darshi. We all are practicing devotees and regulations are needed for sadhakas. So disciples should always respect the guru parampara rather than pointing which organization or acharya is false. Acharyas are to be followed be in any sampradaya. We will never advance if we as a disciples fail to address what is the real teachings. Orelse vaishnava ninda is so dangerous that this will never let us advance and seek the real devotion.
He is not criticizing iskcon. So sad people in the comment section are doing aparadh. According to my understanding, gurudev is trying to say even if you are not from iskcon even if you have not taken initiation from iskcon guru , you are qualified to perform bhakti if you are chanting more and more rounds, following all the principles. You can be in any sampradaya if you are a sincere devotee you are qualified for doing Krishna bhakti, spreading chaitanya mahaprabhu's message. That's why he gave an example of him talking to a iskcon Prabhu that what are the rules for joining iskcon. He was trying to make us understand that we can b in any sampradaya and do bhakti. Hare Krishna.
Follow the order of the spiritual Master : Founder Acarya of The International Society for Krishnaconsciousness Srila Prabhupadas last directives : Initiate on my behalf. They did not abide, they initiated on their own behalf. Look what happened. Did Narayan Maharaj follow Srila Prabhupadas order? Is he telling them to follow their Spiritual Masters last order? For clarification see i.e. "The Pyramid House Confessions" December 3rd 1980 by Tamal Krishna Goswami
He is not criticizing iskcon. So sad people in the comment section are doing aparadh. According to my understanding, gurudev is trying to say even if you are not from iskcon even if you have not taken initiation from iskcon guru , you are qualified to perform bhakti if you are chanting more and more rounds, following all the principles. You can be in any sampradaya if you are a sincere devotee you are qualified for doing Krishna bhakti, spreading chaitanya mahaprabhu's message. That's why he gave an example of him talking to a iskcon Prabhu that what are the rules for joining iskcon. He was trying to make us understand that we can b in any sampradaya and do bhakti. Hare Krishna.
This individual is NOT at Prabhupada's level, not even close. Please don't insult my intelligence and life long experiences, which include being in His Divine Grace's Association on 3 separate occasions. Pure devotees clearly are not part of this world. Gour Govinda Swami was (is) one. Sriman Aindra Prabhu was (is) was clearly very advanced, any sincere soul could see that. Besides that, could be more, have not seen them from Iskcon et al. Almost all are shiksa POSING as diksha gurus. Om Tat Sat
@@kunal007216 You're laughing at me ? No problem. Have a good laugh. Ignorance is bliss. Believe what you want. Worship who you want. All glories to Srila Prabhupada
@@ziggyschumann5284 exactly what else I was supposed to do then?? People from ISKON are so much jealous that they don't know any boundary and ready to do Vaishnava apradh to prove themselves right. It's good swami maharaj took samadhi before seeing desciple like you. Go n hear the conversation between both Vaishnavas and u will know who was he.
Both Srila Narayana Maharaj and Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada were perfect ... Some of their disciples like Srila Jayapataka Swami Maharaj and Aindra prabhu, Gour Govind Swami were Nitya-Siddha .. Instead of Fighting who is better .. Our message should be to propagate Krishna Consciousness among the masses and make people devotees!
Hare Krishna!
Jay , today i found genuine devotee pranam🙏
You mentioned Aindra prabhu i am so happy thanks
Srila Narayan Maharaj ki Jai sarila prabhupada ki jay
In the audience, so many disciples of Srila Prabhupad are there, also disciples of Srila Bhakti Rakshak Sridhar maharaj, Srila Gaur Govinda maharaj, Srila Swarup Damodar maharaj and many others.
It was a disciple of Srila Prabhupad who made a friendly joke that "That's why you cant join ISKCON, (because he chants 64, rather than 16), and that Prabhupad disciple glorifies Srila Gurudev to this day.
So sad watching people make fun of iskcon. Srila Prabhupada’s life and accomplishments was not ordinary but greater then any other. Through Iskcon the teachings of Bhagavad Gita and Srimad Bhagavatam have been brought to all places on earth. The service of Iskcon devotees have done so much good it’s hard to even see its material ramifications such as spread of vegetarianism , what to speak of spiritual. Waves that have touched the all of earth.
Are there issues ? yes. Are there fallen gurus? yes. But there are thousands and thousands of individuals. To think that they are all pure souls is missing the point. Before we find fault with individuals let us look inside ourselves and make sure we have no fault of our own.
Watching these people laugh and make fun at Iskcon is truly sad. Why? What good does it do ?
When I think of how at 14 I received a book that changed my life forever. I’m thankful for Iskcon and all devotees, who while maybe not pure, but have helped give meaning and understanding to my life by giving me a glimpse of what it means that Radha and Krishna love each other.
Sorry you experienced this video in that way Josh. The amount of service Srila Maharaj has performed for Srila Prabhupada and Iskcon can easily be found online. Perhaps familiarising yourself with these accounts might give you a better perspective of what is actually being said in this video as you are missing the subtle point being made here. Srila Maharaj is trying to present a much deeper and broader understanding of Iskcon.
@@ramanandadas4125 Oh I am speaking about the people in the audience, not Narayana Maharaja
Patit Pawan AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupad Ki Jai
@@ramanandadas4125 Are you not deviated from principles.... First check tour present fallen gurus and then talk about iskcon....no one can be better than iskcon
I am asking are the most gurus in ISKCON fallen? I also read ISKCON Gita but have never seen any guru personally . You may know so asking you. Forgive for any offense.
Srila Prabhupada Ki Jai!
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Hare krishna dandwat parnam 🙏🙏
Srila Gurudev ki jay
Hare krsna
Very beautiful 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
My Big Family
(Sripad Bhakti Svarupa Damodara Maharaja talking about Tridandisvami Sri Srimad Bhaktivedanta Narayana Maharaja, India; November 25, 2004)
I came to know about Srila Maharaja several years ago, when he was giving us guidelines. Especially when our Srila Prabhupada departed, he took care of us in such a wonderful and very loving manner - something we can never forget.
[Srila Narayana Maharaja] I think always, and I also tell my devotees, that we are in only one family - the family of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu and Sri Nityananda Prabhu. We should always be together and preach their mission throughout the world. If we are united again, we can preach throughout the world - as in the time of Srila Bhaktivedanta Svami Maharaja. (Govardhana, India; November 25, 2004 Tridandisvami Sri Srimad Bhaktivedanta Narayana Maharaja)
I am not a devotee.. As a common people i wanna say something... I am from thakurgaon, Bangladesh. Two temple one of iskcon and one of gaurio math are situated 6 to 7 km away from my home. Some of my closed relatives are directly connected with iskcon and gourio math. I think the main principles of the both organization are similar. It seems that the deviation is on the quality of the devotee who are connected with. And i see that both of the organization have some problem in maintaining the quality of devotees. So i request not to criticise each other so that it doesnt harm our society.
Who is talking , tell him to stop first 😂
Jai Gurudev 🙏🌺🌿🌼🌿🌺🌿🌼🌿🌺🙏
Hare Krishnan
Thank you for posting this :)
JAI SRILA GURUDEVA SRILA BV NARAYANA GOSVAMI MAHARAJA JAI SRILA SVAMI PRABHUPADA
Jai Srila Gurudev
Hare Krishna prabhu!
You preaching mahaprabhu
Porfavor ... Gurudev .. imploró su misericordia sin causa..... 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🌸🍃🐚
Jay sril gurudev
Gurudeva is perfect!
listen carefully you are hearing from a Maha-Bhagavata
Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Maharaja Ky Jay !!!!!
Srila praphupada ki jai
Srila pravhupada ki jai
Omg just see the disciples how they are laughing ....... shameless ....... seriously maharaj is telling not to criticize they are laughing and critizing infront of him......so sad
One could argue (to the ones complaining about the devotees in the audience laughing)that you are also criticising by calling them shameless etc. and not understanding the reason behind their laughter.
@@ramanandadas4125 it's obvious why they are laughing , I am surprised to see how come you still won't get it , it so clear , we do respect them but here in that situation we won't encourage them , mistakes do happen with everyone ,
@@ramanandadas4125 please give your version why they are laughing ? Make me to understand I am not perfect I might have misunderstood also ......
@@kirr4 I thought it was at the irony of how one could argue if he or even Narad and Sukadev Gosvami are an Iskcon member or not. I do see what you mean too actually and I can’t deny that the laughing is a bit too much.
@@ramanandadas4125 we respect their wonderful services that their radhakunj center is distributing so much prasadam every day where in in so called Fiskcon not even following that that's a good service .......
his divane grace srila a.c. bhaktivedanta swami prabhupada is founder acharya of ISKCON.
Before they never allowed foreign devotees into gaudiya sampradaya.. It was Srila AbhaycharanBhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada who gave this opportunity to the westerners and they r doing well in devotion.. Iskcon was founded by Swami Prabhupada for this reason only and he moved out of Gaudiya Run by His Godbrothers.. Hare Krishna 🙏Srila Prabhupada ki Jai 🙏
. There were German Devotees during WWII of the Gaudiya Matha.
This was Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Prabhupada's advise to Srila Prabhupada
To go to foreign and preach Krishna consciousness
Lol u know nothing.
It was Param Pujya Srila Saraswati Prabhupada who ordered Srila Vann Maharaj to preach Lord Chaitanya mahaprabhu to the west. And then Srila Vann Maharaj went Germany, learnt German in 6 month and spread Mahaprabhu Prem in front of Hitler. And when we came back India he brought 2 German disciple with him as well. They were the first foreign devotee of Gaudiya Samprada when there was no trace of ISKON. So go n learn from your Gurudev then comment..haha...Pity your knowledge and cynical mindset.
Please prabhu ji don't use words like LOL, to prove your point., I know you are correct , but whatever we all are of one family ,
So please let's stop arguing and love and respect each other
Hare krishna 🙏 ❤️🙇
Referring to Sastra : Nectar of Devotion: "The spiritual master must never be carried away by an accumulation of wealth or a large number of followers. A bona fide spiritual master will never become like that. But sometimes if a spiritual master is not properly authorized and only on his own initiative becomes a spiritual master, he may be carried away by an accumulation of wealth and large number of disciples. His is not a very grade of devotional service. CONTINUES
it seams like you didn't listen to what is spoken in this video...Hare Krsna
Y catch iskcon devotees
@rakeshram
So Narayan Maharaj acknowledged the orders from Prabhupada to his disciples, to initiate on his behalf by means of officiating acaryas, ritviks?
Did he point to that order?
Did Srila Narayan Maharaj tell Srila Prabhupadas disciple to do that?
Is that what Naryan Maharaj´s camp is doing now?
Pointing to the Ritvik order from Srila Prabhupada?
Apart from this I´m sure you`re right. Pranams.
Nope...u r giving ur own thoughts..
Srila Gurudevs Sanga does not practice Ritvik at all. So no.
@rakeshram CONTINUED :
If a person is carried away by such achievements, then his devotional service becomes slackened. One should therefore strictly adhere to the principle of disciplic succesion."
Srila Prabhupada Nector of Devotion p. 116 Edition 1982 "Devotional Qualities".
If Prabhupada ordered someone specific something else, so be it. In my understanding the basic order was : Ritvik. Prabhupada used the word in writing, signed by him, in taperecording and witnesses heard. Some did not.
Even after having such a offenceless service , just because you are engaged in laughing and criticizing your god brother and his efforts to spread krishna consciousness , you have lost your purity and dignity . You are simply producing your own burden.
Y dont u join iskcon,u your own mission,math
Why making fun of principles established by srila prabhupada.... In every sampradaya some devotees gets fall down but still it has genuine devotees too.... Whether it's iskcon or gudiya math or other sampradaya..... Main thing is that the devotee who is representing any respective parampara is forwarding 'true knowledge As it is ' as taught by acharyas.... That should be the the standard ....!!! Hare Krishna...!!!🙏
He is not criticizing iskcon. So sad people in the comment section are doing aparadh. According to my understanding, gurudev is trying to say even if you are not from iskcon even if you have not taken initiation from iskcon guru , you are qualified to perform bhakti if you are chanting more and more rounds, following all the principles. You can be in any sampradaya if you are a sincere devotee you are qualified for doing Krishna bhakti, spreading chaitanya mahaprabhu's message. That's why he gave an example of him talking to a iskcon Prabhu that what are the rules for joining iskcon. He was trying to make us understand that we can b in any sampradaya and do bhakti. Hare Krishna.
Reinitiating Sr Prabhupada disciples is a great offense.
Yf u give respect to one pure devotee and comited offenses against other pure devotee the result certanly is the hell , be careful with offenses , the Iskcon finished in the time that the bogus gurus poisoned Swami Maharaja (prabhupada) and reject Srila Narayana Maharaja !!! aparadhis out here !!!!
So why did he want so much to join ISKCON?
@@jiveshvaridevidasi3983 he didn't want to join ....IT'S A JOKE ....are you that dense ?
A real guru never glorifies oneself or even offend anyone trying to do devotional service.
Pandita Sama Darshi.
We all are practicing devotees and regulations are needed for sadhakas.
So disciples should always respect the guru parampara rather than pointing which organization or acharya is false.
Acharyas are to be followed be in any sampradaya.
We will never advance if we as a disciples fail to address what is the real teachings.
Orelse vaishnava ninda is so dangerous that this will never let us advance and seek the real devotion.
You are a sannayaai,but u spoke fully new nonsence..u are criticized to bhaktisiddantha maharaj that's all
He is not criticizing iskcon. So sad people in the comment section are doing aparadh. According to my understanding, gurudev is trying to say even if you are not from iskcon even if you have not taken initiation from iskcon guru , you are qualified to perform bhakti if you are chanting more and more rounds, following all the principles. You can be in any sampradaya if you are a sincere devotee you are qualified for doing Krishna bhakti, spreading chaitanya mahaprabhu's message. That's why he gave an example of him talking to a iskcon Prabhu that what are the rules for joining iskcon. He was trying to make us understand that we can b in any sampradaya and do bhakti. Hare Krishna.
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Follow the order of the spiritual Master : Founder Acarya of The International Society for Krishnaconsciousness Srila Prabhupadas last directives : Initiate on my behalf. They did not abide, they initiated on their own behalf. Look what happened. Did Narayan Maharaj follow Srila Prabhupadas order? Is he telling them to follow their Spiritual Masters last order? For clarification see i.e. "The Pyramid House Confessions" December 3rd 1980 by Tamal Krishna Goswami
Ur ritvik propaganda is insulting to Srila Prabhupada.
@@eric5906 After the demise of Srila Prabhupada in November 1977 the order was/is 'on my order only'.
@@eric5906 Of course ritvik initiation is not the way after Nov. 1977.
Why does he need to criticize iskcon ?
He is not criticizing iskcon. So sad people in the comment section are doing aparadh. According to my understanding, gurudev is trying to say even if you are not from iskcon even if you have not taken initiation from iskcon guru , you are qualified to perform bhakti if you are chanting more and more rounds, following all the principles. You can be in any sampradaya if you are a sincere devotee you are qualified for doing Krishna bhakti, spreading chaitanya mahaprabhu's message. That's why he gave an example of him talking to a iskcon Prabhu that what are the rules for joining iskcon. He was trying to make us understand that we can b in any sampradaya and do bhakti. Hare Krishna.
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Do not do aparat
So unfortunate so sad
bogus guru
This individual is NOT at Prabhupada's level, not even close. Please don't insult my intelligence and life long experiences, which include being in His Divine Grace's Association on 3 separate occasions. Pure devotees clearly are not part of this world. Gour Govinda Swami was (is) one. Sriman Aindra Prabhu was (is) was clearly very advanced, any sincere soul could see that. Besides that, could be more, have not seen them from Iskcon et al. Almost all are shiksa POSING as diksha gurus. Om Tat Sat
Just keep your opinior for yourself. Fallen soul, like all of us, what significant points can you provide except your tragic speculations?
lol you know nothing about bhakti then. Even srila swami maharaj would be ashmed on devotee like you..
@@kunal007216 You're laughing at me ? No problem. Have a good laugh. Ignorance is bliss. Believe what you want. Worship who you want.
All glories to Srila Prabhupada
@@ziggyschumann5284 exactly what else I was supposed to do then?? People from ISKON are so much jealous that they don't know any boundary and ready to do Vaishnava apradh to prove themselves right. It's good swami maharaj took samadhi before seeing desciple like you. Go n hear the conversation between both Vaishnavas and u will know who was he.
Srila gurudev ki Jay Jay