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- The Mesa Vintage 30 cabinet. It's modern metal's used diaper. But there's something new, that sounds great, and costs a whole lot less!
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I'm Glenn Fricker, engineer here at Spectre Sound Studios. I love making records, and after doing it for sixteen years, I want to pass on what I've learned. On my channel you can find tutorials on how to record guitar, bass, real drums and vocals. There's reviews and demos of tube amps, amp sims, drums, mics, preamps, outboard gear, Electric Guitar, Bass Guitar, and plugin effects.
We've covered Moon on the Water, played Bias FX, given you the absolute best in Stupid Musician Texts, ranted & raved about bass guitar, and this channel is where The Eagle has Landed.
Everything you've wanted to learn about recording Hard Rock & Heavy Metal can be found right here on this channel!
I also respond to your comments & questions: The best make it into the SMG Viewer's Comments series of videos. Loads of fun, lots of laughs.
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That $10 handling fee is what kept the box from getting speed holes. You're welcome, Glenn.
Signed, Canadian government.
Laughs in Trudeau.
"Effort. The Achilles heel of guitar players in the information age." I love it!
Never before have I been so offended by something I 100% agree with.
@@ivyhallquist3159Same. 😂😂😂
It would be really cool to hear an A/B video with the HB V30 cab vs the HB GB cab. As always, you have cool content, Glenn!
This, absolutely!
Really loved the chunky Rhythm tone on Rig A. Loved the singing lead tone on Rig B. Couldn't tell you which is which, but a combo of the two would be the money mix for me.
Right there with you man. Loved rig A for the rhythm.
The "dumb commenter" character is great. Nigel, you do a great job!
I’m a beginner. I have a Boss Katana 50 watt Mk2. I swapped out the stock speaker with a 75 watt Celestian Creamback and cut a cheap piece of pine wood to make the 50MK2 a semi open back like the 100 watt Boss Katana Artist.
Metal sounds absolutely awesome at the low volumes I play in my condo. I’m really happy with it and enjoying it a lot.
Boss Katana is LEGIT. I run a Mk.1 head into a Peavey 4x12 cab loaded with Celestion G12K's. It chugs.
plug that bad boy into a pc and download some tones or use the in depth software to tweak the tones, i hated my boss katana until i did that and now i love it to death, all the default presets suck imo and just sound like run of the mill crappy solid state amps until you actually go in and fine tune things, i found a killer 5150 tone someone made tweaked it slightly and man does this thing rip compared to the default settings
Awesome dude, I'm gonna try a Redback 150 in my mk2 100 in a couple months, can't wait.
Do you mind if I ask what are the dimensions of the piece of wood for the Katana 50? and how did you mount it? I have a 50w Mk1 (Same size) and would like to do the same, Cheers!
@@gentelmanjunkie542 I'm running my Orange SuperCrush 100 into the Redback that came in the combo and gotta admit man, I really dig the speaker. It's got a weird thing in the upper mid-range that you need to be a little aware of, but nothing that a little eq and rolling off the tone knob won't fix quickly.
Kinda freaked how your video production still just keeps going up, man. Respect.
HB also have a Creamback loaded cab IIRC. Creambacks to my ears combine the great parts of V30s and Greenbacks
It surprises you someone with editing help has good edits? 😅😅😅😂😂😂😂
Thanks!
I just put a Creamback in my DSL401 and now I'm sad I didn't do it 15 years ago. It sounds so lovely now. I'm glad I recorded the old sound because I've already forgotten it. Like a bad dream.
Dude, that sounds great. Also, good to see the 906 get some love. Got an IR pack with that and really liked how it sounded.
Great video, Glenn. I like your new videos, it's refreshing to see you change it up. Happy Holidays!
Thanks, Natasha! I’m trying to make my videos better, so you all have something to look forward to when a new one comes out!
Honestly I’m excited to see this “upgrade”. You’re the reason why I went with the original Harley Benton 212. I love that I can get a great tone (even if it is a little common) for such a low price! I use my Harley Benton 212 live and I’ve NEVER had someone say “that sounded cheap” or “my mesa sounds waaaayyyyy better than that”. I’m one of those people who wouldn’t mind spending $1500 on a cab so the fact that you saved me $1200, THANK YOU
Thank you for doing the open and closed enclosure test. Yes, it does make that much difference. Cool review on the green backs!
Hey Glen, I built my own 2x12 cab from Baltic Birch plywood I had sitting around. I put a “Swamp Thang” and a “Man-O-War” from Eminence in it. I also made a three piece removable back. I mostly did this just because I love woodworking and wanted something different. I mostly play sludge/doom type music and this thing works great for it in my opinion. Thank you for all you do and the info you share with us. I know I understand recording a little better than I did a few years ago.
I liked Rig A for the rhythm and Rig B for the lead. The removable baffle is a solid added value for the tonal options. I wonder what two opened cabs strapped together back to back in the ‘supercab’ configuration would sound like.
Carcass did that, but only one cab was loaded.
THIS -- I liked Rig A for the rhythm and Rig B for the lead.
Yeah, agreed. I would also say that if I had to pick one or the other, I could live with Rig A for lead far easier than Rig B for rhythm. So that said, of course Rig A will end up being the cheaper one. 😂
I approve this statement.
Me too!
Yes!!! Great to hear the news that Thomann is listening.
And thank you Glenn for letting us know that they released it.
I preferred the sound of rig B in the shootout, but wasn't crazy about either sound... Which for me, I think, is that e906. I haven't been able to come around to liking its sound yet.
The Royer R-10 is my current favorite flavor mic. It's super forgiving to use too, but it's hardly as affordable as the 906 or a 57.
Try a Beyerdynamic M201! It's not flavor at all, actually; just a very hi-fi dynamic mic with a flat response. I've got four of 'em now and I've used them on a lot of sources, and they kick ass on all of them. Also especially good on snare. Downside: Beyerdynamic just jacked the price up $100 this year, so they're now $400 (USD). What changed? The paint. LAME.
@@soundman1402 , Thanks for the suggestion!
I'll have to look around and see if I can find some samples comparing it to the Lewitt MTP 440-DM I am currently using. (Which is the same price as an SM57, but I like the snare sound better with it.)
This was a most excellent episode! Both informative and extremely entertaining. Love the added Nigel humor!
Wonderful work glenn
I’m not against changing speakers and getting a different sound at all, and I’m DEFINITELY sold on the difference it can make, but from a listener’s perspective, live and on a record, I’ve never ever said to my self “wow these guys sound the same as everyone else using vintage 30s”. Even though I know probably MOST of my favorite bands over the years have probably used them. I don’t think I can tell when a band or engineer chose a different mic or speakers on the record. Can this get lost in the recording process?
That's because no one says that. If you want to sound unique, it has to be in the music. If you're playing the same shit everyone else is, Greenbacks won't save you. While I agree a speaker change is the most significant change you can put on an amp and your tone, it isn't a magic key to new sounds. That's gotta come from the musician.
Good enough for Eddie Van Halen, good enough for anyone; the Greenback has become the forgotten gem of speakers.
Not really forgotten, probably the most produced speaker by celestion after the V30 I'd guess, or even on par with it.
@@luca4352 Yeah, maybe forgotten for metal I meant to say.
@@MichaelD8393 Yeah sure, for tight metal it's rather uncommon. In the 80s and 90s though greenbacks were widely used by a lot of the hairmetal and grunge bands.
@@luca4352 Word. Judas Priest used the Greenbacks for years.
The editing on your videos has really improved. All the little cuts and memes and jokes. Well done!
Man, your playing is great!! The new HB cab is great also. Thanks for bringing it to us!
Just picked up an e906 based upon this video. I've been running my Lewitt 240 and (obviously) the SM57 so it will be cool to see what results I get out of this! I've got a 4x12 on the way too and that should be a pretty fun weekend with the two combined when they arrive. Thanks for turning me on to the Sennheiser, Glenn! :)
I doubt that you'll be disappointed. I'm running a custom 2x12 for home studio use, loaded with a G12K85 and V30. I use the SM57 on the K85 (slightly off axis) and the E906 on the V30, into a dedicated two channel mixer and it sounds amazing!
I really liked the e906 demos I’ve heard so far. They don’t have the same SM57 high end, but I like that.
I love my E906. I use mine mostly for live playback and playing guitar online. Love the sounds I can get with the E906
Both rigs sounded great; If you told me I could get a great sound for not much money and it would be either tone, but I couldn't know in advance which tone went to which rig, I'd honestly take it, sight unseen. Yeah there was a slight difference in tone - one sounded a little warmer than the other to me - but both sounded "record-ready" which is what matters.
But this pales in comparison to the real star of the show - Nigel! He's just spectacular.
Great insight and well delivered, hooked and will be a continued supporter of the channel.Thanks for looking out for us little guys..
these Edits on yur vids have leveled up noticeably, keep up the gr8 work man.
Love the new edits! 👍
Yeah, my editor deserves a gold star for this one!
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Love the blind test. They both sounded great to me. If I ever need another cabinet, Harley Benton it is. Mojotone also makes killer cabs. Not quite as cheap as Harley, but I'm a huge Mojotone fan and buy their products since they are local to me. And Nigel is the ying to your yang. Great addition to the show!
There’s an IR in my fm9 based off a joyo cab it sounds wicked
Glenn!!! I rarely comment nowadays but I always love your content, and I gotta say; the editing has really been elevated to a new level! Keep up the good work, and a happy and healthy holiday season to you and the team!
Happy Holidays! 💙
@@zizgorlin 🩵 you too !
I have watched 5 of you’re videos today, I subscribed. I like how you’re trying to help people out with you’re reviews and showing you can buy good quality gear without going broke. We have all probably over spent on gear over the years. I play a variety of styles and find you’re channel extremely helpful.
Prefered B, which I think is the "cheap" rig. Just bought a new 4X12 a few months ago (with the anticipation to change the speakers to greenbacks). So happy to see HB finally has a greenback option now, might pick one up as I'm using a 6505MH 20W amp, as obligated with a 808 in the front. Thanks for the great video again Glenn, the Monty Python bit cracked me up! XD
I found the a rig to sound best, but i dont know wich is the cheap one...
you were wrong on which rig that was, but i loved the "b" rig as well
I think the tonewood sounded superior in the 2nd clip. You can really hear the saturated highs from the roasted neck and single-cut body.
Obviously a joke. I had to stop myself from laughing too loud and disrupting people around me when Nigel said the first part.
both tones were amazing! I would proudly use either one. Another great video!
Holy shit haven't watched in a while still catching up on old VC videos, love the jump cuts. Keep it up Glenn!
Great Video, Glenn. Your editor is fantastic!
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Since Marshall is using "made in China" parts in their UK models nowadays, why not just save money and buy a made in China amp?
Been a while since i watched one of your videos. I love this funny wizard man cut scenes. He is quite humorous.
Here and love the channel! Great video content as per usual! Studio geek here watching from sunny key west fl!
Glenn, let's chat about a few things here! First, Ziz is KILLING IT with the editing in your videos, highly entertaining! Second, Nigel is a great and hilarious addition to the channel, hope it continues! Third, the fact that you can keep making so many videos for possibly better or more affordable alternatives, with so many closed minded idiotic comments constantly thrown your way is absolutely amazing and probably deserves some kind of an award or medal! Just know that some of us are grateful for this and happy to learn of things like this! Cheers from VA (f*ck you Glenn)
Did he pay you to say this
@scribeofsolace no, but I'm totally taking donations if you, he or anybody wants to 🤣
Thanks!
Salesmen....everywhere
I prefered the tone of rig A. Couldn't tell you which rig is which confidently, but I will guess B is the cheap rig just based on my impression of greenback IRs I've used in the past.
Love Harley Benton cabs. Been thinking of swapping one of the v30s in my 2x12 for something that will blend well. Maybe a Jensen Nighthawk or something interesting. More speaker videos to help me make up my mind please😂
My Orange 2x12 is loaded with a V30 (UK made, not sure if that makes a difference) and a Celestion Alnico Cream, they work amazingly well together. If you’re interested in an Alnico Cream try to find a used one in good shape, as they are stupid expensive new.
I sorta liked b better, less defined but smoother in the lead.
congratulations, you were wrong
DIY is the option I go for. Build my own cabinets, load 'em up with mix-matched drivers and there you go.
I like the E 906. I like the way it pairs up with my SM57 when I track two different speakers.
Nigel as the tone snob guitar player character had me laughing out loud.
Keep up the great work, also I've enjoyed the sound of RIG A more. for no particular reason it just sounded better to me.
Would be wonderful if we could just purchase gear by hearing only how they sound and price tags. Hide the brand name and you may just end up finding something that YOU ACTUALLY LIKE THE SOUND OF
I thought the Gibson merge was the worst thing to happen to Mesa.
Not anyone!
Great cab and great giveaway. Rig A and Rig B both sounded great to my ears. It was fun to have an Extreme-style funk metal tune for the test. 👍🏽
long time listener and subscriber. Thank you for what you do. It is refreshing to see honesty and true data. I have an Orange 1x12 w/ Vintage30, its what I got and I have loved it, but now I am wanting to add another 1x12. Curious if you have mixed speaker wattages, my orange is 65 watts, if I added a HB1x12 w/25 watt greenbacks, would I even hear them?
I thought the Mark VII was the worst thing. “This amp is SO advanced that we had to skip a generation. Except all we did was take the Mark V and make minor tweaks to it.”
Apparently the JP 2C was the Mark VI. 🤷♂️
I thought the VII having the Fat and Crunch channels duplicated on both 1 and 2 was a dumb idea. Did enough players like those two channels that much?
Nigel is really killing it
Glenn, that riff you played, is my favorite of all your riffs. I like it so much, I learned it, incase we get to jam that Rriff live.
Hey Glenn, been a subscriber for a while now. Just wanted to thank you for 1 simple statement made in this video. The sound is in the speakers. Wish i'd known that instead of falling for gear fear mongering all these years. Thanks to your videos on this topic I've taken a different more analytical approach and made more informed gear purchases. Cheers from NY.
Great to have Nigel, BTW ^^
I've been building my own cabs for about 8 years and always put a removable hatch with latches so you dont need tools to remove them. Slap a condensor back there with the phase flipped and you can capture some of the 'woof'to blend in if you want it. Love that seeing that feature on cabs now
I like the Harley Benton cabs too. I only have a 1x12 but I have used all the passive HB cabs and they make great platforms for different speakers
Love the production of this video. Keep it up.
It’s nice to always hear different speaker alternatives. If people find something interesting about one particular speaker but they are unsure of using it by itself, they could also try speaker blends. The possibilities are endless in that realm
I use a Paul Landers Flyrig going direct into an audio interface. Definitely a unique sound that isn't overused. Awesome video, Glenn!
“I’d never play THIS… Through THAT!” Haven’t lol’ed this hard in a YT vid in a long time. Nigel must stay! 🤣🤣🤣
I "thought" Rig: A sounded a little brighter, but other than that, I couldn't tell you which one was which.
Keep on rockin' Glenn.
Recommended the horizontal 212 to 4 of my friends and they love them. We compared them to the Randall, Hughes and Kettner, and Mesa 212s and although they all sound different, one wasn't better than the other. The HBs are excellent. Thanks for all you have done for us Glen. Cheers man!
I own a pair of Sennheiser E906 since around 2012. They are some of my absolute favourites for guitar.
ive gigged with this harley benton cabinet multiple times and it has help up and still sounds great, i must say i wish i had a 1960 b cab though just for the sound and presentation
You always put out really good content and stuff I've been following you for a while now and stuff others since the day your stream popped up on my CZcams and I've been watching you for a while keep up the good work you do amazing stuff and I love your reviews you're an awesome dude you're truly fan your friend on CZcams Take Care happy holidays and a merry Christmas and a happy New Year's to you and your family
Always love your shirts Glenn!
I don't know how many folks dog on one's personal rig, but tone & sound is in the beholder. Don't laugh at me, but I have a Line 6 MKii 240 head that a lot of folks makes fun of, but I dialed in a tone that sounds like my old Randall RG 100. Love your content & all your reviews!
I'm gonna try this Harly Benton thing out. For sure!!!
As usual, great informative and funny video.
Might I also add, your playing has come a long way over last few years. And been watching since Bass is Lif.
A was more bitey, B more smooth to my ears.
I liked A for the Riff part and B for the Solo part.
Both sounded absolutely great to me, though.
Also, I have to say it's great to see and hear the players that you gave videography tips to.
Thanks for all the great fucking content and working like a beast, you maniac.
I'm happy to see it pay off for you and delighted you keep just giving back to the community!
I got me some LP-6's because of you and and I'll be gosh darn danged if those don't bing bang boodle my gazoodle.
Have fun reading this out loud
Nice one !
Thanks for the opportunity 😃
The very few times I leave the Bass on the stand to pick up a guitar, it goes through my late 70's brown Marshall Lead 100 Mosfet ... Not quite what you expect to play Metal 🤣
Thanks Glenn ❤
Great info as usual
I actually came to your channel to research the first Harley Benton cab and you sold me on the vertical. I was pretty shocked at the difference opening the back made.
Another great video as usual👍
I’d love a Harley Benton cab to try with my Fillmore 50! Love your channel, Glenn. Finally getting into Reaper, too, and it’s great!
Glen!!! First, thank you as always for all of your content! I've been following you for a couple years now, and I love everything you do, from suggesting Distrokid (which enabled me to release my first album thanks to YOU), to recommending Rhino from Aurora DSP... and I also would like to get a Viscous one day, they look so sick and sound very good (at least through your rig lol). Also, your advice that you've given regarding recording, gear, techniques, etc. have been a fantastic help in my own home studio recordings, particularly learning the Fredman mic technique! I definitely owe you.
Second, I wanted to weigh in on the blind test for this episode... I like Rig A better, it seems brighter and has a fuller body... I'm not even going to try to say which was which, I'm just going to leave it as Rig A winning. Rig B seemed a bit more dull and just lacked punch and body. It wasn't horrible or anything, it just lost to Rig A.
Lastly, I've been watching you progress in your playing, you are just kickin' ass by leaps and bounds, so, that leaves me with this question... are you gearing up to possibly drop some Glen-shit on us at some point in the future? I know I would love to see what you come up with considering your studio experience, love for metal, and your knowledge on song creation. That is definitely something I would look forward to!
You keep making 'em, I'll keep watchin' em. Thanks again!
I really love the clarity on Rig A, I might be mistaken because I am not too familiar with the blackback speaker, but I remember swapping once a 16ohm greenback with a 8ohm version of it, clarity still remained with the difference in the mids, so I want to say that Rig A is the affordable HB with the greenbacks, it reminds of how clear the greenbacks sounds...
I love what you said about Greenbacks. I love them. I have an ENGL 4x12 with Greenbacks and it's my go-to/favorite cab!
I just ordered one from watching your episode, let’s hope it’s as good as you say!
When I needed a new cab for my band rehearsals, I didn't opt for Mesa, Marshall, HB, or Zilla. Instead, I ordered a custom-made horizontal 2x12. It cost about $110 for the cab without speakers. It has almost the same specifications as the MB 2x12, and no, there’s no 'MDF inside.' Then, I began experimenting with different speakers. The best combination, to my ears, was the Eminence DV-77 paired with the Swamp Thang. I achieved my unique sound for a little less than $500 (Eminence is expensive, after all). Since it was custom-made, there was no fancy logo on the front. I used a cheap 3D pen to add my own name to it! Now, I have a one-of-a-kind cab - both visually and sonically!
So, listen to Uncle Glenn and put some effort into chasing your own tone! It’s f***ing worth it!
The B rig is the Happy Cab. I can hear the tonewood in the MDF.
I'm a bass player, I don't even need the sound on to hear the difference!
Keep up the good work and FYG!
I liked both mixes. The only reason I thought the A clip is the HB cab/6505+ is the high end. New speakers are typically brighter in my experience . Other than that, I’d use either rig and enjoy the hell out of it.
Avatar Cabinets make some pretty sweet cabs especially the used ones. I myself am a fan of the Eminence Legends V12 that came in my Vader 2x12.
“It sounds like this, EHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH” What a bit, I love it!! 😂😂😂
I bought a Boogie 50 Cal + combo around 1989. Got it for $600 at the time brand new which was a deal. But I also loved the 2X12 cab that was paired with the head. It sounded amazing. But I got the combo because I just didn't want to move as much stuff around when I gigged, and I don't regret it. That combo served me well for years.
just got a Marshall ST 2x12 with creambacks recently.. they been working nicely for heavy tones,, Using evh 5153 6l6 PRS MT15 DSL 20, Was using matching evh matching 2x12 and orange ppc112, Been a great change in tones
An e906 was the first cab mic I bought, and I never regretted that purchase. SM57 is super nice, but if I could only have one, it would definitely be the Sennheiser.
Both rigs sound great to me, hard to say which is which. I think Rig A had a brighter, more present sound while Rig B was slightly darker. I think in the mix they both sound great and I have no clue which is which, but I'll make a guess for fun. Rig A is the "cheap" one and Rig B is the "expensive" tone snob approved one. Love your videos Glen, thank you for breaking things down in an easy to understand way for us mere mortals, you rock!
The Metal Lord riff is dope! Also I liked the warmth of B . Both sounded awesome tho
I’ve got a V30 loaded Traynor 2x12 at home. After watching this I’ve decided to open it up so I can take a look so I can later swap the speakers (probably some Mojotones like in the Lexrst amps). Wish me luck.
I run a 2x12 with g12h Creamback 75s and they are my fav speaker right now. I use a dual rectifier head through it and it’s awesome
He Glenn! My dad is a customs broker so I might have some knowledge that might help. Canada and Europe have the CETA (Canada Europe trade agreement). Essentially certain items that qualify for CETA = no duties. Either someone screwed up and forgot to apply for it when shipping or certain changes to the cabinet make it no longer eligible for CETA but that's out of my area of expertise but might be worth checking with harley benton (think thoman is their distributer) to find out what happened and to see if they could fix it.
My apologies Glenn, even though I've been watching you for years, I just now realize that I haven't subbed your channel with this particular account.
You're videos are getting better and better. Let's get that 1 mil, half way there brother.
Thank you so much!
The snippet from "life of Brian" completely cracked me!😅😅😅
Love the e906 for live shows with small stages
Hey glenn! Been watching since you started stupid musician texts a long time ago. I have to say that I like the newer style of videos with the funny little edits here and there. I've always liked your videos, but they're just that much more entertaining lol. Best of luck brother!
They both sounded great! I think A is the Peavey and HB cab
Gonna take a guess and say that A is the peavey head and greenbacks. I’ve been watching Adam Steel’s 6 hour special on speakers so let’s see if I’m better trained or if it’s back to the drawing board
Another great vid Glenn. Against the grain thinking, I love it. Individuality has lost its meaning in the metal world. Keep it up man. Happy Holidays and have a great Christmas. Cheers!!!!
Doesn't help that when metal bands actually try something new the idiot "fans" label it as bad and/or non-metal. Mind you, both are occasionally true, but metalheads are fucking embarrassing sometimes.
Example: Evolve by Chelsea Grin and The black crown by Suicide Silence. While both are now regarded as fine if not good, they were thrashed when they came out. Dare add cleans/nu metal influences? Sucks. Except it was one of the few times deathcore actually sounded unique
For an earlier example, Projector by Dark Tranquillity. Possibly the best album in their discography, and it was torn to pieces when it came out because, repeat after me, they added synths and clean vocals. For a genre that once prided itself on its innovativeness, metal has become so stagnant and conservative
Killer video, I think Mix A was the benton cab, both clips sounded wicked though🙌💜🙌
What kind of guitar is that grey V shape with the single humbucker?
I made my own cabinet with a V30 and a 65 Creamback and it sounds amazing for all genres. It's nice because I'm not a fan of the speaker distortion you get with a 25W greenback at higher volumes.
I definitely liked A better, sounded super clear and present! Great vid, as always!
I started looking for the reveal video, then realized this is a new vid... The wait begins.